[08:23] <ochosi> mr_pouit: did you see xfce bug 7564 is marked as resolved? maybe that would be something worth backporting/pushing to natty...
[08:24] <ochosi> darn you, ubottu 
[08:24] <ochosi> i mean xfce 7564
[08:24] <ochosi> meh :/
[09:28] <mr_pouit> ochosi: no, I didn't =]
[09:28] <ochosi> well, it's brand new anyway
[09:28] <mr_pouit> yeah, it's probably worth  doing smothing to natty
[09:28] <ochosi> but it would be pretty cool if indicators would support vertical panels
[09:28] <mr_pouit> can you file a bug on LP about that?
[09:28] <ochosi> i think xfce would be the first DE to sport that feature
[09:29] <mr_pouit> otherwise it'll get lost
[09:29] <ochosi> sure, np
[09:33] <ochosi> mr_pouit: bug 787977
[09:37] <mr_pouit> thanks
[09:56] <ochosi> np
[15:11] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:12] <micahg> good morning charlie-tca 
[15:15]  * drc hands charlie-tca a cuppa...noting that tea has been added to the menu.
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you, drc
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu daily, daily-live, and ubuntu-server images for oneiric are available from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/
[15:29] <drc> Oh darn...time to go to work :(
[15:30] <charlie-tca> No, you are waiting for Xubuntu images
[15:31] <drc> oh...yeah...I'm just so used to people saying "I installed Ubuntu" for all three flavors
[15:32]  * drc returns to his dozing.
[15:43]  * drc suddenly wakes up, thinking he'll just DL it anyway, just to see if common things like the "activated but not in use" bug is still there.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> These are the first images, most bugs will not fixed yet
[15:45] <drc> I know, but I'm bored...and who knows?
[15:46] <drc> Maybe I'll like Unity so much now, I'll switch.
[15:47] <charlie-tca> hehheh
[15:48] <drc> No really, I *want* to like Unity, I just...can't.
[15:51]  * drc checks to make sure the Get Off My Lawn sign is still up.
[15:58] <charlie-tca> I do like unity! I just don't like to use it for me
[16:01] <drc> "Oh no! Something has gone wrong."
[16:03] <drc> 32 bit Oneiric won't even boot to the try/install screen...something about /run/udev not writable (error message flashes to fast to read all of it).
[16:03] <micahg> drc: it should fall back to /dev/.udev
[16:03] <drc> Well, considering it's not even alpha yet...not to shabby :)
[16:06] <drc> micahg: It boots to a screen with the "Oh no!" message, with what looks like an incomplete nautilus window on to of it (you can close that window)
[16:06] <drc> One day down, only 150 to go.
[16:09]  * drc has had a very tiring day now...decides to take a nap.
[16:10] <charlie-tca> \o/
[16:19] <charlie-tca> still need to get word, I guess - "didn't knwo xubuntu 11.04 was already out! great, thanks"
[16:21] <drc> charlie-tca: No, that was <U>buntu Oneiric.
[16:21] <charlie-tca> what was?
[16:22] <charlie-tca> the tiring day?
[16:22] <drc> Never mind, I thought you were replying to my "Oh no!" series.
[16:23] <charlie-tca> oh,
[16:23] <charlie-tca> no, that was a comment from another channel
[16:23] <drc> ohhhh...multichanneling...how cool ;)
[19:15] <ochosi> charlie-tca: the bugfix for the indicators was just uploaded to -proposed
[19:15] <ochosi> yay! :)
[19:15] <ochosi> that means that vertical panels will work _a lot_ better than before, even better than in maverick
[19:17] <drc> Yeah Redux...er...that was bug 	759312, correct?
[19:18] <ochosi> drc: no, it's bug 787977
[19:19] <drc> rats!
[19:19] <ochosi> drc: what you have to uninstall to get rid of the envelope is "indicator-messages"
[19:19] <ochosi> it always worked for me
[19:20] <ochosi> (meaning i can't confirm your bug)
[19:21] <ochosi> drc: after uninstalling the indicator-messages package you obviously need a "xfce4-panel --restart"
[19:22] <drc> ochosi: no, it goes away automagically soon after I use pidgin the first time (at least I think that's the when, so systematic testing...Maybe I'll do that sometime during my daily tests).  But after it goes away, the spacing is all messed up (re: 759312)	
[19:23] <drc> ochosi: The spacing is *still* off after...how many reboots has it been since I files it?
[19:24] <ochosi> drc so you really uninstalled indicator-messages? (uninstalling gwibber is not enough), your /usr/lib/indicators kinda suggests otherwise...
[19:25] <ochosi> reboots shouldn't change much, restarting the panel should be fine for the indicators
[19:25] <drc> No...let me see if I can explain it a little better.
[19:26] <ochosi> sure, go ahead
[19:27] <drc> When I first started with xubuntu, gwibber was installed by default.  I usually uninstalled it early in my config process (I never used it and did not like the indicator being present).
[19:28] <drc> This resulted in the spacing proiblem I indicated.
[19:29] <drc> Since then, gwibber appears to not be installed by default, but the "envelope" is still present (with a pidgin message).
[19:30] <ochosi> right
[19:30] <ochosi> i understand all that
[19:30] <drc> The envelope now goes away (after some unspecified time, but I *think* it's relatively soon after using pidgin the first time, and rebooting).  The spacing problem is, however still there.
[19:32] <drc> Using a "light" theme (say clearlooks), one can detect what looks like a spacing holder in the inidicators.  I'll do a screenshot and post it in just a moment.
[19:32] <ochosi> drc: i know the "spacing" problem
[19:32] <ochosi> no need for the screenshot
[19:33] <drc> ok...then what am I not telling you that you need to know? ")
[19:34] <ochosi> open a terminal, what does "sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages" say? :)
[19:35] <drc> duh!
[19:36] <drc> The indicator messages was removed....I did a "xfce4-panel --restart" and the spacing problem was fixed.
[19:36] <ochosi> k, then you know what you have to write in your bugreport ;)
[19:37] <drc> Yup, but the question remains...without removing the indicator-messages, why does the "envelope" disappear, but the spacing remain?
[19:38] <drc> Not that it matters, just curious
[19:38] <ochosi> i assume because there's nothing the indicator can show. you could try the same in ubuntu, wondering what would happen there
[19:39] <ochosi> in fact it's a teensy bit better to not show the envelope when there are no apps installed that use it than showing it
[19:39] <ochosi> but i agree that maybe it should either be completely hidden or completely shown
[19:39] <ochosi> so basically you can confirm the bug but explain how to "fix"/workaround it
[19:42]  * drc is trying to figure out how to word this so he doesn't look totally stupid :)
[19:43] <ochosi> hehe
[19:44] <drc> ochosi: Could this have something to do with the fact the I never stared pidgin thru the indicatore but always used the menu/icon on the panel?
[19:44] <ochosi> nope, not as far as my experience goes
[19:44] <ochosi> wait, i think you're talking about two different bugs here
[19:45] <ochosi> one is: if there are no apps using indicator-messages but the package is still installed, there is some empty spacing
[19:45] <ochosi> the other is: for some reason the envelope appears/disappears randomely when pidgin is installed
[19:45] <ochosi> did i get that right now?
[19:47] <drc> Almost
[19:48] <drc> Gotta run for about 5 min...puppy wants out...NOW 
[19:48] <ochosi> k, good luck with that
[19:49] <ochosi> gotta go too
[19:49] <ochosi> see you around
[19:52] <drc> Back...and see you later.
[20:24] <foobar> Hi :)
[20:24] <foobar> Where should I report a bug concerning xfapplet? At xfce or launchpad?
[20:24] <foobar> After installation on one PC only stock-market quotation can be chosen and on the other system none...
[20:25] <foobar> Both systems running Xubuntu 11.04
[20:28] <micahg> foobar: ubuntu-bug xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[20:29] <foobar> Thanks micahg - I'll post it there.
[20:29] <foobar> Have a nice day.
[20:51] <drc> Well, that was interesting...never installed from the ALT series before...why does everyone think an ncurses install is "hard"?
[20:52] <drc> BTW, Ubuntu Alt64 install get the same /run/udev notwritable error (although it does try to fall back to .udev (?)
[20:55] <Soupermanito> i installed from alt the other day, had to use another live cd to use gparted, which is ghey if ask me
[20:57] <drc> I never had to repartition...I just used my existing testing partition and formated, so I can't speak to that.
[22:46] <micahg_> BTW, lightdm seems to work great ATM
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Glad to hear that
[22:53] <charlie-tca> me and Luke are up for insuring it is fully accessible in Oneiric, too
[22:53] <charlie-tca> We promised at UDS that it will be
[22:55] <micahg_> same list of users as default GDM ATM, hopefully we can make that a preference
[22:55]  * micahg_ also has to add some stuff to the Firefox apparmor profile for it
[23:33] <Soupermanito> micahg, does lightdm allows user pictures to be added?
[23:34] <micahg> Soupermanito: no idea
[23:35] <Soupermanito> mmmkay
[23:35] <Soupermanito> thanks anyway
[23:36] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:36] <charlie-tca> it will use html and css too
[23:36] <Soupermanito> :D that is awesome