[00:11] snap-l: heh, oh well [00:25] ugh, the infrastructure for this Team Reporting stuff is cumbersome... *grumbles as he gets back to work on it* [01:05] greg-g: I take it you're playing with the wiki. ;) [01:14] indeed, a bit [01:15] * greg-g grumbles [01:25] ok, sent to the list the instructions on how to help. Man that was a pain setting that all up [01:25] click edit.. wait... type type type... click preview.. wait....... click save.. wait............................ INTERNAL SERVER ERROR! [01:26] yeah, I saw a few server errors while looking at the diffs [01:27] ok, now to the other work I should do tonight [01:28] man, why does tornado always seem half baked whenever I go look into it [01:41] oh yeah, I/we should add the CHC/Ubuntu Hours to the reports [01:47] dangit, forgot the link on that last tweet/dent [02:09] Man, when rick_h__ and I get to talkin', we really talk. :) [02:09] snap-l: heh, yea I told you we were bad [02:11] With music, the show is just shy of an hour [02:11] heh, good job. I didn't think we'd come in under an hour [02:12] Call it the "extreme blabbermouth edition". [02:30] what is everyone's opinion of Unity in 11.04? [02:30] I like it [02:31] I like what they did with it but it doesn't seem to be as customizable to me [02:32] I would have rather seen them go with Gnome-shell [02:33] Different goals, overall [02:33] ukonvasara: I think it'll be interesting to see how things pan out over the next year. Really, it is an exciting time! [02:33] GNOME Shell was about GNOME 3, while UNITY was trying to extend the life of GNOME 2 while at the same time removing a lot of the crufty build-up [02:34] snap-l good point [02:35] I am not abandoning Unity all together but it did make me look more into KDE [02:35] ^since Gnome-shell does not work right with 11.04 [03:15] anyone got any links, books or a guide for learning soalris? [03:44] jjesse_: Cyanide capsules? [03:59] Step 1) Assume linux knowledge will transfer. Step 2) Actually use a solaris system. Step 3) Get frustrated and defenestrate it. [03:59] Step 4) See if there's money in the budget to replace all of the Solaris boxes with Linux machines. [04:00] Note that steps 3 and 4 are not the same. ;) [04:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/208718 <- Yay, this bug hit the statute of limitations! [12:55] greg-g: :( on that tweet there man [12:55] need a radar alarm system [12:56] rick_h__: no kidding, or just be better about checking the radar first thing when I wake up :/ [12:56] a smell a new mobile app [12:57] yeah, the only setting is "What is the minimum time needed to bike home?" 15, 30, 45, 1hr [12:57] then an alarm goes off when it detects rain coming you way within that time [12:59] the "detecting rain at your location is the hard part" [12:59] indeed [13:07] brousch: bah, image collision detection based on weather maps, that's easy stuff [13:07] gamers do it all the time [13:08] perhaps, but how do you do it for an hour into the future? [13:10] start out by cheating, mapping 'usual' movement patterns for a location [13:10] for instance, around here storms tend to travel straight w-e [13:10] other places it'd probably be more N-S or something [13:10] it would definitely be a fun learning project [13:11] you'd basically be doing what meteorologists did 10 years ago on supercomputers :) [13:11] hyperlocal weather forecasts [13:11] yea [13:11] but you'd only have to do it for locations people are actually at/using the app [13:11] * greg-g nods [13:11] which is a bit intersting [13:12] brousch: get on it! :) [13:12] ok, let's go get some funding, head to techrunch disrupt [13:12] too much math for me [13:12] I could probably pseudocode the math for ya ;) [13:14] i think we'll need nate oostendorp to parse the radar images for us [13:14] now we just need to figure out how to make it more mass market [13:14] not sure we're going to get $$ selling a mobile app to bikers :P [13:15] why not? they have tons of spare cash due to not buying gas [13:15] I hear some don't even have smart phones [13:15] but really, such an app would have a huge userbase [13:15] any outdoor venue or event [13:16] only an hour out? [13:16] And that's when you learn the intricasies of radar imaging. ;) [13:16] I think they hit up good old weather reporting [13:16] hm, should i head for the golf course now? [13:17] do i need an umbrella for the baseball game? [13:17] Just because there's a pixel over your location doesn't mean you have rain there, and vice versa. [13:18] rick_h__: :P [13:18] snap-l: i imagine we'd take animated radar images and project their path an hour into the future, then compare that with the location in question [13:18] (re: the not having smart phones) [13:18] greg-g: :) [13:18] so now we need an sms alert? [13:18] brousch: Also need to take into account bird flocking patterns that distrupt radar [13:18] and give some very interesting images [13:19] We need to simplify the problem [13:19] if someone had the time and inclination to tackle this, i think they could make money [13:19] Just send a SMS message to greg-g every 5 minutes asking him if he's checked the weather [13:21] i don't think he'll pay for that [13:22] I would cancel my cellphone service [13:24] and buy a smartphone? [13:25] yeah yeah, I'll do that someday, don't push :) [13:28] if you aren't willing to pay $70/mo for a smartphone, how can we expect you to pay $5/mo for hyperlocalweatheralerts? [13:29] if I didn't have to pay $70/mo for a smartphone data plan, I'd be more likely to spend $5 on a hyperlocalweatheralertawesomesaucesystem [13:31] <_stink_> that's version 2 [13:33] https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mtn [13:34] and like all good ideas... [13:34] traffic, that one was a winner idea [13:34] there's your non-biker segment [13:34] thugh it's not clear if they just send alerts for thunderstorms and such [13:35] greg-g needs to know if it's going to sprinkle so he can put on his galoshes [13:35] lol "$4.99 Per Year Crushing the competitors services that only work in 1 Zipcode!" from https://market.android.com/details?id=com.torwarn.app [13:36] i think that one only does severe weather [13:38] we can still own this market [13:39] I think there is something miss, yeah. [13:40] personally, i use weatherbug which has an hourly forecast based on my location [13:40] city local [13:41] but it has radar and even local webcams [13:41] oh yeah! weatherbug! that is still around? I remember than from 2000 [13:42] i hated it and banned it on work pcs, but it's really nice on android [13:44] and they were one of the apps marked as uploading phone and device info to sell to advertisors [13:44] heh [13:44] nothing's free! [13:44] "no such thing as a free lunch" man I hate that idiom [13:47] oh man, even greg-g is being replaced by robots http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/24/2232224/Robots-Retrieve-Your-Books-At-U-Chicagos-81-Million-Library [13:47] :P [13:47] not me, no robot can do what I do, yet. [13:48] isn't that what librarians do? ;) [13:49] I thought they just shushed you.... [13:51] reminder CHC tonight everyone, long 3 hr edition, see you at 7pm Blazeix snap-l _stink_ widox [14:06] Thanks! [14:08] Well, I think I'm going to rewrite Piddlepodder (my podcatcher) in Python [14:09] Miro is starting to annoy me with their ads. [14:09] but but, miro syncs to android! [14:09] And the Perl code is pretty hairy [14:10] And I need a little knock-around project or I'll go insane. ;) [14:10] bookie? [14:10] you also have lococast and omc [14:13] can someone running natty try something for me? [14:13] go to http://pbskids.com/ and try to click on one of the games [14:16] so, the flash in Fx4 on Maverick completely hates that site (I can't see anything, even though all the flash content "loads") [14:17] brousch: Yeah, those are cooking along. But I need something that'll give me an excuse to do more with sqlalchemy that isn't already rolling [14:17] greg-g: thanks, it was mostly broken for me too [14:18] my kid killed the old macbook he was using, so i hooked him up with ubuntu. he was very disappointed [14:18] lucid flash is working (at least I could get the collection jar to do something useful) [14:18] on the upside, xubuntu natty looks really nice [14:18] maybe i'll drop it back to lts then [14:48] Here comes the rain [14:48] greg-g: alert alert [14:49] snap-l: lol, thanks buddy! [14:54] And there's a tornado warning west of us [14:54] <_stink_> RAPTURE [14:55] Sadly, the NOAA has not issued a rapture watch for our counties. [14:55] I mean tornado watch south-west of us [14:55] <_stink_> that's because no one will know the day or time. [15:08] snap-l: now I have anie lenox in my head [15:09] or eurithmics. [15:09] here comes the rain again... [15:13] falling on your head like a DDR3? [15:14] falling on your head like a new e-Motion (I'm sure that's got to be an actual product name somewhere....) [15:25] jrwren: That wasn't my intention, but thanks for sharing. [15:25] Now I have it stuck in my head [15:26] Isn't an ear-worm like a cold? (You can't get rid of it until you give it to someone else) [15:29] how do ya'll manage your vim PWD ? [15:30] e.g. if you pop between projects do you start a new vim instance or do you cd in vim to the new project? How do you mix this with using vim --remote to send files to your existing vim instance? [15:30] I use workit to jump into my virtualenv/project path, auto source my virtualenv [15:30] and then I use gv to start my vim window [15:30] i feel like maybe I wish there were a way to tell vim about a project root [15:30] which uses the local python [15:30] the workit command auto dumps me into the project root === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [15:30] gv? gvim? gv to me is ghostview [15:31] and I open up nerdtree so everything is done from the project root [15:31] helps with fabfile, etc as well [15:31] https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L350 use that then so that each window is rooted to it's location [15:31] makes things like :!git add % and such easy [15:32] zomg #Lnnn i had no idea... github FTW [15:32] oh yes, I think I like that. [15:35] ty rick_h__ [15:35] np [15:41] how do you intergrate with system clipboard or do you really "+gP to paste if you have copied from web for example [15:42] i'm thinking of using ctrl-v to "paste" since ctrl-shift-v is also visual block mode [15:43] no, I have ,y and ,p [15:43] as my yank/paste from clipboards [15:43] ctrl-v is too powerful for column visual mode [15:43] I use that a ton [15:43] fixing indenting, quick replaces, etc [15:43] i like those. [15:43] I'll use those :) [15:44] I'm all for customization, but its too bad vim doesn't have a lot of things like this as default [15:44] a great default that is also customizable would be better than no default IMO [15:44] or I guess a bad default in this case with '+gP [15:44] see, I even typed it wrong there... ' v. " [15:51] Well, worse is that CTRL-V doesn't behave the same on Linux as it does under Windows [15:51] CTRL-V is column visual mode, but under Windows, it's paste [15:51] drives me insane [15:52] Well, not insane, but to the insane district, with plenty of shops and free parking. [16:22] just found ctrl-6 in vim... i'm forever n00b [16:22] snap-l: ctrl-v is block visual for me in wondows. [16:22] are you running easy mode or something? [16:44] snap-l: I think the default gvim on windows ships with windows compatibility, which does the ctrl+v funkiness [16:44] if you turn that off in your __vimrc, ctrl+v is visual mode. [16:52] Blazeix: Ah, OK. Thank you. :) [16:53] I need to copy over my .vimrc over to Windows, but haven't done so [16:53] mostly because I rarely use vim under Windows (rarely use Windows for anything other than e-mail and non-dev work foo) [16:56] anyone know how i can show older releases on this page? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2 [16:58] like 2.0 or 1.3? [16:59] where's waldo when you need him: http://jessenoller.com/2011/05/25/pycon-everybody-pays/ [17:15] no, like karmic [17:18] jrwren: like this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/apache2 [17:22] warning, rain is imminent. leave soon or you will get wet. [17:23] * wolfger leaves work, tells boss greg-g said so. [17:26] Blazeix: yes, like that, but I didn't see that link on that page. [17:26] I had to click a newer release and replace the version with "karmic" [17:44] jrwren: It was near the bottom of the page you linked. [17:44] Er, not for karmic, though [17:44] Karmic isn't supported anymore. [18:02] right, yet the karmic lp page still exists... but how would I find it? [18:12] I think that's the idea; they don't want you to easily find it. ;) [18:12] because it's not supported. [18:14] warning, it is now too late to leave, you are already wet. Now you must wait X hours [18:14] My back yard is a swamp [18:14] Sump pump is working, but the ground is super-saturated. [18:14] crazy thunder here, and it just started to downpour again [18:19] snap-l: you are subscribed to all wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/* pages right? Have you seen any edits on the team reports? I don't know if I am also subscribed in the same way [18:19] Haven't paid close attention, but I've seen some wiki edits fly by [18:22] greg-g: i saw some mentions of me on those pages from google alert [18:23] brousch: :) yeah, I liked to your blog posts [18:23] linked* [18:24] google alert was right on top of it [18:25] cool, I find that my tweets are found days later, while my dents are found almost instantly by GoogAlerts [18:26] well there's only like 1 new dent/second while there are millions of tweets to sort through [18:28] brousch: bah! :P I've also discovered by tweeter's search doesn't pick up my tweets. Like if you did a hashtag search, I don't show up. THEY'RE CENSORING ME! [18:30] probably [18:50] greg-g: oh geez, supposed to fill out team reports every month? [18:52] brousch: yeah [18:52] *exactly* [18:53] hopefully the work to streamline the process will get somewhere now [18:57] I hope to God there's a streamlining approach [18:57] because the wikis are frankly a pain in the ass [18:57] Something like attaching to a team meeting or event would be handy. [18:58] you know, we have this handy new system that plans and even records events, the LoCo Directory. I htink the reporting should be dang near automatic from that [18:58] ding ding ding ding [18:59] Drives me batty when people ask for reports that can easily be tied to another system. [19:01] * greg-g nods [19:19] http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/05/25/seeeduino-adk/ [19:19] I think I just squee'd a bit [19:20] ew [19:26] jrwren: I got to that page by clicking 'full publishing history,' then I clicked 'karmic' [19:26] it's sort of coming at it sidewise, though [19:33] http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-gnome-3-is-besting-ubuntu-unity/2551 [19:34] I'm downloading Fedora to give it the ol' test in a VM [19:35] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/fedora-15-alpha-wont-install-inside-virtualbox-4-0-4-a-869879/ <- Wow, and we say some people in Ubuntu are caustic [19:38] <_stink_> yikes [19:38] <_stink_> the guy is from Ann Arbor, too [19:41] <_stink_> i thought everyone in Ann Arbor was a kindly tree-hugger [19:45] there is a small ring of gun-toting, meat-eating, angry, michigan militia type [19:45] they are even grumpier than most because they're surrounded by hippies [19:46] <_stink_> poor guys, yeah [19:46] amazon app atore is pretty nice [19:46] store [19:46] i'm going to try a cat in the hat app and super why [19:47] Blazeix: I couldn't find the full publishing history link. [19:48] wow... John VV is a d.b. [19:48] i think an even better question is... why do people use linuxquestions.com :) [19:49] brousch: meat eating??? dude... AA is full of meat eaters. [19:49] the farmers market sells local grown hippie meat. [19:49] does greg-g eat meat? if he does... well... i bet he'd love some farmers market meat. [20:01] http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/sys/2359079690.html Is this worthwhile? [20:01] <_stink_> $20 is too much imo [20:01] Really [20:02] <_stink_> i guess it depends on how much you 'need' it. [20:02] It looks like it comes with with the motherboard, I'm emailing the poster too see what type it is. [20:03] <_stink_> in that case, maybe. [20:04] From the picutre, it looks like it has 4-6 ram slots and some pci slots, maybe agp. [20:04] I'm not sure. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [20:05] The case looks like a standard ATX case, which I should be able to use if/when I build a new/another pc. [20:07] rick_h__: so the lcd with the buf change, does that read a tags file? what if your tags file is a few dirs up? or do you manually load tags? [20:08] +1 does not look worth $20, but you can be nice and take it from him for free and then recycle it instead of letting it go to landfill, or repurpose the case [20:10] jrwren: so two partst [20:10] https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc#L157 [20:10] and then to keep my tags up to date, I auto run the ctags command as part of workit [20:10] so whenever I start on a project, it reruns tags on that project [20:12] sip:snapl@iptel.org [20:12] yeah, I'm fine with rerunning ctags [20:12] but yea, that line in my .vimrc says to hit up parent dirs [20:12] Playing with sip clients, and actually have them working [20:12] holy shit... it will search parents for tags??? HOT!!! [20:12] apparently something changed. [20:13] jrwren: yea, I keep all my tag files in the project root [20:13] me too [21:24] ok, i'm trying to use my first amazon ec2 instance, and i can't figure out how to connect [21:24] i have a keypair, and the instance has an ip address [21:24] it is aparently running [21:26] brousch: did you configure your security group [21:26] it gave me a group [21:27] default group [21:29] did you give it an elastic ip [21:29] yeah [21:29] is there a firewall blocking ssh maybe? [21:29] you confirmed your security group has 22 tcp and 0.0.0.0/0 sourceefined [21:29] source defined that is [21:31] can't hurt to allow your outbound as well [21:33] i added port 22, no change [21:35] wait, ubuntu doesn't come with openssh-server installed [21:35] how do i install it? [21:37] bah, fuckme [21:37] i was using the wrong ip address [21:37] i'm in now [21:38] :) [21:48] flood warnings for Macomb and Wayne [21:48] be careful out there, everyone [21:52] <_stink_> yeah, 696 closed at least one way (Westbound, i think) at Greenfield [21:53] this is fun [22:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Vn1C7eUzA [22:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_g8VBhwBw [22:44] should be a fun drive to CHC, woohoo [22:47] http://coderwall.com/lmorchard [22:47] widox: Yeah, I'm wondering if I should borrow my parents canoe. [22:54] http://coderwall.com/mitechie [22:54] Interesting. :) [22:54] I think this will be more successful than Ohloh was. [23:11] snap-l: except, the whole bound to github thing :)