[01:53] <j1mc_away> CarlFK: yeah, just saying 'four' would make sense to me, too. (if that's what you're suggesting...)
[22:00] <mdke> j1mc: 20:00 UTC on Sunday?
[22:00] <j1mc> mdke: how did you guess?
[22:01] <j1mc> i was just getting ready to send out an email and put stuff up on the wiki
[22:01] <mdke> ah, cool
[22:01]  * mdke clicks "Discard"
[22:01] <j1mc> yeah, that time seemed to work best for most of the 'usual suspects'
[22:02] <mdke> 7/8 on the poll; and it looks like the 1/8 is a duplicate
[22:02] <j1mc> ah, nice
[22:03] <j1mc> i emailed jeremy bicha to see if that time worked for him, but figured that it would be better to get the time on ppl's calendars rather than wait much longer.
[22:03] <j1mc> i hope he can make it
[22:03] <mdke> yeah
[22:03] <mdke> he has quite odd sleeping patterns iirc
[22:03] <mdke> ;)
[22:03] <j1mc> :)
[22:04] <mdke> to change the subject slightly
[22:04] <mdke> are there any packagers interested in documentation that you know of?
[22:04] <mdke> I used to rely on LaserJock for packaging help but he isn't active anymore
[22:05] <j1mc> yeah... i am interested in learning it. i know of some people in my loco team who are good with packaging, but they only have a passing interest in docs.
[22:05] <j1mc> even nixternal (rich johnson) isn't around much these days.
[22:06] <mdke> I haven't had any response to my call for help, and it is blocking a first upload to oneiric of ubuntu-docs
[22:06] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033227.html
[22:06] <mdke> if you have any ideas, let me know!
[22:07] <j1mc> i could bug micah gersten (micahg) about it. he does a lot of mozilla packaging.
[22:07] <j1mc> he's from chicago, too.
[22:08] <mdke> if he is willing, that would be awesome. Actually he was asking me last release about the homepage for another browser
[22:09] <j1mc> ah, ok. i just send him a note on irc, so we'll see what he says. if he can't help, i asked if he could point me to someone who could help
[22:10] <mdke> thanks dude
[22:11] <mdke> I had a look through your draft strategy document, it looks pretty solid
[22:11] <mdke> thanks for working on that
[22:11] <j1mc> ah, cool. thanks.
[22:11] <j1mc> more still to do on it.
[22:12] <mdke> i guess we can chat through it at the meeting
[22:12] <j1mc> even if nobody pushed to it, i wanted it at least to be out in the open. yep, i'm sure we can talk more about it at the meeting.
[22:12] <mdke> take it section by section
[22:13] <mdke> but I didn't really have any immediate comments as I was skimming it
[22:14] <j1mc> you mean you have better things to do???  ;)
[22:15] <mdke> no, honestly I thought it was good and couldn't really improve on it
[22:16] <j1mc> coolness
[22:22] <mdke> man we have a lot of wiki pages
[22:22] <mdke> we need to try and cut the volume of material down I think
[22:22] <mdke> (in the team pages)
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> mdke; Really? I've only seen a few
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> Cut volume down in team pages? What do you mean by that?
[22:23] <j1mc> mdke: yeah... there's a lot of cruft
[22:23] <mdke> MrChrisDruif: I mean that we have too many wiki pages for our team
[22:23] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam ... look at the bottom of the page
[22:24] <j1mc> look at all of the subpages
[22:24] <mdke> we have like 70 pages
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> Wow..
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> Btw ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam?action=LocalSiteMap
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> And I'm not sure it makes a good overview <_<"
[22:25] <j1mc> thanks, MrChrisDruif ... that's helpful
[22:25] <mdke> that doesn't seem to show them all though, there are way more
[22:25] <MrChrisDruif> Well...not really actually...second time I've noticed the localsitemap function isn't functioning properly
[22:25] <mdke> see the right hand column on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/X
[22:40]  * mdke prunes
[22:44] <j1mc> :)
[22:46] <mdke> j1mc: how did the word "guide" get put into the title of the new gnome-help, do you know? It seems a bit out of place
[22:47]  * j1mc looks quizzically (sp?) ... i'm not sure what you mean.
[22:48] <mdke> it's called "Gnome Desktop Guide" right
[22:48] <mdke> or "Ubuntu Desktop Guide" in ours
[22:48] <mdke> but it isn't a guide at all, "guide" seems to imply one long linear document
[22:48] <mdke> I just wondered if it was discussed
[22:49] <j1mc> good point
[22:49] <j1mc> i think it was just how we referred to it
[22:49] <mdke> I think it was called that before as well, maybe it got carried over
[22:50] <mdke> how about we rename ours to "Ubuntu Help" in the next release?
[22:52] <j1mc> something like that would be ok, yeah. I still like how 'guide' sounds, but you're right in that it's not linear.
[22:53] <j1mc> to me, Ubuntu Help is too brief
[22:54] <j1mc> 'ubuntu help compendium' :)
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> Compendium? "This non-native user goes to find what it means :P"
[23:00] <mdke> Ubuntu Desktop Help
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...seems pretty to be spot on actually
[23:01] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: i was joking about compendium.  :) it is accurate, but too serious, me thinks.  :)
[23:01]  * MrChrisDruif learns more works daily
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> words*
[23:01] <j1mc> :)
[23:02] <MrChrisDruif> Well, we might want to start to show a little more "professionalism" towards new users...I don't know..
[23:02] <j1mc> mdke: Ubuntu Help might be ok. We'll eventually want to have a different set of help on the web, too, so... using the word desktop might be confusing in that context. ?? it's up for discussion, anyway.
[23:03] <j1mc> calling it desktop help might be good, though... we could have separate 'ubuntu server help'
[23:03] <j1mc> nhandler: howdy
[23:03] <mdke> it works for me
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but you might want to run certain "server" apps on your "desktop"
[23:04] <mdke> see if it works for upstream
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Where would you put those, if you don't want to duplicate data?
[23:04] <mdke> in the server help
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Or would you refer to the server help?
[23:04] <nhandler> Hi j1mc
[23:06] <mdke> ok, I'm signing off, catch you all soon
[23:06] <j1mc> g'nite mdke
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> Later mdke