[01:42] <vychune> o/
[01:44] <orangeninja> hello vychune
[01:45] <vychune> how you doing
[01:46] <orangeninja> good, how are you?
[01:47] <vychune> good
[01:48] <vychune> got a surprise upon logging itno midsouthmakers's chan
 vychune: Message from Svpernova09: I'm really glad your herpes test was negative
[01:49] <orangeninja> lol, well congrats......
[01:49] <vychune> he was just messing
[01:49] <orangeninja> ha, I know.
[01:50] <vychune> and it not that funny
[01:50] <vychune> !weather 38116
[01:50] <vychune> oops wrong chan
[01:51] <orangeninja> here you go, 83 and partly sunny
[01:51] <orangeninja> at least i my zip
[01:51] <vychune> lol
[01:51] <vychune> 38116
[01:52] <vychune> btw where wrst bot
[01:53] <orangeninja> you do OK with the flooding down that way vychune ?
[01:54] <vychune> yes im very far from the river down here
[01:54] <wrst> vychune: working on another one
[01:55] <vychune> oh ok wrst
[02:00] <orangeninja> vychune: midsouthmakers is a maker group near memphis right?
[02:46] <orias> yes
[02:46] <orias> why do you ask?
[03:01] <orangeninja> Oh, I thought it was I remeber something about it several months back.
[03:01] <orangeninja> I don't know about any local maker groups up here.
[03:04] <orias> There's us in Memphis (MidsouthMakers) a group in Knoxville and ofc HC in Nashville
[03:05] <orias> Huntsville has Makers Local as well
[03:05] <orangeninja> cool
[03:07] <orias> are you in Memphis?
[03:08] <orangeninja> i am in Nashville
[03:11] <orias> checked out HC yet?
[03:11] <orias> http://www.hackerconsortium.com/location.php
[03:11] <orangeninja> looking at the site now
[03:12] <orangeninja> thanks to your link
[03:28] <vychune> thanks for answering in my absence orias
[03:39] <vychune> locobot_4: o/
[07:19] <cyberanger> Anyone here using 64 bit on their desktops (I've only used it on servers)
[07:19] <cyberanger> I would care to know if you've been seeing any 64 bit only issues as of late
[07:20] <chris4585> cyberanger, not lately, but the only issue I even encountered was with flash
[07:22] <cyberanger> not lately, good, that's what I want to hear
[07:23] <chris4585> well I meant not lately by that specific issue ^
[07:23] <cyberanger> I'm looking to upgrade, between ram and the hdd, I have to use Grub2 (or a mess of patches) for GPT (instead of MBR) to deal with a limitation on hard discs
[07:24] <cyberanger> and memory is 16 GB, which will mean 64 bit
[07:24] <chris4585> you could use the pae kernel, I'm using it and ubuntu automatically installed it
[07:24] <cyberanger> chris4585: it's the biggest issue I hear, 32 bit code on x64, and you've not had it lately
[07:25] <cyberanger> the x64 or x86 pae kernel?
[07:27] <cyberanger> chris4585: yeah, but that might not solve the HDD issue, just the ram issue
[07:28] <chris4585> there is an HDD issue?
[07:28] <cyberanger> I can try x86-PAE first, worst case, I reinstall with x64-pae
[07:29] <chris4585> x86 pae kernel, I have 4gbs of ram and a x64 cpu and ubuntu installed the x86 pae kernel
[07:29] <chris4585> using the 32bit iso ^
[07:30] <cyberanger> chris4585: 2.19TB
[07:30] <cyberanger> limitation
[07:30] <chris4585> are you serious? I didn't know that
[07:31] <cyberanger> and I'm seeing conflicting info on ubuntu setting the HIGHMEM64 option
[07:31] <cyberanger> chris4585: more in hardware than linux it seems yes
[07:31] <chris4585> strange
[07:33] <cyberanger> chris4585: yeah, it's gotta have GUID Partition Table (GPT) instead of an MBR
[07:34] <chris4585> ah, I didn't know that
[07:34] <cyberanger> and Unified Extensible Firmware Interface instead of the BIOS
[07:39] <cyberanger> there is also a limitation in the PAE HIGHMEM64 option, each process is limited to ~3.75GB but I hope that's not a concern for awhile
[07:41] <cyberanger> chris4585: you answered what really concerned me, the biggest issue, 32 bit code running on 64 bit being too buggy
[07:42] <cyberanger> flash for example
[07:42] <cyberanger> you've not had any issues of late
[07:44] <cyberanger> I've been at this for awhile tonight, checking hardware with debian and ubuntu
[07:44] <cyberanger> and so on, if I'm putting this much into it
[07:46] <cyberanger> chris4585: thanks
[07:50] <cyberanger> chris4585: this is gonna be the most powerful (and possibly most expensive) rig I've built
[07:51] <cyberanger> gotta do my homework before I invest
[07:54] <cyberanger> I'm excited though, this will be sweet
[08:08] <chris4585> I don't think I'd worry about the flash so much, I haven't heard of many issues with it lately
[08:09] <chris4585> doing the research sucks I can assure you that, I've had to do it before, but its worth it to get hardware that works flawless
[08:09] <chris4585> I'm going to sleep, good night cyberanger
[08:11] <cyberanger> chris4585: indeed
[08:11] <cyberanger> normal rig isnt as much work too
[08:11] <cyberanger> this is too much power
[13:35] <wrst> morning everyone
[13:52] <cyberanger> Morning wrst
[14:06] <cyberanger> wrst: your using 64 bit too right?
[14:24] <wrst> cyberanger: me no I haven't?
[14:26] <wrst> cyberanger: well take that back I do use 64 on the desktop since I have 8 GB of RAM and I just ordered a laptop and will likely run 64bit on it also
[14:41] <cyberanger> wrst: any issues
[14:41] <cyberanger> wrst: getting parts for a rig that will require it
[14:41] <wrst> cyberanger: No only with flash I've always had to run an alpha version of flash that I haven't looked or updated lately
[14:42] <wrst> the 32 bit wrapped flush sucks
[14:42] <wrst> thats on both ubuntu and arch
[14:42] <wrst> I think possibly that broadcom wireless on 64bit may be a bit of a pain
[14:42] <wrst> atleast on ubuntu
[14:43] <cyberanger> 16GB ram and 3TB HDD, gonna have to use 64 bit when that arrives, made sure that wifi was a open chip type
[14:43] <cyberanger> flash is always a pain, but it has worked, yes?
[14:44] <cyberanger> the 64 bit alpha?
[14:45] <wrst> yes and I think it may be in the wild now cyberanger not for sure
[14:46] <wrst> you building a new system?
[14:46] <cyberanger> wrst: will be, soon enough
[14:47] <wrst> cool cyberanger that's a beast
[14:47] <cyberanger> mini-itx more powerful and more compact than any other of my rigs
[14:47] <cyberanger> quad core i5, 3.33 Ghz
[14:47] <wrst> I have a mini-itx atom powered server I love that form factor
[14:47] <wrst> nice cyberanger :)
[14:47] <wrst> cyberanger: I've not had intel chips in a long time but new laptop has an i3 in it
[14:48] <cyberanger> wrst: how many cores?
[14:49] <wrst> 2
[14:49] <wrst> wanting to go 4 but... just a little more money than I could get out with
[14:49] <wrst> hang on i will get you a link
[14:49] <cyberanger> and I've always had Intel chips personally (not that I don't like AMD, just the other chips work, wifi, video, audio, no hassle, and for that without a cost difference, why not)
[14:50] <wrst> yes cyberanger i'm not so up on the video would have preferred NVIDIA but price once again
[14:50] <wrst> http://www.amazon.com/A52F-XA4-15-6-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/B004RCNS4W/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1306331394&sr=8-4
[14:51] <cyberanger> but it it's an intel video chip, it probally works
[14:51] <cyberanger> wrst: nice
[14:52] <wrst> that's what I know cyberanger along with the wireless and I like that
[14:52] <vychune> o/
[14:52] <cyberanger> this is going to be a desktop, but since it's Mini-ITX it'll be travel sized
[14:52] <wrst> so I am looking forward to a "just works" linux experience with it
[14:52] <cyberanger> hey vychune
[14:52] <vychune> what are you guys talking about this morning
[14:53] <wrst> yeah cyberanger you will really like all that i think and 16GB of RAM not for sure what I woudl do with all of that
[14:53] <wrst> vychune: hardware hardware hardware :)
[14:53] <wrst> vychune: good morning
[14:54] <cyberanger> and I'm seeing how I might be able to build a custom case for it, nice and compact, see about adding a keyboard (leave the mouse out, I have enough usb devices for that, and could probally find a touch pad or something)
[14:55] <cyberanger> it wouldn't be a laptop, but it could head to linux confrences next year, and stuff like that
[14:56] <wrst> cyberanger: get a keyboard with a touch pad built in?
[14:56] <cyberanger> and plug in with no cable clutter
[14:56] <cyberanger> well, I've not quite worked that out yet, with the hardware mod stage being worked over
[14:57] <wrst> ahh :)
[14:58] <cyberanger> yeah, not too sure where the ram will get used, exactly
[14:58] <cyberanger> but between VirtualBox and Ramdisks, and other work, it will
[15:00] <wrst> yeah I mean asssign 4GB of ram to a guest os how cool will that be?
[15:00] <wrst> i do that some with vista on my VM on my desktop but you will still have 12GB left!
[15:06] <vychune> at first i saw WMware lol isnt that hard to use
[15:07] <wrst> vychune: ?
[15:08] <wrst> ohh no I use virtual box vychune
[15:08] <vychune> -ikr
[15:09] <vychune> i tested bodhi linux on it a few days ago
[15:10] <wrst> how is it?
[15:10] <wrst> its ubuntu based?
[15:10] <vychune> i like it
[15:11] <vychune> idk think its *buntu based though let me check
[15:12] <vychune> yes it isd
[15:13] <vychune> http://www.bodhilinux.com/about.php
[15:13] <cyberanger> vychune: VMWare isn't bad, but not as simple
[15:13] <vychune> i didnt say it was bad
[15:14] <vychune> im just lazy
[15:14] <vychune> so i like VB
[15:15] <wrst> vychune: i'm lazy too
[15:15] <vychune> LOL
[15:16] <vychune> MootBot: tell wrst he's lazy
[15:16] <vychune> lol
[15:16] <wrst> ha :)
[15:16] <vychune> who's bot is locobot?
[15:16] <vychune> is that the logger?
[15:17] <cyberanger> vychune: one of two
[15:17] <vychune> oh ok
[15:19] <cyberanger> wrst: it'll make squid fly
[15:19] <wrst> ha ha yes
[15:19] <vychune> ???????????
[15:19] <cyberanger> having a pretty hughe ramdisk for for squid and perhaps some files for apache
[15:20] <vychune> what is sqiud?
[15:22] <cyberanger> an HTTP Caching Proxy
[15:22] <vychune> oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh
[15:22] <wrst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_(software)
[15:23] <vychune> thanks wrst
[15:26] <cyberanger> it's useful
[15:34] <cyberanger> but yeah, one bottleneck I can't do too much to fix is the internet
[15:34] <cyberanger> but I can upgrade my lan at least
[15:35] <cyberanger> Gigabit LAN
[15:35] <cyberanger> and with it in Ram, no delay from HDD I/O
[15:36] <Xpistos> what is going on home scrollnicks!
[15:37] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos
[15:37] <cyberanger> how's it going
[15:37] <Xpistos> not bad, sleepy but not bad
[15:52] <cyberanger> woot, just setup a transparent proxy, suprised I never did that before
[18:56] <cyberanger> wrst: ok, thanks
[20:07] <vychune> hey guys
[20:12] <wrst> hey
[20:12] <vychune> got the bot up?
[20:14] <wrst> bah laptop fried been delayed
[20:15] <vychune> WHAT HAPPENED?
[20:18] <wrst> poor airflow the laptop is about 5 years old and had one of the first I think amd dual core processors in it always ran hot and sucked air from the bottom where you always had it laid so lasted much longer than i expected but not as long as I would have liked so I could have replaced it a little better than I did
[20:19] <vychune> oh
[20:19] <vychune> bummer dude
[20:21] <vychune> get a netbook?
[20:22] <wrst> no vychuneI use a notebook for a lot of stuff, and prefer a little more full size feel
[20:23] <wrst> vychune: its one of these: http://www.amazon.com/A52F-XA4-15-6-Inch-Versatile-Entertainment-Laptop/dp/B004RCNS4W/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1306331394&sr=8-4
[20:24] <vychune> now that my friend is a laptop
[20:28] <Lunch4Xpistos> hey cyberanger with the skype news recently, I may want to get a sip server going. Can I get away with a P3 on that?
[20:39] <vychune> what's up my ninja lol
[20:39] <wrst> vychune: its ok i woudl have preferred nvidia video, but i like the HDD space a lot
[20:40] <vychune> oh ok
[20:42] <orangeninja> sup homie
[20:42] <wrst> hello orangeninja
[20:42] <wrst> Lunch4Xpistos: how you doing?
[20:43] <orangeninja> doing good, how about you guys?
[20:43] <Xpistos> wrst: fair
[20:43] <vychune> Lunch4Xpistos: got sum for me?
[20:43] <Xpistos> aggrievation, sure. Have all you want
[20:43] <Xpistos> I am working on day 4 with a migrane
[20:45] <orangeninja> man I hate those Xpistos, hope it gets better for you soon
[20:45] <Xpistos> thanks brother
[20:46] <vychune> the pounding sensitivity to light gosh
[20:46] <vychune> get well soon
[20:47] <Xpistos> at least it has been moving
[20:48] <vychune> moving? ouch
[21:25] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[21:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[21:33] <wrst> hey linuxman410
[21:33] <linuxman410> wrst how come xubuntu 11.04 has unity too
[21:34] <wrst> beats me linuxman410?
[21:35] <wrst> didn't know it did, that's silly
[21:36] <linuxman410> wrst there is a unity 2d out now
[21:36] <wrst> yeah has been for a while QT based too which is interesting
[21:48] <cyberanger> linuxman410: mistake?
[21:48] <linuxman410> cyberanger what mistake
[21:50] <cyberanger> xubuntu unity
[21:50] <cyberanger> perhaps?
[21:51] <linuxman410> cyberanger whhen i booted up it said something about unity the live cd
[21:51] <cyberanger> but didn't actually boot unity?
[21:52] <linuxman410> cyberanger no i do not guess but what are the icons on bottom
[21:53] <linuxman410> cyberanger xubuntu has icons on the bottom now
[21:55] <cyberanger> hrm
[21:58] <cyberanger> Xpistos: perhaps, depends on the task, the load
[21:59] <Xpistos> well I would need to assume 6 callers
[22:00] <cyberanger> I'd be able to presume no, based on the motherboards ram limitation for common P3 boards
[22:01] <cyberanger> or more accurately, a strech that seems unrealistic for 'on-air' quality
[22:01] <Xpistos> roger
[22:02] <Xpistos> we are a bit away from that need, but I want to proceed with that in mind
[22:08]  * cyberanger nods
[23:29] <cyberanger> wrst: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/SquidMemory
[23:30] <cyberanger> plus the idea of a ramdisk cache, might give you an idea on some ram usage