[15:55]  * skaet waves
[16:00]  * joshuahoover waves
[16:01] <pitti> hey
[16:01] <skaet> hi all,   time to start
[16:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is skaet.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <skaet> [Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[16:02] <skaet> Welcome to the start of the release meetings for Oneiric Ocelot.
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Agenda is at:
[16:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-05-25
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[16:02] <skaet> We'll be following the order given in the agenda (and there's been a little bit of reshuffling, so please check).  The one new addition is we will be starting off with a Toolchain status update.
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-05-25
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Release Calendar (with updates from UDS) can be found at:
[16:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Feature Planning Freeze was yesterday 5/26), so we've got a pretty good feeling for the work items now, and lots of interesting work to keep us busy.  :)
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Alpha 1 is scheduled for next Thursday (June 2nd).
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Bugs targetted for this release can be found:
[16:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[16:02] <skaet> Bugs milestoned for oneiric alpha 1 are at:
[16:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/oneiric-alpha-1
[16:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/oneiric-alpha-1
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> EOL's approaching:
[16:02] <skaet> -Dapper Drake (6.06) - EOL on 6/1
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[16:02] <skaet> questions?
[16:02] <skaet> ..
[16:03]  * skaet looks around for some o/ 's.   but not seeing any so moving on.
[16:04] <skaet> [Topic] Toolchain update - doko_
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Toolchain update - doko_
[16:05] <skaet> ok,  I guess we'll see if doko_ chimes in later.
[16:05]  * cjwatson hopes doko knew this was coming :)
[16:05]  * skaet had a long discussion with him on it yesterday :)
[16:06] <skaet> doko wanted to make sure folks were aware of the FTB and mismatches.   Links can be found in the agenda
[16:06] <skaet> [Topic] QA team update -  jibel
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update -  jibel
[16:06] <jibel> We are on track for Alpha1 testing next week
[16:07] <skaet> :)
[16:07] <jibel> Smoketest of latest daily didn't reveal any disaster for this stage of the release
[16:07] <jibel> (meaning the system installs and the user can log in in both Unity and Unity-2D)
[16:07] <jibel> ..
[16:07] <skaet> Thanks jibel.
[16:08] <skaet> Can you take a pass at the agenda and update the links for the QA side?
[16:08] <skaet> for next time.
[16:08] <jibel> yes, noted
[16:08] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:08] <skaet> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - ara?
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - ara?
[16:09]  * skaet doesn't see ara in the channel,  moving on.
[16:09] <skaet> [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[16:09] <jdstrand> o/
[16:10] <jdstrand> err
[16:10]  * jdstrand waves :)
[16:10] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[16:10] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-security.html
[16:10] <jdstrand> Our blueprints and work items should be in order, and we've started on a few a few of them, most notably the apparmor dependency on perl on the ISO. That is well in hand and hopefully we'll have that dependency removed within the next week or so.
[16:10] <jdstrand> Beyond that, not a lot to report that is of interest to this meeting.
[16:10] <jdstrand> ..
[16:10] <skaet> thanks jdstrand.   any questions?
[16:11] <skaet> [Topic] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara
[16:11] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:11] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[16:11] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html
[16:11] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:11] <ogasawara> The Oneiric kernel is currently at v2.6.39-3.9 which represents the v2.6.39 upstream release.  Even though we'll be targetting a 2.6.40 kernel for Oneriric, I intend to keep us on v2.6.39 for the Alpha-1 release.  I do plan to upload one more kernel today.  This will bring in some kernel config clean ups, additional suspend/resume debugging functionality, and re-enablement of dm-raid45.  We remain below the burn down lin
[16:11] <ogasawara> e for our Alpha-1 work items and are on track to complete them on time as sheduled.
[16:11] <ogasawara> Of the bugs called out in the agenda, status is as follows:
[16:11] <ogasawara> 754744 - Assigned to kernel dev and under investigation.  Also forwarded to upstream.
[16:11] <ogasawara> 542660 - Assigned to kernel dev.  Recent comments indicate possible workaround.  Confirmation is still needed against Oneiric.
[16:11] <ogasawara> 760131 - This is still under investigation upstream to isolate the issue.  We'll pull in the fix once it is available.
[16:12] <ogasawara> Questions?
[16:12] <ogasawara> ..
[16:12] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara.  :)
[16:12] <skaet> Sounds good re: kernel plans.  thanks.
[16:12] <skaet> [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:13] <cjwatson> Hi folks.
[16:13] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/O#Foundations has a summary of our plans for this cycle.
[16:13] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-foundations.html - making progress already, but not much interesting to point out yet.
[16:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-foundations.html - making progress already, but not much interesting to point out yet.
[16:13] <cjwatson> I don't have much to say about the six bugs on the agenda right now.  Most of them have assignees and are being worked on at one level or another.  For Alpha 1, I think only the ca-certificates-java bug is truly critical.
[16:13] <cjwatson> I'd like to mention http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ for those who didn't see my mail to ubuntu-devel.  It should be useful to anyone making library interface changes.
[16:13] <cjwatson> CD build status is kind of amber right now.  Most images are building as of late this week, but the desktop CD has some problems; those should be sorted out later today, and installability smoke-testing can happen if people are feeling enthusiastic over the weekend.  Kubuntu ARM preinstalled images are breaking due to language-support reorganisations.
[16:14] <cjwatson> Images are very oversized right now.  We may not be able to do anything about that for Alpha 1.
[16:14] <cjwatson> Our one blueprint aimed at Alpha 1 is foundations-o-live-build.  That's a stretch goal for Alpha 1, and may slip; it's currently 50% complete.  I know the ARM team is waiting for this with bated breath, though.
[16:14] <cjwatson> ..
[16:14] <skaet> thanks cjwatson. :)
[16:14] <skaet> appreciate the build status of Amber.
[16:15] <cjwatson> I'm not too concerned; good to hear from jibel that smoke-tests are more or less OK.
[16:15] <skaet> any specific help you're looking for?
[16:15] <skaet> re: smoketests,  agreed.  :0
[16:15] <skaet> :) even.
[16:16] <cjwatson> Just to echo what I'm sure would be doko's comments that it will help if everyone pays attention to build failures throughout the cycle.  At this point, several of them are due to packages not having been merged from unstable yet, and that's easy for domain experts to fix.
[16:16] <cjwatson> Nobody expects perfection at this point, but it's good to keep on top of things.
[16:16] <skaet> there are also 32 packages in main that fail to build, based on what I was seeing last night.
[16:17] <skaet> agreed,  its good to keep on top.  :)
[16:17] <skaet> [Topic] Server team update - Daviey
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - Daviey
[16:17] <Daviey> Hello!
[16:17] <skaet> :)
[16:17] <cjwatson> Yes; many of those are dep-waits, and are also in component-mismatches.
[16:17] <Daviey> Quite a short one this week!
[16:17] <Daviey> We have mostly been spec'ing and merging.
[16:17] <Daviey> Our feature promise seems to be complete, and the specific WI's seem to be complete and mostly approved.  There are a couple of outstanding questions, which are being resolved.
[16:17] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server
[16:17] <Daviey> We are just starting to tackle WI/feature work, and therefore we are not looking at metrics at this stage.
[16:17] <Daviey> There are not any feature commitments set for Alpha 1 at this stage.
[16:17] <Daviey> Thanks.
[16:17] <Daviey> ..
[16:18] <skaet> thanks Daviey.
[16:18] <skaet> any questions?
[16:18] <skaet> [Topic] ARM team update - ogra_
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - ogra_
[16:18] <ogra_> oops
[16:18] <skaet> lol
[16:18] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[16:19] <ogra_> Work was done on an ac100 tegra2 image http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/tegra/2.6.37/ and https://launchpad.net/~ac100/+archive/ppa saw their first integration work for natty which will be ported to oneiric.
[16:19] <ogra_> The whole team worked on the PPA Panda build cluster, GrueMaster managed in countless hours to make usbboot work so we dont need to use addon HW to disable the SD cards.
[16:19] <ogra_> The whole team worked on preparing specs.
[16:19] <ogra_> unity-2d was handed over to the desktop team
[16:19] <ogra_> headless images build, netbook 8which will turn into desktop soon) dont yet ... due to archive skew
[16:20] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html has not picked up all specs yet
[16:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html has not picked up all specs yet
[16:20] <ogra_> thats all from me ...
[16:20] <ogra_> ..
[16:20] <skaet> Thanks ogra_  :)
[16:21] <skaet> are we likely to be able to put out arm images for alpha1?
[16:21] <ogra_> well, beyond being completely untested, i think headless should at least be fine
[16:21] <skaet> if so, which ones have best chance?
[16:22] <ogra_> and netbook as long as we dont change the seed right now should still function as in natty
[16:22] <cjwatson> ubuntu-netbook doesn't seem to have a build yet; I haven't checked why
[16:22] <ogra_> cjwatson, skew of unity packages
[16:22] <cjwatson> ah, yes, I remember deleting that mail now
[16:22] <ogra_> i plan to keep everything as is for A1
[16:22] <cjwatson> that shouldn't be a major problem then
[16:22] <Daviey> delete mail (!)
[16:22] <ogra_> so the chances should be good to make A!
[16:22] <cjwatson> Daviey: only the boring ones :)
[16:23] <ogra_> between A1 and 2 we will do the massive moves
[16:23]  * Daviey makes an effort to make his emails more entertaining.
[16:23] <skaet> thanks ogra_,  expectations now set.  ;)
[16:23] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:23] <ogra_> Daviey, i hope not by adding colors and gifs :)
[16:24] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop team update - pitti
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti
[16:24] <pitti> l desktop blueprints with work items are drafted and approved. The last BP missing is UbuntuSpec:desktop-o-packaging-branches: This is just an informational workflow discussion about the style of our desktop-ish bzr branches. It was pretty much decided in the last desktop team meeting, but we want to give Robert a chance to respond, as he brought it up. Robert has also been down with Ubuflu, so we
[16:24] <pitti> need to finish this next week.
[16:24] <pitti> We landed a major chunk of GNOME 3 in oneiric now, so far it's holding together reasonably well for this early stage. The remainder is blocked on porting Unity and the indicators to GTK 3. Note that the latter is a major transition and will cause some uninstallability and trouble for a few days.
[16:24] <pitti> Note that `language-support-*` metapackages are finally gone now, we now only use `check-language-support` dynamically. I updated all the seeds etc., but it might still break less obvious things somewhere.
[16:24] <pitti> Unity 2D and Qt are on the daily images.
[16:24] <pitti> CDs are currently 30 MB oversized, and that's not the end of it, as we'll still get the new gallium X.org drivers which will pull llvm. I don't think we'll be able to sort this out by alpha-1, so I propose we'll just release alpha-1 with documented oversizedness.
[16:24] <pitti> Oneiric desktop work: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team.html
[16:24] <pitti> Alpha-1 work: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html
[16:24] <pitti> We currently have too many WIs, so we'll need to cut a few.
[16:24] <pitti> this will be discussed on the next meeting
[16:24] <pitti> Sorry, I didn't track RC bugs for oneiric yet. I'll try to catch up with them early next week and update the wiki status
[16:24] <pitti> ..
[16:25] <pitti> my first sentence is missing an "Al" at the front, sorry
[16:25] <skaet> lol
[16:25] <skaet> Thanks pitti.   got the context.  :)
[16:25] <pitti> pedantry++ :)
[16:25] <skaet> ack on the oversized images.   Figured that was likely the case.
[16:26] <skaet> any questions?
[16:26] <pitti> we are now working on reducing them, but frankly I don't yet have an idea how to reclaim more than 30 MB
[16:26]  * skaet nods
[16:26] <pitti> this will need a finer comb, so let's see where we are at alpha-2
[16:26] <skaet> do we want to have a special meeting on it,  after alpha 1 comes out?
[16:26] <pitti> too early, I think
[16:27] <skaet> couple weeks before alpha2?
[16:27] <pitti> I already dropped some language-support stuff, and now we have icon dropping, removing cruft in the squashfs (-> live-helper), and other stuff in the pipeline
[16:27] <pitti> so alpha-2 will still likely be oversized
[16:28] <pitti> after a2 is probably a good time, when LLVM hit and we stabilized a bit
[16:28] <pitti> (and did most of the space saving things)
[16:28] <skaet> ok,  will put a note to myself to raise it then if not resolved before.
[16:28] <pitti> thanks
[16:29] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_
[16:30]  * skaet looks around for dbarth_ ??
[16:30] <skaet> [Topic] Ubuntu One Team -  joshuahoover
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team -  joshuahoover
[16:30] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus
[16:30] <joshuahoover> that link above will have something more meaningful later today, sorry about that
[16:30] <joshuahoover> i'm in the process of making sure all our blueprints for o are setup properly (work items, status, etc.)
[16:31] <joshuahoover> we don't have any new features to land in alpha 1
[16:31] <joshuahoover> the big thing we're still in discussions about is how we can best handle continuously updating u1 client, which is based on this blueprint:
[16:31] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+spec/foundations-o-agile-networked-clients
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+spec/foundations-o-agile-networked-clients
[16:31] <joshuahoover> Chipaca is talking to a number of you about this, hopefully we can get this settled soon so we can start work :-)
[16:31] <joshuahoover> and that is it for today...should have a much better update next week
[16:31] <joshuahoover> --
[16:32] <skaet> Thanks joshuahoover.
[16:32] <skaet> any one have questions?
[16:32]  * skaet looking forward to reading his status this afternoon.  ;)
[16:33] <skaet> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:33]  * skaet looks around for ScottK or Riddell ?
[16:33] <Riddell> not me I'm afraid
[16:34] <dbarth_> oops, i missed my turn
[16:34] <skaet> Thanks Riddell,  guess we'll have to catch up with ScottK offline.
[16:34] <skaet> dbarth_ go ahead, and go now then.
[16:34] <skaet> [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_
[16:34] <dbarth_> skaet: thanks
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth_
[16:34] <dbarth_> skaet: hi
[16:34] <dbarth_> i've written a quick report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[16:35] <dbarth_> basically, work started, first dev. iteration of 1 month running
[16:35] <dbarth_> priority details on the wiki page
[16:35] <dbarth_> one important aspect is how that translates into landings dates relative to alpha milestones
[16:35] <dbarth_> ie, weeks: #6, #10, #14
[16:36] <dbarth_> which should give us some lead time before alphas, and ensure dx tarballs are well stabilized once they hit the real alphas
[16:36] <dbarth_> otherwise
[16:36] <dbarth_> SRU fixes delivered for launcher
[16:36] <dbarth_> with compiz coming next week
[16:36] <dbarth_> a bit of a slow start on the maintenance, unfortunately
[16:36] <dbarth_> ..
[16:36] <skaet> Thanks dbarth_ .
[16:36] <skaet> appreciate the landing dates to give us some time.  :)
[16:37] <skaet> will compiz next week be impacting the alpha1?  or just Natty?
[16:37] <dbarth_> natty
[16:37] <skaet> coolio.  :)
[16:37] <dbarth_> that's more sru fixes
[16:38] <skaet> Will look into the schedule a bit more, as I work up the interlock next week, and contact you off line.
[16:38] <skaet> Any other questions for dbarth?
[16:38] <dbarth_> sure
[16:39] <skaet> [Topic] MOTU team update - ?
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - ?
[16:39] <skaet> do we have anyone around to talk about MOTU today?
[16:39] <skaet> hmm..
[16:40] <skaet> [Topic] any other kudos/comments/questions?
[16:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other kudos/comments/questions?
[16:40]  * Daviey passes around kudos to all.
[16:40] <charlie-tca> o/
[16:40] <skaet> go ahead charlie-tca :)
[16:41] <charlie-tca> not having much common sense left, xubuntu would like to have armel imx images for oneiric
[16:41] <skaet> :)
[16:41] <charlie-tca> I have a part time dev and testers lined up
[16:41] <charlie-tca> ..
[16:41] <skaet> cjwatson, ogra_ ^^ thoughts?
[16:42] <ogra_> if there is someone who takes responsibility for them
[16:42] <ogra_> i thought we have a process for that now
[16:42] <charlie-tca> wiki?
[16:42] <skaet> charlie-tca is taking responsibility :),  just are the images feasible.
[16:43]  * ScottK is here now.
[16:43] <ScottK> Had a power outage.
[16:43] <skaet> charlie-tca, yup, I'll put up the wiki next week.
[16:43] <ogra_> sure, they will cost us extra 90min buildtime though
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:43] <ogra_> but beyond that, as long as they are tested by someone
[16:43] <charlie-tca> I will get them tested
[16:44] <skaet> sounds good.   Lets see what happens then.  :)
[16:44] <ScottK> skaet: I can give you a Kubuntu update when you want it.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> thank you
[16:44] <charlie-tca> ..
[16:44] <skaet> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[16:45] <cjwatson> xubuntu images> feasible once the disk space upgrade happens
[16:45] <ScottK> Spec definition is almost done, but we made a conscious choice to wait until after Kubuntu Council elections finish on Sunday to have the KC review/approve them.
[16:45] <ScottK> So we're a bit behind the official schedule, but it isn't blocking work getting done.
[16:46] <ScottK> Update to KDE 4.7 beta 1 is the next big thing.
[16:46] <ScottK> Debian qt-kde was finally able to upload KDE 4.6.3 to unstable yesterday, so we're going to merge from Debian and then move on to the beta.
[16:46] <ScottK> There's a lot of packaging changes in 4.7, so we'll probably not have it for Alpha 1.
[16:46] <ScottK> ..
[16:47] <skaet> Thanks ScottK
[16:47] <skaet> So we're looking at 4.7 making a debut in Alpha 2 - likely?
[16:48] <ScottK> Definitely before Alpha 2.
[16:48] <skaet> coolio.
[16:48] <skaet> Any other questions?
[16:48] <skaet> or further comments?
[16:49] <skaet> looks like its a wrap then.
[16:49] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:49.
[16:49] <skaet> thank you jibel, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, ogra_, pitti,  joshuahoover, dbarth_, charlie_tca,  ScottK
[16:49] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[16:49] <joshuahoover> thank you skaet
[16:49] <jibel> Thanks skaet
[16:49] <pitti> thansk everyone
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Thank you