[00:23] * seidos shakes his pom poms [00:41] i need another place to live in Sac before the month is over. craigslist has only a couple ads in my price range, and they've already turned me down [00:52] * seidos contemplates that problem [00:53] i don't see that there is anything i can do [00:53] i have family in the sacramento area, but we really aren't close [00:54] and if we were, they would probably still not be willing to help [00:54] i *may* have a couch open here, but i have to talk to the coach [00:54] disregard that last sentence, i'm not in sac [00:55] sacrament-o [00:55] interesting [00:56] perhaps you could check with a priest/pastor/monk in the area [00:56] sn9: ^ [00:57] like who? [01:12] i dunno. pick some religions, and check it out on google maps. [01:12] there may be a zen center in sacramento, or various christian denominations. [01:13] i dunno, it's worth checking out sn9, to see if there are any religions that will put their money where their mouth is [01:13] i tried to stay at the SF zen center, sn9, but that didn't work out. never got a return email from them. maybe they had enough negative monkies already [01:14] that's not encouraging [01:18] well, change is encouraging [01:18] don't be like my past self [01:18] who i guess is now dead in a sense [01:19] let's a mock funeral for the "last year me" [01:19] oh drat, he came back and stole the "have" [01:22] he = "last year me" [01:22] get it? [01:22] i better /usr/sbin/pm-suspend now [19:32] what up channel [20:07] not enjoying this freaky may weather... its suppose to be warm! [20:13] 70 isn't warm? [20:14] 70 is friggin' hot to me [20:20] 70 is nominal for me [20:20] watt up kdub [20:20] unless i exercise, but cold showers remedy this [20:31] 70 is nice. Earlier in the week they were predicting low 60s and rain today, so I'm happy with how it turned out. [21:17] 70 is ideal. is that what its like up in LA? === seidos is now known as kevin78 === kevin78 is now known as kdemarest [22:18] Yo yo [22:18] welcome [22:18] How goes it [22:18] Hello Elep [22:18] it's been quiet in the channel [22:18] MarkDude: you're back already? [22:18] Well, she had some stuff to do today [22:18] So we are meeting up later [22:18] how long do you have? [22:18] It appears I may be changing my relationship status on FB [22:18] lol [22:19] from what to what? [22:19] * MarkDude is no longer single [22:19] :D [22:19] :D [22:19] Good for you [22:19] MarkDude: one love, i hope it works out for the both of you [22:19] if i used FB, i would now be changing it from "it's complicated" to "single and not looking" [22:19] oh i just changed my wiki and launchpad wiki's to this name [22:19] it's like, real [22:20] kdemarest: i liked it better before [22:20] real is good [22:20] Dont pay attention to sn9 [22:20] sn9: no you didn't [22:20] for irc, i mean [22:20] not for e-mail and the like [22:20] that sucked [22:20] his other nick is *myspoonistoobig [22:20] it did T_T [22:20] it's all good though, moving forward, not backward [22:20] we're in agreement, then [22:21] MarkDude: have you been meditating or dropping acid? [22:21] [Fri 2011-05-27 02:21:10 PM PDT] -NickServ- Nicks : sn9 DrStrangelove DonkeyHotei danielg4 iScream MySpoonIsTooBig ANTIramisu MyHorseIsAmazing [22:21] ah, i actually do have a big spoon next to me right now [22:22] there is no spoon [22:22] MarkDude made me sign into FB. Rare occurence. [22:22] All you guys live in Cali? [22:22] lol [22:22] i prefer twitter [22:23] * MarkDude is in NorCal [22:23] hopefully i'll get away from it as well [22:23] SoCal here [22:23] * MarkDude thinks of himself as West Coast [22:23] I'm from by Sacramento. Actually more by Folsom. [22:23] I'm literally in Alaska but there's no one in that channel :/ [22:23] Cool Elep - we should have something in Walnut Creek soon- I know some folks drive there from Sac [22:24] You guys hold events? That's cool. [22:24] Good to have something to do... [22:24] Well- you arfe a bit North- but you can idle in Oregon if you like [22:24] I'm going to canada tonight, that's kind of like alaska [22:24] i think of "myself" as all of reality, but fleshly, i am west coast [22:24] Canada is far more well behaved [22:25] haha [22:25] Alaska has Alaskans [22:25] Even felons can own guns there [22:25] Is that true? [22:25] I'm not so sure. [22:25] * MarkDude had lots of foks from Alakska while in PNW [22:26] That's cool. I've been thru Canada. Very beautiful. [22:26] * MarkDude is relying on what his friends ffrom there said [22:26] i watched this horrific video on the sex trade in romania, made me cry [22:26] I've only ever been to niagara falls [22:26] should be an interesting weekend :) [22:26] i've only ever been to Epcot [22:26] I learned today that SFO doesn't count canada as international [22:26] My friend I work with in Geeksquad lived in niagara falls [22:27] so flights leave out of regular terminals [22:27] What's SFO? [22:27] san francisco airport [22:27] That's a beautiful airport. I love that city. [22:27] Elp i'm from auburn! [22:27] We would go walking around the city. No need for a car [22:28] *elep [22:28] kdemarest, things like that remind me how LUCKY I am to live where I do [22:28] yeah, we only really use our car in the city to do grocery shopping [22:28] ** Elep [22:28] Yea it worked philipballew ;) [22:28] I mean south Central LA is not that bad - when you step back and look at it that way [22:28] MarkDude: i don't believe in luck [22:28] Totally. I wouldn't mind not having a car. [22:28] biking is where its at [22:28] ^ [22:28] MarkDude: but i know what you're trying to say [22:29] * MarkDude would rather have luck than smarts any day [22:29] i biked to sacramento the other day and loved it [22:29] 30 miles [22:29] Wow that's a long way [22:29] i suspect nowhere is very bad as long as one has friends [22:30] when i was in san diego i hated it for the first month untill i made friends [22:30] friends help [22:30] Elep, the climb back up th auburn was bad thogh [22:30] I'm sure. [22:31] Idk much about that area. I know it's a richer neighborhood I think.. [22:31] the presence of someone you know that cares is often enough to help [22:31] Elep, folsom is richer then auburn correct? [22:31] too many bikers in san diego [22:31] what's wrong with bikers? [22:31] kdub, critical mass is sd tonight 8pm! [22:31] Yea I only worked in Folsom, so Idk if they were richer or not. A lot of rich people there though. [22:32] where you work Elep? [22:32] I worked at Intel and there was quite an influx of rich people from certain areas of Folsom [22:32] Past tense [22:32] philipballew: yeah, cant make it yet again, wish it was on like a tuesday [22:32] Right now I work at Geeksquad in ak [22:32] i was going to go to intel this week and give flyers for the ubuntu hour im starting in sac area [22:32] ak? [22:32] That's cool [22:32] Alaska philipballew [22:33] I'm near anchorage [22:33] i need to get a bike, i had one in SF [22:33] But I lived in Ca my whole life so I feel the love. [22:33] there's one in Downey, but it need a new chain, and i just moved (again) [22:33] phew [22:33] kdemarest have you heard of Chrome shoes? [22:33] hmmm, Alaska. i hear it's beautiful there [22:33] It's wonderful. [22:33] oh swet!!! [22:33] Elep: i've heard of Chrome the web navigator [22:34] If you bike a lot Chrome shoes is in SF, great store. [22:34] i wanted to go ice diving there [22:34] Elep: if i go back, i'll try to remember [22:34] i'm in LA now [22:34] kdub, then people cant get as drunk on the ride. this guy was oulling a trailer full og bud last time [22:34] http://www.chromebagsstore.com/shoes.html [22:34] have a drink! be merry! [22:35] * kdemarest drinks a glass of h2o [22:35] Me too. Water is awesome. [22:35] sounds illegal [22:35] kdub, they arrested him halfway through the race, but i suppect he considered it worthit [22:36] Elep: too bad they don't sell tape [22:36] Elep: are they affiliated with google? [22:37] kdub, well not really a race, more a giant party hippie ride [22:38] thats ok, i'm not going anyways :P [22:38] lol. for sure! [22:39] like this stuff: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31k8aIH14lL._SL500_.jpg [22:39] i wonder if it would work like the dragons or vibram 5 fingers [22:39] i should get some [22:40] kdemarest no they're not affiliated [22:40] ah, it's probably more wasteful than the 5 fingers [22:40] since it isn't that reusable [22:40] What do you need the tape for? [22:40] jogging [22:40] I'm not familiar with heavy riding so [22:40] What do you put it on? [22:40] concrete is tough on bare feet [22:40] Ooo [22:40] Yea that's a good idea [22:41] it's a thing out here, so i was trying it out [22:41] the friction is the worst part actually [22:41] What do you mean [22:41] i guess that's why the 5 fingers, well, the socks are good [22:41] er, well, it's cold in alaska so i guess you shouldn't try it [22:41] lol [22:41] gotta' take care of the feet [22:41] It's not cold right now man [22:41] It's like 70 [22:42] whuh? [22:42] Beautiful [22:42] awesome, same here [22:42] Yea people forget we have summer here too ;) [22:42] except those crows...i never know what they are laughing at :/ [22:42] It's also like 20 hrs of sunlight as well [22:42] Sun comes up around 3AM [22:42] i'm going to pet them in my mind [22:42] anyway, so go for a walk barefoot [22:42] on sidewalk [22:43] you'll see what i mean, probably after about 3 blocks [22:43] well, jog it if you can [22:43] Just updated FB status, feel like a little kid :) [22:43] wise children [22:43] precocious [22:44] operation rainbow bridge [22:44] disneyland and beyond [22:45] MarkDude: for updating facebook? [22:46] kdemarest I would just get sandles or something for walking barefoot [22:46] Some good birkenstock sandles, which I need. [22:46] When I was in hawaii I really wanted some of those, and almost ordered some. Some of the are really nice. [22:46] Expensive though. [22:47] MarkDude: what do you think of this song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3KrGI3Yxd8 [22:47] when i was in hawaii, i should've just walked around barefoot [22:47] but nooooo, i had to go to bars like a Barney [22:48] Yea screw bars. What's a barney? [22:48] A freakin dinosaur for lil kids I've seen. [22:48] i think a mainland tourist [22:48] Oh ok lol. [22:48] haha Barney: http://pbskids.kids.us/images/sub-square-barney.gif [22:49] here's another Barney: http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6300000/The-Flintstones-Barney-Rubble-the-flintstones-6386160-350-454.jpg [22:49] Awesome. [22:50] Dhamma [22:51] Is that a buddhist thing, my girlfriend's a buddhist [22:52] I learned how to tie a tie yesterday. I was going thru all the youtube videos. I think my fav is the Prat knot. [22:52] There's so many.. [22:52] re walking barefoot: does anybody make something like light slippers to simulate walking barefoot while protecting against concrete and rocks? [22:52] Like the five fingers things only not so expensive and without the separate-toe part. [22:52] whoa, there are live surgeries on youtube [22:53] akk: you can try tai boxing tape. might be a decent hack [22:53] Tthe non-resuable thing mentioned earlier would bother me. [22:54] dang, doctors are crazy [22:54] Like that rubbery wrist-wrap stuff -- works great but I hate how I have to throw it away after a couple days. [22:54] bad or good, i dunno [22:55] oh, hmmm, rubberbands might work, but they can constrict [22:55] One of these days I'll try just getting a light piece of rubber and gluing stuff to it to make sandals, I guess. [22:55] maybe old ide cables tied onto the foot [22:55] really the issue is the sole [22:55] soul pun [22:56] Long time ago I had this great pair of moccasins, thin rubber sole, suede upper, wore 'em everywhere [22:56] did they last a long time? [22:56] 'til I ruined them slogging through high tide at stinson beach [22:56] They lasted a few years, before that [23:02] man, i am way too squeamish to be a doctor. [23:02] i just watched a video of a tummy tuck, it looks horrific [23:02] akk: i like chucks. they hold up on the beach pretty ok too [23:02] i have vans with little robots on them [23:05] I've read that some docs are squeamish when they enter med school, and it's possible to get over that. [23:06] Though I'm not sure why you'd aim at that as a career if your early reaction to it is ewwww. [23:07] my reaction isn't "ewwww" it "owwww" [23:07] *it's [23:10] kdemarest: Like Converse? Those don't seem much like being barefoot. [23:11] akk: no, the slip ons. they were $25, and i needed shoes. i had some "water shoes" but those were a bad buy. [23:12] ironically, if i had just bought the vibrams in the first place, i probably wouldn't have spent that much more [23:12] i'm not even sure where to get them though, i don't see them in the ads in the paper. maybe after my next two pair of shoes break i'll get some. [23:13] i bought a pair of airwalks for $5 @ good will [23:13] I'm not finding anything googling for chucks slip-ons that looks thin-soled. [23:13] I have some "water shoes" but they have relatively beefy soles too. [23:13] yeah, i gave my water shoes away. they didn't work in the rain very well [23:14] honestly, i think just save up and buy the good stuff [23:14] I got them for kayaking and they're okay for that, but really sandals work just as well. [23:14] in the meantime, you can walk and run barefoot [23:15] toughen up the souls, it doesn't hurt too bad if you don't over do it [23:15] And we've pretty much stopped kayaking since they imposed all the rules and costs related to zebra mussels. [23:15] i <3 zebra mussels [23:15] They've really messed up anything related to boating in bay area reservoirs. [23:16] why? they're growing on boats? [23:16] i cleaned yachts for a day, but it interfered with school so i stopped. unfortunately, at the time, i didn't realize i should've just kept cleaning the yachts [23:17] it was a fun job [23:17] They stick to boats, and move that way from an infested reservoir to one that they haven't colonized yet. [23:17] so... paint the boats with poison. seems pretty simple to me... [23:17] So you have to get (and pay for) an inspection every time you put in any reservoir. [23:17] hmmm, i wonder if regular boat cleaning would fix this problem [23:18] boat cleaning was pricey iirc [23:18] i mean, to pay a guy to dive in the water with scuba gear and a scraper... [23:19] They inspect them out of the water. Why try to do it underwater? [23:19] i think they paid me $12 an hour, but the guy that was replacing zincs and stuff was making like 40 or 50k a year [23:20] Anyway, when they're in the water, mussels can still attach, so it only makes sense to inspect/clean when they're out. [23:20] wait they inspect kayaks? [23:20] The rules are written for boats. There's no distinction made for kayaks. [23:20] So if d and I put our two kayaks in a reservoir, at most places we have to pay a launch fee that's double what a huge motorboat with 12 people aboard would pay [23:20] because we have, you know, two boats [23:21] can you sneak past? [23:21] Crazy stupid rules. [23:21] what if you bring a bow and arrow? [23:21] Yeah, usually we just find places upstream to put in. [23:21] war cry? [23:21] nice [23:21] But That was before zebra mussels, dunno if they're enforcing things more now. [23:21] zebras have bigger muscles than me i think :( [23:22] how strange, all they do is run :o [23:22] maybe a lot of sprinting [23:22] i hope not, kayaking is totally chill. they should be kayaking with you [23:22] in SD, we just plop boats down and go [23:22] what about paddle-boarding? [23:22] i went kayaking a few times in long beach [23:23] brought mask and snorkel, then dove in where there were some jelly fish [23:23] In the bay we can still just plop and go, but not in the freshwater reservoirs. [23:23] they didn't sting very bad [23:26] yeah, zebra mussels are annoying. asian carp is what everyone was worrying about in MI [23:27] they're just sitting there, i think big boats are annoying [23:27] all polluting and junk [23:28] this is an interesting picture, a shopping cart full of zebra mussels: http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/zebra_mussel_shopping_cart.gif [23:28] international trade based on sailboats went out of style in the 19th century :P [23:29] true, i wouldn't have this laptop if it weren't for huge cargo ships [23:29] maybe i'd have a pet zebra mussel though [23:29] and maybe we'd live next door, and went surfing every morning [23:30] and played soccer on the weekends [23:31] I've heard speculation that huge cargo sailboats (high-tech ones) might come back, with oil prices rising and worry about global warming. [23:31] whoa, that's interesting [23:32] we'll probably have to wait for it to become financially feasible [23:32] which means peak oil i bet [23:32] I think Jim Clark's sailboat is controlled by Irix ... probably most of that software would easily port to Linux. :) [23:32] or not, it could happen sooner [23:33] yeah, if you could find a developer willing to port it [23:35] You kidding? work on software for cutting-edge sailboats? [23:35] ah, you mean like a j-o-b [23:35] yeah, that's be cool [23:35] we manage some servers at a shipyard, one of which runs the database that holds all the specs for cutting giant ships [23:36] I bet lots of people would port it just to get to ride on the sailboat. But they can certainly afford to pay. [23:36] working on Irix would be like asking me to work Weld. i don't have a welder, or the space to do it. [23:36] going on site there is fun times, but you need to wear a hard hat on you way to the IT department and server room :) [23:36] *on [23:36] I worked on Irix for years. Liked it a lot -- it was a good Unix. [23:37] i read this article today that said dressing like men helps women to close the pay gap [23:37] actually, welding is too easy. it would be like asking me to perform reparative surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome [23:37] what would the software be running, anyway? communications and nav? [23:38] those, and controlling the sails (and maybe motor when there's no wind) [23:38] and maybe the rudder [23:39] that does sound interesting [23:39] and things like climate controls, window shutters, lighting etc. [23:39] climate controls? window shutters? lighting? what's wrong with a manual switch? [23:40] i guess if you can afford a huge sail boat, you're too busy to turn a light switch [23:40] oh, and the sound system. Rich people's yachts are not like an 8' sabot. :) [23:42] bot? [23:42] i think the yachts i saw were like 40 feet [23:43] bigger ones were like 80 feet [23:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_%28yacht%29 [23:44] wouldn't use a yacht to ship, anyway [23:44] i'm not a fan of yachts [23:45] i guess a clipper would be nice, if it doubled as a house