| rick_h__ | snap-l: heh, oh well | 00:11 |
|---|---|---|
| greg-g | ugh, the infrastructure for this Team Reporting stuff is cumbersome... *grumbles as he gets back to work on it* | 00:25 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I take it you're playing with the wiki. ;) | 01:05 |
| greg-g | indeed, a bit | 01:14 |
| * greg-g grumbles | 01:15 | |
| greg-g | ok, sent to the list the instructions on how to help. Man that was a pain setting that all up | 01:25 |
| greg-g | click edit.. wait... type type type... click preview.. wait....... click save.. wait............................ INTERNAL SERVER ERROR! | 01:25 |
| snap-l | yeah, I saw a few server errors while looking at the diffs | 01:26 |
| greg-g | ok, now to the other work I should do tonight | 01:27 |
| rick_h__ | man, why does tornado always seem half baked whenever I go look into it | 01:28 |
| greg-g | oh yeah, I/we should add the CHC/Ubuntu Hours to the reports | 01:41 |
| greg-g | dangit, forgot the link on that last tweet/dent | 01:47 |
| snap-l | Man, when rick_h__ and I get to talkin', we really talk. :) | 02:09 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: heh, yea I told you we were bad | 02:09 |
| snap-l | With music, the show is just shy of an hour | 02:11 |
| rick_h__ | heh, good job. I didn't think we'd come in under an hour | 02:11 |
| snap-l | Call it the "extreme blabbermouth edition". | 02:12 |
| ukonvasara | what is everyone's opinion of Unity in 11.04? | 02:30 |
| snap-l | I like it | 02:30 |
| ukonvasara | I like what they did with it but it doesn't seem to be as customizable to me | 02:31 |
| ukonvasara | I would have rather seen them go with Gnome-shell | 02:32 |
| snap-l | Different goals, overall | 02:33 |
| greg-g | ukonvasara: I think it'll be interesting to see how things pan out over the next year. Really, it is an exciting time! | 02:33 |
| snap-l | GNOME Shell was about GNOME 3, while UNITY was trying to extend the life of GNOME 2 while at the same time removing a lot of the crufty build-up | 02:33 |
| ukonvasara | snap-l good point | 02:34 |
| ukonvasara | I am not abandoning Unity all together but it did make me look more into KDE | 02:35 |
| ukonvasara | ^since Gnome-shell does not work right with 11.04 | 02:35 |
| jjesse_ | anyone got any links, books or a guide for learning soalris? | 03:15 |
| snap-l | jjesse_: Cyanide capsules? | 03:44 |
| Blazeix | Step 1) Assume linux knowledge will transfer. Step 2) Actually use a solaris system. Step 3) Get frustrated and defenestrate it. | 03:59 |
| snap-l | Step 4) See if there's money in the budget to replace all of the Solaris boxes with Linux machines. | 03:59 |
| snap-l | Note that steps 3 and 4 are not the same. ;) | 04:00 |
| snap-l | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/208718 <- Yay, this bug hit the statute of limitations! | 04:21 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: :( on that tweet there man | 12:55 |
| rick_h__ | need a radar alarm system | 12:55 |
| greg-g | rick_h__: no kidding, or just be better about checking the radar first thing when I wake up :/ | 12:56 |
| brousch | a smell a new mobile app | 12:56 |
| greg-g | yeah, the only setting is "What is the minimum time needed to bike home?" 15, 30, 45, 1hr | 12:57 |
| greg-g | then an alarm goes off when it detects rain coming you way within that time | 12:57 |
| brousch | the "detecting rain at your location is the hard part" | 12:59 |
| greg-g | indeed | 12:59 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: bah, image collision detection based on weather maps, that's easy stuff | 13:07 |
| rick_h__ | gamers do it all the time | 13:07 |
| brousch | perhaps, but how do you do it for an hour into the future? | 13:08 |
| rick_h__ | start out by cheating, mapping 'usual' movement patterns for a location | 13:10 |
| rick_h__ | for instance, around here storms tend to travel straight w-e | 13:10 |
| rick_h__ | other places it'd probably be more N-S or something | 13:10 |
| greg-g | it would definitely be a fun learning project | 13:10 |
| greg-g | you'd basically be doing what meteorologists did 10 years ago on supercomputers :) | 13:11 |
| brousch | hyperlocal weather forecasts | 13:11 |
| rick_h__ | yea | 13:11 |
| rick_h__ | but you'd only have to do it for locations people are actually at/using the app | 13:11 |
| * greg-g nods | 13:11 | |
| rick_h__ | which is a bit intersting | 13:11 |
| greg-g | brousch: get on it! :) | 13:12 |
| rick_h__ | ok, let's go get some funding, head to techrunch disrupt | 13:12 |
| brousch | too much math for me | 13:12 |
| greg-g | I could probably pseudocode the math for ya ;) | 13:12 |
| brousch | i think we'll need nate oostendorp to parse the radar images for us | 13:14 |
| rick_h__ | now we just need to figure out how to make it more mass market | 13:14 |
| rick_h__ | not sure we're going to get $$ selling a mobile app to bikers :P | 13:14 |
| brousch | why not? they have tons of spare cash due to not buying gas | 13:15 |
| rick_h__ | I hear some don't even have smart phones | 13:15 |
| brousch | but really, such an app would have a huge userbase | 13:15 |
| brousch | any outdoor venue or event | 13:15 |
| rick_h__ | only an hour out? | 13:16 |
| snap-l | And that's when you learn the intricasies of radar imaging. ;) | 13:16 |
| rick_h__ | I think they hit up good old weather reporting | 13:16 |
| brousch | hm, should i head for the golf course now? | 13:16 |
| brousch | do i need an umbrella for the baseball game? | 13:17 |
| snap-l | Just because there's a pixel over your location doesn't mean you have rain there, and vice versa. | 13:17 |
| greg-g | rick_h__: :P | 13:18 |
| brousch | snap-l: i imagine we'd take animated radar images and project their path an hour into the future, then compare that with the location in question | 13:18 |
| greg-g | (re: the not having smart phones) | 13:18 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: :) | 13:18 |
| brousch | so now we need an sms alert? | 13:18 |
| snap-l | brousch: Also need to take into account bird flocking patterns that distrupt radar | 13:18 |
| snap-l | and give some very interesting images | 13:18 |
| snap-l | We need to simplify the problem | 13:19 |
| brousch | if someone had the time and inclination to tackle this, i think they could make money | 13:19 |
| snap-l | Just send a SMS message to greg-g every 5 minutes asking him if he's checked the weather | 13:19 |
| brousch | i don't think he'll pay for that | 13:21 |
| greg-g | I would cancel my cellphone service | 13:22 |
| brousch | and buy a smartphone? | 13:24 |
| greg-g | yeah yeah, I'll do that someday, don't push :) | 13:25 |
| brousch | if you aren't willing to pay $70/mo for a smartphone, how can we expect you to pay $5/mo for hyperlocalweatheralerts? | 13:28 |
| greg-g | if I didn't have to pay $70/mo for a smartphone data plan, I'd be more likely to spend $5 on a hyperlocalweatheralertawesomesaucesystem | 13:29 |
| _stink_ | that's version 2 | 13:31 |
| brousch | https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mtn | 13:33 |
| rick_h__ | and like all good ideas... | 13:34 |
| rick_h__ | traffic, that one was a winner idea | 13:34 |
| rick_h__ | there's your non-biker segment | 13:34 |
| brousch | thugh it's not clear if they just send alerts for thunderstorms and such | 13:34 |
| brousch | greg-g needs to know if it's going to sprinkle so he can put on his galoshes | 13:35 |
| greg-g | lol "$4.99 Per Year Crushing the competitors services that only work in 1 Zipcode!" from https://market.android.com/details?id=com.torwarn.app | 13:35 |
| brousch | i think that one only does severe weather | 13:36 |
| brousch | we can still own this market | 13:38 |
| greg-g | I think there is something miss, yeah. | 13:39 |
| brousch | personally, i use weatherbug which has an hourly forecast based on my location | 13:40 |
| brousch | city local | 13:40 |
| brousch | but it has radar and even local webcams | 13:41 |
| greg-g | oh yeah! weatherbug! that is still around? I remember than from 2000 | 13:41 |
| brousch | i hated it and banned it on work pcs, but it's really nice on android | 13:42 |
| rick_h__ | and they were one of the apps marked as uploading phone and device info to sell to advertisors | 13:44 |
| brousch | heh | 13:44 |
| brousch | nothing's free! | 13:44 |
| greg-g | "no such thing as a free lunch" man I hate that idiom | 13:44 |
| brousch | oh man, even greg-g is being replaced by robots http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/24/2232224/Robots-Retrieve-Your-Books-At-U-Chicagos-81-Million-Library | 13:47 |
| greg-g | :P | 13:47 |
| greg-g | not me, no robot can do what I do, yet. | 13:47 |
| brousch | isn't that what librarians do? ;) | 13:48 |
| wolfger | I thought they just shushed you.... | 13:49 |
| rick_h__ | reminder CHC tonight everyone, long 3 hr edition, see you at 7pm Blazeix snap-l _stink_ widox | 13:51 |
| snap-l | Thanks! | 14:06 |
| snap-l | Well, I think I'm going to rewrite Piddlepodder (my podcatcher) in Python | 14:08 |
| snap-l | Miro is starting to annoy me with their ads. | 14:09 |
| brousch | but but, miro syncs to android! | 14:09 |
| snap-l | And the Perl code is pretty hairy | 14:09 |
| snap-l | And I need a little knock-around project or I'll go insane. ;) | 14:10 |
| brousch | bookie? | 14:10 |
| brousch | you also have lococast and omc | 14:10 |
| brousch | can someone running natty try something for me? | 14:13 |
| brousch | go to http://pbskids.com/ and try to click on one of the games | 14:13 |
| greg-g | so, the flash in Fx4 on Maverick completely hates that site (I can't see anything, even though all the flash content "loads") | 14:16 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yeah, those are cooking along. But I need something that'll give me an excuse to do more with sqlalchemy that isn't already rolling | 14:17 |
| brousch | greg-g: thanks, it was mostly broken for me too | 14:17 |
| brousch | my kid killed the old macbook he was using, so i hooked him up with ubuntu. he was very disappointed | 14:18 |
| snap-l | lucid flash is working (at least I could get the collection jar to do something useful) | 14:18 |
| brousch | on the upside, xubuntu natty looks really nice | 14:18 |
| brousch | maybe i'll drop it back to lts then | 14:18 |
| snap-l | Here comes the rain | 14:48 |
| snap-l | greg-g: alert alert | 14:48 |
| greg-g | snap-l: lol, thanks buddy! | 14:49 |
| snap-l | And there's a tornado warning west of us | 14:54 |
| _stink_ | RAPTURE | 14:54 |
| snap-l | Sadly, the NOAA has not issued a rapture watch for our counties. | 14:55 |
| snap-l | I mean tornado watch south-west of us | 14:55 |
| _stink_ | that's because no one will know the day or time. | 14:55 |
| jrwren | snap-l: now I have anie lenox in my head | 15:08 |
| jrwren | or eurithmics. | 15:09 |
| jrwren | here comes the rain again... | 15:09 |
| wolfger | falling on your head like a DDR3? | 15:13 |
| wolfger | falling on your head like a new e-Motion (I'm sure that's got to be an actual product name somewhere....) | 15:14 |
| snap-l | jrwren: That wasn't my intention, but thanks for sharing. | 15:25 |
| snap-l | Now I have it stuck in my head | 15:25 |
| snap-l | Isn't an ear-worm like a cold? (You can't get rid of it until you give it to someone else) | 15:26 |
| jrwren | how do ya'll manage your vim PWD ? | 15:29 |
| jrwren | e.g. if you pop between projects do you start a new vim instance or do you cd in vim to the new project? How do you mix this with using vim --remote to send files to your existing vim instance? | 15:30 |
| rick_h__ | I use workit to jump into my virtualenv/project path, auto source my virtualenv | 15:30 |
| rick_h__ | and then I use gv to start my vim window | 15:30 |
| jrwren | i feel like maybe I wish there were a way to tell vim about a project root | 15:30 |
| rick_h__ | which uses the local python | 15:30 |
| rick_h__ | the workit command auto dumps me into the project root | 15:30 |
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| jrwren | gv? gvim? gv to me is ghostview | 15:30 |
| rick_h__ | and I open up nerdtree so everything is done from the project root | 15:31 |
| rick_h__ | helps with fabfile, etc as well | 15:31 |
| rick_h__ | https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L350 use that then so that each window is rooted to it's location | 15:31 |
| rick_h__ | makes things like :!git add % and such easy | 15:31 |
| jrwren | zomg #Lnnn i had no idea... github FTW | 15:32 |
| jrwren | oh yes, I think I like that. | 15:32 |
| jrwren | ty rick_h__ | 15:35 |
| rick_h__ | np | 15:35 |
| jrwren | how do you intergrate with system clipboard or do you really "+gP to paste if you have copied from web for example | 15:41 |
| jrwren | i'm thinking of using ctrl-v to "paste" since ctrl-shift-v is also visual block mode | 15:42 |
| rick_h__ | no, I have ,y and ,p | 15:43 |
| rick_h__ | as my yank/paste from clipboards | 15:43 |
| rick_h__ | ctrl-v is too powerful for column visual mode | 15:43 |
| rick_h__ | I use that a ton | 15:43 |
| rick_h__ | fixing indenting, quick replaces, etc | 15:43 |
| jrwren | i like those. | 15:43 |
| jrwren | I'll use those :) | 15:43 |
| jrwren | I'm all for customization, but its too bad vim doesn't have a lot of things like this as default | 15:44 |
| jrwren | a great default that is also customizable would be better than no default IMO | 15:44 |
| jrwren | or I guess a bad default in this case with '+gP | 15:44 |
| jrwren | see, I even typed it wrong there... ' v. " | 15:44 |
| snap-l | Well, worse is that CTRL-V doesn't behave the same on Linux as it does under Windows | 15:51 |
| snap-l | CTRL-V is column visual mode, but under Windows, it's paste | 15:51 |
| snap-l | drives me insane | 15:51 |
| snap-l | Well, not insane, but to the insane district, with plenty of shops and free parking. | 15:52 |
| jrwren | just found ctrl-6 in vim... i'm forever n00b | 16:22 |
| jrwren | snap-l: ctrl-v is block visual for me in wondows. | 16:22 |
| jrwren | are you running easy mode or something? | 16:22 |
| Blazeix | snap-l: I think the default gvim on windows ships with windows compatibility, which does the ctrl+v funkiness | 16:44 |
| Blazeix | if you turn that off in your __vimrc, ctrl+v is visual mode. | 16:44 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: Ah, OK. Thank you. :) | 16:52 |
| snap-l | I need to copy over my .vimrc over to Windows, but haven't done so | 16:53 |
| snap-l | mostly because I rarely use vim under Windows (rarely use Windows for anything other than e-mail and non-dev work foo) | 16:53 |
| jrwren | anyone know how i can show older releases on this page? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2 | 16:56 |
| snap-l | like 2.0 or 1.3? | 16:58 |
| rick_h__ | where's waldo when you need him: http://jessenoller.com/2011/05/25/pycon-everybody-pays/ | 16:59 |
| jrwren | no, like karmic | 17:15 |
| Blazeix | jrwren: like this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/apache2 | 17:18 |
| greg-g | warning, rain is imminent. leave soon or you will get wet. | 17:22 |
| * wolfger leaves work, tells boss greg-g said so. | 17:23 | |
| jrwren | Blazeix: yes, like that, but I didn't see that link on that page. | 17:26 |
| jrwren | I had to click a newer release and replace the version with "karmic" | 17:26 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It was near the bottom of the page you linked. | 17:44 |
| snap-l | Er, not for karmic, though | 17:44 |
| snap-l | Karmic isn't supported anymore. | 17:44 |
| jrwren | right, yet the karmic lp page still exists... but how would I find it? | 18:02 |
| snap-l | I think that's the idea; they don't want you to easily find it. ;) | 18:12 |
| snap-l | because it's not supported. | 18:12 |
| greg-g | warning, it is now too late to leave, you are already wet. Now you must wait X hours | 18:14 |
| snap-l | My back yard is a swamp | 18:14 |
| snap-l | Sump pump is working, but the ground is super-saturated. | 18:14 |
| greg-g | crazy thunder here, and it just started to downpour again | 18:14 |
| greg-g | snap-l: you are subscribed to all wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/* pages right? Have you seen any edits on the team reports? I don't know if I am also subscribed in the same way | 18:19 |
| snap-l | Haven't paid close attention, but I've seen some wiki edits fly by | 18:19 |
| brousch | greg-g: i saw some mentions of me on those pages from google alert | 18:22 |
| greg-g | brousch: :) yeah, I liked to your blog posts | 18:23 |
| greg-g | linked* | 18:23 |
| brousch | google alert was right on top of it | 18:24 |
| greg-g | cool, I find that my tweets are found days later, while my dents are found almost instantly by GoogAlerts | 18:25 |
| brousch | well there's only like 1 new dent/second while there are millions of tweets to sort through | 18:26 |
| greg-g | brousch: bah! :P I've also discovered by tweeter's search doesn't pick up my tweets. Like if you did a hashtag search, I don't show up. THEY'RE CENSORING ME! | 18:28 |
| brousch | probably | 18:30 |
| brousch | greg-g: oh geez, supposed to fill out team reports every month? | 18:50 |
| greg-g | brousch: yeah | 18:52 |
| greg-g | *exactly* | 18:52 |
| greg-g | hopefully the work to streamline the process will get somewhere now | 18:53 |
| snap-l | I hope to God there's a streamlining approach | 18:57 |
| snap-l | because the wikis are frankly a pain in the ass | 18:57 |
| snap-l | Something like attaching to a team meeting or event would be handy. | 18:57 |
| greg-g | you know, we have this handy new system that plans and even records events, the LoCo Directory. I htink the reporting should be dang near automatic from that | 18:58 |
| snap-l | ding ding ding ding | 18:58 |
| snap-l | Drives me batty when people ask for reports that can easily be tied to another system. | 18:59 |
| * greg-g nods | 19:01 | |
| snap-l | http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/05/25/seeeduino-adk/ | 19:19 |
| snap-l | I think I just squee'd a bit | 19:19 |
| brousch | ew | 19:20 |
| Blazeix | jrwren: I got to that page by clicking 'full publishing history,' then I clicked 'karmic' | 19:26 |
| Blazeix | it's sort of coming at it sidewise, though | 19:26 |
| snap-l | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-gnome-3-is-besting-ubuntu-unity/2551 | 19:33 |
| snap-l | I'm downloading Fedora to give it the ol' test in a VM | 19:34 |
| snap-l | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/fedora-15-alpha-wont-install-inside-virtualbox-4-0-4-a-869879/ <- Wow, and we say some people in Ubuntu are caustic | 19:35 |
| _stink_ | yikes | 19:38 |
| _stink_ | the guy is from Ann Arbor, too | 19:38 |
| _stink_ | i thought everyone in Ann Arbor was a kindly tree-hugger | 19:41 |
| brousch | there is a small ring of gun-toting, meat-eating, angry, michigan militia type | 19:45 |
| brousch | they are even grumpier than most because they're surrounded by hippies | 19:45 |
| _stink_ | poor guys, yeah | 19:46 |
| brousch | amazon app atore is pretty nice | 19:46 |
| brousch | store | 19:46 |
| brousch | i'm going to try a cat in the hat app and super why | 19:46 |
| jrwren | Blazeix: I couldn't find the full publishing history link. | 19:47 |
| jrwren | wow... John VV is a d.b. | 19:48 |
| jrwren | i think an even better question is... why do people use linuxquestions.com :) | 19:48 |
| jrwren | brousch: meat eating??? dude... AA is full of meat eaters. | 19:49 |
| jrwren | the farmers market sells local grown hippie meat. | 19:49 |
| jrwren | does greg-g eat meat? if he does... well... i bet he'd love some farmers market meat. | 19:49 |
| TeamXlink | http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/sys/2359079690.html Is this worthwhile? | 20:01 |
| _stink_ | $20 is too much imo | 20:01 |
| TeamXlink | Really | 20:01 |
| _stink_ | i guess it depends on how much you 'need' it. | 20:02 |
| TeamXlink | It looks like it comes with with the motherboard, I'm emailing the poster too see what type it is. | 20:02 |
| _stink_ | in that case, maybe. | 20:03 |
| TeamXlink | From the picutre, it looks like it has 4-6 ram slots and some pci slots, maybe agp. | 20:04 |
| TeamXlink | I'm not sure. | 20:04 |
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| TeamXlink | The case looks like a standard ATX case, which I should be able to use if/when I build a new/another pc. | 20:05 |
| jrwren | rick_h__: so the lcd with the buf change, does that read a tags file? what if your tags file is a few dirs up? or do you manually load tags? | 20:07 |
| jrwren | +1 does not look worth $20, but you can be nice and take it from him for free and then recycle it instead of letting it go to landfill, or repurpose the case | 20:08 |
| rick_h__ | jrwren: so two partst | 20:10 |
| rick_h__ | https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L157 | 20:10 |
| rick_h__ | and then to keep my tags up to date, I auto run the ctags command as part of workit | 20:10 |
| rick_h__ | so whenever I start on a project, it reruns tags on that project | 20:10 |
| snap-l | sip:snapl@iptel.org | 20:12 |
| jrwren | yeah, I'm fine with rerunning ctags | 20:12 |
| rick_h__ | but yea, that line in my .vimrc says to hit up parent dirs | 20:12 |
| snap-l | Playing with sip clients, and actually have them working | 20:12 |
| jrwren | holy shit... it will search parents for tags??? HOT!!! | 20:12 |
| snap-l | apparently something changed. | 20:12 |
| rick_h__ | jrwren: yea, I keep all my tag files in the project root | 20:13 |
| jrwren | me too | 20:13 |
| brousch | ok, i'm trying to use my first amazon ec2 instance, and i can't figure out how to connect | 21:24 |
| brousch | i have a keypair, and the instance has an ip address | 21:24 |
| brousch | it is aparently running | 21:24 |
| krondor | brousch: did you configure your security group | 21:26 |
| brousch | it gave me a group | 21:26 |
| brousch | default group | 21:27 |
| krondor | did you give it an elastic ip | 21:29 |
| brousch | yeah | 21:29 |
| brousch | is there a firewall blocking ssh maybe? | 21:29 |
| krondor | you confirmed your security group has 22 tcp and 0.0.0.0/0 sourceefined | 21:29 |
| krondor | source defined that is | 21:29 |
| krondor | can't hurt to allow your outbound as well | 21:31 |
| brousch | i added port 22, no change | 21:33 |
| brousch | wait, ubuntu doesn't come with openssh-server installed | 21:35 |
| brousch | how do i install it? | 21:35 |
| brousch | bah, fuckme | 21:37 |
| brousch | i was using the wrong ip address | 21:37 |
| brousch | i'm in now | 21:37 |
| krondor | :) | 21:38 |
| snap-l | flood warnings for Macomb and Wayne | 21:48 |
| snap-l | be careful out there, everyone | 21:48 |
| _stink_ | yeah, 696 closed at least one way (Westbound, i think) at Greenfield | 21:52 |
| brousch | this is fun | 21:53 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Vn1C7eUzA | 22:36 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_g8VBhwBw | 22:39 |
| widox | should be a fun drive to CHC, woohoo | 22:44 |
| snap-l | http://coderwall.com/lmorchard | 22:47 |
| snap-l | widox: Yeah, I'm wondering if I should borrow my parents canoe. | 22:47 |
| snap-l | http://coderwall.com/mitechie | 22:54 |
| snap-l | Interesting. :) | 22:54 |
| snap-l | I think this will be more successful than Ohloh was. | 22:54 |
| greg-g | snap-l: except, the whole bound to github thing :) | 23:11 |
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