[01:53] CarlFK: yeah, just saying 'four' would make sense to me, too. (if that's what you're suggesting...) === j1mc_away is now known as j1mc === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === CarlFK1 is now known as CarlFK [22:00] j1mc: 20:00 UTC on Sunday? [22:00] mdke: how did you guess? [22:01] i was just getting ready to send out an email and put stuff up on the wiki [22:01] ah, cool [22:01] * mdke clicks "Discard" [22:01] yeah, that time seemed to work best for most of the 'usual suspects' [22:02] 7/8 on the poll; and it looks like the 1/8 is a duplicate [22:02] ah, nice [22:03] i emailed jeremy bicha to see if that time worked for him, but figured that it would be better to get the time on ppl's calendars rather than wait much longer. [22:03] i hope he can make it [22:03] yeah [22:03] he has quite odd sleeping patterns iirc [22:03] ;) [22:03] :) [22:04] to change the subject slightly [22:04] are there any packagers interested in documentation that you know of? [22:04] I used to rely on LaserJock for packaging help but he isn't active anymore [22:05] yeah... i am interested in learning it. i know of some people in my loco team who are good with packaging, but they only have a passing interest in docs. [22:05] even nixternal (rich johnson) isn't around much these days. [22:06] I haven't had any response to my call for help, and it is blocking a first upload to oneiric of ubuntu-docs [22:06] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033227.html [22:06] if you have any ideas, let me know! [22:07] i could bug micah gersten (micahg) about it. he does a lot of mozilla packaging. [22:07] he's from chicago, too. [22:08] if he is willing, that would be awesome. Actually he was asking me last release about the homepage for another browser [22:09] ah, ok. i just send him a note on irc, so we'll see what he says. if he can't help, i asked if he could point me to someone who could help [22:10] thanks dude [22:11] I had a look through your draft strategy document, it looks pretty solid [22:11] thanks for working on that [22:11] ah, cool. thanks. [22:11] more still to do on it. [22:12] i guess we can chat through it at the meeting [22:12] even if nobody pushed to it, i wanted it at least to be out in the open. yep, i'm sure we can talk more about it at the meeting. [22:12] take it section by section [22:13] but I didn't really have any immediate comments as I was skimming it [22:14] you mean you have better things to do??? ;) [22:15] no, honestly I thought it was good and couldn't really improve on it [22:16] coolness [22:22] man we have a lot of wiki pages [22:22] we need to try and cut the volume of material down I think [22:22] (in the team pages) [22:22] mdke; Really? I've only seen a few [22:23] Cut volume down in team pages? What do you mean by that? [22:23] mdke: yeah... there's a lot of cruft [22:23] MrChrisDruif: I mean that we have too many wiki pages for our team [22:23] MrChrisDruif: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ... look at the bottom of the page [22:24] look at all of the subpages [22:24] we have like 70 pages [22:24] Wow.. [22:24] Btw ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam?action=LocalSiteMap [22:24] And I'm not sure it makes a good overview <_<" [22:25] thanks, MrChrisDruif ... that's helpful [22:25] that doesn't seem to show them all though, there are way more [22:25] Well...not really actually...second time I've noticed the localsitemap function isn't functioning properly [22:25] see the right hand column on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/X [22:40] * mdke prunes [22:44] :) [22:46] j1mc: how did the word "guide" get put into the title of the new gnome-help, do you know? It seems a bit out of place [22:47] * j1mc looks quizzically (sp?) ... i'm not sure what you mean. [22:48] it's called "Gnome Desktop Guide" right [22:48] or "Ubuntu Desktop Guide" in ours [22:48] but it isn't a guide at all, "guide" seems to imply one long linear document [22:48] I just wondered if it was discussed [22:49] good point [22:49] i think it was just how we referred to it [22:49] I think it was called that before as well, maybe it got carried over [22:50] how about we rename ours to "Ubuntu Help" in the next release? [22:52] something like that would be ok, yeah. I still like how 'guide' sounds, but you're right in that it's not linear. [22:53] to me, Ubuntu Help is too brief [22:54] 'ubuntu help compendium' :) [23:00] Compendium? "This non-native user goes to find what it means :P" [23:00] Ubuntu Desktop Help [23:00] Alright...seems pretty to be spot on actually [23:01] MrChrisDruif: i was joking about compendium. :) it is accurate, but too serious, me thinks. :) [23:01] * MrChrisDruif learns more works daily [23:01] words* [23:01] :) [23:02] Well, we might want to start to show a little more "professionalism" towards new users...I don't know.. [23:02] mdke: Ubuntu Help might be ok. We'll eventually want to have a different set of help on the web, too, so... using the word desktop might be confusing in that context. ?? it's up for discussion, anyway. [23:03] calling it desktop help might be good, though... we could have separate 'ubuntu server help' [23:03] nhandler: howdy [23:03] it works for me [23:04] Yes, but you might want to run certain "server" apps on your "desktop" [23:04] see if it works for upstream [23:04] Where would you put those, if you don't want to duplicate data? [23:04] in the server help [23:04] Or would you refer to the server help? [23:04] Hi j1mc [23:06] ok, I'm signing off, catch you all soon [23:06] g'nite mdke [23:07] Later mdke