[00:01] <shauno> getting slammed with email at 00:00 is even less sociable than it sounds :/
[00:15] <hamitron> AT LONG LAST
[00:15] <hamitron> X is working
[00:15] <hamitron> :)
[00:15]  * hamitron does a dance
[00:17] <andylockran> czajkowski: are GiffGaff any good in Ireland do you know?
[00:21] <BigRedS> hamitron: whooo!
[00:21] <BigRedS> what did it take?
[00:21] <hamitron> not 100% sure
[00:22] <BigRedS> haha, it's annoying when that happens
[00:22] <hamitron> it has a xorg.conf file
[00:22] <hamitron> EDID dump
[00:23] <hamitron> the config file tells it what display to use, and to use the EDID file
[00:23] <BigRedS> oh, cool
[00:24] <BigRedS> seems almost like the prper way to do it
[00:24] <BigRedS> anyway, I've just noticed it's half past midnight :/
[00:25] <hamitron> hehe
[00:25] <hamitron> laters
[00:25] <hamitron> :)
[00:25] <hamitron> just a shame I had to use another OS to write me the xorg.conf
[00:25] <hamitron> ¬¬
[00:42] <shauno> andylockran: looks like it's just eu roaming as far as pricing goes (and no data).  coverage-wise, you should be fine most places
[00:43] <shauno> I've done dublin to galway without my modem disconnecting.  it's not a third-world country, it just looks like it in places :o)
[05:43] <czajkowski> andylockran: no idea sorry never heard of them till I came here and seeing as I can use my irish cc on their site I suspect you cant buy one over there but mabe use one you already have
[06:25] <screen-x> morning early people :)
[06:26] <czajkowski> screen-x: howdy
[06:26] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:26] <screen-x> morning czajkowski :)
[06:26] <screen-x> and knightwise :)
[06:26] <knightwise> hey screen-x czajkowski
[06:27] <screen-x> are you still videocasting knightwise?
[06:27] <knightwise> yep , got a kwtv episode standing by for this weekend
[06:28] <knightwise> reviewing 2 android tablets this week
[06:28] <czajkowski> I'd love to learn to sleep can you do a podcast on that please
[06:28] <screen-x> czajkowski: awwww :(
[06:28] <knightwise> czajkowski: i "feel your pain" (read some of your FB updates)
[06:28] <knightwise> i know how backache can realy drive you nuts :(
[06:29] <czajkowski> awake now since 4:30
[06:29] <czajkowski> tis not normal after being on the beer
[06:29] <knightwise> cant lie down  - cant sit - cant stand - cant walk kinda ache
[06:29] <czajkowski> no backache just wide awake
[06:29] <knightwise> ah
[06:29] <knightwise> just
[06:29] <knightwise> bling
[06:29] <knightwise> www.spacemusic.nl
[06:29] <czajkowski> ahh tv shows just landed down
[06:29] <knightwise> great podcast with soothing music
[06:29] <czajkowski> yay
[06:30] <screen-x> protip: changing the volume in gnome doesn't work when headphones are plugged into phone..
[06:30] <knightwise> hmmm.. got an old eeepc here from my sis in law
[06:30] <knightwise> 7 inch 4gig version
[06:31] <knightwise> wondering what to do with it
[06:31] <screen-x> ooh, I've got one of those, a 701?
[06:31] <knightwise> yep
[06:32] <screen-x> I run 10.04 une on it, works well.
[06:32] <knightwise> and what gui ?
[06:32] <screen-x> netbook launcher
[06:32] <knightwise> as in unity ?
[06:33] <screen-x> no, the old one
[06:33] <screen-x> unity was way too slow on it.
[06:33] <screen-x> the UI from the old netbook remix
[06:33] <knightwise> ah
[06:33] <knightwise> i was wondering
[06:33] <knightwise> if i put ubuntu server on it
[06:33] <knightwise> and then install the "gnome shell'
[06:33] <knightwise> will i have gnome without any apps ?
[06:34] <screen-x> at work we have a couple of eeepcs that run ubuntu server and act as data loggers :)
[06:34] <knightwise> (as oposed to doing a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?)
[06:34] <screen-x> I've not tried installing gnome shell on a server, so I don't know which dependencies you'll end up with..
[06:35] <knightwise> gnome shell is just like ... "naked gnome" .. right ?
[06:36] <screen-x> knightwise: not really, I think its just what the main UI is called in gnome 3. It still requires all the gnome libraries and infrastructure.
[06:36] <knightwise> ok
[06:36] <knightwise> perhaps i could try a Lubuntu
[06:37] <knightwise> that looks light and nice
[06:37] <screen-x> not a fan of UNR?
[06:37] <screen-x> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[06:37] <knightwise> not really
[06:38] <screen-x> fair enough
[06:40] <AlanBell> knightwise: yeah, that will basically work
[06:40] <knightwise> Hey AlanBell
[06:40] <AlanBell> you will be missing the theme though
[06:40] <knightwise> ah , but thats not really a problem
[06:40] <AlanBell> I have done apt-get install gedit on servers before
[06:41] <knightwise> so if i'm ever in a pinch and need a simple gui for a server , (without all the apps) i can just try that
[06:41] <AlanBell> hauls in a most of an empty gnome desktop
[06:41] <knightwise> and "roll my own" selection of required packaged ?
[06:41] <AlanBell> GDM will be a bit broken
[06:41] <knightwise> but , als a "thin clienty thing" it would be ok
[06:41] <AlanBell> sure
[06:42] <knightwise> i would just install NXfree client on it and have it connect to my nx server in the house
[06:42] <AlanBell> and you can just install bits until the stuff you want works
[06:42] <knightwise> Thats about what i'm looking for :)
[06:42] <knightwise> Thanx guyz :) might give it a spin this afternoon
[06:46] <AlanBell> you may get to the "sod it, just install ubuntu-desktop" stage
[06:48] <knightwise> AlanBell: true
[06:48] <knightwise> i'll tinker in a VM first , see how i like it
[07:01] <knightwise> VM running now.
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:06] <screen-x> Since upgrading to 10.04, gnome print dialogue boxes take a while to become responsive, with text in the status column saying "waiting for status from printer" or something like that. Any way to disable that, I dont want to know the status of the printer, I want to queue a document to it regardless of it's status..
[08:06] <screen-x> morning diplo
[08:13] <screen-x> bug 534985
[08:18] <DJones> Morning all
[08:24] <czajkowski> ello DJones
[08:24] <DJones> Hi czajkowski Hows thing
[08:25] <czajkowski> ntb
[08:26] <DJones> Good, are you still work hunting
[08:26] <czajkowski> yup
[08:28] <DJones> Not so good from that point of view then
[08:29] <DJones> Had your contract already come to an end, or is this in anticipation of it coming to an end
[08:30] <knightwise> hmm .. lubuntu looks pretty good at first sight
[08:35] <BigRedS> lubuntu's lxde isn't it?
[08:35] <DJones> knightwise: I keep meaning to have a look at that
[08:35] <BigRedS> openbox is awesome, if you can be arsed to configure it
[08:35] <mrwarmth> knightwise, I still can't believe they called it that
[08:35] <BigRedS> and lxde does a reasonable job of trivialising that
[08:37] <knightwise> it looks fairly ok !
[08:38] <knightwise> but it does sound like a lobotomy
[08:42] <czajkowski> DJones: came to an end
[08:42] <DJones> czajkowski: Right
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning campers
[08:50]  * DJones opens the door of the tent & realises its not a tent
[08:55] <danfish> DJones: I think he means we are all camp, ducky ;)
[08:59] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:01] <DJones> With the confirmation that twitter have bought tweetdeck for $40M, I wonder whether AlanBell will be selling circleoffriends to them for a similar amount
[09:04] <diplo> Any one successfully built syncany ?
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> DJones: likely
[09:17] <Neoti> any one want to set up a telecoms business ?
[09:20] <MooDoo> Neoti: phones?  internet?
[09:26] <Neoti> Phones
[09:26] <Neoti> voip
[09:26] <Neoti> and internet lines
[09:26] <screen-x> tubes?
[09:26] <Neoti> i need a new challenge
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> Neoti: gardening?
[09:28] <Neoti> i can do the geeky stuff ... if some one else can do sales etc ... split things 50/50 etc
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> cooking?
[09:28] <Neoti> i currently cook to relax whjen i get home ... lol
[09:28] <Neoti> and not doing anything for garding
[09:28] <Neoti> lol
[09:29] <screen-x> here probably isnt the best place to find people to do the non geeky stuff..
[09:29] <Neoti> lol...
[09:32]  * MartijnVdS looks at the "sci fi exhibit" doodle page
[09:39] <AlanBell> DJones: they would have to pay more than that!
[09:39] <DJones> AlanBell: Heh
[09:54] <diplo> Anyone here use Facebook chat and having auth failures ?
[09:55] <diplo> Was working this morning, but seems to have stopped recently
[09:55] <DJones> diplo: Seems fine to me
[09:56] <diplo> :(
[09:57] <diplo> Think my internet connection dropped, won't reconnect after
[09:57] <diplo> :/
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:02] <JGJones> Greetings
[10:02] <JGJones> I'm wondering - anyone here have an Asus Transformer?
[10:02] <davmor2> morning czajkowski JGJones
[10:02] <JGJones> As just wondering how you access the storage on the tablet via USB?
[10:15] <JGJones> Ah it use MTP...I see there's a mtpfs (FUSE for MTP)...off I go...
[10:21] <davmor2> JGJones: Ubuntu should just mount it as a visible drive
[10:21] <JGJones> davmor2 - sadly it doesn't
[10:22] <davmor2> JGJones: Is it android based?
[10:24] <davmor2> JGJones: if so there maybe a mode switcher on the device
[10:50] <Oli``> popey: helmet firmware?
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> Oli``: you know, the stuff that makes it firm..
[10:53] <Oli``> popey's tweet was: Overheard in the office. "Ooh! There's new firmware for my helmet!"
[10:53] <Oli``> Extremely curious to know what on earth that could have meant
[10:54] <Oli``> Unless it was firm-wear.. Which would be comparatively dull.
[10:59] <popey> Oli``: motorcycle helmet
[10:59] <mrwarmth> I think helmet firmware was a plot point in Lawnmower Man
[11:01] <BigRedS> bluetooth thingy?
[11:01] <popey> ya
[11:01] <popey> got a headset on so he can make calls on the road and listen to tomtom thingy
[11:02] <BigRedS> I tried one of those out at the weekend
[11:02] <BigRedS> I kept getting distracted chatting to the guy behind me :(
[11:02]  * BigRedS has no hyperthreading
[11:03] <screen-x> BigRedS: at least you can't overlay IRC on your visor AR style
[11:05] <BigRedS> haha
[11:08] <DJones> Netbooks set to become cheaper http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/26/intel_atom_cedar_trail_price_fall/ if the reduction is passed on
[11:10] <popey> i want to know what this new asus thing is going to be running
[11:14] <gord> oh cool, if your sshed in somewhere and the client machine suspends, it somehow keeps the ssh session open - suspend is great, why didn't anyone tell me before ;)
[11:15] <screen-x> gord: that must depend on the session timeout /keepalive settings on the server, and how long you suspend for
[11:16] <gord> a while
[11:23] <BigRedS> yeah, that suddenly started happening for me the other day
[11:23] <BigRedS> I've no idea what I changed, but it's awesome
[11:23] <BigRedS> I resumed an ssh session from ~36hrs after suspending my laptop
[11:28] <screen-x> BigRedS: wow, thats long than I assumed would work.
[11:32] <BigRedS> yeah, me too
[11:33] <BigRedS> I've not made any config changes to sshd or the client, though
[11:33] <BigRedS> so I'm not really sure how that worked. Unless it was done by the router I was using or something
[11:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:34] <mark__> morning
[11:34] <mark__> from liverpool
[11:34] <brobostigon> morning mark__
[11:34] <mark__> cheers
[11:42] <DJones> Yay, another NW Englander :)
[11:43] <BigRedS> NW England? that's gloucester way
[11:45] <DJones> BigRedS: Sounds about right
[11:46] <DJones> Although, could argue that Gloucster is more south east wales
[11:54] <oimon> is fglrx the proprietary ati driver?
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it is
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: don't use unless 100% necessary
[11:55] <oimon> MartijnVdS: free driver is causing problems
[11:55] <oimon> but fglrx won't install
[11:55] <oimon> well, it install, but still shows radeon in lsmod list
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> oimon: are you using jockey-gtk?
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> (you should be)
[11:55] <oimon> shows no properiaty driver
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> then fglrx doesn't support that chip anymore
[11:56] <oimon> grrrbooo
[11:56] <oimon> seriously?
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> seriously
[11:56]  * oimon hasn't used a machine with ati in for 10 years
[11:56] <oimon> i'm screwed then
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> The proprietary driver supports the newest few generations, and that's it
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> older cards are well-supported by the free drivers
[11:57] <oimon> not the x1250 though :(
[11:57] <oimon> bug 318325
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon: could your problem be related to my ancient x700 bug?
[11:58] <oimon> doesn't work in unity and resume from suspend is bad
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> oimon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/20283
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> oimon: also https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8038
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[11:59] <oimon> ubuntu sucks when you inherit crappy hardware :D
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> oimon: "radeondump" fixed it for me -- check those bug reports for my workarounds :)
[12:04] <oimon> where do u find radeondump MartijnVdS?
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> oimon: in a package.. no idea which
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> !info radeondump
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> oimon: or radeontool - utility to control ATI Radeon backlight functions on laptops
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> I think it's in that package
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> oimon: oh no.. it's "special" -- see http://who.is.free.fr/dokuwiki/doku.php/xrandr (look for "radeondump")
[12:14] <BigRedS> anyone know of any good docs for simple-cdd?
[12:14] <BigRedS> the page on the debian wiki is rather terse...
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: what is it?
[12:16] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: for building mildly custome debian install cds
[12:16] <BigRedS> seems to be the tool for doing same with ubuntu, too, which is handy
[12:17] <BigRedS> I just want additional packages by default, and a couple of extra repos (for now), and following the wiki produces an error on which my google fu is failing :(
[12:17] <BigRedS> http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto is the wiki
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I'd use UCK for that
[12:19] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: oooh
[12:20] <BigRedS> I do need to do this to debian, too, though. and ideally debian first
[12:20] <oimon> MartijnVdS: do u have a copy of radeondump on your box? the build is failing :(
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: no, I don't have that machine anymore
[12:21] <oimon> ok
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: how is the build failing? did you do the dependency install thingy?
[12:21] <oimon> looking for expat.h
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> oimon: apt-file search :)
[12:22] <oimon> ah found it...
[12:25] <knightwise> it might be blasphemy , but i'm curious to try out Amahi
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> avahi?
[12:25] <knightwise> amahi
[12:26] <knightwise> is IS fedora based but one heck of a "home server solution"
[12:28] <oimon> MartijnVdS: runningn radeondump didn't fix...
[12:28] <oimon> sounds like a similar issue though
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> oimon: file a bug, point people at mine ;)
[12:29] <oimon> is this video on a site of yours? the link is 404
[12:29] <oimon> btw the patch diff doesn't work on the pge you gave me
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> oimon: probably don't have the video anymore
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> oimon: don't do the patch thing.. just build straight from git
[12:30] <oimon> that's changed too
[12:31] <oimon> fails :(
[12:42] <safiyyah> slight problem
[12:42] <safiyyah> skyoe keeps loading and aborting
[12:42] <safiyyah> so I can't actually log in
[12:42] <safiyyah> i tried it on the terminal and it came up then it terminated itself saying aborted
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ask on #radeon
[12:42] <safiyyah> anyone?
[12:42] <safiyyah> i mean skype*
[12:42] <oimon> MartijnVdS: ok thanks for all the help
[12:53] <andrewebdev> erm... I just hit some key in the terminal and it "stopped" my process, but it's still running in the task manager? Is there anyway I can get back into that process in the terminal?
[12:54] <andrewebdev> (have some unsaved data in there o.O)
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> fg
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> you probly typed CTL+Z
[12:54] <safiyyah> sorry, skype is aborting and won't load please anyone?
[12:54] <andrewebdev> TheOpenSourcerer, thx, worked :)
[12:57] <safiyyah> AlanBell,  skype is aborting, it was due to the upgrade according to google searches
[12:57] <safiyyah> is your working?
[13:00] <safiyyah> Is there a force command for this problem guys?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: there's currently a problem with skype
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/05/26/skype-goes-down-apps-crashing-for-many/
[13:25] <safiyyah> okay thanx MartijnVdS
[14:00] <DJones> safiyyah: http://heartbeat.skype.com/2011/05/problems_signing_into_skype_an.html Seems to have a temporary solution
[14:01] <DJones> But doesn't mention a linux fix
[14:05] <andylockran> howdy
[14:08] <screen-x> howdy andylockran :)
[14:08] <andylockran> you well?
[14:09] <screen-x> good thanks, just revived an eeepc that had a spilage, by putting it in an incubator :)
[14:09] <screen-x> how about you?
[14:09] <andylockran> yeah, doing very well thanks
[14:09] <screen-x> cool
[14:13] <shauno> finally ordered an ssd for my lappy.  stoked :D
[14:14] <screen-x> shauno: which one?
[14:15] <shauno> an owc one .. because they beat their firmware into playing well with the trim-less osx
[14:15] <shauno> (and they bundle a handy kit to let me replace the dvd with a drive, so I don't have to give up my spindle)
[14:16] <screen-x> sounds good
[14:16] <screen-x> is that for a macbook pro?
[14:17] <shauno> figure it makes more sense to get rid of the dvd, rather than give up 750Gb of storage
[14:17] <shauno> yeah
[14:17] <screen-x> yeah, I wish manufacturers would stop putting optical drives in.. they have done their time.
[14:17] <screen-x> I didn't know you could replace the DVD drive in an MBP with another disk, thats a great idea.
[14:18] <gord> optical drives are good for "normal" people
[14:18] <gord> you can watch dvd's and games and music and stuff
[14:18] <screen-x> gord: but thats what the tubes are for
[14:20] <gord> good luck getting a good movie watching thing
[14:20] <shauno> screen-x: there's a couple different companies that do them.  optibay's another that comes to mind
[14:20] <shauno> I got an adaptor to replace where the dvd is now, and an external enclosure for the dvd
[14:21] <shauno> so I can still use the dvd, it's just no longer internal.  which is fine, since I barely use it week-to-week, let alone day-to-day
[14:23] <screen-x> yeah, in my thinkpad, I have a battery in the ultrabay most of the time
[14:24] <shauno> that's one option I really wish apple did.  but apparently seams are the devil, or closely related to
[14:25] <andylockran> that's kewl shauno
[14:25] <andylockran> I just put a 120G OCZ drive in mine.
[14:26] <andylockran> but took out my 350G standard
[14:26] <andylockran> would have been good to know I could have replaced the dvd
[14:26] <shauno> that's what I'm trying to avoid.  since this is my main machine, going from 750Gb to 120Gb would be crippling
[14:29] <andylockran> I don't have that much stuff to be honest
[14:29] <andylockran> Come into the office and connect to the network for files
[14:32] <shauno> I'm a hoarder :/
[14:33] <shauno> I'm glad it's all just data, else I'd be a genuine crazy cat lady
[14:36] <BigRedS> yeah, I've a 200GB disk in this laptop, that represents approximately infinite space as far as I'm concerned
[14:39] <shauno> 200 I could fill with sensible things, before I start moving onto my stash of music & such
[14:39] <shauno> last time I looked my photos folder was around 73GB
[14:40] <shauno> heh, 4th minecraft update in one day.  glad I'm stuck at work sitting this one out
[14:43] <popey> heh
[14:44] <shauno> dude's gotta learn to ignore the rabid masses a lil, and release when it's closer to ready
[15:18] <oimon> anyone use numpy and scipy?
[15:21] <screen-x> oimon: I used a few functions from scipy.stats, but haven't used either very much
[15:26] <dogmatic69> anyone know if its possible to copy music direct to an iphone on ubuntu?
[15:26] <dogmatic69> got it working so i can browse the folders
[15:26] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: I'm pretty sure rythmbox can do it
[15:26] <dogmatic69> music is not in rhythmbox
[15:26] <Azelphur> although one would ask why you have an iphone in the first place ;)
[15:26] <dogmatic69> > android :)
[15:27] <Azelphur> clearly confused, you are :p
[15:27] <dogmatic69> hehe
[15:38] <safiyyah> DJones, that worked. just go to .skype in home, and remove the .xml file
[15:38] <safiyyah> DJones, thank you
[16:32] <MichealH> popey, ping?
[16:45] <BakedBean> On 11.04 how do I assign applications to particular workspaces on startup ?
[17:00] <Azelphur> hmm, I'm running screen -d -m <command> and it doesn't seem to be launching the application. What am I doing wrong? :(
[17:02]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[17:02] <bigcalm> Anybody got symlinks working in samba shares?
[17:02] <Azelphur> oh, it is launching it, it just randomly exits half way through the bash script for no apparent reason.
[17:02] <Azelphur> \o/
[17:03] <oimon> bigcalm: have you got follow symlinks =yes in your smbd.conf?
[17:04] <bigcalm> No
[17:04] <ubuntucork> Azelphur: by default ubuntu does not use bash but rather a *bash* compatable shell
[17:04] <oimon> bigcalm: http://superuser.com/questions/128716/ubuntu-latest-samba-version-symlinks-no-longer-work-on-share-mounted-in-window
[17:04] <Azelphur> ubuntucork: ah I'm starting to see what's going on, it's not loading the required env variables so the script is failing
[17:05] <ubuntucork> Azelphur:  you need to install bash specifically to retest it, the version of the shell ubuntu uses is not 100% bash compatable
[17:05] <Azelphur> yep, screen bash /usr/bin/mine saves the day :D
[17:05] <Azelphur> ubuntucork: ty :p
[17:05] <ubuntucork> Azelphur:  ahhh env variables...sheesh lol.  :)
[17:05] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:07] <ubuntucork> Still on 10.04 and counting down to 12.04 when Stability returns(crosses fingers, walks room the backwards while incanting the Lords prayer, and burning incense and dancing a jig)
[17:07] <Azelphur> ubuntucork: I run a quad screen setup, I don't get stability anywhere. :(
[17:08] <ubuntucork> 12.04 equals shiny new laptop with all the bells and whistles.  Well laptop is vague term...power station in a luggable form factor :P
[17:08] <Azelphur> I have one of those
[17:08] <ubuntucork> Azelphur: stop showing off hehehehe.....have one pc in storage, laptop is my main workhorse and its so old only a few keys still have logos on them
[17:08] <Azelphur> power stations in a luggable form factors are awesome
[17:09] <Azelphur> hehe, that's all I had too :D
[17:09]  * Azelphur used to run off a P4 1.6ghz laptop that belonged to a school and had been decomissioned as beyond economical repair
[17:09] <Azelphur> had busted in usb ports and scratches all over :D
[17:09] <ubuntucork> And i wont trade it in for two years as it is working 100% perfectly both hard and software
[17:09] <ubuntucork> no everything 100% working
[17:10] <ubuntucork> It even convinced my gf to swithch from Win7 to lucid for playing her games on :-)  Oddly they run faster now!
[17:11] <ging> what games are these, didnt think many ran on linux
[17:11] <BigRedS> wine/xover-office sort of helps some of them
[17:11] <ubuntucork> I am thinking for my replacement I want a quad core rig and dual drives, big screen, like the alienware rigs.  Save save...Save. sAve.....shi*****  Tax tax tax tax tax......
[17:11] <Azelphur> ubuntucork: the alienware rigs are overpriced, you should custom build
[17:11] <Azelphur> I just sold my old quad core rig a couple months ago :)
[17:11] <ubuntucork> for her, mostly her facebook games, for me, counterstrike(i am not allowed to shoot the idiots i meet daily, oddly enough)
[17:12] <ubuntucork> not a desktop, a laptop version Azelphur
[17:12] <Azelphur> ah :)
[17:12] <Azelphur> ubuntucork: what source or 1.6?
[17:12] <ubuntucork> 1.6 more fun
[17:12] <Azelphur> hehe oldschool
[17:12] <Azelphur> I used to run a CS:S server, now I run some TF2 servers :)
[17:13] <ubuntucork> yup i jump for joy 6 months *after* a LTS release, thats how old school I am :)
[17:13] <ubuntucork> TF2???
[17:13] <Azelphur> team fortress 2, made by the same people who make CS
[17:13] <Azelphur> it's good stuff :D
[17:13] <ubuntucork> Dont have time with www....wwwwww.....wwww....flog it.  the four letter swear word starting with "wo" ending in "rk"
[17:14] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:14] <bigcalm> popey: I hope Hayley don't mind my addiction spilling over: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/IMG_20110526_164526.jpg
[17:14] <ubuntucork> bigcalm: lol!!
[17:14] <Azelphur> ubuntucork: I run a pretty big gaming community, a lot of us are Ubuntu users / wine users :)
[17:15]  * bigcalm likes wine ;)
[17:15] <ubuntucork> ah cool....Sorry Im not a gaming geek, but I know lots are, and I can run almost anything in wine these days except dopey hardware stuff
[17:15] <Azelphur> indeed, wine is awesome
[17:16] <ubuntucork> I run internet exploder to test various sites.....
[17:16] <Azelphur> I do all my gaming in Linux :)
[17:16] <bigcalm> Still too early to drink though :(
[17:16] <ubuntucork> different versions of the browser
[17:16] <ubuntucork> cant do that on the real thing :P
[17:16] <bigcalm> That said, 5.12pm!!
[17:16] <ubuntucork> bigcalm: thats gone past beer o clock in my part of the world
[17:16]  * Azelphur really needs to take a better picture of his gaming rig some time, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110511_172337.jpg
[17:16] <Azelphur> that ones so dark
[17:17] <Azelphur> and my case has a dead fan xD
[17:18] <Azelphur> I also need to shorten that ridiculously long pip
[17:18] <Azelphur> +e
[17:19] <ubuntucork> I want something like a 16 core low power high GHZ rig, something like the new ARMS coming out, nice and quiet...no need for games here, well much.  A fast NVidia chip will do.  Just your average basic quick porn station basically but faster disk. more ram and no hassles with unity..oops sorry about the last one :P
[17:19] <bigcalm> Azelphur: does the joggler get any use?
[17:19] <Azelphur> bigcalm: not currenty, I've been so busy on other projects I havn't had time for it
[17:19] <Azelphur> slowly starting to clear my schedule though :D
[17:19] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I know that feeling :S
[17:20] <ubuntucork> Azelphur:  we cal that ethnic cleansing round here ;-)
[17:20] <Azelphur> atm I've been playing "how much can we overclock the 5870 without it breaking"
[17:20] <czajkowski> ubuntucork: are you from Cork ?
[17:20] <ubuntucork> start at middle management, and work your way to HR for bonus points :P
[17:20] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:20] <Azelphur> I've got a 5870 running at 975Mhz (the "max" is 900Mhz, stock is 850)
[17:20] <ubuntucork> czajkowski: Peoples Republic of Cork, yes.  Formerly one of the 26 counties under tyranical dublin control.  Now a free state :)
[17:21] <czajkowski> ubuntucork: ah yes with an answer like that you are from Cork
[17:21] <ubuntucork> www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com :)
[17:21] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:21] <Azelphur> lol
[17:21] <czajkowski> ubuntucork: do drop into ubuntu-ie some time
[17:21] <ubuntucork> real website
[17:22] <ubuntucork> czajkowski: I would only be a tourist
[17:22] <ubuntucork> I live in the UK the last few years now :)
[17:22] <czajkowski> as do I
[17:22] <czajkowski> but from Castleconennell Co. Limerick
[17:22] <ubuntucork> czajkowski: shhhh dont let them all know your from Limerick, you will scare them man!!!!
[17:22] <ubuntucork> czajkowski:  :P
[17:23] <czajkowski> usually a few others but not in here today
[17:23] <davmor2> I know a limerick not sure it's suitable for this channel though
[17:23]  * czajkowski peers at davmor2 you behave! 
[17:23] <ubuntucork> I got out in early 2008 before the banking crisis, as anybody with half a brain could see that house prices at 12-15 times earnings and 125% mortgages was not sustainable
[17:25] <ubuntucork> czajkowski: I wll come in to ask them how  things are.  Cork( centre of known universe) has a great linux scene :)
[17:25] <czajkowski> it has CLUG which is a ml to meet up to drink
[17:25] <czajkowski> :)
[17:25] <ubuntucork> sure what else do you want on a Thursday night in November?!
[17:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: What?
[17:26] <czajkowski> davmor2: Cork Linux User group
[17:26] <czajkowski> there is ILUG and CLUG
[17:26] <czajkowski> cork is special they have their own
[17:26] <ubuntucork> davmor2: Cork Linux User Group, the hometown of Professor Boole, inventer of Boolean Algebra.   That's the Cork effect for yah! ;-)
[17:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: No I meant the peering
[17:26] <czajkowski> the limerick
[17:27] <czajkowski> I pre empted you
[17:27] <shauno> we used to have a glug, but it ran out of steam :(
[17:27] <ubuntucork> lol shauno
[17:27] <ubuntucork> shauno, ye were all too busy watching the seoiges :P
[17:27] <davmor2> czajkowski: lots of people talking about limericks I just wanted to join in :P
[17:27] <davmor2> you should be flattered :D
[17:28] <ubuntucork> I miss Zig and Zag Story time on Friday afternoons.  No reason to skulk off early now :(
[17:29] <ubuntucork> oops a little ot here ;-)
[17:30] <ubuntucork> BTW drupal needs documentation and user guides....its rubbish right now without them.   Wordpress is the benchmark for docs right now.  Does a great job!  just my 2c (minus bertie biscuit fund)
[17:37] <ubuntucork> um anyone see me am I connected?
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> yes, we see you
[17:39] <shauno> trying to decide if I'm really too lazy to get up & go nap.  doesn't make for thrilling convo :)
[17:50] <ubuser> can someone help me fix my pc, i tried installing grub2, now its giving me error 15
[17:51] <ubuser> is there a way around this?
[17:51] <ubuser> please help
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> !grub2
[17:52] <ubuser> please
[17:52] <ubuser> i am on a different harddrive
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> !grub2 | ubuser
[17:52] <brobostigon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 inthe error section on that pae it gives instrcutions,
[17:53] <ubuser> i cannot get passed the boot screen
[17:53] <ubuser> so is there a cd?
[17:53] <brobostigon> ubuser: you will need a live ubuntu media,yes.
[17:54] <ubuser> to reload....?
[17:54] <HazRPG> hmm, seems skype doesn't work anymore :S
[17:54] <brobostigon> ubuser: to reinstall grub2, according to the instcutions i pointed to, yes.
[17:55] <brobostigon> ubuser: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[17:55] <ubuser> u gave 14 links thx so much
[17:55] <HazRPG> was working last night... even tried restarting
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: skype is having a bad day
[17:55] <HazRPG> I don't recall seeing skype under the update list I had
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20066430-17.html
[17:55] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Hmm?
[17:56] <brobostigon> ubuser: thts page, is instructions.
[17:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: oh
[17:57] <ubuser> ty sorry bad day
[17:57] <brobostigon> ubuser: dont worry, i understand.
[17:57] <ubuser> okay, i got a 5.1 cd?
[17:57] <brobostigon> 5.10 ?
[17:57] <ubuser> yea...
[17:57] <ubuser> i got 10.04 on my pc
[17:57] <brobostigon> ubuser: it needs to be from a ubuntu version, that uses grub2.
[17:58] <ubuser> but its not running right now, and the video flickers
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> (you'll need a more recent CD, version 9.10 or newer)
[17:58] <ubuser> i was trying to add a command to the grub thing really, radeon.new-pll=0 they said would fix it
[17:58] <ubuser> i dont want grub
[17:58] <ubuser> i want my pc
[17:58] <ubuser> that blows. yay.
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> ubuser: grub is the first program that loads on your computer, which then loads Ubuntu
[17:59] <brobostigon> ubuser: grub is ubuntu's boot manager, you need grubto bootubuntu.
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> (or Windows, or something else)
[17:59] <ubuser> nothing loads on mine.
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> ubuser: Try following the troubleshooting advice on the pages the bot sent you
[18:01] <ubuser> i dont have any cd's
[18:02] <brobostigon> ubuser: can you make someother live media?
[18:03] <ubuser> im not downloading another gig to fix it
[18:03] <ubuser> ill throw the shit in the street
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> !language
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> !volunteers
[18:04] <ubuser> !gay
[18:05] <ubuser> its awesome upgrading from 5.1
[18:05] <ubuser> looks like thats my options/.
[18:05] <ubuser> i tried installing 11.04, 10.04 9.04 all the minis
[18:06] <ubuser> and finally, after i update to 8.04 or w/e i get my video working
[18:06] <ubuser> but i have no sound, and the guy tells me to update
[18:06] <ubuser> and i did, now i have no computer
[18:06] <ubuser> i couldnt care less about what most of the douches think
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> !ops
[18:06] <popey> ubuser: enough.
[18:07] <ubuser> 4 days of this
[18:07] <brobostigon> we are trying to help, and point you at how to fix it. abd gets things working again.
[18:07] <Daviey> ubuser, I can see you are clearly frustrated, but this isn't the best approach to get help.
[18:07] <ubuser> man i got booted from all the other rooms, someone give me advice instead of a bunch of links
[18:08] <ubuser> im not computer literate
[18:08] <ubuser> there isnt a way to just get around grub?
[18:08] <ubuser> i mean i got 2 harddrives, but the other one isnt showing up
[18:08] <brobostigon> ubuser: we have given you advice, we having given you exact instructions and ways, of fixing your issue.
[18:09] <ubuser> i missed it, i tried copying the link
[18:09] <ubuser> i'll type it this time
[18:09] <brobostigon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[18:09] <brobostigon> now, any live media will work about 9.10, as MartijnVdS said.
[18:10] <brobostigon> above*
[18:10] <ubuser> lmao, ive read those.
[18:10] <brobostigon> ubuser: it tellsyou exactlyhow to fix it.
[18:10] <ubuser> no
[18:11] <ubuser> if someone was telling me, they would say grab teh iso
[18:11] <ubuser> that doesnt say anything
[18:11] <brobostigon> ubuser: if you dont understand it, as us, forabout bits you dont understand.
[18:11] <brobostigon> sk us*
[18:11] <brobostigon> ask us*
[18:11] <ubuser> understand what? u sent me to like and ad webpage
[18:11] <brobostigon> ubuser: one page, the one i sent you, is all you need.
[18:12] <ubuser> yepp
[18:12] <ubuser> so r u telling me to download teh iso?
[18:13] <brobostigon> ubuser: make  yourself alive media of somekind, weather livecd or liveusb or otherwise.
[18:13] <ubuser> sudo addappgrub = fail.
[18:13] <ubuser> okay ill try
[18:13] <ubuser> brb
[18:14] <brobostigon> i have to be going soon, can someone take over please.
[18:28] <JGJones> OK...
[18:28] <JGJones> transmission is taking up 99% CPU even though it's in a zombie state...
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: use ps fax to check what its parent process is
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: then kill that
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> (that should re-parent the zombie to init, which will reap it)
[19:23] <JGJones> it appears to be gnome-session
[19:25] <JGJones> yup it's gnome-session
[19:25] <JGJones> whose parent is then gdm-binary
[19:25] <JGJones> so in short...kill GUI to kill transmission
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: you can also see what's keeping it going
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: because eating 100% sounds like not being zombie
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> but a reboot should do it :P
[19:27] <JGJones> Wayhey, it takes me back to my Windows days.
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: logout/login should be enough though
[19:27] <JGJones> "yup a reboot'll fix that"
[19:27]  * MartijnVdS had to reboot, because of a broken X driver :(
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> X worked fine.. mouse cursor was OK
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> but everything was black on black...
[19:28] <JGJones> nah, something up with transmission...I've only just noticed that it's doing this everytime I reboot so I'll remove it from start up.
[19:28] <JGJones> The only thing it's doing is just seeding backtrack
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> (so it feels very HHGTTG: "Every time I press one of these black controls, labelled in black on a black background, a little black light lights up black to let me know I've done it.")
[19:35] <JGJones> What's wrong with that?
[19:35] <JGJones> Black is all the rage these day isn't it?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: yes, but I prefer some contrast on my screen
[19:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: quiet spell so prod
[19:44] <czajkowski> davmor2: *burp*
[19:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're such a charming young lady :D
[19:46] <czajkowski> hey at least you admit I'd a lady
[19:46] <czajkowski> *I'm
[20:38] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:38] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I've added my name to the Scifi exhibit doodle list thingy :)
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> Wanted to see that anyway.. :)
[20:40] <popey> o/
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> Oh no, Alan Invasion :)
[20:46] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: that happened a *long* time ago :)
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: yes, but sometimes it's more obvious :)
[20:47] <gord> just make sure you don't get abducted by alans, no one will believe you
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> gord: Good thing I'm not a chicken then
[20:59] <popey> Team meeting about to start in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[21:13] <JGJones_> ok...transmission now have no parent processes at all, and is in a zombie state and is still chewing up 100% CPU and still can't be killed
[21:14] <JGJones_> even trying sudo kill -9 processID doesn't kill it off completely
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> JGJones_: cool..
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> JGJones_: do you have NFS?
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> or some other network file system
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> it might be waiting on that
[21:15] <JGJones_> it's a zombie that can't be killed. I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen in The Walking Dead...
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Doing a quick Google search, one reason often given is that the
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> process has done an uninterruptable system call (usually related to
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> hardware). It's waiting for the call to return but, for whatever
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> reason, it doesn't. Therefore controll is never returned to the
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> process to receive the signal.
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[21:16] <JGJones_> no NFS
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> JGJones_: strace -p ?
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> (sudo strace -p pid_of_process)
[21:16] <JGJones_> ta...will try that in a bit, I'm needed downstairs atm.
[21:16] <MartijnVdS>  good luck
[21:17]  * MartijnVdS is off to bed (yay time zones :))
[21:18] <JGJones_> ta for help and nighty night
[21:53] <gneel> I have a weird NFS problem
[21:53] <gneel> I mount a couple of shares from my NAS, in fstab.
[21:54] <gneel> I can write to them as my normal user, but not using 'sudo'
[21:54] <gneel> Anyone have any ideas?
[21:56] <oimon> gneel: what are the mount options?
[21:56] <gneel> rw,soft,intr
[21:57] <oimon> http://www.centos.org/docs/4/4.5/Security_Guide/s2-server-nfs-noroot.html
[21:58] <oimon> this explains the problem i believe
[21:58] <gneel> oimon: thanks, I'll take a look at that
[21:58] <SamJ190494> is there any way i can force my laptops fans to run faster??
[21:58] <gneel> Tried google, and didn't have the right fu
[21:58] <oimon> gneel: it's not recommended though
[21:58] <BigRedS> does ubuntu have a /etc/mysql/debian.cnf?
[21:59] <oimon> because any user can boot off a live cd, gain root access and edit files on your nfs
[21:59] <BigRedS> Oh, wait, I'm on a ubuntu. yes it does
[21:59] <oimon> BigRedS: talking to yourself again:?
[21:59] <BigRedS> oimon: yeah :)
[21:59] <gneel> oimon: I've got an encrypted home, but I guess that wouldn't help in that situation
[22:00] <gneel> Thanks for the link anyway.
[22:03] <oimon> i thought it was quiet in here
[23:10] <ubuser> i have finally got my computer running it is an older version of ubuntu
[23:10] <ubuser> i have tried burning the iso's for better version but they freeze when im installing
[23:10] <hamitron> what sort of computer is it?
[23:10] <ubuser> so, i am trying to figure out is there a way to check to see if ur drivers are good on ubuntu
[23:10] <ubuser> and i am having trouble with sound
[23:10] <ikonia> ubuser: what was the point of joining #ubuntu-ops making a pointless comment and exiting ?
[23:10] <ubuser> i got java and flash working in mozilla, finally
[23:11] <ubuser> i got banned from ubuntu
[23:11] <ikonia> ahhh, so you want support in here as you got banned
[23:11] <ubuser> idleones banned me
[23:11] <ikonia> so if you rejoin #ubuntu-ops we can try to resolve that
[23:11] <ubuser> he told me it wasnt for support
[23:11] <ikonia> I doubt #ubuntu-uk will support you as you got banned
[23:11] <ikonia> #ubuntu is for support,
[23:11] <ubuser> i got banned
[23:11] <ikonia> if you join #ubuntu-ops we can try to resolve you're ban and get you back into #ubuntu
[23:12] <ubuser> can anyone help me with my sound?
[23:12] <ikonia> that seems bette to me, as a banned american user in #ubuntu-uk won't get much support
[23:12] <ubuser> i have followed the directions given to me in that chatroom and they were all fails
[23:12] <ubuser> better than that room
[23:13] <ikonia> ubuser: I'll ask you one more time then leave you to the silence you'll get in here
[23:13] <ikonia> ubuser: if you join #ubuntu-ops again we can try to resolve the ban you have in #ubuntu and get you back in #ubuntu for support
[23:14] <hamitron> why would he get silence? :/
[23:21] <bigcalm> How do you find out which users have cronjobs?
[23:21] <mgdm> bigcalm: ls /var/spool/cron
[23:21] <mgdm> bigcalm: might be /var/spool/cron/crontabs, actually
[23:22] <mgdm> ah yes, the latter
[23:22] <bigcalm> Depends upon the system
[23:22] <bigcalm> /var/spool/cron was right for this one
[23:22] <bigcalm> Cheers, mgdm
[23:23] <mgdm> nae bother
[23:26] <bigcalm> I need to sort a sub-array within an array based upon a deep field
[23:26] <bigcalm> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/613507/
[23:26] <mgdm> usort()?
[23:26] <bigcalm> For some reason those are out of date order
[23:27] <mgdm> I did something similar the other day
[23:27] <bigcalm> Ta, I'll take a look
[23:27] <mgdm> you write a function that returns -1, 0, or 1 based on two array values
[23:28] <mgdm> if you're on PHP 5.3 you can use a closure ;)
[23:31] <bigcalm> The CakePHP 1.1 project won't run on 5.3
[23:31] <mgdm> O_O
[23:33] <bigcalm> <?php function cmp($a, $b) { return strcmp($a["id"], $b["id"]); } usort($client['Payment'], "cmp"); ?>
[23:33] <bigcalm> Perfect
[23:34] <bigcalm> Yeah, CakePHP v1.1 is known not to run on PHP 5.3
[23:34] <bigcalm> It stops me from updating my dev server
[23:35] <mgdm> CodeIgniter 2.0 throws some E_STRICT warnings on 5.3
[23:35] <mgdm> I should fix them and send a pull request
[23:43] <bigcalm> SLEEP!