[00:10] <vychune_afk> o/
[00:12] <wrst> chris4585:  yes i think f15 is great and that's a pretty much vanilla G3 install
[00:13] <chris4585> wrst, yeah, I liked it very much so, too bad fedora was able to offer this experience and ubuntu wasn't
[00:13] <chris4585> I think ubuntu went with the very wrong choice
[00:14] <chris4585> but who knows what unity will be like in a year or two from now
[00:14] <wrst> chris4585: i think for now, but by the time the next LTS comes out I think will really be the indicator
[00:14] <chris4585> yes!
[00:15] <wrst> really 11.04 is just a test to see what needs to be done the LTS to me is the big deal if it sucks then "Houston we have a problem" or Isle of Man or whatever the case is
[00:16] <chris4585> I honestly think its pretty obvious what needs to be fixed, the whole way categories were displayed was very uncomfortable to see and work with
[00:16] <chris4585> gnome 3 really hit the spot with the way it did it
[00:17] <chris4585> if gnome 3 had a few more options (by default) like global menu or to have the sidebar always show that would be great
[00:17] <chris4585> its like both projects could have what it takes..
[00:19] <wrst> chris4585: i really don't like the global menu so much personally
[00:20] <wrst> its ok but I think that G3 with all the space they have the top of the bar have enough room for 10 menus and I think they should tweak that actually
[00:20] <chris4585> I actually like it, that and the window controls
[00:21] <wrst> I see the use of it i guess its more I'm not used to it really
[00:23] <chris4585> it doesn't really affect me either way, I got use to the left windows controls in a week or so
[00:24] <chris4585> I like them that way now
[00:24] <chris4585> I find it annoying using windows now though since the controls are on the right...
[00:28] <wrst> chris4585: that doesn't bother me at all I use my wifes mac xp at work ubuntu they are just window controls i either go to one side or the other
[00:28] <chris4585> well at first it bothered me
[00:39] <vychune> o/
[02:17] <vychune> hey guys
[02:41] <vychune> JUST STARTED MY OWN CHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:01] <wrst> good morning everyone
[14:14] <cyberanger> morning wrst
[14:16] <wrst> morning cyberanger how you doing?
[14:16] <cyberanger> not too bad
[14:16] <cyberanger> further optimizing squid
[14:18] <wrst> cool cyberanger i'm working on my laptop as I have a chance
[14:18] <cyberanger> nice
[14:19] <cyberanger> I've found some Content Distrubition Networks (like Akamai, for example) make Caching pointless, unfortunately
[14:20] <cyberanger> which is a real pain, you get the same youtube video, same Windows Update, but they push it out as a unique URL each time, and it's either cached or it's not
[14:20] <cyberanger> but if it is, it will never be used twice
[14:21] <cyberanger> making it a real mess
[14:22] <cyberanger> wrst: what is it your doing to the laptop?
[14:22] <wrst> cyberanger: have ubuntu setup now getting arch setup then going to de bloat win 7 some
[14:22] <cyberanger> de bloat windows, hrm
[14:23] <cyberanger> Does 'rm -Rf /windows' not work? ;-)
[14:23] <cyberanger> seems really sucessful here
[14:23] <wrst> well you know get some out if possible and the battery works well did a install of arch all on battery because i forgot to plug in
[14:24] <cyberanger> lol, for Arch I beleive that
[14:24] <cyberanger> for Ubuntu, no way
[14:24] <cyberanger> and winDOS, forget it
[14:25] <wrst> well about 2 hours with arch you do a net install, well you should atleast
[14:25] <cyberanger> (I know some cannot go without windows, I had to eat the cake once too, then I learned why it tasted so bad for cake)
[14:27] <cyberanger> nice, all 2 hours on battery?
[14:29] <wrst> yes but looks like i will be doing it again!
[14:29] <wrst> for some reason arch won't login i have the user/pass right but it immediately logs out
[14:30] <chris4585> wrst, can you run grub prompt and at the end of the kernel line add exec=/bin/bash
[14:31] <chris4585> if you do so you should boot into root logged in
[14:31] <chris4585> worth a shot anyway
[14:31] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, recovery mode it
[14:31] <wrst> will give that a go thank you :)
[14:32] <cyberanger> if you can figure out the logout bit, might be less time (esp if you were to reinstall and have the same issue)
[14:33] <cyberanger> ok, I think I've got this small CDN issue figured out
[14:33] <chris4585> man I shouldn't of drank that monster last night, it took forever to get to sleep
[14:33] <cyberanger> Monster vs Vodka, wonder what would win there
[14:34] <chris4585> well vodka makes me sleepy
[14:34] <wrst> no dice i will reinstall on AC power this time :)
[14:34] <chris4585> wrst, that sucks
[14:35] <wrst> chris4585: not too bad I'm at work just installing anyway as I have time won't delay much :)
[14:35] <wrst> I know I set up root, I have been stupid and not done that before :)
[14:35] <chris4585> lol
[14:37] <cyberanger> um, well perhaps this is my security mindset, but isn't setting root up dumb
[14:37] <cyberanger> compared to sudo
[14:37] <chris4585> well with arch you kind of have to
[14:37] <wrst> cyberanger: I eventually set up sudo but arch is designed to use root
[14:38] <chris4585> I believe..
[14:38] <wrst> chris4585: you are correct
[14:38] <chris4585> yeah I do the same
[14:38] <wrst> well chris4585 you could install sudo and set it up before you reboot but I wouldn't dare
[14:38] <chris4585> yeah, well I gotta go, bbl
[14:40] <cyberanger> wrst: so was debian (they tweaked the installer that 6 uses)
[14:40] <cyberanger> but once sudo is going fine, I tweak the shadow for root
[14:40] <cyberanger> and same effect
[14:40] <cyberanger> worked in arch and debian, pre-6
[15:03] <wrst> cyberanger: yes I never use root after the install
[15:11]  * wrst attempts it again
[15:13] <wrst> woot I'm in!
[15:18] <electricus> wrst: woot indeed. that looks awesome
[15:20] <wrst> electricus: I'm liking this having something that needs no additional proprietary drivers added :)
[15:21] <electricus> that is awesome
[15:21] <electricus> i thiink i need to get that adn sell my other camera
[15:24] <electricus> somebody on amazon says the video is not clear.. what?
[15:28] <electricus> this looks great even with low light
[15:28] <electricus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TG5OPRbqcY
[16:00] <electricus> the guy does say it has horrible battery life though
[16:41] <cyberanger> wrst: good
[16:41] <cyberanger> and yey, electricus arrived just in time
[16:41] <cyberanger> ;-)
[16:41] <cyberanger> wish the store_url program in squid was simplier to grasp
[16:42] <cyberanger> then again, I've learned all the simple stuff, time to press on
[16:47] <cyberanger> anyone here dealt with squid in detail
[16:47] <cyberanger> aware of the storeurlrewrite properties?
[20:05] <electricus> cyberanger: i've never set up squid from scratch, but i've been using it in clearos for a few years and now untangle
[20:06] <electricus> squid is for caching mostly isn't it?
[20:06] <electricus> and dansguardian for content filtering
[20:07] <wrst> electricus: you are the man if you can set up dansguardian :)
[20:08] <electricus> not really.. the distro just does it for you :-)
[20:08] <wrst> oh ok :)
[20:08] <wrst> I've tried, I just used opendns to filter
[20:09] <electricus> if you wanted more control .. you could set up untangle if you got an extra box to run it on
[20:09] <electricus> it's my fav when it comes to firewall/proxy
[20:09] <electricus> the lite (free) version does everything you need
[20:10] <wrst> is it debian based still electricus?
[20:10] <electricus> what i like about it above and beyone opendns is the virus/phishing/spyware/ad blocking and such
[20:10] <electricus> eys
[20:10] <wrst> I tried it out at one time
[20:10] <electricus> yes
[20:10] <wrst> ok that would be within the spirit of ubuntu-us-tn then :D
[20:13] <electricus> yeah!
[20:13] <electricus> i think i'm just going to start hanging out in here rather than #cooklug
[20:13] <electricus> i'm sick of Igneous always being a 'you know what'
[20:14] <wrst> Igneous is ok :)
[20:15] <electricus> in ways he is.. i just need to cool off i guess
[20:15] <electricus> when he said that i seriously need to check into seeing a doctor because i'm paranoid.. that was it
[20:16] <wrst> well we have lots of paranoid people here don't we cyberanger :)
[20:55] <orias> they're watching me again >_>
[21:15] <cyberanger> there is dansguardian and then OSes with it, but it's not as hard as most think
[21:15] <cyberanger> the issue is one can beat it still
[21:17] <cyberanger> maybe I'm thinking of squidguard on some of that (same idea though, a filter is easy to setup, easy to beat)
[21:18] <cyberanger> wrst: paranoid no, aware, yes
[21:19] <wrst> ha ha ok that works cyberanger :)
[21:20] <cyberanger> wrst: not all conspiracies are just theroies, after all
[21:21] <cyberanger> ;-)
[21:22] <cyberanger> (with how sophiscated the toy box is at some of the alphabet soup branches of the Gov't, can't say it's paranoia all the time anymore)
[21:25] <cyberanger> and for electricus, it is chiefly a HTTP Caching Proxy
[21:26] <cyberanger> but with it's ACL's and plugins, and with HAVP as a parent proxy, it can really do a ton more
[21:27] <cyberanger> it can be used (as I am trying out now) as a transparent proxy, or others use it as a reverse proxy (setting it in front of web servers to reduce load and minimize the slashdot effect)
[21:35] <cyberanger> wrst: for work, it's kinda nice that a ton of our stuff is repeat downloads
[21:36] <cyberanger> just gotta do this to fix a design flaw (in order to cache it, at least)
[22:03] <cyberanger> wrst: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/26/bypassing_skype_crypto/
[22:03] <cyberanger> Xpistos: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/26/bypassing_skype_crypto/
[22:03] <cyberanger> both of you might like that
[22:12] <wrst> cyberanger: funny i was looking at something on the arch wiki about that subject i haven't read the article yet heading home and will there after going to do some tech support
[22:18] <cyberanger> wrst: that research is pretty new, I heard rumors of it, and some theroies
[22:18] <cyberanger> but no real proof in the mainstream till yesterday
[22:18] <cyberanger> wonder what arch's wiki said
[22:21] <vychune> hey guys
[22:22] <vychune> i have a desktop HP that stops at bios post any ideas what may be wrong?
[22:47] <cyberanger> vychune: usual culprits been checked, like proper seating of ram?
[22:47] <vychune> ram is seated
[22:48] <vychune> everything checke
[22:48] <vychune> let me see if the ram is bad though
[22:57] <electricus> well everyone have a great memorial day weekend!
[23:03] <cyberanger> electricus: you too
[23:03] <cyberanger> btw, squid by default is a caching http proxy
[23:04] <cyberanger> but it highly flexable to other tasks
[23:41] <vychune> wrst hows the bot?
[23:43] <cyberanger> vychune: did the ram check?
[23:43] <cyberanger> did you hear any POST beeps
[23:44] <vychune> i couldnt even get anything out. the computer's (excuse my reverse racial slur) nigga rigged lol
[23:53] <cyberanger> that makes Diag hard then, hrm
[23:57] <vychune> yep