=== yaili_ is now known as yaili === yaili_ is now known as yaili === yaili_ is now known as yaili === daker_ is now known as daker === yaili_ is now known as yaili [13:53] ping mhall119, cjohnston, nigelb [13:53] Ronnie: hi [13:53] hey nigelb, im starting to work on the rss feed thing, for LD... [13:54] i can already retrieve the feeds, but only one per team [13:54] Ronnie: can you talk to mhall119? He has done some work on RSS thingy because of his experience with the feed reader he wrote [13:54] i know [13:54] Ronnie: ooh, good! [13:54] well, last night chris and I had a call with jono [13:54] asof ubuntu-nl, we have planet software to combine all the different user feeds [13:54] but i guess a lot of locos does not have it [13:55] The initial idea I think is to have feeds to be added by admin. It can be associated with a team, but don't make it like every team has a feed. [13:55] bah, we all need to have a meeting soonish to coordinate [13:55] im thinkin about multiple feeds per team [13:56] I know, I like what you're thinking [13:56] But this is the way we want to start [13:56] Rather, jono wants to start ;) [13:56] so wer can abondon our planet software [13:58] nigelb: can you inform me when the meeting is taken place. im not much online anymore since i have a solid job [13:58] Ronnie: I'll be taking a poll among the 5 of us. We want you there for the meeting :) [13:58] Ronnie: you and daker too! [14:01] sure [14:04] okay, Doodle poll! http://www.doodle.com/rpt4wkeipi4pidak [14:05] Please consider those times as UTC [14:08] Ronnie: good morning [14:09] nigelb: submitted [14:09] hey mhall119, i started today with the team-rss [14:10] but i think we should not limit the feeds to one per team [14:11] I agree, my plan was to allow multiple feeds per team, and even some feeds without a team [14:12] initially moderated by the loco-council, but maybe eventually letting teams manage their own [14:13] Feed-> Team:optional, VisibleOnHome:False(loco-admin-only), feed_url:required [14:13] Ronnie: what do you have done so far? [14:13] i have one field in teams, and it displays on team-detail [14:14] how about the part that pulls the feeds? [14:14] currently on page request, but i need to cahce that [14:15] we already have a cron job for LD, so we can use that to run a management command to update them [14:15] like nigelb said, I've already done a lot of this back-end stuff for another project [14:15] so if you want to split the work, I'll take the backend if you take the frontnend [14:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/613750/ [14:16] Ronnie: did you see jono's page mockup? [14:16] mhall119: yes, i like that one [14:17] think you can implement it? [14:17] mhall119: i think caching is a lot better than cron jobs, because caching splits the load over the whole day [14:17] mhall119: probably [14:18] and caching does not update items that are never viewed [14:18] Ronnie: we're going to be showing a combination of all team feeds on the front page, it'll need to be updated by cron [14:18] he front page is going to be like planet.ubuntu.com [14:18] only for loco-team feeds [14:19] why do we need cron for the frontage. i think caching will do (we can set cashing on once a day) [14:19] cashing = caching [14:19] because we want it up to date [14:19] * Ronnie wishes it cashing ;) [14:20] caching allows to set an expiration time [14:20] so if we set that to like 1 hour or something [14:20] when you go to loco.ubuntu.com, you should see the very latest blog posts by loco teams [14:20] or 10 minutes if we want [14:21] assume it'll take about 5 seconds to load each feed [14:21] hmm... i see your point [14:22] there are currently 160 teams [14:22] and we're going to allow multiple feeds per team [14:23] the feed model shoul also have a language to it, so we can filter english only for home [14:23] hmmm, I'm not sure we want to do that [14:24] I don't think planet.u.c does [14:25] no, but almost all planet.ubuntu-nl.org are dutch. if we allow teams to add own rss. that the majority can be non-english [14:25] planet.u.c is for ubuntu-members only [14:25] I think that would be okay [14:25] ideal even [14:25] most of them know english [14:26] I think it would be good to show that loco teams aren't just english [14:26] anybody curious can use google translate [14:28] its good to show there is also non-english, but if for example 3 out of 5 are non-english, than the home is not tab-worthy for me anymore [14:28] I think the vast majority will be english, so chances are the front page will have a majority-english posting at any given time [14:29] if not we can filter them if needed [14:30] mhall119: sup? [14:30] czajkowski: we're discussing adding blog feeds to the loco directory, and the question is should we filter it to show english posts only, or allow non-english posts as well? [14:30] ahh see that time old question [14:30] I don't see any reason why non english posts shouldnt be there [14:30] it's an international community [14:31] my opinion is, showing non-english posts is a good representation of the community [14:31] but I also know this has been an issue raised by planet [14:31] the concern is that if the majority of posts shown are non-english, the page loses it's "tab-worthiness" to english-only speakers [14:31] mhall119: I do also, however I cannot and dont speak for the entire loco council so on topics like this possibly emailing us would be better [14:31] I concur [14:31] the discussion was about 'on the homepage' . on the team details there should be no discussion and allow all languages. [14:32] the current planet is only for ubuntu-members to post [14:32] czajkowski: okay, I just specifically wanted to get your opinion first [14:32] fair enough [14:32] most of them are english, some of them blog in native language, which isnt a problem [14:32] Ronnie: ours will be for loco-members only, so how is that different? [14:33] ubuntu-members are much more involved into the international community, so most of them speak english [14:33] loco-members are usually more local orientated and therefore blog in native language [14:34] would it be possible [14:34] to put a blog feed per loco team page [14:34] so there will be a bigger amount of non-english feeds [14:34] and maybe only show the curent 5 on main page [14:34] I've had a mail from one team already saying they don't use the LD due to it being too formal [14:35] czajkowski: our plan is to allow multiple feeds per team [14:35] i think teams should be allowed to add mutliple feeds. all the feeds are shown on the teams-detail page [14:35] as well as non-team feeds [14:35] on the homepage however, we could filter the feeds or individual posts. i have not yet a clear vision on that one [14:36] all I want as a mandatory field is the contact details to be filled in by a contact name address not a team address [14:36] but that's gonna require getting it fixed elsewhere [14:36] say what? [14:36] I don't understand [14:37] when I go to click contact person for a team [14:37] some teams have a team as a contact [14:37] drives me batty [14:38] or there is no team contact named [14:38] even worse [14:38] yaili_: good morning [14:38] czajkowski: example-link ? [14:38] cjohnston: hello [14:39] Ronnie: I actually cant atm I will come back to you on it [14:39] just kinda in the middle of stuff and I was asked to pop in for a min [14:39] hope you don't mind [14:39] czajkowski: thats oke [14:40] Ronnie: I'm going to send an email to the loco-directory ML and the loco-council ML asking for more opinions on this, okay? [14:40] Ronnie: mhall119 I think we need to look at caching for pages other than the front page [14:40] mhall119: oke [14:40] cjohnston: definitely [14:40] any page that doesn't change often should be cached [14:41] there are even options to cache certain parts of pages [14:41] we denenitly need to look at that [14:41] yaili_: I guess you are going to help me with some graphics work for the about page of the status site? [14:42] mhall119: would also be cool if we could somehow make use of the cdn that canonical has ;-) [14:42] it would be nice on the team contact page to have a contact me on their page http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie as an example which would go to the team contact [14:42] would people think that's a good idea ? [14:42] rathher than click onto rory there [14:42] czajkowski: don't we already have that to contact the team? [14:42] and then ont his lp page to find an email address? [14:42] cjohnston: I already spoke to Kate about that, right? I can't really work on the graphics [14:43] czajkowski: a link to an email address or a form for them to post? [14:43] mhall119: I can join this team [14:43] I thought we had a contact too.... [14:43] cjohnston: I was thinking a form... [14:43] mhall119: no [14:43] but for me as a LC person [14:43] it would make my life soooo much easier [14:43] czajkowski: we can't always get email addresses from LP [14:43] yaili_: my understanding was that I was going to take screenshots, and there is something with css that could make it like the what's new page with the hover areas [14:43] mhall119: yeah welcome to my hell [14:43] czajkowski: I agree, since not all contacts have email [14:43] visibe [14:44] czajkowski: will you please file a bug on it? [14:44] sure [14:44] cjohnston: if you mark it invalid I will go over there and kick you :) [14:44] In that case I'm marking invalid on principal [14:44] and somewhere on the footer can we have a link to file a bug! [14:44] really [14:44] ya have to go out of your way to find the page to file the bug [14:44] cjohnston: yes, basically copy that styling, that page uses both CSS and JavaScript to make that work, I thought you could just use that visual style for the tooltips, not necessarily make them in JS [14:45] czajkowski: yes... That is I believe already committed, just not live [14:45] tf [14:45] yaili_: ok.. I'll take a look and see what I can do :-) [14:46] cjohnston: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/789145 [14:47] Launchpad bug 789145 in loco-directory "Contact a team on the team page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [14:48] cjohnston, mhall119: do you have time soon to review https://code.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+activereviews [14:48] Ronnie: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ru-loco-nsk [14:48] see no team contact listed [14:48] I really want to make team contact a mandatory field [14:49] as it has a knock on effect for the bug I just logged as well [14:49] czajkowski: mhall119 the only issue I could see would be that it may need to link to the contact page of LP since we don't have email capability that im aware of [14:49] Ronnie: this afternoon maybe, I have some pressing work-work to do first [14:49] cjohnston: yeah, I think that's what we'd need to do [14:50] czajkowski: it is required.. [14:50] but there is no where to import it from [14:50] so it starts out blank [14:51] the only thing we could do would be set the default to the team admin [14:52] cjohnston: mhall119 so maybe I should the bug in this instance upstream on lp [14:52] cjohnston: i think that should be ok [14:52] and make creating a team contact there as mandatory ?? [14:53] if that is where you pull things from [14:53] atm, on phone so if I reply slowly sorry [14:53] czajkowski: good luck with that [14:54] czajkowski: upstream what? [14:54] team contact isnt fetched from LP i thought. only the team-admins (owner on LP) [14:55] 34 [14:55] hmm https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ru-loco-nsk has an owner, why isnt that one fetched mhall119, cjohnston [14:56] Ronnie: owner != contact [14:57] i think the owner should be filled in, if empty. so it can be overwritten in LD [14:58] Ronnie: make it so! [14:59] ill do [15:02] Ronnie: owner is imported from LP in LD.. [15:02] Contact is not.. there is no such thing in LP [15:02] ic [15:03] so if contacts is not supplied, ill add the owner in it [15:04] Thats what I said, is that set by default the contact to the owner, but do NOT require that the owner be the contact.. alow the contact to be changed away from the owner [15:05] yes, only set if empty [15:06] yup [15:06] czajkowski: will that satisfy your requirement? [15:06] will what sorry multitasking here [15:06] owner yes [15:07] and I'd hope owner would be up to date [15:07] If there is no contact, set the team owner as the contact, but not require that the team owner be a contact [15:07] thats why dont require that the team owner be a contact [15:07] yeah I just want that field filled [15:07] if that makes sense [15:09] cjohnston: the fix is only 2 lines of code :D [15:09] sweet [15:09] I'm hoping to get a big project off my lap in the next week.. [15:09] need to test is for the all the teams, but it works for the russion [15:09] Which will free up time for me [15:10] running the test with all the teams not, that could take a while [15:10] ok [15:11] the contact form will be harder, because LD needs an email server for that [15:12] Ronnie: yeah, I mentioned that in the bug :) [15:12] nigelb: i think LD needs to be able to send emails [15:13] Ronnie: we need to figure that out with IS to see if they will let us [15:13] Ronnie: That leads to a whole bunch of headaches. We also need permission from IS. [15:13] if the permission is granted, then the code will not be a problem i guess [15:14] The problem is not the code. [15:14] The problem is make sure LD does not get used as something to send spam out. [15:15] but the sys-admins are not very responsive. i have a quation (bug) posted 2 mponths ago. still no response. [15:15] we can use recapcha for that [15:16] i've done some recaptch and django already [15:18] I'm still very skeptical of LD sending emails. [15:18] I already have LP spamming me enough ;) [15:19] nigelb: you dont like to eat spam? [15:19] haha [15:19] for the record, i think mail in LP should be optional [15:19] LP == LD [15:26] LD would only send emails for actions taken by logged-in users, that should prevent outside spam [15:26] also, we can (and will) get email capability if we need it, there's enough backing form higher-ups [15:28] mhall119, cjohnston: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/team-contact-lp-owner/+merge/62687 [15:29] sweet [15:29] hmm, im not sure if owners are teams itself..... [15:30] its possible in LP rigth? [15:30] we do have email capactity [15:30] I did clear that at UDS orlando [15:31] Ronnie: yes, it is possible for an owner of a team to be a team [15:31] and someone wrote something that in LD, if the owner is a team, it lists the members of the teams [15:32] in that case, i have to set all members o that team as contacts [15:40] the person that wrote that code was me, didnt remember it tought till i saw the code. the LD.owner is always a LP.person (not team). so the contact 'import' will not fail when the LP.owner is a team [15:40] so the code is ready to be reviewed and merged [15:40] czajkowski: ^ [15:41] I dont review code [15:41] I log bugs and find developers :) [15:41] he wasnt asking you to [15:41] :-P [15:42] ahh I read the first bit [15:42] cjohnston: less of jmping on me mister! [15:42] blah [15:42] You should be jumping for joy [15:42] lol [15:42] yeah I may fall over [15:42] Ronnie: great stuff thank you [15:42] ok.. say yippie [15:42] lol [15:42] at least you dont mark my bugs as wish lists! [15:43] who Ronnie? [15:43] * czajkowski makes a mental note to file tons of bugs against cjohnston [15:43] It is a wishlist item! [15:43] sarcasim is waster on you today cjohnston [15:43] czajkowski: at the present time, I dont have enough time to do any of them [15:43] always nice to help people with a 2 line patch [15:44] :) [15:53] czajkowski: thanks [15:53] you're welcome [15:56] czajkowski: That's a worthy bug for LP. Sending a copy of the mail you sent others to yourself. [15:56] ya.. thats an lp thing [15:56] yeah [15:56] off to file a bug there [15:57] there may already be one [15:57] I think your use-case is very genuine and I can help fix if LP guys are okay with it :) [15:57] czajkowski: after you file it, bug a LP developer named nigelb and it will be done [15:57] heh [15:59] I'm doing so now [15:59] once I figure how to file a bug aginst lp itself [16:00] launchpad.net/launchpad [16:00] i believe [16:00] got it [16:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/789171 [16:03] Launchpad bug 789171 in launchpad "sending mail to LP - copy to sender also (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [16:04] see launchpad now [16:04] asking === yaili_ is now known as yaili [18:09] * daker doesn't like jono's blog post [18:10] which why [18:11] cause it says Ahmed's work? [18:11] some of his ideas are partially wrong [18:11] that's one [18:11] what else? [18:11] this one Michael Hall, Chris Johnston, and Nigel Babu – these guys all contribute to the awesome loco.ubuntu.com. [18:12] To help with this I have scheduled some calls with a few folks: Michael Hall, Chris Johnston, and Nigel Babu – these guys all contribute to the awesome loco.ubuntu.com. [18:12] Read it as one statement [18:13] why he didn't says loco-directory-dev like [18:13] we also did [18:13] s/also/always [18:13] He is referring to who he has scheduled calls with [18:14] maybe [18:14] That's the way I read it [18:15] To help with this I have scheduled some calls with a few folks: Randall, blah blah blah about Randall; Laura, blah blah blah about Laura; Mike Chris and Nigel contributors to LD. [18:19] it's demotivating [18:20] :-( [18:21] How could it have been done better to make it not feel that way? [18:22] i really don't know [18:22] daker: :( [18:23] daker: try talking to him please [18:23] it's not meant to be that way === daker_ is now known as daker [18:26] daker: did you get my pm [18:26] no :/ [18:27] ok [18:27] now ? [18:28] ok [18:38] ladies and gentlemen let me go home, i wish you a happy w-e === daker is now known as daker_ [18:39] daker_: take care [18:59] newz2000: bug #789236 - oops.. should probably get escilated pretty quick [18:59] Launchpad bug 789236 in ubuntu-website-content (and 1 other project) "Video on main Landscape page is no longer available (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789236 [19:17] cjohnston: escalated :) [19:27] w 24 [19:27] blah [19:33] mhall119: tut tut, 42 ;) [19:34] :-) [20:17] nigelb: 42 is someone else [20:59] 5 [20:59] 4 [20:59] 3 [20:59] 2 [20:59] 1 [21:16] lift off? [22:12] nearly packed [22:19] 1/31 [22:30] now I just need someone to lift my bags and float me somewhere please [22:31] w 23 [22:31] blah [22:31] ok what is it wiht ye two [22:32] one of them weeks [23:10] they were like this at uds too [23:10] one of them months! [23:10] :) [23:11] 2304324392840932/ [23:11] heh [23:39] mhall119: thanks :-) [23:40] np [23:40] mhall119: the only downside to the job is ... um... me :-) [23:40] * joey laughs. [23:40] heh, I'm okay with that [23:41] joey: eh would you mind if I dropped you a pm if you're not busy and not too late where ever you are? [23:42] czajkowski: I was wondering if you were listening. :-) Please do [23:42] yeah I don't sleep