[00:32] how can I set up spamassisan to learn what is spam/ham and move e-mails as they come in to the proper folders? [00:37] jeeves_moss: I believe it has an auto_learn option that will help it classify the spam in the future. [00:38] jeeves_moss: spamassassin isn't a delivery agent though, so you have to have procmail/maildrop/sieve do the folder selection based on spamassassin's headers [00:43] startup question. How does upstart affect the execution order of scripts in /etc/rc?.d ? [00:43] How does Ubuntu differ in how the startup scripts are executed from Debian? [00:45] some of the start up scripts (like Samba) have been moved to Upstart, but for the most part, they're still in /etc/init.d/ [00:46] jeeves_moss: I understand that, but I was wondering about the execution order. I was told init.d scripts just get executed as a group once upstart completes. === medberry is now known as med_out === skrewler_ is now known as skrewler [01:49] How can I have midori open over ssh with -X? [01:49] I'm trying to run midori from a server... [01:53] MTecknology, Does `ssh -nfX $HOST midori` not work? [01:54] persia: nope [01:54] Midori - Cannot open display: [01:56] How about `ssh -X $HOST`, then `midori &` on the host? [01:56] same thing [01:57] Right. Can your ssh target host find your display host over the network? [01:57] doesn't seem like it.. [01:58] I tried export DISPLAY=:1 and DISPLAY=:0 [01:59] maybe i'll see if i can have better luck with firefox [01:59] nope [01:59] I'd recommend instead trying to get xterm to work, or something else similarly simple as a test case. [02:01] persia: what should DISPLAY be set to? [02:02] It should autoset: it gets different values. Probably something like "localhost:${X}.0" [02:02] it doesn't get set to anything [02:03] In a quick test I just ran, X was 10 for one combination of hosts, but it's not reliable. You can look at the output of `netstat -ntl` to see on which port things are listening, for "localhost:10.0", I had a new listener on port 6010 [02:05] i wonder if i'm missing something I need to make it work... [02:07] this sucks... i have no reason to run the app on my server other than needing to access the site from that ip and only a javascript supporting browser will work [02:10] I wonder if I could proxy that URL through my server...... [02:13] :10 is just because ssh -X starts from there [02:13] It doesn't have to, and if you have >1 it will increase [02:19] I'm trying to have my web server proxy the browser request so it looks like it's coming from that system [02:20] twb, Is there an ssh argument that lets you force it to a specific higher value, or is it always counting from 10? [02:24] eh... trying to proxy like that isn't going to work [02:24] why can't this site just support non-javascript browsing? [02:25] I get a redirect loop when trying to proxy the requests [02:25] persia: not sure [02:25] persia: I don't recall one [02:27] MTecknology: does your ssh daemon on the server allow X11 forwarding? [02:28] greppy: as far as i can tell, ya [02:28] I suppose one could do something with -R, but I don't see anything in the manpage. [02:28] persia: ssh -X also does MIT cookie dance with xauth(1) [02:28] MTecknology: is xauth installed on both ends? [02:29] MTecknology: do you have an X11 server running on your client machine? [02:30] AH! [02:30] missing xauth [02:30] now for the fun... waiting for all the traffic [02:31] twb, Looks like it does an extra hack & proxy, with different key matter on each machine when dancing too. That's kinda nifty. [02:32] The xauth dance is normal for remote X [02:32] aahhh.... segfault after midori loaded [02:32] MTecknology: read /usr/share/bug/midori/presubj [02:33] (Unfortunately Ubuntu users don't see that, because they use stupid apport instead of reportbug :-////) [02:33] i don't have either of those apps installed :P [02:33] firefox seems to be working with xauth installed too [02:34] couldn't be too much slower - but it's working :) [02:34] twb, The issue is more that apport is overly intelligent, but doesn't collect reportbug data. There's entire libraries of support hooks, etc. which are completely different. [02:34] persia: well, I also hate that apport works by firing up a browser [02:35] It can also just hand you a url. [02:35] Shouldn't do that on servers by default: it should just prepare some data and instruct one to open a browser (potentially somewhere else). [02:35] IIRC that's was apport-cli does. [02:36] ScottK: but if you're on a prison server, and you don't have access to the internet, you can't just have it collect information and generate a message ready for me to manually copy out and pass straight to sendmail(8) on a networked machine [02:36] ScottK, I thought it offered the choice of trying with sensible-browser *OR* exiting so you could use a browser somewhere else. [02:36] It may. [02:36] persia: last time I looked it called w3m because that was the only browser installed [02:36] twb, Yes you can: you just transport the .crash file to somewhere else, and process it htere. [02:36] persia: and it did so AFTER trying to HTTP POST a binary blob of info [02:36] persia: what .crash? [02:37] persia: usually I'm running apport-bug by hand to report something like "frobozzd ignores --disable-ipv6 argument" [02:37] The one in /var/crash that apport assembled (the aforementioned binary blob that needs be POSTed) [02:37] persia: oh [02:38] persia: see, I had no idea there was a /var/crash, though I read the apport manpages [02:38] (you can use apport-retrace and related tools to unpack the blob if you're curious) [02:38] Documentation bug: please run "ubuntu-bug apport" to report it. [02:39] :-) [02:39] IIRC the other problem I ran into (this was some time ago) was that the networked machine wasn't ubuntu, and I couldn't easily work out how to submit the blob with a "dumb" MTA or browser or so [02:40] I guess the bottom line is that I liked reportbug, and I didn't see any need to throw it away [03:05] The only problem is it doesn't report bugs to our bug tracker. [03:05] When it used to 'work' it just sent mail to the ubuntu-users ML and depended on someone to report the bug by hand. [03:06] That value of working is just useless. [03:36] facebook needs to die.... :( I can't understand why people think it's a decent chat platform [03:38] MTecknology, preach it! [03:40] SpaceBass: I'm trying to just ever so simply make bitlbee connect to facebook so I don't need to log into that ugly thing === Jasonn is now known as JasonnAWAY [03:40] !away > JasonnAWAY [03:40] JasonnAWAY, please see my private message [03:45] MTecknology: lol, if my friends wanted to talk to me, they usually just go to my website and it have a chat thingy [03:56] ScottK: yeah, I realize that [03:56] ScottK: but that's because you first replaced debbugs with LP :P [03:56] Actually it was bugzilla first. [04:08] twb: Ubuntu never used debbugs [05:53] Hello! [05:53] Is anyone here? [05:58] no [05:58] !anyone [05:58] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [06:17] when apache is installed; does it auto start @ boot? [06:19] flowbee: (1) Try it and see. (2) Yes. The huge majority of daemons are packaged so that if you install them, they will be run by default. [06:19] probably a dumb question; but is mysql-server running locally on my web server needed if i'm connecting to a remote mysql server [06:20] flowbee: depends on you, but i usually keep it running as I sync data so incase the remote get corrupted, local can take over [06:20] flowbee: It's not needed, but having it around might be smart. [06:21] i see [06:21] is there a way to keep it installed but disable it from startup [06:21] so it doesnt autostart? [06:21] in /etc/init.d [06:22] well i realize the init script is there; just dont know how to disable it on startup [06:23] update-rc.d foo --disable [06:23] thank you [06:23] make that update-rc.d foo disable [06:30] System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/mysql do not exist. [06:31] not my problem [06:31] haha ;) [06:31] MySQL is now an Upstart job. [06:31] !upstart [06:31] Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model. For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ [06:31] ok how do i have upstart not start up mysql on startup [06:32] this looks good: http://anonir.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/ubuntu-lucid-disable-services-from-starting-during-boot/ [06:33] so much to learn ; every day :) [06:34] Upstart only makes things easier and more flexible to manage. [06:34] Not every service has been converted to use Upstart... [06:39] so it seems even after doing: udpate-rc.d /etc/init.d/apache2 enable; that apache2 is not starting up when i boot up ubuntu 10.04 lts server. and yes if i do it manually: "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" it works great [06:42] julian_c: ahahaha [06:42] julian_c: if by "flexible" you mean bugger-all debugging, zero determinism and cyclic dependencies [06:45] Didn't say it was perfect yet (esp. Lucid). [06:46] hi folks i think i've royally messed up apache2 on startup up... [06:46] i found out i need to pass defaults instead of enable [06:46] sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults ===> System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist. [06:46] how do i fix my evilness [06:46] The vast majority of problems I've had with Ubuntu has been NM and upstart [06:47] flowbee: pastebin "find /etc/rc?.d/ -ls" [06:50] twb, https://gist.github.com/994712 [07:54] Hello all, I want to let my machines connect to ipv6 using a tunnel that i created on my ubuntu-server. I followed some guides but im stuck now. My machines in my network do get IP's from radvd but they can't ping outside addresses. Anything I should look at? === smb` is now known as smb === skrewler_ is now known as skrewler === skrewler_ is now known as skrewler [09:16] New bug: #788998 in samba (main) "winbind hang after 10 hours, Kerberos and DNS related" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788998 === skrewler_ is now known as skrewler [11:06] hi folks, ubuntu server 10.04 lts keeps telling edac mc0 errors anything more known about this prob? [11:27] Hey there guys [11:28] I am newb when it comes to this. I have an VPS and my site on it. I was wondering if someone can tell me how can I run 2 sites from my VPS (Ubuntu 10.04) ? Can someone tell me this, please? Thanks! [11:34] hi guys... i have ubuntu 10.04 LTS installed on my aces aspire netbook.... After installing pdfedit, the touchpad is behaving erratically.... when I move the cursor, it drags showing a trailing line.... do you guys think that installing synaptics touchpad drivers will help?... please advise [11:57] twister004: sounds more like that you have "stuck" button, or the button raise event was lost, unless if you already tried pressing the left button? [12:06] reisi... there's no issues with the button... it's something at the application level [12:07] scrolling on the touchpad has stopped.... the touchpad functions... but the cursor movement leaves a trail [12:18] twister004: This channel is about Ubuntu Server. You might have better luck in #ubuntu. [12:20] I asked a question about Ubuntu VPS server, but it seams everyone is too lazy to help a noob like me :) [12:21] drunkyduck: yes, all of the unpaid volunteers are too lazy to help you. [12:21] heh [12:22] drunkyduck: you can create a new apache config in /etc/apache2/sites-available (check out the default site for inspiration) [12:22] drunkyduck: then when its ready, man a2ensite [12:22] drunkyduck: you'll also want to look up information on apache virtual hosting [12:23] drunkyduck: (lucky for you I am a paid employee and an insomniac, so I can help you. :) [12:23] lol :) [12:23] Thanks SpamapS, I already researched before I came here. I wasn't researching only today but last few weeks. This channel was my last chance to find help. [12:24] I have a step-by-step guide which I use everytime I install my site on unmanaged VPS and it works. But I cannnot afford it to have 3 sites on 3 separated VPS just because I don't know how to set all 3 on one VPS :) [12:24] thats I'm trying to learn that. [12:25] i've heard that on ubuntu 11.04 some folders are moved and that PIL (python imaging library) can't find jpeg/zlib when compiled. any ideas what changed? [12:26] aljosa: multiarch [12:27] Thanks again SpamapS, I will try to look for that sites-available and see if I can figureout something ! [12:27] aljosa: means PIL is not looking in the right places for the libraries most likely. [12:28] drunkyduck: /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz should help [12:28] hi all - I want to remove all desktop components and end up with something like ubuntu server - trying to remove ubuntu-desktop gnome* xserver* still leaves a lof of things, such as compiz and it's attemping to install a lot of libqt things [12:28] what is the best way to remove all the desktop parts? [12:28] does that apply for Ubuntu? I know that Ubuntu is buited on debian. [12:41] drunkyduck: yes [12:42] thanks. I will download that file and see whats inside it. [12:42] it should be README.Package but c'est la vie, when Debian was created, derivitives weren't really considered. [12:42] its just a text file [12:42] less /path/to/it [12:42] I tried to open it with 'nano' but its empty [12:42] so I figureout it must be some archive === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [12:44] its .gz, zless /path/to/it [12:46] New bug: #789097 in samba (main) "tdb2.so undefined symbol: dyn_get_STATEDIR (source code typo)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789097 [12:46] ah, its open. THANKS SpamapS. I guess zless is something that reads *.gz type of files? [12:48] drunkyduck: .gz is just compressed with gzip ... zless runs less and gzip in a smart way to uncompress the file [12:49] drunkyduck: less is a text file viewer [12:49] I understand. thanks! === unreal_ is now known as unreal [14:15] feature idea: do-release-upgrade should poke a hole in iptables for port it opens during upgrade :) [14:27] I'm a real Noby, does ubuntu server have a GUI? [14:27] <_ruben> no [14:28] okay, thanks a lot. [14:28] actually, what is different about ubuntu server, I mean, in comparison with ubuntu desktop ? === hallyn_afk is now known as hallyn [14:28] <_ruben> different kernel, lack of gui, etc [14:28] different set of installed apps, no GUI, slightly different kernel designed around a server environment vs desktop [14:28] ubuntu desktop has a gui :) [14:30] I'm planing to have my own, ftp server, is Ubuntu server suitable ? [14:31] <_ruben> sure [14:31] ok, what about documentation, as good as ubuntu desktop ? [14:32] <_ruben> guess so, there's the server guide which should be a decent starting point [14:34] okay, what's different between having an ubuntu desktop server, or fedora, or Arch, or whatever, there's something special with ubuntu ? [14:35] the community is special, thank you, thank you [14:35] pmatulis: yes, that's true, at least with ubuntu desktop, guess it's the same with server [14:36] <_ruben> "ubuntu desktop server" .. sounds a bit like a contradiction [14:36] nerdshell: ubuntu has the LTS release which is typically geared towards servers [14:36] !LTS | nerdshell [14:36] nerdshell: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [14:38] nerdshell: ubuntu server standard install is lean (garbage not installed) and does not have ports open [14:39] Hayeg [14:40] what? [14:42] New bug: #766352 in nova (universe) "novarc in nova.zip does not work perfectly as .eucarc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766352 [14:42] any screen experts here? [14:43] sigh, just ask your question [14:44] ok when my server start up i have a process that is started in sscreen and then that screen session detaches. sometimes that process crashes. how do i redirect a script to restart that process in the original window [14:47] Doonz: you can try starting the original session with a tag (-S) and then having a cron job check every few minutes for that session and re-attach? [14:47] * RoAkSoAx recommends byobu [14:47] :P [14:48] Doonz: Or write some sort of wrapper around the program that crashes that just re-runs it after it ends. [14:48] screen -d -m -S <-- thats whats in the script [14:49] sorry im not a programmer [14:51] so thats what that cord is for [14:51] lol [14:53] i think ive found what i need [14:53] i beleive its the -X switch [14:54] X Send the specified command to a running screen session. [15:08] I have a procmail problem. I want to copy mail from *@place.co.uk [15:08] to me@myaddress.com. The following stanza in .procmailrc copies *all* mail [15:08] :0: === SteveCUG is now known as Steve[cug] [15:23] autofs5 should die a firey death === med_out is now known as medberry [15:46] Hi, my vhost in apache isn't working... my config - http://paste.ubuntu.com/613787/ [15:52] Lcawte: what's not working? looks fine from here (but pointing to an empty directory) [15:52] shauno: the point is, that directory has stuff in [15:53] that would appear to be a problem then :) [15:53] have you restarted apache since you pointed it there? [15:56] shauno: multiple times including a full reboot (been like that for a week) [15:56] shauno: and the files are owned by www-data [15:57] ah; try DocumentRoot rather than ServerRoot [15:57] hmm, strange, always used documentroot :| [15:58] me too. but you didn't in that paste [15:58] I meant I always use ServerRoot, but DocumentRoot fixed it ;D [15:59] hey guys im trying to script something so that it will restart a process in an already established screen session. screen -X -m -S sessionid program <-- is that correct? [16:00] Hm. Has anyone heard rumours from IBM about supporting lin_tape on ubuntu servers? or are our choices still rhel or aix (or solaris/sles/asianux, but I'm not counting those) [16:00] shauno: any knowledge of enabling mods? I moved the mod_rewrite.load or .conf into the enabled dir, but the rewrite doesn't seem to be working (its in a .htaccess) [16:01] shauno: (and yeah, I've restarted) [16:02] Lcawte: I believe that's the AllowOverride option. I believe the default is None for any path that hasn't been explicitely stated [16:02] * Restarting web server apache2 apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName [16:02] ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName [16:05] google would do better than me, because I don't know off-hand what options there are between 'none' and 'all'. but I understand .htaccess is completely ignored if it's set to none [16:08] Fixed it :) [16:24] shauno: any idea about that server name error? [16:24] smoser: ping [16:25] zul, here [16:26] smoser: so when running cloud-init without ec2 how does that work? [16:27] you need to populate /var/lib/cloud/data/seed [16:28] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/files/head:/doc/examples/seed/ [16:28] Lcawte: it's not really a problem, it's just being pedantic. it usually means /etc/hostname just has 'name' rather than 'name.domain.com'. if 'host --fqdn' doesn't give you a fully qualified name, apache won't find it either [16:28] it doesn't actually prevent anything working tho; especially if you're using named vhosts for everything [16:29] zul: cobbler pathces 41_,42_,43_ are upstremable, however, I think we should not yet forward them cause we might have to improve some stuff there [16:29] argh s/not yet forward them/not forward them yet [16:30] RoAkSoAx: Who is working on that? [16:30] Daviey: I wrote those patches, I'll take care of them [16:31] RoAkSoAx: cool. [16:31] RoAkSoAx: ok...we can still update the upstream git tree when you are happy with them [16:32] zul: oh yeah we can just carry them over , and I'm pretty sure they will apply cleanly [16:32] I'll take a look at thme next week [16:32] oh they already have [16:42] zul: were you planning on a new cobbler merge soon? [16:42] yeah [16:43] i would like to get into rhythm again that fridays is a new upload for cobbler/nova/glance/swift [16:43] groovy [16:43] Friday is POETS day. [16:44] i like to call it captain insaneo day [17:16] jamespage: do I have local login to the jenkins server? [17:40] hggdh, jamespage is /away [17:40] oh [17:40] kirkland: ping [17:40] ah well. I will do it the hard way... [17:41] hggdh, see if you do :)... ssh ubuntu@jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org ? [17:42] Daviey: Duh. Indeed I get in. How the hell did I forget 'ubuntu'? [17:42] Daviey: thank you sir [17:42] heh [17:53] RoAkSoAx: pong [17:55] kirkland: hey I'm working on PowerNap second stage action when on PowerSave and wanted to get your opinion on something [17:55] RoAkSoAx: cool [17:55] kirkland: should the second stage be always active, or should we allow the user to decide wether thye want it or not? [17:56] RoAkSoAx: second stage would suspend/hibernate/poweroff the system? [17:56] kirkland: yes [17:56] in case of X seconds of inactivity when rtunning on powersave [17:57] RoAkSoAx: definitely don't enable that by default [17:58] RoAkSoAx: let the user opt into turning on 2nd stage [17:58] kirkland: ok, yes, giving it a second though I think it would be best [18:00] (RoAkSoAx, would be good if that was a debconf option :) [18:00] Daviey: didn't think it that way [18:01] Daviey: but would be cool indeed [18:01] kirkland: what do you think setting other settings in debconf?, such as absent_seconds and action to take, or should we keep the ease of installation? [18:02] RoAkSoAx: strong +1 [18:02] RoAkSoAx: well, let's say +1 [18:02] RoAkSoAx: done right, it would be nice [18:02] RoAkSoAx: set it to low, then it is still nice and simples to install [18:03] kirkland: that just gave me an idea: Having different profiles/monitors and ask a question like "What monitors would you like to enable?" and options would be: "HTTP ProcessMonitor, SSH ProcessMonitor" with all default ports and stuff [18:04] but maybe that's too much for debconf and we could rather add that to overwrite the default config [18:04] Daviey: cool.. yeah I think would be awesome to do the debconf [18:25] zul: do you mind pushing an lxc version to oneiric for me, to fix the arm lxc-create bug? It just adds the patch from stgraber. debdiff is at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4-0ubuntu7.2.debdiff [18:25] zul: btw, i asked for 0.7.4 (which i packaged) to be ptu into debian. whenver that happens we can sync and drop a lot of our patches [18:25] (then i can try and push lxcguest to debian :) [18:26] zul: gotta run now, bbl. fwiw, with the package built with that debdiff, i coudl lxc-create and lxc-start on arm - up to the point where it failed bc of missing kernel configs. === hallyn is now known as hallyn_afk [18:35] hallyn_afk: cool will do it [18:37] just a quick question just to be sure. Installing 10.04.2 with a 3ware 9750, but i cannot find any driver on the lsi site [18:38] any suggestion on how to proceed ? [18:39] I accidentally ran a chown -R while I was in /var as root [18:39] !paste [18:39] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [18:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/613851/ [18:40] what needs changing back? [18:41] New bug: #789229 in multipath-tools (main) "using a blacklist and a blacklist_exception section results in multipathd filtering out paths it shouldn't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789229 === medberry is now known as med_out === hallyn_afk is now known as hallyn [19:42] New bug: #789260 in pptpd (main) "Please merge pptpd 1.3.4-3 (main) from debian unstable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789260 [20:00] zul, you mind if i merge 'nut' ? [20:00] smoser: be my guest [20:02] New bug: #789266 in cobbler (universe) "Cobbler: Missing yum-utils & other cobbler related utils" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789266 [20:12] Is there a way to kill a process that has DL in the ps status ? [20:34] arghhhh just spend an hour and a half figuring out which 3ware driver to download and which ubuntu iso [20:35] appearently LSI thinks that 10.04.2 has a 32-24 kernel instead of the 38-8 that it has [20:44] kirkland: what do you think... before taking ACTION in STAGE2, should we set the hardware back to original (pm-powersave false), or should we do that later, right after the machine wakes up from the second stage (such as waking up from a suspension/hibernation) [20:45] RoAkSoAx: doing an interview atm, ping you after [20:45] kirkland: ok, enjoy ;) === med_out is now known as medberry === JasonnAWAY is now known as Jasonn === skrewler_ is now known as skrewler [21:42] New bug: #789323 in nut (main) "Please merge nut 2.6.0-2 (main) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789323 [22:12] jamespage: if you happen to pass by... Jenkins seems dead on the water. Cannot even SSH into the server [22:14] smoser: around? [22:14] here [22:14] smoser: I noticed natty has a new hypervisor in the query interface on uec-images: hvm [22:15] I don't know since when, but I just noticed it today [22:15] smoser: anything in particular about using it? Or just selecting the AMI is enough? [22:15] those are cluster compute types [22:15] ah, for that über machine? [22:15] they can only be run with instance types cc.X [22:16] ah, cool, ok, got it [22:16] smoser: thanks [22:27] New bug: #789347 in nagios-plugins (main) "Please merge nagios-plugins 1.4.15-4 (main) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789347 === JayFo is now known as JFo