[08:18] <jussi> apachelogger: ping
[10:35] <apachelogger> jussi: pongo
[10:35] <jussi> apachelogger: pm
[12:41] <Riddell> rbelem: ping
[12:41] <Riddell> or anyone who has spoked to rbelem about pandaboards: ping
[12:43] <sheytan> Riddell got ya :D
[12:44] <sheytan> hey dude. Remember my ubuquity slideshow mockup?
[12:44] <Riddell> sheytan: I do
[12:44] <sheytan> Riddell want to implement it?
[12:44] <sheytan> or atleast add as "todo" ? :)
[12:47] <Riddell> sheytan: I'm afraid I'm not working on Kubuntu this cycle
[12:47] <Riddell> we have an installer section on the todo and it can be added there https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo#Installer
[12:47] <sheytan> Riddell oh, why?
[12:48] <Riddell> sheytan: just felt the need for a change for a while, variety being the spice of life
[12:48] <Riddell> don't worry, I'll be back in a few months :)
[12:48] <Riddell> but edit the todo here if you want https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Oneiric
[12:50] <sheytan> Riddell i can't edit it without login. Could you do that for me? here's the mockup: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html
[12:50] <sheytan> I'm only looking for a developer ;)
[12:51] <Riddell> you don't have a launchpad login?
[12:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know why the installer notes never turned into todo items?
[12:54] <Riddell> sheytan: I've added it to the installer session notes, I'm not sure why none of the other items are on the todo http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-kubuntu-installer/
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: because neither maco nor afiestas created them
[12:54] <apachelogger> despite poking
[12:54]  * apachelogger needs a poke bot perhaps
[12:56] <sheytan> Riddell Thank you :) Hope someone will code it :)
[12:56] <sheytan> Some gnomes told me that apachelogger might do that ^^ :D
[12:56] <apachelogger> lolwut?
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is with the pandas?
[12:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: well I'm not sure, I believe rbelem has been poking canonical folk to get some and canonical folk are asking me who wants them
[12:57] <sheytan> apachelogger you're the master of code :D And implementing my idea into the installer would be both, awesome and easy (i guess) :D
[12:58] <Riddell> few things in coding are easy I'm afraid
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: rbelem and me I suppose ... though shadeslayer also expressed interest in working on omap4 ... no idea if he'd see such a project through to actual working stuff
[12:59] <jussi> Riddell: ooh cool. We just made a couple of freescale boards happen for apachelogger and Quintasan.
[12:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: what idea?
[12:59] <sheytan> apachelogger http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html
[12:59] <Riddell> jussi: we did? who's we?
[12:59] <apachelogger> the crew :P
[12:59] <jussi> Riddell: persia, with my assistance
[12:59] <jussi> persia: paid, I organised. 
[13:00]  * apachelogger thinks sheytan should know that apachelogger is not the person to talk to about python code
[13:00] <jussi> apachelogger: rofl
[13:00] <sheytan> apachelogger is kubu installer written in python?
[13:00] <sheytan> damn
[13:00] <Riddell> PyKDE
[13:00] <sheytan> that sucks
[13:00] <Riddell> Python rocks!
[13:01] <sheytan> who's developing the installer anyway?
[13:01] <apachelogger> maco suggested interest IIRC
[13:04] <Riddell> sheytan: well nobody currently, that's the problem
[13:05] <sheytan> crap ;/
[13:05] <Riddell> I think maco is mostly interested in ensuring accessibility is supported in it (it has a few custom widgets)
[13:05] <Riddell> maybe she'll do that and get hooked on to the fun of coding PyKDE!
[13:05] <Riddell> sheytan: added todo items to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[13:05] <sheytan> maco please ping me if you can
[13:05] <sheytan> Riddell thank you :)
[13:05] <sheytan> i'll talk to maco :)
[13:06] <sheytan> Riddell the help.kubuntu.org isn't needed. We have Support section on the new web page. 
[13:06] <Riddell> sheytan: talk to DarkwingDuck about that
[13:06] <sheytan> Ofir doesn't have time now, so i'll finish it with DarkwingDuck :)
[13:07] <sheytan> Yes :D
[13:08]  * sheytan hopes the new printer kcm and notifications come with 11.10
[13:11] <maco> sheytan: hello
[13:11] <maco> Riddell: ive used pykde before :P
[13:11] <Riddell> right, so you know how much fun it is! :)
[13:12] <sheytan> maco heeeey :) I have a perfect job for you which will make you proud of helping Kubuntu :)
[13:14] <jussi> How does one see the updates history?
[13:19] <maco> jussi: /var/log/apt/term.log
[13:19] <jussi> maco: thanks
[13:21] <jussi> has anyone else had skype suddenly stop working for them in the last few days? 
[13:22] <jussi> jussi@squirrel:~$ skype
[13:22] <jussi> Aborted
[13:22] <maco> jussi: nah, skype stopped working for me a year ago....suddenly even preloading v4lcompat doesnt let it talk to v4l2 webcams
[13:24] <jussi> could either of these have anything to do with skype not working? 
[13:24] <jussi> Setting up glib-networking (2.28.6.1-0ubuntu1) ...
[13:24] <jussi> Setting up libapr1 (1.4.2-7ubuntu2.1) ...
[13:25] <debfx> ScottK: turns out that I do have a gpg signature from a DD
[13:25] <ScottK> debfx: Excellent.
[13:25] <Sput> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/skype-goes-down-globally-investigation-underway/
[13:25] <Sput> OHAI Microsoft
[13:25] <Sput> , jussi
[13:25] <Sput> :)
[13:26] <jussi> Sput: thanks...
[13:26] <jussi> MS ....
[13:27] <jussi> Sput: btw, GET BACK TO YOUR THESIS! :D
[13:29] <jussi> heh
[13:29] <jussi> renaming .Skype fixes said issue. 
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thanks for the feedback
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, I has no a team channel ... apparently my team of awesome does not have time to join
[13:53] <apachelogger> s/no/now/
[13:53] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "Nightrose: btw, I has now a team channel ... apparently my team of awesome does not have time to join"
[13:53] <apachelogger> kubotu: smart bot
[13:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: -.-
[13:54] <Nightrose> not awesome
[13:54] <Nightrose> not at all
[14:26] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: BOO!
[14:27] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuU3D_t_Ds
[14:29] <txwikinger> ScottK: the new ntrack did not fix the problem
[14:36] <apachelogger> txwikinger: what be the problem?
[14:36] <txwikinger> apachelogger: kded4 is spawning always losts of defuncts
[14:37] <txwikinger> lots
[14:37] <txwikinger> It has either to do with going in and out of sleep mode, and/or chaning wireless networs
[14:43] <apachelogger> txwikinger: spawn defuncts?
[14:44] <txwikinger> well.. it guess its spawns child processes that are not closed properly and hence end up to be shown as "defunc"
[14:44] <txwikinger> I guess
[14:44] <apachelogger> :O
[14:45] <apachelogger> txwikinger: kdebugdialog -> select all, then: killall -9 kded4 ; sleep2 ; kded4 &> log
[14:45] <apachelogger> try to trigger the issue and send me the log
[14:45] <txwikinger> apachelogger: ok I will do
[14:46] <apachelogger> txwikinger: bug 515138 perhaps?
[14:47] <txwikinger> Not sure.. I reported it in maverick on kde bugs
[14:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should like fix this ^ :P
[14:47] <txwikinger> natty is actually worse than maverick
[14:49] <ryrych> hi
[14:50] <ryrych> apachelogger: I figured out what was wrong: I don’t have the write access to phonon web site repository as ssh kde info points out; do you know if I can catch here any admin? :)
[14:50] <apachelogger> ryrych: #kde-sysadmin
[14:50] <ryrych> apachelogger: thx
[14:53] <txwikinger> apachelogger: The child processes do not seem to appear in the log
[14:55] <apachelogger> txwikinger: killall -9 kded4 ; sleep 2; streace -ff -F -o kded.strace kded4
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell i'm definitely interested in OMAP4 ... i'm thinking on focusing on ARM for the next year 
[15:46] <ryrych> apachelogger: so sneap-peak for you :D http://ryrych.pl/null/phonon/
[15:46] <ryrych> stopwatch and dots as navigation
[15:46] <apachelogger> the progress bar at the top is a bit weird IMHO
[15:47] <apachelogger> very distracting
[15:47] <apachelogger> I like the dots though :D
[15:49] <ryrych> hm, I like it but think out it :D
[15:51] <rbelem> hi Riddell 
[15:51] <rbelem> :-)
[15:52] <rbelem> sorry for the late ping back
[15:52] <Riddell> hi rbelem
[15:52] <Riddell> have you been talking to kiko?
[15:52] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[15:52] <Riddell> groovy, who did you have in mind for pandaboards?
[15:53] <rbelem> Riddell, three for plasma-active guys and two for kubuntu
[15:53] <rbelem> :-)
[15:53] <rbelem> i just saw your email :-)
[15:53] <Riddell> rbelem: do you have specific people in mind?
[15:54] <rbelem> Riddell, aseigo knows who will get the boards
[15:55] <Riddell> rbelem: ok, and for Kubuntu?
[15:55] <rbelem> Riddell, apachelogger and me
[15:56] <Riddell> ok I need postal addresses for you and apachelogger then
[15:56] <Riddell> rbelem, apachelogger: can you e-mail me your postal address
[15:57] <rbelem> oki :-)
[15:57] <apachelogger> sent
[15:57] <rbelem> Riddell, i will ask aseigo to send the adresses to you :-)
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol ... i got my package :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> googlez didn't forget me
[15:58] <shadeslayer>  :D
[15:59] <apachelogger> I did not :(
[15:59] <apachelogger> carol, y u forget me!
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so apparently mails travel faster to india ... :>
[16:01] <apachelogger> well, from a logistics POV I'd say they do not send all the stuff at once :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:03] <shadeslayer> probably
[16:07] <maco> Riddell: the KC is sposed to approve the specs right? TheMuso says feature definition is soon, but KC election is going on so how do we get them approved?
[16:08] <rbelem> Riddell, mail sent :-)
[16:10] <Riddell> maco: with the existing KC
[16:10] <maco> Riddell: is there gonna be a meeting or something?
[16:11] <Riddell> maco: one should be organised
[16:12] <Riddell> Sput: I've been using Quassel for the last couple of weeks, working well
[16:13] <Riddell> Sput: a couple of issues, I find it strange that when someone /msg's me it appears in the left tree in the same colour as if there's background chat in a channel, I think it should be the same as if someone highlights me on a channel
[16:13] <Riddell> also I'm not clear when walk away from a network then walk back into range again if or when quassel will reconnect
[16:13] <maco> i dont think it will
[16:14] <maco> it takes a few minutes to timeout and realise no really theres no network activity
[16:14] <maco> oh wait that depends on setting
[16:14] <maco> you can set a hardcoded timeout
[16:14] <maco> i had to go to "never time out actively" though because it was timing out on downloading backlog from the quassel core (which takes about 5 minutes)
[16:16] <yofel> well, the solid integration worked somewhat well for me, so it connected whenever KNM said it got a connection
[16:18] <shadeslayer> ^^ yep
[16:21] <ScottK> txwikinger: OK.  Sorry.  Different issue.
[16:22] <Sput> Riddell: can't really discuss very well now since I'm on a train, but the connection between client and core can be set to obey KDE's network status
[16:22] <txwikinger> ScottK:  :)
[16:22] <Sput> the connection between core and IRC is timeout-based though (unless the socket closes, but that is not always the case with a shaky connection)
[16:23] <Sput> if you have the core somewhere safe, and you want the client to reconnect, it's best to enable the use of KDE's Solid, which in turn is tied to NetworkManager
[16:23] <Riddell> Sput: I have the monolithic setup
[16:25] <Sput> mhm
[16:25] <Sput> then there's configurable timeouts
[16:26] <KRF> could someone comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/786192 - especially why the SVG file's content is changed in kubuntu's amarok package?
[16:26] <Sput> I was thinking about adding solid integration for that part as well, but that's surprisingly non-trivial as the core has no KDE integration (and not even GUI support), architecturally :)
[16:26] <Sput> one could probably do a hack specifically for monolithic
[16:27] <apachelogger> KRF: because the upstream artwork sux
[16:27] <Riddell> Sput:  it could talk raw dbus I guess but yeah not easy
[16:27] <KRF> apachelogger: now it sucks even more, though. see attached screenshot
[16:27] <apachelogger> nono, it is better :P
[16:27]  * apachelogger actually wonders where there change is coming from for real
[16:28] <Sput> Riddell: dbus is not an acceptable dep on a server :)
[16:28] <Riddell> fussy server people :)
[16:28] <KRF> apachelogger: looks like someone opened the svg with another editor before packaging? also the SVG's XML layout changed
[16:29] <Sput> technically, the monolithic version is really just the core and the client lumped in one binary connected by an internal socket... but I assume we could add some special accessor
[16:29] <Sput> (that is, if someone has the time to do it; I'll still be very busy with $thesis for the next several months)
[16:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: order a minion for Sput
[16:30]  * kubotu slides a minion down the bar to Sput
[16:30] <KRF> apachelogger: ah, someone used adobeillustrator and destroyed the color schemes :P
[16:30] <shadeslayer> @_@
[16:30] <apachelogger> KRF: unlikely, then dpkg would have created a patch for it
[16:31] <apachelogger> there is no way to sneak changes into modern packages without triggering a patch creation
[16:31] <apachelogger> unless someone tempered with the tar
[16:31] <apachelogger> KRF: do you have a 2.4.1 tar lying around?
[16:31] <KRF> apachelogger: nope
[16:31] <Sput> Riddell: I do have to wonder though, doesn't NetworkManager close active TCP connections when it determines it's offline?
[16:31] <Sput> a closing socket should trigger an immediate reconnect anyway
[16:31] <Riddell> no I don't think so
[16:32] <Sput> hm, at least other apps seem to notice NM going offline
[16:32] <KRF> apachelogger: second, just trying to find out what happened there
[16:32] <apachelogger> KRF: no one touched the tar either
[16:32] <apachelogger> same md5 as the one lydia mentioned in the tagging announcement
[16:32] <Sput> and I think I've tested it with quassel too... the other issue I get a lot with mobile though is that NM does *not* notice the net going away :)
[16:32] <Sput> in which apps can't do anything
[16:32] <Sput> +case
[16:33] <apachelogger> KRF: what is the SVG called?
[16:34] <apachelogger> ah
[16:34] <apachelogger> nvm
[16:34]  * apachelogger is blind
[16:35] <apachelogger> woosh
[16:35] <apachelogger> KRF: must have been something at build or install time
[16:36] <apachelogger> cmpsvg: python-rsvg not installed, cannot compare SVG images
[16:36] <apachelogger> eh
[16:37] <apachelogger> WTH
[16:37] <KRF> apachelogger: i'm a bit confuzzled right now, /usr/share/kde4/apps/amarok/images/default-theme-clean.svg totally does not look like the file for the 2.4.0 tag in repo
[16:37] <apachelogger> weeeh
[16:37] <apachelogger> scour 0.25
[16:37] <apachelogger> KRF: something is compressing the svgs
[16:37] <KRF> ouch
[16:37] <apachelogger> weehehehe
[16:37] <apachelogger> part of the default build process it seems
[16:37] <KRF> since when?
[16:38] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:38] <apachelogger> I don't even know why
[16:38]  * KRF wonders why noone noticed that earlier
[16:38] <apachelogger> oh
[16:38] <apachelogger> guess what
[16:38] <KRF> the highlight color looks pretty out of shape
[16:38] <apachelogger> debian screwed us over
[16:38] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[16:38] <apachelogger> :P
[16:39] <apachelogger> oha
[16:39] <apachelogger> actually it is all Riddell's fault
[16:39] <apachelogger> :P
[16:39]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[16:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a minute?
[16:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: what did I do now?
[16:40] <KRF> screw that riddell!!!11
[16:40] <debfx> apachelogger: I've added the necessary dependencies to pkg-kde-tools so cmpsvg works
[16:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: introduce scour
[16:41] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:41] <debfx> at least for oneiric it shouldn't be a problem anymore
[16:41] <apachelogger> the question i have is
[16:41] <apachelogger> if the cmp fails, will it reject the compressed svg or what?
[16:41] <debfx> then it uses the original svg
[16:41] <apachelogger> ah
[16:41] <apachelogger> ok
[16:41] <apachelogger> so
[16:42] <apachelogger> no brainer
[16:42] <apachelogger> although
[16:42] <apachelogger> I have that natty too
[16:42] <apachelogger> and I do not have new packages
[16:42] <apachelogger> weeh
[16:42] <apachelogger> debfx: SRU for pkg-kde-tools && nochange SRU for amarok once pkg-kde-tools is through SRU process plz
[16:43] <debfx> apachelogger: go ahead :)
[16:43] <debfx> is there even a bug report?
[16:43] <apachelogger> I am too old for this
[16:43] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/786192
[16:45] <apachelogger> oh hold on
[16:45] <apachelogger> debfx: you uploaded that fix to natty?
[16:45] <apachelogger> pkg-kde-tools (0.9.3ubuntu10) natty; urgency=low
[16:45] <apachelogger>   * Re-enable Scour as python-scour has dropped the problematic dependencies.
[16:45] <apachelogger>  -- Felix Geyer <debfx-pkg@fobos.de>  Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:13:09 +0100
[16:46] <apachelogger> and even more so
[16:46] <apachelogger> debfx: that does not resolve the problem it appears
[16:46] <apachelogger> cause
[16:46] <apachelogger> cmpsvg: python-rsvg not installed, cannot compare SVG images
[16:46] <apachelogger> it would appear that python-rsvg is still not dragged in in oneiric
[16:47] <apachelogger> so we need an explicit dep in oneiric, SRU that to natty, and then rebuild amarok via SRU
[16:47] <debfx> it certainly is now
[16:47] <KRF> apachelogger: uhm, how can i check the last upgrade of amarok on my system?
[16:47] <KRF> give me some bash magic
[16:47] <debfx> is it even broken in plain natty? the bug report talks about 2.4.1
[16:47] <apachelogger> debfx: hm, perhaps uploaded before latest amaork build then
[16:47] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[16:48] <apachelogger> I have plain natty here
[16:48] <apachelogger> and the svg is fckd
[16:48] <apachelogger> also see build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/68211946/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.amarok_2%3A2.4.0-0ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:48] <KRF> purely fcked, i can attest
[16:49] <debfx> indeed
[16:50] <debfx> so yeah, no-change rebuild in oneiric and SRU pkg-kde-tools and amarok
[16:51] <debfx> assuming that cmpsvg detects the broken svg
[16:51] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, we probably should test that first ^^
[16:52] <apachelogger> uh
[16:52] <apachelogger> the oneiric rebuild should give us an idea ^^
[16:52] <apachelogger> debfx: at worst we'd introduce an env var to override scour, SRU that and then SRU amarok with the var exported
[16:52] <KRF> apachelogger: answer my question, lord of packaging
[17:01] <apachelogger> KRF: I do not compute the question pretty much
[17:01] <KRF> when...last..update...to..amarok..package on my system?
[17:01] <apachelogger> debfx: shall I assign you to the bugs?
[17:01] <apachelogger> KRF: ask the cloud
[17:01] <apachelogger> the log cloud
[17:01] <apachelogger> brrruhahaha
[17:01] <apachelogger> /var/log/dpkg.log
[17:01] <apachelogger> or maybe without .log
[17:01] <KRF> i see
[17:01] <KRF> apachelogger: so, since when this is all fcked up?
[17:01] <apachelogger> natty
[17:01] <apachelogger> dh_scour was introduced in natty the ubuntu manpages site says
[17:01] <debfx> apachelogger: yeah, though I would be worried if you continue to age that fast
[17:01] <debfx> looking at the bug report, cmpsvg will likely not solve the problem
[17:03] <apachelogger> KRF: in case you happen to know: does svgtinter hardcode the mappings?
[17:04] <debfx> apachelogger: it does a string based search/replace
[17:04] <apachelogger> because if so, then we should indeed introduce an overriding env var and thus provide scour from doing anything to amarok svg's
[17:04] <KRF> apachelogger: no idea
[17:04] <apachelogger> debfx: we want blacklisting for SRU then, and probably for oneiric too
[17:04] <KRF> apachelogger: ah, sorry. yes, it indeed is hardcoded
[17:05] <KRF> m_tintMap.insert( "#666765", App::instance()->palette().window().color().name() );
[17:05] <apachelogger> KRF: on a related note: you should gzip the svgs to svgz
[17:05] <KRF> "broken by design"
[17:05]  * apachelogger believes gzipping will be 300% more efficient than scour anyway
[17:05] <KRF> apachelogger: not sure if that makes sense wrt to versioning
[17:06] <apachelogger> KRF: gzipping?
[17:06] <apachelogger> gzipping makes always sense :P
[17:06] <KRF> gzipping and pushing it to Git?
[17:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:06] <apachelogger> it is not like anyone cares about svg markup :P
[17:06] <KRF> binary blobs are not really nice to `diff`
[17:06] <apachelogger> KRF: make it part of the build process then
[17:08] <KRF> apachelogger: not sure if this is going to be that trivial in CMake
[17:08] <debfx> apachelogger: scour and gzip are not mutually exclusive
[17:09] <apachelogger> course not, but gzip doesn't screw up your data :P
[17:12] <KRF> debfx: could you just gzip instead of using scour?
[17:12] <KRF> looks like our code could handle it
[17:13] <debfx> I'm sure there are applications that hardcode the svg filenames
[17:13] <KRF> debfx: sure, not globally. just for amarok
[17:13] <apachelogger> well
[17:13] <apachelogger> quite honestly I'd go a different direction altogether
[17:13] <apachelogger> make scour opt-in
[17:14] <apachelogger> I do not quite like the idea of having stuff screw with xml files for all kde packages
[17:15] <apachelogger> then again since there is a scour sequence anyway it is opt-in without us doing anything
[17:17] <debfx> maybe restrict it to main?
[17:17] <debfx> it would be interesting to know how much space it actually saves
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I like how the welcome package thread now has 57 mails
[17:18] <apachelogger> debfx: still too much option for breakage
[17:18] <debfx> but why don't we just fix SvgTinter?
[17:18] <apachelogger> you need to tightly check the software to ensure no new release suddenly breaks with scour
[17:19] <apachelogger> meaning you need to be aware of scour being used and you need to have the time to actually notice such things
[17:19] <apachelogger> which for the better part of our main packages is just not doable
[17:19] <apachelogger> debfx: because it woudl be a workaround to scour being a necessary evil
[17:19] <apachelogger> a necessary evil that only ought to be used when someone knows why whatfor and when it makes sense
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> morning gang
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes indeed
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: people screaming how they got their package
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should i 'contribute' :P
[17:30] <apachelogger> yplz
[17:30] <shadeslayer> oh anything interesting to do?
[17:30] <apachelogger> I fear if I tell people that eric brought it over personally they might get jealous
[17:30] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:30] <apachelogger> so I better not contribute
[17:31]  * apachelogger needs to go find some place where one could acquire eatables
[17:32] <KRF> apachelogger: guten
[17:36] <shadeslayer> "Harald Sitter has appeared online" :3
[17:40] <amorphous1> Riddell, ping
[17:43] <Riddell> hello amorphous1
[17:43] <amorphous1> Riddell, hello, I need to file a bug against a packahge but I'm not sure which one
[17:44] <Riddell> ...
[17:44] <amorphous1> Riddell, in KDE Keyboard preferences"→ Layouts → "Options…"→ "Key(s) to change layout
[17:44] <amorphous1> what is the package that manages that
[17:45] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace I expect
[17:45] <Riddell> although it's probably an upstream bug in which case -> bugs.kde.org
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ^^ on that note, are they really going to change bug trackers?
[17:45] <amorphous1> Riddell, thanks...that's the one
[17:45] <shadeslayer> someone threw in LP in the mix
[17:45]  * shadeslayer digs up emails
[17:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not that I know of
[17:49] <Riddell> there's a view that bugzilla has passed its use by date but there's no leading candidate to replace it
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently they're going to upgrade bugzilla to bugzilla 4
[17:49] <shadeslayer> thats what the sysadmin team is saying
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's on the plasma ML
[17:49]  * shadeslayer gets to merging choqok
[17:50] <Riddell> ok
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so, did you start with the bzr teams?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Scott said that you were away trying to adjust with them :D
[17:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I did, got some patches in
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ah 
[17:51] <Riddell> we had a sprint in London
[17:52] <shadeslayer> oh cool, can i expect LP not to time out next time when i copy like 100 packages? :P
[17:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i see you added kubuntu_02_fix_message_indicator.diff to choqok
[17:56] <shadeslayer> simple change replacing INDICATEQT_BUILD with QTINDICATE_BUILD
[17:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: alas launchpad timeouts are nothing to do with bzr
[17:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes I sent that upstream
[17:57]  * Riddell out
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh ... hasn't been applied :(
[17:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cya
[17:57] <Riddell> hmm, tsk, he said he would
[18:26] <shadeslayer> hmm.. would someone sponsor a merge request for choqok?
[19:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Some of us other council members conspired in your absence and decided that waiting and having the new council review/approve specs was more important than hitting some arbitrary deadline in the schedule.  I expect we'll schedule a meeting as soon as election results are known.
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> bbiab, 2nd interview time
[19:05] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: best of luck!
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[19:08] <jussi> Quintasan: apachelogger ping
[19:08] <jussi> Quintasan: apachelogger: my freescale boards just got updated to be shipped tomorrow. did you get a similar email? 
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: around ?
[19:27] <ScottK> Yes
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you sponsor 2 merges?
[19:27] <ScottK> ENOTIME for sponsoring right now.  Sorry.
[19:27] <shadeslayer> sure np
[19:28]  * shadeslayer files bug instead then
[19:31] <c2tarun> what does this class KFileMetaDataConfigurationWidget exactly do? in api its written that it configures what to be displayed from metadata but didn't explain how?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: the best place to ask would be #kde-devel
[19:32] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ok :)
[19:35] <DarkwingDuck> That's interesting.
[19:36] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: `??
[19:36] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: what happened? :D
[19:38] <yofel> he just found out how to fix the wiki? =þ
[19:39] <DarkwingDuck> The interview last 3 minutes and Jono wants to see a plan of action to refine, improve and grow the QA community by tuesday.
[19:43] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: good luck.
[19:43] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: Thanks Matre
[19:43] <DarkwingDuck> *Mate
[19:59] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110526185904-3snd3ly8wkcvhd1s * (3 files in 2 dirs) Check the result of QApt Batch in InstallEvent before we triumphantly declare success. (LP: #745133)
[19:59] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110526185921-xdz5seqywv7r1y5l * debian/changelog Set to UNRELEASED
[21:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around?
[21:20] <shadeslayer> sheytan: the screenshots on your blog are from KDE 4.7 ?
[21:20] <shadeslayer> ah yes, google translate says so
[21:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer the latest ones?
[21:21] <shadeslayer> yes
[21:21] <sheytan> yes, neon
[21:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer: why?
[21:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:21] <shadeslayer> i should open up neon then :P
[21:21] <shadeslayer> i haven't opened neon in like a month ^_^
[21:21] <sheytan> fix akonadi please :D
[21:22] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hahaha 
[21:22] <shadeslayer> sheytan: you can export a var and it start working
[21:22] <shadeslayer> yofel documented it afaik
[21:51]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[21:52] <shadeslayer> night
[22:11] <shadeslayer> hey apachelogger, i found your spaceshit http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/05/normandy.jpg
[22:11] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[22:11] <shadeslayer> i meant ship
[22:11] <shadeslayer> *facepalm*
[22:21] <ryrych> can you tell me the name of high-end and good looking laptop that uses ubuntu/kubuntu? good for marketing purposes?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> ryrych: google for zareason
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone know where the reordings form UDS are located?
[22:22] <ryrych> shadeslayer: ok, but what about Dell that Canonical on ubuntu.com advertises?
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> form/from
[22:23] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: one sec
[22:24] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: http://ubuntu.mirocommunity.org/ 
[22:24] <shadeslayer> ryrych: i have no idea on that
[22:24] <ryrych> ok
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: you are amazing
[22:24] <shadeslayer> i tried to get a Ubuntu powered laptop, but i couldn't get one from Dell
[22:25] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: *hugs*
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: *hugs* XD
[22:25] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: alot of them are on youtube as well
[22:25] <shadeslayer> ubuntudevelopers is the user iirc
[22:27] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhhh hah... This is what I was looking for... http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/
[22:28] <shadeslayer> thats a new one
[22:28]  * shadeslayer adds to bookmarks
[22:29] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: ah you meant audio recordings
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> aye
[22:32] <ScottK> ryrych: The systems you can get from Dell with Ubuntu on them are 'not very good.'
[22:41] <ScottK> I've bought quite a number of Dells and the pre-installed Ubuntu ones never made the grade.
[22:42] <ScottK> Zareason is a great choice for Kubuntu preinstalled.
[22:43] <DarkwingDuck> Zareason ++
[23:05] <valorie> Zareason are Good Folks
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> Reminds me of this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/9/17/ (coarse language)
[23:20] <DarkwingDuck> XD