[00:15] <amichair> how do I re-run a package installation so that it will ask me again if I want to keep or replace a new configuration file?
[00:45] <surunveri> hi
[00:45] <surunveri> there's this "knetworkmanager" window constantly open
[00:46] <surunveri> is there anyway to close that without restarting computer and losing network connection?
[00:47] <surunveri> ie if i kill hte process from System Monitor
[00:47] <surunveri> :D
[01:28] <surunveri> hmm anyone?
[01:28] <surunveri> :D
[02:11] <new2net> whats the name of that regex builder application? I guess it only helps :p
[03:47] <vbgunz> I had a rt2500 wireless card that needed blobs to work. I never asked for the blobs and never really used the wireless card. I physically removed the wireless card and just want to use the lan connection. how can I make sure the wireless drivers if any are removed?
[03:54] <claydoh> vbgunz: the driver won't load if the hardware isn't there anymore iirc
[03:54] <Keshl> I think he wants to remove the actual drivers from his system..
[03:55] <claydoh> vbgunz: but you can add a file to /etc/modprobe.d to keep them from loading
[03:56] <claydoh> there are various blacklist files in there.
[03:56] <vbgunz> I just believe I might be having a problem due to those drivers. I am not sure if they're loading. just trying to eliminate the possibility I guess
[03:57] <claydoh> the command lsmod will list what is loaded
[03:57] <claydoh> so you can check
[03:59] <vbgunz> thanks claydoh, I don't see it, nothing even familiar to it, it probably isn't an issue. just never really wanted the wireless card and I only put it in and forgot due to some troubleshooting I had to do with the motherboard
[04:10] <vbgunz> I would like for this to work "echo noop > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler" before the system is finished booting up. as early as possible. I prefer not to use elevator=noop as I only really want to target a single disk. root will need to execute this file. anybody know how to do this? help?
[04:15] <vbgunz> man google is killing me. I used to remember how to do this. it's a single file that's executed before a gui ever shows up. it's run with admin priviledges. something init and I can't find it :/
[04:28] <vbgunz> gotta hack to get things done. im feeling terribly sick and just no brain power to do things right
[04:29] <vbgunz> brb, gonna see if my hack works
[04:31] <dan_l> I have a KDE annoyance.  When I first login, kwallet comes up wanting to authorize kdedaemon
[04:31] <dan_l> If I do not punch in the password quick enough
[04:32] <dan_l> kopete won't connect, nor will googsystray.  I believe this are symptoms of the same issue.
[04:32] <dan_l> kwallet is set for always allow
[07:35] <franzmaximilian> hello. yesterday I wrongly hit a button instead of "shut down". I can't remember if it was "suspend to RAM" or "suspend to Disk".  The screen went black, but the unit led remained lit (on).
[07:36] <franzmaximilian> Now, how can I restart my computer?
[07:36] <franzmaximilian> Any combination of keys I tried, didn't bring it to life again
[07:37] <franzmaximilian> nor it worked hitting briefly the on/off switch
[07:39] <franzmaximilian> Really nobody know how to return to life from a suspend????
[07:59] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, can I load up a specifications list and have somebody tell me if my computer can run visual effects? And if so, how do I do it?
[08:09] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, how can I find out if my system will run Visual Effects without problems?
[08:10] <LINKSWORD2> I'm unfamiliar with most Linux system commands, so I don't know how to find my system specifications.
[08:19] <LINKSWORD2> Whoa.
[08:19] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, how can I find out if my system will run Visual Effects without problems?
[08:21] <LINKSWORD2> Any ideas?
[08:24] <LINKSWORD2> Yup. My IRC client sucks.
[08:29] <eristikophiles> i never thought about it before but i now realize i haven't done it before... how do i mount a cd iso?
[08:30] <LINKSWORD2> eristikophiles: try this http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/musicvideophotos/C/burning-cds.html
[08:30] <eristikophiles> what i have to physically burn a CD to mount an iso?!
[08:31] <eristikophiles> that seems silly. there's no alcohol 120 / daemontools / ultraiso app for linux? how can that be?
[08:31] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not sure. I'm still looking.
[08:31] <eristikophiles> found one
[08:32] <eristikophiles> furiousisomount
[08:32] <eristikophiles> package
[08:32] <eristikophiles> :)
[08:32] <Unit193> Down to loop mount http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
[08:32] <FloodBotK1> eristikophiles: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:32] <eristikophiles> i guess i didn't think it through. i figured there would be a shell command or something
[08:32] <LINKSWORD2> At the bottom of that page I linked you to, there are instructions to mounting an ISO without burning them to a CD, eristikophiles
[08:32] <Unit193> eristikophiles: There is. It's called loop mount
[08:32] <aperson> is there a way to reload the kde notification system?
[08:33] <aperson> I find kde crashes and then I'm stuck with gtk notifications
[08:33] <LINKSWORD2> aperson, are you talking about the KNotify manager?
[08:33] <eristikophiles> oh
[08:33] <eristikophiles> i tried that except without the -o loop and it gave me an error and said to try -o loop
[08:33] <eristikophiles> i guess that was sort of silly of me then.
[08:33] <eristikophiles> :)
[08:33] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[08:34]  * LINKSWORD2 pokes eristikophiles with a sharp stick.*
[08:34] <aperson> LINKSWORD2⤳ I believe so
[08:35] <LINKSWORD2> Just a second. I'm looking for something I can use to help you.
[08:35] <aperson> I just tried killing it and restarting it (I noticed it was running before I killed it)
[08:35] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[08:37] <LINKSWORD2> I'm sorry aperson, but the document I have found is not providing any relevant help at the moment. Allow me to keep searching.'
[08:37] <aperson> LINKSWORD2⤳ thanks, I've been searching for a couple days
[08:38] <aperson> It's very odd to see kde apps using gnome notifications :S
[08:48] <LINKSWORD2> When I attempt to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 or even to 11.04, the request in the Konsole terminal says that there are no newer versions available. Any help on this?
[08:58] <LINKSWORD2> Excuse me. Any time I search for upgrades via command line, I get a reply that says there are no new versions available. I'm currently running Kubuntu 10.04 LTS, so the reply is false, considering that 10.10 and 11.04 are both available.
[09:18] <LINKSWORD2> I need help upgrading.
[09:28] <tsimpson> LINKSWORD2: it would help if you stuck around longer than 2 minutes for an answer
[09:28] <tsimpson> LINKSWORD2: you need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to check for "normal" releases
[09:31] <LINKSWORD2> I'm sorry. My IRC client sucks.
[09:31] <LINKSWORD2> So what exactly do I need to do?
[09:32] <tsimpson> LINKSWORD2: change "Prompt=lts" to "Prompt=normal"
[09:32] <tsimpson> then run the updater again
[09:32] <LINKSWORD2> Where do I change that? (Linux n00b here.)
[09:33] <tsimpson> as I said, in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[09:33] <LINKSWORD2> In the Konsole terminal?
[09:33] <tsimpson> you can use "kdesudo kate /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[09:33] <tsimpson> or "sudo nano /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" for terminal
[09:35] <LINKSWORD2> OK. Let me try that.
[09:37] <LINKSWORD2> What commands can I use to upgrade if I have a burned CD in the disc drive?
[10:00] <fayaz_> hi
[10:01] <fayaz_> how can i add keyboard layouts for kdm login?
[10:23] <rethus> have some pulseaudio-questions... is this here the right irc for it?
[10:25] <ArchangelSe7en> um ..
[10:25] <ArchangelSe7en> you can ask here
[10:25] <rethus> ok, i have a 5.1 sound system and use kubuntu natty
[10:26] <rethus> sound is realy bad all the time.
[10:26] <rethus> the subwoofer sounds like a whawha
[10:26] <rethus> the other channels have some scratchy noise if i change soundvolume over kmix
[10:27] <rethus> now i found this page http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE#Phonon
[10:27] <ArchangelSe7en> I'm honestly an ALSA fan , I hardly use Pulse Audio at all
[10:28] <rethus> (me too, pulseaudio seems to be a realy bad choice at the moment for kubuntu)... would be fine if its stable.. but till startup its bad for me
[10:28] <rethus> here a screenshot of my multimedia-section:
[10:29] <rethus> wow, wait,
[10:29] <rethus> seems that i have done something, that could make it work
[10:30] <rethus> now i only have Pulseaudio-Sound-Server as Hardware listet in the multimedia-manager.
[10:30] <rethus> before it was like 3 image in the above send wiki
[10:46] <ecinx> how do I install KDE 4.7 beta?
[10:49] <tsimpson> ecinx: get the source and compile it
[10:50] <ecinx> there's no package  for kubuntu?
[10:52] <tsimpson> no, or at least not yet, the focus is more on the stable updates
[10:54] <ecinx> oh ok
[10:54] <ecinx> thx
[10:55] <markit> hi, 11.04 here, if I logout (since I want login with a different user) the screen just becomes monocrome and I only see the cursor, not login dialog. Known issue?
[11:10] <surunveri> i overwrote master boot record for the HD is there anyway to restore it without using live CD or similar.. without restarting computer?
[11:13] <tsimpson> surunveri: follow the process at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub you only need to use the LiveCD if you are running the system from the HDD you need to install grub to
[11:13] <surunveri> ok not possible
[11:14] <tsimpson> changing the MBR of a disk with partitions mounted can be somewhat dangerous
[11:14] <surunveri> well
[11:14] <surunveri> you mean like how?
[11:14] <surunveri> :D
[11:16] <surunveri> right now i cant restar the computer because then it wont start
[11:16] <surunveri> doesnt get much worse anyway
[11:16] <surunveri> ?
[11:17] <tsimpson> you can try just running the commands from the running system, I guess you can't do too much more damage
[11:17] <surunveri> kk
[11:44] <Axtra> Hey guys, can anybody tell me how to get Java Runtime Environment in Kubuntu? The guides I've looked at so far aren't any help
[11:45] <jussi> !info sun-java6-jre
[11:46] <jussi> oh thats right, hang on
[11:46] <Axtra> Jussi: Thanks for the help :)
[11:46] <jussi> !info default-jre
[11:46] <jussi> Axtra: ^^
[11:46] <alvin> Mamarok: thanks for responding to bug 777639 (KDE bug 249095). Amarok is currently hanging here. I haven't killed it yet. Can you tell me how to provide a backtrace? Those crashes aren't picked up by apport.
[11:48] <Axtra> Thanks jussi: it seems to be working
[11:48] <alvin> I looked at ~/.kde/share/config/amarok*, but there's nothing out-of-the ordinary there. Personally, I think the advice to erase config files is too easily given. This isn't Mac OS.
[11:48] <jussi> Axtra: yw
[11:48] <Mamarok> alvin: well, you should install debugging symbols for it, and then run it from a konsole with the options -d --nofork
[11:49] <alvin> Mamarok: ah, for the next crash. ok.
[11:49] <Mamarok> alvin: just erase that file, it will be rebuilt automatically with the current setup
[11:49] <alvin> Will do
[11:49] <alvin> there are settings in there for the mysql database
[11:49] <Mamarok> but of course kill amarok first, erase the configuration files in that folder (there are 3)
[11:50] <Mamarok> you use an external db?
[11:50] <alvin> Well, yes. On the same computer.
[11:50] <Mamarok> that is not really necessary, unless you want to share the collection on several computers, the capacity and speed is the same for embedded
[11:50] <alvin> One mysql server for all those desktop applications that need a database (akonadi, amarok,...)
[11:51] <Mamarok> still, the database is written to another folder
[11:52] <alvin> It's not for sharing. The idea was to speed up akonadi and reduce the number of crashes (too much). But I can use Amarok without external mysql for a while.
[11:52] <alvin> oooooow
[11:53] <alvin> Mamarok: I killed Amarok and that causes KDE bug 258706. (scary)
[11:57] <Guest89527> is there a ppa for kde 4.7 beta 1
[11:57] <Axtra> Has anybody here used Remus Information Management?
[11:59] <Mamarok> Guest89527: it will be announced on http://kubuntu.org/news once it is ready
[11:59] <Guest89527> Mamarok: ok
[12:01] <Guest89527> Mamarok: will the daily build contain the beta?
[12:02] <Guest89527> Mamarok: i think i am asking a wrong question
[12:02] <alvin> Mamarok: got it! (I erased the settings, started with $ amarok -d --nofork | tee debug.txt played and kept pressing 'next'. Eventually it crashed.)
[12:03] <Peace-> Mamarok: hi :)
[12:03] <alvin> plasma going down....
[12:04] <Guest89527> alvin: what?
[12:04] <alvin> Guest89527: plasma never crashes on you?
[12:04] <Guest89527> alvin: no
[12:04] <Guest89527> alvin: everything is very stable
[12:05] <Mamarok> depending on the context Guest89527
[12:05] <alvin> Guest89527: You're not serious? No plasma crashes, akonadi crashes, nepomuk zombies, amarok crashes and a load of kded processes at 100%?
[12:05] <Guest89527> alvin: what is your gpu?
[12:05] <alvin> i5
[12:06] <Guest89527> alvin: ya, i am very happy about that. i like the OS
[12:06] <Guest89527> Mamarok:  ??
[12:06] <Mamarok> Guest68842: he is talking about a crash on Amarok quit, not just Plasma
[12:06] <Mamarok> alvin: I had that a few times, but it should not happen anymore with Amarok 2.4.1
[12:07] <alvin> Yes, actually it is fixed in the upcoming version (the plasma crash).
[12:07] <Guest89527> alvin: you mean the plasma crashes due to amarok or you just talking about plasma>
[12:07] <alvin> Mamarok: people in that report all talk about Amarok crashing on them, but I haven't seen any bug reports about the particular crash. I assumed it could be the issue I'm reporting.
[12:07] <Mamarok> alvin: you talk about the plasma version?
[12:08] <Mamarok> alvin: without a backtrace it is impossible to say
[12:08] <Guest89527> Mamarok: did he tried deleting the settings?
[12:08] <alvin> There are a lot of bugs I'm suffering from. I'll take the time to update some bug reports today. But I can't be the only one?
[12:08] <alvin> I did
[12:09] <Mamarok> Guest89527: of course, don't worry, I can handle that :)
[12:09] <Guest89527> alvin: there is some problem with nvidia driver that may cause the crash of plasma. is your gpu nvidia?
[12:09] <Guest89527> Mamarok:  sure :)
[12:09] <Mamarok> whatever...
[12:10] <alvin> Guest89527: Yes, but I'm well aware of that bug. (I'm the original reporter on Launchpad)
[12:10] <alvin> I didn't resize the konsole here ;-)
[12:10] <Guest89527> alvin: ya
[12:11] <Guest89527> alvin: did you try the latest nvidia drivers
[12:12] <alvin> there was some blog post about the difficulty of reporting bugs that lead to kded using 100% CPU. I'd like to find it, because it happens often en doesn't go away when logging off. It does when rebooting, but that panics the kernel, so I try to avoid reboots.
[12:12] <alvin> Guest89527: I'm not aware of more recent drivers.
[12:13] <Guest89527> alvin: i think the kded 100% cpu thing is due to the network service
[12:14] <alvin> Guest89527: I have no idea what it might be. Can you elaborate or point to a bug?
[12:14] <alvin> There is an old bug (Jaunty) that gets updated a lot these days, but this might be something else.
[12:14] <Guest89527> alvin: does it kded carsh when you disconnect from a wifi or a 3g connection?
[12:15] <alvin> Guest89527: No, I only have a static interface defined. No wifi or 3g in this machine.
[12:16] <Guest89527> alvin: Did you find which service is causing kded to crash?
[12:16] <alvin> Guest89527: No, that's the difficult part. I wouldn't know how to identify the right service.
[12:16] <Axtra> I just installed Nevernote, but I can't seem to find it to start the program - anybody know where I should go to find it?
[12:17] <sandro_> j sloavenia
[12:19] <szal> !info nevernote
[12:19] <Mamarok> Axtra: sorry, I don't know nevernote
[12:22] <alvin> Mamarok: This time the 'Crash Reporting Assistant' appeard, so it was easy to attach a backtrace. [DONE]
[12:22] <Mamarok> alvin: thanks :)
[12:23] <Mamarok> alvin: at first sight it seems to be a problem with a 3-rd party script
[12:23] <Mamarok> try disabling your scripts
[12:23] <alvin> ok
[12:23] <Mamarok> if you find out which it is, you should report this to the script author on http://kde-apps.org
[12:23] <alvin> disabled Lyricwiki, Cool Streams and Librivox.org
[12:23] <Mamarok> these are internal ones, I talk about external scripts
[12:24] <alvin> I didn't install external scripts. It really is default.
[12:25] <Mamarok> alvin: also, you need to install amarok-dbg
[12:25] <cousin_mario> hello
[12:25] <alvin> Mamarok: Ow, you're right. It's not installed. (I saw 3 stars, so I thought this was ok)
[12:26] <Mamarok> well, because the crash is not caused by amarok, but by a script, are you sure you have no residual script installations?
[12:26] <Mamarok> I use a few scripts here and don't see that happen on 2.4-git
[12:27] <alvin> Mamarok: Pretty sure. This is basic kubuntu with some extra applications. Where should I find these scripts?
[12:28] <cousin_mario> What's happening to my screen here? http://i.imgur.com/TrW3Q.jpg http://i.imgur.com/SxrWq.jpg (screenshot and camera picture, respectively), kubuntu 11.04 with nvidia binary driver. Doesn't occur on my ubuntu/gnome installation.
[12:28] <Mamarok> if you go to the Amarok menu Tools
[12:28] <Mamarok> wrong, it's in configuration, at the bottom, sorry
[12:29] <Mamarok> cousin_mario: likely a driver issue
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: can you check if it occurs after disabling desktop effects?
[12:30] <alvin> Mamarok: I'll look in a moment :-) right now, I reproduced the crash again. No drkonqi this time and no automatic kill. I think we can safely disregard the crash with a backtrace. It must have been another bug. The behaviour is different.
[12:30] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: I can't see much: is there a way to disable them from the command line?
[12:30] <alvin> (plasma going doooown)
[12:31] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: hey
[12:31] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: i dont know
[12:31] <cousin_mario> however it started occurring right after having installed virtualbox-4.0: could there be a link?
[12:31] <alvin> Hey, I also have pictures like that :-)
[12:32] <cousin_mario> alvin: like mine?
[12:32] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: what is your nvidia driver version
[12:32] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: 270 I believe
[12:32] <cousin_mario> the official one
[12:32] <alvin> cousin_mario: Yes. Problem is that I can't see them now, or I would upload them.
[12:33] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: can you give me the full version number.
[12:34] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: I'll have to restart for that, just a moment please.
[12:34] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: sure
[12:34] <alvin> Mamarok: Can I attach the output to the bug report? It's a lot of text. 1.9MB. Should I zip it or is it not needed entirely?
[12:35] <alvin> Mamarok: Last line before the crash is amarok: END__: void Playlist::Actions::next() [Took: 0.022s]
[12:35] <alvin> That even doesn't look abnormal to me.
[12:36] <alvin> After that, it hangs with the OSD displaying the title of the song.
[12:36] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: back
[12:36] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: ii  nvidia-current          270.41.06-0ubuntu1
[12:36] <cousin_mario> problem is not occurring atm
[12:36] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: when does this occur
[12:36] <alvin> cousin_mario: start konsole, resize it with the mouse. Then report back :-)
[12:37] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: no
[12:37] <cousin_mario> alvin: wait
[12:37] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: no
[12:37] <phoenix_firebrd> ha ha ha
[12:37] <alvin> cousin_mario: those are the instructions to reproduce, so, yes: phoenix_firebrd is warning you here
[12:39] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: probably his system crashes :)
[12:39] <Mamarok> alvin: no, only the last 100 lines or so, you can attach those as text to the bug report
[12:39] <alvin> Mamarok: thanks. Will do.
[12:40] <Mamarok> or even better, paste it directly in the comment
[12:40] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, I should have warned him in the same line.
[12:40] <cousin_mario> the damn thing froze
[12:40] <phoenix_firebrd> ha ha ha
[12:40] <alvin> That wasn't very polite of me, but hey. this one is just too easy.
[12:40] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: wb :)
[12:41]  * alvin is so glad he didn't upgrade the whole company to natty.
[12:41] <alvin> People would be at my door with torches and pitchforks.
[12:42] <cousin_mario> and it froze again
[12:42] <cousin_mario> now I'm on XFCE as precaution
[12:42] <cousin_mario> alvin: natty is a firework
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> natty is great
[12:43] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: is it?
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> ya, it is. Its the 3rd party soft that is causing these crashes
[12:43] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: unity and the half-baked thing that's gnome-classic are the reason why I'm experimenting with KDE in the first place:)
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: welcome to the real world
[12:44] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: ok, I just uninstalled virtualbox
[12:44] <alvin> I'm not entirely convinced the proprietary driver is the sole cause here.
[12:44] <cousin_mario> it worked for a while
[12:45] <alvin> And the kernel panics I have on shutdown are certainly not third-party.
[12:45] <cousin_mario> whoteva
[12:45] <cousin_mario> what would you recommend to ameliorate my predicament?
[12:45] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: what do you mean?
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: i dont get those problems
[12:46] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: Easy to reproduce. If I shutdown the machine, the kernel panics during shutdown.
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: strange
[12:46] <cousin_mario> there's always something crashing when I log out from KDE, but I can live with that
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: is the backports turned on?
[12:46] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: No, I figure it must be something I alone use. I think it's because I'm using this system as an NFS client.
[12:47] <cousin_mario> do you think I should disable the effects then?
[12:47] <topman> hello ,everybody
[12:47] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, but these panics where there before the final release. I don't think they are KDE related.
[12:47] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys. I just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10. Unfortunately now, my computer loads Kubuntu, but doesn't seem to do anything. It's like it freezes at the OS load.
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: try that
[12:48] <alvin> cousin_mario: there are several workarounds in bug 760632
[12:48] <topman> is there chinese?
[12:48] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[12:48] <alvin> LINKSWORD2: any more information? What do you see at the moment of the freeze?
[12:48] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: will kernel panic due to network soft issues?
[12:49] <phoenix_firebrd> !chinese
[12:49] <LINKSWORD2> No other info. It loads the background image on the desktop, the little gold plasma swirl thing, and the mouse cursor.
[12:49] <LINKSWORD2> Apart from that, it's frozen.
[12:50] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: I'll do a test. Can take a while.
[12:50] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: now?
[12:50] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: Yes
[12:50] <LINKSWORD2> :o
[12:50] <the_p_> hi. i have a problem with skype it always crashes
[12:50] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: ok i will wait
[12:50] <LINKSWORD2> Screw Skype. It always crashes anyway.
[12:50] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[12:51] <phoenix_firebrd> the_p_:  can you try with sudo command
[12:51] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: sounds like your plasma config is messed up
[12:51] <LINKSWORD2> What do I do, then, jussi?
[12:51] <the_p_> it was a serious question when i start it it says just aborted on the command line during the log in.
[12:51] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: remove or rename your plasma config files?
[12:51] <the_p_> i can't use it at all
[12:52] <phoenix_firebrd> the_p_: can you run the program in terminal with sudo ?
[12:52] <LINKSWORD2> I didn't change any of them.
[12:53] <LINKSWORD2> New info: The launch bar is coming up, but only the top border and the left & right ends. None of its contents.
[12:53] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: no, that is what I would say do to see if it fixes.
[12:53] <the_p_> phoenix_firebrd: then it does not start with the message No protocol specified
[12:53] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: no good, rebooted again
[12:54] <LINKSWORD2> I don't see how I would do that. I'm stuck.
[12:54] <phoenix_firebrd> the_p_: hmmm, bad
[12:54] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: but at least now it's not showing up again
[12:54] <phoenix_firebrd> the_p_: can you try reinstalling . Purge the config also
[12:55] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: gooood
[12:55] <the_p_> phoenix_firebrd: i already did both of this
[12:55] <LINKSWORD2> jussi, may I do a one-on-one chat?
[12:55] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: wait till the new nvidia driver is available for update or you could try the ppas
[12:55] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: no, hang on a sec
[12:56] <LINKSWORD2> :/
[12:56] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: ppa for a beta nvidia release?
[12:56] <phoenix_firebrd> the_p_: the gtk apps dont work well in kubuntu
[12:57] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: ya
[12:57] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: got a pointer to that?
[12:57] <the_p_> ok the skype problem is not specific to me it also does not work for others.
[12:57] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: wait
[12:57] <LINKSWORD2> I've been able to pull up the Alt+F2 menu and click on the system resources icon. Plasma-desktop is using a LOT of memory. :\
[12:58] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: press ctrl+alt+f3. login. do: mv .kde/share/config/ .kde/share/config1
[12:58] <jussi> restart
[12:58] <LINKSWORD2>  OK. Hang on a moment.
[13:00] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: Back. Problem here is that the log says: kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. The kernel panic occurs after that.
[13:00] <alvin> Filed it as bug 760494
[13:00] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: good
[13:01] <LINKSWORD2> Ugh. Crashed.
[13:01] <LINKSWORD2> Anyway jussi, what's the command for restarting via command-line?
[13:01] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: sudo reboot
[13:02] <LINKSWORD2> Nice. :D
[13:02] <LINKSWORD2> Now we see if my machine commits suicide in the process of rebooting.
[13:02] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: I wrote something down and found that the bug was already reported. Mine is a duplicate. Other people succeeded in logging it because the panic occurs during work for them.
[13:02] <alvin> It's bug 769927
[13:02] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[13:03] <LINKSWORD2> lol @ ubottu
[13:03] <alvin> Like I thought: It is NFS related.
[13:03] <jussi> the_p_: strange, my machine just started same with skype.
[13:03] <LINKSWORD2> Loading. Harddrive. Settings. Global. Desktop. KDE.
[13:03] <jussi> I wonder if its an update.
[13:03] <alvin> Ubuntu should really learn that NFS is not replaced by samba. There are still people who use it.
[13:03] <LINKSWORD2> It appears, I'm in.
[13:04] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: :)
[13:04] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: yes it is. Nfs daemon
[13:05] <LINKSWORD2> Now I need to restore some lost settings and hope I don't get screwed in the process.
[13:05] <alvin> It's the default file sharing for Linux/Unix. Please, please support it. I have begged for this on the ubuntu server mailinglist and asked Canonical directly to not disregard the existence of NFS. Yet they never test NFS with new releases.
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: may be they are more concern with samba
[13:08] <LINKSWORD2> GAH!
[13:08] <LINKSWORD2> It did it again.
[13:09] <LINKSWORD2> jussi, would I have better luck perhaps by upgrading to 11.04?
[13:09] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: Probably, but that's catering to the wrong crowd. If they want to be taken seriously by businesses they need to put Linux/Unix compatibility above Windows compatibility.
[13:10] <LINKSWORD2> If they did that, Linux wouldn't be free. >.>
[13:10] <alvin> LINKSWORD2: What makes you think that?
[13:10]  * LINKSWORD2 shoots Se7en in the head.
[13:11] <LINKSWORD2> Easy. Windows makes its money by being compatible with just enough stuff to get out into the mainstream and the workforce...
[13:11] <LINKSWORD2> And not being compatible by just enough to need pain in the ass updates.
[13:11] <alvin> Canonical's business model is not based on selling Ubuntu. It's based on selling commercial support.
[13:12] <jussi> alvin: and engineering services
[13:12] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[13:12] <LINKSWORD2> jussi, it did it again. Don't know if you saw that before.
[13:12] <alvin> Hmm, compatibility is not the main issue for businesses. I administer a very mixed environment. We use what we have to.
[13:12] <LINKSWORD2> Would I have better luck upgrading to Natty? (11.04) ?
[13:12] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: did it again? what did you do in the time between it working and not working?
[13:13] <LINKSWORD2> Just grabbed the edge of the launchbar so that I could see it on screen.
[13:14] <alvin> If Windows is the best tool, you'll use Windows. Imitating doesn't cut it. If you want ot be competitive, you don't need half-assed compatibility, because you'll always loose. You'll need a solution that can stand by itself. If you have linux servers, linux desktops and NO Windows, will you then use Windows file sharing between them?
[13:14] <LINKSWORD2> And then it died. lol
[13:14] <LINKSWORD2> Windows isn't the best. lol
[13:14] <jussi> LINKSWORD2: I would say try updating to 11.04, but Im really not sure whats causing this
[13:14] <LINKSWORD2> OK.
[13:15] <BajK> I think this question has been asked here like a million times but there will be KDE 4.7 Beta 1 packages for Kubuntu wont there?
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: I think they are concentrating on attracting the windows users. Some of the examples are use of xml in libree office that is more compatable with microsoft document formats, samba...
[13:15] <LINKSWORD2> If you want the best, use an Apple machine. Their hardware & software are designed to work together seamlessly.
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> BajK: +1
[13:15] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hello
[13:16] <LINKSWORD2> Hey there, BluesKaj
[13:16] <LINKSWORD2> ''Screw this. Time to upgrade to 11.04."
[13:16] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd , LINKSWORD2, BajK
[13:17] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, and that's where they will loose the battle. They need a complete solution instead of trying to be compatible. Businesses don't take that risk. Besides, they offer Landscape at the same price of a Windows license. You can hardly compare an operating system to a tool to remotely reboot it.
[13:17] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: thanks man
[13:17] <LINKSWORD2> BajK, I would assume so, as there have been KDE Beta packages before the previous full releases.
[13:17] <LINKSWORD2> I see no reason not to.
[13:17] <BajK>  dunno if there have been packages for Beta 1 always, but the RCs have been there all the time and Beta 2
[13:18] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: you are welcome
[13:18] <alvin> LINKSWORD2: I don't like Windows either, but it sure crashes a lot less than Ubuntu. (This is Windows ME all over again). Apple is not really fit for commercial usage. It's only for managers to show off, but don't try to administer a network with Mac's. That's a nightmare.
[13:18] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO!
[13:19] <LINKSWORD2> alvin, I've done plenty of work with all 3. (Linux, WXP, OSX.)
[13:19] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: thats because windows release is a lts release
[13:19] <alvin> LINKSWORD2: Oh really? What did you use for file storage.
[13:20] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: there are throughly tested and bugs fixed and released
[13:20] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: are you sure 270.41.19 will do the trick?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, apple just sent out an antivirus app to combat the phony antivirus apps for mac: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13560137
[13:21] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: not sure, the driver is still in ppa. so you have to choose
[13:21] <LINKSWORD2> We had a huge, huge CISCO network server in the back room in our Mac system lab.
[13:21] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: True. But that isn't the case with Lucid. It's supported for long term, but it was not tested enough. Upstart/grub2 were too untested and caused all manner of mayhem.
[13:21] <alvin> LINKSWORD2: what protocol(s)?
[13:21] <alvin> And did you need all those systems to talk to each other? Or was there a separate file server for each?
[13:22] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: if ubuntu want to compete with a firm that has a strong history, they have to take some shortcuts
[13:22] <LINKSWORD2> Separate jobs at separate times.
[13:22] <alvin> I'm asking this, because file sharing is in my opinion a very basic network service.
[13:22] <cousin_mario> phoenix_firebrd: I suspect it's not a prerelease of 275.xx
[13:23] <LINKSWORD2> I've been a long-time Windows junkie. WXP is one of the most stable I've seen out there. Too many people bitch about Vista.
[13:23] <LINKSWORD2> And even more bitched about WS7 until the initial driver issues were fixed.
[13:24] <alvin> upstart is not taking a shortcut. it's introducing untested technology well before it was ready. It still is not ready for production use.
[13:24] <phoenix_firebrd> cousin_mario: no
[13:24] <LINKSWORD2> I love working with Macs... But that makes me just wish I could afford one. lol
[13:24] <Tm_T> Just as a reminder...
[13:24] <Tm_T> !ot
[13:24]  * LINKSWORD2 grumbles
[13:24] <phoenix_firebrd> alvin: you could always use debain , if you are more concerned with stablity
[13:24] <alvin> LINKSWORD2: I have one. A mac is fine by itself. In a network with Linux, Windows and even other Unixes, they don't play well.
[13:25] <alvin> phoenix_firebrd: True, and I will. But it takes time to move all those machines to another OS.
[13:25]  * cousin_mario won't switch to Gnome3 exactly because it's too similar to MacOS
[13:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Tm_T: i though of tell that , thanks
[13:25] <cousin_mario> rigid and unconfigurable
[13:25] <LINKSWORD2> I can network a Mac with Windows. It just has to be reworked about 4 times before you get it right.
[13:25] <alvin> Oh yes, support. Well, that's how the small offtopic began.
[13:26] <LINKSWORD2> I can't network them with Linux.
[13:26] <LINKSWORD2> alvin, if you'd like to talk some more, you may /query me
[13:26] <jussi> the_p_: perhaps our skype issue is: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/skype-goes-down-globally-investigation-underway/
[13:27] <alvin> LINKSWORD2: thx, but it's ok. I'm at work. The mac situation is more or less under control. I'll go back to the bug reports.
[13:27]  * LINKSWORD2 lights his old Skype CD on fire with a Zippo.
[13:28] <LINKSWORD2> :D
[13:28] <alvin> Skype on my N900 is still online. (best Skype integration on Linux ever. I hope it lasts)
[13:29] <LINKSWORD2> I hope ya'll will pardon me. I've never used my Skype CD. I've always... ALWAYS hated Skype.
[13:29] <jussi> the_p_: renaming .Skype fixes said issue.
[13:30]  * LINKSWORD2 watches Skype burn.
[13:32] <LINKSWORD2> Well...
[13:32] <SaidBakr> hi
[13:33] <LINKSWORD2> I suppose I can shut my laptop off while I wait for my other computer to upgrade to Kubuntu 11.04 Natty.
[13:33] <SaidBakr> It is just a test for irc
[13:35] <xevil> has anyone had any luck installing an nvidia legacy (nvidia-96) driver in 11.04?
[13:44] <alvin> I was about to answer that, but he must have resized his konsole.
[13:45] <alvin> Besided being terribly funny, should this bug not be added to the release notes as 'known bug'.
[14:00] <kleopatra> Hallo, Amarok weigert sich beharrlich MP3 Dateien abzuspielen, er faselt was von einem ID_irgendwas tag der nicht mehr unterstützt wird und gibt keinen Laut von sich
[14:01] <BluesKaj> !de | kleopatra
[14:02] <kleopatra> Well in english again: Amarok refues to play mp3 data, in the terminal i just find something like tag_xxx isnt supoorted anymore. I have the codecs installed
[14:06] <alvin> Not terribly important, but if you use the mouse to the top left corner, to view all windows, can the size of those windows be set? At the moment, I have 26 open windows. 22 of those are identical in size when viewed normally, but when viewed together, they all get different sizes. It's just weird.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> kleopatra, that's a difficult problem , amarok plays mp3 's here ok , altho i don't use it much ..I prefer VLC
[14:08]  * alvin wonders whether it is possible to resize his 22 terminal windows at once to produce an epic crash.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> oh epic is the word of the yr ...I see it allover ..epic this and that epic that ...I wonder if ppl understand the real meaning
[14:10] <cousin_mario> how can I disable all sounds?
[14:11] <alvin> BluesKaj: You'd understand it if you saw it ;-)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> nothing about some frames on a computer is epic
[14:12] <alvin> cousin_mario: Oh, I know that one! Install Pulseaudio. (Actually, now that you ask, I looked at settings and couldn't find it either)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> those tornados in the midwest  are epic
[14:13] <cousin_mario> alvin: :/
[14:13] <alvin> BluesKaj: Normally I'd agree, but after too much coffee I don't care anymore and feel like the Count from Sesame Street. (1 crash, haha, 2 crashes, hahah, 3...)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> cousin_mario, open system settings/ notifications /player settings, click on no audio output ..you're just trying disable system sounds , right ?
[14:16] <alvin> On a more positive note: I'm glad to see that rdesktop is fixed. People have been pestering me for years about that one.
[14:32] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: yes, system sounds only
[14:33] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: thanks
[14:38] <BluesKaj> cousin_mario, you're welcome
[14:38] <seawing> I am visiting my folks who have a westell7500 modem. I am running kubuntu 10.10 and can connect to most wireless networks that I encounter. With this router/modem, network managment finds it when doing a scan and I read that I enter the SN for the ssid and the WPA# for the password.  I have gotten it to connect for a few minutes but then it asks for the password again.  If I switch over to my windows partition, I can connect with no
[14:38] <seawing> difficulty, so I don't think it is a hardware issue.  any ideas how I can solve this?
[14:54] <cousin_mario> seawing: what wifi network card are you using?
[14:55] <seawing> well, I use the internal card in my lenovo (not sure what the name is)  and I have also tried my netgear pci card with the same results.
[15:45] <wintellect> How can I tell Kubuntu on my aceraspireone to run the standard KDE desktop, not this different look?
[15:47] <genii-around> wintellect: Install the package plasma-desktop, then at login it will have that as an alternative
[15:48] <wintellect> genii-around: excellent! Thanks
[15:55] <cablop> hello, how good does compiz and kde lasme go along?
[15:57] <cablop> *kde plasma
[16:08] <cablop> what is the cli command to config kdm?
[16:12] <genii-around> cablop: probably sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm
[16:33]  * BluesKaj debates with self about switching to 64 bit with only 3Gb RAM ..wonders if it's worth the trouble ...have a separate /home partition
[16:46] <PC_Bot> What's up party people
[17:01] <BluesKaj> PC_Bot, what party ? :)
[17:01] <amichair> !exfat
[17:01] <amichair> does natty support exFAT?
[17:08] <amichair> !fat64
[17:11] <amichair> does anyone know how to get exFAT/FAT64 to work?
[17:23] <genii-around> !intrepidkde3
[17:23] <genii-around> Hm
[17:33] <darthanubis> anyone getting 95% X usage?
[17:35] <darthanubis> ok, that was when I had the teminal the size of the desktop
[17:35] <darthanubis> after resize, X usage normal
[17:37] <kevin__> I edited my /etc/fstab to do auto mounting and it is auto mounting properly
[17:37] <kevin__> but when ever i enter the particular auto mounted partition the short cut of it appears on the places in the dolphin and disappears when i leave the partition
[17:37] <DarkriftX> at some point in time i set my window manager to something else (compiz i think) but decided to go back to kwin. problem is every time i reboot the old one comes back and i have to "kwin --replace" to get kwin back. is there a permanent way to set this?
[18:45] <CrazyM4R> #girona
[18:46] <Helpmeout2> hey i just did something idiotic, i installed kubuntu and forgot what i made my username
[18:46] <Helpmeout2> i have the passwd, any help?
[18:46] <Realmkeeper> In Mandriva to remove orphaned items I just typed: urpme --auto-orphan. What is the usual way in Kubuntu? Google search isn't helping much.
[18:46] <Helpmeout2> i can get into recovery mode
[18:46] <Helpmeout2> by mashing shift
[18:47] <DarthFrog> Helpmeout2:  You can read /etc/passwd.  Your name will be there, at the bottom.  Or look at the /home directory, your home directory will bear your username.
[18:48] <Helpmeout2> how do i look at it?
[18:48] <Helpmeout2> from the recovery console?
[18:48] <DarthFrog> Helpmeout2: "cat /etc/passwd | less"
[18:48] <DarthFrog> Or just "cat /etc/passwd"
[18:48] <Helpmeout2> yeah but there isn't anywhere to type, it just prompts user: pass: screen
[18:49] <DarthFrog> Or "ls -d /home".
[18:49] <Helpmeout2> which option do i choose in the recovery menu?
[18:49] <DarthFrog> Why not just boot normally and let the login screen give you the name?
[18:50] <Helpmeout2> there isn't a name in the user box
[18:50] <Helpmeout2> i can go to console login
[18:50] <Helpmeout2> restart x server etc..
[18:51] <DarthFrog> Isn't there a drop-down combo box that lists users?
[18:51] <Helpmeout2> no
[18:51] <Helpmeout2> this would be my first login
[18:51] <DarthFrog> Well, then, boot from the Live CD, mount the Kubuntu partition and go exploring. :-)
[18:51] <PC_Bot> if you just installed it, re-install it... only takes about 5 minutes
[18:52] <PC_Bot> other than that, you need to boot from something else and explore the files via another OS
[18:52] <Helpmeout2> i have cd rom as 1st priority boot and still takes me there lol
[18:52] <Helpmeout2> instead of reading it as live cd
[18:52] <Helpmeout2> weird
[18:52] <DarthFrog> Then how did you install?
[18:53] <DarthFrog> Hmm, you're special. :-)
[18:53] <Helpmeout2> on a partition
[18:53] <PC_Bot> disconnect the drive and then boot to the CD
[18:53] <Helpmeout2> i installed as primary / kd4, and the swap logical
[18:54] <DarthFrog> Re-install and be done with it.
[18:55] <Helpmeout2> going to try it out
[18:56] <Helpmeout2> im use to gnome but decided to mess with kde
[18:56] <Helpmeout2> is the update cmd the same? apt-get update/upgrade?
[18:57] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[18:57] <DarthFrog> Pretty much everything is the same at the command line, mostly the differences are GUI.
[18:57] <Helpmeout2> k, also i saw a reverse install'
[18:57] <Helpmeout2> what is the deal with that
[19:11] <Helpmeout2> can someone explain what the swap is on installation?
[19:11] <Helpmeout2> how much space should i use on a partition for it
[19:11] <Peace-> 15 for /
[19:11] <Peace-> swap = ram
[19:11] <Helpmeout2> also was wondering what primary and logical is
[19:11] <Peace->  /home the rest of your harddisk
[19:12] <Helpmeout2> ok so the swap is / and system will be /home
[19:12] <Helpmeout2> which primary and which logical
[19:12] <Peace-> omg
[19:12] <tsimpson> you can only have 4 primary partitions, but a logical partition can have many partitions inside it
[19:12] <Helpmeout2> oh ok
[19:12] <Helpmeout2> sorry im new to this peace
[19:12] <tsimpson> swap is the equivalent to what windows calls a "page file"
[19:12] <Helpmeout2> bare with me
[19:13] <tsimpson> it's used primarily when the system needs more memory (RAM) than it has, or for hibernation (suspend to disk)
[19:14] <Helpmeout2> ok
[19:15] <Peace-> Helpmeout2: so if you use suspend and you use a lots of ram ....
[19:16] <Peace-> mb ram = mb swap
[19:16] <Peace-> MB
[19:16] <Helpmeout2> i have an i5 720
[19:16] <Helpmeout2> so 15mb swap is good//?
[19:16] <Peace-> nope
[19:17] <Peace-> 4gb of ram ==> 4gig of swap
[19:17] <szal> better more
[19:17] <Peace-> 3gig of ram [19:17] <Peace-> but that only to be sure...
[19:18] <Peace-> andn only if you use ALots of ram
[19:18] <nodragon> oh
[19:18] <tsimpson> if you want to hibernate, you will want (to an extent) 1.5xRAM
[19:18] <tsimpson> obviously the more RAM you have the closer to 1xRAM you'll want, and even less if you don't plan to hibernate at all
[19:19] <Helpmeout2> i have 4 gigs of ram
[19:19] <Peace-> so do 4 gig of swap i guess should be fine
[19:19] <Helpmeout2> i do leave the pc on a good bit when downloading and all
[19:19] <Helpmeout2> gah, i feel like im at burger king installing this
[19:20] <tsimpson> hibernation is when you shutdown, but resume at next boot
[19:20] <Helpmeout2> primary or logical? beginning or end? ketchup or mustard?
[19:20] <Peace-> Helpmeout2: have you windows ?
[19:20] <tsimpson> doesn't really matter all that much what you choose
[19:20] <Peace-> Helpmeout2: how many partition have you ?
[19:20] <Helpmeout2> choose from the 8000 file systems lol
[19:20] <Helpmeout2> i have a windows partition
[19:20] <Helpmeout2> and another one with music
[19:21] <Helpmeout2> then now im making this one
[19:21] <Peace-> Helpmeout2: please use the live cd , run partition manager , then do a screenshot
[19:21] <Peace-> then post it
[19:21] <Peace-> here
[19:21] <Peace-> if you have 4 partition ==> you must do another partitoon but must be logical
[19:21] <Peace-> when you did that you can do other partition inside the logical one
[19:22] <Helpmeout2> oh ok
[19:22] <Helpmeout2> so 4 primary per hard drive?
[19:22] <Peace-> yes.
[19:22] <Helpmeout2> should work out then
[19:22] <Peace-> if you don't know who knows
[19:22] <Helpmeout2> 1 = win7 1=files 1=linux 1=swap
[19:22] <Helpmeout2> that equals 4
[19:23] <Helpmeout2> right?
[19:23] <Peace-> !partitions
[19:25] <bomberinenredado> Hola
[19:25] <bomberinenredado> ALguien que hable español?
[19:26] <tsimpson> !es
[19:26] <bomberinenredado> ubottu, usted habla español?
[19:27] <bomberinenredado> ubottu
[19:27] <tsimpson> bomber: Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es"
[19:27] <tsimpson> bomberinenredado: ^
[19:27] <bomberinenredado> Hi everyone
[19:32] <Helpmeout2> 3.Swap partition - this need only be twice the size of your memory.
[19:32] <Helpmeout2> so since i have 4gigs of ram, make it 8gigs right
[19:32] <Helpmeout2> for partition size
[19:33] <elijah> Does Kubuntu have a way to do two finger left/right swipes on the trackpad?
[19:34] <tsimpson> Helpmeout2: there is no need for 8GB of swap, the most I'd recommend for someone with 4GB RAM would be 5GB
[19:36] <Helpmeout2> ok
[19:37] <Helpmeout2> i was just reading what the website said
[19:38] <c2tarun> Helpmeout2: why you need so much swap partition?
[19:39] <Helpmeout2> ok im going to make 3 partitions for linux (note i alrdy have 2).. Im going to make a root (20g) primary, a /home (20g) primary, and a (5g) swap logical
[19:39] <Helpmeout2> c2tarun that is what the linux site said
[19:39] <c2tarun> Helpmeout2: well I may be wrong but with grub you cannot create more that 4 partitions.
[19:39] <tsimpson> no, you already have 2, so only one more can be primary and another logical
[19:40] <c2tarun> Helpmeout2: and buddy you got 4 GIGS of RAM that is hell lot of memory,  :) unless you are doing some NASA research work, I dont think you need any swap space
[19:40] <Helpmeout2> Create a partiton to use as swap space. Swap space is used by the kernel as extra memory. You will need to make it double the size of your installed memory.
[19:40] <tsimpson> c2tarun: it's not a grub limit, it's a old HW limit (due to DOS or some such nonsense)
[19:41] <c2tarun> oh... he is dual booting with windows...
[19:41] <Helpmeout2> yeah
[19:41] <tsimpson> Helpmeout2: regardless of what you are reading, you do not need to make swap double your RAM
[19:41] <Helpmeout2> ok
[19:41] <tsimpson> it's only so for very small RAM
[19:41] <Helpmeout2> is 5 to much
[19:41] <Helpmeout2> i don't want to have to redo anything
[19:42] <c2tarun> Helpmeout2: just for sake of your peace of mind, make it of 2GB and save rest of the space.
[19:42] <Helpmeout2> sorry for newbing out
[19:42] <tsimpson> if you don't plan to hibernate, 2GB is plenty
[19:42] <Helpmeout2> ok
[19:42] <tsimpson> 1 would probably be enough, but 2 is a safe amount
[19:42] <Helpmeout2> gotcha
[19:42] <c2tarun> :)
[19:43] <Helpmeout2> ok one more thing, if you said 4 primary and i have two already, then what is wrong with what i said up there ^
[19:43] <Helpmeout2> i said i have 2 and making 3 more, one of which will be logical
[19:43] <Helpmeout2> the swap being logical
[19:44] <Helpmeout2> oh oh and this... mount point thing
[19:45] <Helpmeout2> am i suppose to do the swap (/) files partition (/home) linux install (??)
[19:45] <tsimpson> Helpmeout2: you can either have primary or extended partitions, but only a total of 4. inside an extended partition you can have 1 or more logical partitions
[19:45] <tsimpson> you do not mount swap, at all
[19:45] <Helpmeout2> ok
[19:46] <Helpmeout2> what about the other 2?
[19:46] <tsimpson> if you want to have logical partitions, then you can only have 3 "normal" partitions, as the 4th must be extended
[19:46] <Helpmeout2> k
[19:46] <tsimpson> swap isn't mounted, then you have / which is where the system files go, and /home for your personal files and settings
[19:47] <tsimpson> having a separate /home partition is optional, you could just have swap and / if you wanted
[19:47] <Helpmeout2> ok so / is basically root
[19:47] <tsimpson> / is "root"
[19:47] <tsimpson> not "basically", *is* ;)
[19:47] <Helpmeout2> k cool
[19:48] <Helpmeout2> yeah i want my /home to be seperate, incase i don't like the os or something goes wrong etc..
[19:49] <mcnate> Hello
[19:49] <Helpmeout2> i was thinking around 20g of space for the root
[19:50] <Helpmeout2> plan on running some web dev apps
[19:50] <tsimpson> 20 is good if you plan on installing a lot of programs/applications etc
[19:51] <Helpmeout2> and im assuming to stick with location for the new partition at beginning
[19:52] <tsimpson> it really doesn't matter where on the disk the partitions are
[19:54] <Helpmeout2> k
[19:57] <Helpmeout2> hmmm.. i might not even do a swap and just not hibernate
[19:57] <Helpmeout2> would that be ok
[19:58] <tsimpson> you probably still want swap, 1 or 2 GB is a good number
[19:59] <Helpmeout2> hehe, causing my partions to be ugly
[19:59]  * c2tarun not using swap and never faced any problem since last 6 months :)
[19:59] <mcnate> What is the total memory of your computer,
[19:59] <mcnate> ?
[19:59] <tsimpson> partition tables don't have to be pretty, only functional
[20:00] <Helpmeout2> true
[20:00] <Helpmeout2> mine is 500gig
[20:00] <Helpmeout2> hard drive
[20:01] <Helpmeout2> radeon 5850h.d. graphics, too bad linux sux for gaming
[20:01] <giantpune> hey boys, ive just installed a program from the repos and it is failing to start.  im using kubuntu 11.04 x64, and the program i got from the repo is the package "sysinfo".
[20:01] <mcnate> I not use linux for play
[20:01] <mcnate> I use LInux for the "Konsol"
[20:01] <Helpmeout2> yeah my partitions are sda1 sda5 sda6 sda3 sda4
[20:01] <tsimpson> actually game programmers suck, linux is perfectly capable of running games
[20:02] <Helpmeout2> ugliness
[20:02]  * c2tarun use for KDE :)
[20:02] <Helpmeout2> yeah i agree tsimpson
[20:02] <giantpune> this is the message i get when i try to use the program    http://pastie.org/private/mvnrzrh12e1ccobeuehpgw
[20:02] <mcnate> IS true tsimpson
[20:02] <Helpmeout2> i use to play wow and daoc through wine
[20:02] <Helpmeout2> on ubuntu
[20:02] <mcnate> Hahahhaa
[20:03] <Helpmeout2> and ext4 is the way to go for file structure right
[20:03] <mcnate> LInux is for programming
[20:03] <tsimpson> giantpune: just use kinfocenter
[20:03] <mcnate> And others activitys
[20:03] <Helpmeout2> which im about to try to get into
[20:04] <Helpmeout2> going to learn php stuff
[20:04] <Helpmeout2> since it is soooo free
[20:04] <mcnate> Ps: I'm french sorry for my english
[20:04] <giantpune> that program works tsimpson.  but i like sysinfo better (when it works)
[20:04] <Helpmeout2> boring looking language, but useful
[20:04] <mcnate> Linux is for hacking
[20:04] <giantpune> linux is for everyday use in my house
[20:05] <tsimpson> *cough* #kubuntu-offtopic *cough*
[20:05] <tsimpson> giantpune: it looks like (guessing) it can't find the libgconf2.0-cil package
[20:06] <mcnate> I know 5 programming languages and for the C there are not Ide
[20:06] <mcnate> So i use WIndows for the C
[20:06] <tsimpson> !ide | mcnate
[20:06] <tsimpson> there are plenty of IDEs, including for C
[20:06] <mcnate> Thanks
[20:06] <mcnate> Yes but
[20:06] <Helpmeout2> lol
[20:07] <mcnate> I hate this IDE
[20:07] <mcnate> I want Code blocks xD
[20:07] <Helpmeout2> i use notepad++ for webdev
[20:07] <Helpmeout2> too cheap for the good stuff
[20:07] <mcnate> Html:css
[20:07] <tsimpson> mcnate: erm, so install codeblocks
[20:07] <maco> should umbrello really be in that list?
[20:07] <tsimpson> !info codeblocks
[20:07] <giantpune> indeed tsimpson.  i installed that package, and then it throws another error when trying to start it.  so it appears that installing this package did not install all of its dependencies
[20:07] <Helpmeout2> ok weird
[20:07] <mcnate> No
[20:07] <maco> i think umbrello's just a UML tool, like Dia
[20:07] <c2tarun> mcnate: I think code block is in linux aswell
[20:07] <mcnate> WIth ubuntu 11.04
[20:08] <mcnate> Donc je vais m'exprimer en français
[20:08] <Helpmeout2> i deleted all of those partitions i just made to redo them to drill it in my head, playing with it.. now it isn't asking if i want it to be primary or logical
[20:08] <mcnate> Avec Ubuntu 11.04
[20:08] <tsimpson> mcas: code blocks is available in 11.04
[20:08] <tsimpson> * mcnate
[20:08] <mcnate> Je n'arrive pas à faire fonctionner Code Blocks
[20:08] <c2tarun> mcnate: sorry, english please :(
[20:08] <mcnate> But with Kubuntu i haven't try yet
[20:09] <mcnate> But now i will try
[20:09] <mcnate> Let's go
[20:09] <tsimpson> I've used code blocks in Kubuntu, though I tend to sick with Qt Creator now
[20:09] <giantpune> that one and libglade2.0-cil made it work.  so is this the sort of thing that would require a bug report?
[20:09] <c2tarun> mcnate: you can try, but just asking, what is problem with emacs of vim?
[20:09] <tsimpson> giantpune: yes, you should file a bug about it
[20:10] <tsimpson> c2tarun: some people want a (real) GUI ;)
[20:10] <Helpmeout2> tsimpson: should i make my files partition ext4?
[20:10] <Helpmeout2> or a diff. file structure
[20:10] <tsimpson> ext3 or ext4, flip a coin
[20:11] <Helpmeout2> ill stick to 4 then
[20:12] <Helpmeout2> any good web dev apps for linux
[20:12] <Helpmeout2> i remember some really popular text editor
[20:13] <Helpmeout2> that i use to have on ubuntu
[20:13] <tsimpson> probably quanta
[20:13] <tsimpson> !html
[20:13] <mcnate> I will test ANjuta
[20:13] <mcnate> With Code Blocks there are errors
[20:14] <Helpmeout2> nice
[20:14] <Helpmeout2> i love this channel, you guys have been nice and helpful
[20:15] <mcnate> luckely i can programming with HTML/CSS/PHP and MYSQL
[20:15] <mcnate> On linux
[20:15] <Helpmeout2> you running a LAMP test server
[20:15] <Helpmeout2> ?
[20:15] <Helpmeout2> i hate CSS
[20:16] <mcnate> LOl
[20:16] <mcnate> Why?
[20:16] <Helpmeout2> because of browser compatibility issues
[20:16] <Helpmeout2> oh and i hate internet explorer
[20:16] <tsimpson> 1) everyone hates CSS, 2) #kubuntu-offtopic is our chat channel :)
[20:16] <mcnate> Have you got Firefox?
[20:17] <Helpmeout2> css 3 looks kind of broken already too
[20:17] <Helpmeout2> but not yet finished
[20:17] <mcnate> Or Konqueror
[20:18] <mcnate> tsimpson: Have you got firefox or Konqueror,
[20:18] <mcnate> ?
[20:18] <tsimpson> yes and yes
[20:18] <PC_Bot> if you have kubuntu, you have both by default
[20:18] <tsimpson> no, not FF by default (only the FF installer)
[20:18] <mcnate> So where are the issues?
[20:19] <mcnate> I go sorry
[20:24] <Helpmeout2> oh i just got an ipod touch for my b-day, does linux have run itunes?
[20:24] <Helpmeout2> or have a compatible prog
[20:26] <Helpmeout2> dang, did i ask the forbidden question or something lol
[20:29] <Mc-Nate> Re
[20:29] <Mc-Nate> Re
[20:29] <Mc-Nate> I will install Squid on Kubuntu
[20:31] <Mc-Nate> IS there somebody?
[20:31] <Helpmeout2> you want to know how?
[20:32] <Mc-Nate> No anything
[20:32] <tsimpson> Helpmeout2: itunes does not run on linux, blame apple for being evil
[20:32] <tsimpson> !itunes
[20:32] <tsimpson> and...
[20:32] <tsimpson> !ipod
[20:32] <Aniar> !help
[20:33] <Aniar> !pulse
[20:33] <Aniar> not quite..
[20:34] <Mc-Nate> But if Itunes don't fonction on Linux why you don't use Windows?
[20:34] <Mc-Nate> After you met the musics and Usb key and after you met the musics on LInux
[20:37] <Helpmeout2> should i encrypt my home folder?
[20:37] <tsimpson> you could, but you certainly don't have to
[20:38] <Mc-Nate> I will learn Python
[20:38] <tsimpson> Helpmeout2: it's up to you. it add extra security, but it also adds extra complexity
[20:38] <Helpmeout2> im going for it
[20:38] <Mc-Nate> tsimpson have you got proxy?
[20:38] <tsimpson> also, if you forget the password to decrypt it, you can't regain access
[20:38] <jmichaelx> Helpmeout2: you would likely take somewhat of a performance hit, if you do. that is worthwhile to consider, if you happen to be using older hardware
[20:38] <Helpmeout2> you can about learn anything on the web
[20:39] <tsimpson> Mc-Nate: no
[20:39] <Helpmeout2> i have a i5 720 4 gigs of ram, im decent
[20:39] <Mc-Nate> Yes in France they have the "SIte du zéro"
[20:39] <sysop-work> ok I have a block on my screen I cant get to go away. I even tried switching the displays and it followed the display.
[20:39] <jmichaelx> Helpmeout2: yeah, you'll have no problem
[20:39] <Helpmeout2> prob getting another 4 gigs and xfire my graphics cards
[20:39] <tsimpson> Helpmeout2: just to make sure you see; if you forget the password to decrypt it, you can't regain access, the data is lost
[20:39] <Helpmeout2> burn my system up lol
[20:40] <Mc-Nate> http://www.siteduzero.com/
[20:40] <Mc-Nate> I learn the html/csss/php/mysql and the C in this web site
[20:41] <Helpmeout2> are you good with php?
[20:41] <Mc-Nate> I learned*
[20:41] <Mc-Nate> Yes
[20:41] <Mc-Nate> Why?
[20:41] <sysop-work> how to force kde to refresh the screen?
[20:41] <Mc-Nate> You want a web site?
[20:41] <Mc-Nate> Hahahha
[20:41] <Helpmeout2> where is a good documentation site
[20:41] <Helpmeout2> with global cmds etc..
[20:41] <Mc-Nate> I know a french site
[20:42] <Mc-Nate> You speak french?
[20:42] <Helpmeout2> nah
[20:42] <Helpmeout2> i took spanish and suck at that
[20:42] <Mc-Nate> Lol
[20:42] <Helpmeout2> not many Frenchmen running around in USA
[20:42] <Mc-Nate> I speak french/english and spanish
[20:43] <Helpmeout2> well not in the dirty south anyways
[20:43] <Mc-Nate> So you ned a good documentation site?
[20:43] <Mc-Nate> need*
[20:44] <Mc-Nate> For the php:
[20:44] <Helpmeout2> oh did anyone answer my question on ipod software
[20:44] <seicherlbob> diff is showing a whole file to be different, but i cant see a single difference. Never seen that before. Any suggestions whats going wrong?
[20:44] <Helpmeout2> yeah i was reading php.net
[20:44] <Helpmeout2> but their tutorials are tricky
[20:44] <Mc-Nate> http://php.net/docs.php
[20:44] <Mc-Nate> Ah okay
[20:45] <Helpmeout2> i wan't to learn about security with php first
[20:45] <Helpmeout2> so i don't open myself up for attack
[20:45] <Mc-Nate> For attack what?
[20:45] <Helpmeout2> when i make my page
[20:46] <Helpmeout2> you have to secure your code
[20:46] <Mc-Nate> Yes and?
[20:46] <Mc-Nate> it's easy
[20:46] <Helpmeout2> or ppl can input code
[20:46] <Mc-Nate> I have got one book
[20:46] <Helpmeout2> oh nothing i was saying i need to read up on php security
[20:46] <Mc-Nate> on the security
[20:46] <Mc-Nate> of the computer
[20:46] <Helpmeout2> with sql injection and all that gayness
[20:47] <Mc-Nate> ANd javascript
[20:47] <Helpmeout2> is jquery all what it is cracked up to be?
[20:47] <Helpmeout2> looks like a useful library
[20:48] <Mc-Nate> Sorry i don't unterstand your message ( i'm french)
[20:48] <Helpmeout2> have you worked with jquery?
[20:48] <Mc-Nate> no
[20:48] <nikitis> I need help with sound.  I installed OSSv4 as WINE needed it for compiling.  However, now I have no sound period, and my sound device in Sound and Video Configuration screen are greyed out.
[20:48] <Helpmeout2> it is a javascript library
[20:49] <Mc-Nate> I have worked with WAMP for php/mysql
[20:49] <Helpmeout2> basically shorthand javascript
[20:49] <Mc-Nate> and Java with Eclipse
[20:49] <Helpmeout2> oooh java, i thought you said javascript
[20:49] <Mc-Nate> Yes
[20:50] <Mc-Nate> But i say "And javascript injection"
[20:50] <Mc-Nate> I not learn the javascript and java
[20:50] <Aniar> nikitis: is your user in the "pulse-access" group?
[20:50] <Aniar> nikitis: and do you have skype installed?
[20:50] <Mc-Nate> I know the php mysql html css and C
[20:51] <Mc-Nate> I will learn the python
[20:51] <Mc-Nate> And i will forget the web languages
[20:52] <nikitis> Aniar, I don't see pulse-access under secondary groups
[20:53] <nikitis> Aniar, okay i just checked it yes
[20:53] <seawing> I am visiting my folks who have a westell7500 modem. I am running kubuntu 10.10 and can connect to most wireless networks that I encounter. With this router/modem, network managment finds it when doing a scan and I read that I enter the SN for the ssid and the WPA# for the password.  I have gotten it to connect for a few minutes but then it asks for the password again.  If I switch over to my windows partition, I can connect with no
[20:53] <seawing> difficulty, so I don't think it is a hardware issue.  any ideas how I can solve this?
[20:53] <Helpmeout2> where is terminal in kde
[20:53] <nikitis> Aniar, do I need to check pulse group as well?
[20:53] <Aniar> nikitis: and Skype?  Skype seems to grab some lock on pulse that wine/crossover can't get past
[20:53] <Aniar> nikitis: no, that's an internal-use group
[20:54] <Aniar> nikitis: and the skype problem I can only solve by not auto-launching skype
[20:54] <nikitis> i have skype installed however it was installed long before I had this problem,  And it' snot loaded atm
[20:54] <Aniar> nikitis: although, i'm stuck in a strange "only one program can access pulse at a time" problem.
[20:54] <Aniar> nikitis: try logging off, hit "ctrl-e" to reload kdm, then log back in, then try wine again
[20:55] <Aniar> once skype launches, it locks the audio away from wine (documented in a crossover bug)
[20:57] <nikitis> Aniar, Didn't work i've really buggered my sound system
[20:57] <Helpmeout2> does kubuntu use the /sudo?
[20:57] <Helpmeout2> so /sudo apt-get update
[20:58] <nikitis> Aniar, when I go into Sound Control Panel I get a window  that says KDE Detected that one or more internal sound devices were removed.  DO you want to forget about these devices?  And it's my sound card!
[20:58] <genii-around> Helpmeout2: For command-line only apps, sudo is used for admin rights. For graphical apps in Kubuntu, kdesudo
[20:58] <nikitis> of course not
[20:59] <Mc-Nate> Yeaaaah
[20:59] <Mc-Nate> I have find THE ide
[20:59] <Aniar> nikitis: do you have other devices listed?
[20:59] <nikitis> DUMMY AUDIO
[21:00] <nikitis> Aniar, I want my HDA Intel to work.  KDE is saying it removed them, and is asking if it can forget about them.  I want the exact oposite
[21:00] <Helpmeout2> ok and during install i made a username and pass, which i just logged into... is this like the gnome version where root is locked?
[21:00] <nikitis> Why would OSSv4 remove my audio cards?
[21:00] <Helpmeout2> how do i see if im logged in as root
[21:00] <nikitis> Aniar, could it have blacklisted it?
[21:00] <Aniar> nikitis: it's not uninstalling the driver for the card
[21:01] <Aniar> nikitis: pulse is a sound server that interfacess with the hardware.  so it's talking about deregistering your HDA Intel with the pulse server
[21:01] <genii-around> Helpmeout2: root account is disabled in all *buntu by default
[21:01] <Aniar> forgetting it then removes the entries from the DB/conf file (whatever backends pulse)...
[21:01] <Helpmeout2> ok yeah
[21:01] <Aniar> nikitis: it's *supposed* to redetect on next startup, so that should be a safe operation
[21:01] <Aniar> nikitis: you upgraded from 10.04 too, right?
[21:01] <nikitis> Aniar, 10.10
[21:02] <nikitis> to 11.04
[21:02] <Aniar> nikitis: err. yeah.  me too
[21:02] <nikitis> but sound worked
[21:02] <nikitis> it only stopped working after I installed OSS
[21:02] <nikitis> Aniar, so how do I tell it to keep and use my sound card?
[21:02] <Aniar> nikitis: that's what I'm working out too...
[21:02] <Aniar> !pulse
[21:03] <Aniar> nikitis: have you checked that wiki yet?
[21:10] <Helpmeout2> is there any type of security software i need to get for kubuntu?
[21:11] <Helpmeout2> i know linux is virus free and all
[21:11] <Helpmeout2> but wasn't there a clam prog. or something
[21:14] <Helpmeout2> does itunes support linux
[21:15] <ChrisGagnon> Helpmeout2: most people used clamav to scan incoming email attachments on mail servers.
[21:16] <Helpmeout2> oh ok
[21:16] <Helpmeout2> what about itunes on linux? would i have to use wine?
[21:17] <Helpmeout2> and one more question and ill leave lol
[21:17] <Helpmeout2> after kdesudo apt-get upgrade, it says need to get 65.8mb/152mb of archives
[21:17] <Helpmeout2> what do i type in
[21:18] <Pici> usually after that it says something like: do you want to continue [Y/n]:   right?
[21:19] <Helpmeout2> nah
[21:19] <frodo>  @ Helpmeout2 check http://www.ehow.com/how_5197743_download-itunes-linux-ubuntu.html
[21:19] <Helpmeout2> says After this operation, 172kb disk space will be freed.
[21:19] <Pici> Helpmeout2: What does it say all the way at the bottom?
[21:20] <Helpmeout2> that is the last thing it says
[21:21] <Pici> Helpmeout2: It shouldn't be.  Try scrolling down, perhaps you accidentally scrolled up.
[21:23] <Helpmeout2> oh at the top QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/$user/.config/ibus/bus
[21:23] <Helpmeout2> maybe that has something to do with i
[21:23] <Helpmeout2> it
[21:26] <preecher> just installed unetbootin---when i try to open it it doesnt accept the admin password im using in kubu 11.04----ny ideas
[21:31] <Linkmaster> Hey
[21:32] <preecher> hey
[21:32] <Linkmaster> pretty quiet here as of now
[21:33] <preecher> i know---is there something simple im overlooking--ive instlled unetbootin & gparted and they will not accept my admin password
[21:34] <anoneemouse> i dont get it... no #qt channel.... am i missing something?
[21:35] <anoneemouse> *sorry for asking here
[21:36] <genii-around> anoneemouse: I just did /join #qt   and it exists, 536 ppl in it
[21:37] <anoneemouse> am i in some wretched forgotten timezone?
[21:37] <anoneemouse> :/
[21:39] <anoneemouse> your right... i wonder wtf happened earlier...
[21:39] <genii-around> anoneemouse: Perhaps you got caught in the middle of a netsplit
[21:40] <anoneemouse> probably... sadly it wasnt a banana split :(
[21:42] <anoneemouse> i guess i might as well ask a question while i am here... im using 11.04, and my screen resolution settings don't want to stay put. it keeps resetting to my dual monitor resolution, making some modal dialigs pop up half cut off on the left of my screen
[21:54] <Guest20921> hello
[21:55] <sammy_> hello
[21:58] <sammy_> hi
[21:58] <sammy_> hi
[21:58] <Linkmaster> hey
[21:58] <preecher> anyone know why unetbootin & gparted will not accept my password in kubu 11.04???
[21:59] <Linkmaster> What are you trying to do? :/
[21:59] <preecher> open it
[22:00] <preecher> instlled from kpackage & when i try to open either of them it says "wrong password"---only password i use
[22:00] <preecher> even tried installin from terminal--same results
[22:03] <Linkmaster> Hm..have you tried just pressing 'enter'?
[22:03] <preecher> lol well no now that you mention it
[22:04] <preecher> Failed to run /usr/bin/unetbootin ''rootcheck=no'' as user root.
[22:04] <preecher> Wrong password.
[22:05] <preecher> do you happen to know the terminal command to open unetbootin--mybe i try that
[22:06] <preecher> well i used just unetbootin and got the same results
[22:39] <preecher> isnt there a way to have the ubuntu software center instead of using kpackage?
[22:43] <anoneemouse> im sure you can install it preecher
[22:44] <ubuntu> HOW CAN I USE THE KONSOLE AUTO AS ROOT?
[22:44] <preecher> if i cant get this unetbootin issue figured out im just gonna switch to something else--i like & use it alot
[22:51] <rosco_y> I suddenly lost all of my audio, does anyone have any ideas I can try?
[22:54] <rosco_y> never mind my audio, it was my headphones (volume dial turned all the way down :(
[23:54] <Abhish> Cairo dock won't launch Kopete or Conversation. Don't know why. I have the KDE integration packkage installed.
[23:55]  * Linkmaster was planning on vidling with Cairo sometime or another
[23:55] <Linkmaster> You can use Docky, thats what I'm using
[23:56] <Abhish> Linkmaster: Cairo is very nice actually, and excepting this issue integrates very nicely. This may not be an issue in Kubuntu though. I use openSUSE, but nobody in that channel seems to use Cairo.
[23:57] <Linkmaster> Oh, I've wanted to use Cairo forever, I can't stand the GTK libs of Docky :P
[23:57] <Linkmaster> You using KDE?
[23:58] <dijonyummy> is kde/kubuntu for 11.04 very very slow for you folks? anything to improve it, i'm under virtualbox but still seems too slow, not just ui, but also networking
[23:58] <Linkmaster> Because my only experience with openSUSE has been...bad, to say the least. My school uses a cracked up, locked down version of it supporte by Novell, so it sucks..
[23:59] <Abhish> Linkmaster: Always KDE. Cairo only occasionaly reveals its GTK roots. Otherwise it feels native.
[23:59] <Linkmaster> dijonyummy: Its pretty snappy for me, especially on less then a gig of RAM, so its probably the VB. You need the RAM to use the original OS plus whatever RAM you need to run the GuestOS. So that makes it slower
[23:59] <Linkmaster> Abhish: its probably because there are decent ports over to KDE