[00:28] [Jono Bacon] Future LoCo Team Portal Plans - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/26/future-loco-team-portal-plans/ [01:32] Anyone know if it's possible to do live statistics in libreoffice? [01:41] Has anyone had problems with Nvidia notebook video cars recently? I'm not even sure if the updater updates proprietary drivers, but I've been having some issues which seem to have appeared out of the blue [01:41] *cards [01:56] kernelcode: what types? [01:58] or type [01:58] :) [02:09] I haven't managed to nail it down to a specific scenario, but basically compiz seems to consume 100%+ CPU and the system becomes unusable [02:10] Seems like it might be related to the screensaver (I have GLMatrix or whatever it's called) [08:01] Morning all [08:09] Morning [08:09] \o [08:24] hm, this could be fun. plugged a box in and fired it up before I went to work. arrived to discover I used the wrong ethernet port, and it hasn't been assigned any v4 [08:25] shauno: time to fix it tonight :) [08:26] pft, too easy. gonna find a v6 resolver and see if I can carry on regardless [08:27] v6 \o/ [08:27] shauno: also.. google has public v4 resolvers === denny- is now known as denny [08:28] if I had a v4 route I'd be using my isps :) [08:29] it's picked my router up as an RA, but I can't add it properly without running the stupid gui thing locally [08:31] shauno: you can ssh using the fe80:: address, then fix it from there [08:32] * DJones really must be more awake in the morning, just reading about the the remake of Total Recall to star Colin Farrell as Douglas Quaid and though they were talking about Colin Firth :) [08:32] found it easy enough; just asked arp on my laptop. but can't make any changes on the router from here :/ [08:35] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x811.html [08:38] 6 is working fine. it's just a bit broken because that's all I've got :/ [08:40] shauno: well, v6 gets you google and youtube [08:40] and facebook [08:40] what more do you need ;) [08:40] oh and some Dutch news websites [08:41] and freenode [08:46] it's being really grumpy trying to reach security.debian.org :/ [08:48] hello [08:48] Greetings [08:54] Aloha [08:59] hm, not just grumpy .. it simply never gets there [09:00] morning czajkowski [09:01] shauno: morning [09:01] howdy [09:28] I do really like the NHS system over here [09:28] where? [09:28] czajkowski: Is it not the same in Ireland [09:28] there? [09:29] DJones: gods no [09:29] On the stairs? [09:29] JGJones_: Aldershot [09:29] dearg gods DJones and JGJones_ talk about confusing nicks to see one after another [09:29] danfish: ping === eightbitraptor_ is now known as eightbitraptor [09:30] czajkowski: nice that she phoned you back :) [09:30] * DJones considers nicking to DGJones to confuse czajkowski even more [09:31] heh [09:31] DJones: stop hanging around with MooDoo and Davmo2, clearly leading you astray in the tormenting of me [09:31] I hereby claim that I had my nick first! [09:32] czajkowski: what's made you say that you like the NHS system? [09:32] I declare it to be breakfast time [09:32] had it since November 1977 [09:32] the excellent gp I've had the aranging of an urgent MRI [09:32] the phoning me up with the result to save me going in [09:33] JGJones_: I can see you've had it registered for longer than I've had dgjones registered [09:34] AlanBell: eggs on toast [09:34] or no eggs still [09:34] you should change it to DGJones...although I'll start thinking you're my brother [09:35] :) [09:35] good morning all [09:36] czajkowski: we are reduced to buying shop eggs [09:36] oh my [09:36] czajkowski: that doesn't sound like my experience of NHS...baby has a fever, nurse at the edoctor's surgery on phone says don't bother us, it's probably teething, turns out to be a bad stomach bug. same story for my wife wen they tried diagnosnig something else down the phone that was completely incorrect [09:37] AlanBell: Why no home laid eggs? [09:37] thing it depends on the gp [09:37] then when you get an appointment it's over 2 months away [09:37] oimon, move surgery :p [09:37] kazade: we are going through that process. [09:37] I've also come from working in hospitals while I was in college, so I do know the level of presure they are under [09:37] I've had some amazing experiences with the NHS, they've saved my life in the past [09:37] of course, you do get some crap GPs [09:37] I think compared to most of EU NHS by far is excellent [09:37] I've figured out which ones are the best ones around here :) [09:37] DJones: chickens have gone all menopausal or something [09:38] yeah there are gonna be hiccups from time to time [09:38] kazade: it's not even the GPs i have problems with, it's the people they put in the way of letting you see them [09:38] but to be honest you'll find that in any area [09:38] oimon: thats hardly an nhs problem [09:38] thats a hiring issue [09:38] and people applying [09:38] however I do have eggs and they need using up and I found some bread in the freezer, so eggs on toast is on the way [09:38] AlanBell: maybe they're distraught by the dead chicken? [09:38] MartijnVdS: it stopped well before that] [09:38] it's a structural/mamangement issue though. [09:38] oimon: tbh I wouldnt like working as a receptionist in a gp surgery, you're gonna get yelled at no matter what [09:39] the procedures they put in place are ridiculous [09:39] the ones in my surgery gossip terribly in the open about people [09:39] oimon, I've never been to a doctor's surgery where the receptionists DONT gossip openly [09:39] :( [09:39] czajkowski: mrs shauno actually ended up in ER in limerick recently .. she was actually pretty impressed by the whole process [09:40] * AlanBell posted to a redhat list https://www.redhat.com/archives/virt-tools-list/2011-May/msg00083.html [09:40] my weather indicator has given up entirely its been cloud with a ? for days [09:40] although that is how i would mostly describe uk weather... [09:40] fried or poached I wonder [09:40] shauno: my old hosiptal [09:40] I worked there for 4 years [09:41] 2 when in college and 2 when I finished working in the laboratory doing their documentation [09:41] AlanBell: fried egg on toast [09:41] runny egg [09:41] she managed to put 3 breaks in one arm. they opened it up and stuffed some metal in there. for less than an ambulance woulda cost her in the states [09:42] fried it is then [09:42] * oimon notices that ubuntu 9.10 is no longer supported [09:46] the koala is dead [09:46] :( [09:46] History marches on [09:48] Shouldn't it be The Koala is dead, long live the Narwhall [09:48] the lynx will outlive the narwhal :P [09:48] Good morning peeps :) [09:49] \o biggie calms [09:49] I do what I can [09:49] bigcalm: (I'm assuming that's your rapper alter ego) [09:50] nom [09:56] Om [10:00] Any one tried build the Sync App syncany recently with success ? [10:00] Have a few issues when trying to buil with ant [10:01] morning all [10:01] top tip, crush a dried chilli and sprinkle over fried eggs for a lovely breakfast treat [10:02] AlanBell: Weirdo ;) [10:02] czajkowski: prod just cause you deserve it :P [10:03] i wonder if it hurts chickens to lay eggs [10:03] oimon: ask them :) [10:03] they told me to cluck off [10:04] <|Dreams|> ok my /home folder was encrypted with ubuntu now i went to install fedora 15 and it says it cannot access ICE file so i cant access my home partition is there anyway around this without wiping all my home [10:05] |Dreams|: Did you write down the key for your partition? (Ubuntu notified you about it after your first login) [10:05] <|Dreams|> i saved it i think [10:06] <|Dreams|> but i think i saved it in my home partition lmao [10:06] <|Dreams|> oops [10:06] |Dreams|: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering Your Mount Passphrase [10:06] <|Dreams|> thanks will take a look [10:15] anyone used miro? what's good about it? [10:18] i have in the past [10:18] nice if you want to centralise where/how you get your video/audio stuff [10:18] like people do with itunes [10:18] they just released a new version [10:18] popey: see the birthday card I did for Hayley? [10:18] yeah, big update [10:18] yes bigcalm ☺ [10:19] * bigcalm hopes tomorrow goes well [10:20] good morning everyone. [10:20] Morning [10:20] bigcalm: Do you have any reason to assume it won't? :) [10:20] morning bigcalm [10:20] \o brobostigonman [10:21] good morning MartijnVdS o/ [10:21] MartijnVdS: I guess not. Just want it to be a good day for her [10:26] good morning [10:26] been using chromium as my main browser 10hrs a day for a couple of weeks now, still not sure if it's for me yet [10:27] Laney: congrats on your debian account :D [10:28] \o [10:33] just installed miro4 ..looking a lot like itunes [10:33] yeah, it's pretty sweet [10:34] i use miro :) [10:34] i quite like the handling of video files [10:35] MooDoo: boyacka me snizzly diddly or something like that, 'Ow am ya me owld mukka [10:35] I see they showcase the mac interface [10:36] i wonder why it isn't mentioned more on linux [10:36] davmor2: bang tidy matey.... [10:36] MooDoo: I think these young uns can keep their gibberish [10:36] davmor2: i meant ubuntu what's all that about? [10:37] MooDoo: I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you :D [10:38] davmor2: eeeeeeeeeeek [10:39] MooDoo: so it started off in 2004 when a man with a lot of money thought I know I'll do something cool......stabs MooDoo [10:40] you need a lot of money to stab MooDoo ? [10:40] shauno: nah i'm cheap [10:42] not quite sure how to reply to that [10:45] ... stoopid steam sales, they always get me [10:45] Wats on gord ? Not booted my PC for a few weeks [10:46] farcry 1 + 2, not great games but cheep [10:46] £3 for both [10:46] Ooooh [10:46] Might have to boot PC up when I get home [10:46] :D [10:46] offer will be off by 6pm btw [10:46] :( [10:47] store.steampowered.com :) [10:47] you don't need to be home [10:47] ah yes [10:47] ta :) [10:49] gord: work ok on wine? [10:50] oimon, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13613 - http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14238 [10:50] kinda? [10:50] you're a bad man [10:51] * popey opens steam [10:51] are they big downloads? [10:51] thinking fc2 [10:51] freedom haters :/ [10:51] And happy to be [10:52] farcry 1 should be about cd sized, 2 should be dvd sized [10:52] Cheers gord :) [10:52] Purchased :) [10:52] hmm, cant get steam connected via proxy [10:52] Watching the videos for Farcry 2 [10:52] however wine+intel graphics...i should proably pass [10:53] intel graphics + games, you should probably pass ;) [10:55] far cry complete $7.49 [10:55] silly steam showing me prices in USD [10:55] Hehe [10:55] £3.74 [10:55] I've thus far never bought anything on Steam, much prefer Gog.com :) [10:56] Never tried gog [10:56] diplo, you are missing out :) [10:56] Expendables is on GoG [10:56] And Postal 2 [10:56] Will take a look now, not doing much work [10:56] no DRM, ultra cheap and largely Wine friendly [10:56] :D [10:56] I copy all the installers to U1 so that I always have a backup, even if they go under or something [10:56] * oimon has a health and safety meeting at 11am ...kill me now please [10:56] gog is great, you get the coolest extras. proper nice pdf manuals - wallpapers, soundtracks, all just thrown in for a great price [10:57] * kazade notices Rayman Forever has just been added on Gog [10:57] * oimon wonders if gord should do voiceovers [10:57] oimon, if we killed you now, it would probs violate Health + Safety ;) [10:57] kazade: nah, it's more about box ticking than actualh health or safety [10:58] our lift is a deathtrap but nobody cares [10:58] and our building appears to be made from asbestos [10:58] * davmor2 cocks shotgun places it against oimon head and pulls the trigger.......click.......Damn you need shells for these things on tv they shoot forever [10:58] Finaly, the upgrade to 30mb bb is being put to good use ;) [10:58] on tv you can dodge bullets [10:59] pretty sure i can dodge bullets in real life, doesn't look that hard [10:59] after the gun is fired? [10:59] bullet time [10:59] sure, i mean, you just kinda wave about. easy [10:59] you can even dodge explosions it seems [11:00] bomb explodes, then yo get time to dive behind a car [11:00] * popey wonders if the old gollup games are on gog.com [11:00] rather than shrapnel embedded in your skull at 500mph [11:00] gord, oimon: Why dodge them on tv you can get shot in the eye and the bullet crumples all you need is an outfit with a red cape [11:00] hmm late for meeting lol [11:00] i should so start wearing capes. capes are awesome [11:00] and a cane [11:01] *gollop [11:01] capes & a cane? Isn't that the phantom of the opera? [11:02] i heartily recommend http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/syberia :) fun adventure game about clockwork machines and a train riding through northern Russia - played it through wine back in the day [11:03] it's a good idea to follow @gogcom on Twitter so you can catch the amazing offers they have on [11:03] Got "The Witcher" for $4.99 the other day [11:03] still haven't played it, the download is about 9G (!) [11:04] looks awesome though [11:06] nothing leaping out at me on gog [11:06] popey: in that case you need to put you 3d glasses on [11:07] In my account I've got: Myst, Interstate '76, Empire Earth, The Witcher, Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Manhatten Project and Unreal Tournament (also a bunch of freebies I've never played) [11:07] gotta admit I didn't find gog too interesting either. especially not at the same prices I bought them for the first time around [11:08] gog has baldurs gate 2.... [11:08] whats wrong with you people =\ [11:08] kazade: does myst work under wine? [11:08] gord: +1 popey has no taste in games though :D [11:09] davmor2, I *think* that Gog have wrapped it with DosBox, I know I had it working fine on Ubuntu when I was playing it a few months back [11:09] the only reason i don't own baldurs gate 2 on gog is because i actually need to get work one [11:09] *done [11:09] * kazade spots Earthworm Jim 1+2 (!) [11:10] Must. Not. Spend. Money. [11:10] Farcry is on there, but much more than on Steam $9.99 [11:10] although, DRM free of course ;) [11:10] popey: Do you not see the alone in the dark quadillogy [11:13] gah, who mentioned gog.com! I'm gonna end up spending money! [11:13] oh, it was me.. [11:14] oooo [11:19] * kazade thinks that Gog.com should open up their service to game developers for publishing new games [11:19] like they did with witcher 2? [11:19] the Witcher 2 is by the same people that run Gog.com [11:20] CDProjekt [11:20] I think [11:20] ah ok [11:20] it would be weird to have lots of new games on good old games dot com [11:20] yeah, they need gng.com ;) [11:21] the whole system they have there is great though [11:22] I did tweet them and ask if they would consider opening it up to indies to publish their games, they said they might do in future, but at the moment they have enough on their plate :) [11:22] popey, gord: They got Vampire The Masquerade - Redemption on gog.com I loved that game played it for months [11:23] yeah thats a wonderful game, crashy.. really really crashy. but wonderful [11:30] wow another world man I feel this warm nostalgic feeling must play absolute 80's to complete the feeling :D [11:41] http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/27/rumor-apple-testing-macbook-air-with-a5-processor/ [11:41] * popey imagines that running Ubuntu [11:43] i can't imagine apple switching to arm, unless they went for a fully iOS macbook or something [11:43] would be cool to get a full laptop with arm though [11:44] it's an odd idea; almost makes sense on the Air, makes little sense anywhere else. but I've a friend who claimed that was the plan all along, and now feels vindicated [11:49] shauno: did your friend predict the Air, or the whole of the apple line? [11:50] vindicated because apple are rumoured to have made a test machine?! [11:50] hah [11:50] Sounds like a perfect time to start disallowing "normal" apps and work everything into their appstore model [11:51] seeker: he's been claiming arm is next ever since they went that way for the ios platform [11:51] Next what though? [11:52] You aren't answering the question :P [11:52] as he'd have it, replacing intel [11:52] No reason to feel vindicated then [11:52] yet :o) [11:53] I predict ubuntu will be installed on every computer in the world! Oh, look, one person is trying it out, I feel so vindicated :P [11:53] There will always be a market for high end processors, which I don't think ARM are in a position to deliver [11:54] that was pretty much people's response when rumors of apple intel first came out. and when rumours of the iphone first came out [11:54] In 8.04, I was able to use the Windows Xming client with plink, and start "gnome-session" to get a full desktop. the same doesn't work for 10.04+. Has anything changed? [11:54] Intel being in a desktop machine? IMPOSSIBLE! Oh...wait [11:55] Desktop processors are designed to run on ~100w of power [11:55] ARMs processors are designed to run on milliwatts [11:55] There is a big difference [11:56] I really don't understand the whole ARM/Linaro situation [11:56] people are talking about running servers on ARM chips and not needing cooling [11:56] there is. and being that apple sell a *lot* more laptops than desktops, it's not an insignificant difference [11:57] so I wouldn't say they are exclusively for low end systems [11:57] maybe currently they don't stack up, but certainly not in the future [11:58] shauno: Some people want performance laptops too. ARM don't have any products that can reasonably compete with an i7 @ 2.2 GHz [11:59] I just think it's pretty short-sighted to write it off just yet [12:00] any one want to go in to business with me selling voip, onsite PBX's and hosted phone solutions ? [12:01] Im not saying that it will never happen. But ARM don't have any products announced that can fill that sort of Market. And it will take 3 or 4 years from them announcing the IP before any chips start to appear. [12:03] And Intel is looking to move towards ARM level stuff - the Atom will be on 14nm by 2014 [12:03] apple apparently had osx running on x86 since before 10.0. and they do have the core of the OS running on arm today in ios. I don't think any of this is about things we'll see in 12 months [12:04] when you throw in things like them buying PA Semi 3 years ago, the chip company that was started by the guy that designed the Alpha procs .. they're certainly up to something [12:05] Having an ARM binary is different from ARM having IP that can compete with Intel in anything but the low end Market [12:05] Yeah, they are making the A4 and A5 :P [12:05] they're still samsung cores [12:05] that's what people thought PA Semi was being bought for, but it hasn't shown up yet [12:06] oimon: yeah :) [12:07] shauno: Wikipedia seems to think apple designed it [12:08] ooh, not sure how that happened [12:08] shauno: It isn't a standard samsung core that apple just bought, or loads of people would have used the same [12:08] Chip [12:10] the designs are Intrisity, not PA Semi. PA have literally just disappeared [12:12] On 11 June 2008, during the annual Worldwide Developer's Conference, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said that the acquisition was meant to add the talent of P. A. Semi's engineers to Apple's workforce and help them build custom chips for the iPod, iPhone, and other future mobile devices. [12:13] right. a lot of noise when they were purchased. but they haven't shown up in any products yet [12:14] No, read it again [12:14] It is valid for a company to purchase another company to obtain the engineers that work there [12:14] Rather than to actually use their products [12:17] Hi [12:18] Is there a way to trace a LAN IP [12:18] kaushal: what do you mean? [12:18] what do you mean by 'trace3'? [12:18] I get conflict on a particular IP [12:18] er, trace [12:18] oh, so you want to find which machine owns an IP? [12:18] yes [12:18] kaushal: if you have a managed switch, you can log in and ask it where it thinks the mac-address that has that IP is [12:19] but I think you'll have to use arp (to check which mac address has the IP you want, then check all your devices) [12:19] MartijnVdS: i did it [12:21] arp -d conflictIP and shorewall drop conflictIP [12:21] still I am able to ping that conflict IP [12:21] kaushal: yes.. just because your local firewall ignores the conflicting IP, doesn't mean the device doesn't have it anymore [12:22] kaushal: you'll have to look at all devices in your network, (physically) find the conflicting machine, then turn it off/fix it [12:22] MartijnVdS: its very tedious [12:22] right ? [12:23] kaushal: depends on the size of your network [12:23] kaushal: it's harder to check 100 devices than 3 :) [12:24] kaushal: but when you have 100 devices on a LAN, you'd better have managed switches (which can usually tell you where the conflict is, and disable ports on request) [12:24] yes [12:24] ok [12:38] i wonder what sort of person buys duke nukem forever [12:39] oimon: gamers. [12:39] looks a bit meh [12:40] oimon: it always did, it's only ever been about the mad game play [12:42] i thought it was about the infamy of never being released :) [12:45] oimon: no [12:46] oimon: that was just hype [12:50] not sure I'd write that off as just hype. I mean, the game was announced in what, 96? 97? [12:51] * DJones remembers the original 2D Duke Nukem [12:51] shauno: it was tongue in cheek [12:52] is this the "real" thing though? When I seen it announced I figured some company had bought the name from 3D realms and rushed out a generic duke game with that title. [12:53] I doubt it's even vaguely related, no [12:54] there market's flooded with generic shooters. buying a franchise that's 10 years cold has to be a fantastic way to prop up another without requiring any real merit [12:54] it does look that way, yes [12:55] (if it's actually quakeworld compatible as originally promised, I'll eat the socks I'm wearing) [12:56] It would be great if 3D realms released the source for the one they were actually working for [12:56] *on [12:56] I think it'd be funny if they actually released it on the quake2 engine, and just played like they'd been working on it the whole time [12:58] where did they end up, on the unreal engine? [12:58] how do I change the screen resolution in 11.04? There doesn't appear to be any options in System Admin or Preferences [13:03] Twinkletoes, can you run gnome-display-properties form the run menu or terminal? I think it's listed in the launcher as display settings but I'm not at my Ubuntu machine atm. [13:19] mrwarmth: IThis seems to be the issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/652929 [13:19] Ubuntu bug 652929 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "maverick gnome-settings-daemon doesn't start (dup-of: 649809)" [Low,New] [13:19] Ubuntu bug 649809 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Natty) "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Medium,In progress] [13:24] i have a machine with multiple versions of python installed. is there an alternative to doing "export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.6/:/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/" before running python2.6 so that it uses the modules from /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ ? [13:33] * AlanBell takes delivery of a large parcel [13:33] argh. excel needs a 'stop trying to be clever' tickbox :( [13:35] just got an order returned because excel had decided all the part numbers were incremental [13:36] * AlanBell hugs czajkowski [13:36] Can fstab be used to mount a directory onto another directory? [13:36] Twinkletoes: would a symbolic link be better? [13:37] I believe so, you'd just put bind in the options [13:37] bigcalm: that's my question [13:37] AlanBell: *hugs* [13:37] ln -s source_dir target_dir [13:37] bigcalm: so that's better then using fstab and the bind option? [13:38] If it's within the same filesystem, I'm not sure what advantage you'd get from putting it in fstab [13:38] bigcalm: I've just moved a huge directory to a different disk [13:38] bigcalm: Sounds like symlink is going to be easier anyway [13:39] As long as the other harddisk has been mounted before you try to access the symlink, it'll do what you want [13:44] * AlanBell installs a kubuntu CD [13:45] AlanBell: you didn't steal it from the chickens, did you? [13:47] Pendulum: I didn't install it in a computer :) [13:47] any python dudes here see my question up there ^^? [13:47] now, will their old 10.10 CD still boot I wonder [13:49] it gets as far as the boot menu [13:49] bit of a crack in the edge, don't think it is going to work [13:49] I did wash most of the poop off before putting it in my laptop [13:50] since 4.0 i haven't managed more than 1 day in succession on kde [13:51] it doesn't fully boot [14:28] [Jonathan Riddell] Joining the Bazaar - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4435 [14:30] oimon: It's not *that* bad, surely? [14:31] just don't log out :) [14:31] most of the problems I had were it forgetting everything on logout, and having to reconfigure things like workspaces and keyboard shortcuts [14:31] BigRedS: it's not bad, bad, just that gnome2+docky really suits my way of working nowadays...i was happy with kde3.5 but i've moved on [14:33] Haha, I was never really happy with kde3 either. I think I've just got really low standards when it comes to DEs [14:33] actually, no. All of them really irritate me, but to about the same level [14:33] so there's nothing much to gain from using any one over the other [14:33] what i have now is fantastic [14:35] interesting to see if it will still be possible to implement with 12.04 [14:35] :tabn [14:39] oimon: docky's the osx-style launcher isn't it? [14:40] BigRedS: maybe - i don't use OSX. i have > 50 windows open at any time on virtual desktops , so gnome-panel size reduces to a dot for each app - not very useful [14:41] unity launcher doesn't work well either for that setup :( [14:43] Ah, nor do I. I meant the tall thing at the middle bottom of the screen [14:43] where 'tall' is about an inch tall [14:43] Ach, I just googled it and it is what I was thinking it was. I've no idea how it works though, I've only seen screenshots [14:47] it is an app launcher + window chooser combined. [14:47] except that you can also add funtionality, e.g. pidgin shows unread messages, banshee icon allows right-click and play/pause etc. === victorp_ is now known as victorp [14:52] ahh [14:52] that sounds a bit handy [14:52] http://ubuntuone.com/p/vvs/ [14:53] the dots under the icons show apps that are open, and if there are multiple windows of the same type, you can click right mouse and see the window names [14:53] oooh [14:54] also u don't then have to worry which virtual desktop your liferea reader is on etc [14:54] it switches for you and work continues [14:55] which is sort of what unity is intended to do, but not quite there yet in terms of functionality i feel [14:58] I'm a bit tempted to try that, except for the fact that I'm completely conditioned into not using the taskbar [15:01] i didn't see the point on my laptop cos i only regularly use 4 windows or so, but at work i leave a huge amount of stuff running for weeks, and it's crucial for my workflow [15:02] ah, yeah. Most of my issue is managing screen, er, screens [15:24]