[00:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Future LoCo Team Portal Plans - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/26/future-loco-team-portal-plans/
[01:32] <Azelphur> Anyone know if it's possible to do live statistics in libreoffice?
[01:41] <kernelcode> Has anyone had problems with Nvidia notebook video cars recently? I'm not even sure if the updater updates proprietary drivers, but I've been having some issues which seem to have appeared out of the blue
[01:41] <kernelcode> *cards
[01:56] <hamitron> kernelcode: what types?
[01:58] <hamitron> or type
[01:58] <hamitron> :)
[02:09] <kernelcode> I haven't managed to nail it down to a specific scenario, but basically compiz seems to consume 100%+ CPU and the system becomes unusable
[02:10] <kernelcode> Seems like it might be related to the screensaver (I have GLMatrix or whatever it's called)
[08:01] <diplo> Morning all
[08:09] <DJones> Morning
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:24] <shauno> hm, this could be fun.  plugged a box in and fired it up before I went to work.  arrived to discover I used the wrong ethernet port, and it hasn't been assigned any v4
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> shauno: time to fix it tonight :)
[08:26] <shauno> pft, too easy.  gonna find a v6 resolver and see if I can carry on regardless
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> v6 \o/
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> shauno: also.. google has public v4 resolvers
[08:28] <shauno> if I had a v4 route I'd be using my isps :)
[08:29] <shauno> it's picked my router up as an RA, but I can't add it properly without running the stupid gui thing locally
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> shauno: you can ssh using the fe80:: address, then fix it from there
[08:32]  * DJones really must be more awake in the morning, just reading about the the remake of Total Recall to star Colin Farrell as Douglas Quaid and though they were talking about Colin Firth :)
[08:32] <shauno> found it easy enough; just asked arp on my laptop.  but can't make any changes on the router from here :/
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x811.html
[08:38] <shauno> 6 is working fine.  it's just a bit broken because that's all I've got :/
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> shauno: well, v6 gets you google and youtube
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> and facebook
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> what more do you need ;)
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> oh and some Dutch news websites
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> and freenode
[08:46] <shauno> it's being really grumpy trying to reach security.debian.org :/
[08:48] <MooDoo> hello
[08:48] <JGJones> Greetings
[08:54] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:59] <shauno> hm, not just grumpy .. it simply never gets there
[09:00] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[09:01] <MooDoo> shauno: morning
[09:01] <shauno> howdy
[09:28] <czajkowski> I do really like the NHS system over here
[09:28] <JGJones_> where?
[09:28] <DJones> czajkowski: Is it not the same in Ireland
[09:28] <gord> there?
[09:29] <czajkowski> DJones: gods no
[09:29] <DJones> On the stairs?
[09:29] <czajkowski> JGJones_: Aldershot
[09:29] <czajkowski> dearg gods DJones and JGJones_ talk about confusing nicks to see one after another
[09:29] <czajkowski> danfish: ping
[09:30] <MooDoo> czajkowski: nice that she phoned you back :)
[09:30]  * DJones considers nicking to DGJones to confuse czajkowski even more
[09:31] <JGJones_> heh
[09:31] <czajkowski> DJones: stop hanging around with MooDoo and Davmo2, clearly leading you astray in the tormenting of me
[09:31] <JGJones_> I hereby claim that I had my nick first!
[09:32] <Mez> czajkowski: what's made you say that you like the NHS system?
[09:32] <AlanBell> I declare it to be breakfast time
[09:32] <JGJones_> had it since November 1977
[09:32] <czajkowski> the excellent gp I've had the aranging of an urgent MRI
[09:32] <czajkowski> the phoning me up with the result to save me going in
[09:33] <DJones> JGJones_: I can see you've had it registered for longer than I've had dgjones registered
[09:34] <czajkowski> AlanBell: eggs on toast
[09:34] <czajkowski> or no eggs still
[09:34] <JGJones_> you should change it to DGJones...although I'll start thinking you're my brother
[09:35] <DJones> :)
[09:35] <kazade> good morning all
[09:36] <AlanBell> czajkowski: we are reduced to buying shop eggs
[09:36] <czajkowski> oh my
[09:36] <oimon> czajkowski: that doesn't sound like my experience of NHS...baby has a fever, nurse at the edoctor's surgery on phone says don't bother us, it's probably teething, turns out to be a bad stomach bug. same story for my wife wen they tried diagnosnig something else down the phone that was completely incorrect
[09:37] <DJones> AlanBell: Why no home laid eggs?
[09:37] <czajkowski> thing it depends on the gp
[09:37] <oimon> then when you get an appointment it's over 2 months away
[09:37] <kazade> oimon, move surgery :p
[09:37] <oimon> kazade: we are going through that process.
[09:37] <czajkowski> I've also come from working in hospitals while I was in college, so I do know the level of presure they are under
[09:37] <kazade> I've had some amazing experiences with the NHS, they've saved my life in the past
[09:37] <kazade> of course, you do get some crap GPs
[09:37] <czajkowski> I think compared to most of EU NHS by far is excellent
[09:37] <kazade> I've figured out which ones are the best ones around here :)
[09:37] <AlanBell> DJones: chickens have gone all menopausal or something
[09:38] <czajkowski> yeah there are gonna be hiccups from time to time
[09:38] <oimon> kazade: it's not even the GPs i have problems with, it's the people they put in the way of letting you see them
[09:38] <czajkowski> but to be honest you'll find that in any area
[09:38] <czajkowski> oimon: thats hardly an nhs problem
[09:38] <czajkowski> thats a hiring issue
[09:38] <czajkowski> and people applying
[09:38] <AlanBell> however I do have eggs and they need using up and I found some bread in the freezer, so eggs on toast is on the way
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: maybe they're distraught by the dead chicken?
[09:38] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: it stopped well before that]
[09:38] <oimon> it's a structural/mamangement issue though.
[09:38] <czajkowski> oimon: tbh I wouldnt like working as a receptionist in a gp surgery, you're gonna get yelled at no matter what
[09:39] <oimon> the procedures they put in place are ridiculous
[09:39] <oimon> the ones in my surgery gossip terribly in the open about people
[09:39] <kazade> oimon, I've never been to a doctor's surgery where the receptionists DONT gossip openly
[09:39] <oimon> :(
[09:39] <shauno> czajkowski: mrs shauno actually ended up in ER in limerick recently .. she was actually pretty impressed by the whole process
[09:40]  * AlanBell posted to a redhat list https://www.redhat.com/archives/virt-tools-list/2011-May/msg00083.html
[09:40] <gord> my weather indicator has given up entirely its been cloud with a ? for days
[09:40] <gord> although that is how i would mostly describe uk weather...
[09:40] <AlanBell> fried or poached I wonder
[09:40] <czajkowski> shauno: my old hosiptal
[09:40] <czajkowski> I worked there for 4 years
[09:41] <czajkowski> 2 when in college and 2 when I finished working in the laboratory doing their documentation
[09:41] <czajkowski> AlanBell: fried egg on toast
[09:41] <czajkowski> runny egg
[09:41] <shauno> she managed to put 3 breaks in one arm.  they opened it up and stuffed some metal in there.  for less than an ambulance woulda cost her in the states
[09:42] <AlanBell> fried it is then
[09:42]  * oimon notices that ubuntu 9.10 is no longer supported
[09:46] <AlanBell> the koala is dead
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> :(
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> History marches on
[09:48] <DJones> Shouldn't it be The Koala is dead, long live the Narwhall
[09:48] <oimon> the lynx will outlive the narwhal :P
[09:48] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> \o biggie calms
[09:49] <bigcalm> I do what I can
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (I'm assuming that's your rapper alter ego)
[09:50] <AlanBell> nom
[09:56] <bigcalm> Om
[10:00] <diplo> Any one tried build the Sync App syncany recently with success ?
[10:00] <diplo> Have a few issues when trying to buil with ant
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01] <AlanBell> top tip, crush a dried chilli and sprinkle over fried eggs for a lovely breakfast treat
[10:02] <davmor2> AlanBell: Weirdo ;)
[10:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod just cause you deserve it :P
[10:03] <oimon> i wonder if it hurts chickens to lay eggs
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ask them :)
[10:03] <oimon> they told me to cluck off
[10:04] <|Dreams|> ok my /home folder was encrypted with ubuntu now i went to install fedora 15 and it says it cannot access ICE file so i cant access my home partition is there anyway around this without wiping all my home
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> |Dreams|: Did you write down the key for your partition? (Ubuntu notified you about it after your first login)
[10:05] <|Dreams|> i saved it i think
[10:06] <|Dreams|> but i think i saved it in my home partition lmao
[10:06] <|Dreams|> oops
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> |Dreams|: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering Your Mount Passphrase
[10:06] <|Dreams|> thanks will take a look
[10:15] <oimon> anyone used miro? what's good about it?
[10:18] <popey> i have in the past
[10:18] <popey> nice if you want to centralise where/how you get your video/audio stuff
[10:18] <popey> like people do with itunes
[10:18] <oimon> they just released a new version
[10:18] <bigcalm> popey: see the birthday card I did for Hayley?
[10:18] <popey> yeah, big update
[10:18] <popey> yes bigcalm ☺
[10:19]  * bigcalm hopes tomorrow goes well
[10:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:20] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Do you have any reason to assume it won't? :)
[10:20] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigonman
[10:21] <brobostigon> good morning MartijnVdS o/
[10:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I guess not. Just want it to be a good day for her
[10:26] <Laney> good morning
[10:26] <oimon> been using chromium as my main browser 10hrs a day for a couple of weeks now, still not sure if it's for me yet
[10:27] <oimon> Laney: congrats on your debian account :D
[10:28] <Laney> \o
[10:33] <oimon> just installed miro4 ..looking a lot like itunes
[10:33] <popey> yeah, it's pretty sweet
[10:34] <MooDoo> i use miro :)
[10:34] <oimon> i quite like the handling of video files
[10:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: boyacka me snizzly diddly or something like that,  'Ow am ya me owld mukka
[10:35] <Laney> I see they showcase the mac interface
[10:36] <oimon> i wonder why it isn't mentioned more on linux
[10:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: bang tidy matey....
[10:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: I think these young uns can keep their gibberish
[10:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: i meant ubuntu what's all that about?
[10:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you :D
[10:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: eeeeeeeeeeek
[10:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: so it started off in 2004 when a man with a lot of money thought I know I'll do something cool......stabs MooDoo
[10:40] <shauno> you need a lot of money to stab MooDoo ?
[10:40] <MooDoo> shauno: nah i'm cheap
[10:42] <shauno> not quite sure how to reply to that
[10:45] <gord> ... stoopid steam sales, they always get me
[10:45] <diplo> Wats on gord ? Not booted my PC for a few weeks
[10:46] <gord> farcry 1 + 2, not great games but cheep
[10:46] <gord> £3 for both
[10:46] <diplo> Ooooh
[10:46] <diplo> Might have to  boot PC up when I get home
[10:46] <diplo> :D
[10:46] <gord> offer will be off by 6pm btw
[10:46] <diplo> :(
[10:47] <gord> store.steampowered.com :)
[10:47] <gord> you don't need to be home
[10:47] <diplo> ah yes
[10:47] <diplo> ta :)
[10:49] <oimon> gord: work ok on wine?
[10:50] <gord> oimon, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13613 - http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14238
[10:50] <gord> kinda?
[10:50] <popey> you're a bad man
[10:51]  * popey opens steam
[10:51] <oimon> are they big downloads?
[10:51] <oimon> thinking fc2
[10:51] <shauno> freedom haters :/
[10:51] <bigcalm> And happy to be
[10:52] <gord> farcry 1 should be about cd sized, 2 should be dvd sized
[10:52] <diplo> Cheers gord  :)
[10:52] <diplo> Purchased :)
[10:52] <popey> hmm, cant get steam connected via proxy
[10:52] <bigcalm> Watching the videos for Farcry 2
[10:52] <oimon> however wine+intel graphics...i should proably pass
[10:53] <gord> intel graphics + games, you should probably pass ;)
[10:55] <popey> far cry complete $7.49
[10:55] <popey> silly steam showing me prices in USD
[10:55] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:55] <bigcalm> £3.74
[10:55] <kazade> I've thus far never bought anything on Steam, much prefer Gog.com :)
[10:56] <diplo> Never tried gog
[10:56] <kazade> diplo, you are missing out :)
[10:56] <bigcalm> Expendables is on GoG
[10:56] <bigcalm> And Postal 2
[10:56] <diplo> Will take a look now, not doing much work
[10:56] <kazade> no DRM, ultra cheap and largely Wine friendly
[10:56] <diplo> :D
[10:56] <kazade> I copy all the installers to U1 so that I always have a backup, even if they go under or something
[10:56]  * oimon has a health and safety meeting at 11am ...kill me now please
[10:56] <gord> gog is great, you get the coolest extras. proper nice pdf manuals - wallpapers, soundtracks, all just thrown in for a great price
[10:57]  * kazade notices Rayman Forever has just been added on Gog
[10:57]  * oimon wonders if gord should do voiceovers
[10:57] <kazade> oimon, if we killed you now, it would probs violate Health + Safety ;)
[10:57] <oimon> kazade: nah, it's more about box ticking than actualh health or safety
[10:58] <oimon> our lift is a deathtrap but nobody cares
[10:58] <oimon> and our building appears to be made from  asbestos
[10:58]  * davmor2 cocks shotgun places it against oimon head and pulls the trigger.......click.......Damn you need shells for these things on tv they shoot forever
[10:58] <bigcalm> Finaly, the upgrade to 30mb bb is being put to good use ;)
[10:58] <oimon> on tv you can dodge bullets
[10:59] <gord> pretty sure i can dodge bullets in real life, doesn't look that hard
[10:59] <oimon> after the gun is fired?
[10:59] <oimon> bullet time
[10:59] <gord> sure, i mean, you just kinda wave about. easy
[10:59] <oimon> you can even dodge explosions it seems
[11:00] <oimon> bomb explodes, then yo get time to dive behind a car
[11:00]  * popey wonders if the old gollup games are on gog.com
[11:00] <oimon> rather than shrapnel embedded in your skull at 500mph
[11:00] <davmor2> gord, oimon: Why dodge them on tv you can get shot in the eye and the bullet crumples all you need is an outfit with a red cape
[11:00] <oimon> hmm late for meeting lol
[11:00] <gord> i should so start wearing capes. capes are awesome
[11:00] <gord> and a cane
[11:01] <popey> *gollop
[11:01] <DJones> capes & a cane? Isn't that the phantom of the opera?
[11:02] <gord> i heartily recommend http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/syberia :) fun adventure game about clockwork machines and a train riding through northern Russia - played it through wine back in the day
[11:03] <kazade> it's a good idea to follow @gogcom on Twitter so you can catch the amazing offers they have on
[11:03] <kazade> Got "The Witcher" for $4.99 the other day
[11:03] <kazade> still haven't played it, the download is about 9G (!)
[11:04] <kazade> looks awesome though
[11:06] <popey> nothing leaping out at me on gog
[11:06] <davmor2> popey: in that case you need to put you 3d glasses on
[11:07] <kazade> In my account I've got: Myst, Interstate '76, Empire Earth, The Witcher, Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Manhatten Project and Unreal Tournament (also a bunch of freebies I've never played)
[11:07] <shauno> gotta admit I didn't find gog too interesting either.  especially not at the same prices I bought them for the first time around
[11:08] <gord> gog has baldurs gate 2....
[11:08] <gord> whats wrong with you people =\
[11:08] <davmor2> kazade: does myst work under wine?
[11:08] <davmor2> gord: +1 popey has no taste in games though :D
[11:09] <kazade> davmor2, I *think* that Gog have wrapped it with DosBox, I know I had it working fine on Ubuntu when I was playing it a few months back
[11:09] <gord> the only reason i don't own baldurs gate 2 on gog is because i actually need to get work one
[11:09] <gord> *done
[11:09]  * kazade spots Earthworm Jim 1+2 (!)
[11:10] <kazade> Must. Not. Spend. Money.
[11:10] <kazade> Farcry is on there, but much more than on Steam $9.99
[11:10] <kazade> although, DRM free of course ;)
[11:10] <davmor2> popey: Do you not see the alone in the dark quadillogy
[11:13] <kazade> gah, who mentioned gog.com! I'm gonna end up spending money!
[11:13] <kazade> oh, it was me..
[11:14] <popey> oooo
[11:19]  * kazade thinks that Gog.com should open up their service to game developers for publishing new games
[11:19] <gord> like they did with witcher 2?
[11:19] <kazade> the Witcher 2 is by the same people that run Gog.com
[11:20] <kazade> CDProjekt
[11:20] <kazade> I think
[11:20] <gord> ah ok
[11:20] <gord> it would be weird to have lots of new games on good old games dot com
[11:20] <kazade> yeah, they need gng.com ;)
[11:21] <kazade> the whole system they have there is great though
[11:22] <kazade> I did tweet them and ask if they would consider opening it up to indies to publish their games, they said they might do in future, but at the moment they have enough on their plate :)
[11:22] <davmor2> popey, gord: They got Vampire The Masquerade - Redemption on gog.com I loved that game played it for months
[11:23] <gord> yeah thats a wonderful game, crashy.. really really crashy. but wonderful
[11:30] <davmor2> wow another world man I feel this warm nostalgic feeling must play absolute 80's to complete the feeling :D
[11:41] <popey> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/27/rumor-apple-testing-macbook-air-with-a5-processor/
[11:41]  * popey imagines that running Ubuntu
[11:43] <gord> i can't imagine apple switching to arm, unless they went for a fully iOS macbook or something
[11:43] <gord> would be cool to get a full laptop with arm though
[11:44] <shauno> it's an odd idea; almost makes sense on the Air, makes little sense anywhere else.  but I've a friend who claimed that was the plan all along, and now feels vindicated
[11:49] <seeker> shauno: did your friend predict the Air, or the whole of the apple line?
[11:50] <Laney> vindicated because apple are rumoured to have made a test machine?!
[11:50] <Laney> hah
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like a perfect time to start disallowing "normal" apps and work everything into their appstore model
[11:51] <shauno> seeker: he's been claiming arm is next ever since they went that way for the ios platform
[11:51] <seeker> Next what though?
[11:52] <seeker> You aren't answering the question :P
[11:52] <shauno> as he'd have it, replacing intel
[11:52] <seeker> No reason to feel vindicated then
[11:52] <shauno> yet :o)
[11:53] <seeker> I predict ubuntu will be installed on every computer in the world! Oh, look, one person is trying it out, I feel so vindicated :P
[11:53] <seeker> There will always be a market for high end processors, which I don't think ARM are in a position to deliver
[11:54] <shauno> that was pretty much people's response when rumors of apple intel first came out.  and when rumours of the iphone first came out
[11:54] <Twinkletoes> In 8.04, I was able to use the Windows Xming client with plink, and start "gnome-session" to get a full desktop.  the same doesn't work for 10.04+.  Has anything changed?
[11:54] <seeker> Intel being in a desktop machine? IMPOSSIBLE! Oh...wait
[11:55] <seeker> Desktop processors are designed to run on ~100w of power
[11:55] <seeker> ARMs processors are designed to run on milliwatts
[11:55] <seeker> There is a big difference
[11:56] <Laney> I really don't understand the whole ARM/Linaro situation
[11:56] <Laney> people are talking about running servers on ARM chips and not needing cooling
[11:56] <shauno> there is.  and being that apple sell a *lot* more laptops than desktops, it's not an insignificant difference
[11:57] <Laney> so I wouldn't say they are exclusively for low end systems
[11:57] <Laney> maybe currently they don't stack up, but certainly not in the future
[11:58] <seeker> shauno: Some people want performance laptops too. ARM don't have any products that can reasonably compete with an i7 @ 2.2 GHz
[11:59] <shauno> I just think it's pretty short-sighted to write it off just yet
[12:00] <Neoti> any one want to go in to business with me selling voip, onsite PBX's and hosted phone solutions ?
[12:01] <seeker> Im not saying that it will never happen. But ARM don't have any products announced that can fill that sort of Market. And it will take 3 or 4 years from them announcing the IP before any chips start to appear.
[12:03] <seeker> And Intel is looking to move towards ARM level stuff - the Atom will be on 14nm by 2014
[12:03] <shauno> apple apparently had osx running on x86 since before 10.0.  and they do have the core of the OS running on arm today in ios. I don't think any of this is about things we'll see in 12 months
[12:04] <shauno> when you throw in things like them buying PA Semi 3 years ago, the chip company that was started by the guy that designed the Alpha procs .. they're certainly up to something
[12:05] <seeker> Having an ARM binary is different from ARM having IP that can compete with Intel in anything but the low end Market
[12:05] <seeker> Yeah, they are making the A4 and A5 :P
[12:05] <shauno> they're still samsung cores
[12:05] <shauno> that's what people thought PA Semi was being bought for, but it hasn't shown up yet
[12:06] <BigRedS> oimon: yeah :)
[12:07] <seeker> shauno: Wikipedia seems to think apple designed it
[12:08] <BigRedS> ooh, not sure how that happened
[12:08] <seeker> shauno: It isn't a standard samsung core that apple just bought, or loads of people would have used the same
[12:08] <seeker> Chip
[12:10] <shauno> the designs are Intrisity, not PA Semi.  PA have literally just disappeared
[12:12] <seeker> On 11 June 2008, during the annual Worldwide Developer's Conference, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said that the acquisition was meant to add the talent of P. A. Semi's engineers to Apple's workforce and help them build custom chips for the iPod, iPhone, and other future mobile devices.
[12:13] <shauno> right.  a lot of noise when they were purchased.  but they haven't shown up in any products yet
[12:14] <seeker> No, read it again
[12:14] <seeker> It is valid for a company to purchase another company to obtain the engineers that work there
[12:14] <seeker> Rather than to actually use their products
[12:17] <kaushal> Hi
[12:18] <kaushal> Is there a way to trace a LAN IP
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: what do you mean?
[12:18] <BigRedS> what do you mean by 'trace3'?
[12:18] <kaushal> I get conflict on a particular IP
[12:18] <BigRedS> er, trace
[12:18] <BigRedS> oh, so you want to find which machine owns an IP?
[12:18] <kaushal> yes
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: if you have a managed switch, you can log in and ask it where it thinks the mac-address that has that IP is
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> but I think you'll have to use arp (to check which mac address has the IP you want, then check all your devices)
[12:19] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: i did it
[12:21] <kaushal> arp -d conflictIP and shorewall drop conflictIP
[12:21] <kaushal> still I am able to ping that conflict IP
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: yes.. just because your local firewall ignores the conflicting IP, doesn't mean the device doesn't have it anymore
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: you'll have to look at all devices in your network, (physically) find the conflicting machine,  then turn it off/fix it
[12:22] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: its very tedious
[12:22] <kaushal> right ?
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: depends on the size of your network
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: it's harder to check 100 devices than 3 :)
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: but when you have 100 devices on a LAN, you'd better have managed switches (which can usually tell you where the conflict is, and disable ports on request)
[12:24] <kaushal> yes
[12:24] <kaushal> ok
[12:38] <oimon> i wonder what sort of person buys duke nukem forever
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> oimon: gamers.
[12:39] <oimon> looks a bit meh
[12:40] <davmor2> oimon: it always did, it's only ever been about the mad game play
[12:42] <oimon> i thought it was about the infamy of never being released :)
[12:45] <davmor2> oimon: no
[12:46] <davmor2> oimon: that was just hype
[12:50] <shauno> not sure I'd write that off as just hype.  I mean, the game was announced in what, 96? 97?
[12:51]  * DJones remembers the original 2D Duke Nukem
[12:51] <davmor2> shauno: it was tongue in cheek
[12:52] <mrwarmth> is this the "real" thing though? When I seen it announced I figured some company had bought the name from 3D realms and rushed out a generic duke game with that title.
[12:53] <shauno> I doubt it's even vaguely related, no
[12:54] <shauno> there market's flooded with generic shooters.  buying a franchise that's 10 years cold has to be a fantastic way to prop up another without requiring any real merit
[12:54] <mrwarmth> it does look that way, yes
[12:55] <shauno> (if it's actually quakeworld compatible as originally promised, I'll eat the socks I'm wearing)
[12:56] <mrwarmth> It would be great if 3D realms released the source for the one they were actually working for
[12:56] <mrwarmth> *on
[12:56] <shauno> I think it'd be funny if they actually released it on the quake2 engine, and just played like they'd been working on it the whole time
[12:58] <mrwarmth> where did they end up, on the unreal engine?
[12:58] <Twinkletoes> how do I change the screen resolution in 11.04?  There doesn't appear to be any options in System Admin or Preferences
[13:03] <mrwarmth> Twinkletoes, can you run gnome-display-properties form the run menu or terminal? I think it's listed in the launcher as display settings but I'm not at my Ubuntu machine atm.
[13:19] <Twinkletoes> mrwarmth: IThis seems to be the issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/652929
[13:24] <oimon> i have a machine with multiple versions of python installed. is there an alternative to doing "export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.6/:/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/" before running python2.6 so that it uses the modules from /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ ?
[13:33]  * AlanBell takes delivery of a large parcel
[13:33] <shauno> argh.  excel needs a 'stop trying to be clever' tickbox :(
[13:35] <shauno> just got an order returned because excel had decided all the part numbers were incremental
[13:36]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski 
[13:36] <Twinkletoes> Can fstab be used to mount a directory onto another directory?
[13:36] <bigcalm> Twinkletoes: would a symbolic link be better?
[13:37] <shauno> I believe so, you'd just put bind in the options
[13:37] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: that's my question
[13:37] <czajkowski> AlanBell: *hugs*
[13:37] <bigcalm> ln -s source_dir target_dir
[13:37] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: so that's better then using fstab and the bind option?
[13:38] <bigcalm> If it's within the same filesystem, I'm not sure what advantage you'd get from putting it in fstab
[13:38] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: I've just moved a huge directory to a different disk
[13:38] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: Sounds like symlink is going to be easier anyway
[13:39] <bigcalm> As long as the other harddisk has been mounted before you try to access the symlink, it'll do what you want
[13:44]  * AlanBell installs a kubuntu CD
[13:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you didn't steal it from the chickens, did you?
[13:47] <AlanBell> Pendulum: I didn't install it in a computer :)
[13:47] <oimon> any python dudes here see my question up there ^^?
[13:47] <AlanBell> now, will their old 10.10 CD still boot I wonder
[13:49] <AlanBell> it gets as far as the boot menu
[13:49] <AlanBell> bit of a crack in the edge, don't think it is going to work
[13:49] <AlanBell> I did wash most of the poop off before putting it in my laptop
[13:50] <oimon> since 4.0 i haven't managed more than 1 day in succession on kde
[13:51] <AlanBell> it doesn't fully boot
[14:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Joining the Bazaar - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4435
[14:30] <BigRedS> oimon: It's not *that* bad, surely?
[14:31] <BigRedS> just don't log out :)
[14:31] <BigRedS> most of the problems I had were it forgetting everything on logout, and having to reconfigure things like workspaces and keyboard shortcuts
[14:31] <oimon> BigRedS: it's not bad, bad, just that gnome2+docky really suits my way of working nowadays...i was happy with kde3.5 but i've moved on
[14:33] <BigRedS> Haha, I was never really happy with kde3 either. I think I've just got really low standards when it comes to DEs
[14:33] <BigRedS> actually, no. All of them really irritate me, but to about the same level
[14:33] <BigRedS> so there's nothing much to gain from using any one over the other
[14:33] <oimon> what i have now is fantastic
[14:35] <oimon> interesting to see if it will still be possible to implement with 12.04
[14:35] <TheAshMan> :tabn
[14:39] <BigRedS> oimon: docky's the osx-style launcher isn't it?
[14:40] <oimon> BigRedS: maybe - i don't use OSX. i have > 50 windows open at any time on virtual desktops , so gnome-panel size reduces to a dot for each app - not very useful
[14:41] <oimon> unity launcher doesn't work well either for that setup :(
[14:43] <BigRedS> Ah, nor do I. I meant the tall thing at the middle bottom of the screen
[14:43] <BigRedS> where 'tall' is about an inch tall
[14:43] <BigRedS> Ach, I just googled it and it is what I was thinking it was. I've no idea how it works though, I've only seen screenshots
[14:47] <oimon> it is an app launcher + window chooser combined.
[14:47] <oimon> except that you can also add funtionality, e.g. pidgin shows unread messages, banshee icon allows right-click and play/pause etc.
[14:52] <BigRedS> ahh
[14:52] <BigRedS> that sounds a bit handy
[14:52] <oimon> http://ubuntuone.com/p/vvs/
[14:53] <oimon> the dots under the icons show apps that are open, and if there are multiple windows of the same type, you can click right mouse and see the window names
[14:53] <BigRedS> oooh
[14:54] <oimon> also u don't then have to worry which virtual desktop your liferea reader is on etc
[14:54] <oimon> it switches for you and work continues
[14:55] <oimon> which is sort of what unity is intended to do, but not quite there yet in terms of functionality i feel
[14:58] <BigRedS> I'm a bit tempted to try that, except for the fact that I'm completely conditioned into not using the taskbar
[15:01] <oimon> i didn't see the point on my laptop cos i only regularly use 4 windows or so, but at work i leave a huge amount of stuff running for weeks, and it's crucial for my workflow
[15:02] <BigRedS> ah, yeah. Most of my issue is managing screen, er, screens
[15:24] <shauno> after 45 minutes of trying to reach someone on the phone, I have a scene from the young ones stuck in my head :(
[16:06] <popey> !paste
[16:26] <oimon> do all ibook 12 inch laptops have powerpc processors, or some have intel?
[16:30] <shauno> all ibook are ppc
[16:30] <shauno> ppc to intel was the ibook/powerbook to macbook/macbook pro rename. so if it's pre-rename, it's pre-intel
[16:31] <oimon> umm not sure if it's called ibook :S
[16:31] <Azelphur> hmm, why is X using 12% of a i7 950
[16:31] <oimon> it's my sisters silver 12 inch laptop, a few years old but still good
[16:31] <Azelphur> I mean I know I have a lot of screens, but that's pushing it a bit.
[16:31] <shauno> :)  well, all the 12" are ppc, yeah.  the closest now is the Air being in 11 & 13
[16:32] <oimon> ok thanks guy
[16:32] <oimon> s
[16:32] <shauno> I think the other giveaway is that all the intel ones are widescreen, I don't think the 12" was
[16:32] <oimon> i also have a broken ibook g4 ..is there much market for parts?
[16:32] <oimon> the screen and keyboard are good, the motherboard and dvd drive not so
[16:33] <shauno> no idea I'm afraid.  never bought 'em until they started putting sensible processors in them :o)
[16:33] <oimon> :P
[16:33] <oimon> i gather the motherboard problem on them is well known but apple ignored it
[16:34] <Azelphur> ah, it was waiting for me to talk about it's high CPU usage in ubuntu-uk so it could crash.
[16:34] <Azelphur> X is so silly :p
[16:35] <kaushal> Hi
[16:35] <kaushal> I have google-desktop installed on Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop
[16:35] <BigRedS> shauno: but PPC had character!
[16:35] <shauno> anyroad .. off home.  sorry I couldn't be more help with your antique collection ;)
[16:35] <oimon> :D
[16:35] <kaushal> How do i make it start after bootup in 11.04
[16:35] <oimon> but wait...i have a thinkpad 600E
[16:35] <oimon> :)
[16:35] <shauno> BigRedS: it really wasn't ppc that bothered me.  it was not being able to try it on something I alread owned
[16:36] <kaushal> since i dont see Start Up Applications as it was available in earlier releases of Ubuntu ?
[16:37] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks it worked
[16:37] <kaushal> I fixed it on the switch
[16:38] <shauno> hm.  I want to go home, but the weather disagrees with me
[16:39] <kaushal> BigRedS: Thanks
[16:39] <kaushal> ANy clue to my query ?
[16:40] <shauno> is there anything in preferences with 'session' in it's name?
[16:40] <shauno> (educated guesses until someone else joins in)
[16:40] <kaushal> shauno: preferences ?
[16:40] <kaushal> How do i see it
[16:40] <kaushal> its 11.04
[16:40] <shauno> it's on the menu in the icon top-right (the power icon.  I know.  I don't like that either)
[16:41] <kaushal> Lots of changes being done
[16:42] <BigRedS> kaushal: hm? What did I do?
[16:42] <BigRedS> shauno: Ahh, but you still can't really can you?
[16:43] <shauno> I think a sheepish grin is the only honest to that one
[16:43] <BigRedS> haha
[16:43] <shauno> I don't feel bad.  I'm on my third of their laptop's since then.  fair game as far as I'm concerned
[16:44] <BigRedS> nah, I was more meaning that I thought hackintosh didn't ever really work that well
[16:44] <BigRedS> not that I ever even got it working, so I don't know personally...
[16:44] <shauno> if you can't find startup items or session manager behind the 'power button menu', try just doing alt-f2 and running gnome-session-properties
[16:45] <shauno> BigRedS: sorta .. it works, until it doesn't.  or until a random software update explodes.  or worse.
[16:47] <BigRedS> haha
[16:47] <BigRedS> that's what I used to enjoy about Linux :)
[16:48] <shauno> ubuntu still explodes on mine, ironically :)
[16:48] <BigRedS> Oh, I just meant I don't enjoy it any more
[16:49] <shauno> I can't tell if this rain is coming or going :(
[16:51] <kaushal> BigRedS: you suggested to look at the Network Switch
[16:51] <kaushal> shauno: i saw it
[16:52] <kaushal> its there in StartUp Applications
[16:52] <shauno> not a bad guess then :)
[16:52] <kaushal> Dont know why its not shown as icon in the top right
[16:52] <BigRedS> kaushal: oh, cool. That was no problem then! :)
[16:52]  * BigRedS feels all useful
[16:53]  * kaushal has high regards for folks here :)
[16:53] <shauno> I really, really don't like that the icon top-right is the standby icon.  pressing the off switch to get to startup applications is rather unintuitive
[16:53] <kaushal> yes
[16:54] <kaushal> shauno: Any further clue ?
[16:54] <shauno> that's all I know.  they hid all the preferences behind the off button :)
[16:54] <shauno> past that, I resort to launching things with alt-f2
[16:56] <kaushal> shauno: Any recommended apps in 11.04 to increase productivity ?
[16:56] <kirrus> Has anyone here played with amazon cloudfront before?
[16:57] <BigRedS> kaushal: depends what you're producing...
[16:58] <BigRedS> q
[17:06] <MichealH> popey, ping
[17:10] <popey> MichealH: pong!
[17:11] <kaushal> I have connected USB Datacard on 10.04 LTS, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/613825/
[17:12] <kaushal> I have installed usb-modeswitch and usb-modeswitch-data
[17:12] <kaushal> Its not getting detected as USB Modem
[17:12] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[17:13] <acperkins> can I pull multiple machines into Landscape with a single Advantage subscription, or do I need a subscription for each client?
[17:13] <kaushal> I have checked with the rest of the USB Ports too
[17:13] <kaushal> Still no luck
[17:16] <kaushal> is there a way to measure the battery backup time in laptop running Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[17:17] <MichealH> popey, I PMed If you did not notic
[17:17] <gord> what do you mean backup?
[17:17] <MichealH> *notice
[17:17] <BigRedS> kaushal: man acpi  ?
[17:17] <kaushal> gord: if i run my laptop in battery mode
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: just hover your mouse over the battery icon in the top right
[17:18] <gord> acperkins, you get five machines with one licence iirc
[17:18] <kaushal> BigRedS: Any example ?
[17:18] <gord> kaushal, what do you mean by backup?
[17:18] <BigRedS> er, I can't remember, but it's not just 'acpi' actually
[17:18] <gord> do you mean how long it takes to recharge?
[17:18] <BigRedS> there's some command to dump the ACPI stats, including battery charge. but, yeah, what do you actually want to do?
[17:19] <kaushal> BigRedS: Basically How long does it run on "On Battery Power"
[17:19] <kaushal> the moment i boot my laptop
[17:19] <gord> kaushal, click on the battery indicator on the top right, that will show you
[17:19] <kaushal> without connecting to AC Power
[17:20] <kaushal> yes i did it
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: that shows the time remaining
[17:20] <kaushal> yes
[17:20] <kaushal> I got it
[17:20] <kaushal> But How long it has run on Battery ?
[17:20] <acperkins> gord: Excellent, thanks
[17:20]  * acperkins starts a free trial
[17:21] <kaushal> Basically How long the Battery Gives power to the Laptop until it finally gives up
[17:21] <kaushal> right from beginning
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: oh, it doesn't know that
[17:21] <gord> kaushal, charge your laptop, remove the power cord, then look at the estimated time left
[17:21] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: is there a way to know it ?
[17:22] <kaushal> ok
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: it really depends on what you're doing (if you play lots of games/videos, you'll have less time)
[17:22] <kaushal> gord: I missed it
[17:22] <kaushal> I mean i did not noticed it
[17:22] <kaushal> is it written somewhere to log ?
[17:23] <gord> nope
[17:23] <kaushal> ok
[17:23] <kaushal> How long does it take to fully recharge ?
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: if you plug in AC power, the countdown-until-empty (click on the battery) will change into countdown-until-full
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: (the time will change to reflect the time needed to fully charge, instead of fully discharge)
[17:27] <kaushal> ok
[17:27] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[17:27] <kaushal> So i need to keep a watch on the Battery Icon
[17:28] <kaushal> ?
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: I think there's a "properties" or "settings" page that opens if you click
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: you can watch that too.. it has pretty graphs :)
[17:30] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: ok
[17:30] <kaushal> :)
[17:30] <kaushal> I have connected USB Datacard on 10.04 LTS, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/613825/, its not getting detected as USB Modem
[17:30] <kaushal> Please suggest
[17:30] <kaushal> Any clue ?
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: try installing the usb-modeswitch package
[17:34] <kaushal> i did it already
[17:34] <kaushal> still no luck
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> did you restart after installing? or pull out & plug back in?
[17:38] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: yes
[17:38] <kaushal> I checked it using different USB Ports too
[17:38] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Do you need more information ?
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea, sorry
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> don't have that hardware myself
[17:42] <kaushal> ok
[17:42] <kaushal> np
[17:43] <BigRedS> If I comment on an 'expired' bug does that un-expire it, or should I be opening a new one?
[17:43] <brobostigon> kaushal: i have seen this beforem you nee to apply usb-modeswitch to the device, to open it up as a modem, insted of a usb fs.
[17:45] <kaushal> brobostigon: I have it already
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: he said he did that.. usb-modeswitch installs udev magic to do that, afaik
[17:46] <brobostigon> kaushal: hmm, ok.
[17:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: sorry, i havent been following, fully,
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: no problem :)
[17:46] <brobostigon> :)
[17:48] <shauno> it doesn't look like it has done that
[17:48] <shauno> ugh, that was meant to be delete.  I got it the wrong way around :)
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> shauno: time for weekend :)
[17:49] <shauno> it looks like that device is 1c9e:1001 before it switches, and 1c9e:6061 after the switch.  so usb_modeswitch has run
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> oh
[17:50] <shauno> if it's the same modem as http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1205550
[17:51] <shauno> if it's not, and they're sharing usb-id's, it's gonna get even more confusing :)
[17:51] <kaushal> :/
[17:54] <kaushal> shauno: Shall i pastebin the lsusb Output ?
[17:55] <shauno> the id's in that last paste
[17:55] <kaushal> ok
[17:56] <kaushal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/613842/
[17:58] <shauno> it looks like that top line is the right one
[17:58] <shauno> this feels like a silly question, but have you tried setting up a new connecting with it in network-manager?
[17:59] <kaushal> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 1c9e:6061
[17:59] <kaushal> thats the one when i unplug and plug it back
[18:00] <shauno> but lsusb still shows the two entries starting 12d1 ?
[18:01] <shauno> you have in that list 12d1:1446, and 12d1:14ac.  according to http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/browser/trunk/fon/usb-modeswitch/files/usb_modeswitch/12d1%3A1446?rev=1644
[18:02] <kaushal> there are 3 USB Datacards attached to that server
[18:02] <shauno> 12d1:14ac is what you want to end up with when modeswitch has finished
[18:02] <shauno> ah
[18:02] <shauno> that'll be why lsusb is showing functional cards then   lol
[18:02] <kaushal> shauno: ok
[18:03] <kaushal> shauno: Any further clue ?
[18:05] <shauno> doesn't look like I had any clues to start with :/  googling for the other huawei entries had me right up the wrong tree
[18:09] <shauno> altho I'm curious how well that many cards works.  surely one's the default route, and the rest just sit there blinking?
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> shauno: trunking/bonding :)
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> shauno: or failover
[18:11] <shauno> I thought bonding needs support on the isp's side.  teclo's rarely do anything, let alone extra
[18:13] <shauno> oh, so that box that only had v6 this morning.  I tried to fix it, and now it comes up without any interfaces at all :D
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> woo
[18:31] <shauno> (either that, or the kernel update didn't taste nice.  but I'm putting money on it being "I was screwing with it")
[18:36] <shauno> doesn't answer if I just stuff addresses into the arp table either :/
[18:45] <jacobw> this is cool
[18:45] <jacobw> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADKdbN8nyY
[18:52] <knightwise> hey everyne
[18:53] <jacobw> hi knightw
[18:54] <jacobw> +ise
[19:24] <jacobw> how do you change the prefered wireless network with nm-applet?
[19:25] <brobostigon> i think fail2ban is doing its job, dmesg is showing plenty of iptables/ufw activity.
[19:35] <DJones> Is there a way to check how much memory a video card has?
[19:35] <mgdm> DJones: dmidecode or lshw might tell you
[19:37] <DJones> mgdm: Cheers, I'll give that a go
[19:40] <DJones> Doesn't seem to give the info needed
[19:42] <mgdm> Might you get it from the Xorg logs?
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> lspci -vv might also tell you
[19:43] <DJones> just found it from suo lspic -vv
[19:43] <DJones> Region 0: Memory at e5000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Region 1: Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> DJones: that could just be the aperture size
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> it might have more
[19:44] <DJones> That reads as 128Mb to me
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> it does
[19:44] <DJones> I doubt it'll have much more, its a geforce fx 5200 which should only have 64/128/256
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> but it might have more, with 128M mapped into main memory ("aperture")
[19:44] <DJones> sudo apt-get install hardinfo
[19:44] <DJones> Grr
[19:44] <gord> you can't
[19:45]  * MartijnVdS wants Intel to hurry with the Ivy Bridge CPUs
[19:45] <gord> in the past the only way i have been able to find out how much memory i can store in graphics memory is by creating small textures and uploading them until i get an error
[19:46] <gord> thats not accurate to how much the gpu actually has though, just how much i could grab at that moment
[19:46] <DJones> hardinfo reports 128M prefetchable
[19:47] <DJones> At least 128Mb will be an improvement on the 64mb on the original geforce 2 card
[21:00] <mgdm> Hmmm
[21:00] <mgdm> Anyone tried to use Brasero recently? It seems to freeze right where it's meant to start burning stuff
[21:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:02] <mgdm> 'lo czajkowski
[21:29] <oimon> mgdm: i don't have any probs on lucid
[21:32] <hamitron> I was gonna try, then realised I have no burner :/
[21:33] <oimon> watching a programme about the band blur that i videoed about a year ago and haven't wtched yet.
[21:33] <oimon> missis is out for the night...oimon is holding the baby
[21:33] <oimon> i still prefer k3b to brasero, even on gnome
[21:34] <oimon> it never let me down, so it earned my trust
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> I've stopped burning CDs mostly
[21:34] <oimon> my car plays mp3s, so i copy 8 albums onto a disc for long journeys
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> Except when I borrow my parents' car :)
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[21:35]  * hamitron still uses cassette
[21:36] <oimon> currently backing up programmes from my pvr over usb1 onto laptop...taking 15mins per 1gb file :(
[21:36] <jacobw> which programe is that oimon?
[21:36] <jacobw> 'no distance left to run'?
[21:36]  * jacobw is a blur fan :)
[21:37] <oimon> jacobw: yep :) loved blur since day 1
[21:37] <oimon> they tailed off a bit at the end tho
[21:37] <oimon> prob saw them at their best when i was at uni 93-96
[21:38] <jacobw> yeah, i think it took a while for they couldn't continue without coxon
[21:38] <jacobw> having said that, think tank is still a great album
[21:39] <jacobw> i only saw them in 2009, i was born in 1991 so i'm a later day blur fan :p
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> I only have 133
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> 13
[21:39] <jacobw> 13 is only one i haven't got :|
[21:41] <oimon> i was in manchester at the time of blur vs oasis
[21:41] <oimon> lol
[21:41] <gord> people who were born in the 90s blow me away, i don't even understand how that is possible
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> gord: well, their parents had sex in the 90s
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> gord: maybe the latter part of '89
[21:41] <oimon> i used to have a thing about people being born after the live aid concert in 84
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> oimon: october '80 here
[21:42] <oimon> i used to troll them by saying "were you born before or after live aid"..then you don't have a worthwhile opinion :P
[21:44] <oimon> when i was in my 20s i didn't think i would ever stop loving music like i did
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> oimon: when was that? '30?
[21:45] <oimon> when i stopped being into music so much?
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> oimon: no your 20s
[21:45] <oimon> :P
[21:45] <oimon> i'm 36 now
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> ah, the 90s :)
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> good old 90s
[21:45] <oimon> x factor has killed music inthe last 10 years
[21:45]  * MartijnVdS remembers thos very well
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> Ace of Base. Dr. Alban
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> Happy hardcore 8-)
[21:46] <oimon> MartijnVdS: lol, showing your dutch roots
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> oimon: probably :)
[21:46] <oimon> no no nononono nonono there's no limit
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> oimon: yes! 2unlimited
[21:47] <oimon> they used to play ace of bas and 2unlimited 10 x a night on the spanish holidays i went on in the 90s
[21:47] <oimon> and nirvana :D
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> oimon: they play this now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vURjhSD-FE8 (in Spain)
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Nirvana \o/
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ("they play this now" in Spain)
[21:48] <oimon> that's a shame
[21:48] <oimon> feel sorry for the kids of today
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: there is still good music out there
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: (new, good music)
[21:49] <jacobw> this is true :)
[21:49] <oimon> yep..here and there
[21:49] <oimon> but i mellow a bit into my 30s so my tastes change
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Singing women? http://www.youtube.com/nerinapallottv
[21:51] <oimon> i like bands like this nowadays http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CkfvYMCWM&feature=related
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> oimon: check my link -- Nerina's new song sounds a bit like that :)
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: you might also like: http://www.youtube.com/user/yelle
[21:56] <oimon> MartijnVdS: are you still living in NL
[21:56] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I am
[21:57] <oimon> on ipv6
[21:57] <MartijnVdS> yes (though I'm ircing from my UK vps which also has v6)
[21:57] <oimon> i've been putting off learning ipv6 until a rainy day
[21:58] <MartijnVdS> it's not hard, ask HazRPG :)
[21:58] <oimon> :)
[21:58] <MartijnVdS> oimon: You might want to read his blog if you want to give it a go
[21:58] <oimon> maybe there will be a talk at oggcamp
[21:59] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/03/31/ipv6-under-ubuntu-10-10/
[22:00] <oimon> it upsets me a little since i can remember ip addresses of even the first servers i worked with in my first job
[22:01] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ipv6 isn't that hard, as long as you remember the prefix you'll be ok (the host part will be automatic)
[22:01] <oimon> i like numbers but ipv6 requires names
[22:01] <MartijnVdS> oimon: and dns will fix the rest (\o/ multicast-dns aka mdns aka avahi aka default installed on Ubuntu)
[22:02] <oimon> bookmarked for further reading
[22:04] <jacobw> dang you've got me listening to blur again
[22:04] <oimon> hehe
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> isn't the singer the same guy as the Gorillaz guy?>
[22:05] <oimon> wanna learn badhead on the piano
[22:05] <oimon> yep
[22:05] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: aye
[22:05]  * MartijnVdS has a few Gorillaz CDs
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> (and Blur - 13)
[22:05] <jacobw> plastic beach ftw
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Plastic Beach is great :)
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> also, they have the rarest vinyl releases
[22:06] <jacobw> i didn't know that
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gorillaz
[22:07] <oimon> i'm liking miro for my video playing needs :)
[22:07] <oimon> prettier than the usual vlc
[22:07] <MartijnVdS> Feel Good Inc is in Guitar Hero 5
[22:07] <jacobw> !ping
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> http://www.discogs.com/Gorillaz-Feel-Good-Inc/release/438150
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> ^ RARE
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> the4thdoctor: Tom Baker?
[22:50] <jacobw> join #kllunimati
[22:50] <jacobw> >_<
[22:52] <bigcalm> Not much of a sales pitch
[22:56] <bigcalm> Is there a way to batch convert files from windows to unix format?
[22:56] <bigcalm> PhpEd has been silly and saved everything as Windows type files and also not as UTF8
[23:32] <denny> this may not be news to anyone, but a recent upgrade seems to have chowned my .gnupg/pubring.gpg to root instead of my local user, so all my GPG stuff stopped working with permission errors.
[23:32] <denny> I think it was yesterday, looking at the file dates
[23:46] <brobostigon> good night eveyone, sleep well.
[23:58] <bigcalm> Good night brobostigon