[00:11] <rick_h__> snap-l: heh, oh well
[00:25] <greg-g> ugh, the infrastructure for this Team Reporting stuff is cumbersome... *grumbles as he gets back to work on it*
[01:05] <snap-l> greg-g: I take it you're playing with the wiki. ;)
[01:14] <greg-g> indeed, a bit
[01:15]  * greg-g grumbles
[01:25] <greg-g> ok, sent to the list the instructions on how to help. Man that was a pain setting that all up
[01:25] <greg-g> click edit.. wait... type type type... click preview.. wait....... click save.. wait............................ INTERNAL SERVER ERROR!
[01:26] <snap-l> yeah, I saw a few server errors while looking at the diffs
[01:27] <greg-g> ok, now to the other work I should do tonight
[01:28] <rick_h__> man, why does tornado always seem half baked whenever I go look into it
[01:41] <greg-g> oh yeah, I/we should add the CHC/Ubuntu Hours to the reports
[01:47] <greg-g> dangit, forgot the link on that last tweet/dent
[02:09] <snap-l> Man, when rick_h__ and I get to talkin', we really talk. :)
[02:09] <rick_h__> snap-l: heh, yea I told you we were bad
[02:11] <snap-l> With music, the show is just shy of an hour
[02:11] <rick_h__> heh, good job. I didn't think we'd come in under an hour
[02:12] <snap-l> Call it the "extreme blabbermouth edition".
[02:30] <ukonvasara> what is everyone's opinion of Unity in 11.04?
[02:30] <snap-l> I like it
[02:31] <ukonvasara> I like what they did with it but it doesn't seem to be as customizable to me
[02:32] <ukonvasara> I would have rather seen them go with Gnome-shell
[02:33] <snap-l> Different goals, overall
[02:33] <greg-g> ukonvasara: I think it'll be interesting to see how things pan out over the next year. Really, it is an exciting time!
[02:33] <snap-l> GNOME Shell was about GNOME 3, while UNITY was trying to extend the life of GNOME 2 while at the same time removing a lot of the crufty build-up
[02:34] <ukonvasara> snap-l good point
[02:35] <ukonvasara> I am not abandoning Unity all together but it did make me look more into KDE
[02:35] <ukonvasara> ^since Gnome-shell does not work right with 11.04
[03:15] <jjesse_> anyone got any links, books or a guide for learning soalris?
[03:44] <snap-l> jjesse_: Cyanide capsules?
[03:59] <Blazeix> Step 1) Assume linux knowledge will transfer. Step 2) Actually use a solaris system. Step 3) Get frustrated and defenestrate it.
[03:59] <snap-l> Step 4) See if there's money in the budget to replace all of the Solaris boxes with Linux machines.
[04:00] <snap-l> Note that steps 3 and 4 are not the same. ;)
[04:21] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/208718 <- Yay, this bug hit the statute of limitations!
[12:55] <rick_h__> greg-g: :( on that tweet there man
[12:55] <rick_h__> need a radar alarm system
[12:56] <greg-g> rick_h__: no kidding, or just be better about checking the radar first thing when I wake up :/
[12:56] <brousch> a smell a new mobile app
[12:57] <greg-g> yeah, the only setting is "What is the minimum time needed to bike home?" 15, 30, 45, 1hr
[12:57] <greg-g> then an alarm goes off when it detects rain coming you way within that time
[12:59] <brousch> the "detecting rain at your location is the hard part"
[12:59] <greg-g> indeed
[13:07] <rick_h__> brousch: bah, image collision detection based on weather maps, that's easy stuff
[13:07] <rick_h__> gamers do it all the time
[13:08] <brousch> perhaps, but how do you do it for an hour into the future?
[13:10] <rick_h__> start out by cheating, mapping 'usual' movement patterns for a location
[13:10] <rick_h__> for instance, around here storms tend to travel straight w-e
[13:10] <rick_h__> other places it'd probably be more N-S or something
[13:10] <greg-g> it would definitely be a fun learning project
[13:11] <greg-g> you'd basically be doing what meteorologists did 10 years ago on supercomputers :)
[13:11] <brousch> hyperlocal weather forecasts
[13:11] <rick_h__> yea
[13:11] <rick_h__> but you'd only have to do it for locations people are actually at/using the app
[13:11]  * greg-g nods
[13:11] <rick_h__> which is a bit intersting
[13:12] <greg-g> brousch: get on it! :)
[13:12] <rick_h__> ok, let's go get some funding, head to techrunch disrupt
[13:12] <brousch> too much math for me
[13:12] <greg-g> I could probably pseudocode the math for ya ;)
[13:14] <brousch> i think we'll need nate oostendorp to parse the radar images for us
[13:14] <rick_h__> now we just need to figure out how to make it more mass market
[13:14] <rick_h__> not sure we're going to get $$ selling a mobile app to bikers :P
[13:15] <brousch> why not? they have tons of spare cash due to not buying gas
[13:15] <rick_h__> I hear some don't even have smart phones
[13:15] <brousch> but really, such an app would have a huge userbase
[13:15] <brousch> any outdoor venue or event
[13:16] <rick_h__> only an hour out?
[13:16] <snap-l> And that's when you learn the intricasies of radar imaging. ;)
[13:16] <rick_h__> I think they hit up good old weather reporting
[13:16] <brousch> hm, should i head for the golf course now?
[13:17] <brousch> do i need an umbrella for the baseball game?
[13:17] <snap-l> Just because there's a pixel over your location doesn't mean you have rain there, and vice versa.
[13:18] <greg-g> rick_h__: :P
[13:18] <brousch> snap-l: i imagine we'd take animated radar images and project their path an hour into the future, then compare that with the location in question
[13:18] <greg-g> (re: the not having smart phones)
[13:18] <rick_h__> greg-g: :)
[13:18] <brousch> so now we need an sms alert?
[13:18] <snap-l> brousch: Also need to take into account bird flocking patterns that distrupt radar
[13:18] <snap-l> and give some very interesting images
[13:19] <snap-l> We need to simplify the problem
[13:19] <brousch> if someone had the time and inclination to tackle this, i think they could make money
[13:19] <snap-l> Just send a SMS message to greg-g every 5 minutes asking him if he's checked the weather
[13:21] <brousch> i don't think he'll pay for that
[13:22] <greg-g> I would cancel my cellphone service
[13:24] <brousch> and buy  a smartphone?
[13:25] <greg-g> yeah yeah, I'll do that someday, don't push :)
[13:28] <brousch> if you aren't willing to pay $70/mo for a smartphone, how can we expect you to pay $5/mo for hyperlocalweatheralerts?
[13:29] <greg-g> if I didn't have to pay $70/mo for a smartphone data plan, I'd be more likely to spend $5 on a hyperlocalweatheralertawesomesaucesystem
[13:31] <_stink_> that's version 2
[13:33] <brousch> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mtn
[13:34] <rick_h__> and like all good ideas...
[13:34] <rick_h__> traffic, that one was a winner idea
[13:34] <rick_h__> there's your non-biker segment
[13:34] <brousch> thugh it's not clear if they just send alerts for thunderstorms and such
[13:35] <brousch> greg-g needs to know if it's going to sprinkle so he can put on his galoshes
[13:35] <greg-g> lol "$4.99 Per Year Crushing the competitors services that only work in 1 Zipcode!" from https://market.android.com/details?id=com.torwarn.app
[13:36] <brousch> i think that one only does severe weather
[13:38] <brousch> we can still own this market
[13:39] <greg-g> I think there is something miss, yeah.
[13:40] <brousch> personally, i use weatherbug which has an hourly forecast based on my location
[13:40] <brousch> city local
[13:41] <brousch> but it has radar and even local webcams
[13:41] <greg-g> oh yeah! weatherbug! that is still around? I remember than from 2000
[13:42] <brousch> i hated it and banned it on work pcs, but it's really nice on android
[13:44] <rick_h__> and they were one of the apps marked as uploading phone and device info to sell to advertisors
[13:44] <brousch> heh
[13:44] <brousch> nothing's free!
[13:44] <greg-g> "no such thing as a free lunch" man I hate that idiom
[13:47] <brousch> oh man, even greg-g is being replaced by robots http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/24/2232224/Robots-Retrieve-Your-Books-At-U-Chicagos-81-Million-Library
[13:47] <greg-g> :P
[13:47] <greg-g> not me, no robot can do what I do, yet.
[13:48] <brousch> isn't that what librarians do? ;)
[13:49] <wolfger> I thought they just shushed you....
[13:51] <rick_h__> reminder CHC tonight everyone, long 3 hr edition, see you at 7pm Blazeix snap-l _stink_ widox
[14:06] <snap-l> Thanks!
[14:08] <snap-l> Well, I think I'm going to rewrite Piddlepodder (my podcatcher) in Python
[14:09] <snap-l> Miro is starting to annoy me with their ads.
[14:09] <brousch> but but, miro syncs to android!
[14:09] <snap-l> And the Perl code is pretty hairy
[14:10] <snap-l> And I need a little knock-around project or I'll go insane. ;)
[14:10] <brousch> bookie?
[14:10] <brousch> you also have lococast and omc
[14:13] <brousch> can someone running natty try something for me?
[14:13] <brousch> go to http://pbskids.com/ and try to click on one of the games
[14:16] <greg-g> so, the flash in Fx4 on Maverick completely hates that site (I can't see anything, even though all the flash content "loads")
[14:17] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, those are cooking along. But I need something that'll give me an excuse to do more with sqlalchemy that isn't already rolling
[14:17] <brousch> greg-g: thanks, it was mostly broken for me too
[14:18] <brousch> my kid killed the old macbook he was using, so i hooked him up with ubuntu. he was very disappointed
[14:18] <snap-l> lucid flash is working (at least I could get the collection jar to do something useful)
[14:18] <brousch> on the upside, xubuntu natty looks really nice
[14:18] <brousch> maybe i'll drop it back to lts then
[14:48] <snap-l> Here comes the rain
[14:48] <snap-l> greg-g: alert alert
[14:49] <greg-g> snap-l: lol, thanks buddy!
[14:54] <snap-l> And there's a tornado warning west of us
[14:54] <_stink_> RAPTURE
[14:55] <snap-l> Sadly, the NOAA has not issued a rapture watch for our counties.
[14:55] <snap-l> I mean tornado watch south-west of us
[14:55] <_stink_> that's because no one will know the day or time.
[15:08] <jrwren> snap-l: now I have anie lenox in my head
[15:09] <jrwren> or eurithmics.
[15:09] <jrwren> here comes the rain again...
[15:13] <wolfger> falling on your head like a DDR3?
[15:14] <wolfger> falling on your head like a new e-Motion (I'm sure that's got to be an actual product name somewhere....)
[15:25] <snap-l> jrwren: That wasn't my intention, but thanks for sharing.
[15:25] <snap-l> Now I have it stuck in my head
[15:26] <snap-l> Isn't an ear-worm like a cold? (You can't get rid of it until you give it to someone else)
[15:29] <jrwren> how do ya'll manage your vim PWD ?
[15:30] <jrwren> e.g. if you pop between projects do you start a new vim instance or do you cd in vim to the new project? How do you mix this with using vim --remote to send files to your existing vim instance?
[15:30] <rick_h__> I use workit to jump into my virtualenv/project path, auto source my virtualenv
[15:30] <rick_h__> and then I use gv to start my vim window
[15:30] <jrwren> i feel like maybe I wish there were a way to tell vim about a project root
[15:30] <rick_h__> which uses the local python
[15:30] <rick_h__> the workit command auto dumps me into the project root
[15:30] <jrwren> gv?  gvim?  gv to me is ghostview
[15:31] <rick_h__> and I open up nerdtree so everything is done from the project root
[15:31] <rick_h__> helps with fabfile, etc as well
[15:31] <rick_h__> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L350 use that then so that each window is rooted to it's location
[15:31] <rick_h__> makes things like :!git add % and such easy
[15:32] <jrwren> zomg #Lnnn  i had no idea... github FTW
[15:32] <jrwren> oh yes, I think I like that.
[15:35] <jrwren> ty rick_h__
[15:35] <rick_h__> np
[15:41] <jrwren> how do you intergrate with system clipboard or do you really "+gP to paste if you have copied from web for example
[15:42] <jrwren> i'm thinking of using ctrl-v to "paste" since ctrl-shift-v is also visual block mode
[15:43] <rick_h__> no, I have ,y and ,p
[15:43] <rick_h__> as my yank/paste from clipboards
[15:43] <rick_h__> ctrl-v is too powerful for column visual mode
[15:43] <rick_h__> I use that a ton
[15:43] <rick_h__> fixing indenting, quick replaces, etc
[15:43] <jrwren> i like those.
[15:43] <jrwren> I'll use those :)
[15:44] <jrwren> I'm all for customization, but its too bad vim doesn't have a lot of things like this as default
[15:44] <jrwren> a great default that is also customizable would be better than no default IMO
[15:44] <jrwren> or I guess a bad default in this case with '+gP
[15:44] <jrwren> see, I even typed it wrong there... ' v. "
[15:51] <snap-l> Well, worse is that CTRL-V doesn't behave the same on Linux as it does under Windows
[15:51] <snap-l> CTRL-V is column visual mode, but under Windows, it's paste
[15:51] <snap-l> drives me insane
[15:52] <snap-l> Well, not insane, but to the insane district, with plenty of shops and free parking.
[16:22] <jrwren> just found ctrl-6 in vim... i'm forever n00b
[16:22] <jrwren> snap-l: ctrl-v is block visual for me in wondows.
[16:22] <jrwren> are you running easy mode or something?
[16:44] <Blazeix> snap-l: I think the default gvim on windows ships with windows compatibility, which does the ctrl+v funkiness
[16:44] <Blazeix> if you turn that off in your __vimrc, ctrl+v is visual mode.
[16:52] <snap-l> Blazeix: Ah, OK. Thank you. :)
[16:53] <snap-l> I need to copy over my .vimrc over to Windows, but haven't done so
[16:53] <snap-l> mostly because I rarely use vim under Windows (rarely use Windows for anything other than e-mail and non-dev work foo)
[16:56] <jrwren> anyone know how i can show older releases on this page? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2
[16:58] <snap-l> like 2.0 or 1.3?
[16:59] <rick_h__> where's waldo when you need him: http://jessenoller.com/2011/05/25/pycon-everybody-pays/
[17:15] <jrwren> no, like karmic
[17:18] <Blazeix> jrwren: like this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/apache2
[17:22] <greg-g> warning, rain is imminent. leave soon or you will get wet.
[17:23]  * wolfger leaves work, tells boss greg-g said so.
[17:26] <jrwren> Blazeix: yes, like that, but I didn't see that link on that page.
[17:26] <jrwren> I had to click a newer release and replace the version with "karmic"
[17:44] <snap-l> jrwren: It was near the bottom of the page you linked.
[17:44] <snap-l> Er, not for karmic, though
[17:44] <snap-l> Karmic isn't supported anymore.
[18:02] <jrwren> right, yet the karmic lp page still exists... but how would I find it?
[18:12] <snap-l> I think that's the idea; they don't want you to easily find it. ;)
[18:12] <snap-l> because it's not supported.
[18:14] <greg-g> warning, it is now too late to leave, you are already wet. Now you must wait X hours
[18:14] <snap-l> My back yard is a swamp
[18:14] <snap-l> Sump pump is working, but the ground is super-saturated.
[18:14] <greg-g> crazy thunder here, and it just started to downpour again
[18:19] <greg-g> snap-l: you are subscribed to all wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/* pages right? Have you seen any edits on the team reports? I don't know if I am also subscribed in the same way
[18:19] <snap-l> Haven't paid close attention, but I've seen some wiki edits fly by
[18:22] <brousch> greg-g: i saw some mentions of me on those pages from google alert
[18:23] <greg-g> brousch: :) yeah, I liked to your blog posts
[18:23] <greg-g> linked*
[18:24] <brousch> google alert was right on top of it
[18:25] <greg-g> cool, I find that my tweets are found days later, while my dents are found almost instantly by GoogAlerts
[18:26] <brousch> well there's only like 1 new dent/second while there are millions of tweets to sort through
[18:28] <greg-g> brousch: bah! :P I've also discovered by tweeter's search doesn't pick up my tweets. Like if you did a hashtag search, I don't show up. THEY'RE CENSORING ME!
[18:30] <brousch> probably
[18:50] <brousch> greg-g: oh geez, supposed to fill out team reports every month?
[18:52] <greg-g> brousch: yeah
[18:52] <greg-g> *exactly*
[18:53] <greg-g> hopefully the work to streamline the process will get somewhere now
[18:57] <snap-l> I hope to God there's a streamlining approach
[18:57] <snap-l> because the wikis are frankly a pain in the ass
[18:57] <snap-l> Something like attaching to a team meeting or event would be handy.
[18:58] <greg-g> you know, we have this handy new system that plans and even records events, the LoCo Directory. I htink the reporting should be dang near automatic from that
[18:58] <snap-l> ding ding ding ding
[18:59] <snap-l> Drives me batty when people ask for reports that can easily be tied to another system.
[19:01]  * greg-g nods
[19:19] <snap-l> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/05/25/seeeduino-adk/
[19:19] <snap-l> I think I just squee'd a bit
[19:20] <brousch> ew
[19:26] <Blazeix> jrwren: I got to that page by clicking 'full publishing history,' then I clicked 'karmic'
[19:26] <Blazeix> it's sort of coming at it sidewise, though
[19:33] <snap-l> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-gnome-3-is-besting-ubuntu-unity/2551
[19:34] <snap-l> I'm downloading Fedora to give it the ol' test in a VM
[19:35] <snap-l> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/fedora-15-alpha-wont-install-inside-virtualbox-4-0-4-a-869879/ <- Wow, and we say some people in Ubuntu are caustic
[19:38] <_stink_> yikes
[19:38] <_stink_> the guy is from Ann Arbor, too
[19:41] <_stink_> i thought everyone in Ann Arbor was a kindly tree-hugger
[19:45] <brousch> there is a small ring of gun-toting, meat-eating, angry, michigan militia type
[19:45] <brousch> they are even grumpier than most because they're surrounded by hippies
[19:46] <_stink_> poor guys, yeah
[19:46] <brousch> amazon app atore is pretty nice
[19:46] <brousch> store
[19:46] <brousch> i'm going to try a cat in the hat app and super why
[19:47] <jrwren> Blazeix: I couldn't find the full publishing history link.
[19:48] <jrwren> wow... John VV is a d.b.
[19:48] <jrwren> i think an even better question is... why do people use linuxquestions.com :)
[19:49] <jrwren> brousch: meat eating??? dude... AA is full of meat eaters.
[19:49] <jrwren> the farmers market sells local grown hippie meat.
[19:49] <jrwren> does greg-g eat meat? if he does... well... i bet he'd love some farmers market meat.
[20:01] <TeamXlink> http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/sys/2359079690.html Is this worthwhile?
[20:01] <_stink_> $20 is too much imo
[20:01] <TeamXlink> Really
[20:02] <_stink_> i guess it depends on how much you 'need' it.
[20:02] <TeamXlink> It looks like it comes with with the motherboard, I'm emailing the poster too see what type it is.
[20:03] <_stink_> in that case, maybe.
[20:04] <TeamXlink> From the picutre, it looks like it has 4-6 ram slots and some pci slots, maybe agp.
[20:04] <TeamXlink> I'm not sure.
[20:05] <TeamXlink> The case looks like a standard ATX case, which I should be able to use if/when I build a new/another pc.
[20:07] <jrwren> rick_h__: so the lcd with the buf change, does that read a tags file? what if your tags file is a few dirs up? or do you manually load tags?
[20:08] <jrwren> +1 does not look worth $20, but you can be nice and take it from him for free and then recycle it instead of letting it go to landfill, or repurpose the case
[20:10] <rick_h__> jrwren: so two partst
[20:10] <rick_h__> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L157
[20:10] <rick_h__> and then to keep my tags up to date, I auto run the ctags command as part of workit
[20:10] <rick_h__> so whenever I start on a project, it reruns tags on that project
[20:12] <snap-l> sip:snapl@iptel.org
[20:12] <jrwren> yeah, I'm fine with rerunning ctags
[20:12] <rick_h__> but yea, that line in my .vimrc says to hit up parent dirs
[20:12] <snap-l> Playing with sip clients, and actually have them working
[20:12] <jrwren> holy shit... it will search parents for tags??? HOT!!!
[20:12] <snap-l> apparently something changed.
[20:13] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, I keep all my tag files in the project root
[20:13] <jrwren> me too
[21:24] <brousch> ok, i'm trying to use my first amazon ec2 instance, and i can't figure out how to connect
[21:24] <brousch> i have a keypair, and the instance has an ip address
[21:24] <brousch> it is aparently running
[21:26] <krondor> brousch:  did you configure your security group
[21:26] <brousch> it gave me a group
[21:27] <brousch> default group
[21:29] <krondor> did you give it an elastic ip
[21:29] <brousch> yeah
[21:29] <brousch> is there a firewall blocking ssh maybe?
[21:29] <krondor> you confirmed your security group has 22 tcp and 0.0.0.0/0 sourceefined
[21:29] <krondor> source defined that is
[21:31] <krondor> can't hurt to allow your outbound as well
[21:33] <brousch> i added port 22, no change
[21:35] <brousch> wait, ubuntu doesn't come with openssh-server installed
[21:35] <brousch> how do i install it?
[21:37] <brousch> bah, fuckme
[21:37] <brousch> i was using the wrong ip address
[21:37] <brousch> i'm in now
[21:38] <krondor> :)
[21:48] <snap-l> flood warnings for Macomb and Wayne
[21:48] <snap-l> be careful out there, everyone
[21:52] <_stink_> yeah, 696 closed at least one way (Westbound, i think) at Greenfield
[21:53] <brousch> this is fun
[22:36] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Vn1C7eUzA
[22:39] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_g8VBhwBw
[22:44] <widox> should be a fun drive to CHC, woohoo
[22:47] <snap-l> http://coderwall.com/lmorchard
[22:47] <snap-l> widox: Yeah, I'm wondering if I should borrow my parents canoe.
[22:54] <snap-l> http://coderwall.com/mitechie
[22:54] <snap-l> Interesting. :)
[22:54] <snap-l> I think this will be more successful than Ohloh was.
[23:11] <greg-g> snap-l: except, the whole bound to github thing :)