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* skaet waves15:55
* joshuahoover waves16:00
pittihey16:01
skaethi all,   time to start16:01
skaet#startmeeting16:01
MootBotMeeting started at 10:01. The chair is skaet.16:01
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]16:01
skaet[Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_16:02
skaetWelcome to the start of the release meetings for Oneiric Ocelot.16:02
skaet.16:02
skaetAgenda is at:16:02
skaet[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-05-2516:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_16:02
skaetWe'll be following the order given in the agenda (and there's been a little bit of reshuffling, so please check).  The one new addition is we will be starting off with a Toolchain status update.16:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-05-2516:02
skaet.16:02
skaetRelease Calendar (with updates from UDS) can be found at:16:02
skaet[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule16:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule16:02
skaet.16:02
skaetFeature Planning Freeze was yesterday 5/26), so we've got a pretty good feeling for the work items now, and lots of interesting work to keep us busy.  :)16:02
skaet.16:02
skaetAlpha 1 is scheduled for next Thursday (June 2nd).16:02
skaet.16:02
skaetBugs targetted for this release can be found:16:02
skaet[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs16:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs16:02
skaetBugs milestoned for oneiric alpha 1 are at:16:02
skaet[LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/oneiric-alpha-116:02
MootBotLINK received:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/oneiric-alpha-116:02
skaet.16:02
skaetEOL's approaching:16:02
skaet-Dapper Drake (6.06) - EOL on 6/116:02
skaet.16:02
skaetReminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.16:02
skaetquestions?16:02
skaet..16:02
* skaet looks around for some o/ 's. but not seeing any so moving on.16:03
skaet[Topic] Toolchain update - doko_16:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Toolchain update - doko_16:04
skaetok,  I guess we'll see if doko_ chimes in later.16:05
* cjwatson hopes doko knew this was coming :)16:05
* skaet had a long discussion with him on it yesterday :)16:05
skaetdoko wanted to make sure folks were aware of the FTB and mismatches.   Links can be found in the agenda16:06
skaet[Topic] QA team update -  jibel16:06
MootBotNew Topic:  QA team update -  jibel16:06
jibelWe are on track for Alpha1 testing next week16:06
skaet:)16:07
jibelSmoketest of latest daily didn't reveal any disaster for this stage of the release16:07
jibel(meaning the system installs and the user can log in in both Unity and Unity-2D)16:07
jibel..16:07
skaetThanks jibel.16:07
skaetCan you take a pass at the agenda and update the links for the QA side?16:08
skaetfor next time.16:08
jibelyes, noted16:08
skaetany other questions?16:08
skaet[Topic] Hardware Certification team update - ara?16:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - ara?16:08
* skaet doesn't see ara in the channel, moving on.16:09
skaet[Topic] Security team update - jdstrand16:09
MootBotNew Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand16:09
jdstrando/16:09
jdstranderr16:10
* jdstrand waves :)16:10
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric16:10
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric16:10
jdstrand[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html16:10
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html16:10
jdstrandOur blueprints and work items should be in order, and we've started on a few a few of them, most notably the apparmor dependency on perl on the ISO. That is well in hand and hopefully we'll have that dependency removed within the next week or so.16:10
jdstrandBeyond that, not a lot to report that is of interest to this meeting.16:10
jdstrand..16:10
skaetthanks jdstrand.   any questions?16:10
skaet[Topic] Kernel team update - ogasawara16:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara16:11
ogasawaraOverall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:16:11
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric16:11
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html16:11
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:11
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric16:11
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html16:11
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:11
ogasawaraThe Oneiric kernel is currently at v2.6.39-3.9 which represents the v2.6.39 upstream release.  Even though we'll be targetting a 2.6.40 kernel for Oneriric, I intend to keep us on v2.6.39 for the Alpha-1 release.  I do plan to upload one more kernel today.  This will bring in some kernel config clean ups, additional suspend/resume debugging functionality, and re-enablement of dm-raid45.  We remain below the burn down lin16:11
ogasawarae for our Alpha-1 work items and are on track to complete them on time as sheduled.16:11
ogasawaraOf the bugs called out in the agenda, status is as follows:16:11
ogasawara754744 - Assigned to kernel dev and under investigation.  Also forwarded to upstream.16:11
ogasawara542660 - Assigned to kernel dev.  Recent comments indicate possible workaround.  Confirmation is still needed against Oneiric.16:11
ogasawara760131 - This is still under investigation upstream to isolate the issue.  We'll pull in the fix once it is available.16:11
ogasawaraQuestions?16:12
ogasawara..16:12
skaetThanks ogasawara.  :)16:12
skaetSounds good re: kernel plans.  thanks.16:12
skaet[Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson16:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson16:12
cjwatsonHi folks.16:13
cjwatsonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/O#Foundations has a summary of our plans for this cycle.16:13
cjwatsonhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-foundations.html - making progress already, but not much interesting to point out yet.16:13
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-foundations.html - making progress already, but not much interesting to point out yet.16:13
cjwatsonI don't have much to say about the six bugs on the agenda right now.  Most of them have assignees and are being worked on at one level or another.  For Alpha 1, I think only the ca-certificates-java bug is truly critical.16:13
cjwatsonI'd like to mention http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ for those who didn't see my mail to ubuntu-devel.  It should be useful to anyone making library interface changes.16:13
cjwatsonCD build status is kind of amber right now.  Most images are building as of late this week, but the desktop CD has some problems; those should be sorted out later today, and installability smoke-testing can happen if people are feeling enthusiastic over the weekend.  Kubuntu ARM preinstalled images are breaking due to language-support reorganisations.16:13
cjwatsonImages are very oversized right now.  We may not be able to do anything about that for Alpha 1.16:14
cjwatsonOur one blueprint aimed at Alpha 1 is foundations-o-live-build.  That's a stretch goal for Alpha 1, and may slip; it's currently 50% complete.  I know the ARM team is waiting for this with bated breath, though.16:14
cjwatson..16:14
skaetthanks cjwatson. :)16:14
skaetappreciate the build status of Amber.16:14
cjwatsonI'm not too concerned; good to hear from jibel that smoke-tests are more or less OK.16:15
skaetany specific help you're looking for?16:15
skaetre: smoketests,  agreed.  :016:15
skaet:) even.16:15
cjwatsonJust to echo what I'm sure would be doko's comments that it will help if everyone pays attention to build failures throughout the cycle.  At this point, several of them are due to packages not having been merged from unstable yet, and that's easy for domain experts to fix.16:16
cjwatsonNobody expects perfection at this point, but it's good to keep on top of things.16:16
skaetthere are also 32 packages in main that fail to build, based on what I was seeing last night.16:16
skaetagreed,  its good to keep on top.  :)16:17
skaet[Topic] Server team update - Daviey16:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Server team update - Daviey16:17
DavieyHello!16:17
skaet:)16:17
cjwatsonYes; many of those are dep-waits, and are also in component-mismatches.16:17
DavieyQuite a short one this week!16:17
DavieyWe have mostly been spec'ing and merging.16:17
DavieyOur feature promise seems to be complete, and the specific WI's seem to be complete and mostly approved.  There are a couple of outstanding questions, which are being resolved.16:17
Davieyhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server16:17
DavieyWe are just starting to tackle WI/feature work, and therefore we are not looking at metrics at this stage.16:17
DavieyThere are not any feature commitments set for Alpha 1 at this stage.16:17
DavieyThanks.16:17
Daviey..16:17
skaetthanks Daviey.16:18
skaetany questions?16:18
skaet[Topic] ARM team update - ogra_16:18
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - ogra_16:18
ogra_oops16:18
skaetlol16:18
ogra_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric16:18
ogra_Work was done on an ac100 tegra2 image http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/tegra/2.6.37/ and https://launchpad.net/~ac100/+archive/ppa saw their first integration work for natty which will be ported to oneiric.16:19
ogra_The whole team worked on the PPA Panda build cluster, GrueMaster managed in countless hours to make usbboot work so we dont need to use addon HW to disable the SD cards.16:19
ogra_The whole team worked on preparing specs.16:19
ogra_unity-2d was handed over to the desktop team16:19
ogra_headless images build, netbook 8which will turn into desktop soon) dont yet ... due to archive skew16:19
ogra_http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html has not picked up all specs yet16:20
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html has not picked up all specs yet16:20
ogra_thats all from me ...16:20
ogra_..16:20
skaetThanks ogra_  :)16:20
skaetare we likely to be able to put out arm images for alpha1?16:21
ogra_well, beyond being completely untested, i think headless should at least be fine16:21
skaetif so, which ones have best chance?16:21
ogra_and netbook as long as we dont change the seed right now should still function as in natty16:22
cjwatsonubuntu-netbook doesn't seem to have a build yet; I haven't checked why16:22
ogra_cjwatson, skew of unity packages16:22
cjwatsonah, yes, I remember deleting that mail now16:22
ogra_i plan to keep everything as is for A116:22
cjwatsonthat shouldn't be a major problem then16:22
Davieydelete mail (!)16:22
ogra_so the chances should be good to make A!16:22
cjwatsonDaviey: only the boring ones :)16:22
ogra_between A1 and 2 we will do the massive moves16:23
* Daviey makes an effort to make his emails more entertaining.16:23
skaetthanks ogra_,  expectations now set.  ;)16:23
skaetany other questions?16:23
ogra_Daviey, i hope not by adding colors and gifs :)16:23
skaet[Topic] Desktop team update - pitti16:24
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti16:24
pittil desktop blueprints with work items are drafted and approved. The last BP missing is UbuntuSpec:desktop-o-packaging-branches: This is just an informational workflow discussion about the style of our desktop-ish bzr branches. It was pretty much decided in the last desktop team meeting, but we want to give Robert a chance to respond, as he brought it up. Robert has also been down with Ubuflu, so we16:24
pittineed to finish this next week.16:24
pittiWe landed a major chunk of GNOME 3 in oneiric now, so far it's holding together reasonably well for this early stage. The remainder is blocked on porting Unity and the indicators to GTK 3. Note that the latter is a major transition and will cause some uninstallability and trouble for a few days.16:24
pittiNote that `language-support-*` metapackages are finally gone now, we now only use `check-language-support` dynamically. I updated all the seeds etc., but it might still break less obvious things somewhere.16:24
pittiUnity 2D and Qt are on the daily images.16:24
pittiCDs are currently 30 MB oversized, and that's not the end of it, as we'll still get the new gallium X.org drivers which will pull llvm. I don't think we'll be able to sort this out by alpha-1, so I propose we'll just release alpha-1 with documented oversizedness.16:24
pittiOneiric desktop work: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team.html16:24
pittiAlpha-1 work: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html16:24
pittiWe currently have too many WIs, so we'll need to cut a few.16:24
pittithis will be discussed on the next meeting16:24
pittiSorry, I didn't track RC bugs for oneiric yet. I'll try to catch up with them early next week and update the wiki status16:24
pitti..16:24
pittimy first sentence is missing an "Al" at the front, sorry16:25
skaetlol16:25
skaetThanks pitti.   got the context.  :)16:25
pittipedantry++ :)16:25
skaetack on the oversized images.   Figured that was likely the case.16:25
skaetany questions?16:26
pittiwe are now working on reducing them, but frankly I don't yet have an idea how to reclaim more than 30 MB16:26
* skaet nods16:26
pittithis will need a finer comb, so let's see where we are at alpha-216:26
skaetdo we want to have a special meeting on it,  after alpha 1 comes out?16:26
pittitoo early, I think16:26
skaetcouple weeks before alpha2?16:27
pittiI already dropped some language-support stuff, and now we have icon dropping, removing cruft in the squashfs (-> live-helper), and other stuff in the pipeline16:27
pittiso alpha-2 will still likely be oversized16:27
pittiafter a2 is probably a good time, when LLVM hit and we stabilized a bit16:28
pitti(and did most of the space saving things)16:28
skaetok,  will put a note to myself to raise it then if not resolved before.16:28
pittithanks16:28
skaet[Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_16:29
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_16:29
* skaet looks around for dbarth_ ??16:30
skaet[Topic] Ubuntu One Team -  joshuahoover16:30
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu One Team -  joshuahoover16:30
joshuahoover[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus16:30
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus16:30
joshuahooverthat link above will have something more meaningful later today, sorry about that16:30
joshuahooveri'm in the process of making sure all our blueprints for o are setup properly (work items, status, etc.)16:30
joshuahooverwe don't have any new features to land in alpha 116:31
joshuahooverthe big thing we're still in discussions about is how we can best handle continuously updating u1 client, which is based on this blueprint:16:31
joshuahoover[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+spec/foundations-o-agile-networked-clients16:31
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+spec/foundations-o-agile-networked-clients16:31
joshuahooverChipaca is talking to a number of you about this, hopefully we can get this settled soon so we can start work :-)16:31
joshuahooverand that is it for today...should have a much better update next week16:31
joshuahoover--16:31
skaetThanks joshuahoover.16:32
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skaetany one have questions?16:32
* skaet looking forward to reading his status this afternoon. ;)16:32
skaet[Topic] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK16:33
MootBotNew Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK16:33
* skaet looks around for ScottK or Riddell ?16:33
Riddellnot me I'm afraid16:33
dbarth_oops, i missed my turn16:34
skaetThanks Riddell,  guess we'll have to catch up with ScottK offline.16:34
skaetdbarth_ go ahead, and go now then.16:34
skaet[Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_16:34
dbarth_skaet: thanks16:34
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_16:34
dbarth_skaet: hi16:34
dbarth_i've written a quick report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus16:34
dbarth_basically, work started, first dev. iteration of 1 month running16:35
dbarth_priority details on the wiki page16:35
dbarth_one important aspect is how that translates into landings dates relative to alpha milestones16:35
dbarth_ie, weeks: #6, #10, #1416:35
dbarth_which should give us some lead time before alphas, and ensure dx tarballs are well stabilized once they hit the real alphas16:36
dbarth_otherwise16:36
dbarth_SRU fixes delivered for launcher16:36
dbarth_with compiz coming next week16:36
dbarth_a bit of a slow start on the maintenance, unfortunately16:36
dbarth_..16:36
skaetThanks dbarth_ .16:36
skaetappreciate the landing dates to give us some time.  :)16:36
skaetwill compiz next week be impacting the alpha1?  or just Natty?16:37
dbarth_natty16:37
skaetcoolio.  :)16:37
dbarth_that's more sru fixes16:37
skaetWill look into the schedule a bit more, as I work up the interlock next week, and contact you off line.16:38
skaetAny other questions for dbarth?16:38
dbarth_sure16:38
skaet[Topic] MOTU team update - ?16:39
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU team update - ?16:39
skaetdo we have anyone around to talk about MOTU today?16:39
skaethmm..16:39
skaet[Topic] any other kudos/comments/questions?16:40
MootBotNew Topic:  any other kudos/comments/questions?16:40
* Daviey passes around kudos to all.16:40
charlie-tcao/16:40
skaetgo ahead charlie-tca :)16:40
charlie-tcanot having much common sense left, xubuntu would like to have armel imx images for oneiric16:41
skaet:)16:41
charlie-tcaI have a part time dev and testers lined up16:41
charlie-tca..16:41
skaetcjwatson, ogra_ ^^ thoughts?16:41
ogra_if there is someone who takes responsibility for them16:42
ogra_i thought we have a process for that now16:42
charlie-tcawiki?16:42
skaetcharlie-tca is taking responsibility :),  just are the images feasible.16:42
* ScottK is here now.16:43
ScottKHad a power outage.16:43
skaetcharlie-tca, yup, I'll put up the wiki next week.16:43
ogra_sure, they will cost us extra 90min buildtime though16:43
charlie-tcaThanks16:43
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ogra_but beyond that, as long as they are tested by someone16:43
charlie-tcaI will get them tested16:43
skaetsounds good.   Lets see what happens then.  :)16:44
ScottKskaet: I can give you a Kubuntu update when you want it.16:44
charlie-tcathank you16:44
charlie-tca..16:44
skaet[Topic] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK16:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK16:44
cjwatsonxubuntu images> feasible once the disk space upgrade happens16:45
ScottKSpec definition is almost done, but we made a conscious choice to wait until after Kubuntu Council elections finish on Sunday to have the KC review/approve them.16:45
ScottKSo we're a bit behind the official schedule, but it isn't blocking work getting done.16:45
ScottKUpdate to KDE 4.7 beta 1 is the next big thing.16:46
ScottKDebian qt-kde was finally able to upload KDE 4.6.3 to unstable yesterday, so we're going to merge from Debian and then move on to the beta.16:46
ScottKThere's a lot of packaging changes in 4.7, so we'll probably not have it for Alpha 1.16:46
ScottK..16:46
skaetThanks ScottK16:47
skaetSo we're looking at 4.7 making a debut in Alpha 2 - likely?16:47
ScottKDefinitely before Alpha 2.16:48
skaetcoolio.16:48
skaetAny other questions?16:48
skaetor further comments?16:48
skaetlooks like its a wrap then.16:49
skaet#endmeeting16:49
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:49.16:49
skaetthank you jibel, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, ogra_, pitti,  joshuahoover, dbarth_, charlie_tca,  ScottK16:49
ogra_thanks skaet16:49
joshuahooverthank you skaet16:49
jibelThanks skaet16:49
pittithansk everyone16:49
charlie-tcaThank you16:49
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