[00:01] getting slammed with email at 00:00 is even less sociable than it sounds :/ [00:15] AT LONG LAST [00:15] X is working [00:15] :) [00:15] * hamitron does a dance [00:17] czajkowski: are GiffGaff any good in Ireland do you know? [00:21] hamitron: whooo! [00:21] what did it take? [00:21] not 100% sure [00:22] haha, it's annoying when that happens [00:22] it has a xorg.conf file [00:22] EDID dump [00:23] the config file tells it what display to use, and to use the EDID file [00:23] oh, cool [00:24] seems almost like the prper way to do it [00:24] anyway, I've just noticed it's half past midnight :/ [00:25] hehe [00:25] laters [00:25] :) [00:25] just a shame I had to use another OS to write me the xorg.conf [00:25] ¬¬ [00:42] andylockran: looks like it's just eu roaming as far as pricing goes (and no data). coverage-wise, you should be fine most places [00:43] I've done dublin to galway without my modem disconnecting. it's not a third-world country, it just looks like it in places :o) [05:43] andylockran: no idea sorry never heard of them till I came here and seeing as I can use my irish cc on their site I suspect you cant buy one over there but mabe use one you already have [06:25] morning early people :) [06:26] screen-x: howdy [06:26] morning everyone [06:26] morning czajkowski :) [06:26] and knightwise :) [06:26] hey screen-x czajkowski [06:27] are you still videocasting knightwise? [06:27] yep , got a kwtv episode standing by for this weekend [06:28] reviewing 2 android tablets this week [06:28] I'd love to learn to sleep can you do a podcast on that please [06:28] czajkowski: awwww :( [06:28] czajkowski: i "feel your pain" (read some of your FB updates) [06:28] i know how backache can realy drive you nuts :( [06:29] awake now since 4:30 [06:29] tis not normal after being on the beer [06:29] cant lie down - cant sit - cant stand - cant walk kinda ache [06:29] no backache just wide awake [06:29] ah [06:29] just [06:29] bling [06:29] www.spacemusic.nl [06:29] ahh tv shows just landed down [06:29] great podcast with soothing music [06:29] yay [06:30] protip: changing the volume in gnome doesn't work when headphones are plugged into phone.. [06:30] hmmm.. got an old eeepc here from my sis in law [06:30] 7 inch 4gig version [06:31] wondering what to do with it [06:31] ooh, I've got one of those, a 701? [06:31] yep [06:32] I run 10.04 une on it, works well. [06:32] and what gui ? [06:32] netbook launcher [06:32] as in unity ? [06:33] no, the old one [06:33] unity was way too slow on it. [06:33] the UI from the old netbook remix [06:33] ah [06:33] i was wondering [06:33] if i put ubuntu server on it [06:33] and then install the "gnome shell' [06:33] will i have gnome without any apps ? [06:34] at work we have a couple of eeepcs that run ubuntu server and act as data loggers :) [06:34] (as oposed to doing a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?) [06:34] I've not tried installing gnome shell on a server, so I don't know which dependencies you'll end up with.. [06:35] gnome shell is just like ... "naked gnome" .. right ? [06:36] knightwise: not really, I think its just what the main UI is called in gnome 3. It still requires all the gnome libraries and infrastructure. [06:36] ok [06:36] perhaps i could try a Lubuntu [06:37] that looks light and nice [06:37] not a fan of UNR? [06:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR [06:37] not really [06:38] fair enough [06:40] knightwise: yeah, that will basically work [06:40] Hey AlanBell [06:40] you will be missing the theme though [06:40] ah , but thats not really a problem [06:40] I have done apt-get install gedit on servers before [06:41] so if i'm ever in a pinch and need a simple gui for a server , (without all the apps) i can just try that [06:41] hauls in a most of an empty gnome desktop [06:41] and "roll my own" selection of required packaged ? [06:41] GDM will be a bit broken [06:41] but , als a "thin clienty thing" it would be ok [06:41] sure [06:42] i would just install NXfree client on it and have it connect to my nx server in the house [06:42] and you can just install bits until the stuff you want works [06:42] Thats about what i'm looking for :) [06:42] Thanx guyz :) might give it a spin this afternoon [06:46] you may get to the "sod it, just install ubuntu-desktop" stage [06:48] AlanBell: true [06:48] i'll tinker in a VM first , see how i like it [07:01] VM running now. [08:05] Morning all [08:06] Since upgrading to 10.04, gnome print dialogue boxes take a while to become responsive, with text in the status column saying "waiting for status from printer" or something like that. Any way to disable that, I dont want to know the status of the printer, I want to queue a document to it regardless of it's status.. [08:06] morning diplo [08:13] bug 534985 [08:13] Launchpad bug 534985 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Gnome print dialog box poll for printer info every time it's opened" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534985 [08:18] Morning all [08:24] ello DJones [08:24] Hi czajkowski Hows thing [08:25] ntb [08:26] Good, are you still work hunting [08:26] yup [08:28] Not so good from that point of view then [08:29] Had your contract already come to an end, or is this in anticipation of it coming to an end [08:30] hmm .. lubuntu looks pretty good at first sight [08:35] lubuntu's lxde isn't it? [08:35] knightwise: I keep meaning to have a look at that [08:35] openbox is awesome, if you can be arsed to configure it [08:35] knightwise, I still can't believe they called it that [08:35] and lxde does a reasonable job of trivialising that [08:37] it looks fairly ok ! [08:38] but it does sound like a lobotomy [08:42] DJones: came to an end [08:42] czajkowski: Right [08:49] Morning campers [08:50] * DJones opens the door of the tent & realises its not a tent [08:55] DJones: I think he means we are all camp, ducky ;) [08:59] hello all [09:01] With the confirmation that twitter have bought tweetdeck for $40M, I wonder whether AlanBell will be selling circleoffriends to them for a similar amount [09:04] Any one successfully built syncany ? [09:11] DJones: likely [09:17] any one want to set up a telecoms business ? [09:20] Neoti: phones? internet? [09:26] Phones [09:26] voip [09:26] and internet lines [09:26] tubes? [09:26] i need a new challenge [09:28] Neoti: gardening? [09:28] i can do the geeky stuff ... if some one else can do sales etc ... split things 50/50 etc [09:28] cooking? [09:28] i currently cook to relax whjen i get home ... lol [09:28] and not doing anything for garding [09:28] lol [09:29] here probably isnt the best place to find people to do the non geeky stuff.. [09:29] lol... [09:32] * MartijnVdS looks at the "sci fi exhibit" doodle page [09:39] DJones: they would have to pay more than that! [09:39] AlanBell: Heh [09:54] Anyone here use Facebook chat and having auth failures ? [09:55] Was working this morning, but seems to have stopped recently [09:55] diplo: Seems fine to me [09:56] :( [09:57] Think my internet connection dropped, won't reconnect after [09:57] :/ [10:01] morning all [10:01] davmor2: ello [10:02] Greetings [10:02] I'm wondering - anyone here have an Asus Transformer? [10:02] morning czajkowski JGJones [10:02] As just wondering how you access the storage on the tablet via USB? [10:15] Ah it use MTP...I see there's a mtpfs (FUSE for MTP)...off I go... [10:21] JGJones: Ubuntu should just mount it as a visible drive [10:21] davmor2 - sadly it doesn't [10:22] JGJones: Is it android based? [10:24] JGJones: if so there maybe a mode switcher on the device [10:50] popey: helmet firmware? [10:52] Oli``: you know, the stuff that makes it firm.. [10:53] popey's tweet was: Overheard in the office. "Ooh! There's new firmware for my helmet!" [10:53] Extremely curious to know what on earth that could have meant [10:54] Unless it was firm-wear.. Which would be comparatively dull. [10:59] Oli``: motorcycle helmet [10:59] I think helmet firmware was a plot point in Lawnmower Man [11:01] bluetooth thingy? [11:01] ya [11:01] got a headset on so he can make calls on the road and listen to tomtom thingy [11:02] I tried one of those out at the weekend [11:02] I kept getting distracted chatting to the guy behind me :( [11:02] * BigRedS has no hyperthreading [11:03] BigRedS: at least you can't overlay IRC on your visor AR style [11:05] haha [11:08] Netbooks set to become cheaper http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/26/intel_atom_cedar_trail_price_fall/ if the reduction is passed on [11:10] i want to know what this new asus thing is going to be running [11:14] oh cool, if your sshed in somewhere and the client machine suspends, it somehow keeps the ssh session open - suspend is great, why didn't anyone tell me before ;) [11:15] gord: that must depend on the session timeout /keepalive settings on the server, and how long you suspend for [11:16] a while [11:23] yeah, that suddenly started happening for me the other day [11:23] I've no idea what I changed, but it's awesome [11:23] I resumed an ssh session from ~36hrs after suspending my laptop [11:28] BigRedS: wow, thats long than I assumed would work. [11:32] yeah, me too [11:33] I've not made any config changes to sshd or the client, though [11:33] so I'm not really sure how that worked. Unless it was done by the router I was using or something [11:33] good morning everyone. [11:34] morning [11:34] from liverpool [11:34] morning mark__ [11:34] cheers === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [11:42] Yay, another NW Englander :) [11:43] NW England? that's gloucester way [11:45] BigRedS: Sounds about right [11:46] Although, could argue that Gloucster is more south east wales [11:54] is fglrx the proprietary ati driver? [11:54] oimon: it is [11:54] oimon: don't use unless 100% necessary [11:55] MartijnVdS: free driver is causing problems [11:55] but fglrx won't install [11:55] well, it install, but still shows radeon in lsmod list [11:55] oimon: are you using jockey-gtk? [11:55] (you should be) [11:55] shows no properiaty driver [11:56] then fglrx doesn't support that chip anymore [11:56] grrrbooo [11:56] seriously? [11:56] seriously [11:56] * oimon hasn't used a machine with ati in for 10 years [11:56] i'm screwed then [11:56] The proprietary driver supports the newest few generations, and that's it [11:56] older cards are well-supported by the free drivers [11:57] not the x1250 though :( [11:57] bug 318325 [11:57] Launchpad bug 318325 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "[X1100] flickering after resume from ram " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318325 [11:57] oimon: could your problem be related to my ancient x700 bug? [11:58] doesn't work in unity and resume from suspend is bad [11:58] oimon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/20283 [11:58] Ubuntu bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "[X700] Really bad sync on HP NW8240" [Medium,Fix released] [11:59] oimon: also https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8038 [11:59] Freedesktop bug 8038 in Driver/Radeon "Wobbly image on Radeon Mobility X700 (RV410)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:59] ah yes [11:59] ubuntu sucks when you inherit crappy hardware :D [12:00] oimon: "radeondump" fixed it for me -- check those bug reports for my workarounds :) [12:04] where do u find radeondump MartijnVdS? [12:09] oimon: in a package.. no idea which [12:09] !info radeondump [12:09] Package radeondump does not exist in natty [12:10] oimon: or radeontool - utility to control ATI Radeon backlight functions on laptops [12:10] I think it's in that package [12:10] oimon: oh no.. it's "special" -- see http://who.is.free.fr/dokuwiki/doku.php/xrandr (look for "radeondump") [12:14] anyone know of any good docs for simple-cdd? [12:14] the page on the debian wiki is rather terse... [12:15] BigRedS: what is it? [12:16] MartijnVdS: for building mildly custome debian install cds [12:16] seems to be the tool for doing same with ubuntu, too, which is handy [12:17] I just want additional packages by default, and a couple of extra repos (for now), and following the wiki produces an error on which my google fu is failing :( [12:17] http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto is the wiki [12:18] BigRedS: I'd use UCK for that [12:19] MartijnVdS: oooh [12:20] I do need to do this to debian, too, though. and ideally debian first [12:20] MartijnVdS: do u have a copy of radeondump on your box? the build is failing :( [12:21] oimon: no, I don't have that machine anymore [12:21] ok [12:21] oimon: how is the build failing? did you do the dependency install thingy? [12:21] looking for expat.h [12:21] oimon: apt-file search :) [12:22] ah found it... [12:25] it might be blasphemy , but i'm curious to try out Amahi [12:25] avahi? [12:25] amahi [12:26] is IS fedora based but one heck of a "home server solution" [12:28] MartijnVdS: runningn radeondump didn't fix... [12:28] sounds like a similar issue though [12:28] oimon: file a bug, point people at mine ;) [12:29] is this video on a site of yours? the link is 404 [12:29] btw the patch diff doesn't work on the pge you gave me [12:30] oimon: probably don't have the video anymore [12:30] oimon: don't do the patch thing.. just build straight from git [12:30] that's changed too [12:31] fails :( [12:42] slight problem [12:42] skyoe keeps loading and aborting [12:42] so I can't actually log in [12:42] i tried it on the terminal and it came up then it terminated itself saying aborted [12:42] oimon: ask on #radeon [12:42] anyone? [12:42] i mean skype* [12:42] MartijnVdS: ok thanks for all the help [12:53] erm... I just hit some key in the terminal and it "stopped" my process, but it's still running in the task manager? Is there anyway I can get back into that process in the terminal? [12:54] (have some unsaved data in there o.O) [12:54] fg [12:54] you probly typed CTL+Z [12:54] sorry, skype is aborting and won't load please anyone? [12:54] TheOpenSourcerer, thx, worked :) [12:57] AlanBell, skype is aborting, it was due to the upgrade according to google searches [12:57] is your working? [13:00] Is there a force command for this problem guys? [13:20] safiyyah: there's currently a problem with skype [13:20] http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/05/26/skype-goes-down-apps-crashing-for-many/ [13:25] okay thanx MartijnVdS [14:00] safiyyah: http://heartbeat.skype.com/2011/05/problems_signing_into_skype_an.html Seems to have a temporary solution [14:01] But doesn't mention a linux fix [14:05] howdy [14:08] howdy andylockran :) [14:08] you well? [14:09] good thanks, just revived an eeepc that had a spilage, by putting it in an incubator :) [14:09] how about you? [14:09] yeah, doing very well thanks [14:09] cool [14:13] finally ordered an ssd for my lappy. stoked :D [14:14] shauno: which one? [14:15] an owc one .. because they beat their firmware into playing well with the trim-less osx [14:15] (and they bundle a handy kit to let me replace the dvd with a drive, so I don't have to give up my spindle) [14:16] sounds good [14:16] is that for a macbook pro? [14:17] figure it makes more sense to get rid of the dvd, rather than give up 750Gb of storage [14:17] yeah [14:17] yeah, I wish manufacturers would stop putting optical drives in.. they have done their time. [14:17] I didn't know you could replace the DVD drive in an MBP with another disk, thats a great idea. [14:18] optical drives are good for "normal" people [14:18] you can watch dvd's and games and music and stuff [14:18] gord: but thats what the tubes are for [14:20] good luck getting a good movie watching thing [14:20] screen-x: there's a couple different companies that do them. optibay's another that comes to mind [14:20] I got an adaptor to replace where the dvd is now, and an external enclosure for the dvd [14:21] so I can still use the dvd, it's just no longer internal. which is fine, since I barely use it week-to-week, let alone day-to-day [14:23] yeah, in my thinkpad, I have a battery in the ultrabay most of the time [14:24] that's one option I really wish apple did. but apparently seams are the devil, or closely related to [14:25] that's kewl shauno [14:25] I just put a 120G OCZ drive in mine. [14:26] but took out my 350G standard [14:26] would have been good to know I could have replaced the dvd [14:26] that's what I'm trying to avoid. since this is my main machine, going from 750Gb to 120Gb would be crippling [14:29] I don't have that much stuff to be honest [14:29] Come into the office and connect to the network for files [14:32] I'm a hoarder :/ [14:33] I'm glad it's all just data, else I'd be a genuine crazy cat lady [14:36] yeah, I've a 200GB disk in this laptop, that represents approximately infinite space as far as I'm concerned [14:39] 200 I could fill with sensible things, before I start moving onto my stash of music & such [14:39] last time I looked my photos folder was around 73GB [14:40] heh, 4th minecraft update in one day. glad I'm stuck at work sitting this one out [14:43] heh [14:44] dude's gotta learn to ignore the rabid masses a lil, and release when it's closer to ready [15:18] anyone use numpy and scipy? [15:21] oimon: I used a few functions from scipy.stats, but haven't used either very much [15:26] anyone know if its possible to copy music direct to an iphone on ubuntu? [15:26] got it working so i can browse the folders [15:26] dogmatic69: I'm pretty sure rythmbox can do it [15:26] music is not in rhythmbox [15:26] although one would ask why you have an iphone in the first place ;) [15:26] > android :) [15:27] clearly confused, you are :p [15:27] hehe [15:38] DJones, that worked. just go to .skype in home, and remove the .xml file [15:38] DJones, thank you [16:32] popey, ping? [16:45] On 11.04 how do I assign applications to particular workspaces on startup ? [17:00] hmm, I'm running screen -d -m and it doesn't seem to be launching the application. What am I doing wrong? :( [17:02] * bigcalm scratches his head [17:02] Anybody got symlinks working in samba shares? [17:02] oh, it is launching it, it just randomly exits half way through the bash script for no apparent reason. [17:02] \o/ [17:03] bigcalm: have you got follow symlinks =yes in your smbd.conf? [17:04] No [17:04] Azelphur: by default ubuntu does not use bash but rather a *bash* compatable shell [17:04] bigcalm: http://superuser.com/questions/128716/ubuntu-latest-samba-version-symlinks-no-longer-work-on-share-mounted-in-window [17:04] ubuntucork: ah I'm starting to see what's going on, it's not loading the required env variables so the script is failing [17:05] Azelphur: you need to install bash specifically to retest it, the version of the shell ubuntu uses is not 100% bash compatable [17:05] yep, screen bash /usr/bin/mine saves the day :D [17:05] ubuntucork: ty :p [17:05] Azelphur: ahhh env variables...sheesh lol. :) [17:05] indeed [17:07] Still on 10.04 and counting down to 12.04 when Stability returns(crosses fingers, walks room the backwards while incanting the Lords prayer, and burning incense and dancing a jig) [17:07] ubuntucork: I run a quad screen setup, I don't get stability anywhere. :( [17:08] 12.04 equals shiny new laptop with all the bells and whistles. Well laptop is vague term...power station in a luggable form factor :P [17:08] I have one of those [17:08] Azelphur: stop showing off hehehehe.....have one pc in storage, laptop is my main workhorse and its so old only a few keys still have logos on them [17:08] power stations in a luggable form factors are awesome [17:09] hehe, that's all I had too :D [17:09] * Azelphur used to run off a P4 1.6ghz laptop that belonged to a school and had been decomissioned as beyond economical repair [17:09] had busted in usb ports and scratches all over :D [17:09] And i wont trade it in for two years as it is working 100% perfectly both hard and software [17:09] no everything 100% working [17:10] It even convinced my gf to swithch from Win7 to lucid for playing her games on :-) Oddly they run faster now! [17:11] what games are these, didnt think many ran on linux [17:11] wine/xover-office sort of helps some of them [17:11] I am thinking for my replacement I want a quad core rig and dual drives, big screen, like the alienware rigs. Save save...Save. sAve.....shi***** Tax tax tax tax tax...... [17:11] ubuntucork: the alienware rigs are overpriced, you should custom build [17:11] I just sold my old quad core rig a couple months ago :) [17:11] for her, mostly her facebook games, for me, counterstrike(i am not allowed to shoot the idiots i meet daily, oddly enough) [17:12] not a desktop, a laptop version Azelphur [17:12] ah :) [17:12] ubuntucork: what source or 1.6? [17:12] 1.6 more fun [17:12] hehe oldschool [17:12] I used to run a CS:S server, now I run some TF2 servers :) [17:13] yup i jump for joy 6 months *after* a LTS release, thats how old school I am :) [17:13] TF2??? [17:13] team fortress 2, made by the same people who make CS [17:13] it's good stuff :D [17:13] Dont have time with www....wwwwww.....wwww....flog it. the four letter swear word starting with "wo" ending in "rk" [17:14] hehe [17:14] popey: I hope Hayley don't mind my addiction spilling over: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/IMG_20110526_164526.jpg [17:14] bigcalm: lol!! [17:14] ubuntucork: I run a pretty big gaming community, a lot of us are Ubuntu users / wine users :) [17:15] * bigcalm likes wine ;) [17:15] ah cool....Sorry Im not a gaming geek, but I know lots are, and I can run almost anything in wine these days except dopey hardware stuff [17:15] indeed, wine is awesome [17:16] I run internet exploder to test various sites..... [17:16] I do all my gaming in Linux :) [17:16] Still too early to drink though :( [17:16] different versions of the browser [17:16] cant do that on the real thing :P [17:16] That said, 5.12pm!! [17:16] bigcalm: thats gone past beer o clock in my part of the world [17:16] * Azelphur really needs to take a better picture of his gaming rig some time, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110511_172337.jpg [17:16] that ones so dark [17:17] and my case has a dead fan xD [17:18] I also need to shorten that ridiculously long pip [17:18] +e [17:19] I want something like a 16 core low power high GHZ rig, something like the new ARMS coming out, nice and quiet...no need for games here, well much. A fast NVidia chip will do. Just your average basic quick porn station basically but faster disk. more ram and no hassles with unity..oops sorry about the last one :P [17:19] Azelphur: does the joggler get any use? [17:19] bigcalm: not currenty, I've been so busy on other projects I havn't had time for it [17:19] slowly starting to clear my schedule though :D [17:19]