[00:04] <Pici> rww: you're boring. 11:04
[00:05] <rww> Pici: you forgot to miscapitalize my nick
[00:11] <ikonia> I've just realised how useless most of the wiki pages are now with the change to unity
[00:13] <LjL> most of them were useless already, last updated for Hardy :(
[00:13] <ikonia> true
[00:13] <ikonia> this community thing isn't working is it.....;)
[03:12] <Logan_> LjL: one of your gems :P
[03:13] <rww> I like that one.
[03:13] <Logan_> heh
[03:13] <IdleOne> !test
[03:13] <IdleOne> !give me a test
[03:14] <IdleOne> nope that stays
[03:14] <IdleOne> I like it also
[03:14] <Logan_> fine :P
[03:14] <IdleOne> Logan_: We can't get rid of all the personality, people might think ubottu is a bot
[03:15] <Logan_> !gender
[03:16] <IdleOne> that is a smoke screen
[03:16] <rww> in reality, ubottu is jussi.
[03:17] <rww> !mjg59
[03:17] <rww> !-mjg59
[03:17] <Jordan_U> ?
[03:17] <rww> !+mjg59
 says that !ultamatix is "nowhere near the most condescending or belittling thing I've written about someone else's software."
[03:17] <rww> elky: y u <reply>
[03:18] <rww> Jordan_U: mjg59 is a hero for our times. I would consider it immoral to remove that myself.
[03:19] <Logan_> apparently I'm too deletionist for you guys :P
[03:19] <Jordan_U> !u | rww
[03:19] <Jordan_U> ;)
[03:20] <rww> Time to test a thing!
[03:20] <rww> !mjg59 =~ s/<reply>//
[03:20] <rww> oh wow, that worked.
[03:20] <rww> !mjg59
[03:20] <Logan_> haha
[03:20] <rww> oh, derp
[03:20] <IdleOne> owned
[03:20] <rww> !mjg59 =~ s/  /<reply> mjg59 /
[03:20] <IdleOne> just forget it?
[03:20] <rww> !+mjg59
[03:21] <rww> !mjg59 =~ s/^ /<reply> mjg59 /
[03:21] <rww> !mjg59
[03:21] <rww> IdleOne: no I'm doing science be quiet
[03:21] <rww> and let me spam the channel
[03:21] <IdleOne> oooh science
[03:21]  * IdleOne gets safety glasses
[03:21] <Flannel> IdleOne: dont forget to stand back!
[03:22] <IdleOne> Flannel: but I can't see if I am to far back
[03:22] <Logan_> get rid of that comma after !no, though :P
[03:22] <rww> !otherdistro
[03:22] <rww> !distributions
[03:23] <rww> I had a thought earlier that I kinda wanna change !derivatives or whatever it is from listing things we don't support to listing things we do support.
[03:23] <IdleOne> the list of things we do support is shorter ;)
[03:23] <rww> and changes less often
[03:25] <rww> !dad
[03:25] <rww> forgot
[03:26] <IdleOne> that has to be from the days when anybody could add factoids
[03:26] <rww> nope
[03:26] <IdleOne> !crackports
 You don't randoming just say 'do it' on the SRU team at the consistent volume that the crackports team does.  Also, it's all jdong's fault
[03:27] <rww> well it might be, but I'm pretty sure Hobbsee has factoid privs
[03:27] <Logan_> ooh, I found another LjL gem :P
[03:27] <Logan_> !point
[03:29] <Flannel> feisty
[03:33] <Logan_> !sco
[03:34] <rww> !forget sco
[03:34] <rww> !forget point
[03:34] <Logan_> ...
[03:35] <Logan_> holy lag
[03:36] <Flannel> Oh, that wasn't me?
[03:42] <rww> Logan_: she doesn't repeat herself on things like !forget. questionable flood prevention
[03:42] <Logan_> well, I was just talking about my connection lag in general, but... :P
[03:43] <rww> ah, nvm :)
[03:43] <Jordan_U> Logan_: Bet you can't beat 3 minutes.
[03:44] <Logan_> I hope I can't :P
[05:45] <rww> ignore that yo ^
[05:55] <Tm_T> huh, just realised I can list the "normal" users in the channel instead of listing all
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Has ubuser been allowed back in #ubuntu intentionally or is this ban evasion again?
 it's kind of a technicality, so I'm not planning on bothering otherwise
[06:04] <IdleOne> oops
[06:05] <IdleOne> I fail at multiple line pasting
[06:05]  * rww schools IdleOne on pasting from unlogged channels to logged ones
[06:06] <IdleOne> that line out of context means nothing
[06:06] <rww> Jordan_U: they're ban-evading. you're the original banner, you pick what to do ;P
[06:07] <Tm_T> friendly notifying what the case is in PM and hoping he gets the hint would be my first try
[06:14] <rww> hi iFrenzy
[06:14] <iFrenzy> well hi
[06:15] <rww> for ops playing along at home, BT #40433
[06:15] <iFrenzy> now to the issue at hand
[06:15] <iFrenzy> are you waiting for me to restate my question?
[06:16] <IdleOne> context:
 rww: lol so let me get this straight, you banned me from a chat room because I ask a question and you give me an attitude about it? I'm not starting anything else, I just want clarification.
[06:16] <rww> the tl;dr from my point of view is that you asked a support question, I told you "#ubuntu-offtopic is not a backup channel for when #ubuntu doesn't answer you :(", and you replied with a bad attitude repeatedly until I got tired of it and muted you for being disruptive.
[06:17] <rww> notably, I told you to come back "tomorrow". I do not feel that less than 5 hours later is a reasonable interpretation of that.
[06:17] <iFrenzy> rww: I had a bad attitude because you could have simply in a nice way said that offtopic didn't handle support questions but instead gave me a smart alec response
[06:17] <iFrenzy> lol and also tomorrow is tomorrow whether its 2 minutes or 23hours and 59 minutes later
[06:18] <rww> iFrenzy: The channel /topic that you're expected to read when joining the channel says that very plainly.
[06:18] <rww> iFrenzy: I do not intend to have an argument with you about what is a reasonable interpretation of "tomorrow".
[06:18] <Tm_T> iFrenzy: 1) there's no excuse for bad behaviour  2) we usually mean "come next day same time" when we say tomorrow
[06:18] <iFrenzy> rww: and as I told you earlier I read you what my chat client displayed as the topic
[06:19] <iFrenzy> Tm_T: ok so its ok for him to give me a smart ass response when i ask a question, but my rebuttal is unacceptable?
[06:19] <rww> If it makes things clearer to you, the relevant Bantracker comment says "24 hours", not that I expect you to know that.
[06:19] <IdleOne> you're rebuttal was unacceptable because iirc you called rww an asshole
[06:20] <IdleOne> that IS not acceptable at any time
[06:20] <rww> IdleOne: snobs, actually. I did give you the BTid, go read ;P
[06:20] <Tm_T> iFrenzy: as far as I can see rww wasn't anything "unsmart" as you suggest
[06:20] <rww> oh, I lied, asshole too.
[06:20]  * IdleOne goes back to idle
[06:20] <iFrenzy> by the way, who is rww?
[06:20] <rww> why do people keep asking that
[06:20] <IdleOne> he is an op in several ubuntu related channels
[06:22] <IdleOne> not sure if you have read these but...
[06:22] <IdleOne> !guidelines > iFrenzy
[06:23] <IdleOne> !code of coduct > iFrenzy
[06:23] <IdleOne> err
[06:23] <IdleOne> !code of conduct > iFrenzy
[06:23] <Jordan_U> !coc > iFrenzy
[06:23] <iFrenzy> all I'm saying is if he would have responded to my initial question with a respectful, to the point response and instead of the smartass one he gave there would have never been a problem
[06:24] <IdleOne> he did, you took it the wrong way and chose to get all snitty and upitty.
[06:24] <IdleOne> and rude
[06:24] <iFrenzy> I'm the one that was being upitty?
[06:24] <IdleOne> and you are continuing to act like that in here
[06:25] <rww> iFrenzy: 1) I maintain that my answer was not disrespectful. 2) Even if it had been, it does not excuse your petulant and aggressive behavior.
[06:25] <IdleOne> so I suggest you take a break, come back tomorrow (24 hours) and you can discuss it then.
[06:25] <iFrenzy> geez man these rules in chat rooms are worse than high school
[06:26] <rww> As someone who works at a high school... yes, they are, and thank goodness.
[06:26] <iFrenzy> forums are the same way, give a guy forum admin and he thinks he's the president,
[06:26] <iFrenzy> teacher?
[06:26] <IdleOne> that is because in Ubuntu land we expect people to act accordingly, in high school you can break all the rules you want. Not our problem.
[06:27] <iFrenzy> I'm just saying how in highschool they suspend you for saying a curse word and you have to raise your hand to ask a question
[06:27] <rww> i wish
[06:28] <rww> anyway. As IdleOne said, please wander back into #ubuntu-offtopic in about 24 hours.
[06:28] <iFrenzy> ok, lol am i banned from here or something?
[06:29] <IdleOne> no but we ask that you not idle in here unless there is an immediate issue that needs to be addressed
[06:29] <rww> I see you didn't take my advice :(
[06:30] <rww> iFrenzy: This conversation really isn't going anywhere, and the part of the /topic you're not seeing is "Please exit the channel once your issue is dealt with. | We reserve the right to remove idlers"
[06:30] <iFrenzy> oh well, considering I can't go back in offtopic, is there another general talking room related to ubuntu, or am I going to have to go see the fedora folks?
[06:31] <iFrenzy> oh wait, so I have to physically leave the room is that what you're saying or just quit talking?
[06:31] <IdleOne> you need to part the channel
[06:31] <IdleOne> please
[06:31] <iFrenzy> WOW
[06:31] <rww> We really need to affiliate with ##club-ubuntu and direct all the rule-libertarians over there.
[06:32] <IdleOne> yeah, umm, NO.
[06:32] <rww> ;P
[06:32] <Tm_T> I was about to suggest to check our wiki page that has channel list with caution: basic rules about the behaviour applies to them all
[06:33] <rww> I was trying to figure out how to honestly answer that question.
[13:31] <Pici> fyi, there appears to be some sort of skype outage happening: https://twitter.com/#!/Skype
[13:33] <ikonia> shock horror
[13:34] <Tm_T> skynet outage?
[13:34] <ikonia> all the idiots are out "this is what you get for letting M$ buy it !!!"
[13:34] <jussi> which is easily worked around....
[13:34] <ikonia> lol omg I bet bill gates is making calls
[13:34] <ikonia> etc
[13:35] <jussi> Has anyone else had issues with the linux client?
[13:35] <Pici> I don't use skype. I just wanted to make sure that y'all knew just in case we get support questions about it
[13:36] <jussi> yeah, I had an issues, resolved it by removing the settings folder.
[13:36] <ikonia> 13:36 < sudokill> i think cos MS now owns it
[13:36] <Pici> ikonia: although to your benefit, someone just said exactly what you said in #ubuntu
[13:36] <ikonia> I know, ha ha
[13:39] <Pici> ikonia: you know our users too well. :|
[13:40] <Tm_T> ...he is one of our users, he has only to know himself
[13:40] <ikonia> Tm_T: grep the logs, find me making such a stupid comment and I'll donate to an opensource project
[13:41] <Tm_T> ikonia: I never claimed you would do that, you siply know how and why that happens
[13:41] <jussi> [15:34:54] <ikonia> lol omg I bet bill gates is making calls
[13:41] <jussi> I win. :D
[13:42] <jussi> no mention of context there :D
[13:42] <ikonia> jussi: void
[13:42] <ikonia> then you are not playing fair
[13:42] <jussi> hehe
[13:42] <ikonia> you should be shamed
[13:42] <jussi> ikonia: just playing :)
[13:43] <jussi> kinda had to though...
[13:43] <ikonia> not play fair I think
[13:45] <ikonia> 13:44 -!- Zephr0 [Zephro@fuck.me.who.just.farted.net] has quit [Quit: changing
[13:45] <ikonia> what a nice host
[13:45] <ikonia> messaged him
[13:49] <knome> any host that has "fart" in it is nice
[13:49] <ikonia> the fuck.me bit isn't great though
[13:58] <knome> agreed :)
[13:58] <knome> fart always wins, that's the rule
[13:58] <knome> :P
[14:10]  * jpds walks in, reads ikonia saying "fuck me" and wonders what happened.
[14:11] <ikonia> read the scroll back for uninteresting info
[14:22] <jpds> Just knowing that was more fun.
[14:38] <Technoviking> hello, are bots allowed in #ubuntu channels?
[14:39] <popey> !bots
[14:39] <popey> that last link I guess
[14:39] <Tm_T> Technoviking: some bots are allowed
[14:40] <Tm_T> ...in some channels
[14:41] <Technoviking> I'm running an RSS feed bot (supybot) in #ubuntu-power-users, pull feeds from The Planet and other Ubuntu blogs
[14:41] <Pici> Generally they need to be approved by the channel's founders/ops
[14:41] <LjL> Technoviking: if staticsafe is fine with it, i'm sure there is no problem
[14:43] <Technoviking> I will ask him and jussi
[14:43] <Technoviking> thanks
[14:51] <Corey> http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlight.do?airline=UA&departureDate=2011-05-26&flightNumber=493&x=0&y=0 <-- Whee.
[14:52] <LjL> you're on the plane?
[14:52] <Corey> LjL: Yes.
[14:52] <LjL> internet must be expensive
[14:53] <Corey> $13 flat rate.
[14:53] <Corey> aka "Less than a drink in Los Angeles"
[14:53] <Pici> Power too?
[15:00] <Corey> Nope.
[15:00] <Corey> But it's a Macbook Air.  Battery will last me another 6 hours yet.  Flight's done in ~4.
[15:02] <Pici> Nice
[15:09] <ikonia> slick
[15:12] <Pici>  !skypefail is <reply> Skype are currently having issues with connection problems and are working on a fix. A temporary fix can be found at https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10874/I-m-having-problems-with-Skype-today
[15:12] <ikonia> niec
[15:12] <ikonia> nice
[15:34] <Pici> rww: thanks
[15:39] <Pici> sigh
[15:40] <rww> one of those mornings, I see
[16:13] <rww> Pici: i have a couple of #ubuntu-offtopic bans for ginbuntu that were me changing banforwards by you into bans. still think he needs to be banned there?
[16:14] <Pici> rww: I think it'll be okay to remove them at this time
[16:20] <Pici> ...
[16:22] <Logan_> it's a dead link
[16:22] <Pici> !oracle
[16:23] <Pici> !oracle =~ s#:$#: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html/
[16:23] <Pici> !oracle =~ s#:$#: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html#
[16:24] <Pici> !no oracle is <reply> If you -must- install oracle .... here's a good place to start: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html
[16:24] <Logan_> heh, that works
[16:24] <Pici> Yep
[16:25] <Pici> Although oracle's search is horrible
[16:25] <rww> Pici: I think you meant s#:.*$#...#, btw ;)
[16:25] <popey> really? we need to "-must-" that?
[16:25] <popey> !skype
[16:25] <popey> why doesn't that say "If you _must_ install skype"?
[16:26] <rww> why don't we !forget oracle, since I've never ever seen that be used
[16:26] <popey> heh
[16:26] <Logan_> rww: that was my original idea :P
[16:26] <rww> also, "Oracle" is not a product, it's a company kthx.
[16:26]  * popey wishes he could !forget oracle IRL
[16:26] <genii-around> The packages in that repository are from 2005
[16:26] <rww> genii-around: Oracle's?
[16:26] <highvoltage> Oracle is like The Game
[16:26] <popey> I see what you did there.
[16:26] <rww> !-oracle
[16:26] <rww> !forget oracle
[16:27] <genii-around> rww: Yes, the dates on files like in here: http://oss.oracle.com/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/
[16:27] <rww> genii-around: all the more reason, then :)
[16:27] <genii-around> Yup!
[16:27] <rww> popey: I for one think we should push for ubottu to get FSF approval by removing all non-free factoids and repository !infos ;D
[16:27] <popey> ooo, a vrms for the bots
[16:28] <LjL> all ops should have their DNA mapped and open sourced
[16:29] <rww> something about FloodBots
[16:29] <LjL> something about security
[16:30] <LjL> some lies* about security
[16:30] <rww> oft-repeated comments about security through obscurity that don't really apply
[16:50] <genii-around> When we tell ubottu to forget something, does it actually have some result on the size of it's collection of factoids? Because http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi still shows them, just as <deleted>
[16:50] <Pici> No, they still stick around.
[17:02] <genii-around> I have lunch shortly, was considering going through factoids and removing some old/obsolete ones, should I post the potential ones here or someplace before removal, for review?
[17:06] <tsimpson> reviewing all of the factoids is one of those often talked about but rarely done things
[17:07] <ikonia> I did it a while ago and we did a reasonable clear out
[17:07] <ikonia> the problem is things that people thing should go, others thing are valid
[17:26] <ubuser> is there a way to get around the grub menu?
[17:26] <ubuser> my computer when i boot, grub says error 15
[17:27] <ubuser> i do not have a way on this computer and it is not showin that i have two harddrives? is there a way to skip grub?
[17:28] <ubuser> is there a way around teh grub, please help
[17:28] <ubuser> thanks for telling me update btw faggot
[17:29] <Corey> How civil.
[17:31] <IdleOne> you in Africa Corey ?
[17:32] <IdleOne> or did a couple of weeks go by and I missed them
[17:32] <Pici> He was en-route to JFK Int'l earlier
[17:32] <Corey> IdleOne: No, at the moment I'm... over Wisconsin.
[17:32] <IdleOne> ah, k
[17:32] <Corey> http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=226751490&airline=UA&flightNumber=493 Or not quite.
[17:32] <Pici> The traffic around JFK is annoying.  I've never been to the airport though.
[17:34] <Corey> Yeah, I'm on United now.
[17:34] <Corey> The connection is Royal Air Marac (NOW WITH SEATBELTS!).
[17:39] <ubuser> please help me..
[17:40] <ubuser> i tried installing grub2, now my pc wont boot
[17:40] <IdleOne> you did wrong, this is not a support channel btw.
[17:40] <ubuser> it says error 15? how can i get around it
[17:41] <ubuser> please man
[17:41] <IdleOne> Like I said this is not a support channel, if you wish to discuss why you were banned from #ubuntu, this would be the place.
[17:42] <ubuser> lick my balls.
[17:42] <ubuser> i done everything they said
[17:42] <ubuser> now im screwed
[17:42] <IdleOne> alrighty then, I think you need a timeout but I am going to give you some help anyway. try ##linux
[17:43] <ubuser> so much for teh updates.
[17:43] <ubuser> gj.
[17:43] <Pici> Its a ban forward to here
[17:44] <IdleOne> well now he is stuck in a loop
[17:51] <genii-around> The current ones I'm thinking to remove: screenshots-#edubuntu tribe6 intrepidkde3 hungover plf latestkde
[17:53] <IdleOne> !forget screenshots-#edubuntu
[17:53] <IdleOne> !forget tribe6
[17:54] <IdleOne> genii-around: if they aren't relevant anymore, go ahead and forget them
[17:54] <IdleOne> we can always unforget if needed
[17:54] <charlie-tca> ubuser is now showing in many channels asking about grub
[17:56] <genii-around> IdleOne: okeley dokeley
[18:07] <popey> ubuser now in -uk
[18:07] <Pici> Was that what that ops call was?
[18:07] <popey> yes
[19:38] <jussi> Hiya Zephr0.
[19:38] <jussi> Zephr0: Do you have any idea why you got forwarded here?
[19:52] <Pici> pozic: I've asked another op to look into it, just hang on a few minutes.
[19:53] <Corey> charlie-tca: Could have asked here. :-)
[19:53] <Corey> Er, that was to CarlFK
[19:54] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:57] <IdleOne> pozic: how can I help you?
[19:58] <pozic> IdleOne: you can press the 'unban' button.
[19:58] <IdleOne> pozic: from what I read in the logs you appeared to have somewhat of a bad attitude the day you got banned.
[19:58] <pozic> IdleOne: a bad attidude requires two persons.
[19:58] <IdleOne> I am a little concerned that attitude might still be present and I need to make sure you understandf our guidelines
[19:59] <pozic> IdleOne: one who supposedly has this attitude and another one to interpret it as such.
[19:59] <IdleOne> pozic: I am here to help with getting you back in #ubuntu
[19:59] <IdleOne> what other people said/did is not my concern right now
[19:59] <pozic> IdleOne: I am not an ass hole, if others are not, generally.
[19:59] <IdleOne> pozic: ok first rule is no swearing, at all.
[20:00] <pozic> Since when did that rule got introduced?
[20:00] <pozic> That was not a rule years ago.
[20:00] <IdleOne> since always in the ubuntu irc channels
[20:00] <pozic> Or at least, it was not enforced.
[20:00] <IdleOne> if it wasn't enforced back in the day it was an oversight
[20:00] <IdleOne> it is now.
[20:01] <pozic> What is a good other word for that word in this context to mean exactly that?
[20:01] <IdleOne> jerk
[20:01] <IdleOne> not the exact same meaning granted but way more acceptable
[20:01] <IdleOne> anyway
[20:01] <IdleOne> Going to have ubottu give you a couple of links
[20:02] <IdleOne> !guidelines > pozic
[20:02] <pozic> Anyway, I reported bugs in Ubuntu, so I helped more than most people.
[20:02] <IdleOne> !code of conduct > pozic
[20:02] <IdleOne> pozic: the amount of help one gives does not allow them to break the rules
[20:02] <IdleOne> you can say I love you 1 million times but the time people remember is "I hate you"
[20:03] <pozic> IdleOne: it appears that admins can break the rules all the time.
[20:03] <Corey> pozic: I assure you that's not the case.
[20:03] <Corey> If I start swearing, I'll lose ops and be banned.
[20:03] <pozic> IdleOne: that is probably sound advice.
[20:03] <IdleOne> if by admin you means ops no they can not. you can come here and report any abuse to the ops team.
[20:03] <pozic> IdleOne: ok, so if someone acts like an incompentent jerk, I can report them and they lose their ops?
[20:04] <IdleOne> not necessarily
[20:04] <pozic> If so, I am more than willing to obey by the rules.
[20:04] <jussi> !appeals
[20:04] <IdleOne> but if the Ubuntu IRC council feels it warranted it is possible
[20:04] <pozic> In general, ops should be competent people, imho.
[20:04] <IdleOne> see the above link
[20:04] <pozic> They should have e.g. higher education.
[20:04] <IdleOne> pozic: ops are volunteers, same as you when you report bugs. We all can make mistakes
[20:05] <pozic> Otherwise it just leads to conflicts.
[20:05] <pozic> They should have natural leadership by being vastly better than the occasional users.
[20:05] <pozic> What is the point otherwise to give them special privileges?
[20:05] <IdleOne> they try but when confronted by users with a poor attitude even the calmest, cool headed op can lose his bearings at times.
[20:06] <IdleOne> his/hers
[20:06] <jussi> pozic: you may want to take a read of the requirements to become an operator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[20:06] <IdleOne> So, I need you to agree to follow our guidelines and code of conduct (you don't have to sign it)
[20:07] <IdleOne> if/when you agree I will remove the ban.
[20:08] <pozic> In my reading catalytic implies competent.
[20:09] <IdleOne> pozic: if you believe you can do a better job I invite you to apply for ops, that will require signing the code of conduct I believe.
[20:12] <CarlFK> pozic: we put forth a best effort.  it seems to work good enough, and I doubt there are any reasonable alternatives.
[20:14] <ikonia> oh, my connection appears to have hung, damn screen
[20:15] <pozic> IdleOne: if there would be 36 hours in a day, I would. I can agree with these rules, certainly now they apply to all users.
[20:15] <IdleOne> they do and always have.
[20:15] <pozic> I have seen enough jerks in #ubuntu.
[20:16] <IdleOne> pozic: I need to remind you that any unacceptable behaviour from you will result in another ban and it will be more difficult to get it removed next time
[20:16] <Corey> pozic: Technical prowess takes a backseat to "able to resolve conflicts sanely."
[20:17] <pozic> Corey: unfortunately.
[20:18] <IdleOne> pozic: could you please join #ubuntu to make sure I got all relevant bans
[20:18] <pozic> Anyway, I don't think there is anything else left to discuss.
[20:18] <IdleOne> ok. have a good day. hope not to see you here again :)
[20:18] <pozic> I hope so too.
[20:19] <pozic> Good day, sir ;)
[20:41] <LjL> flametai1 has a potentially pretty serious problem in #ubuntu that i don't really know how to solve, if anyone wants to have a look
[20:42] <oCean> LjL: bug #624877 might be relevant
[20:44] <LjL> oCean: oh that might be it. however i think flametai1 was particularly unlucky to have it happen on the installation of dpkg itself... :\
[20:44] <oCean> yeah, that's a tricky situation
[20:45] <IdleOne> I say, kill and restart the install, make sure to md5 the iso.
[20:46] <rww> ouch O_O
[20:46] <LjL> IdleOne: i'm not sure he was installing Ubuntu, but updating
[20:46] <IdleOne> oh
[20:46] <IdleOne> that is different
[23:08] <ikonia> hello ubuser
[23:09] <ubuser> Enter text here...yepp
[23:09] <ikonia> right......
[23:13] <ikonia> hello ubuser
[23:14] <ubuser> hi
[23:14] <ikonia> ok, so lets try to sort this ban so you can use #ubuntu again
[23:14] <ikonia> IdleOne: if you are awake jump in
[23:14] <ubuser> plz
[23:14] <ikonia> ubuser: what happened/why did you get banned from #ubuntu
[23:14] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:14] <ubuser> the first 22 times, not really sure.
[23:15] <ikonia> ? first 22 times ?
[23:15] <ubuser> although i have been searching google and noticed that the chats show up :)
[23:15] <ubuser> yea i type fast, apparently so i get booted
[23:15] <ubuser> nevertheless, im computer illiterate so they kick me
[23:16] <ubuser> but, yay i got ubuntu 8.04 working
[23:16] <ikonia> ok - I've just read through the logs
[23:16] <ubuser> i tried the 10.04 and it had major video prollems
[23:16] <maco> typing fast shouldn't be thing, but hitting enter after every few words would set off a bot
[23:16] <ikonia> you have a bit of history in #ubuntu
[23:16] <ikonia> ubuser: there seems to be two problems here 1.) when people help you, you don't listen 2.) you are rude to people
[23:16] <ikonia> for you to get back in to #ubuntu we need that behaviour to stop
[23:17] <ubuser> dude someone said "my coke glass is hairy" and booted me.
[23:17] <ikonia> ubuser: I'm reading the logs - that's not what happened
[23:17] <ikonia> ubuser: so as I said, there are two problems
[23:17] <ikonia> the first is you don't listen to people when they are helping you
[23:17] <ikonia> we need that to stop,
[23:18] <ikonia> it wastes time in the channel for people and frustrates people
[23:18] <ikonia> they are there to help you so you need to work with them to allow them to help you
[23:18] <ubuser> i haven't helped people there either.
[23:18] <ikonia> I didn't say you had helped people, please listen to the conversation
[23:19] <ubuser> i got it, no cussing, dont say stupid thhings and what not
[23:19] <ikonia> no - that's not what I said
[23:19] <ikonia> please try to follow the conversation
[23:19] <ubuser> dont be rude
[23:19] <ubuser> and list
[23:19] <ubuser> listen
[23:19] <ikonia> the first issue is you don't listen to what people are saying (as this conversation is showing)
[23:19] <ubuser> and dont press entar alot
[23:20] <LjL> which you're doing right now
[23:20] <ubuser> i been looking for a sound fix for 4 days.
[23:20] <ikonia> we need that to stop, if someone is trying to help you, work with them, pay attention and help them to help you
[23:20] <ikonia> looking at the logs you ignore their help and just keep asking the same question over and over, which causes a problem in the channel
[23:20] <ikonia> do you understand the point I'm making ?
[23:20] <ubuser> ive done it all myself, i dont think that chatrooms gonna help me anymore than it hasnt bro
[23:21] <ikonia> ubuser: please stick with me here, and follow the conversation
[23:21] <ubuser> i have done everything they told me man
[23:21] <ubuser> it put me at no computer 4 times
[23:21] <ikonia> I'm not doubting you followed their advice, but you seemed to not follow the advice, and just ignore people
[23:22] <ikonia> as I said, work with them, give feedback, help them to help you
[23:22] <ubuser> yea, atleast half of them are cool
[23:22] <ikonia> NO !
[23:22] <ikonia> listen to what I'm saying
[23:22] <ikonia> "half of them are cool" is nothing to do with what I've just said
[23:23] <ikonia> I'll try one more time
[23:24] <ubuser> alrighty
[23:24] <ikonia> when people are helping you in the #ubuntu channel, try to listen to what they are saying, if you don't understand something, feedback that you don't understand, if it didn't work, feedback that it didn't work, if they tell you something won't work, let them help you find a solution that will
[23:25] <ikonia> do you understand what I'm saying now ?
[23:25] <ubuser> yeah
[23:25] <ikonia> ok, do you think you can agree to do that in future ?
[23:26] <ubuser> yea and hopefully someone can help
[23:26] <ikonia> ok
[23:26] <ikonia> the second problem is your language and attitude
[23:26] <ubuser> thats what i was sayin
[23:27] <ikonia> calling people names like "faggot" and telling people to "lick your balls" is totally unacceptable, and will not be tollerated in any way
[23:27] <ikonia> do you clearly understand that ?
[23:28] <ubuser> yeah
[23:28] <ikonia> ok - so if I remove the ban on you in #ubuntu, you will follow the points I have set out for you in here ?
[23:28] <ubuser> yepp
[23:29] <ikonia> ok, I will remove the ban for you
[23:29] <ubuser> ty
[23:29] <ikonia> ubuser: I have removed the ban for you, you can now join #ubuntu and ask for support
[23:29] <ubuser> although they are saying my version isnt supported
[23:29] <ubuser> so, should i try a different one?
[23:29] <ikonia> ok - then that will be a problem
[23:29] <ikonia> you need to upgrade/install a supported version
[23:29] <ubuser> i tried
[23:30] <ikonia> well, #ubuntu can help you resolve that
[23:34] <ubuser> plz keep spamming me with bots i <3 it.
[23:34] <IdleOne> ubuser: the bot is giving you information you need.
[23:34] <ubuser> i tried updating with cd's
[23:35] <ubuser> my cdrws must be scratched the only one that worked was a mini 6.10
[23:35] <ikonia> ubuser: we don't support in this channel, you should leave it now and continue the suppor tin #ubuntu