[00:29] <snap-l> Yeah, there is that.
[00:53] <greg-g> whoa, what is this? three wiki page saves with no server errors?!?!?!
[00:58] <rick_h__> lol, progress!
[02:35] <brousch_> my irc is in th cloud now
[02:35] <rick_h__> yay
[02:35] <brousch_> irccloud.com
[02:48] <snap-l> Woooooto
[13:33] <snap-l> I'm changing the header for the Michigan team
[13:34] <snap-l> Now has links to the new loco directory for events and meetings, both upcoming and prior
[13:44] <snap-l> Although the 2010 and Prior link is a misnomer
[13:44] <snap-l> Not sure what to call it, since it has more meeting foo
[13:44] <snap-l> Just asked a question on the loco directory site for how to add synopsis of meetings to the individual meetings
[14:17] <wolfger>  <boggle>
[14:17] <wolfger> I just ran across this e-mail sig: "Anything I write within these forums is EXPRESSLY my property.  If you wish to copy or use it else where you MUST have my EXPRESS permission to do so."
[14:18] <brousch> heh
[14:18] <brousch> good luck enforcing that
[14:20] <ColonelPanic001> I'm going to add "&copy; 2011, My Name" to my email sig
[14:20] <wolfger> well, technically all e-mail are protected by copyright
[14:21] <wolfger> you don't need to post notice for that to be true
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> Good, they need to be reminded
[14:21]  * greg-g waves from Oakland U
[14:21] <wolfger> but wtf is the point?
[14:21] <wolfger> unless you are e-mailing literary works
[14:21] <rick_h_> greg-g: woo, howdy
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> "All rights reserved". "Copyright violators will be sued according to current guidelines, which suggest about $100,000 per word"
[14:22] <wolfger> and wouldn't Google et al be guilty, since the *default* behavior of virtually any mail client is to quote the entire text of the e-mail you're responding to?
[14:23] <wolfger> LOL. $100k per word? You would make the very best professional authors jealous
[14:23] <wolfger> and make intelligent people laugh at you
[14:23] <ColonelPanic001> I'm just going by what the courts have upheld for the RIAA.
[14:23] <ColonelPanic001> Argue with them
[14:25] <wolfger> that's music, that's different
[14:25] <brousch> ok, so apparently i'm an idiot. i thought when i shut down my ec2 instance that the ebs store would stick around so i could use it again
[14:25] <ColonelPanic001> nope. My email are treasures.
[14:25] <wolfger> you're not just paying for words, you're paying for (ahem) talent and composition
[14:26] <ColonelPanic001> You dare say my emails lack talent and composition?'
[14:26] <ColonelPanic001> I'm going to sue you for defamation.
[14:26] <wolfger> so to claim RIAA damages are "per word" is ludicrous and suggests that instrumental selections are free to copy
[14:26] <ColonelPanic001> Also, all lines to this channel I've sent are copyrighted, so don't go showing this to people
[14:26] <wolfger> tis true...
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> no it doesn't. I never said instrumental parts weren't also composed and had talent
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> I just said my emails did, too
[14:27] <wolfger> channel logging infringes my copyright
[14:27] <wolfger> greg-g owes us money
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> you better turn it off, all of you
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> or I'll start suing IRC nicks. If they can sue an ip address, I can sue a nick and hostmask
[14:27] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: you claimed RIAA was paid 100k per word. Instrumentals have no words.
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> I just claimed to be using their guidelines. There's some... interpretation... involved.
[14:29] <wolfger> heh
[14:31] <greg-g> you were warned and gave your implicit permission by joining the channel, seeing the /topic, and not leaving
[14:31] <greg-g> wolfger: ^
[14:31] <greg-g> if TOSs are enforceable, so is a /topic ;)
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> CRAP
[14:32] <wolfger> the /topic simply informs me of you infringement
[14:33] <ColonelPanic001> I mean, YEAH
[14:33] <wolfger> I've not agreed to it
[14:33] <ColonelPanic001> WHAT HE SAID.
[14:33] <greg-g> wolfger: you have a choice to leave
[14:33] <ColonelPanic001> leave it to the copyright nerd to ruin my new business plan of suing thousands of IRC users
[14:33]  * ColonelPanic001 shakes fist
[14:33] <wolfger> You need to put it in /topic as a TOS. "By participating in this channel, you agree to......"
[14:34] <ColonelPanic001> the topic must be a full legal document. Is there a char limit on topics?
[14:37] <wolfger> what does it take to get a politician to rewrite copyright law to be more sensible?
[14:37] <wolfger> I mean, aside from being a (ahem) generous multi-billion-dollar industry?
[14:37] <wolfger> :-p
[14:38] <greg-g> oh, wolfger, I'm in the same room at Oakland U where you presented on Bug Triaging way back in the day!
[14:38] <wolfger> It's scary that you remember which room that was
[14:38] <greg-g> my mind is like a trap
[14:38] <greg-g> bloody with sharp edges
[14:38] <wolfger> my mind is like a sieve
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> I can't think of a good analogy for my mind
[14:46] <snap-l> If you think your words are too valuable to be shared, please just shut up now and save us the trouble. ;)
[14:46] <snap-l> I'm here to share ideas, not listen to self-important assholes. ;)
[14:46] <brousch> ah, i was supposed to stop the instance, not terminate it
[14:47] <snap-l> greg-g: Did you see my header changes?
[15:01] <brousch> smoser: you deal with ubuntu amis on ec2?
[15:01] <smoser> i do
[15:02] <brousch> how do i find the official one in the giant list of amis?
[15:02] <brousch> there's like 6000 images, most of them say testing or milestone
[15:03] <brousch> i'm looking for a 64 bit lucid server ami
[15:04] <rick_h_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide and http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/ is what I use
[15:05] <brousch> so you upload your own?
[15:05] <rick_h_> no, those give you the names
[15:05] <jrwren> oh yeah, burn all your $$$ on uploading. :)
[15:05] <jrwren> it costs like $1 to upload your own, ;]
[15:05] <rick_h_> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/current/
[15:06] <brousch> ah, i see now
[15:07] <brousch> and clicking on the one i want goes out to the console for me. brilliant!
[15:07] <rick_h_> :)
[15:08] <brousch> now i just have to remember to stop my instance instead of terminating it
[15:08] <rick_h_> good plan
[15:08] <rick_h_> or make your instances just scriptable builds
[15:08] <rick_h_> so that you can terminate and rebuild via scripts
[15:09] <rick_h_> so that you can easily recover, load in a new region, or fire up multiple instances
[15:09] <brousch> i think i'll learn how to do it the hard way first
[15:10] <rick_h_> that is the hard way, so good plan
[15:11] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, saw that
[15:13] <brousch> oh nice, that daily one is completely up to date already
[15:15] <wolfger> snap-l: I'm anti-copyright... I *want* people to copy and spread my opinions :-)
[15:15] <snap-l> greg-g: Any thoughts on the change, or is now not a good time. ;)
[15:16] <brousch> rick_h_: ok, i want to learn the manual method first :P
[15:17] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, most people do, and then never get around to the right way
[15:18] <brousch> i guess it would depend on how often i end up using this
[15:19] <rick_h_> well just warning is all
[15:30] <greg-g> snap-l: kind of busy, but, maybe a bit too long/tall? I was trying to figure out the best way to be complete, but not unbalanced
[15:33] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, same thought here
[15:50] <snap-l> OK, I updated it so it's not as tall
[16:03] <greg-g> cool
[16:04] <snap-l> I think I'm going to add a new agenda item to decommission google calendar
[16:04] <snap-l> since it seems that the calendar is working ow.
[16:04] <snap-l> now
[16:04] <greg-g> awesome, just use the LD?
[16:04] <snap-l> Yeah
[16:05] <greg-g> sounds good to me, fewer moving pieces the better
[16:05] <snap-l> Yep
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> oh, that's why greg-g is at OU
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> I forgot about that conference
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> I am sadly not there
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> although I hear some of the fruits of my labor may have been talked about.
[16:12] <_stink_> oh, that one
[16:13] <_stink_> right
[16:13] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, that one
[16:13] <ColonelPanic001> https://twitter.com/#!/kimcallery/status/73766419409534976
[16:13] <ColonelPanic001> wonder if she meant "mobile site", or if they actually did talk about the mobile app
[16:13] <ColonelPanic001> I presume the former, because I don't see how they'd be able to talk about usage.
[16:14] <ColonelPanic001> meh
[16:15] <jrwren> what is going on at OU?
[16:16] <ColonelPanic001> http://www2.oakland.edu/elis/conference.cfm
[16:16] <snap-l> greg-g: heh, JoDee will be out at OU for class / work.
[16:18] <wolfger> snap-l: boo! hiss! Keep gcal!
[16:18] <jrwren> greg-g: does ken still work at OU
[16:18] <snap-l> wolfger: you'll still be able to have an ical feed.
[16:18] <snap-l> jrwren: No, he doesn't, iirc.
[16:19]  * wolfger is dubious...
[16:19] <wolfger> I've yet to see an iCal that actually worked well
[16:19] <snap-l> wolfger: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical
[16:19] <greg-g> jrwren: I think he moved on
[16:19] <greg-g> snap-l: awesome
[16:19] <snap-l> Add that feed to your Google Calendar.
[16:19] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: mobile dev?
[16:20] <jrwren> i should drop him an email.
[16:20] <greg-g> snap-l: when is she here? she should come to lunch in a bit and chat!
[16:20] <greg-g> she would like this crowd, i think
[16:20] <snap-l> I'm not sure when she's showing up there.
[16:20] <ColonelPanic001> greg-g: yeah, I've written/write the WSU mobile app for Android and iPhone
[16:21] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: awesome, then you should have been here!
[16:22] <ColonelPanic001> greg-g: yeah, I'd liked to have, but meh.
[16:22] <snap-l> I wish conference calls had some volume compression
[16:23] <snap-l> some folks are lound as fuck, and the rest are quiet
[16:23] <wolfger> snap-l: "processed 32 events, successfully imported 31 events".... I remain dubious
[16:25] <rick_h_> http://www.imagescape.com/blog/small-and-fun-employee-benefit/ kind of cool
[16:25] <wolfger> MDLUG and WashLUG meetings not on the iCal... not sure if that's intentional
[16:26] <rick_h_> pretty much :P
[16:26] <rick_h_> there is only one true LUG!
[16:26] <wolfger> :p
[16:26] <snap-l> wolfger: So add them. :)
[16:26] <greg-g> wolfger: other non-loco events don't fit, logicially, in our loco directory listing, unless we're doing something there
[16:26] <snap-l> I don't know when they are.
[16:27] <wolfger> CPL hack day not on iCal or gCal, despite being promoted on mailing list...
[16:27] <wolfger> snap-l: you'd know if you used gCal :-)
[16:27] <greg-g> wolfger: good point, I can make you an admin on loco.ubuntu.com to add it for us
[16:28] <wolfger> and nothing on iCal past July 3
[16:28] <snap-l> wolfger: that's because I'm lazy.
[16:28] <greg-g> wolfger: check what is in the loco directory listing for us, the ical is the export of that
[16:28] <greg-g> wolfger: what are we missing post july 3rd?
[16:28] <wolfger> but not lazy enough to leave a perfectly good gCal alone?
[16:28] <wolfger> greg-g: everything
[16:28] <snap-l> Wow, I forgot that I used a rather lewd forum name on the Ubuntu Forums.
[16:29] <greg-g> wolfger: examples?
[16:29] <snap-l> There should be IRC meetings to the end of the year.
[16:29] <wolfger> CHC, MDLUG, MUG, CHC again
[16:29] <greg-g> those aren't in the loco directory for a reason
[16:29] <snap-l> UH:CHC is only up to June
[16:29] <wolfger> CHC, WashLUG, CHC
[16:29] <greg-g> if you want those listed in a gcal, start a "South East Michigan FLOSS community calendar" :)
[16:30] <snap-l> They have been in gCal prior.
[16:30] <greg-g> yeah
[16:30] <greg-g> we need to talk about this, I guess :)
[16:30] <snap-l> Yeah, definitely
[16:30] <wolfger> ok, looks like the next irc meeting is listed on iCal
[16:30] <greg-g> what we want to get from this calendar, who/what we want to promote
[16:30] <greg-g> etc
[16:31] <wolfger> Meeting agenda for Sunday IRC :-)
[16:31] <greg-g> wolfger: please add your thoughts somewhere, in case you can't make it
[16:32] <wolfger> sure
[16:33] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/78/detail/ Item #1
[16:33] <snap-l> er, #3
[16:34] <greg-g> thanks, snap-l
[16:34] <snap-l> np
[16:34] <brousch> we have a west michigan groups and events calendar
[16:44] <brousch> damnitall. an old mod_wsgi bug is killing django on lucid
[17:01] <rick_h_> hah! django and wsgi, I laugh
[17:02] <brousch> why is that funny?
[17:05] <rick_h_> sorry, guess I've just seen the whole track record of django and wsgi tring to get together to play nice...from the "week don't need no stinkin wsgi" to current times
[17:05] <brousch> what else is there?
[17:05] <brousch> besides wsgi :P
[17:06] <rick_h_> heh, now you say that
[17:06] <rick_h_> things weren't always so
[17:06] <brousch> blah, this thing is little. i will try flask for it
[17:06] <brousch> see if that plays better
[17:06]  * _stink_ does Wayne's World dream sequence hands thing for rick_h_ to tell the story
[17:07] <brousch> i had good luck with mod_python. i was sad to see it die
[17:07] <rick_h_> ugh
[17:07] <rick_h_> that thing was years over due to die
[17:07] <brousch> it worked!
[17:08] <brousch> lunch time
[17:09] <rick_h_> that was a fast port to flask :P
[17:23] <snap-l> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10865031#post10865031 <- I really hope they change my username. ;)
[17:24] <snap-l> Though frankly, if they deleted the forum account, I wouldn't be upset in the least.
[18:03] <wolfger> or the entire forum?
[18:04] <brousch> wolfger++
[18:05] <rick_h_> that won't work. I've been trying to do that for years :P
[18:22] <snap-l> qq for the sqlalchemy folks (well, maybe not so quick)
[18:23] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/325/
[18:23] <snap-l> I want to use the Show class as a (for lack of a better word) "normal class"
[18:23] <snap-l> ie: have methods for listing shows, adding shows, et.
[18:24] <rick_h_> don't
[18:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: OK, that's the feeling I'm getting. ;)
[18:24] <rick_h_> for every model file you creat, I strongly suggest creating a matching Manager class. I tend to just append Mgr to the class name
[18:24] <rick_h_> if the method deals with the current instance of the object, it's part of the main sqlalchemy object
[18:25] <rick_h_> if it deals with lists, or any number of instances (like a get_list method, etc) it goes on the Mgr class
[18:25] <brousch> rick_h_: you have an example of that?
[18:25] <snap-l> Yeah, I'd like to see that.
[18:25] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/JswXe
[18:25] <rick_h_> see the top there, Tag and TagMgr
[18:26] <snap-l> Ah, OK.
[18:26] <rick_h_> Tag has no real methods on it
[18:26] <snap-l> I was browsing that code last night, but it didn't click on what you were doing
[18:26] <rick_h_> but TagMgr has the static methods that work with Tag
[18:26] <snap-l> That makes sense.
[18:26] <rick_h_> yea, makes things a lot easier/more reusable
[18:26] <rick_h_> and there's no confusion on what a method returns
[18:26] <rick_h_> I hate having SqlAlchemy models retuning strange things
[18:27] <rick_h_> or wondering "is this model init'd or not"
[18:27] <brousch> rick_h_ is a genius
[18:27] <rick_h_> no, I've just ran into things I didn't like and worked out what I prefer
[18:27] <rick_h_> this is all convention/opinion, but it'll be part of my SqlAlchemy tutorial
[18:28] <jrwren> anyone use s3fs?
[18:28] <rick_h_> code like Tag.add_tag('test', Tag.get_tag(3)); drives me bonkers
[18:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: Thank you. I'll play with that, and will likely adopt that convention.
[18:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, I just use boto scripts to work with it for upload/etc
[18:28] <rick_h_> the fs stuff just seemed a bit scary
[18:29] <rick_h_> http://unserializableone.blogspot.com/2007/09/simple-directory-browser-for-amazon-s3.html helps a lot
[18:29] <rick_h_> see http://media.lococast.net/index.html
[18:31] <snap-l> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2188154&cid=36252086
[18:32] <snap-l> (the thread where the guy tells me what sites don't have inline ads)
[18:33] <jrwren> i'm trying out s3fs
[18:35] <brousch> snap-l: whoa, that is freakish. that article just went through my feed reader and it shows tiny snippets of comments in the reader. i read yours
[18:37] <snap-l> Yeah, snark is informative, apparently. ;)
[18:38] <brousch> i never look at names, so i didn't know it was you
[18:38] <rick_h_> snap-l: something like: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/326/
[18:40] <snap-l> Wow.
[18:40] <snap-l> Thank you!
[18:41] <rick_h_> no prob, hope that helps
[18:52] <snap-l> Yeah, that helps out a ton
[18:53] <rick_h_> don't forget to read the comments in the get_list method :)
[18:54] <snap-l> Yeah, I suck
[18:54] <snap-l> All the good variables are keywords in Python. ;)
[18:54] <rick_h_> sorry, pet peeve
[18:55] <snap-l> Well, it's lazy on my part, because I know better.
[18:55] <snap-l> But it's the ol' "I'll fix it in post"
[18:55] <snap-l> and it never would have been fixed.
[19:01] <binbrain> snap-l: var1, var2, ..., varN aren't Python keywords, just use those :)
[19:17] <snap-l> a$ = 'hello'
[19:18] <snap-l> Yay, more rain
[19:19] <wolfger> high 60 tomorrow, high 83 Sunday 0_o
[19:26] <brousch> why do i even try to start new projects with django when flask is so friendly?
[19:27] <rick_h_> lol
[19:27] <rick_h_> because you want to fit in with all those cool django people
[19:27] <rick_h_> they have their own conferences man, djangocon
[19:27] <brousch> and a pony
[19:27] <brousch> i want a pony
[19:28] <wolfger> only if there's a dog riding the pony
[19:28] <brousch> that would be django with oracle backend
[19:28] <brousch> i guess that'd be a pony riding a dog
[19:28] <wolfger> that's good too
[19:29] <wolfger> I'm spoiled by a high degree of dog and pony shows here... I just can't settle for only one or the other. :-p
[19:29] <wolfger> That's why I got a great dane... a pony to go with my dogs XD
[19:30] <snap-l> wolfger: Well, hell, you've had some of the best salesmen jobs come through that organization
[19:30] <snap-l> "what we currently have is broken, so we're going to fix it more until everyone says that the old way was 10x better than the improvement".
[19:31] <wolfger> LOL
[19:31] <snap-l> (guy gets promoted, new guy shows up, repeat)
[19:31] <wolfger> and QQ
[19:31] <wolfger> I laugh because it's funny and cry because it's true
[19:32] <wolfger> so when's the next group outing?
[19:32] <wolfger> Everybody/anybody going to OLF?
[19:32] <brousch> 11.10
[19:33] <brousch> wolfger: pyohio, i expect
[19:33] <brousch> there's that detroit makerfaire too, same weekend
[19:33] <wolfger> I feel like I missed Penguicon
[19:35] <wolfger> mini makerfaire AA?
[19:36] <wolfger> crap, I'm out of town that weekend
[19:43] <snap-l> I'm planning on going to OLF and PyOhio
[19:44] <snap-l> https://identi.ca/notice/74644224 <- Grr
[19:48] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l used one of my favorite swearing combos
[19:49] <ColonelPanic001> I don't know why, but the word "chucklefuck" always makes me crack up
[19:49] <rick_h_> yea, PyOhio and OLF here
[19:54] <snap-l> IT's because it has the word chuckle in it. ;)
[20:11] <greg-g> snap-l: you and J should do a talk at OLF on your open-source/hardware lab equipment idea, even if it isn't ready
[20:12] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, we've talked about that.
[20:12] <snap-l> That's my goal. ;)
[20:13] <TeamXlink> Does anyone in this irc channel have knowledge about records (the audio kind not the book of records kind) or know someone that does?
[20:14] <snap-l> What do you want to kow?
[20:14] <snap-l> I speak a little turntable. ;)
[20:15] <TeamXlink> Well, I've got a lot of records and I'm unsure of their value.
[20:15] <snap-l> I'm not the person to ask. :)
[20:15] <TeamXlink> Most of them are the smaller ones.
[20:15] <TeamXlink> Oh, alright, thank you.
[20:15] <snap-l> Depends a lot on condition, rarity, etc.
[20:17] <snap-l> Plus there's different versions of the same recording, different grades of vinyl, different mastering (direct, OMR, Superdisc, etc)
[20:18] <_stink_> maybe hit up a few used record stores and see what they say?  that what i'd do if i had a stack of old books that i didn't want around, at least.
[20:18] <snap-l> Yeah, or check eBay completed auctions for what they're going for
[20:18] <TeamXlink> Alright, thank you.
[20:18] <snap-l> I know the prices on CDs a lot better than vinyl
[20:19] <snap-l> Just out of curiosity, what vinyl do you have?
[20:19] <TeamXlink> What do you mean?
[20:19] <TeamXlink> (I'm not sure the context of the word)
[20:20] <snap-l> What records do you have? :)
[20:20] <greg-g> snap-l: just making sure. We briefly talked about it today and I love the idea and I think you might get some interest at OLF
[20:20] <snap-l> The names of the artists, etc.
[20:20] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, I think it has some merit. :)
[20:20] <greg-g> (sorry, I'm delayed in replying right now)
[20:21] <brousch> i got flask up and running in a virtualmachine in the same time it takes me to create a django project and fix all the stuff in the settings file
[20:21] <TeamXlink> Alot of them are in the brown paper sleeving (looks like the kind paper grocery bags are made of.)
[20:21] <brousch> running under mod_wsgi with a vm
[20:21] <snap-l> TeamXlink: I think those might be 78s.
[20:22] <rick_h_> brousch: welcome to micro frameworks
[20:22] <snap-l> TeamXlink: They should say what speed to play them at on the center label
[20:22] <snap-l> 78rpm records are also very heavy compared with 45RPM or 33RPM records.
[20:24] <snap-l> TeamXlink: The pricing on those is also pretty widely varied. I've seen them at antique shops pretty much in bulk, save for the more popular artists.
[20:25] <snap-l> ie: If you have a Miles Davis 78RPm, that's going to be worth more than some obscure big band that few people remember.
[20:25] <TeamXlink> Alright.
[20:26] <TeamXlink> Theres a few that are just a blank label.
[20:26] <snap-l> Could you take some photos?
[20:26] <snap-l> You've piqued my interest.
[20:26] <TeamXlink> I'll try and find my camera.
[20:26] <TeamXlink> brb
[20:27] <brousch> how much is my alvin and the chipmuks sing about breakfast cereals 45 worth?
[20:30] <snap-l> brousch: A punch in the mouth. ;)
[20:30] <TeamXlink> I can't find my camera
[20:31] <snap-l> If they're truly white-label LPs, they may be test pressings or underground record distribution
[20:31] <snap-l> those can fetch some $$, depending
[20:31] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_label
[20:33] <TeamXlink> snap-l: Alright.
[20:33] <TeamXlink> Thank you very much for the help.
[20:33] <snap-l> Keep in mind, though,  with any collectible, it's all about what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller
[20:34] <TeamXlink> Yeah.
[20:34] <snap-l> so you might see someone pay $$ for something that they've been desperately searching for, but that doesn't mean it's valued at that.
[20:34] <TeamXlink> Yeah.
[20:35] <snap-l> Best bet would be to take a sampling, verify it with eBay (lookup what you can) and take it to a local shop, and see what they'll give you for it.
[20:35] <snap-l> Or, if you don't care too much about market parity, take the whole thing over there.
[20:35] <snap-l> The good ones will work with you
[20:35] <TeamXlink> market parity?
[20:35] <snap-l> What the value of the item is vs what the store will give you for it
[20:36] <TeamXlink> Oh.
[20:36] <snap-l> figure most stores will give you about 10-20% of market value
[20:36] <TeamXlink> Well, I probably won't sell them to a store but sell them myself.
[20:36] <snap-l> TeamXlink: Also keep in mind that vinyl degrades with each playing
[20:36] <TeamXlink> Yeah.
[20:36] <snap-l> so you'll want to play them on a good turntable
[20:36] <jrwren> rofl @ "most of them are the smaller ones"
[20:36] <TeamXlink> I don't have a record player.
[20:37] <jrwren> i assume you mean 45s
[20:37] <jrwren> but its funny to ehar 'em called smaller ones.
[20:37] <snap-l> TeamXlink: Borrow one, or go to a friends place
[20:37] <snap-l> or check with the record shop
[20:37] <TeamXlink> Yeah,
[20:38] <jrwren> sounds just like buying real estate.
[20:38] <TeamXlink> They have been in a crate for a long time, and some of them aren't even sleeves, so I think they might have the grooves on them worn down too much.
[20:38] <jrwren> value is entirely subjective :)
[20:38] <snap-l> jrwren: Well, if thy're white labels, they might be 7" singles.
[20:38] <jrwren> 7" doesn't spin at 45?
[20:38] <TeamXlink> Theres only 7 ones with blank labels.
[20:38] <snap-l> Depends. I seem to remember some 7" were 33RPM
[20:38] <TeamXlink> And on some of them one side is entirely smooth.
[20:39] <snap-l> TeamXlink: Yeah, you likely have some white labels.
[20:39] <jrwren> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_%28music%29 says usually 45rpm
[20:39] <snap-l> So you'll need to listen to them to figure out what they are.
[20:39] <TeamXlink> Darn.
[20:39] <snap-l> jrwren: Think Dance music, not traditional 45RPMs. :)
[20:40] <jrwren> luckily you can use shazam to find out what it is.
[20:40] <jrwren> trance/house?
[20:40] <jrwren> those are often 12" singles AFAIK
[20:40] <jrwren> but i'm with ya.
[20:40] <snap-l> Yeah, but not guaranteed.
[20:40] <snap-l> :)
[20:43] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TheTotallies.jpg
[20:45] <snap-l> The public’s view of vampires as “romantic creatures”
[20:45] <snap-l> couldn’t be more wrong – they only feign intimacy to lure in
[20:45] <snap-l> prey, and they only sparkle when they’re on fire.
[20:47] <jrwren> \m/
[20:47] <jrwren> make vampries scary again
[20:47] <brousch> were they ever scary?
[21:38] <rick_h_> you guys are nuts
[21:38] <rick_h_> ty for the kind RT words there brousch_ snap-l and mrs snap-l
[22:09] <snap-l> :)
[22:21] <snap-l> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3QqO8EXd-II/TU0uREhst0I/AAAAAAAA9EE/G4kMJDDOlKo/s1600/image001.jpg
[22:32] <jrwren> i'm mrs snap-l ?
[22:32] <snap-l> jrwren: No, my wife retweeted my praise of rick_h_
[23:19] <rick_h_> hah, oops, missed jrwren