[05:01] sudo apt-add-repository ppa:pcf/miro-releases; sudo apt-get update = Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pcf/miro-releases/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages [05:01] https://launchpad.net/~pcf/+archive/miro-releases says "adding ppa:pcf/miro-releases to your system's Software Sources" [05:02] so what broke? [05:02] CarlFK: nothing published in natty [05:02] ah, right. thanks [05:08] https://launchpad.net/~pcf/+archive/miro-testing that has natty. I will swear it wasn't working either, but now it is. === maco2 is now known as maco [06:57] So, seems some people are being booted from teams without advance warning... [06:57] See #ubuntu-devel for some examples. [06:57] I haven't... Yet. [07:31] yo, is expired SNAFU [07:31] just seen ~30 expires on https://launchpad.net/~papercuts-ninja and other people are reporting similiar for other teams on #ubuntu-devel [07:32] I thought I answered that in #ubuntu-devel :( [07:32] 15:58:16 < wgrant> The expiry script has been broken for a week or so... but I thought it was still sending warnings. [07:32] 15:59:13 < wgrant> All the expiries were legitimate, just without warning :/ [07:34] mmm, could do with better interlocking [07:34] but 1 weeks sounds like the timeframe for a full set of warnings :) [07:35] Well. [07:35] I'm fairly sure that I'd recently *renewed* my ubuntu-sponsors membership. Or maybe I'd resolved to renew it once the next warning message came… [07:36] Renewals were not reversed. [07:36] But expiry was delayed and warnings were unsent. [08:20] are you going to reverse the ones that just happened or should we be readding people? [08:29] can they readd themselves? [08:32] Most of them were in open teams. [08:42] we had a small number of developers expire [08:42] I'll just re-add them then [08:44] Ah, yeah, I see three motu members there :/ [08:44] Probably best to readd them. [09:00] hi, could someone help me? We need to change the owner of a team on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/158960 and someone has assigned the question to the 'launchpad-translations-coordinators' team, who hasn't got the permissions to do such things. Could someone please assign it to a person or team who can actually change ownerships? Thanks [09:03] dpm: You've approved the request? [09:04] which ubuntu repo's are turned on by default for the ubuntu ppa packages build environment? [09:04] wgrant, I suggested the original poster to file the request, since the current team owner is unresponsive. [09:04] flower: updates and security. [09:04] flower: You can change this under the 'Edit PPA dependencies' link on the PPA page. [09:05] wgrant: but you can't build all the packages with just updates and security? what about main universe multiverse etc? [09:05] dpm: Right, but allowing randoms to request takeovers of a team is not likely to work very well. We would generally seek approval from a community leader. [09:05] flower: Ah, those two dimensions are orthogonal. [09:06] flower: By default you can build against all components (main, restricted, universe, multiverse). [09:06] wgrant, what kind of approval do you need? Is my comment on the support request not enough? [09:07] wgrant: ok. In which repo's are the non-free packages? [09:07] dpm: A comment is enough, but I don't see one... [09:07] dpm: I see one suggesting further discussion. [09:07] flower: multiverse. [09:07] wgrant: thanks [09:07] 'Use the same components used for each source in the Ubuntu primary archive.' [09:08] which are they? [09:08] is that main? [09:08] It depends on the package. [09:08] Check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/SOURCEPACKAGENAME [09:08] wgrant, as I say, I'm fine with the team ownership change, since I suggested him to file the request myself. Is this enough for an approval or shall I add another comment? [09:09] dpm: That's fine. I've assigned it to the LOSAs. [09:09] wgrant, excellent, thanks! [09:17] Is there any place in launchpad which shows a list of all branches subscribed to by a team? [09:19] maxb: http://code.launchpad.net/~launchpad/+subscribedbranches [09:19] maxb: http://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/+subscribedbranches, I guess. [09:19] Thanks [09:19] Did I just miss a link somewhere? [09:20] oh, the top right portlet [09:20] Yeah. [09:20] Also, suppressing team bugmail on a per-user basis *is* part of the structural subscription work. Beta testers have access to it now. [09:20] https://launchpad.net/bzr/+subscriptions [09:20] There's a mute link there. [09:21] Yes, I should probably just reply to the email, but meh. [09:21] So *that's* where it's hiding [09:21] Links in bugmail will be updated once the feature is released. [09:21] It's hard to do that on a per-user basis. [09:23] I think we still want to go forward with a team reorganization though [09:24] Yeah. [09:24] I think it's sensible. [09:24] Although I would like to ban team notifications. [09:24] They serve very little purpose. [09:24] huh, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+subscriptions showing me a bugmail subscription or a branch subscription? Or both? [09:25] Bugmail. [09:25] That only does bugmail for now. [09:25] ah. I care mainly about branch subscriptions right now [09:26] Bug subscriptions were brought up somewhere in that thread. [09:26] And are a little more managable now. [09:27] Yes, I tried to keep the thread focussed on a single kind of email, but people resisted my efforts :-) [09:44] https://launchpad.net/~sladen/+archivesubscriptions/18181/+index "https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntufontbetatesting-merged/" [09:44] where's the -merged coming from? [09:45] uh oh [09:45] did someone merge an account with a PPA? [09:46] in the mean-time, could you do a quick grep for me and (try) to find out where that PPA is now [09:46] so that I can upload to it ;-) [09:46] (and fix the documentation to match) [09:46] you need a losa or someone doing the maintenance rotatioj [09:46] rotation [09:47] and you now have an orphan repo [09:47] so don't upload to it [10:02] Hello all, it seems that suddenly all members of ~papercuts-ninja got expired, without any prior notifications or so [10:07] cdbs: There was a bug in the notification script, and 30 members were expired today -- correctly, but without prior warning. [10:08] wgrant: aiey, explains things [10:08] was shocked to see myself expired suddenly from 4 teams [10:28] Aloha [10:28] Hello there czajkowski [10:28] Wotcher czajkowski. [10:29] * czajkowski hands gmb a mug of tea [10:29] you sound like you need it [10:29] cdbs: howdy [10:29] Thankee kindly. [10:35] cjohnston: I'm fine, thanks. You? [10:35] How's the LoCo world to deal with? :) [10:40] cdbs: I assume you mean me :) [10:40] oops, yeah [10:40] locoteams are interesting and always enjoyable [10:40] anyway, we're going too offtopic on #launchpad === doko_ is now known as doko === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [11:58] launchpad is spamming with bug mails for new imports from upstream trackers === henninge is now known as henninge-lunch === jtv is now known as jtv-afk [12:14] I'm looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/natty/gtodo to get the source. the 2nd file seems to be the source, the third file is an ubuntu-specific patch i guess. what's the first one for? [12:15] doko: sourceware specifically, or others? [12:16] yes, most of it sourceware [12:16] I believe deryck just added the sourceware username to the lp config [12:16] but maybe it's just me subscribed to these reports ;) [12:16] no, I got ulrich's lovely wontfix comment on bug 234105 [12:16] Launchpad bug 234105 in langpack-locales (Ubuntu) "Support latin locale" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234105 [12:17] Ahaha, hadn't seen that one. [12:18] doko: so, please file a bug - we shouldn't spam out notifications when we first sync with a bugtracker [12:18] doko: but these are genuine first-time-they-were-synced, its just catching up on the newly added bugtracker with all the old watches [12:18] u_user: Those three files are the source packages. You give the .dsc to 'dpkg-source -x' to extract the package. [12:19] u_user: The .dsc lists the other files in the package, and other metadata. [12:19] doko: so it will stop once its caught up (vs looping forwever) [12:20] wgrant: ok, thanks, will have to read the manpage but i know were to start now :) [12:35] Did something strange happen with team expirations? I just woke up to a LOT of emails saying people expired froms teams. I got 2 such emails for myself, and I know I did not get any warning emails that my membership was expiring [12:36] Ah, just saw a comment from someone saying it was a bug [12:37] A bug had broken the notification/warning script for slightly over a week. [12:37] We didn't realise warnings weren't being sent either. [12:37] So around 150 memberships correctly expired a few hours ago, but without any warning. [12:38] Sorry, 150 memberships that were in non-open teams. === henninge-lunch is now known as henninge === matsubara-afk is now known as matsubara === gary_poster changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: gary_poster | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [14:24] so, how do I become a Ubuntu member again? I was expired without warning. [14:28] Simira: I would suggest an e-mail to the CC [14:30] StevenK, btw there's a problem with expring email. To day I expired from ubuntu testing without warning [14:31] StevenK: to all 300 that happened to? There's not going to be a fix for it? [14:31] xdatap1: known, the script to send out the reminders was bugged [14:31] geser, ok. Thanks [14:32] flacoste, hello [14:32] Simira: I suspect a bunch of the teams were open, ubuntumembers is probably one of the restricted ones. [14:33] But wgrant did the analysis [14:35] good point [14:37] hi xdatap1 [14:38] flacoste, hi, nice to meet you. I'm the community guy who wrote this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/bug-workaround [14:38] flacoste, I've seen you marked it obsolete, is that idea already in another spec? [14:42] xdatap1: we don't use specs [14:42] it's tracked in bug 54652 [14:42] Launchpad bug 54652 in Launchpad itself "Add a "workaround" field to bug" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54652 [14:43] flacoste, oh, wow, it's an old idea! 2006-07-31 [14:44] flacoste, I will subscribe to that bug. Thank you [15:38] can I have more than one repository in a project? [15:38] and how do I do that [15:39] santagada: you mean a bzr repository? [15:41] ahasenack, I don't know it really, I want to have two directories that can be bzr checkout individually and have their own history [15:41] on mercurial and git this is a repository [15:41] the launchpad manual just talks about branches [15:42] santagada: ok, it's the same in that sense [15:42] santagada: the urls look like lp:~yourusername/projectname/branch [15:42] santagada: so yeah, you can have several [15:42] so a branch in bzr is a repo in other dvcs? [15:42] santagada: lp:~santagada/myproject/trunk, lp:~santagada/myproject/production, lp:~santagada/myproject/fix-for-1234, etc [15:42] they don't share history or code [15:42] nope [15:43] I want to have things like account_manager and account_blablabla [15:43] two different directories [15:43] they are plugins for the system [15:43] ah, ok, yes, there can bedifferent repositories too, it's just not visible in the url [15:44] ahasenack, how to do this? [15:44] santagada: you should join #bzr probably [15:48] Actually, #launchpad is the correct place, as it's a question entirely about the usage of Launchpad [15:49] well but do anyone knows this? [15:50] You can push entirely unrelated code to branches under a single project if you want to [15:50] However, it's generally better to register a separate project for each codebase [15:50] maxb, but I don't care about branches [15:50] or is branches what bzr calls repositories? [15:51] No, branches are branches [15:51] Even if you only have one of them [15:51] so my question remains [15:51] can I push two different repositories to the same project? [15:51] two things with no common root or files or history? [15:51] The main difference with Bazaar is that the primary object you interact with is the branch, not the repository [15:52] Effectively, every branch has its own repository. Most branches on Launchpad use "stacking" - the branch's repository only contains some of the history and refers to another one that contains the rest. [15:53] To facilitate this, Launchpad automatically sets up stacking onto the development focus branch of the project when you push a new branch [15:54] Whilst there's no constraint that all the branches within a project have any common history, it can be surprising to users if this is not the case [15:55] Also, if the development focus branch is not a suitable stacking base, each branch will end up storing a full copy of the history involved, which can make pushing new branches take an excess amount of time and bandwidth [15:56] not having repositories is very confusing [15:57] makes no sense to talk about different things as branches, when they don't share any ancestor [16:00] maxb, thanks for the help but its too confusing for me [16:01] You only think it doesn't make sense because you are so used to the way git and mercurial do it [16:01] makes no sense to talk about different things as branches, when they don't share any ancestor [16:02] maxb, and i'm to used to real trees [16:02] Of course it does. There are branches of the Linux kernel and there are branches of MySQL, and they have no ancestry whatsoever, but they are both branches [16:03] maxb, branches of what? [16:03] Branches of their respective projects [16:03] uhm so it is project that is the same as a repository [16:04] No [16:05] A repository is simple a container for storing revisions on disk [16:06] well, they are branches of a tree, a tree in hg or git is a repo, a tree in bazaar is a project [16:06] Well.... no. [16:07] And what do you mean by "tree" anyway? [16:07] Tree of files? Tree of revisions? [16:07] maxb, revisions [16:07] maxb, common history [16:08] The term tree in bzr jargon usually refers to a tree of files. [16:08] A collection of related revisions in any DVCS isn't strictly a tree, but a graph [16:09] maxb, ok I was going to say graph, or dag [16:09] ok [16:09] And, nothing in hg or git or bzr says I have to restrict myself to one DAG per repository, other than common conventions [16:09] just sanity [16:09] :) [16:11] well so if I have completely different branches on the same project on launchpad things are not going to work in my favor [16:12] so it is one project per set of files (graph or dag) that I want to control versions [16:16] now I have a project to delete in launchpad [16:34] It was not obvious to me how to create a milestone in Launchpad is there a howto page or a link on how to create a milestone? [16:38] Guest16011: not sure. if you click on a series from your project's main page, you'll get to a page (e.g. https://launchpad.net/testtools/trunk) with a link to "Create a milestone" [16:40] jml - thank you - just saw the 'Create a milestone" I need to check my eyes again. thx [16:40] Guest16011: np. [16:51] jml: do you know which role you have to have on the project to be able to create series and milestones? I could create milestone on the staging server, but not on a real project? [17:02] Guest16011: umm... you have to be the "driver", I think. [17:02] sinzui: ? ^^ [17:03] Guest16011: you must be a project owner or the driver of the series to create a milestone [17:03] the series driver is called the Release Manager [17:03] sinzui: jml: thank you [17:04] sinzui: can multiple people be the Release Managers? [17:04] Guest16011: no, but you can assign a team composed of many users [17:05] sinzui: ok [17:05] Guest16011: https://launchpad.net/people shows links to register a new team [17:06] sinzui: ok will follow that thread - thank again === microcai1 is now known as microcai === CarlFK1 is now known as CarlFK [17:17] guys, how can i turn off bug notifications? [17:17] got 25 emails last night [17:17] not cool [17:21] Only 25? :-) [17:21] It tells you at the bottom of each email why Launchpad is sending it to you === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === jcsackett is now known as jcsackett-lunch === braiam is now known as braiam-l === braiam-l is now known as braiam [18:01] hey there, i created a team mailing list and sent a test mail to it. because i didn't want it to get published, i clicked "decline" on the "moderate" page. now i believe my e-mail address is blacklisted. any ideas?? [18:01] i already tried deleting the mailing list, deleting the team -- nothing helps [18:27] hi, can someone with the appropriate rights set these proposals to Rejected? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/rxtx/natty-201105201225/+merge/61757 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/rxtx/natty-201105201529/+merge/61791 [18:28] i can upload these packages, but can't modify the status [18:28] guest129: after declining the test message you then sent a subsequent message that never arrived, and that's why you think your emails are being dropped? [18:29] benji: yep, i sent a couple of messages after the test message [18:29] and they are not added to the moderation overview [18:30] and i even tried to delete+re-create the list -- but nothing seemed to help [18:33] ok, I'm trying to figure out what's going on [18:34] thank you so much!!! i know it's really stupid :-) [18:40] guest129: did you "reject" or "discard"? [18:40] AFAIK i discarded. i didnt know that it would have such an impact [18:42] I don't think it will. I can't say for certain, but I can't find any evidence that discarding a message will blacklist the user. [18:43] hm. what now? i definitely cant send mails to it... [18:43] I'm surprised the message was held for moderation to begin with. Did you send it from an address that Launchpad knows is you? [18:43] yes. it's the only address i registered with launchpad [18:50] guest129: if you would, try sending another message and I'm going to as well; yours shoudl go through without moderation and mine should require moderation [18:50] and while we're waiting for those to be processed I'm going to grab some lunch [18:50] okay. will do. and i'll grad dinner :-D [18:51] :) [18:53] i did get the mail of yours, even though it's not in the archives... === jcsackett-lunch is now known as jcsackett === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [19:24] benji: just let me know once you're back :-D [19:28] binwiederhier: I'm back [19:31] do you know what could be [19:31] that the mails are delivered, but gmail doesnt show them [19:32] hello is it possible to remove comment in launchapd? [19:32] benji: and since there is noone else in the list, nobody else gets the mail [19:32] benji: when are the archives updated? [19:33] binwiederhier: I don't know what the schedule is off the top of my head. [19:33] benji: would you mind joining the list, so i can send a mail and you tell me wether or not you received it? would be great! [19:34] binwiederhier: sure, one sec [19:34] Kangarooo: do you have a potential spam comment? [19:34] delete plz this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/788591/comments/2 i found out that 2nd comment has nothing to do with bug. that its another bug. [19:34] Ubuntu bug 788591 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "On panel netw man app changed its position" [Undecided,New] [19:35] so i dont confuze ppl. [19:39] benji: the first message from 3 hours ago just appeared in the archive [19:39] benji: i bet the rest will follow ... [19:40] binwiederhier: cool; I'm working with someone that knows more about LP mailing lists to see what's going on [19:40] Kangarooo: I hid the comment for you. [19:40] benji: you're the best! [19:40] benji: thx [19:42] benji: Kangarooo: I think we need to consider that the archive can be days behind because of backlogs [19:42] sinzui: I think you meant to address that to binwiederhier [19:43] sinzui: propably yes propably no it might be like how u say i dont know :) [19:43] binwiederhier: : seeing the message tells us that MM accepted the message and sent it to the list and archive. The archive is behind by a few hours today. Have you gotten any of the messages [19:44] sorry Kangarooo. I jumped into a conversation without asking who needs mailing list help [19:45] binwiederhier: we know that the actual list email is processed in minutes. so I believe you should have gotten every email you have sent. Well, at least the one we see in the archive [19:47] sinzui: i believe i found out that the problem is with gmail. [19:47] binwiederhier: okay [19:48] "Note: if you use Gmail and you do not see your own posts arrive in your inbox, it is probably because of this issue. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it, but if you check your list's archive, your message should appear there. " https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp [19:49] sinzui: one more question. If I delete this mailing list, and re-create it directly afterwards, will the "test" mails i sent earlier be delivered to the new archive? [19:50] binwiederhier: the archive is never purged [19:50] you can deactivate it, you can even purge Lp's knowledge of it, but the archive will only be removed when an admin rms it [19:52] hm. could you maybe delete the archive for me? (i assume you are one of the admins) [19:53] sinzui: i mean, once all the mails are sent are in there ... [19:54] I cannot [19:54] You can ask a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad and a system admin can delete it [19:55] ah sinzui u meaned that comment is also in archive in mailinglist of team witch is for package to what i posted that comment? [19:56] sinzui: but that'd mean i will have to publicly name the list. is there a way to contact an admin privately= [19:56] ? [20:00] Kangarooo: I confused you because I should have been messaging to binwiederhier. But to you question about the comment, yes we can easily remove the comment [20:00] * sinzui looks [20:01] sinzui: yes that comment is already removed. [20:01] Kangarooo: looks like benji removed the comment already [20:01] yep [20:02] im not like using a lot mailing lists- like to find where could that comment be sent to witch mailing list. but thats ok if its sent. [20:04] sinzui: what do i do now to get all these "hello/welcome" messages out? [20:06] binwiederhier: you can ask a question, system admins can remove messages. [20:07] binwiederhier: only private teams (requires a commercial subscription) can have private lists. Did you want a private lists? [20:07] Most lists begin with test messages. No one is startled by them [20:07] no. i do not. i just want the welcome messages out of there. if it as one or two, but not 10?! [20:09] well, if there is no other way, i'll ask then in the answers section of LP [20:09] thank you guys! [20:09] both of you! [20:10] binwiederhier: it is okay to ask for their removal, I was just uncertain about publicly naming the list. All lists are public unless the team was setup to be private by an admin [20:10] If a mercurial import fails, do I need to file a bug, or does that automatically show up on the relevant people's radar? If I need to file a bug, what do I need to file it against? [20:10] alright. i'll find a way :-) thank you! [20:11] soren: ask a question, a vcadmin will investigate. a bug is only needed to fix a defect in code [20:12] sinzui: I think it is a defect, but I can start with a question :) Just "against" launchpad itself? [20:12] sinzui: Or against the project and then subscribe someone? [20:12] soren: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [20:12] sinzui: Ta. [20:13] soren: the only hg defect I know of is that we cannot import non-master branches [20:14] sinzui: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/72481990/soren-xen-4.1-hg.log [20:15] sinzui: It doesn't seem to like utf-8 or something. [20:17] sinzui: Question filed. Thanks. [20:19] soren: I do not know much about imports, but your log looks similar to the utf8 issues reported on https://dev.launchpad.net/FailingBzrGitImports and https://dev.launchpad.net/FailingBzrGitImports . If there is not an immediate fix, I believe a FailingHgImports pag will be started [20:20] sinzui: Those two links are identical. Did you mean to give me two different ones? [20:20] Aren't they? [20:20] * soren stares some more [20:20] https://dev.launchpad.net/FailingBzrZvnImports [20:21] https://dev.launchpad.net/FailingBzrSvnImports [20:21] *chuckle* [20:22] sinzui: Thanks. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:39] guys, this is pathetic [20:39] im getting spammed with 20+ mails per hour [20:39] and i cant even unsubcribe [20:40] it says "Your team Aiki Framework Developers is subscribed to branch lp:aikiframework. [20:40] To unsubscribe from this branch go to https://code.launchpad.net/~aikiframework-devel/aikiframework/trunk/+edit-subscription" [20:40] and when i go there, it says "You are not currently subscribed to this branch." [20:41] im about to just mark those emails as spam and forget about it [20:44] Cube``: are all the message the same? [20:44] benji: no, its different bug reports etc [20:50] Cube``: Will you pastebin one of the messages at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ so I can take a look at it? [20:51] sure [20:55] Cube``: ~aikiframework-devel is subscribed to the branch though [20:55] I agree that the link in the email is wrong, though [21:00] Cube``: We'll be releasing some new features to manage bug email in the next week or so that should help you get less of the messages you don't want. [21:01] also, the "Aiki Framework Developers" team is the bug supervisor for "Aiki Framework", so if you are on that team you will get lots of bug mail [21:01] * benji has to join a phone call now. [21:02] benji: I don't believe any of those features address branch-based subscriptions, though [21:02] maxb: right, but he also said that he was getting lots of bug mail (which the features do help with) [21:07] maxb: so, how can i get myself removed from there? [21:09] Cube``: Your options are to leave the ~aikiframework-devel team, or to unsubscribe the team from the branch [21:09] If you opt for the second, you might want to contact the team or team owner first [21:10] ugh [21:10] maxb: i thank you for your help, but neither are good options === mwhudson_ is now known as mwhudson [23:26] out of curiosity, are there known scaling issues with the dependency tracker in blueprints? [23:26] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-arm-server - cause I kinda broke it :-) [23:44] NCommander: looks ok to me? [23:46] mwhudson: its a bit hard to see what's going where. It was a lot mor eorganized before I added the last dependency [23:47] NCommander: well [23:47] NCommander: blame dot? :)