[06:40] i cant connect to the Ubuntu One service, help? [07:55] morning all [09:45] ralsina: ping? [10:45] Is it holidays somewhere? [10:45] dammed… this is boring :P [10:46] mandel: want me to juggle for you? [10:47] Chipaca: aha, so there is someone ;) [10:47] mandel: about to go for coffee. want some? [10:47] hahaha [10:47] Chipaca: if I can download it ;) [10:48] mandel: i can probably get you some coffee if you're not on a small island somewhere :) [10:54] Chipaca: hahaha [10:55] Chipaca: I'm not in a small island, went o see my parents in Madrid, I needed to get out of Barcelona for some days [10:55] mandel: "small island" also includes great britain, btw [10:55] mandel: i know :) [10:56] Chipaca: oh, that is a small, don't tell the britons, they think they are big [10:57] mandel: you say "madrid", is it really "madrid", or is it "madrid" like uds-m was in "brussels"? [10:57] Chipaca: Madrid as in the place where people call it Madriz [10:58] I must say that is a very complicated question... [10:58] mandel: madrid empieza con "M" y termina con "T" [10:59] mandel: think about it [10:59] Chipaca: y ciudad? [10:59] * Chipaca goes for coffee [11:00] Chipaca: I'm lost... [11:02] mandel: ciudad con "C" [11:03] * Chipaca picks mandel off the floor [11:04] Chipaca: ok, you have been in England for far too long [11:04] Chipaca: by the way did they like the netbook? [11:04] mandel: yes, very much [11:04] * mandel is glad [11:04] mandel: it's been complaining about disk problems since day one, but doesn't seem to be broken yet [11:05] mandel: meanwhile i'm looking up what to replace the disc with, for when it dies :) [11:05] mandel: they're loving it; it works flawlessly (even if it's not fast, but it's so obviously puny they don't seem to expect it to voom much) [11:06] mandel: so, all-round win. thank you again. [11:06] Chipaca: no worries, I also have found another small nicer one that I can take there if you want to… only problem AZERTY :( [11:10] mandel: i'm a hardware junkie, and i had to give it all away before coming over, so I can't say "no". But, I don't really need it :) [11:11] Chipaca: same here… but I think you will take more advantage of it, at least if the other onew dies you have a decent one to use [11:11] lets say I'm going through a life style change ;) [11:13] mandel: as you wish, then. I can't complain either way :) [11:13] done then :) [11:16] woo, hardware! [11:39] morning ll [11:39] i was promised juggling ;) [11:40] <.< >,> [11:40] good evening! [11:40] hello ralsina [11:40] * ralsina is pretending to be in argentina today [11:41] Chipaca: I have the 701 with me here, will get it to you on June [11:46] hi duanedesign [12:01] * fagan did the same [12:01] (pretended to be on ar time today [12:01] ) [12:08] fagan: it's 8 AM dude ;-) [12:09] ralsina: yeah I didnt sleep till 7AM my time this morning [12:09] Chipaca: you are a hardware junkie? I have a couple of really special fixes for you ;-) [12:09] * ralsina has a HP Jornada 720 that can run linux from a CF card [12:09] * ralsina has a true first-gen corel netwinder [12:09] a netwinder! [12:09] o man [12:09] i wanted one of those so bad [12:10] not now, tough -- i'm going to be building something with a pandaboard soonish [12:10] a pandaboard, a pixel qi display, and a lenovo usb keyboard, a kilogram of batteries, and i should be golden [12:11] * ralsina has a libretto 50ct with Debian in it [12:13] i need to remember i have less space now than i used to [12:14] hahaha 1kg of batteries [12:14] that should keep it running for a week :) [12:15] Chipaca: how much is a Wii in London? My son has discovered them and will kill me if I don't get one [12:15] ralsina: its 100 pound now [12:15] ralsina: amazon.co.uk, deliver to millbank [12:15] but dont get one now [12:16] since the wii is going to be replaced very soon [12:17] fagan: MY KID IS 4 [12:17] oops, sorry for screaming :-) [12:17] fagan: I would get him a PS1 if I could get away with it ;-) [12:17] ralsina: hahah [12:17] * fagan has a PS2 you can use [12:18] nah, he wants to play those motion-control sport games [12:18] he beat me at fencing last night [12:19] ralsina: the PS2 was very advanced it has the eye toy if you ever saw that :) [12:19] I would get a PS2 for myself. But at least with the Wii you don't sit like a zombie all day [12:19] specially if you are4 and actually believe you have a sword :-) [12:20] ok, onto reviewing nessita's code... [12:20] yeah actually the price is after dropping so your in luck anyway [12:36] 100 pound, wii? [12:37] rye: im guessing because its 120 euro in ireland atm [12:38] what forgotten country am i living in? $240 or more in Ukraine... [12:39] rye: wow [12:44] rye: like U$S 300 in argentina, so... [12:44] mandel: ping, need reviews? [12:45] ralsina, ah, that's... weird? [12:45] ralsina: I had a python question, but I managed to fix it :) [12:46] rye: nah, it's the usual state of electronics in .ar ... it's cheaper to order SD cards from china than buying them in a store, for example. [12:46] mandel: ok, cool [12:47] ralsina, well, if there is a guaranteed delivery of stuff, then yeah, which is not the case for postal service and neither FedEx nor DHL can send anything electronic here [12:48] * fagan feels lucky [12:48] rye: I have ordered dozens of things from dealextreme.com (even little notepads), never lost anything :-) [12:49] ralsina, yeah, vds has done the same too. Were you ordering via regular post delivery? [12:49] yep. Takes a month. [12:49] and the sole idea of buying my pens in china makes me giggle like a little girl. [12:49] takes 5 days max in ireland [12:50] fagan: from china? [12:50] ralsina: never tried [12:50] fagan: go browse dealextreme.com for 10 minutes :-) [12:50] im just saying in general from the eu or us [12:51] buy a solar cockroach :-) [12:51] ha [12:57] Hey urbanape. |:) [12:57] howdy [12:57] You in the lobby, or not quite yet? [13:05] fagan: ping [13:07] ralsina: pong [13:08] fagan: are you a firefox user? Are you in the mood for some adventure? [13:08] ralsina: well im also on ff5 [13:08] ralsina: im on 11.10 already [13:08] fagan: cool, please try bindwood ;-) [13:09] and then try with firefox from https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages [13:09] I expect a report later today [13:09] cool will do [13:09] * ralsina feels soooo managerial [13:10] ill be able to check if it syncs on my desktop [13:10] fagan: cool, try it both ways [13:10] sync up and down, so to speak [13:10] yep cool [13:11] ralsina: just checked and the one in 11.10 is up to date more or less with that ppa so ill just use the repo version [13:12] fagan: ok [13:14] ralsina: broken for ff5 [13:14] fagan: crapola [13:14] ralsina: says not compatable in the addons thing [13:14] fagan: broken how? [13:14] ok, may be just a metadata thing. [13:15] I will take a look maybe tomorrow [13:15] sure im on the dailies I can check when ever you have a new version merged [13:15] ok [13:16] oh and while you are at the metadata you link canonical ltd to the bindwood page on lp [13:16] instead of canonical.com [13:18] fagan: file a bug? [13:19] ralsina: will do [13:43] Bug #788594 [13:43] Launchpad bug 788594 in bindwood "Wrong link in metadata (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788594 === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [13:49] hello #ubuntuone! [13:49] merhaba alecu! [13:50] ralsina, hey there, boss. How's turkey going for you? [13:51] I am sitting under a tree, 50m away from the bosphorus, drinking lipton mango ice tea, it's 22C with a sea breeze. [13:51] so... pretty nicely ;-) [13:51] ralsina, cool! [13:52] hola nessita [13:52] ralsina, I might be late for the standup, there's a bell ringing right now. [13:52] hola ralsina [13:52] fagan: thx for the bug report. Chris Coulson has a patch to make it work with FF 6 so it should work for 5 too [13:52] fagan: I will merge it soonish [13:54] nice ralsina [13:54] ff6 is already in dev thats pretty interesting [13:54] ff20 coming soon [13:55] well... coming in 6*15 weeks or so [13:55] ralsina: sooner than it would have been in their old release system [13:55] fagan: sure. This should convince people that release numbers are not important [13:56] * ralsina has never released a 1.0 :-) [13:56] Highest I ever got was 3.x but that software was 6 years old [13:57] ralsina: well its always good to release a 1.0 when you have like a 0.30..etc [13:57] software years > dog years [13:57] ralsina: answering your review question: "assertEquals is deprecated, so we try to change them to assertEqual every time we modify a test file (we are not doing it all at once because that will be a huge branch)." [13:58] alecu: did you have any chance to review my SD branch? [13:58] nessita: makes sense, thx [13:58] :-) [13:58] thisfred: My highest version number is like 0.16.2 [13:59] I like conservatism and modesty in versioning ;) [13:59] I will someday re-release the same version as 2.0 ;-) [13:59] or 2.16.0 ... [13:59] standup in 1' [14:00] in 5"! :-) [14:00] me === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:00] me [14:00] I wonder what version Silva is at now... [14:00] five or 1? [14:00] me [14:00] mandel: 5 seconds [14:00] me [14:00] ralsina, thisfred, alecu, dobey? [14:00] back! [14:00] me [14:00] * alecu is writing notes. [14:00] ralsina: ha! I lied, it was 2.x, and they're only at 2.3.1 now :) [14:01] nessita: ok [14:01] dobey: say me please? [14:01] mi [14:02] fagan: go! [14:02] DONE [14:02] * Tried out bindwood in ff5 [14:02] * Tried to figure a way of sharing a windows image or install with people so they can test out stuff [14:02] TODO [14:02] * Ask ralsina for something good to do [14:02] Blocked [14:02] * nope [14:02] nessita: go [14:02] DONE: QT windows control panel port, reviews, emails [14:02] TODO: QT windows control panel port, reviews, emails (you're not seeing double ;-)) [14:02] BLOCKED: nopes [14:02] NEXT: mandel [14:02] me [14:02] DONE: Finished reactor plugin for ubuntuone-dev-tools. Fixed CredentialsManagementTool issue in my branches and ensured that all of the work. [14:02] TODO: Ask dobey for a review, propose creds fix. Work on json-rpc [14:02] BLOCKED: no [14:02] ralsina, go go go [14:02] nessita: groundhog day? [14:02] DONE: natl holiday, couple of reviews, mgmt call, administrivia TODO: 1-on-1s with almost all of you (tmorrow!) more reviews, installer coding BLOCKED: nope. Thisfred, your turn! [14:03] DONE: reviews | fixed bug #781119 | filed and investigated bug #788206 TODO: add tests to ubuntuone-couch BLOCKED: no NEXT: dobey [14:03] Launchpad bug 781119 in ubuntuone-couch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Crashes if not logged into Ubuntu One (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781119 [14:03] Launchpad bug 788206 in ubuntuone-servers "Oauth authentication against couchdb.one.ubuntu.com fails (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788206 [14:03] λ DONE: working nightlies, reviews [14:03] λ TODO: magic [14:03] λ BLCK: None. [14:03] add "update bindwood with Chris Coulson's patch" to my TODO, I guess [14:04] ralsina: how do I install logmein? I cant find it :/ [14:04] you said install it a while back [14:04] dobey: can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/allow_txnamedpipes_reactor/+merge/61515 to see if that is what you meant ? [14:04] alecu: go! [14:04] DONE: national holiday. Dined with the web&mobile guys [14:04] TODO: review nessita's branch, work on qt-net [14:04] BLOCKED: no [14:04] fagan: go to logmein.com [14:04] dobey: it aint perfect, but does make it nicer… [14:04] ralsina: ahh ok [14:05] mandel: ok; can you also fix the conflict in your ubuntuone-client branch? :) [14:05] I am on 7% battery so I will take a shortish break in a random number of minutes [14:05] dobey: yes, on it next, I wanted to fix first the dev-tool sone :) [14:06] s/sone/one [14:06] but I will work late today (I am on almost ART timezone) [14:06] ok, cool, i'll look at it === karni_ is now known as karni [14:13] ralsina: ok installed [14:14] fagan: ok, now share it with alecu privately ;-) [14:14] ralsina: sec will do [14:14] mandel, ping [14:15] alecu: pong [14:15] mandel, were you able to upload the VM we discussed on Tue? [14:16] alecu: I believe that fagan cloned his [14:16] fagan: where is that vm? [14:17] mandel: on my desktop [14:17] in ireland [14:17] well I couldnt find a way to share the image correctly so im trying logmein [14:18] alecu: working? [14:18] ? [14:18] still loading [14:18] alecu: good? [14:20] brb, just dropped a cup of matecocido on the desk [14:20] lol [14:20] :) [14:20] mandel: I tried to put it up on u1 but it would have tied up my net connection for a week [14:21] mandel: and for a .torrent id have to use a tracker and it would be available to the public so that was a no go [14:21] mandel: so allowing remote access is the last step really [14:21] ok [14:22] but I can share my vm with anyone so its cool alecu controlled it there for a sec before he spilled his tea [14:25] mate != tea [14:28] back. [14:28] luckily my laptop got only slightly wet (?) [14:28] and my nexus s missed the action by about 2 cm [14:29] alecu: is it usable [14:29] fagan, yes, it seems to be usable so far. [14:29] nice [14:30] everything is installed fine since I did all my testing on it [14:30] I should probably set the paths but I got too lazy [14:35] fagan, ok. [14:35] fagan, can you show me how you run the tests? I have not worked on the windows codebase much. [14:35] alecu: sure [14:41] fagan, cool. And do you have any u1 branch around? [14:41] alecu: there probably is something in trash [14:48] fagan, my fingers keep forgetting that Alt-F4 closes my local browser, not your remote windows :P [14:49] alecu: hah [14:49] you can still get in with the old link [14:52] * fagan break [14:54] nessita: ping [14:54] mandel: pong [14:55] nessita: I'm nearly done with the credentials issue, but there is something that we did not consider. the exception class... [14:55] alecu: thats copied right click copies it to clipboard [14:55] nessita: we can make a subclass of the ubuntuone.credentials one, same as the credential management tool [14:56] mandel: let me do the context swicth on my brain [14:56] alecu: you cant run the tests on everything in that folder [14:56] fagan, thanks, but I know how to use the windows console :-) [14:56] nessita: sure :) [14:56] * nessita needs to stop singing out loud Avril Lavinge so she can hear her thoughts [14:56] alecu: I forgot myself the first time thats why I was saying :) [14:57] that seems like something that should go on the quotes page [14:57] fagan, the thing is that I'm having a hard time getting it out of the "LogMeIn" flash applet. [14:57] nessita: why'd ya have to and things so complicated I see the way your acting...something something frustrated :D [14:57] fagan: I'm lost inside!!! [14:57] alecu: you can pastebin in the vm [14:58] nessita: hahaha [14:58] mandel: the error is CredentialsError? [14:58] mandel: let me browse code to check when we raise that [14:58] nessita: sure [15:00] mandel, I'm running the u1-client tests on trunk, on fagan's VM, and I'm getting this: "ImportError: no module named credentials" [15:00] mandel: can't we define the same exception name inheriting from CredentialsError? [15:00] mandel, is this what you are discussing with nessita? [15:00] alecu: yeah, that was caused by our revert, mandel is working on landing that fixed [15:01] nessita: yes we can, is ugly but would work [15:01] mandel: so, under linux/credentials, we can have class CredentialsError(CredentialsError). And we get the price to the ugliest code ever [15:01] cool [15:01] mandel: weird; you made a plug-in that loads plug-ins; seems like too much abstraction. and i'm not exactly sure they need to be plug-ins in that way [15:02] dobey: we can merge all together in a single one, but adding new reactors this way would be very easy [15:03] dobey: but feel free to give a diff idea, merging it in a single plugin is not hard [15:04] mandel: i am actually thinking of not using plug-ins at all, at least, in this sense of the word plug-in [15:04] let me think a minute and i'll make a branch [15:04] dobey: sure [15:05] dobey: there is a funny error importing the reactors were you have to use __import__ which is ubber lame [15:05] ? [15:06] nessita, perhaps that can be better written as "from somemodule import CredentialsError as OriginalCredentialsError;class CredentialsError(OriginalCredentialsError)@ [15:06] nessita, perhaps that can be better written as "from somemodule import CredentialsError as OriginalCredentialsError;class CredentialsError(OriginalCredentialsError)" [15:06] alecu: agreed, 100% [15:09] dobey: alecu had the same issue, if you try to import and install the reactor from a function it brakes… at least the qtreactor and the txnamedpipes... [15:10] alecu: was that your issue? [15:10] mandel: what is the error exactly? [15:10] alecu: I did the import as the root exception ;) [15:10] i want to see traceback :) [15:11] dobey: let me write a small example [15:14] mandel, dobey: u1trial installs its own reactor, so if I moved the "from twisted.internet import reactor" at the top of the file I would get a "can't install a reactor twice" kind of error. [15:14] alecu: oh, I found a diff issue, the reactor thing is easy, we are working on u1trial to allow choosing the reactor in an easy way [15:14] alecu: that is the opposite of whatn mandel is saying the problem is though. he's saying you can't do the import *inside* a function [15:15] alecu: and this is before the reactor is installed (since it is the function that installs the reactor) [15:16] dobey: if you grab by branch and go to ubuntuone/devtool/plugins/reactors/txnamedpipes.py and do not use __import__ but from blah import it brakes [15:16] dobey: and I did not have a clue why… [15:19] ok, i'll make a branch with what i'm thinking and see. i think my idea is much simpler [15:22] dobey: sure, I tend to over eng [15:26] alecu: any news on the review? [15:27] nessita, I'm not working on it yet. Do you need me to? [15:27] alecu: kinda, I need to land that u1client branch since is a depends for my u1cp branch (I would like nightlies to be built by the time I request the review for u1cp) [15:28] ok, will switch to it in 5' [15:28] thanks [15:58] nessita, ping. [15:59] nessita, why enable_show_all_notifications in tools calls two different dbus methods (enable_... and disable_...)? [16:00] nessita, why not make two different methods in tools? I remember having this discussion with you earlier, and you supported having two different methods. [16:01] alecu: I know, but i was trying to be consistent with the whoe SyncDaemonTool implementation [16:01] whole* [16:01] nessita, yup, I'm seeing that. Ok, no prob. [16:02] alecu: for file_sync_enabled, and throttling, there is only one method at Sdtool level, (but 2 at DBus layer).... [16:02] * mandel eod [16:05] ralsina: ping re QT [16:10] nessita: pong [16:10] ralsina: if I have a QLabel, how can know what kind of markup I can set to it? in particular I need to set font color. [16:10] how can I* know? [16:11] ralsina: I'm using a similar markup than what I use in GTK and is not working, and my search-for-qt-doc fu is -1 [16:11] nessita: basic HTML +CSS2 should work [16:11] you can probably use the font tag [16:12] but let me find a reference [16:12] ralsina: I'm a web developer but I know nothing about ccs. A reference will be highly appreciated. [16:12] I don't even know how to type css :-P [16:12] nessita: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/richtext-html-subset.html [16:12] doh, mandel is gone [16:13] blah [16:13] that should cover most of what you need ;-) [16:13] ralsina: seems like it, thanks! [16:14] well my reactor stuff mostly works [16:14] ralsina: do I have to set a property/setting to a QLabel to show that formatting? I'm setting: [16:14] ✔ File Sync is up-to-date. [16:14] ralsina: and the UI does not show the ✔ at all [16:16] hum, seems like a color string will no work? [16:16] nessita: may be a font character coverage problem? [16:16] for example if you put a X instead of a check? [16:16] ralsina: will "green" work? [16:16] nessita: it should [16:17] or you can try #00ff00 [16:17] ralsina: nopes, an X will not work [16:17] trying html color now... [16:17] nessita: are you doing this on designer or in code? [16:17] ralsina: in code [16:17] nopes [16:18] ralsina: is there any setting I need to tweak on a QLabel to show rick text? [16:18] nessita: give me 30"... [16:18] ralsina: no prob, I'll keep digging [16:19] textFormat property [16:19] ralsina: where are you looking? (I would like to learn which are your sources) [16:19] nessita: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qlabel.html [16:19] what comes when you google qlabel :-) [16:20] ralsina: right, thing is I tend to google qt label [16:20] close enough! [16:20] nessita: nowadays I use google instead of looking at the help in assistant, actually :-) [16:21] ralsina: is there a help assistance? ;-) [16:21] nessita: start "assistant" (maybe assistant-qt4 [16:22] ralsina: is working now!!! [16:22] yay [16:22] what was the trick? [16:24] ralsina: you really wanna know? [16:24] you may fire me after you find out :-) [16:25] nessita: no I won't. I admire your persistence with Qt ;-) [16:26] ralsina: I was setting the text to the label before enriching it, because I receive the text from syncdaemon, and then on some cases I enrich it. So the setText was in between :-D [16:26] yeah, another shamefully case of PICNIC [16:26] nessita: not as bad an error as you think, since there is an "auto" setting that usually figures out you are using rich text ;-) [16:26] oh wait, yes pretty bad ;-) [16:27] hehehe [16:27] I'll get better [16:27] * nessita promises [16:27] I know you will :-D [16:29] nessita: ping [16:29] joshuahoover: pong [16:30] nessita: user on 11.04 getting "bad email token" after entering the verification code, any ideas? [16:30] joshuahoover: he's entering the wrong token... is he using the latest email he got? (he gets an email with a different code every time he tries) [16:31] joshuahoover: when a new token is issues, the former gets invalidated [16:32] nessita: ok, makes sense...i'll have him check to make sure he's using the latest email [16:32] joshuahoover: the email may take a few minutes to arrive [16:32] make him remove all his previous emails [16:33] (or something similar) [16:38] nessita, approved. [16:38] alecu: thanks! [16:42] nessita, ralsina: I think it should be better not to put html and colors in the labels, and adjust all those properties thru Qt css. [16:42] alecu: well, if you need like one word in bold, you can't do that via CSS [16:42] alecu: how can you do that for the file sync status label? [16:42] nessita, so, I'm thinking it should be better to have two qlabels, one next to the other [16:43] alecu: that label morphs into different strings with different texts and different icons and different colors [16:43] ralsina, not with the bolding, not. But if we start including font changes and color codes in translations strings, the translators will be angry. [16:43] alecu: we have at least 3 combinations [16:43] alecu: the two labels thing is even worse or translators [16:43] alecu: this is just like u1cp in GTK, and no, no markup for translators [16:43] ralsina: ^ [16:44] if it's the same as gtk and the translators coped so far... they won't notice much of a change [16:44] alecu: this is being made programatically, and the markup is prefixed according to SD state [16:44] ralsina, the left label is only used as an icon "./" or "X" or "flechita arriba y abajo" (transfer) [16:44] ralsina: but the translatable strings have no markup in this case (nor in GTK nor in QT) [16:45] nessita: even better [16:45] nessita, right, but then the colors will "atornillados" in our code. Using css makes it easier to write a suitable theme for it. [16:45]