[00:23]  * seidos shakes his pom poms
[00:41] <sn9> i need another place to live in Sac before the month is over. craigslist has only a couple ads in my price range, and they've already turned me down
[00:52]  * seidos contemplates that problem
[00:53] <seidos> i don't see that there is anything i can do
[00:53] <seidos> i have family in the sacramento area, but we really aren't close
[00:54] <seidos> and if we were, they would probably still not be willing to help
[00:54] <seidos> i *may* have a couch open here, but i have to talk to the coach
[00:54] <seidos> disregard that last sentence, i'm not in sac
[00:55] <seidos> sacrament-o
[00:55] <seidos> interesting
[00:56] <seidos> perhaps you could check with a priest/pastor/monk in the area
[00:56] <seidos> sn9: ^
[00:57] <sn9> like who?
[01:12] <seidos> i dunno.  pick some religions, and check it out on google maps.
[01:12] <seidos> there may be a zen center in sacramento, or various christian denominations.
[01:13] <seidos> i dunno, it's worth checking out sn9, to see if there are any religions that will put their money where their mouth is
[01:13] <seidos> i tried to stay at the SF zen center, sn9, but that didn't work out.  never got a return email from them.  maybe they had enough negative monkies already
[01:14] <sn9> that's not encouraging
[01:18] <seidos> well, change is encouraging
[01:18] <seidos> don't be like my past self
[01:18] <seidos> who i guess is now dead in a sense
[01:19] <seidos> let's a mock funeral for the "last year me"
[01:19] <seidos> oh drat, he came back and stole the "have"
[01:22] <seidos> he = "last year me"
[01:22] <seidos> get it?
[01:22] <seidos> i better /usr/sbin/pm-suspend now
[19:32] <kdub> what up channel
[20:07] <gueriLLaPunK> not enjoying this freaky may weather... its suppose to be warm!
[20:13] <nhaines> 70 isn't warm?
[20:14] <sn9> 70 is friggin' hot to me
[20:20] <seidos> 70 is nominal for me
[20:20] <seidos> watt up kdub
[20:20] <seidos> unless i exercise, but cold showers remedy this
[20:31] <akk> 70 is nice. Earlier in the week they were predicting low 60s and rain today, so I'm happy with how it turned out.
[21:17] <kdub> 70 is ideal. is that what its like up in LA?
[22:18] <Elep> Yo yo
[22:18] <sn9> welcome
[22:18] <Elep> How goes it
[22:18] <MarkDude> Hello Elep
[22:18] <sn9> it's been quiet in the channel
[22:18] <sn9> MarkDude: you're back already?
[22:18] <MarkDude> Well, she had some stuff to do today
[22:18] <MarkDude> So we are meeting up later
[22:18] <sn9> how long do you have?
[22:18] <MarkDude> It appears I may be changing my relationship status on FB
[22:18] <Elep> lol
[22:19] <sn9> from what to what?
[22:19]  * MarkDude is no longer single
[22:19] <MarkDude> :D
[22:19] <Elep> :D
[22:19] <Elep> Good for you
[22:19] <kdemarest> MarkDude: one love, i hope it works out for the both of you
[22:19] <sn9> if i used FB, i would now be changing it from "it's complicated" to "single and not looking"
[22:19] <kdemarest> oh i just changed my wiki and launchpad wiki's to this name
[22:19] <kdemarest> it's like, real
[22:20] <sn9> kdemarest: i liked it better before
[22:20] <MarkDude> real is good
[22:20] <MarkDude> Dont pay attention to sn9
[22:20] <kdemarest> sn9: no you didn't
[22:20] <sn9> for irc, i mean
[22:20] <sn9> not for e-mail and the like
[22:20] <sn9> that sucked
[22:20] <MarkDude> his other nick is *myspoonistoobig
[22:20] <kdemarest> it did T_T
[22:20] <kdemarest> it's all good though, moving forward, not backward
[22:20] <sn9> we're in agreement, then
[22:21] <kdemarest> MarkDude: have you been meditating or dropping acid?
[22:21] <sn9> [Fri 2011-05-27 02:21:10 PM PDT] -NickServ- Nicks      : sn9 DrStrangelove DonkeyHotei danielg4 iScream MySpoonIsTooBig ANTIramisu MyHorseIsAmazing
[22:21] <kdemarest> ah, i actually do have a big spoon next to me right now
[22:22] <kdemarest> there is no spoon
[22:22] <Elep> MarkDude made me sign into FB. Rare occurence.
[22:22] <Elep> All you guys live in Cali?
[22:22] <MarkDude> lol
[22:22] <kdemarest> i prefer twitter
[22:23]  * MarkDude is in NorCal
[22:23] <kdemarest> hopefully i'll get away from it as well
[22:23] <kdemarest> SoCal here
[22:23]  * MarkDude thinks of himself as West Coast
[22:23] <Elep> I'm from by Sacramento. Actually more by Folsom.
[22:23] <Elep> I'm literally in Alaska but there's no one in that channel :/
[22:23] <MarkDude> Cool Elep - we should have something in Walnut Creek soon- I know some folks drive there from Sac
[22:24] <Elep> You guys hold events? That's cool.
[22:24] <Elep> Good to have something to do...
[22:24] <MarkDude> Well- you arfe a bit North- but you can idle in Oregon if you like
[22:24] <pleia2> I'm going to canada tonight, that's kind of like alaska
[22:24] <kdemarest> i think of "myself" as all of reality, but fleshly, i am west coast
[22:24] <MarkDude> Canada is far more well behaved
[22:25] <pleia2> haha
[22:25] <MarkDude> Alaska has Alaskans
[22:25] <MarkDude> Even felons can own guns there
[22:25] <Elep> Is that true?
[22:25] <Elep> I'm not so sure.
[22:25]  * MarkDude had lots of foks from Alakska while in PNW
[22:26] <Elep> That's cool. I've been thru Canada. Very beautiful.
[22:26]  * MarkDude is relying on what his friends ffrom there said
[22:26] <kdemarest> i watched this horrific video on the sex trade in romania, made me cry
[22:26] <pleia2> I've only ever been to niagara falls
[22:26] <pleia2> should be an interesting weekend :)
[22:26] <kdemarest> i've only ever been to Epcot
[22:26] <pleia2> I learned today that SFO doesn't count canada as international
[22:26] <Elep> My friend I work with in Geeksquad lived in niagara falls
[22:27] <pleia2> so flights leave out of regular terminals
[22:27] <Elep> What's SFO?
[22:27] <pleia2> san francisco airport
[22:27] <Elep> That's a beautiful airport. I love that city.
[22:27] <philipballew> Elp i'm from auburn!
[22:27] <Elep> We would go walking around the city. No need for a car
[22:28] <philipballew> *elep
[22:28] <MarkDude> kdemarest, things like that remind me how LUCKY I am to live where I do
[22:28] <pleia2> yeah, we only really use our car in the city to do grocery shopping
[22:28] <philipballew> ** Elep
[22:28] <Elep> Yea it worked philipballew ;)
[22:28] <MarkDude> I mean south Central LA is not that bad - when you step back and look at it that way
[22:28] <kdemarest> MarkDude: i don't believe in luck
[22:28] <Elep> Totally. I wouldn't mind not having a car.
[22:28] <philipballew> biking is where its at
[22:28] <Elep> ^
[22:28] <kdemarest> MarkDude: but i know what you're trying to say
[22:29]  * MarkDude would rather have luck than smarts any day
[22:29] <philipballew> i biked to sacramento the other day and loved it
[22:29] <philipballew> 30 miles
[22:29] <Elep> Wow that's a long way
[22:29] <kdemarest> i suspect nowhere is very bad as long as one has friends
[22:30] <philipballew> when i was in san diego i hated it for the first month untill i made friends
[22:30] <pleia2> friends help
[22:30] <philipballew> Elep, the climb back up th auburn was bad thogh
[22:30] <Elep> I'm sure.
[22:31] <Elep> Idk much about that area. I know it's a richer neighborhood I think..
[22:31] <kdemarest> the presence of someone you know that cares is often enough to help
[22:31] <philipballew> Elep, folsom is richer then auburn correct?
[22:31] <kdub> too many bikers in san diego
[22:31] <kdemarest> what's wrong with bikers?
[22:31] <philipballew> kdub, critical mass is sd tonight 8pm!
[22:31] <Elep> Yea I only worked in Folsom, so Idk if they were richer or not. A lot of rich people there though.
[22:32] <philipballew> where you work Elep?
[22:32] <Elep> I worked at Intel and there was quite an influx of rich people from certain areas of Folsom
[22:32] <Elep> Past tense
[22:32] <kdub> philipballew: yeah, cant make it yet again, wish it was on like a tuesday
[22:32] <Elep> Right now I work at Geeksquad in ak
[22:32] <philipballew> i was going to go to intel this week and give flyers for the ubuntu hour im starting in sac area
[22:32] <philipballew> ak?
[22:32] <Elep> That's cool
[22:32] <Elep> Alaska philipballew
[22:33] <Elep> I'm near anchorage
[22:33] <kdemarest> i need to get a bike, i had one in SF
[22:33] <Elep> But I lived in Ca my whole life so I feel the love.
[22:33] <kdemarest> there's one in Downey, but it need a new chain, and i just moved (again)
[22:33] <kdemarest> phew
[22:33] <Elep> kdemarest have you heard of Chrome shoes?
[22:33] <kdemarest> hmmm, Alaska.  i hear it's beautiful there
[22:33] <Elep> It's wonderful.
[22:33] <philipballew> oh swet!!!
[22:33] <kdemarest> Elep: i've heard of Chrome the web navigator
[22:34] <Elep> If you bike a lot Chrome shoes is in SF, great store.
[22:34] <kdemarest> i wanted to go ice diving there
[22:34] <kdemarest> Elep: if i go back, i'll try to remember
[22:34] <kdemarest> i'm in LA now
[22:34] <philipballew> kdub, then people cant get as drunk on the ride. this guy was oulling a trailer full og bud last time
[22:34] <Elep> http://www.chromebagsstore.com/shoes.html
[22:34] <kdemarest> have a drink!  be merry!
[22:35]  * kdemarest drinks a glass of h2o
[22:35] <Elep> Me too. Water is awesome.
[22:35] <kdub> sounds illegal
[22:35] <philipballew> kdub, they arrested him halfway through the race, but i suppect he considered it worthit
[22:36] <kdemarest> Elep: too bad they don't sell tape
[22:36] <kdemarest> Elep: are they affiliated with google?
[22:37] <philipballew> kdub, well not really a race, more a giant party hippie ride
[22:38] <kdub> thats ok, i'm not going anyways :P
[22:38] <philipballew> lol. for sure!
[22:39] <kdemarest> like this stuff:  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31k8aIH14lL._SL500_.jpg
[22:39] <kdemarest> i wonder if it would work like the dragons or vibram 5 fingers
[22:39] <kdemarest> i should get some
[22:40] <Elep> kdemarest no they're not affiliated
[22:40] <kdemarest> ah, it's probably more wasteful than the 5 fingers
[22:40] <kdemarest> since it isn't that reusable
[22:40] <Elep> What do you need the tape for?
[22:40] <kdemarest> jogging
[22:40] <Elep> I'm not familiar with heavy riding so
[22:40] <Elep> What do you put it on?
[22:40] <kdemarest> concrete is tough on bare feet
[22:40] <Elep> Ooo
[22:40] <Elep> Yea that's a good idea
[22:41] <kdemarest> it's a thing out here, so i was trying it out
[22:41] <kdemarest> the friction is the worst part actually
[22:41] <Elep> What do you mean
[22:41] <kdemarest> i guess that's why the 5 fingers, well, the socks are good
[22:41] <kdemarest> er, well, it's cold in alaska so i guess you shouldn't try it
[22:41] <Elep> lol
[22:41] <kdemarest> gotta' take care of the feet
[22:41] <Elep> It's not cold right now man
[22:41] <Elep> It's like 70
[22:42] <kdemarest> whuh?
[22:42] <Elep> Beautiful
[22:42] <kdemarest> awesome, same here
[22:42] <Elep> Yea people forget we have summer here too ;)
[22:42] <kdemarest> except those crows...i never know what they are laughing at :/
[22:42] <Elep> It's also like 20 hrs of sunlight as well
[22:42] <Elep> Sun comes up around 3AM
[22:42] <kdemarest> i'm going to pet them in my mind
[22:42] <kdemarest> anyway, so go for a walk barefoot
[22:42] <kdemarest> on sidewalk
[22:43] <kdemarest> you'll see what i mean, probably after about 3 blocks
[22:43] <kdemarest> well, jog it if you can
[22:43] <MarkDude> Just updated FB status, feel like a little kid :)
[22:43] <kdemarest> wise children
[22:43] <kdemarest> precocious
[22:44] <kdemarest> operation rainbow bridge
[22:44] <kdemarest> disneyland and beyond
[22:45] <kdub> MarkDude: for updating facebook?
[22:46] <Elep> kdemarest I would just get sandles or something for walking barefoot
[22:46] <Elep> Some good birkenstock sandles, which I need.
[22:46] <Elep> When I was in hawaii I really wanted some of those, and almost ordered some. Some of the are really nice.
[22:46] <Elep> Expensive though.
[22:47] <kdemarest> MarkDude: what do you think of this song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3KrGI3Yxd8
[22:47] <kdemarest> when i was in hawaii, i should've just walked around barefoot
[22:47] <kdemarest> but nooooo, i had to go to bars like a Barney
[22:48] <Elep> Yea screw bars. What's a barney?
[22:48] <Elep> A freakin dinosaur for lil kids I've seen.
[22:48] <kdemarest> i think a mainland tourist
[22:48] <Elep> Oh ok lol.
[22:48] <kdemarest> haha Barney:  http://pbskids.kids.us/images/sub-square-barney.gif
[22:49] <kdemarest> here's another Barney:  http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6300000/The-Flintstones-Barney-Rubble-the-flintstones-6386160-350-454.jpg
[22:49] <Elep> Awesome.
[22:50] <kdemarest> Dhamma
[22:51] <Elep> Is that a buddhist thing, my girlfriend's a buddhist
[22:52] <Elep> I learned how to tie a tie yesterday. I was going thru all the youtube videos. I think my fav is the Prat knot.
[22:52] <Elep> There's so many..
[22:52] <akk> re walking barefoot: does anybody make something like light slippers to simulate walking barefoot while protecting against concrete and rocks?
[22:52] <akk> Like the five fingers things only not so expensive and without the separate-toe part.
[22:52] <kdemarest> whoa, there are live surgeries on youtube
[22:53] <kdemarest> akk: you can try tai boxing tape.  might be a decent hack
[22:53] <akk> Tthe non-resuable thing mentioned earlier would bother me.
[22:54] <kdemarest> dang, doctors are crazy
[22:54] <akk> Like that rubbery wrist-wrap stuff -- works great but I hate how I have to throw it away after a couple days.
[22:54] <kdemarest> bad or good, i dunno
[22:55] <kdemarest> oh, hmmm, rubberbands might work, but they can constrict
[22:55] <akk> One of these days I'll try just getting a light piece of rubber and gluing stuff to it to make sandals, I guess.
[22:55] <kdemarest> maybe old ide cables tied onto the foot
[22:55] <kdemarest> really the issue is the sole
[22:55] <kdemarest> soul pun
[22:56] <akk> Long time ago I had this great pair of moccasins, thin rubber sole, suede upper, wore 'em everywhere
[22:56] <kdub> did they last a long time?
[22:56] <akk> 'til I ruined them slogging through high tide at stinson beach
[22:56] <akk> They lasted a few years, before that
[23:02] <kdemarest> man, i am way too squeamish to be a doctor.
[23:02] <kdemarest> i just watched a video of a tummy tuck, it looks horrific
[23:02] <kdub> akk: i like chucks. they hold up on the beach pretty ok too
[23:02] <kdemarest> i have vans with little robots on them
[23:05] <akk> I've read that some docs are squeamish when they enter med school, and it's possible to get over that.
[23:06] <akk> Though I'm not sure why you'd aim at that as a career if your early reaction to it is ewwww.
[23:07] <kdemarest> my reaction isn't "ewwww" it "owwww"
[23:07] <kdemarest> *it's
[23:10] <akk> kdemarest: Like Converse? Those don't seem much like being barefoot.
[23:11] <kdemarest> akk: no, the slip ons.  they were $25, and i needed shoes.  i had some "water shoes" but those were a bad buy.
[23:12] <kdemarest> ironically, if i had just bought the vibrams in the first place, i probably wouldn't have spent that much more
[23:12] <kdemarest> i'm not even sure where to get them though, i don't see them in the ads in the paper.  maybe after my next two pair of shoes break i'll get some.
[23:13] <kdemarest> i bought a pair of airwalks for $5 @ good will
[23:13] <akk> I'm not finding anything googling for chucks slip-ons that looks thin-soled.
[23:13] <akk> I have some "water shoes" but they have relatively beefy soles too.
[23:13] <kdemarest> yeah, i gave my water shoes away.  they didn't work in the rain very well
[23:14] <kdemarest> honestly, i think just save up and buy the good stuff
[23:14] <akk> I got them for kayaking and they're okay for that, but really sandals work just as well.
[23:14] <kdemarest> in the meantime, you can walk and run barefoot
[23:15] <kdemarest> toughen up the souls, it doesn't hurt too bad if you don't over do it
[23:15] <akk> And we've pretty much stopped kayaking since they imposed all the rules and costs related to zebra mussels.
[23:15] <kdemarest> i <3 zebra mussels
[23:15] <akk> They've really messed up anything related to boating in bay area reservoirs.
[23:16] <kdemarest> why?  they're growing on boats?
[23:16] <kdemarest> i cleaned yachts for a day, but it interfered with school so i stopped.  unfortunately, at the time, i didn't realize i should've just kept cleaning the yachts
[23:17] <kdemarest> it was a fun job
[23:17] <akk> They stick to boats, and move that way from an infested reservoir to one that they haven't colonized yet.
[23:17] <kdub> so... paint the boats with poison. seems pretty simple to me...
[23:17] <akk> So you have to get (and pay for) an inspection every time you put in any reservoir.
[23:17] <kdemarest> hmmm, i wonder if regular boat cleaning would fix this problem
[23:18] <kdemarest> boat cleaning was pricey iirc
[23:18] <kdemarest> i mean, to pay a guy to dive in the water with scuba gear and a scraper...
[23:19] <akk> They inspect them out of the water. Why try to do it underwater?
[23:19] <kdemarest> i think they paid me $12 an hour, but the guy that was replacing zincs and stuff was making like 40 or 50k a year
[23:20] <akk> Anyway, when they're in the water, mussels can still attach, so it only makes sense to inspect/clean when they're out.
[23:20] <kdemarest> wait they inspect kayaks?
[23:20] <akk> The rules are written for boats. There's no distinction made for kayaks.
[23:20] <akk> So if d and I put our two kayaks in a reservoir, at most places we have to pay a launch fee that's double what a huge motorboat with 12 people aboard would pay
[23:20] <akk> because we have, you know, two boats
[23:21] <kdemarest> can you sneak past?
[23:21] <akk> Crazy stupid rules.
[23:21] <kdemarest> what if you bring a bow and arrow?
[23:21] <akk> Yeah, usually we just find places upstream to put in.
[23:21] <kdemarest> war cry?
[23:21] <kdemarest> nice
[23:21] <akk> But That was before zebra mussels, dunno if they're enforcing things more now.
[23:21] <kdemarest> zebras have bigger muscles than me i think :(
[23:22] <kdemarest> how strange, all they do is run :o
[23:22] <kdemarest> maybe a lot of sprinting
[23:22] <kdemarest> i hope not, kayaking is totally chill.  they should be kayaking with you
[23:22] <kdub> in SD, we just plop boats down and go
[23:22] <kdub> what about paddle-boarding?
[23:22] <kdemarest> i went kayaking a few times in long beach
[23:23] <kdemarest> brought mask and snorkel, then dove in where there were some jelly fish
[23:23] <akk> In the bay we can still just plop and go, but not in the freshwater reservoirs.
[23:23] <kdemarest> they didn't sting very bad
[23:26] <kdub> yeah, zebra mussels are annoying. asian carp is what everyone was worrying about in MI
[23:27] <kdemarest> they're just sitting there, i think big boats are annoying
[23:27] <kdemarest> all polluting and junk
[23:28] <kdemarest> this is an interesting picture, a shopping cart full of zebra mussels:  http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/zebra_mussel_shopping_cart.gif
[23:28] <kdub> international trade based on sailboats went out of style in the 19th century :P
[23:29] <kdemarest> true, i wouldn't have this laptop if it weren't for huge cargo ships
[23:29] <kdemarest> maybe i'd have a pet zebra mussel though
[23:29] <kdemarest> and maybe we'd live next door, and went surfing every morning
[23:30] <kdemarest> and played soccer on the weekends
[23:31] <akk> I've heard speculation that huge cargo sailboats (high-tech ones) might come back, with oil prices rising and worry about global warming.
[23:31] <kdemarest> whoa, that's interesting
[23:32] <kdemarest> we'll probably have to wait for it to become financially feasible
[23:32] <kdemarest> which means peak oil i bet
[23:32] <akk> I think Jim Clark's sailboat is controlled by Irix ... probably most of that software would easily port to Linux. :)
[23:32] <kdemarest> or not, it could happen sooner
[23:33] <kdemarest> yeah, if you could find a developer willing to port it
[23:35] <akk> You kidding? work on software for cutting-edge sailboats?
[23:35] <kdemarest> ah, you mean like a j-o-b
[23:35] <kdemarest> yeah, that's be cool
[23:35] <pleia2> we manage some servers at a shipyard, one of which runs the database that holds all the specs for cutting giant ships
[23:36] <akk> I bet lots of people would port it just to get to ride on the sailboat. But they can certainly afford to pay.
[23:36] <kdemarest> working on Irix would be like asking me to work Weld.  i don't have a welder, or the space to do it.
[23:36] <pleia2> going on site there is fun times, but you need to wear a hard hat on you way to the IT department and server room :)
[23:36] <kdemarest> *on
[23:36] <akk> I worked on Irix for years. Liked it a lot -- it was a good Unix.
[23:37] <kdemarest> i read this article today that said dressing like men helps women to close the pay gap
[23:37] <kdemarest> actually, welding is too easy.  it would be like asking me to perform reparative surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome
[23:37] <kdemarest> what would the software be running, anyway?  communications and nav?
[23:38] <akk> those, and controlling the sails (and maybe motor when there's no wind)
[23:38] <akk> and maybe the rudder
[23:39] <kdemarest> that does sound interesting
[23:39] <akk> and things like climate controls, window shutters, lighting etc.
[23:39] <kdemarest> climate controls?  window shutters?  lighting?  what's wrong with a manual switch?
[23:40] <kdemarest> i guess if you can afford a huge sail boat, you're too busy to turn a light switch
[23:40] <akk> oh, and the sound system. Rich people's yachts are not like an 8' sabot. :)
[23:42] <kdemarest> bot?
[23:42] <kdemarest> i think the yachts i saw were like 40 feet
[23:43] <kdemarest> bigger ones were like 80 feet
[23:43] <akk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_%28yacht%29
[23:44] <kdemarest> wouldn't use a yacht to ship, anyway
[23:44] <kdemarest> i'm not a fan of yachts
[23:45] <kdemarest> i guess a clipper would be nice, if it doubled as a house