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ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Future LoCo Team Portal Plans - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/26/future-loco-team-portal-plans/00:28
AzelphurAnyone know if it's possible to do live statistics in libreoffice?01:32
kernelcodeHas anyone had problems with Nvidia notebook video cars recently? I'm not even sure if the updater updates proprietary drivers, but I've been having some issues which seem to have appeared out of the blue01:41
kernelcode*cards01:41
hamitronkernelcode: what types?01:56
hamitronor type01:58
hamitron:)01:58
kernelcodeI haven't managed to nail it down to a specific scenario, but basically compiz seems to consume 100%+ CPU and the system becomes unusable02:09
kernelcodeSeems like it might be related to the screensaver (I have GLMatrix or whatever it's called)02:10
diploMorning all08:01
DJonesMorning08:09
MartijnVdS\o08:09
shaunohm, this could be fun.  plugged a box in and fired it up before I went to work.  arrived to discover I used the wrong ethernet port, and it hasn't been assigned any v408:24
MartijnVdSshauno: time to fix it tonight :)08:25
shaunopft, too easy.  gonna find a v6 resolver and see if I can carry on regardless08:26
MartijnVdSv6 \o/08:27
MartijnVdSshauno: also.. google has public v4 resolvers08:27
=== denny- is now known as denny
shaunoif I had a v4 route I'd be using my isps :)08:28
shaunoit's picked my router up as an RA, but I can't add it properly without running the stupid gui thing locally08:29
MartijnVdSshauno: you can ssh using the fe80:: address, then fix it from there08:31
* DJones really must be more awake in the morning, just reading about the the remake of Total Recall to star Colin Farrell as Douglas Quaid and though they were talking about Colin Firth :)08:32
shaunofound it easy enough; just asked arp on my laptop.  but can't make any changes on the router from here :/08:32
MartijnVdShttp://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x811.html08:35
shauno6 is working fine.  it's just a bit broken because that's all I've got :/08:38
MartijnVdSshauno: well, v6 gets you google and youtube08:40
MartijnVdSand facebook08:40
MartijnVdSwhat more do you need ;)08:40
MartijnVdSoh and some Dutch news websites08:40
MartijnVdSand freenode08:41
shaunoit's being really grumpy trying to reach security.debian.org :/08:46
MooDoohello08:48
JGJonesGreetings08:48
czajkowskiAloha08:54
shaunohm, not just grumpy .. it simply never gets there08:59
MooDoomorning czajkowski09:00
MooDooshauno: morning09:01
shaunohowdy09:01
czajkowskiI do really like the NHS system over here09:28
JGJones_where?09:28
DJonesczajkowski: Is it not the same in Ireland09:28
gordthere?09:28
czajkowskiDJones: gods no09:29
DJonesOn the stairs?09:29
czajkowskiJGJones_: Aldershot09:29
czajkowskidearg gods DJones and JGJones_ talk about confusing nicks to see one after another09:29
czajkowskidanfish: ping09:29
=== eightbitraptor_ is now known as eightbitraptor
MooDooczajkowski: nice that she phoned you back :)09:30
* DJones considers nicking to DGJones to confuse czajkowski even more09:30
JGJones_heh09:31
czajkowskiDJones: stop hanging around with MooDoo and Davmo2, clearly leading you astray in the tormenting of me09:31
JGJones_I hereby claim that I had my nick first!09:31
Mezczajkowski: what's made you say that you like the NHS system?09:32
AlanBellI declare it to be breakfast time09:32
JGJones_had it since November 197709:32
czajkowskithe excellent gp I've had the aranging of an urgent MRI09:32
czajkowskithe phoning me up with the result to save me going in09:32
DJonesJGJones_: I can see you've had it registered for longer than I've had dgjones registered09:33
czajkowskiAlanBell: eggs on toast09:34
czajkowskior no eggs still09:34
JGJones_you should change it to DGJones...although I'll start thinking you're my brother09:34
DJones:)09:35
kazadegood morning all09:35
AlanBellczajkowski: we are reduced to buying shop eggs09:36
czajkowskioh my09:36
oimonczajkowski: that doesn't sound like my experience of NHS...baby has a fever, nurse at the edoctor's surgery on phone says don't bother us, it's probably teething, turns out to be a bad stomach bug. same story for my wife wen they tried diagnosnig something else down the phone that was completely incorrect09:36
DJonesAlanBell: Why no home laid eggs?09:37
czajkowskithing it depends on the gp09:37
oimonthen when you get an appointment it's over 2 months away09:37
kazadeoimon, move surgery :p09:37
oimonkazade: we are going through that process.09:37
czajkowskiI've also come from working in hospitals while I was in college, so I do know the level of presure they are under09:37
kazadeI've had some amazing experiences with the NHS, they've saved my life in the past09:37
kazadeof course, you do get some crap GPs09:37
czajkowskiI think compared to most of EU NHS by far is excellent09:37
kazadeI've figured out which ones are the best ones around here :)09:37
AlanBellDJones: chickens have gone all menopausal or something09:37
czajkowskiyeah there are gonna be hiccups from time to time09:38
oimonkazade: it's not even the GPs i have problems with, it's the people they put in the way of letting you see them09:38
czajkowskibut to be honest you'll find that in any area09:38
czajkowskioimon: thats hardly an nhs problem09:38
czajkowskithats a hiring issue09:38
czajkowskiand people applying09:38
AlanBellhowever I do have eggs and they need using up and I found some bread in the freezer, so eggs on toast is on the way09:38
MartijnVdSAlanBell: maybe they're distraught by the dead chicken?09:38
AlanBellMartijnVdS: it stopped well before that]09:38
oimonit's a structural/mamangement issue though.09:38
czajkowskioimon: tbh I wouldnt like working as a receptionist in a gp surgery, you're gonna get yelled at no matter what09:38
oimonthe procedures they put in place are ridiculous09:39
oimonthe ones in my surgery gossip terribly in the open about people09:39
kazadeoimon, I've never been to a doctor's surgery where the receptionists DONT gossip openly09:39
oimon:(09:39
shaunoczajkowski: mrs shauno actually ended up in ER in limerick recently .. she was actually pretty impressed by the whole process09:39
* AlanBell posted to a redhat list https://www.redhat.com/archives/virt-tools-list/2011-May/msg00083.html09:40
gordmy weather indicator has given up entirely its been cloud with a ? for days09:40
gordalthough that is how i would mostly describe uk weather...09:40
AlanBellfried or poached I wonder09:40
czajkowskishauno: my old hosiptal09:40
czajkowskiI worked there for 4 years09:40
czajkowski2 when in college and 2 when I finished working in the laboratory doing their documentation09:41
czajkowskiAlanBell: fried egg on toast09:41
czajkowskirunny egg09:41
shaunoshe managed to put 3 breaks in one arm.  they opened it up and stuffed some metal in there.  for less than an ambulance woulda cost her in the states09:41
AlanBellfried it is then09:42
* oimon notices that ubuntu 9.10 is no longer supported09:42
AlanBellthe koala is dead09:46
MartijnVdS:(09:46
MartijnVdSHistory marches on09:46
DJonesShouldn't it be The Koala is dead, long live the Narwhall09:48
oimonthe lynx will outlive the narwhal :P09:48
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:48
MartijnVdS\o biggie calms09:49
bigcalmI do what I can09:49
MartijnVdSbigcalm: (I'm assuming that's your rapper alter ego)09:49
AlanBellnom09:50
bigcalmOm09:56
diploAny one tried build the Sync App syncany recently with success ?10:00
diploHave a few issues when trying to buil with ant10:00
davmor2morning all10:01
AlanBelltop tip, crush a dried chilli and sprinkle over fried eggs for a lovely breakfast treat10:01
davmor2AlanBell: Weirdo ;)10:02
davmor2czajkowski: prod just cause you deserve it :P10:02
oimoni wonder if it hurts chickens to lay eggs10:03
MartijnVdSoimon: ask them :)10:03
oimonthey told me to cluck off10:03
|Dreams|ok my /home folder was encrypted with ubuntu now i went to install fedora 15 and it says it cannot access ICE file so i cant access my home partition is there anyway around this without wiping all my home10:04
MartijnVdS|Dreams|: Did you write down the key for your partition? (Ubuntu notified you about it after your first login)10:05
|Dreams|i saved it i think10:05
|Dreams|but i think i saved it in my home partition lmao10:06
|Dreams|oops10:06
MartijnVdS|Dreams|: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering Your Mount Passphrase10:06
|Dreams|thanks will take a look10:06
oimonanyone used miro? what's good about it?10:15
popeyi have in the past10:18
popeynice if you want to centralise where/how you get your video/audio stuff10:18
popeylike people do with itunes10:18
oimonthey just released a new version10:18
bigcalmpopey: see the birthday card I did for Hayley?10:18
popeyyeah, big update10:18
popeyyes bigcalm ☺10:18
* bigcalm hopes tomorrow goes well10:19
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:20
bigcalmMorning10:20
MartijnVdSbigcalm: Do you have any reason to assume it won't? :)10:20
brobostigonmorning bigcalm10:20
MartijnVdS\o brobostigonman10:20
brobostigongood morning MartijnVdS o/10:21
bigcalmMartijnVdS: I guess not. Just want it to be a good day for her10:21
Laneygood morning10:26
oimonbeen using chromium as my main browser 10hrs a day for a couple of weeks now, still not sure if it's for me yet10:26
oimonLaney: congrats on your debian account :D10:27
Laney\o10:28
oimonjust installed miro4 ..looking a lot like itunes10:33
popeyyeah, it's pretty sweet10:33
MooDooi use miro :)10:34
oimoni quite like the handling of video files10:34
davmor2MooDoo: boyacka me snizzly diddly or something like that,  'Ow am ya me owld mukka10:35
LaneyI see they showcase the mac interface10:35
oimoni wonder why it isn't mentioned more on linux10:36
MooDoodavmor2: bang tidy matey....10:36
davmor2MooDoo: I think these young uns can keep their gibberish10:36
MooDoodavmor2: i meant ubuntu what's all that about?10:36
davmor2MooDoo: I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you :D10:37
MooDoodavmor2: eeeeeeeeeeek10:38
davmor2MooDoo: so it started off in 2004 when a man with a lot of money thought I know I'll do something cool......stabs MooDoo10:39
shaunoyou need a lot of money to stab MooDoo ?10:40
MooDooshauno: nah i'm cheap10:40
shaunonot quite sure how to reply to that10:42
gord... stoopid steam sales, they always get me10:45
diploWats on gord ? Not booted my PC for a few weeks10:45
gordfarcry 1 + 2, not great games but cheep10:46
gord£3 for both10:46
diploOoooh10:46
diploMight have to  boot PC up when I get home10:46
diplo:D10:46
gordoffer will be off by 6pm btw10:46
diplo:(10:46
gordstore.steampowered.com :)10:47
gordyou don't need to be home10:47
diploah yes10:47
diplota :)10:47
oimongord: work ok on wine?10:49
gordoimon, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13613 - http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=1423810:50
gordkinda?10:50
popeyyou're a bad man10:50
* popey opens steam10:51
oimonare they big downloads?10:51
oimonthinking fc210:51
shaunofreedom haters :/10:51
bigcalmAnd happy to be10:51
gordfarcry 1 should be about cd sized, 2 should be dvd sized10:52
diploCheers gord  :)10:52
diploPurchased :)10:52
popeyhmm, cant get steam connected via proxy10:52
bigcalmWatching the videos for Farcry 210:52
oimonhowever wine+intel graphics...i should proably pass10:52
gordintel graphics + games, you should probably pass ;)10:53
popeyfar cry complete $7.4910:55
popeysilly steam showing me prices in USD10:55
bigcalmHehe10:55
bigcalm£3.7410:55
kazadeI've thus far never bought anything on Steam, much prefer Gog.com :)10:55
diploNever tried gog10:56
kazadediplo, you are missing out :)10:56
bigcalmExpendables is on GoG10:56
bigcalmAnd Postal 210:56
diploWill take a look now, not doing much work10:56
kazadeno DRM, ultra cheap and largely Wine friendly10:56
diplo:D10:56
kazadeI copy all the installers to U1 so that I always have a backup, even if they go under or something10:56
* oimon has a health and safety meeting at 11am ...kill me now please10:56
gordgog is great, you get the coolest extras. proper nice pdf manuals - wallpapers, soundtracks, all just thrown in for a great price10:56
* kazade notices Rayman Forever has just been added on Gog10:57
* oimon wonders if gord should do voiceovers10:57
kazadeoimon, if we killed you now, it would probs violate Health + Safety ;)10:57
oimonkazade: nah, it's more about box ticking than actualh health or safety10:57
oimonour lift is a deathtrap but nobody cares10:58
oimonand our building appears to be made from  asbestos10:58
* davmor2 cocks shotgun places it against oimon head and pulls the trigger.......click.......Damn you need shells for these things on tv they shoot forever10:58
bigcalmFinaly, the upgrade to 30mb bb is being put to good use ;)10:58
oimonon tv you can dodge bullets10:58
gordpretty sure i can dodge bullets in real life, doesn't look that hard10:59
oimonafter the gun is fired?10:59
oimonbullet time10:59
gordsure, i mean, you just kinda wave about. easy10:59
oimonyou can even dodge explosions it seems10:59
oimonbomb explodes, then yo get time to dive behind a car11:00
* popey wonders if the old gollup games are on gog.com11:00
oimonrather than shrapnel embedded in your skull at 500mph11:00
davmor2gord, oimon: Why dodge them on tv you can get shot in the eye and the bullet crumples all you need is an outfit with a red cape11:00
oimonhmm late for meeting lol11:00
gordi should so start wearing capes. capes are awesome11:00
gordand a cane11:00
popey*gollop11:01
DJonescapes & a cane? Isn't that the phantom of the opera?11:01
gordi heartily recommend http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/syberia :) fun adventure game about clockwork machines and a train riding through northern Russia - played it through wine back in the day11:02
kazadeit's a good idea to follow @gogcom on Twitter so you can catch the amazing offers they have on11:03
kazadeGot "The Witcher" for $4.99 the other day11:03
kazadestill haven't played it, the download is about 9G (!)11:03
kazadelooks awesome though11:04
popeynothing leaping out at me on gog11:06
davmor2popey: in that case you need to put you 3d glasses on11:06
kazadeIn my account I've got: Myst, Interstate '76, Empire Earth, The Witcher, Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Manhatten Project and Unreal Tournament (also a bunch of freebies I've never played)11:07
shaunogotta admit I didn't find gog too interesting either.  especially not at the same prices I bought them for the first time around11:07
gordgog has baldurs gate 2....11:08
gordwhats wrong with you people =\11:08
davmor2kazade: does myst work under wine?11:08
davmor2gord: +1 popey has no taste in games though :D11:08
kazadedavmor2, I *think* that Gog have wrapped it with DosBox, I know I had it working fine on Ubuntu when I was playing it a few months back11:09
gordthe only reason i don't own baldurs gate 2 on gog is because i actually need to get work one11:09
gord*done11:09
* kazade spots Earthworm Jim 1+2 (!)11:09
kazadeMust. Not. Spend. Money.11:10
kazadeFarcry is on there, but much more than on Steam $9.9911:10
kazadealthough, DRM free of course ;)11:10
davmor2popey: Do you not see the alone in the dark quadillogy11:10
kazadegah, who mentioned gog.com! I'm gonna end up spending money!11:13
kazadeoh, it was me..11:13
popeyoooo11:14
* kazade thinks that Gog.com should open up their service to game developers for publishing new games11:19
gordlike they did with witcher 2?11:19
kazadethe Witcher 2 is by the same people that run Gog.com11:19
kazadeCDProjekt11:20
kazadeI think11:20
gordah ok11:20
gordit would be weird to have lots of new games on good old games dot com11:20
kazadeyeah, they need gng.com ;)11:20
kazadethe whole system they have there is great though11:21
kazadeI did tweet them and ask if they would consider opening it up to indies to publish their games, they said they might do in future, but at the moment they have enough on their plate :)11:22
davmor2popey, gord: They got Vampire The Masquerade - Redemption on gog.com I loved that game played it for months11:22
gordyeah thats a wonderful game, crashy.. really really crashy. but wonderful11:23
davmor2wow another world man I feel this warm nostalgic feeling must play absolute 80's to complete the feeling :D11:30
popeyhttp://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/27/rumor-apple-testing-macbook-air-with-a5-processor/11:41
* popey imagines that running Ubuntu11:41
gordi can't imagine apple switching to arm, unless they went for a fully iOS macbook or something11:43
gordwould be cool to get a full laptop with arm though11:43
shaunoit's an odd idea; almost makes sense on the Air, makes little sense anywhere else.  but I've a friend who claimed that was the plan all along, and now feels vindicated11:44
seekershauno: did your friend predict the Air, or the whole of the apple line?11:49
Laneyvindicated because apple are rumoured to have made a test machine?!11:50
Laneyhah11:50
MartijnVdSSounds like a perfect time to start disallowing "normal" apps and work everything into their appstore model11:50
shaunoseeker: he's been claiming arm is next ever since they went that way for the ios platform11:51
seekerNext what though?11:51
seekerYou aren't answering the question :P11:52
shaunoas he'd have it, replacing intel11:52
seekerNo reason to feel vindicated then11:52
shaunoyet :o)11:52
seekerI predict ubuntu will be installed on every computer in the world! Oh, look, one person is trying it out, I feel so vindicated :P11:53
seekerThere will always be a market for high end processors, which I don't think ARM are in a position to deliver11:53
shaunothat was pretty much people's response when rumors of apple intel first came out.  and when rumours of the iphone first came out11:54
TwinkletoesIn 8.04, I was able to use the Windows Xming client with plink, and start "gnome-session" to get a full desktop.  the same doesn't work for 10.04+.  Has anything changed?11:54
seekerIntel being in a desktop machine? IMPOSSIBLE! Oh...wait11:54
seekerDesktop processors are designed to run on ~100w of power11:55
seekerARMs processors are designed to run on milliwatts11:55
seekerThere is a big difference11:55
LaneyI really don't understand the whole ARM/Linaro situation11:56
Laneypeople are talking about running servers on ARM chips and not needing cooling11:56
shaunothere is.  and being that apple sell a *lot* more laptops than desktops, it's not an insignificant difference11:56
Laneyso I wouldn't say they are exclusively for low end systems11:57
Laneymaybe currently they don't stack up, but certainly not in the future11:57
seekershauno: Some people want performance laptops too. ARM don't have any products that can reasonably compete with an i7 @ 2.2 GHz11:58
shaunoI just think it's pretty short-sighted to write it off just yet11:59
Neotiany one want to go in to business with me selling voip, onsite PBX's and hosted phone solutions ?12:00
seekerIm not saying that it will never happen. But ARM don't have any products announced that can fill that sort of Market. And it will take 3 or 4 years from them announcing the IP before any chips start to appear.12:01
seekerAnd Intel is looking to move towards ARM level stuff - the Atom will be on 14nm by 201412:03
shaunoapple apparently had osx running on x86 since before 10.0.  and they do have the core of the OS running on arm today in ios. I don't think any of this is about things we'll see in 12 months12:03
shaunowhen you throw in things like them buying PA Semi 3 years ago, the chip company that was started by the guy that designed the Alpha procs .. they're certainly up to something12:04
seekerHaving an ARM binary is different from ARM having IP that can compete with Intel in anything but the low end Market12:05
seekerYeah, they are making the A4 and A5 :P12:05
shaunothey're still samsung cores12:05
shaunothat's what people thought PA Semi was being bought for, but it hasn't shown up yet12:05
BigRedSoimon: yeah :)12:06
seekershauno: Wikipedia seems to think apple designed it12:07
BigRedSooh, not sure how that happened12:08
seekershauno: It isn't a standard samsung core that apple just bought, or loads of people would have used the same12:08
seekerChip12:08
shaunothe designs are Intrisity, not PA Semi.  PA have literally just disappeared12:10
seekerOn 11 June 2008, during the annual Worldwide Developer's Conference, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said that the acquisition was meant to add the talent of P. A. Semi's engineers to Apple's workforce and help them build custom chips for the iPod, iPhone, and other future mobile devices.12:12
shaunoright.  a lot of noise when they were purchased.  but they haven't shown up in any products yet12:13
seekerNo, read it again12:14
seekerIt is valid for a company to purchase another company to obtain the engineers that work there12:14
seekerRather than to actually use their products12:14
kaushalHi12:17
kaushalIs there a way to trace a LAN IP12:18
MartijnVdSkaushal: what do you mean?12:18
BigRedSwhat do you mean by 'trace3'?12:18
kaushalI get conflict on a particular IP12:18
BigRedSer, trace12:18
BigRedSoh, so you want to find which machine owns an IP?12:18
kaushalyes12:18
MartijnVdSkaushal: if you have a managed switch, you can log in and ask it where it thinks the mac-address that has that IP is12:18
MartijnVdSbut I think you'll have to use arp (to check which mac address has the IP you want, then check all your devices)12:19
kaushalMartijnVdS: i did it12:19
kaushalarp -d conflictIP and shorewall drop conflictIP12:21
kaushalstill I am able to ping that conflict IP12:21
MartijnVdSkaushal: yes.. just because your local firewall ignores the conflicting IP, doesn't mean the device doesn't have it anymore12:21
MartijnVdSkaushal: you'll have to look at all devices in your network, (physically) find the conflicting machine,  then turn it off/fix it12:22
kaushalMartijnVdS: its very tedious12:22
kaushalright ?12:22
MartijnVdSkaushal: depends on the size of your network12:23
MartijnVdSkaushal: it's harder to check 100 devices than 3 :)12:23
MartijnVdSkaushal: but when you have 100 devices on a LAN, you'd better have managed switches (which can usually tell you where the conflict is, and disable ports on request)12:24
kaushalyes12:24
kaushalok12:24
oimoni wonder what sort of person buys duke nukem forever12:38
MartijnVdSoimon: gamers.12:39
oimonlooks a bit meh12:39
davmor2oimon: it always did, it's only ever been about the mad game play12:40
oimoni thought it was about the infamy of never being released :)12:42
davmor2oimon: no12:45
davmor2oimon: that was just hype12:46
shaunonot sure I'd write that off as just hype.  I mean, the game was announced in what, 96? 97?12:50
* DJones remembers the original 2D Duke Nukem12:51
davmor2shauno: it was tongue in cheek12:51
mrwarmthis this the "real" thing though? When I seen it announced I figured some company had bought the name from 3D realms and rushed out a generic duke game with that title.12:52
shaunoI doubt it's even vaguely related, no12:53
shaunothere market's flooded with generic shooters.  buying a franchise that's 10 years cold has to be a fantastic way to prop up another without requiring any real merit12:54
mrwarmthit does look that way, yes12:54
shauno(if it's actually quakeworld compatible as originally promised, I'll eat the socks I'm wearing)12:55
mrwarmthIt would be great if 3D realms released the source for the one they were actually working for12:56
mrwarmth*on12:56
shaunoI think it'd be funny if they actually released it on the quake2 engine, and just played like they'd been working on it the whole time12:56
mrwarmthwhere did they end up, on the unreal engine?12:58
Twinkletoeshow do I change the screen resolution in 11.04?  There doesn't appear to be any options in System Admin or Preferences12:58
mrwarmthTwinkletoes, can you run gnome-display-properties form the run menu or terminal? I think it's listed in the launcher as display settings but I'm not at my Ubuntu machine atm.13:03
Twinkletoesmrwarmth: IThis seems to be the issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/65292913:19
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 652929 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "maverick gnome-settings-daemon doesn't start (dup-of: 649809)" [Low,New]13:19
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Natty) "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,In progress]13:19
oimoni have a machine with multiple versions of python installed. is there an alternative to doing "export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.6/:/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/" before running python2.6 so that it uses the modules from /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ ?13:24
* AlanBell takes delivery of a large parcel13:33
shaunoargh.  excel needs a 'stop trying to be clever' tickbox :(13:33
shaunojust got an order returned because excel had decided all the part numbers were incremental13:35
* AlanBell hugs czajkowski 13:36
TwinkletoesCan fstab be used to mount a directory onto another directory?13:36
bigcalmTwinkletoes: would a symbolic link be better?13:36
shaunoI believe so, you'd just put bind in the options13:37
Twinkletoesbigcalm: that's my question13:37
czajkowskiAlanBell: *hugs*13:37
bigcalmln -s source_dir target_dir13:37
Twinkletoesbigcalm: so that's better then using fstab and the bind option?13:37
bigcalmIf it's within the same filesystem, I'm not sure what advantage you'd get from putting it in fstab13:38
Twinkletoesbigcalm: I've just moved a huge directory to a different disk13:38
Twinkletoesbigcalm: Sounds like symlink is going to be easier anyway13:38
bigcalmAs long as the other harddisk has been mounted before you try to access the symlink, it'll do what you want13:39
* AlanBell installs a kubuntu CD13:44
PendulumAlanBell: you didn't steal it from the chickens, did you?13:45
AlanBellPendulum: I didn't install it in a computer :)13:47
oimonany python dudes here see my question up there ^^?13:47
AlanBellnow, will their old 10.10 CD still boot I wonder13:47
AlanBellit gets as far as the boot menu13:49
AlanBellbit of a crack in the edge, don't think it is going to work13:49
AlanBellI did wash most of the poop off before putting it in my laptop13:49
oimonsince 4.0 i haven't managed more than 1 day in succession on kde13:50
AlanBellit doesn't fully boot13:51
ubuntuuk-planet[Jonathan Riddell] Joining the Bazaar - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/443514:28
BigRedSoimon: It's not *that* bad, surely?14:30
BigRedSjust don't log out :)14:31
BigRedSmost of the problems I had were it forgetting everything on logout, and having to reconfigure things like workspaces and keyboard shortcuts14:31
oimonBigRedS: it's not bad, bad, just that gnome2+docky really suits my way of working nowadays...i was happy with kde3.5 but i've moved on14:31
BigRedSHaha, I was never really happy with kde3 either. I think I've just got really low standards when it comes to DEs14:33
BigRedSactually, no. All of them really irritate me, but to about the same level14:33
BigRedSso there's nothing much to gain from using any one over the other14:33
oimonwhat i have now is fantastic14:33
oimoninteresting to see if it will still be possible to implement with 12.0414:35
TheAshMan:tabn14:35
BigRedSoimon: docky's the osx-style launcher isn't it?14:39
oimonBigRedS: maybe - i don't use OSX. i have > 50 windows open at any time on virtual desktops , so gnome-panel size reduces to a dot for each app - not very useful14:40
oimonunity launcher doesn't work well either for that setup :(14:41
BigRedSAh, nor do I. I meant the tall thing at the middle bottom of the screen14:43
BigRedSwhere 'tall' is about an inch tall14:43
BigRedSAch, I just googled it and it is what I was thinking it was. I've no idea how it works though, I've only seen screenshots14:43
oimonit is an app launcher + window chooser combined.14:47
oimonexcept that you can also add funtionality, e.g. pidgin shows unread messages, banshee icon allows right-click and play/pause etc.14:47
=== victorp_ is now known as victorp
BigRedSahh14:52
BigRedSthat sounds a bit handy14:52
oimonhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/vvs/14:52
oimonthe dots under the icons show apps that are open, and if there are multiple windows of the same type, you can click right mouse and see the window names14:53
BigRedSoooh14:53
oimonalso u don't then have to worry which virtual desktop your liferea reader is on etc14:54
oimonit switches for you and work continues14:54
oimonwhich is sort of what unity is intended to do, but not quite there yet in terms of functionality i feel14:55
BigRedSI'm a bit tempted to try that, except for the fact that I'm completely conditioned into not using the taskbar14:58
oimoni didn't see the point on my laptop cos i only regularly use 4 windows or so, but at work i leave a huge amount of stuff running for weeks, and it's crucial for my workflow15:01
BigRedSah, yeah. Most of my issue is managing screen, er, screens15:02
shaunoafter 45 minutes of trying to reach someone on the phone, I have a scene from the young ones stuck in my head :(15:24
popey!paste16:06
lubotu3Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)16:06
oimondo all ibook 12 inch laptops have powerpc processors, or some have intel?16:26
shaunoall ibook are ppc16:30
shaunoppc to intel was the ibook/powerbook to macbook/macbook pro rename. so if it's pre-rename, it's pre-intel16:30
oimonumm not sure if it's called ibook :S16:31
Azelphurhmm, why is X using 12% of a i7 95016:31
oimonit's my sisters silver 12 inch laptop, a few years old but still good16:31
AzelphurI mean I know I have a lot of screens, but that's pushing it a bit.16:31
shauno:)  well, all the 12" are ppc, yeah.  the closest now is the Air being in 11 & 1316:31
oimonok thanks guy16:32
oimons16:32
shaunoI think the other giveaway is that all the intel ones are widescreen, I don't think the 12" was16:32
oimoni also have a broken ibook g4 ..is there much market for parts?16:32
oimonthe screen and keyboard are good, the motherboard and dvd drive not so16:32
shaunono idea I'm afraid.  never bought 'em until they started putting sensible processors in them :o)16:33
oimon:P16:33
oimoni gather the motherboard problem on them is well known but apple ignored it16:33
Azelphurah, it was waiting for me to talk about it's high CPU usage in ubuntu-uk so it could crash.16:34
AzelphurX is so silly :p16:34
kaushalHi16:35
kaushalI have google-desktop installed on Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop16:35
BigRedSshauno: but PPC had character!16:35
shaunoanyroad .. off home.  sorry I couldn't be more help with your antique collection ;)16:35
oimon:D16:35
kaushalHow do i make it start after bootup in 11.0416:35
oimonbut wait...i have a thinkpad 600E16:35
oimon:)16:35
shaunoBigRedS: it really wasn't ppc that bothered me.  it was not being able to try it on something I alread owned16:35
kaushalsince i dont see Start Up Applications as it was available in earlier releases of Ubuntu ?16:36
kaushalMartijnVdS: Thanks it worked16:37
kaushalI fixed it on the switch16:37
shaunohm.  I want to go home, but the weather disagrees with me16:38
kaushalBigRedS: Thanks16:39
kaushalANy clue to my query ?16:39
shaunois there anything in preferences with 'session' in it's name?16:40
shauno(educated guesses until someone else joins in)16:40
kaushalshauno: preferences ?16:40
kaushalHow do i see it16:40
kaushalits 11.0416:40
shaunoit's on the menu in the icon top-right (the power icon.  I know.  I don't like that either)16:40
kaushalLots of changes being done16:41
BigRedSkaushal: hm? What did I do?16:42
BigRedSshauno: Ahh, but you still can't really can you?16:42
shaunoI think a sheepish grin is the only honest to that one16:43
BigRedShaha16:43
shaunoI don't feel bad.  I'm on my third of their laptop's since then.  fair game as far as I'm concerned16:43
BigRedSnah, I was more meaning that I thought hackintosh didn't ever really work that well16:44
BigRedSnot that I ever even got it working, so I don't know personally...16:44
shaunoif you can't find startup items or session manager behind the 'power button menu', try just doing alt-f2 and running gnome-session-properties16:44
shaunoBigRedS: sorta .. it works, until it doesn't.  or until a random software update explodes.  or worse.16:45
BigRedShaha16:47
BigRedSthat's what I used to enjoy about Linux :)16:47
shaunoubuntu still explodes on mine, ironically :)16:48
BigRedSOh, I just meant I don't enjoy it any more16:48
shaunoI can't tell if this rain is coming or going :(16:49
kaushalBigRedS: you suggested to look at the Network Switch16:51
kaushalshauno: i saw it16:51
kaushalits there in StartUp Applications16:52
shaunonot a bad guess then :)16:52
kaushalDont know why its not shown as icon in the top right16:52
BigRedSkaushal: oh, cool. That was no problem then! :)16:52
* BigRedS feels all useful16:52
* kaushal has high regards for folks here :)16:53
shaunoI really, really don't like that the icon top-right is the standby icon.  pressing the off switch to get to startup applications is rather unintuitive16:53
kaushalyes16:53
kaushalshauno: Any further clue ?16:54
shaunothat's all I know.  they hid all the preferences behind the off button :)16:54
shaunopast that, I resort to launching things with alt-f216:54
kaushalshauno: Any recommended apps in 11.04 to increase productivity ?16:56
kirrusHas anyone here played with amazon cloudfront before?16:56
BigRedSkaushal: depends what you're producing...16:57
BigRedSq16:58
MichealHpopey, ping17:06
popeyMichealH: pong!17:10
kaushalI have connected USB Datacard on 10.04 LTS, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/613825/17:11
kaushalI have installed usb-modeswitch and usb-modeswitch-data17:12
kaushalIts not getting detected as USB Modem17:12
kaushalAny clue ?17:12
acperkinscan I pull multiple machines into Landscape with a single Advantage subscription, or do I need a subscription for each client?17:13
kaushalI have checked with the rest of the USB Ports too17:13
kaushalStill no luck17:13
kaushalis there a way to measure the battery backup time in laptop running Ubuntu 11.04 ?17:16
MichealHpopey, I PMed If you did not notic17:17
gordwhat do you mean backup?17:17
MichealH*notice17:17
BigRedSkaushal: man acpi  ?17:17
kaushalgord: if i run my laptop in battery mode17:17
MartijnVdSkaushal: just hover your mouse over the battery icon in the top right17:18
gordacperkins, you get five machines with one licence iirc17:18
kaushalBigRedS: Any example ?17:18
gordkaushal, what do you mean by backup?17:18
BigRedSer, I can't remember, but it's not just 'acpi' actually17:18
gorddo you mean how long it takes to recharge?17:18
BigRedSthere's some command to dump the ACPI stats, including battery charge. but, yeah, what do you actually want to do?17:18
kaushalBigRedS: Basically How long does it run on "On Battery Power"17:19
kaushalthe moment i boot my laptop17:19
gordkaushal, click on the battery indicator on the top right, that will show you17:19
kaushalwithout connecting to AC Power17:19
kaushalyes i did it17:20
MartijnVdSkaushal: that shows the time remaining17:20
kaushalyes17:20
kaushalI got it17:20
kaushalBut How long it has run on Battery ?17:20
acperkinsgord: Excellent, thanks17:20
* acperkins starts a free trial17:20
kaushalBasically How long the Battery Gives power to the Laptop until it finally gives up17:21
kaushalright from beginning17:21
MartijnVdSkaushal: oh, it doesn't know that17:21
gordkaushal, charge your laptop, remove the power cord, then look at the estimated time left17:21
kaushalMartijnVdS: is there a way to know it ?17:21
kaushalok17:22
MartijnVdSkaushal: it really depends on what you're doing (if you play lots of games/videos, you'll have less time)17:22
kaushalgord: I missed it17:22
kaushalI mean i did not noticed it17:22
kaushalis it written somewhere to log ?17:22
gordnope17:23
kaushalok17:23
kaushalHow long does it take to fully recharge ?17:23
MartijnVdSkaushal: if you plug in AC power, the countdown-until-empty (click on the battery) will change into countdown-until-full17:24
MartijnVdSkaushal: (the time will change to reflect the time needed to fully charge, instead of fully discharge)17:25
kaushalok17:27
kaushalMartijnVdS: Thanks17:27
kaushalSo i need to keep a watch on the Battery Icon17:27
kaushal?17:28
MartijnVdSkaushal: I think there's a "properties" or "settings" page that opens if you click17:29
MartijnVdSkaushal: you can watch that too.. it has pretty graphs :)17:29
kaushalMartijnVdS: ok17:30
kaushal:)17:30
kaushalI have connected USB Datacard on 10.04 LTS, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/613825/, its not getting detected as USB Modem17:30
kaushalPlease suggest17:30
kaushalAny clue ?17:30
MartijnVdSkaushal: try installing the usb-modeswitch package17:34
kaushali did it already17:34
kaushalstill no luck17:34
MartijnVdSdid you restart after installing? or pull out & plug back in?17:35
kaushalMartijnVdS: yes17:38
kaushalI checked it using different USB Ports too17:38
kaushalMartijnVdS: Do you need more information ?17:38
MartijnVdSI have no idea, sorry17:41
MartijnVdSdon't have that hardware myself17:41
kaushalok17:42
kaushalnp17:42
BigRedSIf I comment on an 'expired' bug does that un-expire it, or should I be opening a new one?17:43
brobostigonkaushal: i have seen this beforem you nee to apply usb-modeswitch to the device, to open it up as a modem, insted of a usb fs.17:43
kaushalbrobostigon: I have it already17:45
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: he said he did that.. usb-modeswitch installs udev magic to do that, afaik17:45
brobostigonkaushal: hmm, ok.17:46
brobostigonMartijnVdS: sorry, i havent been following, fully,17:46
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: no problem :)17:46
brobostigon:)17:46
shaunoit doesn't look like it has done that17:48
shaunough, that was meant to be delete.  I got it the wrong way around :)17:48
MartijnVdSshauno: time for weekend :)17:49
shaunoit looks like that device is 1c9e:1001 before it switches, and 1c9e:6061 after the switch.  so usb_modeswitch has run17:49
MartijnVdSoh17:49
shaunoif it's the same modem as http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120555017:50
shaunoif it's not, and they're sharing usb-id's, it's gonna get even more confusing :)17:51
kaushal:/17:51
kaushalshauno: Shall i pastebin the lsusb Output ?17:54
shaunothe id's in that last paste17:55
kaushalok17:55
kaushalhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/613842/17:56
shaunoit looks like that top line is the right one17:58
shaunothis feels like a silly question, but have you tried setting up a new connecting with it in network-manager?17:58
kaushalBus 002 Device 007: ID 1c9e:606117:59
kaushalthats the one when i unplug and plug it back17:59
shaunobut lsusb still shows the two entries starting 12d1 ?18:00
shaunoyou have in that list 12d1:1446, and 12d1:14ac.  according to http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/browser/trunk/fon/usb-modeswitch/files/usb_modeswitch/12d1%3A1446?rev=164418:01
kaushalthere are 3 USB Datacards attached to that server18:02
shauno12d1:14ac is what you want to end up with when modeswitch has finished18:02
shaunoah18:02
shaunothat'll be why lsusb is showing functional cards then   lol18:02
kaushalshauno: ok18:02
kaushalshauno: Any further clue ?18:03
shaunodoesn't look like I had any clues to start with :/  googling for the other huawei entries had me right up the wrong tree18:05
shaunoaltho I'm curious how well that many cards works.  surely one's the default route, and the rest just sit there blinking?18:09
MartijnVdSshauno: trunking/bonding :)18:11
MartijnVdSshauno: or failover18:11
shaunoI thought bonding needs support on the isp's side.  teclo's rarely do anything, let alone extra18:11
shaunooh, so that box that only had v6 this morning.  I tried to fix it, and now it comes up without any interfaces at all :D18:13
MartijnVdSwoo18:20
shauno(either that, or the kernel update didn't taste nice.  but I'm putting money on it being "I was screwing with it")18:31
shaunodoesn't answer if I just stuff addresses into the arp table either :/18:36
jacobwthis is cool18:45
jacobwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADKdbN8nyY18:45
knightwisehey everyne18:52
jacobwhi knightw18:53
jacobw+ise18:54
jacobwhow do you change the prefered wireless network with nm-applet?19:24
brobostigoni think fail2ban is doing its job, dmesg is showing plenty of iptables/ufw activity.19:25
DJonesIs there a way to check how much memory a video card has?19:35
mgdmDJones: dmidecode or lshw might tell you19:35
DJonesmgdm: Cheers, I'll give that a go19:37
DJonesDoesn't seem to give the info needed19:40
mgdmMight you get it from the Xorg logs?19:42
MartijnVdSlspci -vv might also tell you19:43
DJonesjust found it from suo lspic -vv19:43
DJonesRegion 0: Memory at e5000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Region 1: Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]19:43
MartijnVdSDJones: that could just be the aperture size19:43
MartijnVdSit might have more19:43
DJonesThat reads as 128Mb to me19:44
MartijnVdSit does19:44
DJonesI doubt it'll have much more, its a geforce fx 5200 which should only have 64/128/25619:44
MartijnVdSbut it might have more, with 128M mapped into main memory ("aperture")19:44
DJonessudo apt-get install hardinfo19:44
DJonesGrr19:44
gordyou can't19:44
* MartijnVdS wants Intel to hurry with the Ivy Bridge CPUs19:45
gordin the past the only way i have been able to find out how much memory i can store in graphics memory is by creating small textures and uploading them until i get an error19:45
gordthats not accurate to how much the gpu actually has though, just how much i could grab at that moment19:46
DJoneshardinfo reports 128M prefetchable19:46
DJonesAt least 128Mb will be an improvement on the 64mb on the original geforce 2 card19:47
mgdmHmmm21:00
mgdmAnyone tried to use Brasero recently? It seems to freeze right where it's meant to start burning stuff21:00
czajkowskialoha21:01
mgdm'lo czajkowski21:02
oimonmgdm: i don't have any probs on lucid21:29
hamitronI was gonna try, then realised I have no burner :/21:32
oimonwatching a programme about the band blur that i videoed about a year ago and haven't wtched yet.21:33
oimonmissis is out for the night...oimon is holding the baby21:33
oimoni still prefer k3b to brasero, even on gnome21:33
oimonit never let me down, so it earned my trust21:34
MartijnVdSI've stopped burning CDs mostly21:34
oimonmy car plays mp3s, so i copy 8 albums onto a disc for long journeys21:34
MartijnVdSExcept when I borrow my parents' car :)21:34
MartijnVdSexactly21:34
* hamitron still uses cassette21:35
oimoncurrently backing up programmes from my pvr over usb1 onto laptop...taking 15mins per 1gb file :(21:36
jacobwwhich programe is that oimon?21:36
jacobw'no distance left to run'?21:36
* jacobw is a blur fan :)21:36
oimonjacobw: yep :) loved blur since day 121:37
oimonthey tailed off a bit at the end tho21:37
oimonprob saw them at their best when i was at uni 93-9621:37
jacobwyeah, i think it took a while for they couldn't continue without coxon21:38
jacobwhaving said that, think tank is still a great album21:38
jacobwi only saw them in 2009, i was born in 1991 so i'm a later day blur fan :p21:39
MartijnVdSI only have 13321:39
MartijnVdS1321:39
jacobw13 is only one i haven't got :|21:39
oimoni was in manchester at the time of blur vs oasis21:41
oimonlol21:41
gordpeople who were born in the 90s blow me away, i don't even understand how that is possible21:41
MartijnVdSgord: well, their parents had sex in the 90s21:41
MartijnVdSgord: maybe the latter part of '8921:41
oimoni used to have a thing about people being born after the live aid concert in 8421:41
MartijnVdSoimon: october '80 here21:42
oimoni used to troll them by saying "were you born before or after live aid"..then you don't have a worthwhile opinion :P21:42
oimonwhen i was in my 20s i didn't think i would ever stop loving music like i did21:44
MartijnVdSoimon: when was that? '30?21:44
oimonwhen i stopped being into music so much?21:45
MartijnVdSoimon: no your 20s21:45
oimon:P21:45
oimoni'm 36 now21:45
MartijnVdSah, the 90s :)21:45
MartijnVdSgood old 90s21:45
oimonx factor has killed music inthe last 10 years21:45
* MartijnVdS remembers thos very well21:45
MartijnVdSAce of Base. Dr. Alban21:46
MartijnVdSHappy hardcore 8-)21:46
oimonMartijnVdS: lol, showing your dutch roots21:46
MartijnVdSoimon: probably :)21:46
oimonno no nononono nonono there's no limit21:46
MartijnVdSoimon: yes! 2unlimited21:46
oimonthey used to play ace of bas and 2unlimited 10 x a night on the spanish holidays i went on in the 90s21:47
oimonand nirvana :D21:47
MartijnVdSoimon: they play this now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vURjhSD-FE8 (in Spain)21:47
MartijnVdSoimon: Nirvana \o/21:48
MartijnVdSoimon: ("they play this now" in Spain)21:48
oimonthat's a shame21:48
oimonfeel sorry for the kids of today21:48
MartijnVdSoimon: there is still good music out there21:48
MartijnVdSoimon: (new, good music)21:48
jacobwthis is true :)21:49
oimonyep..here and there21:49
oimonbut i mellow a bit into my 30s so my tastes change21:49
MartijnVdSoimon: Singing women? http://www.youtube.com/nerinapallottv21:49
oimoni like bands like this nowadays http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CkfvYMCWM&feature=related21:51
MartijnVdSoimon: check my link -- Nerina's new song sounds a bit like that :)21:51
MartijnVdSoimon: you might also like: http://www.youtube.com/user/yelle21:52
oimonMartijnVdS: are you still living in NL21:56
MartijnVdSoimon: I am21:56
oimonon ipv621:57
MartijnVdSyes (though I'm ircing from my UK vps which also has v6)21:57
oimoni've been putting off learning ipv6 until a rainy day21:57
MartijnVdSit's not hard, ask HazRPG :)21:58
oimon:)21:58
MartijnVdSoimon: You might want to read his blog if you want to give it a go21:58
oimonmaybe there will be a talk at oggcamp21:58
MartijnVdSoimon: http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/03/31/ipv6-under-ubuntu-10-10/21:59
oimonit upsets me a little since i can remember ip addresses of even the first servers i worked with in my first job22:00
MartijnVdSoimon: ipv6 isn't that hard, as long as you remember the prefix you'll be ok (the host part will be automatic)22:01
oimoni like numbers but ipv6 requires names22:01
MartijnVdSoimon: and dns will fix the rest (\o/ multicast-dns aka mdns aka avahi aka default installed on Ubuntu)22:01
oimonbookmarked for further reading22:02
jacobwdang you've got me listening to blur again22:04
oimonhehe22:04
MartijnVdSisn't the singer the same guy as the Gorillaz guy?>22:04
oimonwanna learn badhead on the piano22:05
oimonyep22:05
mgdmMartijnVdS: aye22:05
* MartijnVdS has a few Gorillaz CDs22:05
MartijnVdS(and Blur - 13)22:05
jacobwplastic beach ftw22:05
MartijnVdSjacobw: Plastic Beach is great :)22:05
MartijnVdSalso, they have the rarest vinyl releases22:06
jacobwi didn't know that22:06
MartijnVdSjacobw: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gorillaz22:06
oimoni'm liking miro for my video playing needs :)22:07
oimonprettier than the usual vlc22:07
MartijnVdSFeel Good Inc is in Guitar Hero 522:07
jacobw!ping22:07
lubotu3Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't.22:07
MartijnVdShttp://www.discogs.com/Gorillaz-Feel-Good-Inc/release/43815022:08
MartijnVdS^ RARE22:08
=== thedoctor is now known as the4thdoctor
MartijnVdSthe4thdoctor: Tom Baker?22:12
jacobwjoin #kllunimati22:50
jacobw>_<22:50
bigcalmNot much of a sales pitch22:52
bigcalmIs there a way to batch convert files from windows to unix format?22:56
bigcalmPhpEd has been silly and saved everything as Windows type files and also not as UTF822:56
dennythis may not be news to anyone, but a recent upgrade seems to have chowned my .gnupg/pubring.gpg to root instead of my local user, so all my GPG stuff stopped working with permission errors.23:32
dennyI think it was yesterday, looking at the file dates23:32
brobostigongood night eveyone, sleep well.23:46
bigcalmGood night brobostigon23:58

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