[00:04] rww: you're boring. 11:04 [00:05] Pici: you forgot to miscapitalize my nick [00:11] I've just realised how useless most of the wiki pages are now with the change to unity [00:13] most of them were useless already, last updated for Hardy :( [00:13] true [00:13] this community thing isn't working is it.....;) [02:28] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (zxcvpo appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) [03:12] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget give me a test [03:12] LjL: one of your gems :P [03:13] I like that one. [03:13] heh [03:13] !test [03:13] Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use #test ) [03:13] !give me a test [03:13] Oh no, I won't, I'm not like some of those nasty scripts' users! [03:14] nope that stays [03:14] I like it also [03:14] fine :P [03:14] Logan_: We can't get rid of all the personality, people might think ubottu is a bot [03:15] !gender [03:15] yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :) [03:16] that is a smoke screen [03:16] in reality, ubottu is jussi. [03:17] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget mjg59 [03:17] !mjg59 [03:17] says that !ultamatix is "nowhere near the most condescending or belittling thing I've written about someone else's software." [03:17] !-mjg59 [03:17] mjg59 has no aliases - added by elkbuntu on 2008-11-05 09:29:17 [03:17] ? [03:17] !+mjg59 [03:17] says that !ultamatix is "nowhere near the most condescending or belittling thing I've written about someone else's software." [03:17] elky: y u [03:18] Jordan_U: mjg59 is a hero for our times. I would consider it immoral to remove that myself. [03:19] apparently I'm too deletionist for you guys :P [03:19] !u | rww [03:19] rww: U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information. [03:19] ;) [03:20] Time to test a thing! [03:20] !mjg59 =~ s/// [03:20] I'll remember that rww [03:20] oh wow, that worked. [03:20] !mjg59 [03:20] mjg59 is says that !ultamatix is "nowhere near the most condescending or belittling thing I've written about someone else's software." [03:20] haha [03:20] oh, derp [03:20] owned [03:20] !mjg59 =~ s/ / mjg59 / [03:20] Nothing changed there [03:20] just forget it? [03:20] !+mjg59 [03:20] says that !ultamatix is "nowhere near the most condescending or belittling thing I've written about someone else's software." [03:21] !mjg59 =~ s/^ / mjg59 / [03:21] I'll remember that rww [03:21] !mjg59 [03:21] mjg59 says that !ultamatix is "nowhere near the most condescending or belittling thing I've written about someone else's software." [03:21] IdleOne: no I'm doing science be quiet [03:21] and let me spam the channel [03:21] oooh science [03:21] * IdleOne gets safety glasses [03:21] IdleOne: dont forget to stand back! [03:22] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !no, otherdistro is distributions [03:22] Flannel: but I can't see if I am to far back [03:22] get rid of that comma after !no, though :P [03:22] !otherdistro [03:22] we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can [03:22] !distributions [03:22] Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems) [03:23] I had a thought earlier that I kinda wanna change !derivatives or whatever it is from listing things we don't support to listing things we do support. [03:23] the list of things we do support is shorter ;) [03:23] and changes less often [03:25] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget dad [03:25] !dad [03:25] DaD was an alternative to !mom and has been shutdown in February 2009, see http://dad.dunnewind.net/end.php [03:25] forgot [03:26] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget crackports [03:26] that has to be from the days when anybody could add factoids [03:26] nope [03:26] !crackports [03:26] You don't randoming just say 'do it' on the SRU team at the consistent volume that the crackports team does. Also, it's all jdong's fault [03:27] well it might be, but I'm pretty sure Hobbsee has factoid privs [03:27] ooh, I found another LjL gem :P [03:27] !point [03:27] Do you have any? [03:29] feisty [03:33] !sco [03:33] Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!!!!! [03:34] !forget sco [03:34] I'll forget that, rww [03:34] !forget point [03:34] ... [03:35] holy lag [03:36] Oh, that wasn't me? [03:42] Logan_: she doesn't repeat herself on things like !forget. questionable flood prevention [03:42] well, I was just talking about my connection lag in general, but... :P [03:43] ah, nvm :) [03:43] Logan_: Bet you can't beat 3 minutes. [03:44] I hope I can't :P === maco2 is now known as maco [05:45] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1513 users, 1 overflows, 1514 limit)) [05:45] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1511 users, 1 overflows, 1512 limit)) [05:45] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1511 users, 1 overflows, 1512 limit)) [05:45] ignore that yo ^ [05:55] huh, just realised I can list the "normal" users in the channel instead of listing all [06:01] Has ubuser been allowed back in #ubuntu intentionally or is this ban evasion again? [06:04] it's kind of a technicality, so I'm not planning on bothering otherwise [06:04] oops [06:05] I fail at multiple line pasting [06:05] * rww schools IdleOne on pasting from unlogged channels to logged ones [06:06] that line out of context means nothing [06:06] Jordan_U: they're ban-evading. you're the original banner, you pick what to do ;P [06:07] friendly notifying what the case is in PM and hoping he gets the hint would be my first try [06:14] hi iFrenzy [06:14] well hi [06:15] for ops playing along at home, BT #40433 [06:15] now to the issue at hand [06:15] are you waiting for me to restate my question? [06:16] context: [06:16] rww: lol so let me get this straight, you banned me from a chat room because I ask a question and you give me an attitude about it? I'm not starting anything else, I just want clarification. [06:16] the tl;dr from my point of view is that you asked a support question, I told you "#ubuntu-offtopic is not a backup channel for when #ubuntu doesn't answer you :(", and you replied with a bad attitude repeatedly until I got tired of it and muted you for being disruptive. [06:17] notably, I told you to come back "tomorrow". I do not feel that less than 5 hours later is a reasonable interpretation of that. [06:17] rww: I had a bad attitude because you could have simply in a nice way said that offtopic didn't handle support questions but instead gave me a smart alec response [06:17] lol and also tomorrow is tomorrow whether its 2 minutes or 23hours and 59 minutes later [06:18] iFrenzy: The channel /topic that you're expected to read when joining the channel says that very plainly. [06:18] iFrenzy: I do not intend to have an argument with you about what is a reasonable interpretation of "tomorrow". [06:18] iFrenzy: 1) there's no excuse for bad behaviour 2) we usually mean "come next day same time" when we say tomorrow [06:18] rww: and as I told you earlier I read you what my chat client displayed as the topic [06:19] Tm_T: ok so its ok for him to give me a smart ass response when i ask a question, but my rebuttal is unacceptable? [06:19] If it makes things clearer to you, the relevant Bantracker comment says "24 hours", not that I expect you to know that. [06:19] you're rebuttal was unacceptable because iirc you called rww an asshole [06:20] that IS not acceptable at any time [06:20] IdleOne: snobs, actually. I did give you the BTid, go read ;P [06:20] iFrenzy: as far as I can see rww wasn't anything "unsmart" as you suggest [06:20] oh, I lied, asshole too. [06:20] * IdleOne goes back to idle [06:20] by the way, who is rww? [06:20] why do people keep asking that [06:20] he is an op in several ubuntu related channels [06:22] not sure if you have read these but... [06:22] !guidelines > iFrenzy [06:22] iFrenzy, please see my private message [06:23] !code of coduct > iFrenzy [06:23] IdleOne: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [06:23] err [06:23] !code of conduct > iFrenzy [06:23] !coc > iFrenzy [06:23] iFrenzy, please see my private message [06:23] all I'm saying is if he would have responded to my initial question with a respectful, to the point response and instead of the smartass one he gave there would have never been a problem [06:24] he did, you took it the wrong way and chose to get all snitty and upitty. [06:24] and rude [06:24] I'm the one that was being upitty? [06:24] and you are continuing to act like that in here [06:25] iFrenzy: 1) I maintain that my answer was not disrespectful. 2) Even if it had been, it does not excuse your petulant and aggressive behavior. [06:25] so I suggest you take a break, come back tomorrow (24 hours) and you can discuss it then. [06:25] geez man these rules in chat rooms are worse than high school [06:26] As someone who works at a high school... yes, they are, and thank goodness. [06:26] forums are the same way, give a guy forum admin and he thinks he's the president, [06:26] teacher? [06:26] that is because in Ubuntu land we expect people to act accordingly, in high school you can break all the rules you want. Not our problem. [06:27] I'm just saying how in highschool they suspend you for saying a curse word and you have to raise your hand to ask a question [06:27] i wish [06:28] anyway. As IdleOne said, please wander back into #ubuntu-offtopic in about 24 hours. [06:28] ok, lol am i banned from here or something? [06:29] no but we ask that you not idle in here unless there is an immediate issue that needs to be addressed [06:29] I see you didn't take my advice :( [06:30] iFrenzy: This conversation really isn't going anywhere, and the part of the /topic you're not seeing is "Please exit the channel once your issue is dealt with. | We reserve the right to remove idlers" [06:30] oh well, considering I can't go back in offtopic, is there another general talking room related to ubuntu, or am I going to have to go see the fedora folks? [06:31] oh wait, so I have to physically leave the room is that what you're saying or just quit talking? [06:31] you need to part the channel [06:31] please [06:31] WOW [06:31] We really need to affiliate with ##club-ubuntu and direct all the rule-libertarians over there. [06:32] yeah, umm, NO. [06:32] ;P [06:32] I was about to suggest to check our wiki page that has channel list with caution: basic rules about the behaviour applies to them all [06:33] I was trying to figure out how to honestly answer that question. [08:41] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [08:41] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [08:41] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [11:58] vibhav called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [13:31] fyi, there appears to be some sort of skype outage happening: https://twitter.com/#!/Skype [13:33] shock horror [13:34] skynet outage? [13:34] all the idiots are out "this is what you get for letting M$ buy it !!!" [13:34] which is easily worked around.... [13:34] lol omg I bet bill gates is making calls [13:34] etc [13:35] Has anyone else had issues with the linux client? [13:35] I don't use skype. I just wanted to make sure that y'all knew just in case we get support questions about it [13:36] yeah, I had an issues, resolved it by removing the settings folder. [13:36] 13:36 < sudokill> i think cos MS now owns it [13:36] ikonia: although to your benefit, someone just said exactly what you said in #ubuntu [13:36] I know, ha ha [13:39] ikonia: you know our users too well. :| [13:40] ...he is one of our users, he has only to know himself [13:40] Tm_T: grep the logs, find me making such a stupid comment and I'll donate to an opensource project [13:41] ikonia: I never claimed you would do that, you siply know how and why that happens [13:41] [15:34:54] lol omg I bet bill gates is making calls [13:41] I win. :D [13:42] no mention of context there :D [13:42] jussi: void [13:42] then you are not playing fair [13:42] hehe [13:42] you should be shamed [13:42] ikonia: just playing :) [13:43] kinda had to though... [13:43] not play fair I think [13:45] 13:44 -!- Zephr0 [Zephro@fuck.me.who.just.farted.net] has quit [Quit: changing [13:45] what a nice host [13:45] messaged him [13:49] any host that has "fart" in it is nice [13:49] the fuck.me bit isn't great though [13:58] agreed :) [13:58] fart always wins, that's the rule [13:58] :P [14:10] * jpds walks in, reads ikonia saying "fuck me" and wonders what happened. [14:11] read the scroll back for uninteresting info [14:22] Just knowing that was more fun. [14:38] hello, are bots allowed in #ubuntu channels? [14:39] !bots [14:39] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [14:39] that last link I guess [14:39] Technoviking: some bots are allowed [14:40] ...in some channels [14:41] I'm running an RSS feed bot (supybot) in #ubuntu-power-users, pull feeds from The Planet and other Ubuntu blogs [14:41] Generally they need to be approved by the channel's founders/ops [14:41] Technoviking: if staticsafe is fine with it, i'm sure there is no problem [14:43] I will ask him and jussi [14:43] thanks [14:51] http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlight.do?airline=UA&departureDate=2011-05-26&flightNumber=493&x=0&y=0 <-- Whee. [14:52] you're on the plane? [14:52] LjL: Yes. [14:52] internet must be expensive [14:53] $13 flat rate. [14:53] aka "Less than a drink in Los Angeles" [14:53] Power too? [15:00] Nope. [15:00] But it's a Macbook Air. Battery will last me another 6 hours yet. Flight's done in ~4. [15:02] Nice [15:09] slick [15:11] In ubottu, DJones said: !skypefail is Skype are currently having issues with connection problems and are working on a fix, a temporary fix can be found at https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10874/I-m-having-problems-with-Skype-today [15:12] !skypefail is Skype are currently having issues with connection problems and are working on a fix. A temporary fix can be found at https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10874/I-m-having-problems-with-Skype-today [15:12] I'll remember that, Pici [15:12] niec [15:12] nice [15:28] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (psijackoff appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) [15:34] rww: thanks [15:39] sigh [15:40] one of those mornings, I see [16:13] Pici: i have a couple of #ubuntu-offtopic bans for ginbuntu that were me changing banforwards by you into bans. still think he needs to be banned there? [16:14] rww: I think it'll be okay to remove them at this time [16:20] ... [16:22] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !forget oracle [16:22] it's a dead link [16:22] !oracle [16:22] If you -must- install oracle .... here's a good place to start: http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/install/xe-on-kubuntu.html [16:23] !oracle =~ s#:$#: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html/ [16:23] Missing end delimiter [16:23] !oracle =~ s#:$#: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html# [16:23] Nothing changed there [16:24] !no oracle is If you -must- install oracle .... here's a good place to start: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html [16:24] I'll remember that Pici [16:24] heh, that works [16:24] Yep [16:25] Although oracle's search is horrible [16:25] Pici: I think you meant s#:.*$#...#, btw ;) [16:25] really? we need to "-must-" that? [16:25] !skype [16:25] To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto - Please use open protocols instead if you can, see !Ekiga [16:25] In ubottu, Logan_ said: !oracle =~ s/-must- install oracle ..../need to install Oracle,/ [16:25] why doesn't that say "If you _must_ install skype"? [16:26] why don't we !forget oracle, since I've never ever seen that be used [16:26] heh [16:26] rww: that was my original idea :P [16:26] also, "Oracle" is not a product, it's a company kthx. [16:26] * popey wishes he could !forget oracle IRL [16:26] The packages in that repository are from 2005 [16:26] genii-around: Oracle's? [16:26] Oracle is like The Game [16:26] I see what you did there. [16:26] !-oracle [16:26] oracle has no aliases - added by Spec on 2006-07-19 22:24:00 - last edited by Pici on 2011-05-26 15:24:28 [16:26] !forget oracle [16:26] I'll forget that, rww [16:27] rww: Yes, the dates on files like in here: http://oss.oracle.com/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/ [16:27] genii-around: all the more reason, then :) [16:27] Yup! [16:27] popey: I for one think we should push for ubottu to get FSF approval by removing all non-free factoids and repository !infos ;D [16:27] ooo, a vrms for the bots [16:28] all ops should have their DNA mapped and open sourced [16:29] something about FloodBots [16:29] something about security [16:30] some lies* about security [16:30] oft-repeated comments about security through obscurity that don't really apply [16:50] When we tell ubottu to forget something, does it actually have some result on the size of it's collection of factoids? Because http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi still shows them, just as [16:50] No, they still stick around. [17:01] In #ubuntu-offtopic, mc44 said: !whywouldyouwanttobeanop is areyoumad [17:02] I have lunch shortly, was considering going through factoids and removing some old/obsolete ones, should I post the potential ones here or someplace before removal, for review? [17:06] reviewing all of the factoids is one of those often talked about but rarely done things [17:07] I did it a while ago and we did a reasonable clear out [17:07] the problem is things that people thing should go, others thing are valid === CarlFK1 is now known as CarlFK [17:26] is there a way to get around the grub menu? [17:26] my computer when i boot, grub says error 15 [17:27] i do not have a way on this computer and it is not showin that i have two harddrives? is there a way to skip grub? [17:28] is there a way around teh grub, please help [17:28] thanks for telling me update btw faggot [17:29] How civil. [17:31] you in Africa Corey ? [17:32] or did a couple of weeks go by and I missed them [17:32] He was en-route to JFK Int'l earlier [17:32] IdleOne: No, at the moment I'm... over Wisconsin. [17:32] ah, k [17:32] http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=226751490&airline=UA&flightNumber=493 Or not quite. [17:32] The traffic around JFK is annoying. I've never been to the airport though. [17:34] Yeah, I'm on United now. [17:34] The connection is Royal Air Marac (NOW WITH SEATBELTS!). [17:39] please help me.. [17:40] i tried installing grub2, now my pc wont boot [17:40] you did wrong, this is not a support channel btw. [17:40] it says error 15? how can i get around it [17:41] please man [17:41] Like I said this is not a support channel, if you wish to discuss why you were banned from #ubuntu, this would be the place. [17:42] lick my balls. [17:42] i done everything they said [17:42] now im screwed [17:42] alrighty then, I think you need a timeout but I am going to give you some help anyway. try ##linux [17:43] so much for teh updates. [17:43] gj. [17:43] Its a ban forward to here [17:44] well now he is stuck in a loop [17:51] The current ones I'm thinking to remove: screenshots-#edubuntu tribe6 intrepidkde3 hungover plf latestkde [17:53] !forget screenshots-#edubuntu [17:53] I'll forget that, IdleOne [17:53] !forget tribe6 [17:53] I'll forget that, IdleOne [17:54] genii-around: if they aren't relevant anymore, go ahead and forget them [17:54] we can always unforget if needed [17:54] ubuser is now showing in many channels asking about grub [17:56] IdleOne: okeley dokeley [18:07] ubuser now in -uk [18:07] Was that what that ops call was? [18:07] yes [18:51] In #ubuntu, carpi said: ubottu: but is it possible to install using aptitude? because it would nice to not have to contaminate my installation of natty? [19:38] Hiya Zephr0. [19:38] Zephr0: Do you have any idea why you got forwarded here? [19:52] pozic: I've asked another op to look into it, just hang on a few minutes. [19:53] charlie-tca: Could have asked here. :-) [19:53] Er, that was to CarlFK [19:54] okay [19:57] pozic: how can I help you? [19:58] IdleOne: you can press the 'unban' button. [19:58] pozic: from what I read in the logs you appeared to have somewhat of a bad attitude the day you got banned. [19:58] IdleOne: a bad attidude requires two persons. [19:58] I am a little concerned that attitude might still be present and I need to make sure you understandf our guidelines [19:59] IdleOne: one who supposedly has this attitude and another one to interpret it as such. [19:59] pozic: I am here to help with getting you back in #ubuntu [19:59] what other people said/did is not my concern right now [19:59] IdleOne: I am not an ass hole, if others are not, generally. [19:59] pozic: ok first rule is no swearing, at all. [20:00] Since when did that rule got introduced? [20:00] That was not a rule years ago. [20:00] since always in the ubuntu irc channels [20:00] Or at least, it was not enforced. [20:00] if it wasn't enforced back in the day it was an oversight [20:00] it is now. [20:01] What is a good other word for that word in this context to mean exactly that? [20:01] jerk [20:01] not the exact same meaning granted but way more acceptable [20:01] anyway [20:01] Going to have ubottu give you a couple of links [20:02] !guidelines > pozic [20:02] pozic, please see my private message [20:02] Anyway, I reported bugs in Ubuntu, so I helped more than most people. [20:02] !code of conduct > pozic [20:02] pozic: the amount of help one gives does not allow them to break the rules [20:02] you can say I love you 1 million times but the time people remember is "I hate you" [20:03] IdleOne: it appears that admins can break the rules all the time. [20:03] pozic: I assure you that's not the case. [20:03] If I start swearing, I'll lose ops and be banned. [20:03] IdleOne: that is probably sound advice. [20:03] if by admin you means ops no they can not. you can come here and report any abuse to the ops team. [20:03] IdleOne: ok, so if someone acts like an incompentent jerk, I can report them and they lose their ops? [20:04] not necessarily [20:04] If so, I am more than willing to obey by the rules. [20:04] !appeals [20:04] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. [20:04] but if the Ubuntu IRC council feels it warranted it is possible [20:04] In general, ops should be competent people, imho. [20:04] see the above link [20:04] They should have e.g. higher education. [20:04] pozic: ops are volunteers, same as you when you report bugs. We all can make mistakes [20:05] Otherwise it just leads to conflicts. [20:05] They should have natural leadership by being vastly better than the occasional users. [20:05]