[00:02] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: but, I am a perpetrator no longer.
[00:02] <ChinnoDog> I'm reformed.
[00:02] <pleia2> oh good
[00:04] <jedijf> are you sure???
[00:04] <jedijf> hi peeps
[00:05] <jedijf> chinno'isms
[00:07] <ChinnoDog> Say no to chinno'isms.
[00:07] <ChinnoDog> Although, I'm never going to stop saying 'peeps'.
[00:07] <ChinnoDog> It took me a few seconds to realize you were mocking me.
[00:08] <pleia2> hehe
[00:13] <Sadin> OH BOY! i have a great idea for an ubuntu themed wallpaper!
[00:18] <ChinnoDog> Tell us the idea already.
[00:26] <Sadin> What if i had something like a black backgroun with a light orange foggy gradient in the background
[00:26] <Sadin> and an ubuntu logo on top that looks like its glowing or made with light painting :D
[00:27] <ChinnoDog> That sounds exciting if you have the skills to make it.
[00:28] <Sadin> I Do Ill do it! Just watch :)
[00:30]  * Sadin needs to re download photoshop first...
[00:30]  * jthan rambles
[00:40] <Sadin> afk
[01:31]  * Sadin wants photoshop to finish downloading so he can make his ubuntu background...
[01:51] <JonathanD> Good morning PA!
[01:53] <jthan> Morning?
[01:53] <PennBot> It has been said that Morning is 3 hours ago, jthan
[01:54] <JonathanD> jthan: yes. I got up extra early today.
[01:55] <jthan> Good work
[01:55] <JonathanD> I'm on my way back from CC actually.
[01:55] <jthan> CC.. Carbon Copy... Community College..
[01:56] <rmg51> Center City
[01:56] <JonathanD> center city, yes.
[01:57] <JonathanD> I'm on the train. Spotty coverage.
[01:57] <Irishmanluke> Concord California?
[01:58] <jedijf> JonathanD: cc at 9pm.....wth....cabling?
[01:58] <JonathanD> jedijf: network work @ basekamp
[01:58] <JonathanD> there seems to be a disagreement about a bike.
[01:59] <jthan> Tell someone to throw something
[01:59] <jthan> that makes it so much more interesting
[01:59] <JonathanD> like the bike?
[01:59]  * JonathanD ducks
[01:59] <JonathanD> "She can move"
[02:00] <JonathanD> How wude.
[02:01] <JonathanD> I should take the train more, it's rather entertaining :P
[02:01] <JonathanD> waltman: is it always like this?
[02:01] <jedijf> channel six is doing a story about septa drivers being attacked by passengers
[02:02] <jedijf> gotta love philly
[02:02] <JonathanD> hah
[02:02] <JonathanD> do they throw things?
[02:02] <jthan> Lol
[02:02] <jthan> They better, or it isn't real entertainment.
[02:02] <JonathanD> jthan: train? bus?
[02:02] <JonathanD> erm, jedijf, train, bus?
[02:02] <JonathanD> moped?
[02:03] <jedijf> the clips i saw were bus, but once it gets aired....violence everywhere
[02:03] <JonathanD> Why are we attacking the drivers, exactly?
[02:03] <JonathanD> For a free fare?
[02:03] <jthan> illogical.
[02:03] <JonathanD> Bus missed the stop, perhaps?
[02:03] <JonathanD> I have no idea what stop I'm at.
[02:03] <jedijf> no clue...10 sec visual...beating fares probably
[02:05] <jthan> leeching_wireless++
[02:05] <jthan> I had to download like ~500 youtube videos for a job I'm working next weekend
[02:05] <jthan> Figured I'd let the neighbors network be slow for a few days...
[02:06] <jthan> passwords are dumb anyway, right?
[02:06] <JonathanD> somewhat evil, jthan
[02:06] <JonathanD> manayunk
[02:06] <jthan> I'm sure it is evil. But that's what you get for not securing it. They don't do much web surfing anyways.
[02:07] <jthan> If that was the case, kismac would have found a lot more than it did
[02:07] <JonathanD> I have more of an issue with verizons WEP routers.
[02:07] <JonathanD> give people "Security" that isn't worth...
[02:07] <jthan> Yeah.
[02:07] <jthan> I hate that too. my ex-gf had one of them.
[02:07] <JonathanD> Mihgt as well not put it on there if you're going to use WEP
[02:07] <JonathanD> more harm than good, if you ask me.
[02:08] <JonathanD> Not only is it still insecure, but the people able to use it are more likely to be trouble.
[02:08] <jthan> Takes a whopping 5 minutes to crack that
[02:08] <JonathanD> we should demo that at fosscon.
[02:09] <jthan> Do it up
[02:09] <JonathanD> I'll be busy.
[02:09] <JonathanD> So I'll assume you are volunteering ;)
[02:10]  * JonathanD wonders if we'd have to have people sign something for that.
[02:10] <jthan> Nahhh
[02:10] <jthan> who signs anything?
[02:10] <JonathanD> This is for educational purposes only.
[02:22] <andrew> evening
[02:23] <Sadin> :O my snack of the evening consists of Orville Redenbockers spicy nacho flavored popcorn and Fruit punch....
[02:23] <Sadin> best snack ever for creative spikes in photoshop
[02:23] <andrew> JonathanD: I have no problem with the verizon web issue, Free wifi!
[02:36] <JonathanD> Home.
[02:36] <jthan> Good work, once again.
[02:36] <JonathanD> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
[02:37] <jthan> huzzah!
[02:37] <jthan> HI HO SILVER!
[02:37] <JonathanD> if our politicians are anything to go by, that would mean "I'm home, but the house is burned down and someone else built a shoe store on top of it."
[03:03] <jthan> Quick - how do I enable logging w/ irssi?
[03:03] <jthan> irssi_fail--
[03:08] <rmg51> http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/PennBot/logs/
[03:08] <PennBot> Title: Index of /PennBot/logs (at ubuntupennsylvania.org)
[03:08] <jthan> yes, that's real too
[03:08] <rmg51> ^the simple way
[03:08] <rmg51> at least here :-D
[04:15] <waltman> JonathanD: Sometimes. Depends on the line.
[04:35] <Sadin> My Windows Xp install is making life completely miserable for me
[04:35] <Sadin> :(
[04:38] <Sadin> im trying to install my ATI x300 driver but the legacy driver installer from ATI says failure to launch everytime :(
[04:41] <ChinnoDog> iirc you need .net framework or directx or something before you can install it
[04:44] <Sadin> :O who me
[04:45] <ChinnoDog> If you install all the windows updates first you should be able to install the ATI driver without a problem.
[04:47] <Sadin> I ran windows update it said i had none :(
[04:48] <jthan> go to the update website.
[04:48] <Sadin> nvm i found it
[04:48] <ChinnoDog> Then look up the dependency for the installer and download and install it.
[04:48] <ChinnoDog> k..
[04:48] <pleia2> where am I?
[04:48] <PennBot> It has been said that I is stuff the chocolate into a bag for tomorrow or wondering if anyone of you could help me get some of them to Tennessee, we've got some people there that want our help setting up a computer lab in Crossville or satisfied when sassy little Stacey who made everyone else do her work for her couldn't make it up the stairs of the Arc d'Triumphe or um kinda dumb for not using irssi in Yakuake Terminal rather than the regular one.wor
[04:48] <Sadin> it told me i had no "high priority" updates and i overlooked the ones in the sidebar
[04:50] <Sadin> ive never big big on hardware :/ my friend up the street is the hardware guy and im the software guy lol
[05:10] <Sadin> Chinnodog it worked your awesome
[05:10] <ChinnoDog> thx
[05:11]  * ChinnoDog goes back to not being a windows guy
[05:16] <waltman> http://i.imgur.com/WWOeX.jpg
[05:17] <andrew> You know what bugs me? Preferred Applications vs Default web browser
[05:21]  * Sadin needs to keep working on his portfolio theme tomorrow
[05:21]  * Sadin also needs to get his ATI driver installed correctly on his desktop for photoshop to run and normal speed
[09:12] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[10:01] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:02] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:04] <rmg51> o/
[12:29] <jedijf> is it just me, or is there something inherently wrong with designing an Ubuntu logo with Photoshop?
[12:30] <jedijf> why not use iDraw or something.......jeez
[12:33] <JonathanD> heh, really?
[12:53] <jedijf> is there an iDraw?
[12:54] <jedijf> haha ther is
[12:54] <jedijf> there
[13:00] <jthan> lol
[13:00] <jthan> jedijf++
[13:05] <jedijf> that's like shuttleworth signing ssweeny's check with a ms pen...
[13:06] <JonathanD> He uses an oracle pen, actually.
[13:06] <jedijf> actually i bet he's using a banshee pen
[13:06] <jthan> JonathanD: so remember our discussion from last night?
[13:06] <jthan> Regarding WEP encryption.
[13:06] <JonathanD> jthan: about camping or encryption?
[13:06] <JonathanD> yes
[13:07] <jthan> Have you actually /done/ anything of that sort lately?
[13:07] <JonathanD> Yes.
[13:07] <jthan> What program do you use?
[13:07] <jthan> I only ask because I've only ever used kismac for my MacBook.
[13:09] <JonathanD> I use uh... hold on.
[13:09] <JonathanD> aircrack
[13:09] <JonathanD> To be clear, I don't do so maliciously. My last two attempts have been for demonstration purposes.
[13:09] <andrew> jthan: http://www.whatsmyip.org/fioswepcalc/
[13:09] <PennBot> Title: WhatsMyIP.org Fios WEP Key Calculator (at www.whatsmyip.org)
[13:10] <andrew> (that doesn't work on newer installs
[13:10] <andrew> )
[13:10] <JonathanD> Now thats just stupid.
[13:10] <andrew> yep
[13:10] <jthan> JonathanD: of course. I would not use it for malicious purposes either.  Perhaps to prove a point.
[13:10] <JonathanD> brb
[13:11] <andrew> I'm still waiting on a reply from the canonical store
[13:11] <jthan> Regarding?
[13:11] <andrew> 2D vs 3D stickers
[13:11] <JonathanD> andrew: can you ask about 1D, please?
[13:11] <JonathanD> I'd really like a 1D sticker
[13:12] <JonathanD> andrew: you up for canoeing some warm saturday?
[13:12] <andrew> JonathanD: perhaps
[13:13] <andrew> so long as I'm not busy
[13:13] <jthan> Oooh man
[13:13]  * jthan fell in love with his new kayak 
[13:14] <jthan> Is running a mail server worth it?
[13:14]  * JonathanD has a fairly large aluminum canoe.
[13:14] <JonathanD> and an inflatable kayak that fits in a suitcase.
[13:14] <jthan> I did 180 miles in the allagash last august.
[13:14] <jthan> Not in aluminum canoes though.
[13:14] <jthan> andrew: They didn't approve mye agle because I didn't print it double-sided....
[13:14] <JonathanD> It's quite suitable for an overnighter.
[13:15] <jthan> Oh I'd agree with you.
[13:15] <JonathanD> tons of space.
[13:15] <JonathanD> which is good though, we go with all 4 of us in one.
[13:16] <jthan> I frequent the pine barrens in Jersey
[13:16] <JonathanD> I've yet to try the inflatable. it look fun though.
[13:17] <jthan> Just as a day trip. Easy going.. take something to drink, some lunch.
[13:17] <jthan> Usually I eat and just float along all day :-P
[13:17] <JonathanD> I just sort of like the fact that I can keep in the trunk. Just in case, ya know.
[13:17] <jthan> Yeah - so if it rains for 40 days and 40 nights you have a kayak.
[13:25] <andrew> jthan: so... reprint
[13:25] <jthan> I know - it just bugs me.  Why waste the trees to print again when that's the only thing they want changed?
[13:59] <JonathanD> throw out half the pages, print the other side on the remaining ones.
[14:00] <jthan> Sounds like my brain would hurt after that, but it's a good idea.
[15:07] <InHisName> brain pain ?
[15:08] <JonathanD> mmm
[16:23] <ChinnoDog> jackson: Is your dog eating your network again?
[16:29] <ChinnoDog> om nom network
[16:32] <andrew> jackson: everything ok?
[16:32] <teddy-dbear> JonathanD: make it stop already :P
[16:33] <JonathanD> pleia2
[16:34] <JonathanD> andrew
[16:34] <ChinnoDog> I don't remember if pleia2 is the only +o here.
[16:34] <JonathanD> teddy-dbear: staff isn't on the ACL.
[16:35] <teddy-dbear> the bear don't care :-/
[16:39] <andrew> JonathanD: really? 2     *!*@freenode/staff/*   +votiA [modified ? ago]
[16:40] <JonathanD> I may be blind.
[16:40] <JonathanD> this is possible.
[16:42] <andrew> why is it a question mark for the time?
[16:43] <JonathanD> Hasn't been used since a services restart, I think.
[16:43] <JonathanD> either way, jackson seems fixed.
[16:47] <andrew> hopefully
[16:49] <ChinnoDog> His dog probably moved on to noming the computer.
[16:51] <andrew> Wouldn't that have similar results?
[16:54] <ChinnoDog> Eventually
[17:01] <teddy-dbear> he needs a teddy bear
[17:02] <teddy-dbear> we don't eat things like that
[17:05] <ChinnoDog> He could just get some bitter apple spray. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bitter-Apple-Spray-8-oz-Dogs/3635337
[17:05] <PennBot> Title: Walmart.com: Bitter Apple Spray, 8 oz: Dogs (at www.walmart.com)
[17:05] <ChinnoDog> I think there are synthetic compounds that are designed to taste bad as well.
[17:39] <JonathanD> My dog likes bitter spray.
[17:52] <ChinnoDog> There were some reviews on walmart that said that. I guess not all dogs are offended by its taste. I bet your dog would drink beer too if presented withi t.
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> hrm. Apparently alcohol is a good way to kill your dog. Scratch that idea.
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> Only ChinnoDog gets to drink alcohol.
[18:39] <IdleOne> never let your dog drink and irc
[18:41] <ChinnoDog> Yea, you don't want to have to break the bad news to their IRC girlfriends.
[18:45] <teddy-dbear> never let lamalex drink and irc =-O
[19:05] <lamalex> huh?
[19:05] <lamalex> i do almost nothing else
[19:06] <pleia2> yeah, how else do you expect him to tolerate people on irc?
[19:07] <teddy-dbear> but how can we understand him?
[19:07] <pleia2> not important
[19:07] <teddy-dbear> or do we really want to?
[19:11] <ssweeny> just don't ask him about work, since he won't tell you anything :)
[19:12] <IdleOne> lamalex: works for Canonical right?
[19:12] <IdleOne> non disclosure agreements!
[19:14] <ssweeny> yep
[19:14] <lamalex> hah ssweeny are you referencing, "oh shit, are you community? i've said too much already"
[19:14] <ssweeny> haha
[19:15] <IdleOne> I wonder exactly how the new QA community person is going to handle that
[19:15] <ssweeny> yeah, we're sitting at breakfast, both working for canonical, and we can't talk about work
[19:16] <pleia2> the key is to get the canonical folks drunk first
[19:16]  * ssweeny can attest to that
[19:16] <pleia2> then you can have your way with^W^W^W^W get them to talk about anything
[19:16] <IdleOne> I can't tell you anything except to tell you that i can't tell you anything.
[19:16] <ssweeny> pleia2, shhhh
[19:16] <ssweeny> that fact is itself under NDA
[19:16] <pleia2> then again, they also got me to say I don't hate copyright assignment
[19:16] <pleia2> so I guess it works both ways :)
[19:33] <lamalex> get a person drunk, and you can get them to say just about anything
[19:48] <ssweeny> true
[19:52] <jedijf> lamalex: when you coming back?
[19:52] <lamalex> coming back where
[19:52] <jedijf> philly
[19:53] <jedijf> forever'ish
[19:53] <jedijf> til you leave again
[19:54] <lamalex> ill probably "never" be coming home foreverish
[19:55] <lamalex> i will be home thursday but then going to baltimore for fri-sun then be around mon-weds
[19:55] <lamalex> but then im coming back  north on weds or thurs
[19:57] <jedijf> :(
[19:57] <jedijf> rambling man
[19:58] <jedijf> pleia2: i just deleted the plug into hive meeting from my g calendar....
[19:58] <lamalex> the life of a vagrant
[19:59] <jedijf> lamalex: dude...actually...enjoy it and live it as long as you can
[19:59] <jedijf> and then, 2 more weeks
[19:59] <lamalex> what's in 2 weeks?
[19:59] <jedijf> nm
[20:32] <ChinnoDog> hello Sadin
[20:35] <Sadin> Hey ChinnoDog
[20:37] <Sadin> ChinnoDog i have the sidebar done for my portfolio im waiting for photoshop to finish downloading before doing the rest http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/#/d3h7718
[20:37] <PennBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[20:53] <Sadin> I updated .NET on my computer like you said but the ATI installer manager still says failed to initialise... very confused
[20:57] <jedijf> wabbit
[21:02] <ChinnoDog> laaag
[21:02] <ChinnoDog> 3 seconds to ping myself
[21:03] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: ping
[21:03] <PennBot> pong
[21:07] <Sadin> D: frustation
[21:09] <jedijf> Sadin: give up, use ubu plus gimp or inkscape or something graphicy
[21:14] <Sadin> i like photoshop more then gimp
[21:15] <Sadin> plus i need it for school
[21:15] <ChinnoDog> Photoshop isn't evil just because it costs money.
[21:16] <Sadin> who said it was :O
[21:16] <jedijf> i think he means me
[21:16] <Sadin> oh
[21:16] <ChinnoDog> Yes, I meant jedijf
[21:17] <Sadin> I prefer the PS interface
[21:17] <jedijf> i didn't say that either, just prefer more open, less costly, just work stuff
[21:18] <Sadin> Photoshop isnt the problem i need to get my graphics driver working so i can use duel moniters and play the PC games i have that were like 60$ each :/
[21:18] <jedijf> i am very careful not to disparage anything, just offering alternatives
[21:19] <jedijf> err, now games are evil
[21:19] <Sadin> im 16 what you expect me to own a PC and not have a few games for it :)
[21:19] <jedijf> yes
[21:19] <jedijf> you asked
[21:20] <Sadin> obviously you havent met most 16 year old males lol :P
[21:23]  * Sadin bangs his head on desk
[21:23] <Sadin> why wont the legacy package manager for ATI run!!!
[21:23] <Sadin> :(
[21:27] <ChinnoDog> What error did it throw?
[21:29] <Sadin> Catalyst install manager failed to initialize
[21:29] <Sadin> faild to initialize package manager
[21:30] <ChinnoDog> Why is it called the "legacy package manager"?
[21:31] <Sadin> because its a very old card so ati grouped the "old" drivers into the legacy installer
[21:32] <Sadin> so your "supposed" to download this legacy installer and it installs your nessisary driver and also ati catalyst controller but mine wont...
[21:56] <Sadin> if i cant get this graphics card to work im going to re install ubuntu
[21:58] <jedijf> that's the spirit
[21:58] <Sadin> ill keep trying till tonght
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> google the installer so you can find the dependency
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> I have to go, but I'll be back later.
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> (probably)
[21:59] <Sadin> i ve been trying
[21:59] <Sadin> See ya ChinnoDog
[22:01] <ChinnoDog> Sadin:
[22:01] <ChinnoDog> Caution: The Catalyst™ Control Center requires that the Microsoft  NET Framework version 2.0 be installed. Without .NET version 2.0.
[22:01] <jedijf> Sadin: what are you running?
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> installed, the Catalyst™ Control Center will not launch properly and
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> the user will see an error messag
[22:02] <Sadin> i have .NET 3
[22:02] <Sadin> ive installed all the .NET updates from microsoft
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> It is only backwards compatible in theory. Try installing .NET 2.0
[22:02] <Sadin> alright
[22:03] <Sadin> ill try
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> oh
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> .. never mind. I had another thought but it doesn't apply to P
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> XP
[22:03] <jedijf> lol, thst would make it *not* backwards compatble
[22:03] <Sadin> i ran every single SP and .NET update from the windows update
[22:04] <jedijf> s/theory/marketing propaganda
[22:05] <ChinnoDog> The installer might be checkings for the specific version
[22:05] <ChinnoDog> .NET Framework versioning is not as straightforward as it should be.
[22:05] <Sadin> ok im downloading .NET from microsoft and ill run the installer
[22:13] <Sadin> It says i cant install .NET 2.0 because of incompatibilty with an already installed version
[22:13] <Sadin> (because i already have the latest)
[22:26] <Irishmanluke> sorry but are we giving windows support now?
[22:29] <jedijf> Irishmanluke: yes, it ultimately leads back to us
[22:29] <Irishmanluke> does this have to do with the photoshop ubuntu art thing?
[22:30] <Irishmanluke> I'd scroll back but my batterys about to die
[23:20] <Sadin> i needed to re install windows for photoshop because of my classes at school and i cant get my ATI driver to install properly
[23:20] <Sadin> so any help would be appreciated
[23:20] <Sadin> irishmanluke ^
[23:34] <ChinnoDog> Sadin:  uninstall .net 3, then install 2. you can put it back when you are done.
[23:35] <Sadin> alrighty
[23:37] <Sadin> and welcome back by the way ChinnoDog
[23:38] <ChinnoDog> I am not really back. waiting to board plane.
[23:38] <Sadin> oh wow you guys are always flying places :P
[23:39] <ChinnoDog> you can too. get on a plane.
[23:39] <Sadin> you forgot the part about me being 16 :P
[23:40]  * Sadin thinks it doesnt help the situation when windows says i have uninstalled video adaptors yet it cant install the driver at the moment...
[23:43] <Sadin> Why does it say i have windows XP SP3 when in my add/remove programs window my .NET 2.0 and 3.5 where SP2
[23:44] <Sadin> that doesnt sound right
[23:44] <ChinnoDog> they aren't related
[23:45] <Sadin> So the fact that they are SP2 doesnt matter?
[23:45] <ChinnoDog> when I was a kid I lived overseas and frequently d&e kids as young as 10 traveling alone.
[23:47] <Sadin> ok i removed .NEt 3.5 and 3 im restarting and going to try to install catalyst now...
[23:52] <Sadin> it failed again...
[23:52] <Sadin> im going to keep slaving over google searches