| _stink_ | if you play your cards right, you *could* be mrs snap-l. | 00:21 |
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| greg-g | back from OU | 00:45 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: how did it go? | 01:02 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: it was good, really. Lots of interest in open * | 01:23 |
| rick_h_ | very cool | 01:23 |
| greg-g | g'morning | 12:03 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 12:12 |
| rick_h_ | TGIF!!!!!!! | 12:12 |
| greg-g | god yeah, I wish I didn't have to do Friday though | 12:13 |
| Wolfger | morning | 12:57 |
| rick_h_ | ugh | 12:57 |
| Wolfger | party | 12:57 |
| brousch | gnome3 looks nice | 12:57 |
| Wolfger | I'm digging on irccloud.com today. Got my beta invite yesterday. Supposedly will keep a log of the channel contents even when I'm not online, so I can scrollback after I log in | 13:01 |
| Wolfger | It's also prettier than webchat | 13:01 |
| Wolfger | though that's something of a negative in the workplace | 13:01 |
| brousch | Wolfger: i tried that tues and weds | 13:03 |
| brousch | it was pretty nice | 13:03 |
| brousch | then i realized i don't really care what happens when i'm not on, and it's annoying to have separate clients for irc and IM | 13:03 |
| brousch | i use adium/pidgin | 13:06 |
| greg-g | man gosh, some people just need to not talk so much in the morning | 13:15 |
| brousch | eh? | 13:18 |
| greg-g | a student worker who talks way too much first thing in the morning | 13:19 |
| brousch | hopped up on quad espresso? | 13:20 |
| Wolfger | slurping quad espresso? | 13:21 |
| Wolfger | brousch: Pidgin for IRC? Ew. | 13:22 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 13:26 |
| snap-l | Yay, my coder wall has 0 achievements! | 13:28 |
| rick_h_ | need more github | 13:28 |
| snap-l | Which means I haven't used github nearly as much as I probably should have. | 13:28 |
| Wolfger | LOL | 13:30 |
| Wolfger | when snap-l quit, I got a normal looking quit message.... when he came back, the line changed to a double-ended arrow that says "snap-l nipped out" | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Heh | 13:32 |
| Wolfger | Little bits of polish are awesome | 13:32 |
| brousch | the colors annoyed me | 13:32 |
| Wolfger | Here's one for the head-bangin' comic lovers: http://www.teefury.com/ | 13:33 |
| snap-l | Oh geez. | 13:33 |
| Wolfger | brousch: The inability to change themes is annoying | 13:34 |
| Wolfger | hopefully they add that at some point | 13:34 |
| brousch | it's a particularly annoying blue | 13:35 |
| Wolfger | Hah. Just noticed that Irccloud doesn't support IE. "We only support Safari, Chrome (stable+beta), FF 4 for now" | 14:07 |
| brousch | IE is not a cloud-capable browser | 14:08 |
| Wolfger | ... | 14:08 |
| Wolfger | please tell me you just made that bit of marketspeak up | 14:09 |
| brousch | everyone knows this | 14:10 |
| brousch | you can quote me on that | 14:10 |
| snap-l | We like to think of IE as a "legacy" browser | 14:10 |
| greg-g | I believe the real term is "cloud-ready" | 14:10 |
| Wolfger | ugh | 14:11 |
| greg-g | or at least, that is what my cloud consultant told me | 14:11 |
| greg-g | he's so smart | 14:11 |
| Wolfger | "cloud-ready" means "I have a NIC" | 14:11 |
| greg-g | that's not what Bob said | 14:11 |
| snap-l | Cloud Ready? | 14:11 |
| greg-g | yeah! snap-l gets it! | 14:11 |
| snap-l | That reminds me of the "Digital Ready" nomeclature they put on headphones when CDs were first released. | 14:12 |
| greg-g | we all have to be cloud ready if we are to compete in the today | 14:12 |
| * rick_h_ checks if I'm ready for more clouds...been a lot of them dropping water on me lately | 14:12 | |
| snap-l | Yeah, no kidding | 14:12 |
| snap-l | someone fired up the lawnmower this morning, and I thought "Seriously? It's a swamp in my backyard" | 14:13 |
| snap-l | But it's a landscaper, so they get a pass. | 14:13 |
| Wolfger | The lawn service was mowing the hotel grounds yesterday, in the rain | 14:13 |
| snap-l | I've been there, mowing lawns after heavy rain. All you get are these clumps of wet grass that just lay there under the mower like dead gophers | 14:14 |
| snap-l | Wow, Miro 4 wants to be iTunes when it grows up | 14:30 |
| Wolfger | heh | 14:32 |
| rick_h_ | "Wow, this new Miro thing wants to be iTunes when it grows up" | 14:32 |
| rick_h_ | ... years go on | 14:32 |
| snap-l | heh | 14:44 |
| greg-g | jrwren: mmmm, 4 TB of disk | 15:28 |
| jrwren | oh yea. | 15:32 |
| jrwren | i can't wait. | 15:32 |
| jrwren | i'm gonna pvcreate vgextend lvcreate | 15:33 |
| jrwren | is there a good reason create a partition and pvcreate that v. just pvcreate the disk ? | 15:33 |
| greg-g | you're talking words I don't use | 15:34 |
| snap-l | Something in my gut says it's better to partition, but I don't know why. | 15:35 |
| jrwren | i'm considering writing a PEP292 implmenetation in C#. someone talk me out of it or point me to similar or existing please? its string subst where "hi $name, how are you" would become "hi bob, how are you" assuming there is a dictionary with correct kvp | 15:36 |
| jrwren | snap-l: me too, but I can't justify it. | 15:36 |
| jrwren | blockdev --rereadpt /dev/diskname #i never knew | 15:41 |
| * rick_h_ starts the grumbling...if you defined tables with fk they you better create them in order so the damn fk exists...and if you have a fk, the col type better match the parent column...and why sqlite let this dev get away with this crap that now breaks on mysql... | 15:59 | |
| * rick_h_ keeps grumbling when there are fk fields you enforce guess what, they need to reference a column with some constraints on it... | 16:02 | |
| brousch | snap-l: have you seen this? http://networkedblogs.com/im7C0 | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | cool | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | gotta love a company that can afford to drop apps for $5 to help boost those hardware sales | 16:13 |
| brousch | yeah | 16:13 |
| jrwren | and THAT is why you don't use sqlite | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: well it's handy for unit testing which is what I'm trying to fix | 16:14 |
| jrwren | truth. | 16:15 |
| jrwren | can someone with more PEP exp than me, help? | 16:15 |
| rick_h_ | with? | 16:15 |
| jrwren | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0292/ has reference to a reference impl at the bottom of the page. [5] | 16:15 |
| jrwren | but the link doesn't work. | 16:15 |
| jrwren | where might I find a ref impl? | 16:15 |
| rick_h_ | I'll ping barry on twitter and see if he's still got it | 16:16 |
| jrwren | it is in 2.7.1 and i assume newer py. | 16:17 |
| jrwren | i'll look for the py source | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | I don't think it's there is it? | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | the stuff in 2.7 is different | 16:17 |
| jrwren | err.. 2.5.2 i mean. http://docs.python.org/release/2.5.2/lib/node40.html is what i want | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#string-formatting-operations | 16:19 |
| jrwren | did they remove Template? | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | ah, it's a diff module | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | nope, looks like it's still there | 16:20 |
| rick_h_ | just never heard/seen it | 16:20 |
| rick_h_ | thought you meant the new formating for string.format() | 16:20 |
| jrwren | i'll browse http://hg.python.org/cpython/ and find it. | 16:20 |
| jrwren | thanks. | 16:20 |
| rick_h_ | which replaces the %() stuff | 16:21 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's interesting. :) | 16:21 |
| snap-l | So, how soon before we see someone on stage rocking the iPad like they rock the keytar. ;) | 16:22 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: sqlite is a great prototyping database, but it completely falls down when you do anything other than using it for simple key / value stores | 16:23 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcQE_PULbOQ&feature=related | 16:23 |
| snap-l | Introduce foreign keys, and you can watch the cracks form in the foundations. ;) | 16:23 |
| rick_h_ | there's your on stage ipad band | 16:24 |
| rick_h_ | RESTRICT and CASCADE are permitted to make porting easier. In MySQL 5.0, they do nothing. | 16:24 |
| rick_h_ | @#$Y*(Y#@*($Y#*@(Y$(@#Y$( | 16:24 |
| _stink_ | looks like nethack | 16:25 |
| _stink_ | lots of bows and Yetis and gold | 16:25 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: And then you become these guys. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQShIPWPg_Y | 16:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | THE YETIS ARE ATTACJING | 16:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | There's some humans in there, too | 16:26 |
| _stink_ | nurses | 16:26 |
| _stink_ | take off your armor | 16:26 |
| rick_h_ | http://functionsource.com/post/78848-bytes-when-your-browser-update-is-a-small-percentage-of-your-home-page-icon those crazy google folks | 16:26 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I liked MySQL before really using it too. ;) | 16:27 |
| snap-l | Also, for whatever reason I'm not seeing UH: CHC in June from the iCal feed | 16:30 |
| rick_h_ | I might not have gone that far out | 16:30 |
| rick_h_ | I only did a couple of months I think to start | 16:30 |
| snap-l | I copied them over, and they're in the iCal file | 16:31 |
| snap-l | But Evolution / Google Calendar aren't displaying them | 16:31 |
| snap-l | Also, I swear they're not doing something right with the time zones in the iCal file. | 16:32 |
| jrwren | ok... i dont umnderstand python metaclasses | 16:35 |
| jrwren | is the eckel tutorialg good? | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | not sure, I've not read that one | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | I grabbed some out of a couple of books | 16:36 |
| jrwren | voidspace has an article. | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | he's pretty good, would check that out | 16:36 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure Bruce Eckel really groks Python | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | http://svn.python.org/view/sandbox/trunk/string/ jrwren is what barry linked me to | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | is that what you're checking out? | 16:37 |
| snap-l | His Java books were OK, but the C++ books weren't nearly as good. | 16:37 |
| snap-l | http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/metaclasses.shtml ? | 16:38 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: i'm actually just looking at string.py that shipped with python 2.7 | 16:38 |
| jrwren | on my local disk | 16:38 |
| jrwren | its there. so i see the code i want to port to C# | 16:39 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: ok, well this might be a bit simpler/closer to reference | 16:39 |
| rick_h_ | ok cool | 16:39 |
| jrwren | but my pyfu is too weak | 16:39 |
| jrwren | snap-l: yes, that article | 16:39 |
| jrwren | snap-l: i was thinking of eckel's write up on decorators. those were really good | 16:40 |
| rick_h_ | well decorators are an order of mag. easier than metaclasses imo | 16:40 |
| rick_h_ | but I've only done metaclasses in a real project twice I think | 16:40 |
| jrwren | agreed. | 16:44 |
| jrwren | tahnks for that svn link. | 16:45 |
| jrwren | it inherits from unicode, which I'll have to go investigate now :) | 16:45 |
| jrwren | oh... | 16:45 |
| jrwren | no i don't. | 16:45 |
| jrwren | __mod__ is the method for the % operator. | 16:45 |
| * jrwren is slow | 16:45 | |
| rick_h_ | yea, magic methods, gotta love em | 16:46 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: what does the %(delim)s do at the beginning of the template pattern regex | 18:18 |
| jrwren | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/329/ | 18:18 |
| jrwren | or anyone who knows regex or python intricacies of regex | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: that's string formatting for changing the delim for / vs ' vs ` etc | 18:20 |
| jrwren | nevermind... i see it. | 18:20 |
| jrwren | right. | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | it looks like at least, it's supplied from _re.escape(cls.delimeter) in line 16/17 | 18:20 |
| jrwren | i'm seeing it now. | 18:20 |
| jrwren | didn't get that before. | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | k | 18:20 |
| jrwren | still not really sure hwo they are doing that, cuz pattern is a instance of re, not a string. | 18:21 |
| jrwren | but I'll assume re has a __mod__ overload on it or something | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | no, that's just python string formatting | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | "%s %s" % ('rick', 'harding') == "rick harding" | 18:22 |
| jrwren | yeah. | 18:23 |
| jrwren | holy crap my python is rusty. | 18:23 |
| jrwren | i see it now. | 18:23 |
| jrwren | thanks. | 18:23 |
| snap-l | Pretty convinced that the only reason people still use Java is because of all of the code generation tools | 19:21 |
| snap-l | ie: wsimport and xjc for SOAP and REST, respectively | 19:21 |
| snap-l | and, of course, inertia | 19:22 |
| greg-g | lol @ these setup instructions: https://github.com/quartzjer/Locker/wiki/Ubuntu-10.04-%26-10.10-Install | 19:23 |
| snap-l | yay, my Ubuntu Forums user is disabled, as I requested. | 19:24 |
| snap-l | since they weren't going to change the username. | 19:24 |
| snap-l | So, no guilt whatsoever for not using the forums AT ALL. | 19:25 |
| snap-l | Any of you windows users know of a good sftp client that isn't Putty? | 19:30 |
| krondor | snap-l: filezilla | 19:33 |
| snap-l | I just threw up in my mouth a bit | 19:34 |
| krondor | are you looking for gui-less sftp? I'm not sure what's better then filezilla in windows for that ... | 19:35 |
| krondor | maybe winscp I haven't used that in awhile | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | I used to use smartftp | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | but that was a long time ago now | 19:35 |
| snap-l | No, I mean I've used filezilla, and I'd rather have radioactive rabid rabiits nibble on my toes than use Filezilla. | 19:35 |
| Blazeix | doesn't windows explorer natively support ftp? | 19:37 |
| snap-l | sftp | 19:37 |
| Blazeix | sftp, too I think | 19:37 |
| snap-l | using keys? | 19:37 |
| Blazeix | oh, no | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I think I'll keep moving files to the putty directory and rename file with spaces.zip to shit.sip | 19:38 |
| snap-l | fucking putty scp doesn't handle anything with spaces. | 19:38 |
| snap-l | nor does it handle wildcards. | 19:38 |
| snap-l | if it handled those two, I wouldn't be nearly as bitchy. | 19:38 |
| rick_h_ | files aren't supposed to have spaces | 19:38 |
| rick_h_ | it's a bug in the "new file" diaglog box | 19:39 |
| snap-l | Well, at least Linux can escape spaces | 19:39 |
| snap-l | Windows does some stupid-ass overloading bullshit to make it work | 19:39 |
| krondor | filezilla can handle spaces :P | 19:39 |
| snap-l | krondor: I can't handle Filezilla | 19:39 |
| krondor | cygwin + sftp | 19:40 |
| krondor | it gets uglier the farther yo ugo | 19:40 |
| jrwren | snap-l: openssh's sftp? | 19:41 |
| jrwren | winscp is great. | 19:41 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Tell me more. | 19:41 |
| jrwren | Blazeix: windows explorer does NOT support ssh or scp or sftp | 19:42 |
| jrwren | also, sftp != ftps | 19:42 |
| snap-l | OpenSSH for Windows is a free package that installs a minimal OpenSSH server and client utilities in the Cygwin package without needing the full Cygwin installation | 19:42 |
| jrwren | snap-l: putty scp handles spaces just fine, you just have to shell escape or quote them properly. | 19:42 |
| snap-l | Oh, now I'm intrigued. | 19:42 |
| jrwren | you don't have cygwin installed? | 19:43 |
| jrwren | windows is worthless without cygwin | 19:43 |
| snap-l | jrwren: s/without cygwin//g | 19:43 |
| snap-l | FTFY. | 19:43 |
| jrwren | yeah, i love how i get great bat life and all my ahrdware works adn my uptime lasts for weeks. | 19:44 |
| rick_h_ | and nothing there about doing anything better | 19:44 |
| jrwren | better than waht? I'm just saying its not worthless. its worth something to me. | 19:45 |
| jrwren | I finally ported that python. so far so good. I'm happy | 19:46 |
| jrwren | thanks for your help rick_h_ | 19:46 |
| rick_h_ | very cool | 19:46 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Thanks for the pointer to the openssh stuff. I'll check that out. | 19:46 |
| jrwren | snap-l: yw. if you use putty, there is also charade which will impersonate openssh agent and pass through to pagent | 19:47 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I managed to get pagent working pretty well | 19:48 |
| jrwren | you'll want charade tehn. | 19:48 |
| snap-l | Only gripe is putty's terminal emulation is a little lacking with special characters. | 19:48 |
| snap-l | like mutt's threading | 19:49 |
| jrwren | otherwise openssh asks you for password and you ahve to run separate agent. its b.s. | 19:49 |
| jrwren | reallY? I don't use mutt, so I don't know. | 19:49 |
| jrwren | but i get utf8 in irssi in screen in putty. | 19:49 |
| jrwren | i've enabled IME in windows and typed japanese into irssi in screen in putty | 19:49 |
| jrwren | did you set your charset under Window->Translation ? | 19:50 |
| snap-l | I just did | 19:53 |
| krondor | snap-l: if you need x windows forwarding; xming works well for me (if this is new to putty/windows type talk). http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ | 19:57 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm not sure I need the X forwarding, but that's nice to know. | 19:58 |
| snap-l | Might just install freaking VirtualBox on this machine and be done with it. :) | 19:59 |
| snap-l | OK, I've been way too hard on Putty. | 20:04 |
| snap-l | There's actually some nice customiziations that I haven't checked out. | 20:04 |
| * snap-l is eating his words. | 20:04 | |
| jrwren | HURRAY! | 20:09 |
| jrwren | its just a damned shame that they aren't default. | 20:09 |
| Blazeix | crap, I'm a noob. I had no idea that sftp and ftps weren't the same thing. | 20:11 |
| Blazeix | one's ssh-based, the other ssl? | 20:11 |
| snap-l | jrwren: No doubt. | 20:17 |
| snap-l | The defaults are anything but sane. | 20:18 |
| krondor | Blazeix: yes sftp is ssh and ftps is ftp w/ ssl. If you want to get more confusing there's also ftp over ssh (tunnel) | 20:21 |
| krondor | the defaults are maybe lowest common denominator for 1991? | 20:21 |
| greg-g | does krondor == matt s. ? | 20:28 |
| snap-l | No, Ryan Kather | 20:29 |
| greg-g | ahh, huh | 20:31 |
| greg-g | I guess I saw him at OU yesterday | 20:31 |
| greg-g | (he pm'd me, but I didn't see it until he logged off) | 20:31 |
| snap-l | Ah, good times. | 20:33 |
| snap-l | https://identi.ca/notice/74728004 | 21:22 |
| brousch | damnit, i keep missing little things in javascript, like ; at the end of statements, and it has no default paramters on functions? | 21:30 |
| snap-l | Grrr, sometimes I really don't like feedburner | 21:31 |
| snap-l | esp when you release a new episode of a show, and it doesn't pick up right away. | 21:31 |
| jrwren | ; is optional at end of statement in javascript | 21:43 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: no! not optional | 22:27 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_: get jslint, hook it into gvim | 22:27 |
| rick_h_ | run run run | 22:27 |
| rick_h_ | http://technotales.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/node-jslint-and-vim/ | 22:27 |
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