=== Cammmy is now known as Cammy [00:15] how do I re-run a package installation so that it will ask me again if I want to keep or replace a new configuration file? [00:45] hi [00:45] there's this "knetworkmanager" window constantly open [00:46] is there anyway to close that without restarting computer and losing network connection? [00:47] ie if i kill hte process from System Monitor [00:47] :D [01:28] hmm anyone? [01:28] :D [02:11] whats the name of that regex builder application? I guess it only helps :p === acer is now known as acer__ === acer__ is now known as acer_ === acer_ is now known as acer__ === acer__ is now known as Mavia === Mavia is now known as Mavia_Programmer === Cammmy is now known as Cammy [03:47] I had a rt2500 wireless card that needed blobs to work. I never asked for the blobs and never really used the wireless card. I physically removed the wireless card and just want to use the lan connection. how can I make sure the wireless drivers if any are removed? [03:54] vbgunz: the driver won't load if the hardware isn't there anymore iirc [03:54] I think he wants to remove the actual drivers from his system.. [03:55] vbgunz: but you can add a file to /etc/modprobe.d to keep them from loading [03:56] there are various blacklist files in there. [03:56] I just believe I might be having a problem due to those drivers. I am not sure if they're loading. just trying to eliminate the possibility I guess [03:57] the command lsmod will list what is loaded [03:57] so you can check [03:59] thanks claydoh, I don't see it, nothing even familiar to it, it probably isn't an issue. just never really wanted the wireless card and I only put it in and forgot due to some troubleshooting I had to do with the motherboard [04:10] I would like for this to work "echo noop > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler" before the system is finished booting up. as early as possible. I prefer not to use elevator=noop as I only really want to target a single disk. root will need to execute this file. anybody know how to do this? help? [04:15] man google is killing me. I used to remember how to do this. it's a single file that's executed before a gui ever shows up. it's run with admin priviledges. something init and I can't find it :/ [04:28] gotta hack to get things done. im feeling terribly sick and just no brain power to do things right [04:29] brb, gonna see if my hack works === dan___ is now known as dan_l [04:31] I have a KDE annoyance. When I first login, kwallet comes up wanting to authorize kdedaemon [04:31] If I do not punch in the password quick enough [04:32] kopete won't connect, nor will googsystray. I believe this are symptoms of the same issue. [04:32] kwallet is set for always allow === maco2 is now known as maco === jkaegi_ is now known as jkaegi [07:35] hello. yesterday I wrongly hit a button instead of "shut down". I can't remember if it was "suspend to RAM" or "suspend to Disk". The screen went black, but the unit led remained lit (on). [07:36] Now, how can I restart my computer? [07:36] Any combination of keys I tried, didn't bring it to life again [07:37] nor it worked hitting briefly the on/off switch [07:39] Really nobody know how to return to life from a suspend???? === d is now known as Guest44075 [07:59] Hey guys, can I load up a specifications list and have somebody tell me if my computer can run visual effects? And if so, how do I do it? [08:09] Hey guys, how can I find out if my system will run Visual Effects without problems? [08:10] I'm unfamiliar with most Linux system commands, so I don't know how to find my system specifications. [08:19] Whoa. [08:19] Hey guys, how can I find out if my system will run Visual Effects without problems? [08:21] Any ideas? [08:24] Yup. My IRC client sucks. [08:29] i never thought about it before but i now realize i haven't done it before... how do i mount a cd iso? [08:30] eristikophiles: try this http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/musicvideophotos/C/burning-cds.html [08:30] what i have to physically burn a CD to mount an iso?! [08:31] that seems silly. there's no alcohol 120 / daemontools / ultraiso app for linux? how can that be? [08:31] I'm not sure. I'm still looking. [08:31] found one [08:32] furiousisomount [08:32] package [08:32] :) [08:32] Down to loop mount http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html [08:32] eristikophiles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [08:32] i guess i didn't think it through. i figured there would be a shell command or something [08:32] At the bottom of that page I linked you to, there are instructions to mounting an ISO without burning them to a CD, eristikophiles [08:32] eristikophiles: There is. It's called loop mount [08:32] is there a way to reload the kde notification system? [08:33] I find kde crashes and then I'm stuck with gtk notifications [08:33] aperson, are you talking about the KNotify manager? [08:33] oh [08:33] i tried that except without the -o loop and it gave me an error and said to try -o loop [08:33] i guess that was sort of silly of me then. [08:33] :) [08:33] lol [08:34] * LINKSWORD2 pokes eristikophiles with a sharp stick.* [08:34] LINKSWORD2⤳ I believe so [08:35] Just a second. I'm looking for something I can use to help you. [08:35] I just tried killing it and restarting it (I noticed it was running before I killed it) [08:35] lol [08:37] I'm sorry aperson, but the document I have found is not providing any relevant help at the moment. Allow me to keep searching.' [08:37] LINKSWORD2⤳ thanks, I've been searching for a couple days [08:38] It's very odd to see kde apps using gnome notifications :S [08:48] When I attempt to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 or even to 11.04, the request in the Konsole terminal says that there are no newer versions available. Any help on this? [08:58] Excuse me. Any time I search for upgrades via command line, I get a reply that says there are no new versions available. I'm currently running Kubuntu 10.04 LTS, so the reply is false, considering that 10.10 and 11.04 are both available. [09:18] I need help upgrading. [09:28] LINKSWORD2: it would help if you stuck around longer than 2 minutes for an answer [09:28] LINKSWORD2: you need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to check for "normal" releases [09:31] I'm sorry. My IRC client sucks. [09:31] So what exactly do I need to do? [09:32] LINKSWORD2: change "Prompt=lts" to "Prompt=normal" [09:32] then run the updater again [09:32] Where do I change that? (Linux n00b here.) [09:33] as I said, in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [09:33] In the Konsole terminal? [09:33] you can use "kdesudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" [09:33] or "sudo nano /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" for terminal [09:35] OK. Let me try that. [09:37] What commands can I use to upgrade if I have a burned CD in the disc drive? [10:00] hi [10:01] how can i add keyboard layouts for kdm login? [10:23] have some pulseaudio-questions... is this here the right irc for it? [10:25] um .. [10:25] you can ask here [10:25] ok, i have a 5.1 sound system and use kubuntu natty [10:26] sound is realy bad all the time. [10:26] the subwoofer sounds like a whawha [10:26] the other channels have some scratchy noise if i change soundvolume over kmix [10:27] now i found this page http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE#Phonon [10:27] I'm honestly an ALSA fan , I hardly use Pulse Audio at all [10:28] (me too, pulseaudio seems to be a realy bad choice at the moment for kubuntu)... would be fine if its stable.. but till startup its bad for me [10:28] here a screenshot of my multimedia-section: [10:29] wow, wait, [10:29] seems that i have done something, that could make it work [10:30] now i only have Pulseaudio-Sound-Server as Hardware listet in the multimedia-manager. [10:30] before it was like 3 image in the above send wiki === mig is now known as Guest71125 [10:46] how do I install KDE 4.7 beta? [10:49] ecinx: get the source and compile it [10:50] there's no package for kubuntu? [10:52] no, or at least not yet, the focus is more on the stable updates [10:54] oh ok [10:54] thx [10:55] hi, 11.04 here, if I logout (since I want login with a different user) the screen just becomes monocrome and I only see the cursor, not login dialog. Known issue? [11:10] i overwrote master boot record for the HD is there anyway to restore it without using live CD or similar.. without restarting computer? [11:13] surunveri: follow the process at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub you only need to use the LiveCD if you are running the system from the HDD you need to install grub to [11:13] ok not possible [11:14] changing the MBR of a disk with partitions mounted can be somewhat dangerous [11:14] well [11:14] you mean like how? [11:14] :D [11:16] right now i cant restar the computer because then it wont start [11:16] doesnt get much worse anyway [11:16] ? [11:17] you can try just running the commands from the running system, I guess you can't do too much more damage [11:17] kk [11:44] Hey guys, can anybody tell me how to get Java Runtime Environment in Kubuntu? The guides I've looked at so far aren't any help [11:45] !info sun-java6-jre [11:45] Package sun-java6-jre does not exist in natty [11:46] oh thats right, hang on [11:46] Jussi: Thanks for the help :) [11:46] !info default-jre [11:46] default-jre (source: java-common (0.40ubuntu1)): Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.6-40ubuntu1 (natty), package size 0 kB, installed size 20 kB [11:46] Axtra: ^^ [11:46] Mamarok: thanks for responding to bug 777639 (KDE bug 249095). Amarok is currently hanging here. I haven't killed it yet. Can you tell me how to provide a backtrace? Those crashes aren't picked up by apport. [11:46] Launchpad bug 777639 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Amarok hangs while holding down of next/previous track hotkey" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777639 [11:46] KDE bug 249095 in general "Amarok crashes after pressing "next track" (global hotkey)" [Crash,Resolved: backtrace] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249095 [11:48] Thanks jussi: it seems to be working [11:48] I looked at ~/.kde/share/config/amarok*, but there's nothing out-of-the ordinary there. Personally, I think the advice to erase config files is too easily given. This isn't Mac OS. [11:48] Axtra: yw [11:48] alvin: well, you should install debugging symbols for it, and then run it from a konsole with the options -d --nofork [11:49] Mamarok: ah, for the next crash. ok. [11:49] alvin: just erase that file, it will be rebuilt automatically with the current setup [11:49] Will do [11:49] there are settings in there for the mysql database [11:49] but of course kill amarok first, erase the configuration files in that folder (there are 3) [11:50] you use an external db? [11:50] Well, yes. On the same computer. [11:50] that is not really necessary, unless you want to share the collection on several computers, the capacity and speed is the same for embedded [11:50] One mysql server for all those desktop applications that need a database (akonadi, amarok,...) [11:51] still, the database is written to another folder [11:52] It's not for sharing. The idea was to speed up akonadi and reduce the number of crashes (too much). But I can use Amarok without external mysql for a while. [11:52] oooooow [11:53] Mamarok: I killed Amarok and that causes KDE bug 258706. (scary) [11:53] KDE bug 258706 in general "Plasma crash in [QString, KIconEffect::fingerprint, KIconLoaderPrivate::makeCacheKey, KIconLoader::loadIcon]" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258706 === phoenix is now known as Guest89527 [11:57] is there a ppa for kde 4.7 beta 1 [11:57] Has anybody here used Remus Information Management? [11:59] Guest89527: it will be announced on http://kubuntu.org/news once it is ready [11:59] Mamarok: ok === matic is now known as Guest68842 [12:01] Mamarok: will the daily build contain the beta? [12:02] Mamarok: i think i am asking a wrong question [12:02] Mamarok: got it! (I erased the settings, started with $ amarok -d --nofork | tee debug.txt played and kept pressing 'next'. Eventually it crashed.) [12:03] Mamarok: hi :) [12:03] plasma going down.... [12:04] alvin: what? [12:04] Guest89527: plasma never crashes on you? [12:04] alvin: no [12:04] alvin: everything is very stable [12:05] depending on the context Guest89527 [12:05] Guest89527: You're not serious? No plasma crashes, akonadi crashes, nepomuk zombies, amarok crashes and a load of kded processes at 100%? [12:05] alvin: what is your gpu? [12:05] i5 [12:06] alvin: ya, i am very happy about that. i like the OS [12:06] Mamarok: ?? [12:06] Guest68842: he is talking about a crash on Amarok quit, not just Plasma [12:06] alvin: I had that a few times, but it should not happen anymore with Amarok 2.4.1 [12:07] Yes, actually it is fixed in the upcoming version (the plasma crash). [12:07] alvin: you mean the plasma crashes due to amarok or you just talking about plasma> [12:07] Mamarok: people in that report all talk about Amarok crashing on them, but I haven't seen any bug reports about the particular crash. I assumed it could be the issue I'm reporting. [12:07] alvin: you talk about the plasma version? [12:08] alvin: without a backtrace it is impossible to say [12:08] Mamarok: did he tried deleting the settings? [12:08] There are a lot of bugs I'm suffering from. I'll take the time to update some bug reports today. But I can't be the only one? [12:08] I did [12:09] Guest89527: of course, don't worry, I can handle that :) [12:09] alvin: there is some problem with nvidia driver that may cause the crash of plasma. is your gpu nvidia? [12:09] Mamarok: sure :) [12:09] whatever... [12:10] Guest89527: Yes, but I'm well aware of that bug. (I'm the original reporter on Launchpad) [12:10] I didn't resize the konsole here ;-) [12:10] alvin: ya [12:11] alvin: did you try the latest nvidia drivers [12:12] there was some blog post about the difficulty of reporting bugs that lead to kded using 100% CPU. I'd like to find it, because it happens often en doesn't go away when logging off. It does when rebooting, but that panics the kernel, so I try to avoid reboots. [12:12] Guest89527: I'm not aware of more recent drivers. [12:13] alvin: i think the kded 100% cpu thing is due to the network service === sergio_ is now known as Guest80379 [12:14] Guest89527: I have no idea what it might be. Can you elaborate or point to a bug? [12:14] There is an old bug (Jaunty) that gets updated a lot these days, but this might be something else. [12:14] alvin: does it kded carsh when you disconnect from a wifi or a 3g connection? [12:15] Guest89527: No, I only have a static interface defined. No wifi or 3g in this machine. [12:16] alvin: Did you find which service is causing kded to crash? [12:16] Guest89527: No, that's the difficult part. I wouldn't know how to identify the right service. [12:16] I just installed Nevernote, but I can't seem to find it to start the program - anybody know where I should go to find it? [12:17] j sloavenia [12:19] !info nevernote [12:19] Package nevernote does not exist in natty [12:19] Axtra: sorry, I don't know nevernote [12:22] Mamarok: This time the 'Crash Reporting Assistant' appeard, so it was easy to attach a backtrace. [DONE] [12:22] alvin: thanks :) [12:23] alvin: at first sight it seems to be a problem with a 3-rd party script [12:23] try disabling your scripts [12:23] ok [12:23] if you find out which it is, you should report this to the script author on http://kde-apps.org [12:23] disabled Lyricwiki, Cool Streams and Librivox.org [12:23] these are internal ones, I talk about external scripts [12:24] I didn't install external scripts. It really is default. [12:25] alvin: also, you need to install amarok-dbg [12:25] hello [12:25] Mamarok: Ow, you're right. It's not installed. (I saw 3 stars, so I thought this was ok) [12:26] well, because the crash is not caused by amarok, but by a script, are you sure you have no residual script installations? [12:26] I use a few scripts here and don't see that happen on 2.4-git [12:27] Mamarok: Pretty sure. This is basic kubuntu with some extra applications. Where should I find these scripts? [12:28] What's happening to my screen here? http://i.imgur.com/TrW3Q.jpg http://i.imgur.com/SxrWq.jpg (screenshot and camera picture, respectively), kubuntu 11.04 with nvidia binary driver. Doesn't occur on my ubuntu/gnome installation. [12:28] if you go to the Amarok menu Tools [12:28] wrong, it's in configuration, at the bottom, sorry [12:29] cousin_mario: likely a driver issue [12:30] cousin_mario: can you check if it occurs after disabling desktop effects? [12:30] Mamarok: I'll look in a moment :-) right now, I reproduced the crash again. No drkonqi this time and no automatic kill. I think we can safely disregard the crash with a backtrace. It must have been another bug. The behaviour is different. [12:30] phoenix_firebrd: I can't see much: is there a way to disable them from the command line? [12:30] (plasma going doooown) [12:31] alvin: hey [12:31] cousin_mario: i dont know [12:31] however it started occurring right after having installed virtualbox-4.0: could there be a link? [12:31] Hey, I also have pictures like that :-) [12:32] alvin: like mine? [12:32] cousin_mario: what is your nvidia driver version [12:32] phoenix_firebrd: 270 I believe [12:32] the official one [12:32] cousin_mario: Yes. Problem is that I can't see them now, or I would upload them. [12:33] cousin_mario: can you give me the full version number. [12:34] phoenix_firebrd: I'll have to restart for that, just a moment please. [12:34] cousin_mario: sure [12:34] Mamarok: Can I attach the output to the bug report? It's a lot of text. 1.9MB. Should I zip it or is it not needed entirely? [12:35] Mamarok: Last line before the crash is amarok: END__: void Playlist::Actions::next() [Took: 0.022s] [12:35] That even doesn't look abnormal to me. [12:36] After that, it hangs with the OSD displaying the title of the song. [12:36] phoenix_firebrd: back [12:36] phoenix_firebrd: ii nvidia-current 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 [12:36] problem is not occurring atm [12:36] cousin_mario: when does this occur [12:36] cousin_mario: start konsole, resize it with the mouse. Then report back :-) [12:37] cousin_mario: no [12:37] alvin: wait [12:37] cousin_mario: no [12:37] ha ha ha [12:37] cousin_mario: those are the instructions to reproduce, so, yes: phoenix_firebrd is warning you here [12:39] alvin: probably his system crashes :) [12:39] alvin: no, only the last 100 lines or so, you can attach those as text to the bug report [12:39] Mamarok: thanks. Will do. [12:40] or even better, paste it directly in the comment [12:40] phoenix_firebrd: Yes, I should have warned him in the same line. [12:40] the damn thing froze [12:40] ha ha ha [12:40] That wasn't very polite of me, but hey. this one is just too easy. [12:40] cousin_mario: wb :) [12:41] * alvin is so glad he didn't upgrade the whole company to natty. [12:41] People would be at my door with torches and pitchforks. [12:42] and it froze again [12:42] now I'm on XFCE as precaution [12:42] alvin: natty is a firework [12:43] natty is great [12:43] phoenix_firebrd: is it? [12:43] ya, it is. Its the 3rd party soft that is causing these crashes [12:43] phoenix_firebrd: unity and the half-baked thing that's gnome-classic are the reason why I'm experimenting with KDE in the first place:) [12:44] cousin_mario: welcome to the real world [12:44] phoenix_firebrd: ok, I just uninstalled virtualbox [12:44] I'm not entirely convinced the proprietary driver is the sole cause here. [12:44] it worked for a while [12:45] And the kernel panics I have on shutdown are certainly not third-party. [12:45] whoteva [12:45] what would you recommend to ameliorate my predicament? [12:45] alvin: what do you mean? [12:46] alvin: i dont get those problems [12:46] phoenix_firebrd: Easy to reproduce. If I shutdown the machine, the kernel panics during shutdown. [12:46] alvin: strange [12:46] there's always something crashing when I log out from KDE, but I can live with that [12:46] alvin: is the backports turned on? [12:46] phoenix_firebrd: No, I figure it must be something I alone use. I think it's because I'm using this system as an NFS client. [12:47] do you think I should disable the effects then? [12:47] hello ,everybody [12:47] phoenix_firebrd: Yes, but these panics where there before the final release. I don't think they are KDE related. [12:47] Hey guys. I just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10. Unfortunately now, my computer loads Kubuntu, but doesn't seem to do anything. It's like it freezes at the OS load. [12:47] cousin_mario: try that [12:48] cousin_mario: there are several workarounds in bug 760632 [12:48] Launchpad bug 760632 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Resizing Konsole crashes the whole system" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760632 [12:48] is there chinese? [12:48] lol [12:48] LINKSWORD2: any more information? What do you see at the moment of the freeze? [12:48] alvin: will kernel panic due to network soft issues? [12:49] !chinese [12:49] 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn、/join #ubuntu-tw 或 /join #ubuntu-hk。 [12:49] No other info. It loads the background image on the desktop, the little gold plasma swirl thing, and the mouse cursor. [12:49] Apart from that, it's frozen. [12:50] phoenix_firebrd: I'll do a test. Can take a while. [12:50] alvin: now? [12:50] phoenix_firebrd: Yes [12:50] :o [12:50] hi. i have a problem with skype it always crashes [12:50] alvin: ok i will wait [12:50] Screw Skype. It always crashes anyway. [12:50] lol [12:51] the_p_: can you try with sudo command [12:51] LINKSWORD2: sounds like your plasma config is messed up [12:51] What do I do, then, jussi? [12:51] it was a serious question when i start it it says just aborted on the command line during the log in. [12:51] LINKSWORD2: remove or rename your plasma config files? [12:51] i can't use it at all [12:52] the_p_: can you run the program in terminal with sudo ? [12:52] I didn't change any of them. [12:53] New info: The launch bar is coming up, but only the top border and the left & right ends. None of its contents. [12:53] LINKSWORD2: no, that is what I would say do to see if it fixes. [12:53] phoenix_firebrd: then it does not start with the message No protocol specified [12:53] phoenix_firebrd: no good, rebooted again [12:54] I don't see how I would do that. I'm stuck. [12:54] the_p_: hmmm, bad [12:54] phoenix_firebrd: but at least now it's not showing up again [12:54] the_p_: can you try reinstalling . Purge the config also [12:55] cousin_mario: gooood [12:55] phoenix_firebrd: i already did both of this [12:55] jussi, may I do a one-on-one chat? [12:55] cousin_mario: wait till the new nvidia driver is available for update or you could try the ppas [12:55] LINKSWORD2: no, hang on a sec [12:56] :/ [12:56] phoenix_firebrd: ppa for a beta nvidia release? [12:56] the_p_: the gtk apps dont work well in kubuntu [12:57] cousin_mario: ya [12:57] phoenix_firebrd: got a pointer to that? [12:57] ok the skype problem is not specific to me it also does not work for others. [12:57] cousin_mario: wait [12:57] I've been able to pull up the Alt+F2 menu and click on the system resources icon. Plasma-desktop is using a LOT of memory. :\ [12:58] LINKSWORD2: press ctrl+alt+f3. login. do: mv .kde/share/config/ .kde/share/config1 [12:58] restart [12:58] OK. Hang on a moment. [13:00] phoenix_firebrd: Back. Problem here is that the log says: kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. The kernel panic occurs after that. [13:00] Filed it as bug 760494 [13:00] Launchpad bug 760494 in linux (Ubuntu) "Natty: 2.6.38-8. shutdown causes kernel to panic" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760494 [13:00] alvin: good [13:01] Ugh. Crashed. [13:01] Anyway jussi, what's the command for restarting via command-line? [13:01] LINKSWORD2: sudo reboot [13:02] Nice. :D [13:02] Now we see if my machine commits suicide in the process of rebooting. [13:02] phoenix_firebrd: I wrote something down and found that the bug was already reported. Mine is a duplicate. Other people succeeded in logging it because the panic occurs during work for them. [13:02] It's bug 769927 [13:02] Launchpad bug 769927 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel Oops : Dentry still in use (1) [unmount of nfs4 0:1d]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769927 [13:02] cousin_mario: ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates [13:03] lol @ ubottu [13:03] Like I thought: It is NFS related. [13:03] the_p_: strange, my machine just started same with skype. [13:03] Loading. Harddrive. Settings. Global. Desktop. KDE. [13:03] I wonder if its an update. [13:03] Ubuntu should really learn that NFS is not replaced by samba. There are still people who use it. [13:03] It appears, I'm in. [13:04] LINKSWORD2: :) [13:04] alvin: yes it is. Nfs daemon [13:05] Now I need to restore some lost settings and hope I don't get screwed in the process. [13:05] It's the default file sharing for Linux/Unix. Please, please support it. I have begged for this on the ubuntu server mailinglist and asked Canonical directly to not disregard the existence of NFS. Yet they never test NFS with new releases. [13:07] alvin: may be they are more concern with samba [13:08] GAH! [13:08] It did it again. [13:09] jussi, would I have better luck perhaps by upgrading to 11.04? [13:09] phoenix_firebrd: Probably, but that's catering to the wrong crowd. If they want to be taken seriously by businesses they need to put Linux/Unix compatibility above Windows compatibility. [13:10] If they did that, Linux wouldn't be free. >.> [13:10] LINKSWORD2: What makes you think that? [13:10] * LINKSWORD2 shoots Se7en in the head. [13:11] Easy. Windows makes its money by being compatible with just enough stuff to get out into the mainstream and the workforce... [13:11] And not being compatible by just enough to need pain in the ass updates. [13:11] Canonical's business model is not based on selling Ubuntu. It's based on selling commercial support. [13:12] alvin: and engineering services [13:12] lol [13:12] jussi, it did it again. Don't know if you saw that before. [13:12] Hmm, compatibility is not the main issue for businesses. I administer a very mixed environment. We use what we have to. [13:12] Would I have better luck upgrading to Natty? (11.04) ? [13:12] LINKSWORD2: did it again? what did you do in the time between it working and not working? [13:13] Just grabbed the edge of the launchbar so that I could see it on screen. [13:14] If Windows is the best tool, you'll use Windows. Imitating doesn't cut it. If you want ot be competitive, you don't need half-assed compatibility, because you'll always loose. You'll need a solution that can stand by itself. If you have linux servers, linux desktops and NO Windows, will you then use Windows file sharing between them? [13:14] And then it died. lol [13:14] Windows isn't the best. lol [13:14] LINKSWORD2: I would say try updating to 11.04, but Im really not sure whats causing this [13:14] OK. [13:15] I think this question has been asked here like a million times but there will be KDE 4.7 Beta 1 packages for Kubuntu wont there? [13:15] alvin: I think they are concentrating on attracting the windows users. Some of the examples are use of xml in libree office that is more compatable with microsoft document formats, samba... [13:15] If you want the best, use an Apple machine. Their hardware & software are designed to work together seamlessly. [13:15] BajK: +1 [13:15] howdy [13:15] BluesKaj: hello [13:16] Hey there, BluesKaj [13:16] ''Screw this. Time to upgrade to 11.04." [13:16] hi phoenix_firebrd , LINKSWORD2, BajK [13:17] phoenix_firebrd: Yes, and that's where they will loose the battle. They need a complete solution instead of trying to be compatible. Businesses don't take that risk. Besides, they offer Landscape at the same price of a Windows license. You can hardly compare an operating system to a tool to remotely reboot it. [13:17] phoenix_firebrd: thanks man [13:17] BajK, I would assume so, as there have been KDE Beta packages before the previous full releases. [13:17] I see no reason not to. [13:17] dunno if there have been packages for Beta 1 always, but the RCs have been there all the time and Beta 2 [13:18] cousin_mario: you are welcome [13:18] LINKSWORD2: I don't like Windows either, but it sure crashes a lot less than Ubuntu. (This is Windows ME all over again). Apple is not really fit for commercial usage. It's only for managers to show off, but don't try to administer a network with Mac's. That's a nightmare. [13:18] LMAO! [13:19] alvin, I've done plenty of work with all 3. (Linux, WXP, OSX.) [13:19] alvin: thats because windows release is a lts release [13:19] LINKSWORD2: Oh really? What did you use for file storage. [13:20]