[13:53] <Ronnie> ping mhall119, cjohnston, nigelb
[13:53] <nigelb> Ronnie: hi
[13:53] <Ronnie> hey nigelb, im starting to work on the rss feed thing, for LD...
[13:54] <Ronnie> i can already retrieve the feeds, but only one per team
[13:54] <nigelb> Ronnie: can you talk to mhall119? He has done some work on RSS thingy because of his experience with the feed reader he wrote
[13:54] <Ronnie> i know
[13:54] <nigelb> Ronnie: ooh, good!
[13:54] <nigelb> well, last night chris and I had a call with jono
[13:54] <Ronnie> asof ubuntu-nl, we have planet software to combine all the different user feeds
[13:54] <Ronnie> but i guess a lot of locos does not have it
[13:55] <nigelb> The initial idea I think is to have feeds to be added by admin.  It can be associated with a team, but don't make it like every team has a feed.
[13:55] <nigelb> bah, we all need to have a meeting soonish to coordinate
[13:55] <Ronnie> im thinkin about multiple feeds per team
[13:56] <nigelb> I know, I like what you're thinking
[13:56] <nigelb> But this is the way we want to start
[13:56] <nigelb> Rather, jono wants to start ;)
[13:56] <Ronnie> so wer can abondon our planet software
[13:58] <Ronnie> nigelb: can you inform me when the meeting is taken place. im not much online anymore since i have a solid job
[13:58] <nigelb> Ronnie: I'll be taking a poll among the 5 of us.  We want you there for the meeting :)
[13:58] <nigelb> Ronnie: you and daker too!
[14:01] <daker> sure
[14:04] <nigelb> okay, Doodle poll! http://www.doodle.com/rpt4wkeipi4pidak
[14:05] <nigelb> Please consider those times as UTC
[14:08] <mhall119> Ronnie: good morning
[14:09] <Ronnie> nigelb: submitted
[14:09] <Ronnie> hey mhall119, i started today with the team-rss
[14:10] <Ronnie> but i think we should not limit the feeds to one per team
[14:11] <mhall119> I agree, my plan was to allow multiple feeds per team, and even some feeds without a team
[14:12] <mhall119> initially moderated by the loco-council, but maybe eventually letting teams manage their own
[14:13] <Ronnie> Feed-> Team:optional, VisibleOnHome:False(loco-admin-only), feed_url:required
[14:13] <mhall119> Ronnie: what do you have done so far?
[14:13] <Ronnie> i have one field in teams, and it displays on team-detail
[14:14] <mhall119> how about the part that pulls the feeds?
[14:14] <Ronnie> currently on page request, but i need to cahce that
[14:15] <mhall119> we already have a cron job for LD, so we can use that to run a management command to update them
[14:15] <mhall119> like nigelb said, I've already done a lot of this back-end stuff for another project
[14:15] <mhall119> so if you want to split the work, I'll take the backend if you take the frontnend
[14:16] <Ronnie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613750/
[14:16] <mhall119> Ronnie: did you see jono's page mockup?
[14:16] <Ronnie> mhall119: yes, i like that one
[14:17] <mhall119> think you can implement it?
[14:17] <Ronnie> mhall119: i think caching is a lot better than cron jobs, because caching splits the load over the whole day
[14:17] <Ronnie> mhall119: probably
[14:18] <Ronnie> and caching does not update items that are never viewed
[14:18] <mhall119> Ronnie: we're going to be showing a combination of all team feeds on the front page, it'll need to be updated by cron
[14:18] <mhall119> he front page is going to be like planet.ubuntu.com
[14:18] <mhall119> only for loco-team feeds
[14:19] <Ronnie> why do we need cron for the frontage. i think caching will do (we can set cashing on once a day)
[14:19] <Ronnie> cashing = caching
[14:19] <mhall119> because we want it up to date
[14:19]  * Ronnie wishes it cashing ;)
[14:20] <Ronnie> caching allows to set an expiration time
[14:20] <Ronnie> so if we set that to like 1 hour or something
[14:20] <mhall119> when you go to loco.ubuntu.com, you should see the very latest blog posts by loco teams
[14:20] <Ronnie> or 10 minutes if we want
[14:21] <mhall119> assume it'll take about 5 seconds to load each feed
[14:21] <Ronnie> hmm... i see your point
[14:22] <mhall119> there are currently 160 teams
[14:22] <mhall119> and we're going to allow multiple feeds per team
[14:23] <Ronnie> the feed model shoul also have a language to it, so we can filter english only for home
[14:23] <mhall119> hmmm, I'm not sure we want to do that
[14:24] <mhall119> I don't think planet.u.c does
[14:25] <Ronnie> no, but almost all planet.ubuntu-nl.org are dutch. if we allow teams to add own rss. that the majority can be non-english
[14:25] <Ronnie> planet.u.c is for ubuntu-members only
[14:25] <mhall119> I think that would be okay
[14:25] <mhall119> ideal even
[14:25] <Ronnie> most of them know english
[14:26] <mhall119> I think it would be good to show that loco teams aren't just english
[14:26] <mhall119> anybody curious can use google translate
[14:28] <Ronnie> its good to show there is also non-english, but if for example 3 out of 5 are non-english, than the home is not tab-worthy for me anymore
[14:28] <mhall119> I think the vast majority will be english, so chances are the front page will have a majority-english posting at any given time
[14:29] <Ronnie> if not we can filter them if needed
[14:30] <czajkowski> mhall119: sup?
[14:30] <mhall119> czajkowski: we're discussing adding blog feeds to the loco directory, and the question is should we filter it to show english posts only, or allow non-english posts as well?
[14:30] <czajkowski> ahh see that time old question
[14:30] <czajkowski> I don't see any reason why non english posts shouldnt be there
[14:30] <czajkowski> it's an international community
[14:31] <mhall119> my opinion is, showing non-english posts is a good representation of the community
[14:31] <czajkowski> but I also know this has been an issue raised by planet
[14:31] <mhall119> the concern is that if the majority of posts shown are non-english, the page loses it's "tab-worthiness" to english-only speakers
[14:31] <czajkowski> mhall119: I do also, however I cannot and dont speak for the entire loco council so on topics like this possibly emailing us would be better
[14:31] <czajkowski> I concur
[14:31] <Ronnie> the discussion was about 'on the homepage' . on the team details there should be no discussion and allow all languages.
[14:32] <Ronnie> the current planet is only for ubuntu-members to post
[14:32] <mhall119> czajkowski: okay, I just specifically wanted to get your opinion first
[14:32] <czajkowski> fair enough
[14:32] <Ronnie> most of them are english, some of them blog in native language, which isnt a problem
[14:32] <mhall119> Ronnie: ours will be for loco-members only, so how is that different?
[14:33] <Ronnie> ubuntu-members are much more involved into the international community, so most of them speak english
[14:33] <Ronnie> loco-members are usually more local orientated and therefore blog in native language
[14:34] <czajkowski> would it be possible
[14:34] <czajkowski> to put a blog feed per loco team page
[14:34] <Ronnie> so there will be a bigger amount of non-english feeds
[14:34] <czajkowski> and maybe only show the curent 5 on main page
[14:34] <czajkowski> I've had a mail from one team already saying they don't use the LD due to it being too formal
[14:35] <mhall119> czajkowski: our plan is to allow multiple feeds per team
[14:35] <Ronnie> i think teams should be allowed to add mutliple feeds. all the feeds are shown on the teams-detail page
[14:35] <mhall119> as well as non-team feeds
[14:35] <Ronnie> on the homepage however, we could filter the feeds or individual posts. i have not yet a clear vision on that one
[14:36] <czajkowski> all I want as a mandatory field is the contact details to be filled in by a contact name address not a team address
[14:36] <czajkowski> but that's gonna require getting it fixed elsewhere
[14:36] <mhall119> say what?
[14:36] <mhall119> I don't understand
[14:37] <czajkowski> when I go to click contact person for a team
[14:37] <czajkowski> some teams have a team as a contact
[14:37] <czajkowski> drives me batty
[14:38] <czajkowski> or there is no team contact named
[14:38] <czajkowski> even worse
[14:38] <cjohnston> yaili_: good morning
[14:38] <Ronnie> czajkowski: example-link ?
[14:38] <yaili_> cjohnston: hello
[14:39] <czajkowski> Ronnie: I actually cant atm I will come back to you on it
[14:39] <czajkowski> just kinda in the middle of stuff and I was asked to pop in for a min
[14:39] <czajkowski> hope you don't mind
[14:39] <Ronnie> czajkowski: thats oke
[14:40] <mhall119> Ronnie: I'm going to send an email to the loco-directory ML and the loco-council ML asking for more opinions on this, okay?
[14:40] <cjohnston> Ronnie: mhall119 I think we need to look at caching for pages other than the front page
[14:40] <Ronnie> mhall119: oke
[14:40] <mhall119> cjohnston: definitely
[14:40] <mhall119> any page that doesn't change often should be cached
[14:41] <Ronnie> there are even options to cache certain parts of pages
[14:41] <Ronnie> we denenitly need to look at that
[14:41] <cjohnston> yaili_: I guess you are going to help me with some graphics work for the about page of the status site?
[14:42] <cjohnston> mhall119: would also be cool if we could somehow make use of the cdn that canonical has ;-)
[14:42] <czajkowski> it would be nice on the team contact page to have a contact me on their page http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie  as an example which would go to the team contact
[14:42] <czajkowski> would people think that's a good idea ?
[14:42] <czajkowski> rathher than click onto rory there
[14:42] <mhall119> czajkowski: don't we already have that to contact the team?
[14:42] <czajkowski> and then ont his lp page to find an email address?
[14:42] <yaili_> cjohnston: I already spoke to Kate about that, right? I can't really work on the graphics
[14:43] <cjohnston> czajkowski: a link to an email address or a form for them to post?
[14:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: I can join this team
[14:43] <mhall119> I thought we had a contact too....
[14:43] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I was thinking a form...
[14:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: no
[14:43] <czajkowski> but for me as a LC person
[14:43] <czajkowski> it would make my life soooo much easier
[14:43] <mhall119> czajkowski: we can't always get email addresses from LP
[14:43] <cjohnston> yaili_: my understanding was that I was going to take screenshots, and there is something with css that could make it like the what's new page with the hover areas
[14:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: yeah welcome to my hell
[14:43] <cjohnston> czajkowski: I agree, since not all contacts have email
[14:43] <cjohnston> visibe
[14:44] <cjohnston> czajkowski: will you please file a bug on it?
[14:44] <czajkowski> sure
[14:44] <czajkowski> cjohnston: if you mark it invalid I will go over there and kick you :)
[14:44] <cjohnston> In that case I'm marking invalid on principal
[14:44] <czajkowski> and somewhere on the footer can we have a link to file a bug!
[14:44] <czajkowski> really
[14:44] <czajkowski> ya have to go out of your way to find the page to file the bug
[14:44] <yaili_> cjohnston: yes, basically copy that styling, that page uses both CSS and JavaScript to make that work, I thought you could just use that visual style for the tooltips, not necessarily make them in JS
[14:45] <cjohnston> czajkowski: yes... That is I believe already committed, just not live
[14:45] <czajkowski> tf
[14:45] <cjohnston> yaili_: ok.. I'll take a look and see what I can do :-)
[14:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/789145
[14:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 789145 in loco-directory "Contact a team on the team page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:48] <Ronnie> cjohnston, mhall119: do you have time soon to review https://code.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+activereviews
[14:48] <czajkowski> Ronnie: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ru-loco-nsk
[14:48] <czajkowski> see no team contact listed
[14:48] <czajkowski> I really want to make team contact a mandatory field
[14:49] <czajkowski> as it has a knock on effect for the bug I just logged as well
[14:49] <cjohnston> czajkowski: mhall119 the only issue I could see would be that it may need to link to the contact page of LP since we don't have email capability that im aware of
[14:49] <mhall119> Ronnie: this afternoon maybe, I have some pressing work-work to do first
[14:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: yeah, I think that's what we'd need to do
[14:50] <cjohnston> czajkowski: it is required..
[14:50] <cjohnston> but there is no where to import it from
[14:50] <cjohnston> so it starts out blank
[14:51] <cjohnston> the only thing we could do would be set the default to the team admin
[14:52] <czajkowski> cjohnston: mhall119 so maybe I should the bug in this instance upstream on lp
[14:52] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i think that should be ok
[14:52] <czajkowski> and make creating a team contact there as mandatory ??
[14:53] <czajkowski> if that is where you pull things from
[14:53] <czajkowski> atm, on phone so if I reply slowly sorry
[14:53] <mhall119> czajkowski: good luck with that
[14:54] <cjohnston> czajkowski: upstream what?
[14:54] <Ronnie> team contact isnt fetched from LP i thought. only the team-admins (owner on LP)
[14:55] <cjohnston> 34
[14:55] <Ronnie> hmm https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ru-loco-nsk has an owner, why isnt that one fetched mhall119, cjohnston
[14:56] <mhall119> Ronnie: owner != contact
[14:57] <Ronnie> i think the owner should be filled in, if empty. so it can be overwritten in LD
[14:58] <mhall119> Ronnie: make it so!
[14:59] <Ronnie> ill do
[15:02] <cjohnston> Ronnie: owner is imported from LP in LD..
[15:02] <cjohnston> Contact is not.. there is no such thing in LP
[15:02] <Ronnie> ic
[15:03] <Ronnie> so if contacts is not supplied, ill add the owner in it
[15:04] <cjohnston> Thats what I said, is that set by default the contact to the owner, but do NOT require that the owner be the contact.. alow the contact to be changed away from the owner
[15:05] <Ronnie> yes, only set if empty
[15:06] <cjohnston> yup
[15:06] <cjohnston> czajkowski: will that satisfy your requirement?
[15:06] <czajkowski> will what sorry multitasking here
[15:06] <czajkowski> owner yes
[15:07] <czajkowski> and I'd hope owner would be up to date
[15:07] <cjohnston> If there is no contact, set the team owner as the contact, but not require that the team owner be a contact
[15:07] <cjohnston> thats why dont require that the team owner be a contact
[15:07] <czajkowski> yeah I just want that field filled
[15:07] <czajkowski> if that makes sense
[15:09] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the fix is only 2 lines of code :D
[15:09] <cjohnston> sweet
[15:09] <cjohnston> I'm hoping to get a big project off my lap in the next week..
[15:09] <Ronnie> need to test is for the all the teams, but it works for the russion
[15:09] <cjohnston> Which will free up time for me
[15:10] <Ronnie> running the test with all the teams not, that could take a while
[15:10] <cjohnston> ok
[15:11] <Ronnie> the contact form will be harder, because LD needs an email server for that
[15:12] <nigelb> Ronnie: yeah, I mentioned that in the bug :)
[15:12] <Ronnie> nigelb: i think LD needs to be able to send emails
[15:13] <cjohnston> Ronnie: we need to figure that out with IS to see if they will let us
[15:13] <nigelb> Ronnie: That leads to a whole bunch of headaches. We also need permission from IS.
[15:13] <Ronnie> if the permission is granted, then the code will not be a problem i guess
[15:14] <nigelb> The problem is not the code.
[15:14] <nigelb> The problem is make sure LD does not get used as something to send spam out.
[15:15] <Ronnie> but the sys-admins are not very responsive. i have a quation (bug) posted 2 mponths ago. still no response.
[15:15] <Ronnie> we can use recapcha for that
[15:16] <Ronnie> i've done some recaptch and django already
[15:18] <nigelb> I'm still very skeptical of LD sending emails.
[15:18] <nigelb> I already have LP spamming me enough ;)
[15:19] <Ronnie> nigelb: you dont like to eat spam?
[15:19] <nigelb> haha
[15:19] <Ronnie> for the record, i think mail in LP should be optional
[15:19] <Ronnie> LP == LD
[15:26] <mhall119> LD would only send emails for actions taken by logged-in users, that should prevent outside spam
[15:26] <mhall119> also, we can (and will) get email capability if we need it, there's enough backing form higher-ups
[15:28] <Ronnie> mhall119, cjohnston: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/team-contact-lp-owner/+merge/62687
[15:29] <cjohnston> sweet
[15:29] <Ronnie> hmm, im not sure if owners are teams itself.....
[15:30] <Ronnie> its possible in LP rigth?
[15:30] <czajkowski> we do have email capactity
[15:30] <czajkowski> I did clear that at UDS orlando
[15:31] <cjohnston> Ronnie: yes, it is possible for an owner of a team to be a team
[15:31] <cjohnston> and someone wrote something that in LD, if the owner is a team, it lists the members of the teams
[15:32] <Ronnie> in that case, i have to set all members o that team as contacts
[15:40] <Ronnie> the person that wrote that code was me, didnt remember it tought till i saw the code. the LD.owner is always a LP.person (not team). so the contact 'import' will not fail when the LP.owner is a team
[15:40] <Ronnie> so the code is ready to be reviewed and merged
[15:40] <Ronnie> czajkowski: ^
[15:41] <czajkowski> I dont review code
[15:41] <czajkowski> I log bugs and find developers :)
[15:41] <cjohnston> he wasnt asking you to
[15:41] <cjohnston> :-P
[15:42] <czajkowski> ahh I read the first bit
[15:42] <czajkowski> cjohnston: less of jmping on me mister!
[15:42] <cjohnston> blah
[15:42] <cjohnston> You should be jumping for joy
[15:42] <cjohnston> lol
[15:42] <czajkowski> yeah I may fall over
[15:42] <czajkowski> Ronnie: great stuff thank you
[15:42] <cjohnston> ok.. say yippie
[15:42] <cjohnston> lol
[15:42] <czajkowski> at least you dont mark my bugs as wish lists!
[15:43] <cjohnston> who Ronnie?
[15:43]  * czajkowski makes a mental note to file tons of bugs against cjohnston 
[15:43] <cjohnston> It is a wishlist item!
[15:43] <czajkowski> sarcasim is waster on you today cjohnston
[15:43] <cjohnston> czajkowski: at the present time, I dont have enough time to do any of them
[15:43] <Ronnie> always nice to help people with a 2 line patch
[15:44] <czajkowski> :)
[15:53] <cjohnston> czajkowski: thanks
[15:53] <czajkowski> you're welcome
[15:56] <nigelb> czajkowski: That's a worthy bug for LP.  Sending a copy of the mail you sent others to yourself.
[15:56] <cjohnston> ya.. thats an lp thing
[15:56] <czajkowski> yeah
[15:56] <czajkowski> off to file a bug there
[15:57] <cjohnston> there may already be one
[15:57] <nigelb> I think your use-case is very genuine and I can help fix if LP guys are okay with it :)
[15:57] <cjohnston> czajkowski: after you file it, bug a LP developer named nigelb and it will be done
[15:57] <nigelb> heh
[15:59] <czajkowski> I'm doing so now
[15:59] <czajkowski> once I figure how to file a bug aginst lp itself
[16:00] <cjohnston> launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:00] <cjohnston> i believe
[16:00] <czajkowski> got it
[16:03] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/789171
[16:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 789171 in launchpad "sending mail to LP - copy to sender also (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[16:04] <czajkowski> see launchpad now
[16:04] <czajkowski> asking
[18:09]  * daker doesn't like jono's blog post
[18:10] <cjohnston> which why
[18:11] <cjohnston> cause it says Ahmed's work?
[18:11] <daker> some of his ideas are partially wrong
[18:11] <daker> that's one
[18:11] <cjohnston> what else?
[18:11] <daker> this one Michael Hall, Chris Johnston, and Nigel Babu – these guys all contribute to the awesome loco.ubuntu.com.
[18:12] <cjohnston> To help with this I have scheduled some calls with a few folks: Michael Hall, Chris Johnston, and Nigel Babu – these guys all contribute to the awesome loco.ubuntu.com.
[18:12] <cjohnston> Read it as one statement
[18:13] <daker> why he didn't says loco-directory-dev like
[18:13] <daker> we also did
[18:13] <daker> s/also/always
[18:13] <cjohnston> He is referring to who he has scheduled calls with
[18:14] <daker> maybe
[18:14] <cjohnston> That's the way I read it
[18:15] <cjohnston> To help with this I have scheduled some calls with a few folks: Randall, blah blah blah about Randall; Laura, blah blah blah about Laura; Mike Chris and Nigel contributors to LD.
[18:19] <daker> it's demotivating
[18:20] <cjohnston> :-(
[18:21] <cjohnston> How could it have been done better to make it not feel that way?
[18:22] <daker> i really don't know
[18:22] <czajkowski> daker: :(
[18:23] <czajkowski> daker: try talking to him please
[18:23] <czajkowski> it's not meant to be that way
[18:26] <czajkowski> daker: did you get my pm
[18:26] <daker> no :/
[18:27] <czajkowski> ok
[18:27] <czajkowski> now ?
[18:28] <daker> ok
[18:38] <daker> ladies and gentlemen let me go home, i wish you a happy w-e
[18:39] <czajkowski> daker_: take care
[18:59] <cjohnston> newz2000: bug #789236  - oops.. should probably get escilated pretty quick
[18:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 789236 in ubuntu-website-content (and 1 other project) "Video on main Landscape page is no longer available (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789236
[19:17] <nigelb> cjohnston: escalated :)
[19:27] <mhall119> w 24
[19:27] <mhall119>  blah
[19:33] <nigelb> mhall119: tut tut, 42 ;)
[19:34] <GunBladeIV> :-)
[20:17] <mhall119> nigelb: 42 is someone else
[20:59] <czajkowski> 5
[20:59] <czajkowski> 4
[20:59] <czajkowski> 3
[20:59] <czajkowski> 2
[20:59] <czajkowski> 1
[21:16] <mhall119> lift off?
[22:12] <czajkowski> nearly packed
[22:19] <cjohnston> 1/31
[22:30] <czajkowski> now I just need someone to lift my bags and float me somewhere please
[22:31] <mhall119> w 23
[22:31] <mhall119> blah
[22:31] <czajkowski> ok what is it wiht ye two
[22:32] <cjohnston> one of them weeks
[23:10] <pleia2> they were like this at uds too
[23:10] <pleia2> one of them months!
[23:10] <pleia2> :)
[23:11] <cjohnston> 2304324392840932/
[23:11] <cjohnston> heh
[23:39] <joey> mhall119: thanks :-)
[23:40] <mhall119> np
[23:40] <joey> mhall119: the only downside to the job is ... um... me :-)
[23:40]  * joey laughs.
[23:40] <mhall119> heh, I'm okay with that
[23:41] <czajkowski> joey: eh would you mind if I dropped you a pm if you're not busy and not too late where ever you are?
[23:42] <joey> czajkowski: I was wondering if you were listening. :-) Please do
[23:42] <czajkowski> yeah I don't sleep