[00:10] o/ === vychune_afk is now known as vychune [00:12] chris4585: yes i think f15 is great and that's a pretty much vanilla G3 install [00:13] wrst, yeah, I liked it very much so, too bad fedora was able to offer this experience and ubuntu wasn't [00:13] I think ubuntu went with the very wrong choice [00:14] but who knows what unity will be like in a year or two from now [00:14] chris4585: i think for now, but by the time the next LTS comes out I think will really be the indicator [00:14] yes! [00:15] really 11.04 is just a test to see what needs to be done the LTS to me is the big deal if it sucks then "Houston we have a problem" or Isle of Man or whatever the case is [00:16] I honestly think its pretty obvious what needs to be fixed, the whole way categories were displayed was very uncomfortable to see and work with [00:16] gnome 3 really hit the spot with the way it did it [00:17] if gnome 3 had a few more options (by default) like global menu or to have the sidebar always show that would be great [00:17] its like both projects could have what it takes.. [00:19] chris4585: i really don't like the global menu so much personally [00:20] its ok but I think that G3 with all the space they have the top of the bar have enough room for 10 menus and I think they should tweak that actually [00:20] I actually like it, that and the window controls [00:21] I see the use of it i guess its more I'm not used to it really [00:23] it doesn't really affect me either way, I got use to the left windows controls in a week or so [00:24] I like them that way now [00:24] I find it annoying using windows now though since the controls are on the right... [00:28] chris4585: that doesn't bother me at all I use my wifes mac xp at work ubuntu they are just window controls i either go to one side or the other [00:28] well at first it bothered me [00:39] o/ [02:17] hey guys [02:41] JUST STARTED MY OWN CHAN!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:01] good morning everyone [14:14] morning wrst [14:16] morning cyberanger how you doing? [14:16] not too bad [14:16] further optimizing squid [14:18] cool cyberanger i'm working on my laptop as I have a chance [14:18] nice [14:19] I've found some Content Distrubition Networks (like Akamai, for example) make Caching pointless, unfortunately [14:20] which is a real pain, you get the same youtube video, same Windows Update, but they push it out as a unique URL each time, and it's either cached or it's not [14:20] but if it is, it will never be used twice [14:21] making it a real mess [14:22] wrst: what is it your doing to the laptop? [14:22] cyberanger: have ubuntu setup now getting arch setup then going to de bloat win 7 some [14:22] de bloat windows, hrm [14:23] Does 'rm -Rf /windows' not work? ;-) [14:23] seems really sucessful here [14:23] well you know get some out if possible and the battery works well did a install of arch all on battery because i forgot to plug in [14:24] lol, for Arch I beleive that [14:24] for Ubuntu, no way [14:24] and winDOS, forget it [14:25] well about 2 hours with arch you do a net install, well you should atleast [14:25] (I know some cannot go without windows, I had to eat the cake once too, then I learned why it tasted so bad for cake) [14:27] nice, all 2 hours on battery? [14:29] yes but looks like i will be doing it again! [14:29] for some reason arch won't login i have the user/pass right but it immediately logs out [14:30] wrst, can you run grub prompt and at the end of the kernel line add exec=/bin/bash [14:31] if you do so you should boot into root logged in [14:31] worth a shot anyway [14:31] wrst: yeah, recovery mode it [14:31] will give that a go thank you :) [14:32] if you can figure out the logout bit, might be less time (esp if you were to reinstall and have the same issue) [14:33] ok, I think I've got this small CDN issue figured out [14:33] man I shouldn't of drank that monster last night, it took forever to get to sleep [14:33] Monster vs Vodka, wonder what would win there [14:34] well vodka makes me sleepy [14:34] no dice i will reinstall on AC power this time :) [14:34] wrst, that sucks [14:35] chris4585: not too bad I'm at work just installing anyway as I have time won't delay much :) [14:35] I know I set up root, I have been stupid and not done that before :) [14:35] lol [14:37] um, well perhaps this is my security mindset, but isn't setting root up dumb [14:37] compared to sudo [14:37] well with arch you kind of have to [14:37] cyberanger: I eventually set up sudo but arch is designed to use root [14:38] I believe.. [14:38] chris4585: you are correct [14:38] yeah I do the same [14:38] well chris4585 you could install sudo and set it up before you reboot but I wouldn't dare [14:38] yeah, well I gotta go, bbl [14:40] wrst: so was debian (they tweaked the installer that 6 uses) [14:40] but once sudo is going fine, I tweak the shadow for root [14:40] and same effect [14:40] worked in arch and debian, pre-6 [15:03] cyberanger: yes I never use root after the install [15:11] * wrst attempts it again [15:13] woot I'm in! [15:18] wrst: woot indeed. that looks awesome [15:20] electricus: I'm liking this having something that needs no additional proprietary drivers added :) [15:21] that is awesome [15:21] i thiink i need to get that adn sell my other camera [15:24] somebody on amazon says the video is not clear.. what? [15:28] this looks great even with low light [15:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TG5OPRbqcY [16:00] the guy does say it has horrible battery life though [16:41] wrst: good [16:41] and yey, electricus arrived just in time [16:41] ;-) [16:41] wish the store_url program in squid was simplier to grasp [16:42] then again, I've learned all the simple stuff, time to press on [16:47] anyone here dealt with squid in detail [16:47] aware of the storeurlrewrite properties? [20:05] cyberanger: i've never set up squid from scratch, but i've been using it in clearos for a few years and now untangle [20:06] squid is for caching mostly isn't it? [20:06] and dansguardian for content filtering [20:07] electricus: you are the man if you can set up dansguardian :) [20:08] not really.. the distro just does it for you :-) [20:08] oh ok :) [20:08] I've tried, I just used opendns to filter [20:09] if you wanted more control .. you could set up untangle if you got an extra box to run it on [20:09] it's my fav when it comes to firewall/proxy [20:09] the lite (free) version does everything you need [20:10] is it debian based still electricus? [20:10] what i like about it above and beyone opendns is the virus/phishing/spyware/ad blocking and such [20:10] eys [20:10] I tried it out at one time [20:10] yes [20:10] ok that would be within the spirit of ubuntu-us-tn then :D [20:13] yeah! [20:13] i think i'm just going to start hanging out in here rather than #cooklug [20:13] i'm sick of Igneous always being a 'you know what' [20:14] Igneous is ok :) [20:15] in ways he is.. i just need to cool off i guess [20:15] when he said that i seriously need to check into seeing a doctor because i'm paranoid.. that was it [20:16] well we have lots of paranoid people here don't we cyberanger :) [20:55] they're watching me again >_> [21:15] there is dansguardian and then OSes with it, but it's not as hard as most think [21:15] the issue is one can beat it still [21:17] maybe I'm thinking of squidguard on some of that (same idea though, a filter is easy to setup, easy to beat) [21:18] wrst: paranoid no, aware, yes [21:19] ha ha ok that works cyberanger :) [21:20] wrst: not all conspiracies are just theroies, after all [21:21] ;-) [21:22] (with how sophiscated the toy box is at some of the alphabet soup branches of the Gov't, can't say it's paranoia all the time anymore) [21:25] and for electricus, it is chiefly a HTTP Caching Proxy [21:26] but with it's ACL's and plugins, and with HAVP as a parent proxy, it can really do a ton more [21:27] it can be used (as I am trying out now) as a transparent proxy, or others use it as a reverse proxy (setting it in front of web servers to reduce load and minimize the slashdot effect) [21:35] wrst: for work, it's kinda nice that a ton of our stuff is repeat downloads [21:36] just gotta do this to fix a design flaw (in order to cache it, at least) [22:03] wrst: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/26/bypassing_skype_crypto/ [22:03] Xpistos: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/26/bypassing_skype_crypto/ [22:03] both of you might like that [22:12] cyberanger: funny i was looking at something on the arch wiki about that subject i haven't read the article yet heading home and will there after going to do some tech support [22:18] wrst: that research is pretty new, I heard rumors of it, and some theroies [22:18] but no real proof in the mainstream till yesterday [22:18] wonder what arch's wiki said [22:21] hey guys [22:22] i have a desktop HP that stops at bios post any ideas what may be wrong? [22:47] vychune: usual culprits been checked, like proper seating of ram? [22:47] ram is seated [22:48] everything checke [22:48] let me see if the ram is bad though [22:57] well everyone have a great memorial day weekend! [23:03] electricus: you too [23:03] btw, squid by default is a caching http proxy [23:04] but it highly flexable to other tasks [23:41] wrst hows the bot? [23:43] vychune: did the ram check? [23:43] did you hear any POST beeps [23:44] i couldnt even get anything out. the computer's (excuse my reverse racial slur) nigga rigged lol [23:53] that makes Diag hard then, hrm [23:57] yep