[04:00] ochosi: when I middle click on the desktop, I get a menu list of all open workspaces and the apps open in them. Unfortunately, the apps are in dark grey on the default menu background [04:26] ochosi: thanks for doing the SRU. It is great when things work, isn't it? [04:33] need anything sponsored? [04:33] no, got stephane graber on it [04:34] cool, I'm in the middle of other stuff anyways :) [04:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/787977 [04:35] Ubuntu bug 787977 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu Natty) "doesn't support vertical panel layout" [Undecided,Fix committed] [04:35] yeah, I saw that one go in [04:35] micahg: thanks for keeping an eye out for us, though. [04:36] heh, I had a chat with robert_ancell this evening who is interested in our experiences with the lightdm API [04:37] Good. I would like to keep him somewhat informed so it doesn't get turned into a Unity only thing now. [04:42] charlie-tca: no, that would be as bad as GDM, I believe he wants it to be so everyone can make their own greeter [04:43] I know that is the intent, but it is easy to get caught up in the main distro, and leave the rest behind [04:43] If we are at least talking to him, he knows we need some help at times, too. [04:43] I pushed for lightdm at UDS, so he knew I planned to use it. [04:44] If I understand things though, he would prefer each group prepare their own backend for lightdm? [04:45] or is it frontend? [04:45] I don't know now. I have to rest for a few hours. [15:13] Good morning [15:34] hey charlie-tca [15:34] Hello, ochosi [15:35] about the workspaces-bug, thanks for reporting that [15:35] You are welcome [15:35] i never use the middle-click menu, so i didn't notice [15:35] I didn't know about it until my two-year grandson hit the stupid button [15:35] i'm not quite sure why it happens though, and the menu is a bit hard to track (since it's directly on the desktop) [15:36] i guess i'll have to dive into the xfdeskop code a bit [15:36] but, if it works right, we really could get rid of workspaces completely, right? [15:36] how do you mean? [15:37] If you can hit the middle button of the mouse to see the workspaces, add workspaces, delete workspaces, you don't need the workspace applet on the panel anymore [15:37] right [15:37] yeah, we could get rid of that if we want to [15:37] the functionality is in the menu as well [15:37] I see it as makeing the panel a little easier to use, then [15:37] (even if not as apparent as in the panel) [15:38] right, but I can still write a couple of articles that says you can do it that way, and there is always the wiki to add a page if we want to [15:38] true [15:38] I just don't want to hide workspaces completely from people [15:39] btw, i was thinking an article about vertical panels in xubuntu/xfce might be a nice thing [15:39] since the indicator-plugin patch will land in natty [15:39] That would be great if they work now [15:39] Vertical panels have always been a bit of a problem [15:39] at least if one enables "proposed" it should be ok [15:40] actually with the indicators working now there's only one panel-plugin that doesn't work as expected in a vertical panel and that's the session menu [15:40] I will grab the file and verify it then, and we can have it in natty updates within about 10 days [15:40] the rest is really great [15:40] yeah, sounds good [15:41] I never expected it to happen quite that fast. Usually we are on the bottom of the list for devs to do things. [15:41] don't think it was just because of us [15:41] but Mark__T responded really really fast, that's true [15:41] pretty great move i'd say [15:43] and to have sgraber to pick it up and finish the sru, too [15:43] yep [15:44] that was another reason to write the article, to be able to thank them somehow [15:44] but what we're really lacking is a platform for that [15:44] we are making gains in small steps with everybody these days [15:44] obviously a lot of website stuff is pending on the move to wordpress [15:44] Yeah, we have to just write the article and push it through news for now [15:44] yes, and IS did not make it any easier for us [15:45] yeah, that is a very frustrating situation [15:46] yup [15:46] all the way around, too [15:46] back at square one [15:47] i'm wondering whether moving to some other hosting might be easier [15:47] It would need funding, wouldn't it? [15:48] i assume so, or just some sabdfl [15:48] universities might be an option [15:48] also, Canonical owns the name [15:48] hmm [15:48] not sure the name-thing is a problem if we only switch hosting [15:50] They would have to give us permission to move the domain [15:52] That was a pot I preferred not to stir up [15:52] :) [16:19] mr_pouit: where/what are the seeds for Xubuntu cd's? I need to add them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseManifest [17:21] Well, it appears that Oneiric 64LiveCD install now has a "blue screen of death". [17:22] Gaining, huh? [17:22] Boots thru the "UBUNTU DOT DOT DOT" screen to a ubuntu backgound, then to a blue screen where dies [17:23] There was over 50% changed today [17:23] VBox, or hardware? [17:23] No, yesterday it mae it to a "OH no! Something bad has happened" screen. Today it didn't make it that far (or maybe it made it past that, can't tell) [17:24] liveUSB to hdd [17:24] oh, yeah, USB has issues today [17:25] Would it make a difference if I used unetbootin onstead of the ubuntu liveusb creater? [17:27] Hope they get the USB problem fixed before Xubuntu starts nightly builds, I only have about 3 cd's in the house. [17:29] you might try unetbootin. It worked for me in natty when usbcreator would not [17:29] will do [17:37] Well, unetbootin got it to the "Oh no!" screen. [17:37] There's always tomorrow.... [17:39] yup [17:39] They have 4 days to fix it :) [17:40] well.... technically. Sometimes we don't get USB to work for a few weeks [17:41] Looks like I'm gonna have to make a trip to Best Buy. [17:42] give it a day yet [17:43] I'll give it until the 31st (we are still on tack for that?) [17:43] um, no [17:43] It could be wednesday before we get an image [17:43] I have to go day by day right now [17:44] We don't expect an image before monday, at least, right now [17:44] 100 pack of CD's are only USD15 now...I really should get out more. [17:45] yup [17:45] seems high, though [17:45] I watch for them at $10.00 whenever possible [17:46] The sale ads come out Sunday :) [17:46] My limit is $15.00, when I really have to pay that much [17:47] Did the cd install work for you today? [17:47] Haven't tried [17:47] still updating natty to work bugs [17:48] My great 155kbps here [17:48] sneaker net? [17:48] two computers working it, drops it down to about 80 on each one [17:48] no, qwest dsl [17:51] I don't even have the zsyncs done yet. But they only been going for 3 hours, too [17:51] looks like we got server images today [17:56] Yesterday's DT stamp [17:57] lemme steal a cd from my daughter and I'll try that with live64 [18:00] hmm...got rid of the iso already, well, in another 10 minutes I try it. [18:05] We don't expect much until next week [18:06] I just want to see if it will even get to the Try/Install screen. [18:06] Like I said, I'm bored (and avoiding Honey-Do lists) [18:08] trying in VBox [18:10] Never used VBox (or any varitaion of the concept)...I don't even like dual boot systems. [18:11] I learned to like VBox, since I can easily install any image, screw things up, and then just reinstall to have a fresh start again. All without losing my real system [18:11] I should look at it then, maybe tomorrow, or the day after, or the day after that.... [18:12] That's a pretty blue, anyway ;-) [18:13] You got it VBox? [18:13] I though it was Kubuntu for a moment. [18:15] If I got it with USB and you got it with VBOX, I don't think I'm going to waste a CD. [18:15] Wonder if we should publicize this...make everyone know we are catching up to MS's Blue Screen of Death?