[04:00] <charlie-tca> ochosi: when I middle click on the desktop, I get a menu list of all open workspaces and the apps open in them. Unfortunately, the apps are in dark grey on the default menu background
[04:26] <charlie-tca> ochosi: thanks for doing the SRU. It is great when things work, isn't it?
[04:33] <micahg> need anything sponsored?
[04:33] <charlie-tca> no, got stephane graber on it
[04:34] <micahg> cool, I'm in the middle of other stuff anyways :)
[04:35] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/787977
[04:35] <micahg> yeah, I saw that one go in
[04:35] <charlie-tca> micahg: thanks for keeping an eye out for us, though.
[04:36] <micahg> heh, I had a chat with robert_ancell this evening who is interested in our experiences with the lightdm API
[04:37] <charlie-tca> Good. I would like to keep him somewhat informed so it doesn't get turned into a Unity only thing now.
[04:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, that would be as bad as GDM, I believe he wants it to be so everyone can make their own greeter
[04:43] <charlie-tca> I know that is the intent, but it is easy to get caught up in the main distro, and leave the rest behind
[04:43] <charlie-tca> If we are at least talking to him, he knows we need some help at times, too.
[04:43] <charlie-tca> I pushed for lightdm at UDS, so he knew I planned to use it.
[04:44] <charlie-tca> If I understand things though, he would prefer each group prepare their own backend for lightdm?
[04:45] <charlie-tca> or is it frontend?
[04:45] <charlie-tca> I don't know now. I have to rest for a few hours.
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:34] <ochosi> hey charlie-tca 
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi 
[15:35] <ochosi> about the workspaces-bug, thanks for reporting that
[15:35] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:35] <ochosi> i never use the middle-click menu, so i didn't notice
[15:35] <charlie-tca> I didn't know about it until my two-year grandson hit the stupid button
[15:35] <ochosi> i'm not quite sure why it happens though, and the menu is a bit hard to track (since it's directly on the desktop)
[15:36] <ochosi> i guess i'll have to dive into the xfdeskop code a bit
[15:36] <charlie-tca> but, if it works right, we really could get rid of workspaces completely, right?
[15:36] <ochosi> how do you mean?
[15:37] <charlie-tca> If you can hit the middle button of the mouse to see the workspaces, add workspaces, delete workspaces, you don't need the workspace applet on the panel anymore
[15:37] <ochosi> right
[15:37] <ochosi> yeah, we could get rid of that if we want to
[15:37] <ochosi> the functionality is in the menu as well
[15:37] <charlie-tca> I see it as makeing the panel a little easier to use, then
[15:37] <ochosi> (even if not as apparent as in the panel)
[15:38] <charlie-tca> right, but I can still write a couple of articles that says you can do it that way, and there is always the wiki to add a page if we want to
[15:38] <ochosi> true
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I just don't want to hide workspaces completely from people
[15:39] <ochosi> btw, i was thinking an article about vertical panels in xubuntu/xfce might be a nice thing
[15:39] <ochosi> since the indicator-plugin patch will land in natty
[15:39] <charlie-tca> That would be great if they work now
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Vertical panels have always been a bit of a problem
[15:39] <ochosi> at least if one enables "proposed" it should be ok
[15:40] <ochosi> actually with the indicators working now there's only one panel-plugin that doesn't work as expected in a vertical panel and that's the session menu
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I will grab the file and verify it then, and we can have it in natty updates within about 10 days
[15:40] <ochosi> the rest is really great
[15:40] <ochosi> yeah, sounds good
[15:41] <charlie-tca> I never expected it to happen quite that fast. Usually we are on the bottom of the list for devs to do things.
[15:41] <ochosi> don't think it was just because of us
[15:41] <ochosi> but Mark__T responded really really fast, that's true
[15:41] <ochosi> pretty great move i'd say
[15:43] <charlie-tca> and to have sgraber to pick it up and finish the sru, too
[15:43] <ochosi> yep
[15:44] <ochosi> that was another reason to write the article, to be able to thank them somehow
[15:44] <ochosi> but what we're really lacking is a platform for that
[15:44] <charlie-tca> we are making gains in small steps with everybody these days
[15:44] <ochosi> obviously a lot of website stuff is pending on the move to wordpress
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Yeah, we have to just write the article and push it through news for now
[15:44] <charlie-tca> yes, and IS did not make it any easier for us
[15:45] <ochosi> yeah, that is a very frustrating situation
[15:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:46] <charlie-tca> all the way around, too
[15:46] <ochosi> back at square one
[15:47] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether moving to some other hosting might be easier
[15:47] <charlie-tca> It would need funding, wouldn't it?
[15:48] <ochosi> i assume so, or just some sabdfl
[15:48] <ochosi> universities might be an option
[15:48] <charlie-tca> also, Canonical owns the name
[15:48] <ochosi> hmm
[15:48] <ochosi> not sure the name-thing is a problem if we only switch hosting
[15:50] <charlie-tca> They would have to give us permission to move the domain
[15:52] <charlie-tca> That was a pot I preferred not to stir up
[15:52] <ochosi> :)
[16:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: where/what are the seeds for Xubuntu cd's? I need to add them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseManifest
[17:21] <drc> Well, it appears that Oneiric 64LiveCD install now has a "blue screen of death".
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Gaining, huh?
[17:22] <drc> Boots thru the "UBUNTU DOT DOT DOT" screen to a ubuntu backgound, then to a blue screen where dies
[17:23] <charlie-tca> There was over 50% changed today
[17:23] <charlie-tca> VBox, or hardware?
[17:23] <drc> No, yesterday it mae it to a "OH no! Something bad has happened" screen. Today it didn't make it that far (or maybe it made it past that, can't tell)
[17:24] <drc> liveUSB to hdd
[17:24] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, USB has issues today
[17:25] <drc> Would it make a difference if I used unetbootin onstead of the ubuntu liveusb creater?
[17:27] <drc> Hope they get the USB problem fixed before Xubuntu starts nightly builds, I only have about 3 cd's in the house.
[17:29] <charlie-tca> you might try unetbootin. It worked for me in natty when usbcreator would not
[17:29] <drc> will do
[17:37] <drc> Well, unetbootin got it to the "Oh no!" screen.
[17:37] <drc> There's always tomorrow....
[17:39] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:39] <drc> They have 4 days to fix it :)
[17:40] <charlie-tca> well.... technically. Sometimes we don't get USB to work for a few weeks
[17:41] <drc> Looks like I'm gonna have to make a trip to Best Buy.
[17:42] <charlie-tca> give it a day yet
[17:43] <drc> I'll give it until the 31st (we are still on tack for that?)
[17:43] <charlie-tca> um, no
[17:43] <charlie-tca> It could be wednesday before we get an image
[17:43] <charlie-tca> I have to go day by day right now
[17:44] <charlie-tca> We don't expect an image before monday, at least, right now
[17:44] <drc> 100 pack of CD's are only USD15 now...I really should get out more.
[17:45] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:45] <charlie-tca> seems high, though
[17:45] <charlie-tca> I watch for them at $10.00 whenever possible
[17:46] <drc> The sale ads come out Sunday :)
[17:46] <charlie-tca> My limit is $15.00, when I really have to pay that much
[17:47] <drc> Did the cd install work for you today?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Haven't tried
[17:47] <charlie-tca> still updating natty to work bugs
[17:48] <charlie-tca> My great 155kbps here
[17:48] <drc> sneaker net?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> two computers working it, drops it down to about 80 on each one
[17:48] <charlie-tca> no, qwest dsl
[17:51] <charlie-tca> I don't even have the zsyncs done yet. But they only been going for 3 hours, too
[17:51] <charlie-tca> looks like we got server images today
[17:56] <drc> Yesterday's DT stamp
[17:57] <drc> lemme steal a cd from my daughter and I'll try that with live64
[18:00] <drc> hmm...got rid of the iso already, well, in another 10 minutes I try it.
[18:05] <charlie-tca> We don't expect much until next week
[18:06] <drc> I just want to see if it will even get to the Try/Install screen.
[18:06] <drc> Like I said, I'm bored (and avoiding Honey-Do lists)
[18:08] <charlie-tca> trying in VBox
[18:10] <drc> Never used VBox (or any varitaion of the concept)...I don't even like dual boot systems.
[18:11] <charlie-tca> I learned to like VBox, since I can easily install any image, screw things up, and then just reinstall to have a fresh start again. All without losing my real system
[18:11] <drc> I should look at it then, maybe tomorrow, or the day after, or the day after that....
[18:12] <charlie-tca> That's a pretty blue, anyway ;-)
[18:13] <drc> You got it VBox?
[18:13] <drc> I though it was Kubuntu for a moment.
[18:15] <drc> If I got it with USB and you got it with VBOX, I don't think I'm going to waste a CD.
[18:15] <drc> Wonder if we should publicize this...make everyone know we are catching up to MS's Blue Screen of Death?