=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === maco2 is now known as maco === hunger_ is now known as hunger__ === hunger__ is now known as hunger [08:18] apachelogger: ping === ximion1 is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion [10:35] jussi: pongo [10:35] apachelogger: pm === makl is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion [12:41] rbelem: ping [12:41] or anyone who has spoked to rbelem about pandaboards: ping [12:43] Riddell got ya :D [12:44] hey dude. Remember my ubuquity slideshow mockup? [12:44] sheytan: I do [12:44] Riddell want to implement it? [12:44] or atleast add as "todo" ? :) [12:47] sheytan: I'm afraid I'm not working on Kubuntu this cycle [12:47] we have an installer section on the todo and it can be added there https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo#Installer [12:47] Riddell oh, why? [12:48] sheytan: just felt the need for a change for a while, variety being the spice of life [12:48] don't worry, I'll be back in a few months :) [12:48] but edit the todo here if you want https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Oneiric [12:50] Riddell i can't edit it without login. Could you do that for me? here's the mockup: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html [12:50] I'm only looking for a developer ;) [12:51] you don't have a launchpad login? [12:53] apachelogger: do you know why the installer notes never turned into todo items? [12:54] sheytan: I've added it to the installer session notes, I'm not sure why none of the other items are on the todo http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-kubuntu-installer/ [12:54] Riddell: because neither maco nor afiestas created them === makl is now known as ximion [12:54] despite poking [12:54] * apachelogger needs a poke bot perhaps [12:56] Riddell Thank you :) Hope someone will code it :) [12:56] Some gnomes told me that apachelogger might do that ^^ :D [12:56] lolwut? [12:57] Riddell: what is with the pandas? [12:57] apachelogger: well I'm not sure, I believe rbelem has been poking canonical folk to get some and canonical folk are asking me who wants them [12:57] apachelogger you're the master of code :D And implementing my idea into the installer would be both, awesome and easy (i guess) :D [12:58] few things in coding are easy I'm afraid [12:59] Riddell: rbelem and me I suppose ... though shadeslayer also expressed interest in working on omap4 ... no idea if he'd see such a project through to actual working stuff [12:59] Riddell: ooh cool. We just made a couple of freescale boards happen for apachelogger and Quintasan. [12:59] sheytan: what idea? [12:59] apachelogger http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html [12:59] jussi: we did? who's we? [12:59] the crew :P [12:59] Riddell: persia, with my assistance [12:59] persia: paid, I organised. [13:00] * apachelogger thinks sheytan should know that apachelogger is not the person to talk to about python code [13:00] apachelogger: rofl [13:00] apachelogger is kubu installer written in python? [13:00] damn [13:00] PyKDE [13:00] that sucks [13:00] Python rocks! [13:01] who's developing the installer anyway? [13:01] maco suggested interest IIRC [13:04] sheytan: well nobody currently, that's the problem [13:05] crap ;/ [13:05] I think maco is mostly interested in ensuring accessibility is supported in it (it has a few custom widgets) [13:05] maybe she'll do that and get hooked on to the fun of coding PyKDE! [13:05] sheytan: added todo items to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [13:05] maco please ping me if you can [13:05] Riddell thank you :) [13:05] i'll talk to maco :) [13:06] Riddell the help.kubuntu.org isn't needed. We have Support section on the new web page. [13:06] sheytan: talk to DarkwingDuck about that [13:06] Ofir doesn't have time now, so i'll finish it with DarkwingDuck :) [13:07] Yes :D [13:08] * sheytan hopes the new printer kcm and notifications come with 11.10 === makl is now known as ximion [13:11] sheytan: hello [13:11] Riddell: ive used pykde before :P [13:11] right, so you know how much fun it is! :) [13:12] maco heeeey :) I have a perfect job for you which will make you proud of helping Kubuntu :) [13:14] How does one see the updates history? [13:19] jussi: /var/log/apt/term.log [13:19] maco: thanks [13:21] has anyone else had skype suddenly stop working for them in the last few days? [13:22] jussi@squirrel:~$ skype [13:22] Aborted [13:22] jussi: nah, skype stopped working for me a year ago....suddenly even preloading v4lcompat doesnt let it talk to v4l2 webcams [13:24] could either of these have anything to do with skype not working? [13:24] Setting up glib-networking (2.28.6.1-0ubuntu1) ... [13:24] Setting up libapr1 (1.4.2-7ubuntu2.1) ... [13:25] ScottK: turns out that I do have a gpg signature from a DD [13:25] debfx: Excellent. [13:25] http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/skype-goes-down-globally-investigation-underway/ [13:25] OHAI Microsoft [13:25] , jussi [13:25] :) [13:26] Sput: thanks... [13:26] MS .... [13:27] Sput: btw, GET BACK TO YOUR THESIS! :D [13:29] heh [13:29] renaming .Skype fixes said issue. === makl is now known as ximion [13:52] Nightrose: thanks for the feedback [13:52] Nightrose: btw, I has no a team channel ... apparently my team of awesome does not have time to join [13:53] s/no/now/ [13:53] apachelogger meant: "Nightrose: btw, I has now a team channel ... apparently my team of awesome does not have time to join" [13:53] kubotu: smart bot [13:54] apachelogger: -.- [13:54] not awesome [13:54] not at all === makl is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion === ximion is now known as makl === makl is now known as ximion === ximion1 is now known as ximion [14:26] apachelogger: BOO! [14:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuU3D_t_Ds [14:29] ScottK: the new ntrack did not fix the problem [14:36] txwikinger: what be the problem? [14:36] apachelogger: kded4 is spawning always losts of defuncts [14:37] lots [14:37] It has either to do with going in and out of sleep mode, and/or chaning wireless networs [14:43] txwikinger: spawn defuncts? [14:44] well.. it guess its spawns child processes that are not closed properly and hence end up to be shown as "defunc" [14:44] I guess [14:44] :O [14:45] txwikinger: kdebugdialog -> select all, then: killall -9 kded4 ; sleep2 ; kded4 &> log === makl is now known as ximion [14:45] try to trigger the issue and send me the log [14:45] apachelogger: ok I will do [14:46] txwikinger: bug 515138 perhaps? [14:46] Launchpad bug 515138 in kdelibs "kded4 (lucid, amd64) defunct on latop" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515138 [14:47] Not sure.. I reported it in maverick on kde bugs [14:47] JontheEchidna: you should like fix this ^ :P [14:47] natty is actually worse than maverick [14:49] hi [14:50] apachelogger: I figured out what was wrong: I don’t have the write access to phonon web site repository as ssh kde info points out; do you know if I can catch here any admin? :) [14:50] ryrych: #kde-sysadmin [14:50] apachelogger: thx [14:53] apachelogger: The child processes do not seem to appear in the log [14:55] txwikinger: killall -9 kded4 ; sleep 2; streace -ff -F -o kded.strace kded4 === makl is now known as ximion [15:27] apachelogger: Riddell i'm definitely interested in OMAP4 ... i'm thinking on focusing on ARM for the next year === agateau_ is now known as agateau [15:46] apachelogger: so sneap-peak for you :D http://ryrych.pl/null/phonon/ [15:46] stopwatch and dots as navigation [15:46] the progress bar at the top is a bit weird IMHO [15:47] very distracting [15:47] I like the dots though :D [15:49] hm, I like it but think out it :D [15:51] hi Riddell [15:51] :-) [15:52] sorry for the late ping back [15:52] hi rbelem [15:52] have you been talking to kiko? [15:52] Riddell, yup [15:52] groovy, who did you have in mind for pandaboards? [15:53] Riddell, three for plasma-active guys and two for kubuntu [15:53] :-) [15:53] i just saw your email :-) [15:53] rbelem: do you have specific people in mind? [15:54] Riddell, aseigo knows who will get the boards [15:55] rbelem: ok, and for Kubuntu? [15:55] Riddell, apachelogger and me [15:56] ok I need postal addresses for you and apachelogger then [15:56] rbelem, apachelogger: can you e-mail me your postal address [15:57] oki :-) [15:57] sent [15:57] Riddell, i will ask aseigo to send the adresses to you :-) [15:58] apachelogger: lol ... i got my package :P [15:58] googlez didn't forget me [15:58] :D [15:59] I did not :( [15:59] carol, y u forget me! [16:00] apachelogger: so apparently mails travel faster to india ... :> [16:01] well, from a logistics POV I'd say they do not send all the stuff at once :P [16:03] hehe [16:03] probably [16:07] Riddell: the KC is sposed to approve the specs right? TheMuso says feature definition is soon, but KC election is going on so how do we get them approved? [16:08] Riddell, mail sent :-) [16:10] maco: with the existing KC [16:10] Riddell: is there gonna be a meeting or something? [16:11] maco: one should be organised [16:12] Sput: I've been using Quassel for the last couple of weeks, working well [16:13] Sput: a couple of issues, I find it strange that when someone /msg's me it appears in the left tree in the same colour as if there's background chat in a channel, I think it should be the same as if someone highlights me on a channel [16:13] also I'm not clear when walk away from a network then walk back into range again if or when quassel will reconnect [16:13] i dont think it will [16:14] it takes a few minutes to timeout and realise no really theres no network activity [16:14] oh wait that depends on setting [16:14] you can set a hardcoded timeout [16:14] i had to go to "never time out actively" though because it was timing out on downloading backlog from the quassel core (which takes about 5 minutes) [16:16] well, the solid integration worked somewhat well for me, so it connected whenever KNM said it got a connection [16:18] ^^ yep [16:21] txwikinger: OK. Sorry. Different issue. [16:22] Riddell: can't really discuss very well now since I'm on a train, but the connection between client and core can be set to obey KDE's network status [16:22] ScottK: :) [16:22] the connection between core and IRC is timeout-based though (unless the socket closes, but that is not always the case with a shaky connection) [16:23] if you have the core somewhere safe, and you want the client to reconnect, it's best to enable the use of KDE's Solid, which in turn is tied to NetworkManager [16:23] Sput: I have the monolithic setup [16:25] mhm [16:25] then there's configurable timeouts [16:26] could someone comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/786192 - especially why the SVG file's content is changed in kubuntu's amarok package? [16:26] Ubuntu bug 786192 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Wrong rendering of some elements of interface" [Undecided,New] [16:26] I was thinking about adding solid integration for that part as well, but that's surprisingly non-trivial as the core has no KDE integration (and not even GUI support), architecturally :) [16:26] one could probably do a hack specifically for monolithic [16:27] KRF: because the upstream artwork sux [16:27] Sput: it could talk raw dbus I guess but yeah not easy [16:27] apachelogger: now it sucks even more, though. see attached screenshot [16:27] nono, it is better :P [16:27] * apachelogger actually wonders where there change is coming from for real [16:28] Riddell: dbus is not an acceptable dep on a server :) [16:28] fussy server people :) [16:28] apachelogger: looks like someone opened the svg with another editor before packaging? also the SVG's XML layout changed [16:29] technically, the monolithic version is really just the core and the client lumped in one binary connected by an internal socket... but I assume we could add some special accessor [16:29] (that is, if someone has the time to do it; I'll still be very busy with $thesis for the next several months) [16:30] kubotu: order a minion for Sput [16:30] * kubotu slides a minion down the bar to Sput [16:30] apachelogger: ah, someone used adobeillustrator and destroyed the color schemes :P [16:30] @_@ [16:30] KRF: unlikely, then dpkg would have created a patch for it [16:31] there is no way to sneak changes into modern packages without triggering a patch creation [16:31] unless someone tempered with the tar [16:31] KRF: do you have a 2.4.1 tar lying around? [16:31] apachelogger: nope [16:31] Riddell: I do have to wonder though, doesn't NetworkManager close active TCP connections when it determines it's offline? [16:31] a closing socket should trigger an immediate reconnect anyway [16:31] no I don't think so [16:32] hm, at least other apps seem to notice NM going offline [16:32] apachelogger: second, just trying to find out what happened there [16:32] KRF: no one touched the tar either [16:32] same md5 as the one lydia mentioned in the tagging announcement [16:32] and I think I've tested it with quassel too... the other issue I get a lot with mobile though is that NM does *not* notice the net going away :) [16:32] in which apps can't do anything [16:32] +case [16:33] KRF: what is the SVG called? [16:34] ah [16:34] nvm [16:34] * apachelogger is blind [16:35] woosh [16:35] KRF: must have been something at build or install time [16:36] cmpsvg: python-rsvg not installed, cannot compare SVG images [16:36] eh [16:37] WTH [16:37] apachelogger: i'm a bit confuzzled right now, /usr/share/kde4/apps/amarok/images/default-theme-clean.svg totally does not look like the file for the 2.4.0 tag in repo [16:37] weeeh [16:37] scour 0.25 [16:37] KRF: something is compressing the svgs [16:37] ouch [16:37] weehehehe [16:37] part of the default build process it seems [16:37] since when? [16:38] *shrug* [16:38] I don't even know why [16:38] * KRF wonders why noone noticed that earlier [16:38] oh [16:38] guess what [16:38] the highlight color looks pretty out of shape [16:38] debian screwed us over [16:38] or maybe not [16:38] :P [16:39] oha [16:39] actually it is all Riddell's fault [16:39] :P [16:39] * apachelogger hugs Riddell [16:40] Riddell: do you have a minute? [16:40] apachelogger: what did I do now? [16:40] screw that riddell!!!11 [16:40] apachelogger: I've added the necessary dependencies to pkg-kde-tools so cmpsvg works [16:41] Riddell: introduce scour [16:41] yeah [16:41] at least for oneiric it shouldn't be a problem anymore [16:41] the question i have is [16:41] if the cmp fails, will it reject the compressed svg or what? [16:41] then it uses the original svg [16:41] ah [16:41] ok [16:41] so [16:42] no brainer [16:42] although [16:42] I have that natty too [16:42] and I do not have new packages [16:42] weeh [16:42] debfx: SRU for pkg-kde-tools && nochange SRU for amarok once pkg-kde-tools is through SRU process plz [16:43] apachelogger: go ahead :) [16:43] is there even a bug report? [16:43] I am too old for this [16:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/786192 [16:43] Ubuntu bug 786192 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Wrong rendering of some elements of interface" [Undecided,Incomplete] [16:45] oh hold on [16:45] debfx: you uploaded that fix to natty? [16:45] pkg-kde-tools (0.9.3ubuntu10) natty; urgency=low [16:45] * Re-enable Scour as python-scour has dropped the problematic dependencies. [16:45] -- Felix Geyer Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:13:09 +0100 [16:46] and even more so [16:46] debfx: that does not resolve the problem it appears [16:46] cause [16:46] cmpsvg: python-rsvg not installed, cannot compare SVG images [16:46] it would appear that python-rsvg is still not dragged in in oneiric [16:47] so we need an explicit dep in oneiric, SRU that to natty, and then rebuild amarok via SRU [16:47] it certainly is now [16:47] apachelogger: uhm, how can i check the last upgrade of amarok on my system? [16:47] give me some bash magic [16:47] is it even broken in plain natty? the bug report talks about 2.4.1 [16:47] debfx: hm, perhaps uploaded before latest amaork build then [16:47] debfx: yes [16:48] I have plain natty here [16:48] and the svg is fckd [16:48] also see build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68211946/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.amarok_2%3A2.4.0-0ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz [16:48] purely fcked, i can attest [16:49] indeed [16:50] so yeah, no-change rebuild in oneiric and SRU pkg-kde-tools and amarok [16:51] assuming that cmpsvg detects the broken svg [16:51] debfx: oh, we probably should test that first ^^ [16:52] uh [16:52] the oneiric rebuild should give us an idea ^^ [16:52] debfx: at worst we'd introduce an env var to override scour, SRU that and then SRU amarok with the var exported [16:52] apachelogger: answer my question, lord of packaging [17:01] KRF: I do not compute the question pretty much [17:01] when...last..update...to..amarok..package on my system? [17:01] debfx: shall I assign you to the bugs? [17:01] KRF: ask the cloud [17:01] the log cloud [17:01] brrruhahaha [17:01] /var/log/dpkg.log [17:01] or maybe without .log [17:01] i see [17:01] apachelogger: so, since when this is all fcked up? [17:01] natty [17:01] dh_scour was introduced in natty the ubuntu manpages site says [17:01] apachelogger: yeah, though I would be worried if you continue to age that fast [17:01] looking at the bug report, cmpsvg will likely not solve the problem [17:03] KRF: in case you happen to know: does svgtinter hardcode the mappings? [17:04] apachelogger: it does a string based search/replace [17:04] because if so, then we should indeed introduce an overriding env var and thus provide scour from doing anything to amarok svg's === kaleo_ is now known as Kaleo [17:04] apachelogger: no idea [17:04] debfx: we want blacklisting for SRU then, and probably for oneiric too [17:04] apachelogger: ah, sorry. yes, it indeed is hardcoded [17:05] m_tintMap.insert( "#666765", App::instance()->palette().window().color().name() ); [17:05] KRF: on a related note: you should gzip the svgs to svgz [17:05] "broken by design" [17:05] * apachelogger believes gzipping will be 300% more efficient than scour anyway [17:05] apachelogger: not sure if that makes sense wrt to versioning [17:06] KRF: gzipping? [17:06] gzipping makes always sense :P [17:06] gzipping and pushing it to Git? [17:06] yeah [17:06] it is not like anyone cares about svg markup :P [17:06] binary blobs are not really nice to `diff` [17:06] KRF: make it part of the build process then [17:08] apachelogger: not sure if this is going to be that trivial in CMake [17:08] apachelogger: scour and gzip are not mutually exclusive [17:09] course not, but gzip doesn't screw up your data :P [17:12] debfx: could you just gzip instead of using scour? [17:12] looks like our code could handle it [17:13] I'm sure there are applications that hardcode the svg filenames [17:13] debfx: sure, not globally. just for amarok [17:13] well [17:13] quite honestly I'd go a different direction altogether [17:13] make scour opt-in [17:14] I do not quite like the idea of having stuff screw with xml files for all kde packages [17:15] then again since there is a scour sequence anyway it is opt-in without us doing anything [17:17] maybe restrict it to main? [17:17] it would be interesting to know how much space it actually saves [17:18] shadeslayer: I like how the welcome package thread now has 57 mails [17:18] debfx: still too much option for breakage [17:18] but why don't we just fix SvgTinter? [17:18] you need to tightly check the software to ensure no new release suddenly breaks with scour [17:19] meaning you need to be aware of scour being used and you need to have the time to actually notice such things [17:19] which for the better part of our main packages is just not doable [17:19] debfx: because it woudl be a workaround to scour being a necessary evil [17:19] a necessary evil that only ought to be used when someone knows why whatfor and when it makes sense === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [17:24] morning gang [17:29] apachelogger: yes indeed [17:29] apachelogger: people screaming how they got their package [17:30] apachelogger: should i 'contribute' :P [17:30] yplz [17:30] oh anything interesting to do? [17:30] I fear if I tell people that eric brought it over personally they might get jealous [17:30] hahaha [17:30] so I better not contribute [17:31] * apachelogger needs to go find some place where one could acquire eatables [17:32] apachelogger: guten [17:36] "Harald Sitter has appeared online" :3 [17:40] Riddell, ping [17:43] hello amorphous1 [17:43] Riddell, hello, I need to file a bug against a packahge but I'm not sure which one [17:44] ... [17:44] Riddell, in KDE Keyboard preferences"→ Layouts → "Options…"→ "Key(s) to change layout [17:44] what is the package that manages that [17:45] kdebase-workspace I expect [17:45] although it's probably an upstream bug in which case -> bugs.kde.org [17:45] ^^ on that note, are they really going to change bug trackers? [17:45] Riddell, thanks...that's the one [17:45] someone threw in LP in the mix [17:45] * shadeslayer digs up emails [17:48] shadeslayer: not that I know of [17:49] there's a view that bugzilla has passed its use by date but there's no leading candidate to replace it [17:49] Riddell: apparently they're going to upgrade bugzilla to bugzilla 4 [17:49] thats what the sysadmin team is saying [17:49] Riddell: it's on the plasma ML [17:49] * shadeslayer gets to merging choqok [17:50] ok [17:50] Riddell: so, did you start with the bzr teams? [17:51] Scott said that you were away trying to adjust with them :D [17:51] shadeslayer: I did, got some patches in [17:51] ah [17:51] we had a sprint in London [17:52] oh cool, can i expect LP not to time out next time when i copy like 100 packages? :P [17:56] Riddell: i see you added kubuntu_02_fix_message_indicator.diff to choqok [17:56] simple change replacing INDICATEQT_BUILD with QTINDICATE_BUILD [17:57] shadeslayer: alas launchpad timeouts are nothing to do with bzr [17:57] shadeslayer: yes I sent that upstream [17:57] * Riddell out [17:57] Riddell: oh ... hasn't been applied :( [17:57] Riddell: cya [17:57] hmm, tsk, he said he would [18:26] hmm.. would someone sponsor a merge request for choqok? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [19:00] Riddell: Some of us other council members conspired in your absence and decided that waiting and having the new council review/approve specs was more important than hitting some arbitrary deadline in the schedule. I expect we'll schedule a meeting as soon as election results are known. [19:05] bbiab, 2nd interview time [19:05] DarkwingDuck: best of luck! [19:06] XD === barraponto_ is now known as barraponto [19:08] Quintasan: apachelogger ping [19:08] Quintasan: apachelogger: my freescale boards just got updated to be shipped tomorrow. did you get a similar email? [19:27] ScottK: around ? [19:27] Yes [19:27] ScottK: could you sponsor 2 merges? [19:27] ENOTIME for sponsoring right now. Sorry. [19:27] sure np [19:28] * shadeslayer files bug instead then [19:31] what does this class KFileMetaDataConfigurationWidget exactly do? in api its written that it configures what to be displayed from metadata but didn't explain how? [19:32] c2tarun: the best place to ask would be #kde-devel [19:32] shadeslayer: ok :) [19:35] That's interesting. [19:36] DarkwingDuck: `?? [19:36] DarkwingDuck: what happened? :D [19:38] he just found out how to fix the wiki? =þ [19:39] The interview last 3 minutes and Jono wants to see a plan of action to refine, improve and grow the QA community by tuesday. [19:43]