[00:43] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: ping
[01:29] <ScottK> ~ninjas | KDE 4.6.3 uploaded to Debian.  Time to get merging!
[01:30] <ScottK> !ninjas | KDE 4.6.3 uploaded to Debian. Time to get merging!
[01:57] <vorian> merging ftw
[02:26] <valorie> weeeeeee!
[02:27] <valorie> oh, I'm already running 4.6.3
[02:27] <valorie> hmmm
[02:27] <valorie> but merged from debian in nice
[02:39] <ScottK> We need to get that done so we can more on to 4.7 beta 1.
[05:27] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: pong
[07:04] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: you still about?
[07:04] <DarkwingDuck> NM, wife calling... heading to bed, will catch ya tomorrow.
[07:06] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: In RE to bug 788908 this is just another reason to use Muon.
[08:52] <apachelogger> my head hurts
[08:52] <Tm_T> mine too
[08:52] <Tm_T> must be in genes then ^
[08:53] <KRF> apachelogger: did you fix the fcking amarok bug. *the* bug?
[08:53] <apachelogger> no
[08:53] <apachelogger> I got wasted
[08:53] <apachelogger> debfx is working on it
[08:54] <valorie> THE bug?
[08:55] <apachelogger> debfx: why is the natty sru for pkg-kde-tools invalid btw?
[08:57] <debfx> apachelogger: I'll just disable scour in the amarok package for natty
[08:58] <apachelogger> debfx: how does one do that?
[08:59] <debfx> override_dh_scour: # stop tampering with my svgs!
[08:59] <apachelogger> oh
[08:59] <apachelogger> ha!
[08:59] <apachelogger> indeed dh7 makes this easy ^^
[09:00] <apachelogger> debfx: what do we do about oneiric?
[09:00] <apachelogger> I'd like to have it completely out of pkg-kde-tools there
[09:00] <debfx> I've removed scour already from pkg-kde-tools
[09:00] <apachelogger> opt-in per package using --with scour
[09:01] <apachelogger> debfx: great
[09:01] <apachelogger> debfx++
[09:01]  * apachelogger loosk for some drug again hungoverness
[09:08] <c2tarun> my kubuntu is getting slower when I am running my laptop on battery power. Can anyone please help me enhancing my kubuntu's performance? I tried and asked on #kubuntu but did not find an answer
[09:09] <apachelogger> probably your graphics card is going into ultra powersave mode, so desktop effects become slower
[09:10] <valorie> isn't there a key-combo to just turn of effects?
[09:10] <c2tarun> apachelogger: hmm.... that might be possible, any idea how to fix it?
[09:10] <valorie> off
[09:10] <apachelogger> does anyone know if the utouch team has an irc chan?
[09:10] <valorie> that would be the simple way
[09:11] <apachelogger> valorie: shift alt f12 IIIRC
[09:11] <apachelogger> c2tarun: change your power profile to switch off desktop effects
[09:11] <valorie> so until you figure it out, c2tarun, just try that
[09:11] <KRF> debfx++
[09:12] <c2tarun> apachelogger: considerable improvement :) thanks
[09:12] <KRF> c2tarun: you can configure powerdevil (power management) to do that automatically when on battery
[09:13] <KRF> c2tarun: click on the battery systray icon, then settings
[09:13] <c2tarun> KRF: I am doing that right now :)
[10:33] <debfx> I need more RAM, building amarok on a tmpfs causes too much swapping
[10:42] <apachelogger> debfx: lp:kubuntu-low-fat-settings :P
[10:43] <debfx> apachelogger: I think killall firefox is 1000% more efficient ;)
[10:43] <apachelogger> that is because you should be using w3m
[10:47] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-low-fat-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110527094700-tx64pvyc8lqzrya7 * debian/ (control copyright) set lp project data
[10:58] <debfx> apachelogger: is there a way to tell kde to flush all icon/pixmap caches?
[10:58] <debfx> except manually deleting those cache files
[10:59] <apachelogger> no
[10:59] <debfx> because after updating amarok with the fixed svg it's still broken
[10:59] <apachelogger> silly amarok
[11:32] <ryrych> good afternoon
[11:33] <ryrych> apachelogger: Harald, I’ve just got write access to phonon repo. Thank you! I don’t let you down. :)
[11:33] <ryrych> anyway I’ve commited my changes; will them be automatically deployed?
[12:17] <apachelogger> ryrych: cool, yeah, deployment is automatic
[12:17] <apachelogger> and almost instantly too ;)
[12:20] <apachelogger> ryrych: btw, there is #phonon ;)
[12:50] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Sure.
[12:50] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Also your away message messaging me when I ping you in the channel is really annoying.
[12:59] <ryanakca> Hurray, kdemultimedia-dev >= 4.5 in Debian means I can finally upload bangarang 2.0 and get it sync'd.
[12:59] <ScottK> Yep.
[12:59] <ScottK> Get merging folks.
[13:24] <jussi> !info bangarang
[13:24] <jussi> ooh, I didnt know about this...
[13:24] <ryanakca> jussi: It'll be 2.0.1 even :)
[13:25] <jussi> and I hate my PC currently
[13:25] <jussi> Natty, + HP5320m + display port + lenovo screen == no love.
[13:27] <jussi> where are the config files for setting screens up and how do I kill them? 
[13:27] <jussi> I plug in, it asks me to configure, I click yes, then everything goes black :(
[13:27] <ryanakca> jussi: I use arandr.
[13:27] <jussi> arandr?
[13:27] <ryanakca> !info arandr
[13:28]  * jussi installs
[13:28] <ryanakca> That doesn't answer your question (regarding config files), but then, I don't know its answer either :)
[13:29] <jussi> what the heck is eDP1? 
[13:30] <jussi> I dont have 3 screens... :/
[13:30]  * jussi is confused.
[13:31] <jussi> hrm, I disabled all except DP1, and got: 
[13:31] <jussi> XRandR failed:
[13:31] <jussi> XRandR returned error code 1: xrandr: cannot find crtc for output DP1
[13:32]  * ryanakca joins the confusion.
[13:37] <yofel> jussi: mind adding me to !ninjas ?
[13:37] <jussi> yofel: yes, you definately dont get onto that list :P :P :P
[13:38]  * yofel throws a blue gear after jussi
[13:38] <jussi> yofel: you have to bribe me first... :P 
[13:38] <jussi> fix my PC :D
[13:39] <jussi> yofel: nah, Im not that mean
[13:39] <jussi> (its done already)
[13:39] <jussi> !ninjas > yofel
[13:39] <yofel> I didn't even try to use my DP here yet, no cable for it
[13:39] <yofel> and they're expensive :/
[13:40] <yofel> thanks! :D
[13:40] <jussi> yofel: I have a choice of DP or VGA... I chose to get a DP cable
[13:40]  * ryanakca sighs while his browser hangs at "Connecting to launchpad.net"
[13:41] <jussi> ryanakca: hehe, what else did you explect
[13:41] <yofel> well, my thinkpad has a displayport, but my monitors have either HDMI/DVI/VGA, and all cables I find for that are ~30€ or above :(
[13:41]  * jussi sighs at 1024x768 on a Full HD 24"
[13:41] <yofel> ouch
[13:42] <jussi> yofel: in which country are you located? 
[13:42] <yofel> germany
[13:44] <jussi> yofel: get one from deal extreme: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/displayport-dp-male-to-hdmi-female-adapter-cable-black-19cm-30610
[13:44] <jussi> delivery is like 2$
[13:45] <yofel> thanks, that looks reasonable :)
[13:46] <jussi> yofel: We in the office here use that site regularly - they are pretty good.
[13:46] <jussi> have to be careful with quality as they are china direct, but cables are generally pretty good. 
[13:59] <yofel> btw, *who* is merging *what* ? (or where do we keep track of that?)
[14:00] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon-qml-video.mp4 qml \o/
[14:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: congratulations :)
[15:05] <debfx> JontheEchidna: qapt has passed new :)
[15:08] <jussi> :)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hey all \o
[15:19] <shadeslayer> do we have a merging page?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> alright, i'm taking up kdelibs if no one has started yet
[15:52] <yofel> since we don't seem to have one I would see if someone put his name on MOM
[15:59] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:19] <ryanakca> Would someone be so kind as to fireup {k,g}obby and connect to gobby.ubuntu.com please? (I'm trying to figure out why kobby isn't sending text, only reading).
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: yeah one sec :)
[16:21] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Thanks :)
[16:22] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: oh .. it just crashed
[16:22] <ryanakca> Which, kobby or gobby?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> kobby
[16:22] <shadeslayer> can't even start it :P
[16:23] <ryanakca> dpkg -l | grep libinfinity
[16:23] <ryanakca> Do you have -0.5 or -0.4 ?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> 1.0~beta5-3
[16:23] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:23] <ryanakca> No, libinfinity :)
[16:23] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: libinfinity-0.4-0
[16:24] <ryanakca> Hmm. You wouldn't happen to also have gobby with you, would you? ;)
[16:25] <shadeslayer> nope 
[16:25] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: should i install that too?
[16:26] <ryanakca> No, no need, I just realised that I could run gobby and kobby simultaneously for my testing. You can if you want though :)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:27] <shadeslayer> lemme try something ^_^
[16:28] <shadeslayer> oh btw i have a couple of questions about debian/rules in kde4libs , anyone around?
[16:30]  * yofel wonders what he should merge
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: okay, i compiled kobby from git
[16:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: help me with kde4libs :P
[16:30] <ryanakca> Well, at least kobby can connect to gobby.u.c; gobby hangs at 'Connecting to gobby.ubuntu.com...'
[16:30] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:30] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: yeah, i'm connected
[16:31] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Alright, see the 'look-its-a-gobby-session' file?
[16:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's your question btw.? ^^
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:31] <ryanakca> Do you see me appending anything to the bottom of it? (Beyond the ironic comment that Kobby works)
[16:31] <yofel> hm... I don't know scratch about CDBS -.-
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: we have a bunch of vars we export in debian/rules currently
[16:31] <shadeslayer> i'm trying to figure out which ones we need and which ones we can remove
[16:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, i've been spoiled by dh
[16:32] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: are you adding something right now?
[16:32] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: I might (or might not be able to help) with the CDBS rules
[16:32] <ryanakca> Yes
[16:32] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: nothing apart from the comment :P
[16:32] <yofel> me too, or rather dh7 was state of the art when I started to learn packaging
[16:32] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:33] <shadeslayer> i'll show you guys a diff, one sec
[16:33] <ryanakca> Are you able to add anything?
[16:33]  * yofel needs to read the dhmk manual again
[16:33] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613805/
[16:33] <shadeslayer> oh derp
[16:33] <shadeslayer> that doesn
[16:33] <shadeslayer> that won't help
[16:34] <yofel> that's the MOM diff?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613806/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/613807
[16:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: no, thats just a diff of the control file
[16:35] <shadeslayer> the first file is our old file, and the second pastebin is the new one + our old vars
[16:36] <shadeslayer> i'm not entirely sure if we need lines 5, 6 and 7
[16:36] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: DEB_DBG_PACKAGE_ALL can become an override for dh_strip, 'override_dh_strip:\n\tdh_strip --dbg-package=kdelibs5-dbg' methinks.
[16:37] <shadeslayer> right, i've removed that
[16:37] <ryanakca> Similarly for DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ALL
[16:37] <yofel> DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_ALL too I think
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: what do i do about binary-install/kdelibs5-data
[16:38] <yofel> hm, that's CDBS syntax I think :/
[16:39] <ryanakca> just a sec,
[16:39] <yofel> meh, dhmk not having the %: target is confusing
[16:41]  * yofel wonders why they couldn't have simpyfied that override_dh_auto_configure command...
[16:41] <yofel> *simplyfied
[16:41] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/shadeslayer1 is what our override_dh_auto_install would be, methinks.
[16:42] <ryanakca> in fact, you could probably just drop the ifeq and the endif line.
[16:43] <ryanakca> Oh, and you'll want to include the lines for launchpad.png and the 'ln -s kde...' lines in that blurb I think
[16:43] <debfx> those seem to belong to dh_install
[16:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:44] <debfx> ryanakca: you can't drop the ifeq, otherwise the package FTBFS when arch-all aren't built
[16:45] <ryanakca> debfx: Ah, alright
[16:45] <ryanakca> debfx: Does dh_install create the subdirectories if they don't exist?
[16:46] <debfx> or maybe you could since you don't assume that debian/kdelibs5-data exists
[16:46] <debfx> ryanakca: which subdirectories?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> right, i was going to put it under auto install, but just wasn't quite sure of it
[16:47] <ryanakca> debfx: install -D a b/c/d/e, isn't that like mkdir -p a/b/c/d && cp a a/b/c/d/e ?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> debfx: could you explain a bit more as to why the ifenq is needed?
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> debfx: muon uploaded
[16:48] <debfx> shadeslayer: it isn't actually needed but it's cleaner since arch-all packages aren't always built
[16:49] <debfx> ryanakca: yes it is
[16:49] <ryanakca> debfx: sorry, s/subdirectories/parent directories/, my bad :)
[16:50] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Yes I can (see your comment).
[16:50] <ScottK> Anyone working on merges?
[16:51] <ryanakca> I'm guessing you still can't see the one I wrote below yours?
[16:51] <ScottK> debfx: Would you do pkg-kde-tools?
[16:51] <debfx> JontheEchidna: great, now we can update the seeds
[16:52] <debfx> ScottK: can do
[16:52] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:52] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I guess we want muon, muon-installer and muon-notifier?
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> -updater, too
[16:53] <yofel> muon too?
[16:53] <yofel> or do you mean on the dvd?
[16:53] <debfx> notifier pulls in updater
[16:54] <debfx> yofel: yes, on the cd
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> right
[16:54] <yofel> why do we need muon on the cd? 
[16:54] <yofel> muon-installer yes, but muon?
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> oh, I don't think we had decided on whether or not to put muon itself on the CD
[16:54] <debfx> afaik muon sc can't install arbitrary packages
[16:55] <yofel> ah true
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> I would highly recommend it for its ability to install all packages rather than just ones considered "apps"
[16:55] <yofel> yeah, nvm
[16:55] <debfx> the ubuntu sc has a System category where you can install all packages
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> dog needs exercise and is really bugging me
[17:00] <shadeslayer> debfx: ah
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: i can't see your text
[17:01]  * yofel goes merging kdetoys
[17:01] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Alright, I'll ask infinote's upstream (who provided patches porting kobby/libqinfinity to libinfinity-0.5) about it.
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[17:02] <ryanakca> Thanks for the help :)
[17:02] <shadeslayer> thanks to you too :)
[17:04] <debfx> ScottK, JontheEchidna: could one of you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.oneiric/+merge/62701
[17:06] <ScottK> Looking.
[17:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: if you have time after that, could you also look at my merge requests for choqok and avogadro?
[17:11] <ScottK> debfx: Done.  I also added kpackagekit onto the dvd so we really do swap muon and kpackagekit.
[17:11] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> bug 788772 and bug 787458
[17:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Perhaps later.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> oh sure
[17:12] <debfx> ScottK: in that case we need to disable the kpackagekit update checking
[17:12] <debfx> but do we really want to support 2 package managers?
[17:12] <ScottK> debfx: Good point.  
[17:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: so in dh_strip :$(overridden_command) --dbg-package=kdelibs5-dbg -V -u-c0
[17:16] <shadeslayer> oh 
[17:16] <yofel> why in dh_strip o.O?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: i mean in override_dh_makeshlibs: do i add -V -u ?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> bad copy paste xD
[17:16] <yofel> probably, if we added that
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: and i keep the extra var for libkdecore5?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> (line 15)
[17:18] <yofel> I'm not sure how that works...
[17:20] <shadeslayer> -DKDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEXT="Debian packages" \ << Do we really want to keep that?
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> don't we override that in pkg-kde-tools?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: new debian/rules from upstream
[17:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk << that would override that?
[17:22] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I think those cmake flags have been dropped from dhmk
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> the ones in ./datalib/kde4_flags?
[17:22] <ScottK> Should probably wait until debfx gets done with his pkg-kde-tools merge ....
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> still seems to be in use as of 0.12.3: ./qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk:DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += $(DEB_CMAKE_KDE4_FLAGS) $(DEB_CMAKE_CUSTOM_FLAGS)
[17:26] <ScottK> Right, but 0.14 just got uploaded to Debian.
[17:26] <debfx> JontheEchidna: dhmk is in qt-kde-team/2
[17:26] <shadeslayer> debfx: quick question, do lines 67 and 68 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/613807/ subsitute lines 22-29 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/613806/
[17:26] <shadeslayer> more specifically the DEB_KDE43_LIBRARY_PACKAGES var
[17:28] <yofel> erm, why KDE43 ? maybe make that KDE4 if you're editing it already
[17:29] <shadeslayer> it was like that when i opened it :P
[17:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: something i was wondering too
[17:29] <yofel> I know, but we're not on 4.3
[17:29] <debfx> shadeslayer: why don't you look at the pre-dhmk debian package and see if we even diverged from them
[17:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: thats from our packaging xD
[17:29] <shadeslayer> debfx: oh thanks!
[17:30] <yofel> I know :P, so it's a good chance to make it a bit more sane :P
[17:34] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: sorry Scott, should i disable that one?
[17:34] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Yes.  Please.
[17:35] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: done :)
[17:35] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:36] <DarkwingDuck> i do like the screen detatched auto away scipt though
[17:36] <DarkwingDuck> makes things nice
[17:39] <shadeslayer> jussi: around?
[17:39] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: you pinged me?
[17:40] <maco> Riddell: spelling is sabbatical
[17:40] <jussi> shadeslayer: no. :P
[17:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:40] <shadeslayer> !info libdlrestrictions-dev oneiric 
[17:40] <shadeslayer> jussi: ^^ please fix 
[17:40] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Autoaway is great.  PM'ing me to tell me you're away, not so much.
[17:40] <jussi> oh dammit, yeah, ok
[17:41] <jussi> shadeslayer: hows myblink ppa going? 
[17:41] <shadeslayer> not so good right now ...
[17:41] <jussi> :(
[17:41] <shadeslayer> jussi: i'll get it done, just not right now 
[17:42] <Riddell> maco: you know when I type something into google and it corrects it, is that really you? :)
[17:42] <maco> Riddell: actually in this case i double-checked with google. i knew you were wrong, just wasn't sure what was right
[17:43] <shadeslayer> oh ... hmm
[17:43] <shadeslayer> debfx: any ETA on the pkg-kde-tools merge?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> seems i need libdlrestrictions-dev which is in pkg-kde-tools xD
[17:49] <debfx> shadeslayer: uploaded, though no promises that it actually works
[17:53] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[17:54] <yofel> hm, how should we do the merges: file merge bugs or just put the merge into bzr as we didn't upload 4.6.3 to oneiric yet?
[17:55] <ScottK> Probably the latter.
[17:55] <ScottK> I think either way works though.
[17:56] <ScottK> FYI, oxygen-icons should not be updated to 4.6.3.
[17:56] <yofel> well, latter is less work :P
[17:56] <yofel> ScottK: I know, we have 4.6.3really4.6.2 in the PPA
[17:56] <yofel> icon mess :/
[17:56] <ScottK> We won't put that in the archive.
[17:59] <yofel> I'll merge that and remove the 4.6.3 changelog in the process then
[17:59] <bambee> evening
[18:00] <yofel> hey bambee
[18:00] <yofel> merge time ;)
[18:00] <bambee> yo!
[18:00] <bambee> ;)
[18:04] <lucidfox> Why does Kubuntu Natty think my netbook's battery is missing -_-
[18:04] <shadeslayer> lucidfox: missing or empty?
[18:05] <lucidfox> it says missing
[18:05] <lucidfox> when it's clearly plugged and providing power :)
[18:05] <yofel> what does 'upower --dump' say? (pastebin)
[18:06] <bambee> yofel: there is no todo list for that ? (in order to avoid duplicate work)
[18:06] <yofel> bambee: put your name on MOM
[18:06] <bambee> ohh :)
[18:06] <yofel> (the merges link in /topic)
[18:06] <yofel> there's an invisible text field on the page for every package
[18:07] <bambee> okay thanks for the tip ;)
[18:07] <lucidfox> upower was not installed
[18:07]  * lucidfox installs
[18:08] <debfx> phonon-backend-* and networkmanagement need to be merged as well
[18:08] <shadeslayer> do we need solid to depend on udev ? .. : +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, udev [linux-any], hal [!linux-any]
[18:09] <Quintasan> If we want it to actually do something then I think we do
[18:09] <Quintasan> \o btw
[18:09] <yofel> depends, the battery applet should depend on upower from what we just discussed
[18:10] <yofel> but I think solid depending on udev sounds right
[18:10] <yofel> udisks should be somewhere too
[18:10] <shadeslayer> udisks is a recommend
[18:10] <yofel> upower too, but if it's missing and the applet doesn't do a thing that's not really a recommends...
[18:11] <debfx> ScottK: pkg-kde-tools is in binary new
[18:11] <ScottK> Cool.  I'll have a look.
[18:11] <yofel> hm, kdebase-workspace-bin depends on upower...
[18:12] <yofel> lucidfox: upower really wasn't installed?
[18:13] <yofel> anyway, dinner time, brb
[18:13] <lucidfox> it works now after manually installing upower and rebooting
[18:13] <lucidfox> shows battery charge %
[18:14] <lucidfox> but yes, for some reason it didn't get installed when I ran the 11.04 clean CD install
[18:14] <yofel> kdebase-workspace-bin is installed?
[18:15] <yofel> hm, kubuntu-netbook doesn't depend on kdebase-workspace-bin
[18:15] <ScottK> debfx: Accepted.  Thanks.
[18:16] <lucidfox> sikon@maia-laptop:~$ dpkg -s kdebase-workspace-bin|grep Status
[18:16] <lucidfox> Status: install ok installed
[18:16] <lucidfox> sikon@maia-laptop:~$ dpkg -s kdebase-workspace-bin|grep upower
[18:16] <lucidfox> [nothing]
[18:16] <ScottK> kubuntu-netbook is just a transitional package to pull in kubuntu-desktop these days anyway.
[18:17] <yofel> lucidfox: what version?
[18:17] <lucidfox> ...waitaminute
[18:17] <ScottK> It's runtime, not workspace.
[18:17] <lucidfox> I'm running maverick
[18:17] <lucidfox> silly me :)
[18:17] <ScottK> That would explain it.
[18:17] <yofel> ah, well, fixed in natty ^^
[18:17] <lucidfox> note to self, upgrade ASAP
[18:17] <ScottK> In maverick you want hal.
[18:18] <lucidfox> well, it did work with upower
[18:18] <yofel> maverick with 4.6?
[18:18] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:18] <lucidfox> maverick with 4.5, installed upower manually
[18:18] <ScottK> Yes, that would probably work it it's 4.6 from the PPA.
[18:18] <ScottK> It's just coincidental then.  4.5 doesn't support upower.
[18:18] <ScottK> Hal finally woke up or something.
[18:18] <yofel> the reboot fixed it then I guess ^^
[18:19] <debfx> ScottK: I suppose you can't promote binary packages to main?
[18:19] <bambee> I just need to merge debian rules with our rules and upload the package into oneiric archives ?
[18:19] <lucidfox> I'll upgrade tomorrow... time to sleep
[18:19]  * bambee is a bit confused
[18:19] <ScottK> debfx: I can override stuff in New, but not after it's in the archive.
[18:19] <ScottK> debfx: What needs doing?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> bambee: no, more merging in terms of install files, changelogs ...
[18:20] <shadeslayer> everything in debian/ :P
[18:20] <bambee> when I say "debian rules" I mean everything in the debian directory of course :)
[18:21] <debfx> ScottK: akonadi-backend-mysql, muon-installer and qapt-deb-installer
[18:21] <bambee> which is confusing with debian/rules o_O
[18:21] <yofel> well, with quilt we only need to merge debian/ right
[18:21] <shadeslayer> bambee: i thought you meant just debian/rules
[18:21] <ScottK> debfx: I'll look into it.
[18:21] <bambee> no :)
[18:22] <yofel> dinner time, brb
[18:23] <debfx> ScottK: and probably: libphononexperimental-dev, phonon-backend-null
[18:24]  * shadeslayer wonders if his merges will ever get sponsored
[18:29] <maco> ScottK: you're a server guy right?
[18:29] <ScottK> Sure.
[18:30] <maco> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mini-dinstall/+bug/3417 there are two ways to fix this. one is to add Depends: debian-keyring, the other is to make DebianSigVerifier.py have only ubuntu-archive-keyring, not debian-keyring (currently has both)
[18:30] <maco> ScottK: which would be preferable for servers?
[18:32] <ScottK> maco: I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mini-dinstall/+bug/3417/comments/8 is the relevant point.  The ubuntu-keyring doesn't provide the same thing debian-keyring provides.
[18:32] <maco> ScottK: ok, so i'll add the dependency then
[18:33] <ScottK> It might do to find someone that uses it and double check.
[18:33] <ScottK> IIRC NCommander knows a bit about such things.
[18:33] <maco> huh. ubuntu-keyring is just a suggests on there despite all the .gpg references in there having been chnged to refer to it
[18:33] <maco> k i'll check with him
[18:37] <maco> ScottK: just talked to kirkland and re-read through that patch. it looks like a merge last year dropped *part* of the old patch
[18:37] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:37] <ScottK> OK.
[18:38] <ScottK> Probably #ubuntu-server's a better channel for this.
[18:38] <maco> yeah
[18:38] <maco> but you were right here! :P
[18:41]  * yofel wonders what to put on MOM if he doesn't file a merge bug, 'in kubuntu bzr' ?
[18:45] <rbelem> ScottK, Riddell, apachelogger, shadeslayer http://osnews.com/story/24794/HTC_Officially_Stops_Locking_Bootloaders \o/
[18:46] <ScottK> Nice.
[18:46] <ScottK> yofel: That's fine.
[18:46] <yofel> k
[18:47] <lucidfox> Yay!
[19:15] <shadeslayer> rbelem: yeah i know :D
[19:16] <shadeslayer> rbelem: i'm going to get a new micro sd card in a couple of weeks, and try and boot kubuntu mobile off my HTC Desire xD
[19:17] <shadeslayer> rbelem: how much space do i need? or do i just buy a 16gig card :P
[19:18] <rbelem> shadeslayer, buy a 16gig class10 :-D
[19:18] <shadeslayer> rbelem: *if* i can find such a card :P
[19:18] <rbelem> ehehe
[19:19] <shadeslayer> rbelem: i'll be ordering from this site : http://www.flipkart.com/
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: how would one boot off the SD card?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: on a android phone?
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> aye
[19:20] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: i think you flash a part of the boot image via fastbook and then make it look for everything on the sd card
[19:20] <shadeslayer> s/fastbook/fastboot
[19:20] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: i've made alot of customizations via fastbook like changing the bootsplash and stuff
[19:20]  * DarkwingDuck goes to look into getting fastboot on his droid1
[19:21] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: its a desktop bin
[19:21] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110527182111-hmxzl1no037zf9m5 * (debian/changelog src/daemon/event.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[19:21] <CIA-51> Make sure to initialize the KStatusNotifierItem object's pointer with 0,
[19:21] <CIA-51> otherwise crashes will occur when trying to delete it due to the undefinied
[19:21] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: you probably need to S-OFF your phone as well ... to get read write access to your file system and such
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> aye
[19:22] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... i think that website does not have microsd
[19:22] <rbelem> shadeslayer, try ebay
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> bleh, my local bzr branch still pushes to the old kubuntu-members branch instead of the new kubuntu-packagers
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> i might hold off till i get another phone
[19:23]  * JontheEchidna uses the --remember flag
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: btw, how did the interview yesterday go?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> rbelem: heh .... ebay sucks in india
[19:24] <rbelem> shadeslayer, why?
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> Is there a merge wiki for 4.6.3?
[19:25] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: \o
[19:25] <shadeslayer> rbelem: people trade used products and is unreliable
[19:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: we're using MOM
[19:25] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> k
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> we used a wiki in past releases, guess I just haven't done packaging in a bit :P
[19:28] <rbelem> shadeslayer, buy from a gold seller
[19:28] <shadeslayer> gold what
[19:29] <shadeslayer> rbelem: http://www.flipkart.com/transcend-memory-card-16gb-microsdhc-mobile-accessories-accctpgvzgk6bmzt
[19:29] <shadeslayer> i wonder whats the difference between SD and SDHC
[19:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hc == high capacity, i guess
[19:29] <yofel> SD goes as far as 2G
[19:30] <shadeslayer> rbelem: my exact thoughts
[19:30] <yofel> everything larger is SDHC
[19:30] <shadeslayer> and xc is extreme capacity
[19:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer, class 2 will not work
[19:30] <yofel> where does that start?
[19:30] <shadeslayer> rbelem: thats a class 2?
[19:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer, yup
[19:30] <shadeslayer> rbelem: SDXC: >32 GB to 2 TB
[19:30] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[19:31] <yofel> ah
[19:32] <rbelem> shadeslayer, http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/kingmax-flaunts-worlds-first-64gb-microsd-card/
[19:33] <shadeslayer> my phone won't support 64 GB's
[19:34] <DarkwingDuck> mine is good with 32 gig except in the recovery area, i cant flash from my 32 gig sd
[19:35] <shadeslayer> rbelem: http://www.flipkart.com/sandisk-memory-card-32gb-microsdhc-mobile-accessories-acccrrqzjfygnfrm
[19:35] <shadeslayer> but thats out of stock :(
[19:35]  * Quintasan loathes grab-merge
[19:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah, don't use grab-merge
[19:35] <Quintasan> though, merging it by hand is...
[19:35] <shadeslayer> i manually run a diff of the 2 debian dirs
[19:35] <yofel> grab-merge doesn't do anything useful if you use source format 3
[19:36] <yofel> it merges the packages with patches applied
[19:36] <rbelem> shadeslayer, those microsd that comes without class number are class 2
[19:36] <shadeslayer> aw
[19:37] <Quintasan> Basically it means they are shit :P
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> manually diffing the dirs is the way to go. I do: 
[19:38] <Quintasan> merge-changelog actually works
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> diff -Nru current/blah-version/debian current-debian/blah-version/debian > current-to-debian.diff
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> then bring up current-to-debian.diff in kate
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> open relevant files, make changes, re-run the diff command as I go
[19:39] <Quintasan> current as in oneiric?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh beware, it adds a extra line at the end
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:39] <shadeslayer> do i need kdelibs5-data.templates ?
[19:39]  * Quintasan hates merging
[19:39] <shadeslayer> because debian seems to have dropped it
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: they were the only ones using that anyways
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> we just kept it to keep the diff down
[19:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: what about kdelibs5-data.preinst ?
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> pretty sure they were using the debconf templates and preinst for their kde3->4 migration
[19:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Which directory (debian or ubuntu) to you copy to put merged files in?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i make 3 dirs, ubuntu/debian/work
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: I make two dirs, current and current-debian. I apt-get source the package, then copy the latest packaging in from bzr
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: then copy stuff from debian into work and merge with ubuntu dir
[19:41] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We need the wiki for new releases but for merging, MoM is indeed the best place.
[19:42] <ScottK> debfx: Your promotions are done.  Should hit the archive in ~an hour.
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: my setup: http://i.imgur.com/Uye5v.png
[19:43] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/75481
[19:43] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: merge-changelog :3
[19:43]  * yofel has debian package + ubuntu bzr + diff in vim
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: cool, looks like the only thing left is to merge the most recent "unreleased" changelog entry with the merge one
[19:43] <yofel> +1, merge-changelog is :D
[19:44] <ScottK> Don't forget to look at changes we have that should be sent back to Debian.
[19:44] <shadeslayer> rbelem: KSambaShareData would be your doing right?
[19:45] <debfx> ScottK: great, thanks
[19:45] <debfx> now I need to figure out how updating kubuntu-meta works
[19:45] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: So the stuff from yofel's commit should go into 4.6.3-1 release?
[19:45] <rbelem> shadeslayer, yup
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> I think it should be merged with the 4.6.3-1ubuntu1
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> since 0ubuntu1 never happened and is unreleased
[19:46] <yofel> 4.6.3-0ubuntu1 should go in 4.6.3-1ubuntu1
[19:46]  * Quintasan just moves the stuff on to
[19:46] <Quintasan> top*
[19:46] <yofel> hm, true, better to drop it
[19:47]  * yofel fixes his changelog
[19:47] <Quintasan> we mark 1ubuntu1 as oneiric or unreleased?
[19:47] <yofel> unreleased
[19:48] <yofel> should be put stuff into the PPA?
[19:48] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/75487
[19:48] <Quintasan> like this?
[19:48] <ScottK> I wouldn't bother with PPA.
[19:48] <Quintasan> oh wait, I need to dch Merge with Debian
[19:48] <yofel> er, use dch and put Merge from debian unsable under your name
[19:49] <shadeslayer> hmm ... i have -usr/lib/libkatepartinterfaces.so which goes into a new package called debian/libkatepartinterfaces4.install
[19:49] <shadeslayer> for some reason it was in kdelibs5-dev earluer
[19:49] <shadeslayer> *earlier
[19:50] <yofel> well, the .so should go into -dev
[19:50] <ScottK> So it's a package split.
[19:50] <yofel> .so.* should go into libkatepartinterfaces4.install
[19:50] <ScottK> If it doesn't make sense, ask the Debian person why they did it that way.
[19:50] <shadeslayer> debian/libkatepartinterfaces4.install 1:usr/lib/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4
[19:50] <yofel> that's right
[19:51] <shadeslayer> then a so file is missing, since the diff shows that libkatepartinterfaces.so was removed from kdelibs5-dev
[19:51] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/75493
[19:51] <Quintasan> That should do it, shouldn't it?
[19:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: is there a way to make diff NOT show lines that were moved around in the same file?
[19:52] <yofel> Quintasan: looks right
[19:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no need for   * Update Vcs links as the branch is owned by kubuntu-packagers now  i think
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> I don't think so. I like reordering them to match the way Debian has them anyways
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: ^
[19:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: that never made it into the archive yte
[19:52] <yofel> *yet
[19:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: well .. but they make my diff fatter
[19:52] <yofel> so it should stay
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: the goal is to get as small of a diff against debian as possible, even if it makes the diff compared to the current version bigger
[19:53] <bambee> why does the debian kde team use libdlrestriction for loadable plugins  and not us ?
[19:53] <ScottK> Because it's new
[19:53] <bambee> (kdebase is an example)
[19:53] <bambee> ah it's new ?
[19:53] <bambee> ok
[19:53] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah but it makes it harder to spot stuff that was moved into other files
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:53] <ScottK> It was added since we last merged.
[19:53] <bambee> ok
[19:54] <shadeslayer> bambee: new in pkg-kde-tools
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: this is why I rerun my diff command periodically while I work
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> I <3 the up arrow keyu
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> -u
[19:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:54] <Quintasan> OH FCK
[19:54] <shadeslayer> i <3 zsh + the arrow key
[19:54] <bambee> shadeslayer: ok, so libdlrestriction should be import from debian and then I can merge kdebase 4.6.3
[19:54] <shadeslayer> bambee: already done
[19:54]  * Quintasan hit his elbow on the table and felt the electricity :S
[19:54] <bambee> great
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hahaha
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: Hit your funny bone, I see.
[19:55] <Quintasan> oh fcks
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: even worse is when you get up and your leg is sleeping
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> (at least, that's what we call that spot in america)
[19:55] <Quintasan> funny bone? :D
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:55] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> because it's ironically not funny when you hit it :P
[19:55] <Quintasan> :3
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its a bone in your elbow 
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> actually
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> it's not a bone
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> but a cluster of nerves running across a bone
[19:56] <Quintasan> it's a nerve 
[19:56] <Quintasan> :D
[19:56] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:56] <shadeslayer> here i was thinking it was a small'ish bone
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> you learn something new every day ;-)
[19:57] <Quintasan> it has to be a nerve since you feel "electricity" when you hit it :P
[19:57] <shadeslayer> true
[19:58] <apachelogger> well
[19:58] <apachelogger> maybe it evolves into a bone?
[19:58] <apachelogger> considering shadeslayer is living the future...
[19:58] <maco> is this like when i taught apachelogger what i call the little handle on a car's ceiling?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> hey apachelogger
[19:59] <apachelogger> uh, true
[19:59] <apachelogger> ohshithandle++
[19:59] <apachelogger> could not have survived without it
[19:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yo 
[19:59] <maco> especially with Riddell's driving
[19:59] <apachelogger> true true
[19:59] <Quintasan> maco: how do you call it? :D
[20:00] <maco> Quintasan: apachelogger already said it
[20:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you have to tell me how to fix this : https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71339932/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.phonon-backend-gstreamer_4%3A4.7.0really4.5.0-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:00] <Quintasan> ohshithandle? :D
[20:00] <maco> yes
[20:00]  * apachelogger is suffering from itchy beard syndrome
[20:00] <maco> cuz that's what you're saying when you need to grab it
[20:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's downloading  libqt4-opengl-dev
[20:00] <shadeslayer> but still failing
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> re getting kaccessible in to main, that shouldn't be too hard since it's already in a source package that's in main, yes?
[20:00] <apachelogger> them bones them bones them dancing bones
[20:00]  * Quintasan makes a mental note to tell his brother about it
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> (Debian added it to their kdeaccessibility metapackage)
[20:01] <shadeslayer> maco: are you talking about the handbrake? :D
[20:01] <Quintasan> DEM BONEZ
[20:01]  * Quintasan wonders why there is no music
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> All we should need to do for that is add it to our metapackage and let the archive admins promote it
[20:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because it uses the fires of mount doom to screw you over
[20:01] <maco> JontheEchidna: yep
[20:01] <apachelogger> also it uses opengl whereas we only use opengles
[20:01] <bambee> shadeslayer: what's its name ? libdlrestriction ?
[20:02] <apachelogger> incidentially enough the two are mutually exclusive in a linking context
[20:02] <shadeslayer> bambee: it would be the same as debian afaik
[20:02] <bambee> ok
[20:02]  * apachelogger actually thought he created a patch0r for this
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> maco: I see you're down for this on the todo. I'm currently merging kdeaccessibility with Debian right now, mind if I just put kaccessible in the metapackage?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> then once it gets in component mismatch an admin will promote it
[20:02] <maco> JontheEchidna: go ahead. i was figuring id have to go do a MIR and all
[20:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i cannot follow what you're saying :P
[20:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what did you do to break it?
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> cool
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i didn't break it, it was broken when i looked at it
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's broken only on ARM
[20:03] <shadeslayer> which is precisely why i looked at it
[20:03] <Quintasan> oh wait I'm responsible for making the kwin-opengles right?
[20:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because Riddell did not fix0r it in oneiric
[20:04] <apachelogger> take a looksy at the natttty proposed
[20:04] <apachelogger> why is that crapz in proposed anyway
[20:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes
[20:06] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpvuqj5nv6U
[20:06]  * shadeslayer looks
[20:06] <Quintasan> do we want to depend on cdbs if debian doesnt?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the one in proposed looks like it was supposed to go in updates xD
[20:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: context plz
[20:07] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:07] <apachelogger> !SRU
[20:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[20:07] <apachelogger> read
[20:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613880
[20:07] <yofel> Quintasan: not if it's not used, check what you add to it
[20:07] <Quintasan> kubotu: ~np
[20:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what does the rules diff look like?
[20:08] <yofel> the question is if you use cdbs in rules
[20:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:08] <apachelogger> supposedly the debian masters migrated away form shitty old cdbs
[20:08] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:08] <yofel> dhmk uses dh7 not cdbs
[20:12] <Quintasan> oh lol
[20:12] <Quintasan> a typo in our description
[20:12] <Quintasan> information has no plural AFAIK
[20:13] <shadeslayer> where should usr/lib/libkatepartinterfaces.so go : kdelibs5-dev or kdelibs5-plugins?
[20:13] <yofel> kdelibs5-dev IMO
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> zomg, I realize now we can just copy new .install files straight from debian now that we share the same doc install path
[20:13] <shadeslayer> because debian seems to have put other so's like : kde3supportwidgets.so in kdelibs5-plugins
[20:13] <yofel> ask debian then...
[20:13] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh .. are we using kde/ or kde4/ ?
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> kde/
[20:14] <shadeslayer> derp
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: kde3supportwidgets.so is a Qt designer plugin, is why
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> not a shared library
[20:15] <Quintasan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613882
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> are there any public headers for libkatepartinterfaces that are installed?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: dst:usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ << right?
[20:15] <Quintasan> - is debian
[20:15] <yofel> hm, kdelibs5-data uses /usr/share/docs/kde4/ here
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yeah
[20:15] <Quintasan> + is Ubuntu, which one do we want?
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> debian is using this in kdeaccessibility: usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/jovie/
[20:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/75499
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> ok, so there'll need to be a new package for the lib itself, with the naked .so going into kdelibs5-dev
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> along with any headers, etc
[20:17] <yofel> Quintasan: hm, funny enough kdetoys has (from debian): Suggests: kdetoys (= ${source:Version})
[20:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i put in the naked so in kdelibs5-dev .... debian didn't put it there
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> where did it put it?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: heh... what
[20:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: it didn't
[20:17] <yofel> that's for kdetoys-dbg
[20:17] <shadeslayer> thats why i'm asking
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> there's probably a reason
[20:18] <Quintasan> I'm leaving it as is
[20:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: is it in not-installed?
[20:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: haven't built it yet, but it's not in any of the install files
[20:18] <shadeslayer> completing the merge first
[20:19] <shadeslayer> i'll leave it there for the time being and see if it builds with the file there
[20:19]  * yofel hopes pkg-kde-tools 0.14 has a sane list_missing target ...
[20:20] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:20] <shadeslayer> is there a way i can make ack-grep listen for inputs and make it search in debian/*.install when i press enter?
[20:21]  * apachelogger has no idea what that means
[20:21]  * yofel neither...
[20:22] <shadeslayer> well ... something like a endless loop and you input a word and it will search a debian/*.install for that work
[20:22] <shadeslayer> *word
[20:22] <shadeslayer> and when it's done searching it'll wait for the next expression
[20:22] <yofel> I've never ever used ack-grep, so no idea
[20:23] <ryanakca> Why not just write yourself a quick script to do that for you?
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: i don't know bash scripting xD
[20:23] <yofel> yeah, thanks to that I need to write everything in neon myself, learn bash :P
[20:24] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[20:24] <apachelogger> yofel: ack-grep is lovely, can only recommend it
[20:24] <shadeslayer> ^^ oh yes
[20:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: someone told me about it at conf.kde.in
[20:25] <shadeslayer> been using it ever since
[20:25]  * yofel installs
[20:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: should we burn kdesudo with fire?
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: by that you mean remove it?
[20:25] <apachelogger> I just looked at the code and whent *barf*
[20:25] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Here, what's the command for ack-grep? ack-grep <searchpattern> <files> ?
[20:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: or make it easy on the eyes
[20:25] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: yes
[20:26] <shadeslayer> FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[20:26] <shadeslayer> symbol changes
[20:26] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/ackgrepl.sh should do it.
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: rdepends list isn't too terribly large. With some pyth0rn engineering we could use polkit
[20:26]  * apachelogger blinks
[20:26] <apachelogger> ok
[20:26] <apachelogger> lets not remove it
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> right, it's a good way to launch things as root safely
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> but we can kick it off the CD by default
[20:27] <apachelogger> does anyone have a maverick machine around or something?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> oh thats cook
[20:27] <shadeslayer> *cool
[20:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what if a user wants to start kate as rootz?
[20:27] <apachelogger> I hear that happens
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> hmm, yeah
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> the less things using kdesudo the better, though
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> this is what you get when you come up to me and say we should burn something with fire :P
[20:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need someone to finish software-properties dbus worker port
[20:28] <apachelogger> mvo also wants to switch away from the sudo
[20:28] <apachelogger> but we both failed at finding someone to finish the code
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> that's the big blocker, yeah.
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> It's why libmuonprivate and apturl-kde use it
[20:29] <yofel> hm, and how do you start something like latencytop as root without a terminal? or do you want people to use gksu for that?
[20:29] <apachelogger> gksudo surely has better code than kdesudo
[20:29] <apachelogger> also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdesudo/+bug/778404
[20:30]  * apachelogger has no idea why that broke
[20:30] <apachelogger> must be something in sudo though
[20:30] <apachelogger> as kdesudo just wraps sudo in a kprocess
[20:30]  * apachelogger stops phonon qml hacking and cleans up kdesudo code
[20:31] <apachelogger> there is quite the thunderstorm going on
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> wow, we could almost sync kdeaccessibility if it weren't for one replace that we must carry until next lts
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> it's so nice not having diverging packaging, like we had in the olden days
[20:33] <apachelogger> they were diverging from ever stream ^^
[20:33] <apachelogger> fun^2
[20:34] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:34] <shadeslayer> no symbols in new packaging
[20:34] <debfx> JontheEchidna: when you are seeding kaccessible, could you also add gstreamer0.10-qapt to desktop?
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> debfx: sure
[20:34] <Quintasan_> HERP DERP
[20:34] <Quintasan_> JontheEchidna: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/merges/
[20:35] <debfx> I feeling seeding makes more sense than phonon-backend-gstreamer recommending it
[20:35] <yofel> grmbl
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> all the things that provide the gstreamer plugin binary via alternatives should provide a virtual package, imo
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> then phonon-gstreamer can recommend that
[20:36]  * Quintasan is getting tired of merging even though he did only one thing
[20:36] <Quintasan> :/
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> seeding wouldn't hurt, though
[20:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah ... i've been merging kdelibs for 5 hours now
[20:36] <shadeslayer> i have no idea how to do this symbols stuff
[20:36]  * shadeslayer leaves it for laterz
[20:36] <debfx> well the codec installation isn't phonon specific, no?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: what is herp derp about that?
[20:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[20:37] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: HERP DERP was about Quassel disconnecting on me
[20:37] <debfx> so some gstreamer package would have to recommend the codec installation virtual
[20:37] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:37] <yofel> Quintasan: blame my ISP
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> I believe it's a library function call that ends up invoking the .exe
[20:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we have braces on the same lines as enum or newline?
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: oh, then what was the link for?
[20:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: p.u.o link?
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yeah
[20:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I want you to review it :P
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I do: enum WarningCode {
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> brb
[20:38]  * Quintasan always forgets how to do merges
[20:40] <shadeslayer> huh
[20:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: the didn't install libkateinterfacespart.so
[20:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are wicked
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> in the evil sense?
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> or the totally cool sense?
[20:42] <apachelogger> !find kdex.dtd
[20:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: evil :P
[20:42] <apachelogger> !info kdelibs-data
[20:42] <apachelogger> ehhhhh
[20:42] <apachelogger> !info kdoctools
[20:42] <apachelogger> ahhhh
[20:42] <apachelogger> great
[20:42] <apachelogger> why does kdesudo FTBFS then
[20:42]  * apachelogger waves fist
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: debian-to-work seems to have direct, non-patched changes
[20:44] <Quintasan> huh?
[20:45] <Quintasan> such as?
[20:45]  * Quintasan can't find any
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> unless that is a patch in a patch :/
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> brainfsck
[20:46] <Quintasan> :d
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: we should follow Debian's changes to kdeadmin-dbg deps
[20:46] <Quintasan> KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES says otherwise :P
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> users shouldn't have to install everything that the metapackage depends on to get symbols for one app
[20:47] <Quintasan> moving back to Recommends then
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> I don't see any rationale given for keeping that diff in debian/changelog when it first appeared
[20:47] <serenity> hi. Is there already a PPA for 4.7 beta?
[20:47] <CIA-51> [kdesudo] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110527194729-rf73g38bo034puvy * kdesudo/ (kcookie.cpp kcookie.h kdesudo.cpp kdesudo.h main.cpp) make code flipping readable!!!!
[20:47] <Quintasan> serenity: not yet
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: debian has it as a suggests kdeadmin
[20:47] <serenity> Quintasan: ok, thanks
[20:48] <Quintasan> serenity: You can use Project Neon meanwhile :P
[20:48] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: suggests then
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> otherwise it looks great
[20:49] <Quintasan> okay, what do I do now?
[20:49] <shadeslayer> did someone forward kubuntu_04_add_langpack_path.diff ?
[20:49]  * Quintasan can't remember doing that
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: push to bzr, make a note on merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[20:50] <apachelogger> what does it do?
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: it's not forwardable
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> it adds our custom langpack dir to l10n resources
[20:50] <apachelogger> not very forwardable indeed
[20:53] <apachelogger> brrrr
[20:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: this beast has very scary logic
[20:53] <Quintasan> oh shi-
[20:54] <shadeslayer> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/library-packages.mk'.  Stop.
[20:54] <shadeslayer> great
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> prob. needs new pkg-kde-tools
[20:54] <Quintasan> How does one revert latest commit? -_-
[20:54] <debfx> yeah we should backport it to natty
[20:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: in bzr?
[20:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: have you pushed it?
[20:55]  * JontheEchidna grabs kdeartwork
[20:55] <yofel> that should be >= 0.14 then 
[20:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: unfortunately I did
[20:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: bzr revert then
[20:55] <shadeslayer> no other way
[20:55] <yofel> hm, no, 0.12
[20:56] <shadeslayer> ah well then
[20:56] <shadeslayer> kdelibs merge is ~done
[20:57] <shadeslayer> only symbols are left and kubuntu_04_add_langpack_path.diff needs to be looked into
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't need to be looked in to, it just stays there
[20:57] <shadeslayer> i'm going to study for a while now :)
[20:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: needs to be refreshed :D
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:57]  * Quintasan can't comprehend what he just did
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> trololo: pull-debian-source: Downloading http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdeartwork/kdeartwork_4.6.3.orig.tar.bz2 (111.475 MiB)
[20:58] <Quintasan> lol
[20:58] <debfx> :D
[20:58] <shadeslayer> hahhaa
[20:58] <yofel> so? I just downloaded oxygen-icons
[20:58] <yofel> >350
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> christ, that'd take me half an hour
[20:58] <apachelogger> reminds me
[20:58] <yofel> insanity
[20:59] <apachelogger> I should push xz upstream
[20:59] <yofel> someone get lp xz support :S
[20:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: opinions on having two tars? one bz2 and one xz?
[20:59] <apachelogger> for amarok
[21:00] <apachelogger> I don't see releaseme2 being done any time soon
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> I love this, just a meaningless screen of repeating dots: http://i.imgur.com/RbQ9X.png
[21:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: xz?
[21:00] <shadeslayer> okay thats done too
[21:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: for what?
[21:00] <shadeslayer> could someone backport pkg-kde-tools and let me know?
[21:00] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kdeadmin/ubuntu
[21:00] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: please check if I didn't screw up something like rev 119 :P
[21:00] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah .. <3
[21:01] <shadeslayer> hahaaha
[21:01] <debfx> afaik soyuz already supports xz orig tarballs
[21:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: xz aka lzma, equal decompression requirements as gzip (thus much lighter than bz2) while actually producing vastly smaller tars than bz2
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: haha, you put the files on the top level
[21:01] <Quintasan> ~np Quintasan
[21:01] <kubotu> Quintasan listened to "Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger" by Iron Maiden [Virtual XI, 1998] 7 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/3hC0sYpfq2LTdDQgFsQk0w] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more
[21:01] <yofel> debfx: then I need to try again
[21:01] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Yeah :D
[21:01] <yofel> didn't last time I tried it :/
[21:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: gnu is already doing 2 tars for most projects, it will eventually become the new standard for compression
[21:02] <debfx> yofel: bug #742408
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: looks all better after the most recent revision
[21:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmmm i'm not a huge fan of having two but if it is not a huge overhead for me ok
[21:02] <debfx> shadeslayer: just build the source package with -nc
[21:02] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: cool, I'll grab another one so I get better it :S
[21:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger either one one of you looking into my avogadro/choqok merge?
[21:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: will only take slightly longer to create the tar
[21:02]  * yofel hugs debfx and [insert random launchpad dev here]
[21:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I ain't looking at showcock
[21:03] <shadeslayer> debfx: trying to use a pbuilder here xD
[21:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: for all I care you could also drop bz2 alltogehter, I think all somewhat recent distros can decompress xz
[21:03] <shadeslayer> ,,,
[21:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wha?
[21:03] <shadeslayer> s/,,,/...
[21:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: choqok and avogadro merges
[21:03] <yofel> s/.../…/
[21:03] <kubotu> yofel meant: "…s debfx and [insert random launchpad dev here]"
[21:03] <shadeslayer> hahahaah
[21:03]  * yofel hits kubotu
[21:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok - that's a question for the packager list i guess
[21:03] <Quintasan> kubotu: shut the fcks up :S
[21:04] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: 150 students .... managing nightmare :S
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> s/.../.../
[21:04] <kubotu> JontheEchidna meant: "...ntasan: looks all better after the most recent revision"
[21:04] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: tell me about it
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:04] <Nightrose> :D
[21:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 787458 and 788772
[21:04] <Quintasan> wolololol
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> funny results when you try to replace something you haven't said with something
[21:05] <CIA-51> [kdesudo] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110527200522-vtql3zel4t4zt9ma * kdesudo/ (kdesudo.cpp kdesudo.h) qstringbuilder and further readability++
[21:05] <apachelogger> oh
[21:06] <Quintasan> I can't belive what my eyes are seeing
[21:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger is commiting code
[21:06] <apachelogger> avgoadro finally has a proper debdiff
[21:06] <apachelogger> nice
[21:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: clearly you are not in #phonon :P
[21:06]  * apachelogger likes to produce CIA walls with git
[21:06] <Quintasan> >implying I care about your upstream commits
[21:06] <Quintasan> :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> upstream commits == downstream commits
[21:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wall of commit
[21:07] <apachelogger> upcoming blog post
[21:07] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[21:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: please upload then, will work on k3b merge tomorrow
[21:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: btw you have until tuesday to complain about the blog post I sent a review request some days ago :P
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> oh right, I forgot to reviwe that
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ok ciao
[21:08] <yofel> cu
[21:09]  * JontheEchidna still has download dots meaninglessly scrolling across his screen
[21:09] <Quintasan> WTF
[21:09] <yofel> hahah
[21:09] <debfx> phonon* merging: done
[21:10]  * apachelogger wonders if shadeslayer did anything about the arm FTBFS
[21:10]  * Quintasan can remember uploading telepathy-qt4 0.6.0 but it is still not in the archive
[21:10] <apachelogger> debfx: while you are at it, pleaes throw in the patch from natty-proposed
[21:10] <apachelogger> fixes arm FTBFS due to gles
[21:11] <debfx> apachelogger: isn't that fixed upstream?
[21:12] <apachelogger> yes it is, but I do not think we released it yet
[21:12] <apachelogger> also there is no pgst release scheduled right now
[21:12] <apachelogger> we might push one after randa sprint though *shrug*
[21:12] <debfx> we haven't had 4.5.1 in oneiric yet
[21:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I hav eno idea why userconfig is better than kuser :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> except that one is maintained and the other is not
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: this is the default kuser UI: http://i.imgur.com/qhdkP.png
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> that should be enough for you :P
[21:14] <Quintasan> oh wait
[21:14] <Quintasan> wtf is this?
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no i didn't
[21:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: quite honestly the userconfig UI is not a UI design master piece either
[21:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: carol does not like me!
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> it is quite an improvement though
[21:16] <bambee> wait the new userconfig... :P
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe she does not like unicorns/pink ? :P
[21:16] <Quintasan> ~np Quintasan
[21:16] <kubotu> Quintasan listened to "Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger" by Iron Maiden [Virtual XI, 1998] 7 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/3hC0sYpfq2LTdDQgFsQk0w] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and hence does not like you ?
[21:16] <Quintasan> wtf
[21:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps
[21:16] <yofel> lol
[21:16] <yofel> The image “http://i.imgur.com/qhdkP.png” cannot be displayed because it contains errors.
[21:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: rekonq merge does not have a fulldebdiff
[21:17] <shadeslayer> which rekonq merge?
[21:17] <apachelogger> eh
[21:17] <yofel> reloading twice helped
[21:17] <apachelogger> showcock
[21:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats missing?
[21:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ~np is broken
[21:17] <Quintasan> http://www.lastfm.pl/user/Quintasan
[21:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: a debdiff new ubuntu to old
[21:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is last.fm for you
[21:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think it might be better to not mention kuser, only confuses people and distracts from the point of the post
[21:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looking
[21:18] <apachelogger> should the question come up in the comments I can still answer it
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> I had worries that just mentioning userconfig would look like us pushing NIH solutions
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> even though userconfig is clearly superior
[21:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choqok/+bug/788772/+attachment/2143902/+files/ubuntu_old_vs_ubuntu_new_complete.debdiff.xz
[21:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that implies people know kuser :P
[21:19] <Quintasan> Implying implies implying obvious implications
[21:19] <apachelogger> and the discussion on kde-core-devel or where it was WRT userconfig into KDE seemed generally acknowloging that kuser is unmaintained and b0rked
[21:19] <Quintasan> jussi: ping
[21:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wrong order of diff
[21:20] <apachelogger> that is 1.1 to 1.0 not 1.0 to 1.1
[21:20] <shadeslayer> @_@
[21:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: alright, fixing, anything else?
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: locking the screen in neon still doesn't work
[21:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Why do you blame me?
[21:21]  * yofel wonders if locking uses dbus
[21:22] <Quintasan> It's either broken in KDE or it uses DBus
[21:22] <shadeslayer> i'm not
[21:22] <shadeslayer> i'd say it's using some dbus magic
[21:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you upstream kubuntu_02_fix_message_indicator?
[21:22] <Quintasan> If latter is true then we seriously need to arrange dbus to look in our paths
[21:22] <yofel> have fun finding out how, I gave up
[21:22]  * apachelogger thinks screen locking requires to have suid set on some binary
[21:22] <apachelogger> or maybe that was unlocking
[21:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell said that he forwarded it to upstream
[21:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: locking works, but can't unlock after that xD
[21:23]  * Quintasan notes he did not get an answer last time from dbus guys
[21:23] <Riddell> he might need reminding
[21:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can you try asking them later about it ?
[21:23] <Riddell> or maybe he made another change
[21:23] <Riddell> just checkif the indicate stuff actually works
[21:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: will do
[21:25] <debfx> apachelogger: it built fine despite linking against GL: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.5.1-1ubuntu1/+build/2530973
[21:25] <debfx> I though that didn't work
[21:27] <apachelogger> debfx: at runtime it will cause symbol collision
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> lol, we still have: Replaces: kdeplasma-addons-data (<< 4:4.1.87) in kdeartwork
[21:28]  * JontheEchidna baleets
[21:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks good othterwise
[21:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uploaded new diff
[21:30] <apachelogger> debfx: or perhaps linaro got their compat lib in already? *shrug*
[21:30] <Quintasan> ofono is in Debian unstable in case we are interested
[21:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw would the intrid for Kubuntu Mobile fit into my Phone Memory if i transfer it via fastboot?
[21:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oooh
[21:31] <Quintasan> http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/ofono.html
[21:31] <apachelogger> no idea what fastboot is and no idea what phone you have and even less idea about how much memory your bootloader allows for initrd&zimage
[21:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes we are
[21:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: without that we cannot have GSM ^^
[21:31] <apachelogger> rbelem: ^ less work for us
[21:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fastboot is the android tool ... wait .. how did you boot kubuntu mobile on your tablet?
[21:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: initrd should fit
[21:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, awesome :-)
[21:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: PROTIP: boot.img usually is 10mb or even more depending on your device
[21:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: well if we can fit intrid, we could theoretically boot kubuntu mobile
[21:33] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i'm running MIUI these days
[21:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I buy devices that actually have support for hacking them
[21:33] <Quintasan> >MIUI
[21:33] <Quintasan> lol
[21:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: haven
[21:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have'nt you heard? :D
[21:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: HTC bootloaders are now unlockable
[21:35] <apachelogger> I thought they'd just stop locking shit
[21:35] <apachelogger> also that is still not hackable by my definition
[21:35] <shadeslayer> well .. i think it'll be one simple command to unlock them
[21:35] <shadeslayer> fastboot oem unlock or something
[21:35] <debfx> apachelogger: the gstreamer backend needs a cmake option to disable opengl
[21:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.osnews.com/story/24794/HTC_Officially_Stops_Locking_Bootloaders
[21:36] <apachelogger> debfx: why?
[21:36] <shadeslayer> rbelem: is there a 'official' way to unlock my bootloader now?
[21:37]  * apachelogger did not know rbelem is working for HTC now
[21:37] <rbelem> shadeslayer, dunno
[21:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what the hell are you using?
[21:37] <Quintasan> HTC Desire?
[21:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, no no :-)
[21:37] <apachelogger> and so he does not
[21:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes
[21:37] <rbelem> :-D
[21:37] <apachelogger> rbelem: yeah, was a sarcastical comment
[21:37] <debfx> apachelogger: so we can reliably disable opengl on arm
[21:38] <apachelogger> debfx: just don't install libgl-dev :P
[21:38] <debfx> apachelogger: what do you not understand about reliable? ;)
[21:39] <apachelogger> libgl-dev is not pulled in on armel
[21:39] <apachelogger> because of the gles transition
[21:39] <apachelogger> if it is that is a bug anyway
[21:39] <apachelogger> having an option up the stream is fishy
[21:39] <debfx> how  so?
[21:39] <apachelogger> cause that is implicit functionality intorduced by nokia, so various Qt apps could be using it
[21:40] <apachelogger> having an option makes people wanna use it, makes shit broken
[21:40] <apachelogger> whoops
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> you can build-depend libgl-dev [!armel] to be safe
[21:40] <apachelogger> something is borked with choqok
[21:41] <debfx> aha the code has: #if !defined(QT_OPENGL_ES)
[21:41] <Quintasan> Broken by Design (TM)
[21:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that could still pull it in via the dep tree
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> true
[21:41] <debfx> apachelogger: are you sure it causes symbol collisions?
[21:41] <apachelogger> Phonon Five will ship with demos that contain .prn files
[21:41] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[21:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: lol
[21:42] <yofel> you guys are in new major version frenzy too?
[21:42] <apachelogger> that was the reason we had to rebuild half the kde workspace stack to get plasma mobile to use gl
[21:43] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[21:43] <debfx> in that case the check is counterproductive because it makes the code build but it still fails at runtime
[21:43]  * apachelogger used the wrong command magic
[21:44] <debfx> apachelogger: I still don't understand what's wrong with a default on option to use opengl
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: y u no put yourself on merges.ubuntu.com?
[21:45] <Quintasan> I did FFS
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[21:45] <apachelogger> debfx: well, talk to tdfischer, maybe he thinks it is worthwhile
[21:45] <Quintasan> WTF
[21:45] <Quintasan> damn rekonq
[21:45]  * JontheEchidna maintains his committment to having a good browser by using chromium :P
[21:46]  * apachelogger uses ie8
[21:46] <apachelogger> works like charm
[21:46] <debfx> hm I could just add a Build-Conflicts for now
[21:46]  * JontheEchidna grabs kdebase-runtime for a merge
[21:47]  * apachelogger feels a sudden tiredness
[21:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you look at choqok again?
[21:47] <apachelogger> no
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> the irony here is that the source package structure will entirely change right after we merge :P
[21:48] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so true
[21:48] <shadeslayer> i can already feel the pain
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> and right when we just got to the point where we could almost sync our KDE packages...
[21:48]  * JontheEchidna sighs
[21:49] <Quintasan> I think jussi did something scary to Freescale
[21:49] <Quintasan> like wait what
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> we'll really need to coordinate with Debian on this one
[21:49] <yofel> right
[21:49] <Quintasan> Why don't we just wait for them to do splitting? :P
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> because we won't have KDE packages in time for release if we wait :P
[21:49] <apachelogger> we'd like ot have 4.7 before 2013
[21:49] <debfx> JontheEchidna: yes like I said, we should help Debian package the beta
[21:49]  * Quintasan is really +1 on cooridination
[21:49] <yofel> oh, you want to wait 2 months for it?
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> if we offer to help with their packaging, things will go much more smoothly for everyone
[21:50] <yofel> I'm being optimistic
[21:50] <debfx> and then merge again
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> debfx: oh, I must have missed you saying that
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> it's a smashing good idea, though :)
[21:50] <Quintasan> gotta get everyone show up on #debian-kde
[21:50] <jussi> Quintasan: pong
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> great minds thing alike, etc
[21:50]  * apachelogger giggles
[21:50] <debfx> :D
[21:50] <Quintasan> jussi: what did you do to Freescale?
[21:50] <jussi> Quintasan: ?
[21:50] <yofel> which reminds me...
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are you working on ofono?
[21:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are you working on ofono?
[21:51] <apachelogger> we haz merges to do
[21:51] <Quintasan> jussi: shipping date suddenly switched to today :D
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> jussi: where did you put the body?
[21:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: NO lol
[21:51] <jussi> Quintasan: I grabbed and twisted...  (hear that shadeslayer? I want blink soon... )
[21:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It is maintained by Debian Telepathy team
[21:51] <ScottK> Quintasan: #debian-kde is the user support channel.  It's #debian-qt-kde for packaging.
[21:51] <apachelogger> jussi: I be ordered today
[21:51] <Quintasan> ScottK: oh, I see
[21:52] <jussi> apachelogger: :)
[21:53] <apachelogger> also thanks to lord google I can save currency exchange stuffz
[21:53] <apachelogger> google++
 MoDaX said he has zero plans to get anywhere close to it until the tarball layout is frozen
[21:53] <Quintasan> DOHOHOHOHO
[21:53] <Quintasan> :D
[21:54]  * Quintasan takes a look at kde-packagers
[21:54] <yofel> well, I agree
[21:54] <Quintasan> not happening anywhen soon
[21:54] <jussi> Quintasan: Our ship date here for 5 of them also changed to today 
[21:55] <Quintasan> jussi: You did not threat them with some divine fist of doom or something along those lines, did you? :P
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: this is not to say we can't have a collaborative git repo for early packing 
[21:55] <jussi> Quintasan: as I said, I grabbed and twisted... :P
[21:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: sorry ... i didn't follow you :D
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> that way people who are not MoDaX can touch it early
[21:55] <apachelogger> hm
[21:55] <apachelogger> you just said something scary
[21:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: How about you suggest that ^? :P
[21:56] <apachelogger> what if kubuntu packaging was a branch of debian packaging in debian's git.... ;)
[21:56] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[21:56] <Quintasan> Can't unsee that apachelogger
[21:56] <ScottK> If only LP could import from non-master git branches ....
[21:56] <apachelogger> merging would be simpler, git would be sweetest, debian would luv us, we'd get to have stuff
[21:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: screw LP :P
[21:56] <ScottK> Fair enough.
[21:56] <apachelogger> technology fail -> use other stuff :P
[21:56] <ScottK> Git always makes my head hurt.
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> The big issue is that 4.7 is basically resetting the packaging landscape, and we need some way of keeping somewhat together with Debian if we want the packages to be even remotely similar
[21:57]  * apachelogger needed 2 rather large black boards to draw the git policy of a university project he is leading :P
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> we can reuse binary package descriptions and such, but it's still a big change
[21:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: well, we (shadeslayer and yofel) already had a taste of that after we started Project Neon
[21:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: meh ... we have a newer ofono
[21:58] <shadeslayer> oh yeah
[21:58] <Quintasan> but we did not have to collaborate with anyone so.. :P
[21:58] <debfx> I'd say we also don't have an interest to package 4.7 atm if upstream will change the tarball layout again
[21:58] <yofel> yeah, and our packaging is pretty much cp  and sed
[21:59] <shadeslayer> i'd say, anyone who wants to use 4.7 right away can use PN xD
[21:59] <apachelogger> debfx: why would upstream change again?
[21:59] <yofel> heh
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: why wouldn't they?
[21:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *hugs*
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> knowning upstream :P
[21:59] <debfx> apachelogger: cause they have no idea what they want to do
[21:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[22:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://www.mail-archive.com/release-team@kde.org/msg04607.html
[22:00] <apachelogger> debfx: WRT what?
[22:00] <yofel> true, if they already ship empty tarballs...
[22:01] <Quintasan> yofel: I had quite lulzy time reading the thread on kde-packagers
[22:01] <yofel> yeah, thankfully someone remembered kde-wallpapers ^^
[22:01] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[22:01] <debfx> apachelogger: if they want to combine multiple git repositories in a tarball
[22:01] <yofel> I understand the slackware folks though
[22:02] <yofel> if they continue like this we'll have >100 tarballs in the end
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Modularity++
[22:02] <apachelogger> it is because KDE is too nice
[22:02] <Quintasan> well, it means more work
[22:02] <Quintasan> but
[22:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: easily scriptable
[22:02] <Quintasan> less time to download, install
[22:02] <yofel> we already split binary stuff, so no user benefit
[22:03] <apachelogger> not having super large packages makes SRUing much more attractive
[22:03] <yofel> makes updates smaller though
[22:03] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[22:03] <yofel> that too
[22:03] <apachelogger> if you have a fix that affects like 0.1% of the people you will think twice before you SRU workspace
[22:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for that matter, makes backporting viable too
[22:04] <apachelogger> not necesarily
[22:05] <yofel> if you mean backporting KDE, I doubt the backports team will like a 100 sources backport request ^^
[22:05] <Quintasan> yofel: well, I prefer to have shitload of small packages rather that downloading over 9000 mb just because of a small change
[22:05] <yofel> agreed
[22:06] <apachelogger> yofel: I think he meant backporting individual apps
[22:06] <apachelogger> or at least I hope he did
[22:06] <apachelogger> ...
[22:06] <yofel> heh
[22:07] <cpatrick08> i was wondering when kde 4.6.3 was going to be in the oneiric because it is in the natty kubunt-ppa repos but not in oneiric
[22:07] <yofel> cpatrick08: we're on it
[22:07] <apachelogger> WIP
[22:07] <cpatrick08> ok thanks
[22:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, backporting individual apps
[22:09] <yofel> well, that could be doable for some cases
[22:10] <apachelogger> rather a lot depends on the app and its surrounding envrionment
[22:13] <shadeslayer> aseigo is on a bug rampage xD
[22:14] <Quintasan> huh?
[22:14] <apachelogger> he started a holy war on bugs the other day
[22:14] <apachelogger> epic thread on plasma-devel
[22:14] <apachelogger> good thing phonon is well triaged by its maintainer :P
[22:14] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:15] <apachelogger> come to think of it, I should make a triage run in randa, while I have some multimedia minds around
[22:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: moving to bugzilla 4 might help improve things
[22:15] <shadeslayer> but bugzilla is still a dump
[22:15] <apachelogger> so is lunchpad
[22:15] <apachelogger> so is every bug system I have ever seen in my life
[22:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but lauchpad's bug component actually is usable
[22:16] <apachelogger> naturally as it is a rather crappy thing to make software for
[22:16] <shadeslayer> i've yet to get the hang of bugzilla's components and stuff
[22:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 8 bugs in 22 mins
[22:18] <apachelogger> plasma has an epic amount of duplicates
[22:18] <apachelogger> and junior job quality issues
[22:18] <shadeslayer> still is a pretty good rate
[22:18] <apachelogger> just make someone use plasma who has never used it
[22:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:19] <apachelogger> there are more subtle glitches of all sorts than you could possible remember unless you write em down
[22:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: Why are they so uncooperative?
[22:19] <Quintasan> :S
[22:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: who?
[22:19] <shadeslayer> xD
[22:19] <shadeslayer> i still rememer KDE 4.0 days
[22:19] <Quintasan> Debian KDE Qt Team
[22:19] <Quintasan> :S
[22:19] <shadeslayer> click on a button ... insta crash
[22:20] <apachelogger> cause they know that being too nice to downstream makes your life in the future harder
[22:20] <apachelogger> and you end up trying to resolve a non-issue just so that slackware people are happy.. :P
[22:21] <Quintasan> I mean, what the hell is wrong with tackling it earlier?
[22:22] <apachelogger> Influential hedge fund manager David Einhorn has called for Microsoft Corp Chief Executive Steve Ballmer to step down, saying the world's largest software company's long-time leader is stuck in the past.
[22:22] <apachelogger> and that is news?
[22:22]  * apachelogger shakes head
[22:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where did you read that?
[22:23] <apachelogger> reuters
[22:24] <apachelogger> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/25/us-microsoft-idUSTRE74O8BQ20110525
[22:25] <shadeslayer> i usually just look at arstechnica and the newspaper ... 
[22:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: modax makes a very valid point there
[22:26] <shadeslayer> i'd rather wait and do it right than do it fast and fsck up
[22:27] <Quintasan> We are already late.
[22:27] <shadeslayer> doesn't matter
[22:27] <apachelogger> here is a valid point: soon it will be june, we release in october
[22:27] <Quintasan> I agree on waiting till tarball layout settles down
[22:27] <Quintasan> but I somehow get the idea they will still not touch it even after it settles down
[22:27] <apachelogger> every day that we do not have the finalesque software versions in the archive we loose valuable time for testing
[22:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just the first para makes me crack up
[22:28] <shadeslayer> "... surrendering leadership of the tech sector to Apple Inc."
[22:28] <apachelogger> which has direct impact on releas quality, which has direct impact on our public image, which has indirect impact on the size of our use base
[22:29] <apachelogger> in turn the size of the user base has direct impact on amount of testing ...
[22:29] <apachelogger> vicious circle that one is
[22:30] <apachelogger> "I received my Welcome Package today, and would be working on the pin tonight"
[22:30] <apachelogger> WTF
[22:30] <apachelogger> "i recived my welcome package today..and i bought samsung galaxy ace... :)"
[22:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: read the next one
[22:31] <apachelogger> WTF^2
[22:31] <shadeslayer> yeah
[22:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i've muted that thread
[22:31] <apachelogger> "I can safely say that NOBODY CARES! Stop spamming, god dammit! I went to sleep for 1 hour, and now I have 35 unread mails! Wtf is wrong wrong you people? There's less spam on dedicated spam groups! Can't you guys go share that with you REAL LIFE FRIENDS, and not 4000 people that couldn't care less? "
[22:31] <apachelogger> fullack
[22:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and then he is moderated :P
[22:31] <apachelogger> "Let's call this thread dead. Anyone further posting to this thread will also be moderated."
[22:31] <apachelogger> fullack^2
[22:32] <apachelogger> I'd have done that after post 15 already
[22:32] <shadeslayer> i did it at something like ~30 posts
[22:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this happens every year afaik
[22:33] <apachelogger> yes it does
[22:33] <shadeslayer> :S
[22:33] <apachelogger> there should be an announce list so that one can savely unsubscribe from that pit of madness
[22:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there is one
[22:34] <apachelogger> srsly
[22:34] <shadeslayer> carols mentioned it in the thread
[22:34] <shadeslayer> oh no
[22:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres a seprate thread asking for a announce list
[22:34] <apachelogger> well there is a list for public announce, that I know
[22:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce
[22:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah, yeah, I c
[22:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is the public one
[22:35] <shadeslayer> right
[22:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah only for gsoc students you mean?
[22:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, where program info goes
[22:35] <apachelogger> like that mail about proof of enrollment 
[22:36] <apachelogger> later on reminders about eval deadline etc.
[22:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw how much work is putting in the wifi feature in the installer? a weekend? 2 weekends?
[22:38] <shadeslayer> the coding part
[22:38] <shadeslayer> KDE PIM RC2 this weekend btw
[22:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: without actually thinking up a way to do it etc?
[22:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: coding time
[22:39] <apachelogger> should be doable in a weekend
[22:39] <apachelogger> given appropriate knowledge of python
[22:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i've a bit of playing around with python and dbus
[22:40] <shadeslayer> but thats pretty much it
[22:42] <shadeslayer> ok gtg, cya :)
[22:42] <shadeslayer> night everyone
[23:19] <ScottK> Quintasan: Who?
[23:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: Debian KDE Qt, well, whatever
[23:19] <Quintasan> We either wait for them or do it ourselves :P
[23:20] <yofel> if we wait for them we'll have good packages, but forget being remotely up-to-date
[23:21] <debfx> maybe they can be convinced to update if we do most of the work
[23:23] <ScottK> Quintasan: They are on a different timeline than we are, so it's reasonable they'd have a different level of urgency.
[23:25] <Quintasan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613944/
[23:25] <Quintasan> omfg
[23:25] <Quintasan> what's going on in my PC?!
[23:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: random guess: something makes your scheduler delay stuff for very long
[23:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no idea what could be possibly doing that :/
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> something is writing ascii characters into a log that you pastebinned to us
[23:33] <apachelogger> a bug in the kernel for example :P
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> trollface.jpg
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, seems Debian has the contents of our plasma-scriptengine-qml in the kdebase-runtime package
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> and -data
[23:36] <Quintasan> oh well
[23:36] <Quintasan> I'm going to bed
[23:36] <Quintasan> GN everyone
[23:36]  * apachelogger should do this too
[23:37] <Quintasan> [ 1092.709233] update-apt-xapi[3991]: segfault at 4068c5580 ip 00007fb0ed6858c6 sp 00007fff1321d228 error 4 in libstdc++.so.6.0.14[7fb0ed619000+e8000]
[23:37] <Quintasan> lolwtf
[23:37] <Quintasan> aptitude--
[23:38] <Quintasan> no way...