| snap-l | Yeah, there is that. | 00:29 |
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| greg-g | whoa, what is this? three wiki page saves with no server errors?!?!?! | 00:53 |
| rick_h__ | lol, progress! | 00:58 |
| brousch_ | my irc is in th cloud now | 02:35 |
| rick_h__ | yay | 02:35 |
| brousch_ | irccloud.com | 02:35 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| snap-l | Woooooto | 02:48 |
| === smoser` is now known as smoser | ||
| snap-l | I'm changing the header for the Michigan team | 13:33 |
| snap-l | Now has links to the new loco directory for events and meetings, both upcoming and prior | 13:34 |
| snap-l | Although the 2010 and Prior link is a misnomer | 13:44 |
| snap-l | Not sure what to call it, since it has more meeting foo | 13:44 |
| snap-l | Just asked a question on the loco directory site for how to add synopsis of meetings to the individual meetings | 13:44 |
| wolfger | <boggle> | 14:17 |
| wolfger | I just ran across this e-mail sig: "Anything I write within these forums is EXPRESSLY my property. If you wish to copy or use it else where you MUST have my EXPRESS permission to do so." | 14:17 |
| brousch | heh | 14:18 |
| brousch | good luck enforcing that | 14:18 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm going to add "© 2011, My Name" to my email sig | 14:20 |
| wolfger | well, technically all e-mail are protected by copyright | 14:20 |
| wolfger | you don't need to post notice for that to be true | 14:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Good, they need to be reminded | 14:21 |
| * greg-g waves from Oakland U | 14:21 | |
| wolfger | but wtf is the point? | 14:21 |
| wolfger | unless you are e-mailing literary works | 14:21 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: woo, howdy | 14:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "All rights reserved". "Copyright violators will be sued according to current guidelines, which suggest about $100,000 per word" | 14:21 |
| wolfger | and wouldn't Google et al be guilty, since the *default* behavior of virtually any mail client is to quote the entire text of the e-mail you're responding to? | 14:22 |
| wolfger | LOL. $100k per word? You would make the very best professional authors jealous | 14:23 |
| wolfger | and make intelligent people laugh at you | 14:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm just going by what the courts have upheld for the RIAA. | 14:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Argue with them | 14:23 |
| wolfger | that's music, that's different | 14:25 |
| brousch | ok, so apparently i'm an idiot. i thought when i shut down my ec2 instance that the ebs store would stick around so i could use it again | 14:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | nope. My email are treasures. | 14:25 |
| wolfger | you're not just paying for words, you're paying for (ahem) talent and composition | 14:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | You dare say my emails lack talent and composition?' | 14:26 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm going to sue you for defamation. | 14:26 |
| wolfger | so to claim RIAA damages are "per word" is ludicrous and suggests that instrumental selections are free to copy | 14:26 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Also, all lines to this channel I've sent are copyrighted, so don't go showing this to people | 14:26 |
| wolfger | tis true... | 14:26 |
| ColonelPanic001 | no it doesn't. I never said instrumental parts weren't also composed and had talent | 14:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I just said my emails did, too | 14:27 |
| wolfger | channel logging infringes my copyright | 14:27 |
| wolfger | greg-g owes us money | 14:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | you better turn it off, all of you | 14:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | or I'll start suing IRC nicks. If they can sue an ip address, I can sue a nick and hostmask | 14:27 |
| wolfger | ColonelPanic001: you claimed RIAA was paid 100k per word. Instrumentals have no words. | 14:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I just claimed to be using their guidelines. There's some... interpretation... involved. | 14:28 |
| wolfger | heh | 14:29 |
| greg-g | you were warned and gave your implicit permission by joining the channel, seeing the /topic, and not leaving | 14:31 |
| greg-g | wolfger: ^ | 14:31 |
| greg-g | if TOSs are enforceable, so is a /topic ;) | 14:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | CRAP | 14:32 |
| wolfger | the /topic simply informs me of you infringement | 14:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I mean, YEAH | 14:33 |
| wolfger | I've not agreed to it | 14:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | WHAT HE SAID. | 14:33 |
| greg-g | wolfger: you have a choice to leave | 14:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | leave it to the copyright nerd to ruin my new business plan of suing thousands of IRC users | 14:33 |
| * ColonelPanic001 shakes fist | 14:33 | |
| wolfger | You need to put it in /topic as a TOS. "By participating in this channel, you agree to......" | 14:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | the topic must be a full legal document. Is there a char limit on topics? | 14:34 |
| wolfger | what does it take to get a politician to rewrite copyright law to be more sensible? | 14:37 |
| wolfger | I mean, aside from being a (ahem) generous multi-billion-dollar industry? | 14:37 |
| wolfger | :-p | 14:37 |
| greg-g | oh, wolfger, I'm in the same room at Oakland U where you presented on Bug Triaging way back in the day! | 14:38 |
| wolfger | It's scary that you remember which room that was | 14:38 |
| greg-g | my mind is like a trap | 14:38 |
| greg-g | bloody with sharp edges | 14:38 |
| wolfger | my mind is like a sieve | 14:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I can't think of a good analogy for my mind | 14:40 |
| snap-l | If you think your words are too valuable to be shared, please just shut up now and save us the trouble. ;) | 14:46 |
| snap-l | I'm here to share ideas, not listen to self-important assholes. ;) | 14:46 |
| brousch | ah, i was supposed to stop the instance, not terminate it | 14:46 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Did you see my header changes? | 14:47 |
| brousch | smoser: you deal with ubuntu amis on ec2? | 15:01 |
| smoser | i do | 15:01 |
| brousch | how do i find the official one in the giant list of amis? | 15:02 |
| brousch | there's like 6000 images, most of them say testing or milestone | 15:02 |
| brousch | i'm looking for a 64 bit lucid server ami | 15:03 |
| rick_h_ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide and http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/ is what I use | 15:04 |
| brousch | so you upload your own? | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | no, those give you the names | 15:05 |
| jrwren | oh yeah, burn all your $$$ on uploading. :) | 15:05 |
| jrwren | it costs like $1 to upload your own, ;] | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/current/ | 15:05 |
| brousch | ah, i see now | 15:06 |
| brousch | and clicking on the one i want goes out to the console for me. brilliant! | 15:07 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 15:07 |
| brousch | now i just have to remember to stop my instance instead of terminating it | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | good plan | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | or make your instances just scriptable builds | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | so that you can terminate and rebuild via scripts | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | so that you can easily recover, load in a new region, or fire up multiple instances | 15:09 |
| brousch | i think i'll learn how to do it the hard way first | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | that is the hard way, so good plan | 15:10 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yeah, saw that | 15:11 |
| brousch | oh nice, that daily one is completely up to date already | 15:13 |
| wolfger | snap-l: I'm anti-copyright... I *want* people to copy and spread my opinions :-) | 15:15 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Any thoughts on the change, or is now not a good time. ;) | 15:15 |
| brousch | rick_h_: ok, i want to learn the manual method first :P | 15:16 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, most people do, and then never get around to the right way | 15:17 |
| brousch | i guess it would depend on how often i end up using this | 15:18 |
| rick_h_ | well just warning is all | 15:19 |
| greg-g | snap-l: kind of busy, but, maybe a bit too long/tall? I was trying to figure out the best way to be complete, but not unbalanced | 15:30 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, same thought here | 15:33 |
| snap-l | OK, I updated it so it's not as tall | 15:50 |
| greg-g | cool | 16:03 |
| snap-l | I think I'm going to add a new agenda item to decommission google calendar | 16:04 |
| snap-l | since it seems that the calendar is working ow. | 16:04 |
| snap-l | now | 16:04 |
| greg-g | awesome, just use the LD? | 16:04 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 16:04 |
| greg-g | sounds good to me, fewer moving pieces the better | 16:05 |
| snap-l | Yep | 16:05 |
| ColonelPanic001 | oh, that's why greg-g is at OU | 16:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I forgot about that conference | 16:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I am sadly not there | 16:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | although I hear some of the fruits of my labor may have been talked about. | 16:12 |
| _stink_ | oh, that one | 16:12 |
| _stink_ | right | 16:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, that one | 16:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | https://twitter.com/#!/kimcallery/status/73766419409534976 | 16:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | wonder if she meant "mobile site", or if they actually did talk about the mobile app | 16:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I presume the former, because I don't see how they'd be able to talk about usage. | 16:13 |
| ColonelPanic001 | meh | 16:14 |
| jrwren | what is going on at OU? | 16:15 |
| ColonelPanic001 | http://www2.oakland.edu/elis/conference.cfm | 16:16 |
| snap-l | greg-g: heh, JoDee will be out at OU for class / work. | 16:16 |
| wolfger | snap-l: boo! hiss! Keep gcal! | 16:18 |
| jrwren | greg-g: does ken still work at OU | 16:18 |
| snap-l | wolfger: you'll still be able to have an ical feed. | 16:18 |
| snap-l | jrwren: No, he doesn't, iirc. | 16:18 |
| * wolfger is dubious... | 16:19 | |
| wolfger | I've yet to see an iCal that actually worked well | 16:19 |
| snap-l | wolfger: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical | 16:19 |
| greg-g | jrwren: I think he moved on | 16:19 |
| greg-g | snap-l: awesome | 16:19 |
| snap-l | Add that feed to your Google Calendar. | 16:19 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001: mobile dev? | 16:19 |
| jrwren | i should drop him an email. | 16:20 |
| greg-g | snap-l: when is she here? she should come to lunch in a bit and chat! | 16:20 |
| greg-g | she would like this crowd, i think | 16:20 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure when she's showing up there. | 16:20 |
| ColonelPanic001 | greg-g: yeah, I've written/write the WSU mobile app for Android and iPhone | 16:20 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001: awesome, then you should have been here! | 16:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | greg-g: yeah, I'd liked to have, but meh. | 16:22 |
| snap-l | I wish conference calls had some volume compression | 16:22 |
| snap-l | some folks are lound as fuck, and the rest are quiet | 16:23 |
| wolfger | snap-l: "processed 32 events, successfully imported 31 events".... I remain dubious | 16:23 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.imagescape.com/blog/small-and-fun-employee-benefit/ kind of cool | 16:25 |
| wolfger | MDLUG and WashLUG meetings not on the iCal... not sure if that's intentional | 16:25 |
| rick_h_ | pretty much :P | 16:26 |
| rick_h_ | there is only one true LUG! | 16:26 |
| wolfger | :p | 16:26 |
| snap-l | wolfger: So add them. :) | 16:26 |
| greg-g | wolfger: other non-loco events don't fit, logicially, in our loco directory listing, unless we're doing something there | 16:26 |
| snap-l | I don't know when they are. | 16:26 |
| wolfger | CPL hack day not on iCal or gCal, despite being promoted on mailing list... | 16:27 |
| wolfger | snap-l: you'd know if you used gCal :-) | 16:27 |
| greg-g | wolfger: good point, I can make you an admin on loco.ubuntu.com to add it for us | 16:27 |
| wolfger | and nothing on iCal past July 3 | 16:28 |
| snap-l | wolfger: that's because I'm lazy. | 16:28 |
| greg-g | wolfger: check what is in the loco directory listing for us, the ical is the export of that | 16:28 |
| greg-g | wolfger: what are we missing post july 3rd? | 16:28 |
| wolfger | but not lazy enough to leave a perfectly good gCal alone? | 16:28 |
| wolfger | greg-g: everything | 16:28 |
| snap-l | Wow, I forgot that I used a rather lewd forum name on the Ubuntu Forums. | 16:28 |
| greg-g | wolfger: examples? | 16:29 |
| snap-l | There should be IRC meetings to the end of the year. | 16:29 |
| wolfger | CHC, MDLUG, MUG, CHC again | 16:29 |
| greg-g | those aren't in the loco directory for a reason | 16:29 |
| snap-l | UH:CHC is only up to June | 16:29 |
| wolfger | CHC, WashLUG, CHC | 16:29 |
| greg-g | if you want those listed in a gcal, start a "South East Michigan FLOSS community calendar" :) | 16:29 |
| snap-l | They have been in gCal prior. | 16:30 |
| greg-g | yeah | 16:30 |
| greg-g | we need to talk about this, I guess :) | 16:30 |
| snap-l | Yeah, definitely | 16:30 |
| wolfger | ok, looks like the next irc meeting is listed on iCal | 16:30 |
| greg-g | what we want to get from this calendar, who/what we want to promote | 16:30 |
| greg-g | etc | 16:30 |
| wolfger | Meeting agenda for Sunday IRC :-) | 16:31 |
| greg-g | wolfger: please add your thoughts somewhere, in case you can't make it | 16:31 |
| wolfger | sure | 16:32 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/78/detail/ Item #1 | 16:33 |
| snap-l | er, #3 | 16:33 |
| greg-g | thanks, snap-l | 16:34 |
| snap-l | np | 16:34 |
| brousch | we have a west michigan groups and events calendar | 16:34 |
| brousch | damnitall. an old mod_wsgi bug is killing django on lucid | 16:44 |
| rick_h_ | hah! django and wsgi, I laugh | 17:01 |
| brousch | why is that funny? | 17:02 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, guess I've just seen the whole track record of django and wsgi tring to get together to play nice...from the "week don't need no stinkin wsgi" to current times | 17:05 |
| brousch | what else is there? | 17:05 |
| brousch | besides wsgi :P | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | heh, now you say that | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | things weren't always so | 17:06 |
| brousch | blah, this thing is little. i will try flask for it | 17:06 |
| brousch | see if that plays better | 17:06 |
| * _stink_ does Wayne's World dream sequence hands thing for rick_h_ to tell the story | 17:06 | |
| brousch | i had good luck with mod_python. i was sad to see it die | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | ugh | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | that thing was years over due to die | 17:07 |
| brousch | it worked! | 17:07 |
| brousch | lunch time | 17:08 |
| rick_h_ | that was a fast port to flask :P | 17:09 |
| snap-l | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10865031#post10865031 <- I really hope they change my username. ;) | 17:23 |
| snap-l | Though frankly, if they deleted the forum account, I wouldn't be upset in the least. | 17:24 |
| wolfger | or the entire forum? | 18:03 |
| brousch | wolfger++ | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | that won't work. I've been trying to do that for years :P | 18:05 |
| snap-l | qq for the sqlalchemy folks (well, maybe not so quick) | 18:22 |
| snap-l | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/325/ | 18:23 |
| snap-l | I want to use the Show class as a (for lack of a better word) "normal class" | 18:23 |
| snap-l | ie: have methods for listing shows, adding shows, et. | 18:23 |
| rick_h_ | don't | 18:24 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: OK, that's the feeling I'm getting. ;) | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | for every model file you creat, I strongly suggest creating a matching Manager class. I tend to just append Mgr to the class name | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | if the method deals with the current instance of the object, it's part of the main sqlalchemy object | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | if it deals with lists, or any number of instances (like a get_list method, etc) it goes on the Mgr class | 18:25 |
| brousch | rick_h_: you have an example of that? | 18:25 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'd like to see that. | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | http://goo.gl/JswXe | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | see the top there, Tag and TagMgr | 18:25 |
| snap-l | Ah, OK. | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | Tag has no real methods on it | 18:26 |
| snap-l | I was browsing that code last night, but it didn't click on what you were doing | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | but TagMgr has the static methods that work with Tag | 18:26 |
| snap-l | That makes sense. | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | yea, makes things a lot easier/more reusable | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | and there's no confusion on what a method returns | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | I hate having SqlAlchemy models retuning strange things | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | or wondering "is this model init'd or not" | 18:27 |
| brousch | rick_h_ is a genius | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | no, I've just ran into things I didn't like and worked out what I prefer | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | this is all convention/opinion, but it'll be part of my SqlAlchemy tutorial | 18:27 |
| jrwren | anyone use s3fs? | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | code like Tag.add_tag('test', Tag.get_tag(3)); drives me bonkers | 18:28 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Thank you. I'll play with that, and will likely adopt that convention. | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: no, I just use boto scripts to work with it for upload/etc | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | the fs stuff just seemed a bit scary | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | http://unserializableone.blogspot.com/2007/09/simple-directory-browser-for-amazon-s3.html helps a lot | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | see http://media.lococast.net/index.html | 18:29 |
| snap-l | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188154&cid=36252086 | 18:31 |
| snap-l | (the thread where the guy tells me what sites don't have inline ads) | 18:32 |
| jrwren | i'm trying out s3fs | 18:33 |
| brousch | snap-l: whoa, that is freakish. that article just went through my feed reader and it shows tiny snippets of comments in the reader. i read yours | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Yeah, snark is informative, apparently. ;) | 18:37 |
| brousch | i never look at names, so i didn't know it was you | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: something like: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/326/ | 18:38 |
| snap-l | Wow. | 18:40 |
| snap-l | Thank you! | 18:40 |
| rick_h_ | no prob, hope that helps | 18:41 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that helps out a ton | 18:52 |
| rick_h_ | don't forget to read the comments in the get_list method :) | 18:53 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I suck | 18:54 |
| snap-l | All the good variables are keywords in Python. ;) | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, pet peeve | 18:54 |
| snap-l | Well, it's lazy on my part, because I know better. | 18:55 |
| snap-l | But it's the ol' "I'll fix it in post" | 18:55 |
| snap-l | and it never would have been fixed. | 18:55 |
| binbrain | snap-l: var1, var2, ..., varN aren't Python keywords, just use those :) | 19:01 |
| snap-l | a$ = 'hello' | 19:17 |
| snap-l | Yay, more rain | 19:18 |
| wolfger | high 60 tomorrow, high 83 Sunday 0_o | 19:19 |
| brousch | why do i even try to start new projects with django when flask is so friendly? | 19:26 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 19:27 |
| rick_h_ | because you want to fit in with all those cool django people | 19:27 |
| rick_h_ | they have their own conferences man, djangocon | 19:27 |
| brousch | and a pony | 19:27 |
| brousch | i want a pony | 19:27 |
| wolfger | only if there's a dog riding the pony | 19:28 |
| brousch | that would be django with oracle backend | 19:28 |
| brousch | i guess that'd be a pony riding a dog | 19:28 |
| wolfger | that's good too | 19:28 |
| wolfger | I'm spoiled by a high degree of dog and pony shows here... I just can't settle for only one or the other. :-p | 19:29 |
| wolfger | That's why I got a great dane... a pony to go with my dogs XD | 19:29 |
| snap-l | wolfger: Well, hell, you've had some of the best salesmen jobs come through that organization | 19:30 |
| snap-l | "what we currently have is broken, so we're going to fix it more until everyone says that the old way was 10x better than the improvement". | 19:30 |
| wolfger | LOL | 19:31 |
| snap-l | (guy gets promoted, new guy shows up, repeat) | 19:31 |
| wolfger | and QQ | 19:31 |
| wolfger | I laugh because it's funny and cry because it's true | 19:31 |
| wolfger | so when's the next group outing? | 19:32 |
| wolfger | Everybody/anybody going to OLF? | 19:32 |
| brousch | 11.10 | 19:32 |
| brousch | wolfger: pyohio, i expect | 19:33 |
| brousch | there's that detroit makerfaire too, same weekend | 19:33 |
| wolfger | I feel like I missed Penguicon | 19:33 |
| wolfger | mini makerfaire AA? | 19:35 |
| wolfger | crap, I'm out of town that weekend | 19:36 |
| snap-l | I'm planning on going to OLF and PyOhio | 19:43 |
| snap-l | https://identi.ca/notice/74644224 <- Grr | 19:44 |
| ColonelPanic001 | snap-l used one of my favorite swearing combos | 19:48 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't know why, but the word "chucklefuck" always makes me crack up | 19:49 |
| rick_h_ | yea, PyOhio and OLF here | 19:49 |
| snap-l | IT's because it has the word chuckle in it. ;) | 19:54 |
| greg-g | snap-l: you and J should do a talk at OLF on your open-source/hardware lab equipment idea, even if it isn't ready | 20:11 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, we've talked about that. | 20:12 |
| snap-l | That's my goal. ;) | 20:12 |
| TeamXlink | Does anyone in this irc channel have knowledge about records (the audio kind not the book of records kind) or know someone that does? | 20:13 |
| snap-l | What do you want to kow? | 20:14 |
| snap-l | I speak a little turntable. ;) | 20:14 |
| TeamXlink | Well, I've got a lot of records and I'm unsure of their value. | 20:15 |
| snap-l | I'm not the person to ask. :) | 20:15 |
| TeamXlink | Most of them are the smaller ones. | 20:15 |
| TeamXlink | Oh, alright, thank you. | 20:15 |
| snap-l | Depends a lot on condition, rarity, etc. | 20:15 |
| snap-l | Plus there's different versions of the same recording, different grades of vinyl, different mastering (direct, OMR, Superdisc, etc) | 20:17 |
| _stink_ | maybe hit up a few used record stores and see what they say? that what i'd do if i had a stack of old books that i didn't want around, at least. | 20:18 |
| snap-l | Yeah, or check eBay completed auctions for what they're going for | 20:18 |
| TeamXlink | Alright, thank you. | 20:18 |
| snap-l | I know the prices on CDs a lot better than vinyl | 20:18 |
| snap-l | Just out of curiosity, what vinyl do you have? | 20:19 |
| TeamXlink | What do you mean? | 20:19 |
| TeamXlink | (I'm not sure the context of the word) | 20:19 |
| snap-l | What records do you have? :) | 20:20 |
| greg-g | snap-l: just making sure. We briefly talked about it today and I love the idea and I think you might get some interest at OLF | 20:20 |
| snap-l | The names of the artists, etc. | 20:20 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, I think it has some merit. :) | 20:20 |
| greg-g | (sorry, I'm delayed in replying right now) | 20:20 |
| brousch | i got flask up and running in a virtualmachine in the same time it takes me to create a django project and fix all the stuff in the settings file | 20:21 |
| TeamXlink | Alot of them are in the brown paper sleeving (looks like the kind paper grocery bags are made of.) | 20:21 |
| brousch | running under mod_wsgi with a vm | 20:21 |
| snap-l | TeamXlink: I think those might be 78s. | 20:21 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: welcome to micro frameworks | 20:22 |
| snap-l | TeamXlink: They should say what speed to play them at on the center label | 20:22 |
| snap-l | 78rpm records are also very heavy compared with 45RPM or 33RPM records. | 20:22 |
| snap-l | TeamXlink: The pricing on those is also pretty widely varied. I've seen them at antique shops pretty much in bulk, save for the more popular artists. | 20:24 |
| snap-l | ie: If you have a Miles Davis 78RPm, that's going to be worth more than some obscure big band that few people remember. | 20:25 |
| TeamXlink | Alright. | 20:25 |
| TeamXlink | Theres a few that are just a blank label. | 20:26 |
| snap-l | Could you take some photos? | 20:26 |
| snap-l | You've piqued my interest. | 20:26 |
| TeamXlink | I'll try and find my camera. | 20:26 |
| TeamXlink | brb | 20:26 |
| brousch | how much is my alvin and the chipmuks sing about breakfast cereals 45 worth? | 20:27 |
| snap-l | brousch: A punch in the mouth. ;) | 20:30 |
| TeamXlink | I can't find my camera | 20:30 |
| snap-l | If they're truly white-label LPs, they may be test pressings or underground record distribution | 20:31 |
| snap-l | those can fetch some $$, depending | 20:31 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_label | 20:31 |
| TeamXlink | snap-l: Alright. | 20:33 |
| TeamXlink | Thank you very much for the help. | 20:33 |
| snap-l | Keep in mind, though, with any collectible, it's all about what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller | 20:33 |
| TeamXlink | Yeah. | 20:34 |
| snap-l | so you might see someone pay $$ for something that they've been desperately searching for, but that doesn't mean it's valued at that. | 20:34 |
| TeamXlink | Yeah. | 20:34 |
| snap-l | Best bet would be to take a sampling, verify it with eBay (lookup what you can) and take it to a local shop, and see what they'll give you for it. | 20:35 |
| snap-l | Or, if you don't care too much about market parity, take the whole thing over there. | 20:35 |
| snap-l | The good ones will work with you | 20:35 |
| TeamXlink | market parity? | 20:35 |
| snap-l | What the value of the item is vs what the store will give you for it | 20:35 |
| TeamXlink | Oh. | 20:36 |
| snap-l | figure most stores will give you about 10-20% of market value | 20:36 |
| TeamXlink | Well, I probably won't sell them to a store but sell them myself. | 20:36 |
| snap-l | TeamXlink: Also keep in mind that vinyl degrades with each playing | 20:36 |
| TeamXlink | Yeah. | 20:36 |
| snap-l | so you'll want to play them on a good turntable | 20:36 |
| jrwren | rofl @ "most of them are the smaller ones" | 20:36 |
| TeamXlink | I don't have a record player. | 20:36 |
| jrwren | i assume you mean 45s | 20:37 |
| jrwren | but its funny to ehar 'em called smaller ones. | 20:37 |
| snap-l | TeamXlink: Borrow one, or go to a friends place | 20:37 |
| snap-l | or check with the record shop | 20:37 |
| TeamXlink | Yeah, | 20:37 |
| jrwren | sounds just like buying real estate. | 20:38 |
| TeamXlink | They have been in a crate for a long time, and some of them aren't even sleeves, so I think they might have the grooves on them worn down too much. | 20:38 |
| jrwren | value is entirely subjective :) | 20:38 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Well, if thy're white labels, they might be 7" singles. | 20:38 |
| jrwren | 7" doesn't spin at 45? | 20:38 |
| TeamXlink | Theres only 7 ones with blank labels. | 20:38 |
| snap-l | Depends. I seem to remember some 7" were 33RPM | 20:38 |
| TeamXlink | And on some of them one side is entirely smooth. | 20:38 |
| snap-l | TeamXlink: Yeah, you likely have some white labels. | 20:39 |
| jrwren | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_%28music%29 says usually 45rpm | 20:39 |
| snap-l | So you'll need to listen to them to figure out what they are. | 20:39 |
| TeamXlink | Darn. | 20:39 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Think Dance music, not traditional 45RPMs. :) | 20:39 |
| jrwren | luckily you can use shazam to find out what it is. | 20:40 |
| jrwren | trance/house? | 20:40 |
| jrwren | those are often 12" singles AFAIK | 20:40 |
| jrwren | but i'm with ya. | 20:40 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but not guaranteed. | 20:40 |
| snap-l | :) | 20:40 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TheTotallies.jpg | 20:43 |
| snap-l | The public’s view of vampires as “romantic creatures” | 20:45 |
| snap-l | couldn’t be more wrong – they only feign intimacy to lure in | 20:45 |
| snap-l | prey, and they only sparkle when they’re on fire. | 20:45 |
| jrwren | \m/ | 20:47 |
| jrwren | make vampries scary again | 20:47 |
| brousch | were they ever scary? | 20:47 |
| rick_h_ | you guys are nuts | 21:38 |
| rick_h_ | ty for the kind RT words there brousch_ snap-l and mrs snap-l | 21:38 |
| snap-l | :) | 22:09 |
| snap-l | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3QqO8EXd-II/TU0uREhst0I/AAAAAAAA9EE/G4kMJDDOlKo/s1600/image001.jpg | 22:21 |
| jrwren | i'm mrs snap-l ? | 22:32 |
| snap-l | jrwren: No, my wife retweeted my praise of rick_h_ | 22:32 |
| rick_h_ | hah, oops, missed jrwren | 23:19 |
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