[00:07] <wohnpal> surunveri, I guess you have to install samba and point it to your linux partition
[00:08] <wohnpal> I have a videoproblem, my videocard does not work with kubuntu 11.04, I need to drop to a shell and change some drivers, however, the grub loader in kubuntu 11.04 does not show the "escape" option with which it is possible to go to a textboot!
[00:08] <wohnpal> how can I overcome this
[00:10] <gr8m8> wohnpal:  you get a grub menu?
[00:27] <wohnpal> yes
[00:28] <wohnpal> now I have the next problem... I have a nvidia geforece 240 card, it gives garbled video ever since 10.04, so I deleted the nouveau xorg driver and installed nvidia drivers using the text mode... now kde starts and video is ok, howerver, all the fonts are gigantic!!!! even the login screen has gigantic fonts...
[00:28] <wohnpal> how can I change this
[00:35] <DarkriftX> klj
[00:35] <DarkriftX> anyone able to help me connect to my wifi via cli? iwconfig shows my card, iwlist scan shows my ap. iwconfig essid sets it for a few second, but it doesnt stay and running dhclient wlan0 takes a minute or so but also does nothing, ap has security disabled
[00:38] <wohnpal> now I have the next problem... I have a nvidia geforece 240 card, it gives garbled video ever since 10.04, so I deleted the nouveau xorg driver and installed nvidia drivers using the text mode... now kde starts and video is ok, howerver, all the fonts are gigantic!!!! even the login screen has gigantic fonts...
[00:42] <sithlord48> wohnpal:have you set your fonts in system settings -> application apperance -> fonts, also dpi setting is there
[00:44] <wohnpal> yes I did... it solved the problem, but everything looks like windows 3.11 style... very pixely and ugly...
[00:44] <sithlord48> have you tried the sub pixel smoothing ?
[00:44] <wohnpal> yes
[00:45] <sithlord48> or run the nvidia settings to see if maybe it can help you
[00:45] <wohnpal> I had the same thing on another box after installing kde within ubuntu, after I did a clean kubuntu install the problem was not there... I did not cahnge the hardware so it is a software problem...
[00:46] <wohnpal> the force dpi option needs to be "deactivated" or it looks like sht
[00:46] <sithlord48> odd
[00:47] <sithlord48> idk i don't have a machine w/ an nvidia card. in a long time
[00:47] <wohnpal> it just sucks...
[01:21] <wohnpal> I tried everything.. new xserver settings, nvidia drivers etetc... to no avail!!
[01:21] <wohnpal> I am going to delete kubuntu from this box.. it just doesn't work...
[01:42] <joe_linux_1984> f
[01:42] <SIR_Taco> g
[03:05] <solifugus> Kubuntu is virtual box is only allowing me max of 1024x768 resolution--how can I fix this?
[03:06] <solifugus> Installing virtual box guest additions didn't seem to provide anything higher..
[03:13] <solifugus> I think I see why..  I read at the end of the messages after installing guest additions and didn't see any errors.
[03:14] <solifugus> When I looked up above further, it said I didn't have a build environment setup... ok.. fixing that now..
[03:26] <DarkriftX> what is the kde 4.X wifi manager?
[03:26] <DarkriftX> i cant get any sort of useful tools for wifi to load but i thought oen was included
[03:28] <LINKSWORD2> !plymoth
[03:29] <LINKSWORD2> ... *facepalm*
[03:32] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I'm stuck on something. I'm running Kubuntu 11.04. I've downloaded a piece of software to install, and when I click on it, GDebi package installer comes up with an error that says; "This installer is already being used."
[03:33] <wn1zid> do you have synaptic or a terminal open ?
[03:33] <LINKSWORD2> No.
[03:33] <wn1zid> or package manager ?
[03:34] <LINKSWORD2> The downloaded file is saved to the harddrive, and the error keeps coming up, even after I have shut the computer down and brought it back up.
[03:34] <wn1zid> weird
[03:34] <wn1zid> thats a new one on me, but then again, i havnt tried 11.04 either
[03:35] <LINKSWORD2> Thoughts/ideas/suggestions?
[03:37] <Dragnslcr> !aptfix
[03:37] <Dragnslcr> Give that a try
[03:39] <LINKSWORD2> Holy...
[03:43] <Unit193> ...Hotdog?
[03:46] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[03:49] <LINKSWORD2> How can I find open package managers and kill them?
[03:51] <darthanubis> alt-f2
[03:51] <LINKSWORD2> Ok.
[03:53] <LINKSWORD2> All right.
[04:06] <LINKSWORD2> !aptfix
[04:08] <LINKSWORD2> Wow. Just out of curiousity, I selected and copied the commands recommended by ubottu, then pasted them in the terminal. I didn't know you could do that...
[04:09] <LINKSWORD2> So cool. xD
[04:12] <LINKSWORD2> Bye! :D
[04:17] <SIR_Taco> In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
[04:18] <Linkmaster> xD!
[04:19] <SIR_Taco> hey Linkmaster, how's it going?
[04:19] <Linkmaster> Its going, its going. Trying to help a friend shake off the terror known as iTunes
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: sorry to hear haha
[04:20] <Linkmaster> Yeahh..they use Windows, so even worse
[04:21] <SIR_Taco> it's a brutal peice of software... things tacked on here and there
[04:22] <Linkmaster> tacked on? Better definition is that iTunes is tacked onto things here and there
[04:23] <SIR_Taco> well... it's a cluster* of many things.... [*]add your own curse
[04:23] <Linkmaster> Any suggestions as to what I could use to help a computer-illiterate girl drop iTunes, with something much nicer, like Amarok:windows?
[04:24]  * Linkmaster wonders why the hell people even like iPods...cruddy firmware, even worse software, even WORSE price tag, not to mention they become obsolete three days after they are released....
[04:25] <SIR_Taco> http://www.mediamonkey.com/ was the best I could find for my sister... who is also computer-illiterate
[04:25] <SIR_Taco> it's amarok-ish and seems to work with IPhones and Pods....
[04:26] <Linkmaster> When I mean computer-illiterate, I"m talking like, she doesn't even know that iTunes is a cluster[*]. She suspects its slowing her computer down, but she still uses it. never defrags her computer. Doesn't do anything. I worry about her
[04:26] <arbitrarynick> So I'm having an issue with my router.
[04:26] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: what kind of issue?
[04:27] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: this looks good, and arbitrarynick tell us, we might be able to help
[04:27] <arbitrarynick> The router works wonderfully. The primary (XP) computer connects without any setup, the Xbox connects without any setup, but the Kubuntu machine can't connect.
[04:27] <arbitrarynick> Particularly, it claims the router refuses connections.
[04:27] <arbitrarynick> Now, I had to modify some settings from factory default to hook it up over lan to the other computer at one point, but it's otherwise 9.10 Kubuntu newborn.
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: the answer is always 42... so... it can't be too bad :)
[04:28] <Linkmaster> Yep, I concur! :D
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: first... before we get too carried away... wireless? wired? what kind of security, if wired?
[04:28] <Linkmaster> And hm...
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> if wireless I mean
[04:28] <arbitrarynick> Wired, I think it includes a firewall.
[04:29] <Linkmaster> Is the ssid broadcast? Oh
[04:29] <arbitrarynick> EBR-2310 from D-Link, if you prefer specifics.
[04:29]  * Linkmaster has never had a kubuntu machine refuse connections from a wired connection....
[04:29] <arbitrarynick> It claims the Router is refusing the connection :|
[04:29] <arbitrarynick> Which, at least, suggests the connection is acknowledged.
[04:30] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: Ok... and you don't have any restrictions on number of connections and/or MAC adresses, etc?
[04:31] <arbitrarynick> I don't believe so, the connection settings are sort of confusing, but they seem to be set by default extremely liberal.
[04:31] <arbitrarynick> About the only frownyface it makes by default is turning the firewall on.
[04:32] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: ok.... the XP computer and the Xbox are also wired?
[04:32] <arbitrarynick> Quite so. The Router doesn't even have wireless options.
[04:33] <arbitrarynick> It was $14, so I was quite okay with that.
[04:34] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: haha ok... just assumed it was both...
[04:34] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: what is the exact error message that you get when trying to connect?
[04:34] <arbitrarynick> Yep. Just a wired routing option. I think, possibly, it may be the settings I had to modify whilst fiddling around to get a lan setup between the two systems. Error message to follow.
[04:34] <LINKSWORD2> I *LOVE* the new Kubuntu 11.04!!!
[04:36] <arbitrarynick> Konqueror (9.10) - The requested operation (connecting to the router's IP address) could not be completed. Connection to Server Refused. Details of Request: Url: http://192.168.0.1 Protocol: http: Datetime blah blah Additional Information: Host unreachable Description: The server 192.168.0.1 Refused to allow this computer to make a connection.
[04:37] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: ok.... so you can connect to the internet, but not to other computers on the network?
[04:37] <arbitrarynick> Possible causes: The server, while connected to the internet (this is misleading due to it being a router), may not be configured to allow requests. The server, while blah, may not be running the requested service (http), A network firewall, either protecting your network or the network of the server, may have intervened, preventing this request.
[04:37] <arbitrarynick> No, it can't connect to the internet either. Different message on internet connect fail.
[04:38] <SIR_Taco> ok... what if you do "sudo dhcpd" in a terminal
[04:39] <SIR_Taco> might want to try to tab-complete that... been a while since I had to do that command
[04:39] <arbitrarynick> Guhh, what is the name of the terminal in Kubuntu again? This is my first kubuntu machine and the different names confuse me.
[04:39] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a way to get the system to notify you if the keyboard locks are on/off, llike the Caps Lock, Num Lock, etc?
[04:39] <SIR_Taco> "konsole"
[04:40] <arbitrarynick> There it is
[04:40] <arbitrarynick> Command Not FOund.
[04:41] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: give me a second... let me boot back into Kubuntu and I'll walk you through it
[04:41] <arbitrarynick> Many thanks.
[04:41] <LINKSWORD2> arbitrarynick: Try to copy the command and then paste it into Konsole.
[04:42] <LINKSWORD2> That will help bypass any mistypes on your part.
[04:42] <arbitrarynick> Not really doable. I just doublecheck like a fiend.
[04:42] <LINKSWORD2> Why is it not really doable?
[04:42] <arbitrarynick> "dhcpd" was said, "dhcpd" was entered, it was not found.
[04:42] <arbitrarynick> This is not that machine. I have no real way to copy and paste from one machine to the other.
[04:42] <LINKSWORD2> Ah.
[04:43] <LINKSWORD2> That would present a problem, yes...
[04:45] <arbitrarynick> Let's see, I don't believe the problem is with the ethernet cord, it's a straightthrough, which is what one uses with a router. . .
[04:46] <arbitrarynick> Indeed, they both seem to be aware of each other at least.
[04:46] <LINKSWORD2> Networking between computers with different operating systems?
[04:47] <LINKSWORD2> I.E. One has Kubuntu Linux, another has... Windows?
[04:48] <arbitrarynick> Not. . . really. . .
[04:48] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: ok, back in Kubuntu
[04:48] <arbitrarynick> I'm not really interested in them even knowing each other exist. That would be cool, that would be handy, but really I just want all of them to be able to connect via the router to the internet.
[04:49] <arbitrarynick> Anyway, hey SIR_Taco.
[04:49] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: its possible, I've done similar before
[04:50] <LINKSWORD2> Difficult, though. I used to work in I.T. services.
[04:50] <SIR_Taco> so, it seems I'm stuck back 10 years ago in Slackware days.... try "sudo dhclient"
[04:50] <arbitrarynick> What info needst thou from it?
[04:51] <DarkriftX> im getting a message that that nepomuk service is not started
[04:51] <DarkriftX> how do i start it?
[04:51] <DarkriftX> or tell it to auto start
[04:51] <arbitrarynick> (The command worked)
[04:51] <arbitrarynick> Should I pastebin the output?
[04:51] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: it worked as in it connected? or not? if not then yes pastebin it
[04:51] <LINKSWORD2> Simple question: I'd like to switch the digital clock on the taskbar to 24-hour format. How may I do this?
[04:52] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: right-click and select "digital clock settings"
[04:53] <LINKSWORD2> Next?
[04:53] <SIR_Taco> DarkriftX: under "System Settings" go to "Desktop Search" all the options are there
[04:54] <DarkriftX> i see the options
[04:54] <DarkriftX> but there is no obvious way to start the service
[04:54] <DarkriftX> or tell it to start
[04:54] <DarkriftX> the check boxes were all  already checked
[04:54] <dan__> !mouse
[04:55] <LINKSWORD2> Hehe. Ubottu is so helpful.
[04:56] <SIR_Taco> DarkriftX: and it still says it's not running?
[04:56] <DarkriftX> yes
[04:56] <arbitrarynick> SIR_Taco: http://pastebin.com/b6nXGivS
[04:56] <DarkriftX> "the nepomuk backup services do not seem to be running......"
[04:56] <arbitrarynick> I realise there's annotations, but I have to copy this stuff by hand.
[04:57] <SIR_Taco>  DarkriftX: backup is one thing... the service is another.,..
[04:57] <DarkriftX> thats why i assumed there was a diff place to start it
[04:57] <DarkriftX> thats what i get when i go to the nepomuk backup icon
[04:58] <DarkriftX> it says backups will not work without the service
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: seems I can't find it at the moment.... used to be as easy as I said... but I run on 24hour time so I haven't noticed
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> DarkriftX: that's only backups of the meta-data it collects.... not backups of the files themselves
[04:59] <LINKSWORD2> lol xD
[05:00] <LINKSWORD2> I do, also, and this is the first time I haven't been able to find it.
[05:00] <dan__> Has anyone been able to use the 6/7th button on a mouse in kde?
[05:01] <dan__> well
[05:01] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: it seems as though it connects to the router
[05:01] <dan__> wait a second!
[05:01] <arbitrarynick> Yeah, the implication it gives is that the router subsequently tells it to shove it.
[05:01] <dan__> The buttons work, but only in firefox.  Plasma doesn't seem to knwo they're there
[05:02] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: that is very strange indeed.... have you tried resetting the defaults on the router? or checking the logs on the router?
[05:02] <arbitrarynick> I have no idea what to look for, this is my first router. I understand networks on a theoterical level, but don't have much practice.
[05:04] <SIR_Taco> have you been into the settings page of your router? usually in your browser you can type in the address bar 192.168.0.1 (from your pastebin)
[05:05] <arbitrarynick> Yeah, that's what I have open on the XP machine. The thing is, trying to do that from the Kubuntu machine results in the refused connection error.
[05:05] <arbitrarynick> I get the unknown host error trying to connect to the internet.
[05:05] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: and if you reset to defaults?
[05:06] <SIR_Taco> on the router I mean
[05:06] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco: I've got to reboot my system. Would you please research for me how to change the time format?
[05:06] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: sure... why not... I've had enough beer to do that :)
[05:06] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO!
[05:07]  * LINKSWORD2 passes SIR_Taco another beer.
[05:07] <arbitrarynick> Honestly, I'm having trouble finding the reset feature. It's hardly necessary, though, the router's only been connected for a few hours and I haven't made any changes to the settings.
[05:07] <SIR_Taco> not a good idea lol
[05:07] <LINKSWORD2> Oh.
[05:07] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: ok... what about the log files?
[05:07]  * LINKSWORD2 passes SIR_Taco's beer to anyone else that wants it. :D
[05:08] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408519
[05:09] <arbitrarynick> What.
[05:09] <arbitrarynick> The.
[05:09] <arbitrarynick> It's just started working all on its own.
[05:09] <dan__> ?
[05:09] <arbitrarynick> I was sending requests to the router and net from the Kubuntu machine to make sure I had the right info in my log, and it started completing connections successfully.
[05:10] <dan__> Arbitrarynick:  What's the router make/model?
[05:10] <arbitrarynick> D-Link EBR-2310
[05:11] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: It knew you were talking to me and it got scared... obviously :)
[05:11] <dan_l> Now I'm not saying
[05:11] <dan_l> I'm just saying
[05:11] <dan_l> I have a little experience with that particular device
[05:11] <dan_l> and
[05:11] <dan_l> I' want to put this nicely.
[05:11] <dan_l> It's not very good.
[05:11] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: I
[05:11] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: just
[05:12] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: thought
[05:12] <arbitrarynick> For
[05:12] <arbitrarynick> $14
[05:12] <arbitrarynick> I'd say
[05:12] <arbitrarynick> It worked out pretty okay.
[05:12] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: maybe you could put everything into one line
[05:12] <dan_l> Sorry Sir_taco.  I'm eating dinner and typing.  It shortens my sentences a hair.
[05:13] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: no problem, just bugging
[05:13] <arbitrarynick> That being said, I think my router is magical.
[05:13] <arbitrarynick> Nothing, and I mean NOTHING has EVER gone right with a computer in my hands.
[05:13] <dan_l> Aritrarynick:  Oh.  If it was only 14 bucks fine and dandy.  but the thing has quite a few quirks.  I installed it at my inlaws house.
[05:13] <dan_l> And installed it for them because I don't like them.  so that tells ya something.
[05:14] <arbitrarynick> This router just successfully handled three entirely different machines with NO setup on any of them, and just a bit of dicking around with the Kubuntu one (as in, it was messing with me, not that changes were required).
[05:14] <arbitrarynick> That is honestly the single most successful installation of anything I've ever had.
[05:14] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: honestly... if they are wired... there should be no dicking around what-so-ever
[05:15] <SIR_Taco> well in the last 10 years or so anyway
[05:15] <arbitrarynick> Run by that last sentence again. Nothing ever goes this well for me. Ever.
[05:15] <arbitrarynick> But if you want to talk about things that require dicking around, try an AOL connection (I am incredibly pleased to be free of them).
[05:15] <SIR_Taco> arbitrarynick: haha ok.... my brother would say you're magnetic
[05:15] <wohnpal> well I had one kubuntu installation that went this well yesterday. I was impressed, on my other box I have problems though
[05:15] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco: The link you gave me appears to be for an older version of Linux.
[05:15] <LINKSWORD2> I am currently running 11.04.
[05:16] <wohnpal> kubuntu does not like a geforce 240 videocard...
[05:16] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: ok... give me a second... and  you owe me a beer lol
[05:16] <arbitrarynick> Okay, so continuing on my merry way. . .
[05:16] <LINKSWORD2> But I gave it to dan_l! lol
[05:16] <arbitrarynick> "Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127"
[05:17] <SIR_Taco> well then dan_l owes me a beer... it really doesn't matter lol
[05:18] <arbitrarynick> Seems to be related to sources.list
[05:21] <rosco_y> I just installed suse on a second drive.  Does anyone know how I can add it to my grub menu?
[05:21] <LINKSWORD2> !grub
[05:21] <rosco_y> thanks LINKSWORD2
[05:22] <LINKSWORD2> That may help you, but it may also not be accurate.
[05:22] <LINKSWORD2> See if it helps, and if not, you're welcome to come back.
[05:22] <arbitrarynick> GAHH
[05:22] <dan_l> Alright.  I'm back.  Who was getting the 127 on upgrade?
[05:22] <arbitrarynick> One thing I hate about sudo is how unforgiving it is with file editing.
[05:23] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: seems to be a problem with the release.... if you go under System Settings -> Local -> Date & Time... the changes don't effect your clock... but maybe they would on reboot
[05:23] <LINKSWORD2> That's surprising....
[05:24] <SIR_Taco> I work on 24-hour clock, so I haven't really noticed the change... it's now 00:24
[05:25]  * LINKSWORD2 shoots SIR_Taco with a potato gun.*
[05:25] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: been hit with worse than potatoes haha
[05:26] <LINKSWORD2>  I'm a vengeful SOB.
[05:28] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=91784 not looking good
[05:30] <SIR_Taco> seems it's a bug that's been reported.
[05:30] <LINKSWORD2> Oh, fun... >.>
[05:31] <SIR_Taco> if it's not your computer, then I would suggest setting the locale settings the correct way, and an update will fix it eventually
[05:32] <SIR_Taco> or teach them the beauty of subtracting by 12 :)
[05:33] <LINKSWORD2> I want to use 24 hour format. 12 is fine, but not my style.
[05:33] <LINKSWORD2> .....
[05:34] <dan_l> Cuz sir taco is a vampire
[05:34] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: I would hope that the next minor release of 4.6 would fix this
[05:35] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: a Canadian beer vampire maybe
[05:35] <SIR_Taco> :)
[05:35] <dan_l> You're a......Canadian?
[05:36] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: yea... that mythical creature
[05:36] <dan_l> I'm playing.  I love Canadians.  For the most part.  It depends on the part of Canada really.
[05:37] <SIR_Taco> Southern Ontario
[05:37] <dan_l> Vancouver?  Great.  Victoria?  Awesome.  Thunder Bay:  a blast. But there's another part.  It's sinister.  Very scary.
[05:38] <dan_l> I go up to a town called ignace in Ontario for fishing and hiking.
[05:39] <LINKSWORD2> Well, SIR_Taco, I suppose I'll just keep this computer on standard 12-hour format...
[05:40] <SIR_Taco> dan_l: I'm the other side of Ontario... between Toronto and Ottawa
[05:40] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: you figured it out?
[05:41] <LINKSWORD2> Nope.
[05:41] <LINKSWORD2> It was already on 12-hour. I want 24.
[05:41] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: ah, lol
[05:41] <xieyi> I am using kubuntu 11.04 on my laptop. the function keys layout always change to a one which is different from what is printed on the keyboard after a few weeks. I can recover the correct keyboard layout through plugout the battery and plugin again. Why this problem haunts? Anyone has any ideas?
[05:42] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: I was thinking the other way around, but you still have the same problem
[05:42] <LINKSWORD2> Indeed.
[05:42] <dan_l> Sir_Taco lives too close to montreal.  I will not crash on his couch.
[05:42] <dan_l> xieyi:  make/model of your laptop?
[05:43] <SIR_Taco> dan_l:  it's an uncomfortable couch to sleep on anyway haha
[05:43] <xieyi> how to do this? what is model
[05:44] <dan_l> xieyi:  what's the brand of the laptop?
[05:44] <xieyi> Hasee
[05:45] <xieyi> it is not listed in the keyboard layout
[05:45] <xieyi> When I am runing windows, the problem never happens
[05:46] <xieyi> I don
[05:46] <xieyi> i don't know whether is the problem of the laptop or os
[05:46] <xieyi> what is model? Do you mean the keyboard layout?
[05:47] <SIR_Taco> xieyi: the issue is that it's likely a common laptop keyboard that the manufacturer has made the keys different. With Windows they have mapped the keys correctly... but not with Linux...
[05:48] <xieyi> is there anyway to solve the problem once for all?
[05:48] <dan_l> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys
[05:48] <dan_l> the basics are there
[05:49] <dan_l> but you'll have to figure out what exactly the problem is first
[05:49] <dan_l> I would think you could start at that link
[05:49] <xieyi> thanks, I will check it out
[05:49] <SIR_Taco> oh wow... that brings me back to my days working on LinEAKd :)
[05:50] <SIR_Taco> even got published in an O'Riley book for that one haha
[05:52] <dan_l> O'riley will publish anybody these days :)
[05:53] <SIR_Taco> seems so lol
[05:54] <SIR_Taco> oh... found it... just a little ego stroke I guess lol : http://books.google.ca/books?id=sxFKWViD-7YC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=phil+%22sir_taco%22+woodland&source=bl&ots=gjDtmxaSUo&sig=1LMFnTULXbfC7sbO-DzY_xZRBMg&hl=en&ei=yn_gTbDlCs3r0QHbp-2rBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=phil%20%22sir_taco%22%20woodland&f=false
[05:56] <dan_l> Sir_Taco:  you know quite a bit of linux, it would appear
[05:57] <SIR_Taco> I know enough
[05:57] <dan_l> Why kubuntu?
[05:57] <SIR_Taco> because I got lazy :)
[05:57] <dan_l> I'm not beefing.  I'ts more a matter of curiousity.  It seems like a lot of the linux god users are all on other distros.
[05:58] <dan_l> and being lazy seems like a pretty reasonable answer:)   I use linux because I'm too lazy to use windoze
[05:58] <SIR_Taco> I am no god user.....
[05:58] <dan_l> An experienced user though, I'd imagine
[05:59] <LINKSWORD2> .. Wow.
[06:01] <SIR_Taco> when I was 15 I was asked to come to LucasArts for an interview also
[06:01] <akis> hi all. is there any possibility to make the system notificate about incoming emails (using kmail) but with kmail closed. it make it only once when the systme starts, but is it possible to make it continiously the same way as if kmail was open?
[06:01] <LINKSWORD2> ... FML
[06:02] <SIR_Taco> akis: as far as I know.... you need to have Kmail open.... or else how would it know you have a message?
[06:05] <akis> this is what i know too. but today when i started the system without to open kmail i recieved a notification for system tray that i had 2 messages and i opened kmail and i found them in. how system can konw about email's arrival before i opened kmail?
[06:08] <SIR_Taco> akis: I don't use Kmail... but it is possible, since it's a part of KDE, that the message indicator is tied closely to Kmail and logs you in automatically
[06:10] <SIR_Taco> I've just gone down a crazy path of nostalgia... thanks LINKSWORD2 and dan_l lol
[06:11] <LINKSWORD2> ... What did I do? I swear I'm innocent!!!
[06:11] <linux_joe_1984> .
[06:11] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[06:11] <dan_l> Sir_Taco will have nightmares for a week about the month he spent following RMS around
[06:11] <LINKSWORD2>  RMS?
[06:11] <SIR_Taco> haha not quite
[06:12] <SIR_Taco> more nightmares of the very old Outlaws level editor I think
[06:12] <LINKSWORD2> Oh, crap...
[06:13] <SIR_Taco> and the scripting that went with it
[06:13] <dan_l> linksword2:  NOOOOB.  Richard Matthew Stallman
[06:13] <dan_l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2xfrApGOr4
[06:13] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not a noob. Excuse me if it's MIDNIGHT here~!!
[06:13]  * LINKSWORD2 kills dan_l with a glass shard.
[06:14] <SIR_Taco> now now..
[06:15] <LINKSWORD2> You assume too much....
[06:16] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: ok... you assume dan_l assumes too much.... what line of work do you assume I'm in?
[06:16] <LINKSWORD2> Does it really matter?
[06:17] <SIR_Taco> no.... but we're running on assumptions
[06:18] <LINKSWORD2>  *Sigh.*
[06:19] <SIR_Taco> oops
[06:20] <dan_l> I was teasing.  You're in a linux chatroom and didn't know who RMS was:)
[06:20] <SIR_Taco> now I feel bad
[06:20] <lsv> I didn't know...
[06:21] <SIR_Taco> it was leading to a joke lol
[06:21] <akis> any trick to load faster blogspot.com pages. already installed adblock but still is the only server that chrome cannot negociate with (you tube also sometimes, google maps too). any further idea?
[06:26] <SIR_Taco> akis: other than getting your ISP to cache it, I'm not sure
[06:32] <akis> my ISP gave me dns entries but the problem persists.
[06:33] <akis> only under kubuntu. under windows everything is fine.
[06:33] <akis> in the same system i mean.
[06:33] <SIR_Taco> akis: do you use the same browser in each?
[06:34] <akis> well yes. i tried opera 11.11.
[06:35] <akis> opera is very-very fast under windows. but it is not under kubuntu. cannot "translate" pages as fast it do it under xp.
[06:36] <SIR_Taco> akis: ok... so it's the rendering time that's the problem?
[06:36] <akis> firefox under kubuntu is very slow, so i am now with chrome which is really fast loadin evey pages but stops in blogspot pages, google maps and everywhere google is involved.
[06:38] <SIR_Taco> akis: it doesn't load those pages? or it's slow loading them?
[06:38] <akis> maybe..who knows...it is very very strange...an other machine under win7 connected in the same wireless network running opera 11.11 is going fine, very very fast.
[06:39] <akis> certain times cannot load them, certain times load half page, certain load whole page but after some minutes!
[06:40] <SIR_Taco> what if you do "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer" in konsole?
[06:40] <akis> i have already installed all the plugins. is it necessary to do it?
[06:41] <SIR_Taco> it's necessary to have flash plugin to do what you want
[06:43] <akis> Shockwave Flash Version:	10.3 r181 Location: opt/google/chrome/libgcflashplayer.so
[06:43] <akis> is already installed, thati is not enough?
[06:46] <akis> and if the problem it's rendering time, how can i solve it?
[06:48] <SIR_Taco> akis: well the big problem is that Flash in Linux doesn't make use of a lot of the hardware accelerated drivers
[06:49] <TeslaTony> Is there a way to set KDEWallet to not ask for authentication every time I connect to a network?
[06:51] <akis> maybe you have this the point, but i am running suse 11.2 in a desktop machine over 18 months and before i run in the machine for over another 18 onts previous version fo opensuse using firefox and i hadn't any problem browsing.
[06:51] <akis> @tesla. in wallet's configuration must be an exception or even a deletion
[06:53] <akis> @tesla. system settings/kde wallet/access control
[06:54] <akis> try to delete knetwork manager
[06:54] <SIR_Taco> akis: same versions though? there's been quite a few changes as of late
[06:57] <akis> so...what do u think can i do to solve this very annoying problem before i get the decision to go back to xp (oh my God) just to have fast internet access in every page i want using the extremely fast opera 11.11?
[07:00] <SIR_Taco> akis: there's a bottle-neck somwhere... but I doubt it being Linux
[07:01] <SIR_Taco> unless it's all Flash based, then possibly.... but I don't have a problem
[07:09] <akis> bottle-neck? what is this?
[07:15] <SIR_Taco> akis: I mean that it's likely a problem with Flash and the video driver
[07:23] <akis> hmm. that is very possible...because i test my system using live cd of opensuse 11.4/11.4 and lxde 11.4 (based on opensuse) and i had the same problem. for conlusion the problem is always the same using different distros, diffenrent browsers, but it isn't a bandwith problem as other machine in the network work fine and the same machine under xp was very fast too. So how video driver's problem negotiating with flash can be solved?
[07:47] <akis> i found the way to have kmail closed but to take email's notification. just enable system tray icon always option. very simple and convinient.
[08:04] <joony> HALLO
[08:04] <joony> 30BAAARWB:
[08:05] <joony> HALLO
[08:43] <fayaz> how can i add dvorak layout support in kdm?
[12:31] <akis> hi all. is it worth to try Rekonq?
[12:31] <soee> guys suddenly today i have problem with my desktop, i have only black screen and error widnow whows up that plasma-desktop couldnt be load but i can open apps using alt+f2 and kwin effects also work, any ideas what can be wrong ?
[12:33] <tsimpson> akis: it's a relatively simple (and so light) browser. it's like arora, but more integrated with KDE
[12:34] <Peace-> akis: btw firefox is the standard to surfe in the web
[12:36] <juanantonio> Hi, I have two questions: how can I install hotot in Kub64 10.10?
[12:36] <tsimpson> Peace-: I'll recommend FF when 1) the Qt UI becomes supported, and 2) it stops eating my RAM like some techno-delicacy
[12:36] <juanantonio> The other one is, anyone knows something about aMule going wrong in 11.04?
[12:36] <akis> as i have a problem without solution (ff/opera/chrome cannot load certain pages related to google) is any possibily to solve it with rekonq. ok ... i know the answer... try it!
[12:37] <Peace-> tsimpson: well you right it eats ram
[12:37] <Peace-> tsimpson: btw it looks good to me , http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/28/plasma-desktopTW1739.jpg
[12:38] <juanantonio> browser battle, I usually prefer Firefox, but if I'm in a hurry I use Chromium, it's faster
[12:39] <tsimpson> Peace-: themes are all well and good, but dependencies are annoying ;)
[12:39] <tsimpson> juanantonio: if I
[12:39] <tsimpson> gerr, enter spam
[12:39] <tsimpson> if I'm in a hurry, I use arora
[12:39] <Peace-> tsimpson: xD you right , btw ... there is an alpha ui made in qt for firefox
[12:40] <Peace-> tsimpson: xD but .. it freezes
[12:40] <tsimpson> it's quick to load (because it's Qt) and not bogged-down with features
[12:40] <juanantonio> Can anyone help me with the questions
[12:40] <Peace-> tsimpson: arora chromium chorme konqueror and others can't do print selection :(
[12:42] <tsimpson> Peace-: who prints web pages these days? ;)
[12:42] <Peace-> tsimpson: :( me
[12:42] <Peace-> tsimpson: i read a lots ;)
[12:42] <tsimpson> but I think that's likely a webkit issue, and most use (some variant) of webkit
[12:42] <Peace-> tsimpson: yes !! it's a webkit issue but in true it was a khtml issue
[12:43] <tsimpson> Peace-: webkit came from khtml
[12:43] <tsimpson> but you'd think apple would have "fixed" it, maybe it's just hard to do (IDK)
[12:48] <Peace-> tsimpson: it's hard i have asked a lots of time and it seems it's a nasty bug
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:17] <seesall> hey
[13:19] <BluesKaj> kfilebox won't launch the connection wizard , it appears to install, ok mbut on first use it establishes a connection to the dropbox server , which in my case isn't happening
[13:57] <greek> midway through installing gnome while in the KDE , the packages intaller stopped installing (downloading was complete) at 71%. i retsarted and now it will not finish the inmstall, i can not boot into Gnome , and i do not know how to fix this.
[13:57] <greek> does any one know how nto fix a gnome desktop ?
[13:58] <gr> hi. i install firefox with the command 'sudo apt-get install firefox' but the system doesn't create an icon in my menu under internet option. how can i meke it manually to start ff?
[13:58] <greek> KDE gr?
[13:58] <greek> kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[13:59] <gr> kubuntu
[13:59] <gr> kde
[13:59] <gr> sure
[14:00] <greek> ok , right click the KDE icon that normally opens the app launcher ... and choose "edit applications", there you will be able to create a menu item for firefox.
[14:00] <greek> as far as running fire fox directly... use the text area on the app launhcer and type in firefox
[14:00] <greek> if firefox is installed it will show up in the list .. and you can run it form there
[14:01] <greek> the text area is title "search"
[14:01] <thangavel> join #ubuntu
[14:01] <greek> my gnome install is damaged
[14:02] <greek> ok thangavel, are yoyu suggesting i goto #ubuntu for my gmone troubles?
[14:03] <saras> any idea if i can install kubuntu on cruz t301
[14:03] <gr> how can i find the appropraite command to place it in the new item with name firefox to start the progam everytime i click it?
[14:04] <gr> i mean which the path
[14:06] <sourav7mishra> hi, I use Kubuntu.. Every time I go full screen mode on youtube, my os hangs and I have to reboot.. I use chrome browser..
[14:07] <Peace-> sourav7mishra: mmm
[14:07] <Peace-> sourav7mishra: i guess it's a chrome bug
[14:07] <thangavel> hello..does anybody here know why the " modem hung up the phone exit code=16" comes when i try to connect using wvdial??
[14:07] <Peace-> sourav7mishra: did you try with antoher website that works with flash ?
[14:07] <Peace-> sourav7mishra: another browser?
[14:08] <thangavel> hello..does anybody here know why the " modem hung up the phone exit code=16" comes when i try to connect using wvdial??
[14:08] <Peace-> thangavel: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351882
[14:09] <sourav7mishra> @Peace, which other website should I try? Can you name any..
[14:10] <Peace-> sourav7mishra: wth search on google
[14:10] <Peace-> video
 : here i'm taking abt my laptop..bt tht thread deals with mobiles...and fr tht too the proper solution is not there..
[14:12] <Peace-> thangavel: use the brain the guy has changed a string...
[14:12] <Peace-> it's the same error
[14:15] <ger> hola
[14:16] <ger> no hay nadie que hable castellano
[14:23] <kavita> Just installed kubuntu after a long time. Please advise what has replaced Automatix these days?
[14:25] <Peace-> kavita: mmm
[14:25] <Peace-> kavita: kpackagekit can install software from a list
[14:25] <kavita> Peace-: I know but I am looking for extra stuff and codecs ;)
[14:26] <Peace-> kavita: well sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:26] <Peace-> should be fine
[14:26] <kavita> ok
[14:26] <Peace-> kavita: or read this
[14:26] <Peace-> kavita: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/kpackagekit-export-import-all-your-software-in-one-click/
[14:26] <Peace-> kavita: sorry
[14:27] <Peace-> kavita: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/usefull-link-for-kubuntu-and-multimedia-stuff/what-you-would-want-to-do-on-startup-multimedia-side/
[14:27] <silv3r_m00n> on kde desktop can I have an icon for "My Computer" which opens up to show all drives
[14:27] <Peace-> silv3r_m00n: of course
[14:28] <wireless> hi all. i just realised that the problem i had to load heavy pages is because of my pc's wireless which under windows worked pretty fast. i am connecto now through a cable and everything is fine. google maps load in millisecs, the same heavy blogspot pages with many ads on them. so is there any procedure to make my pc's wireless get a better signal or bandwith. in the same network i connected other wireless pc running win7 and it is extremely fast, so the
[14:28] <wireless> problem it isn't in router for sure. the problem is for sure in my pcmcia card and the driver kubuntu installed for me. well any idea to update it so i will stay wireless?
[14:28] <FloodBotK1> wireless: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:28] <silv3r_m00n> Peace-: how ?
[14:28] <Peace-> silv3r_m00n: install lancelot
[14:28] <Peace-> silv3r_m00n: then add shelf widget
[14:28] <Peace-> then configure it
[14:28] <Peace-> i have to go
[14:29] <Peace-> silv3r_m00n: read this http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/unity-kde-another-test/
[14:29] <DarthFrog> Also http://maketecheasier.com/easy-organization-with-kde-plasma-shelf-widget/2010/11/10/
[14:32] <silv3r_m00n> how to list drives in konqueror ?
[14:34] <DarthFrog> silv3r_m00n: Linux doesn't use drives in the same way as Windows.  There's no real equivalent to C:, D:, etc.  Instead, partitions are mounted into the file system.  So you would have Konq or Dolphin show the mount points instead.
[14:34] <silv3r_m00n> that would be fine , on 8.10 konqueror used to show all partitions
[14:34] <silv3r_m00n> but now konqueror doesn't show like that
[14:34] <silv3r_m00n> I need something like the my computer of gnome
[14:35] <DarthFrog> Why?
[14:35] <silv3r_m00n> just like that
[14:37] <sourav7mishra> HI Peace, I checked with other sites, the same thing happening...os getting hanged...
[14:38] <wireless> well any help?
[14:40] <wireless> well any help?
[14:41] <Walzmyn> !ask | wireless
[14:42] <sourav7mishra> hi, I use Kubuntu.. Every time I go full screen mode on youtube, my os hangs and I have to reboot.. I use chrome browser..
[14:46] <wireless> ok. thanks i know it. i dont want not obay the rules. i just was disconnected so i  asked again in case i lost the answer.
[14:46] <wireless> i would appresiate any help
[14:51] <BluesKaj> sourav7mishra, have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:52] <sourav7mishra> is that the exact package name?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> sourav7mishra, yes
[14:53] <sourav7mishra> no..
[14:53] <sourav7mishra> terminal is not able to recognize any such commands..
[14:54] <BluesKaj> sourav7mishra,  open a terminal , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:55] <sourav7mishra> @BluesKaj, it's really kind in your part to write the command..well 1st i was searching the package, i dint straight way go for installing it..
[14:56] <BluesKaj> sourav7mishra, are you installing it?
[14:57] <sourav7mishra> its a microsoft product..
[14:57] <sourav7mishra> ?
[14:58] <sourav7mishra> it is asking me to sign some "END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR MICROSOFT SOFTWARE"
[14:58] <BluesKaj> sourav7mishra, that's the agreement for java , it's a licence , just agree
[14:59] <sourav7mishra> why should kubuntu depend upon some microsoft efforts..?
[14:59] <gr> hi. i unistalled some two packages: 'firefox' and 'rekong' using purge command. does this command every file of the packages or they are left some in my system exept those in /home which i removed them manually.
[14:59] <sourav7mishra> I agree, you want to help me..!
[14:59] <sourav7mishra> but can you please tell me, what you are suspecting..
[15:00] <sourav7mishra> ?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> use the tab button to switch to yes
[15:00] <sourav7mishra> what for that package is needed?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> I suspect nothing , it's just a licence agreement
[15:01] <sourav7mishra> i mean what this package is used for/
[15:01] <sourav7mishra> ?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> java, flash and other codecs and plugins , sourav7mishra that you require
[15:04] <wojtek> hello
[15:05] <wojtek> could you tell me what is the name of packages required for compilling KDE/Qt apps? It was perhaps build-essentials but I am not sure
[15:06] <BluesKaj> build essential is one compiler , make will also be required , Wojtulas
[15:06] <BluesKaj> err ryrych
[15:07] <Wojtulas> BluesKaj: what?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Wojtulas, sorry , he changed his nick and the tab filled in yours
[15:07] <Wojtulas> BluesKaj: ok np
[15:09] <ryrych> BluesKaj: thanks
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ryrych, also look at  automoc, and python-kde4-dev
[15:32] <simontol> Hi, I'm trying to enable desktop effects on Natty
[15:33] <Peace-> simontol: so...
[15:33] <simontol> I actually have installed Nouveau experimental drivers but kwin crashes and automatically disables desktop effects
[15:35] <Peace-> simontol: so...
[15:37] <simontol> I've also tried to install proprietary drivers, but I can't boot to desktop at all.... ;-(
[15:37] <Peace-> simontol: use the noveau
[15:38] <Peace-> simontol: try xrender instead of openg l
[15:38] <simontol> Peace- : do you use nouveau?
[15:38] <Peace-> simontol: i have intel
[15:39] <Peace-> simontol: i use this http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/28/plasma-desktopnG9174.jpg
[15:40] <simontol> I really can't get what's wrong with nvidia proprietary drivers in Natty.... :-(
[15:44] <simontol> Peace- :thanks , I'm logged in a Gnome session now, I'll try to switch to Xrender later.
[15:59] <xcross44> Hy!
[16:10] <darthanubis> high X usage again
[16:36] <c2tarun> where can I get a good looking digital clock widget?
[16:37] <c2tarun> *analog clock
[16:39] <montfras> c2tarun: add widgets -> search for analog clock?
[16:40] <montfras> or do you want an other design
[16:40] <c2tarun> montfras: yeah other desing
[16:40] <c2tarun> design
[16:41] <montfras> hmmm not much to find on kde-apps/look
[16:41] <c2tarun> oh... yeah.. how can I forget about kde-apps :)
[16:42] <montfras> well, I don't see too much analog clocks
[16:42] <montfras> sorry mate
[16:43] <c2tarun> montfras: no prob :) thanks for replying
[16:50] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, check this out , you need to setup window decor and colour themes to get this , but just keep trying til you find a clock you like , set it up i n add widgets first.. http://imagebin.org/155619
[16:52] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: hey, that clock is nice, and how did you manage to get that kind of panel?
[16:53] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: ping
[16:55] <SporkWitch> audio issue on 11.04; plugging in headphones no longer disables the speakers on my laptop.  what's worse, sometimes it decides to only output over the headphones, instead of speakers, even when i unplug the headphones.  I can't place exactly when this began to occur (hadn't installed any audio or system-related packages), and it was working fine initially after the clean install i did (reformated my old 10.10 install).  The only thng i can think of is
[16:55] <SporkWitch> that when phonon prompted me to remove "unused devices" and I clicked yes, that this is the issue.  No amount of googling seems to be turning up any help in resolving the issue, or restoring those devices to see if that was the issue.  Trying to avoid another clean install at all costs, because of a really poor net connection (caps out at 50KB/s, but usually is closer to 10-20KB/s).  Anyone have any ideas?
[16:55] <SporkWitch> oh, and now i don't get sound over either speakers OR headphones, whether headphones are plugged in or not
[16:55] <BluesKaj> add widgets, then in application appearance/style=oxygen , colours=marble, then in workspsce appearance /window decor=vistairglass
[16:56] <BluesKaj> c2tarun,^
[16:56] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: nope about the panel? how did you got that kind of panel?
[16:56] <c2tarun> that can't be daisy/
[16:56] <BluesKaj> nope it's just a regular plasma panel , that I setup
[16:57] <BluesKaj> add icons from the kemenu
[16:57] <c2tarun> BluesKaj:  how its edges are not touching the screen?
[17:00] <SporkWitch> audio issue on 11.04; plugging in headphones no longer disables the speakers on my laptop. what's worse, sometimes it decides to only output over the headphones, instead of speakers, even when i unplug the headphones. I can't place exactly when this began to occur (hadn't installed any audio or system-related packages), and it was working fine initially after the clean install i did (reformated my old 10.10 install). The only thng i can think of is
[17:00] <SporkWitch> that when phonon prompted me to remove "unused devices" and I clicked yes, that this is the issue. No amount of googling seems to be turning up any help in resolving the issue, or restoring those devices to see if that was the issue. Trying to avoid another clean install at all costs, because of a really poor net connection (caps out at 50KB/s, but usually is closer to 10-20KB/s). Anyone have any ideas?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, click on the cashew , then you'll see the adjustment arrows on both ends of the panel , click and hold and move them
[17:01] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, install alsa-base and alsa-utils
[17:02] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: won't that conflict with phonon?
[17:02] <SporkWitch> nm, both are already installed anyway, heh
[17:02] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, after that open alsamixer in the terminal ,
[17:03] <BluesKaj> there's no conflict with phonon ... they work together
[17:04] <BluesKaj> make sure alsamixer sees the soundcard/driver ..it will be listed at the top left
[17:05] <SporkWitch> it does, and it's set to the correct one
[17:05] <SporkWitch> starting that up seems ot have at least restored the headphone audio, but still won't turn the main speakers back on when i unplug the headphones
[17:05] <SporkWitch> settings APPEAR to be good, though...
[17:07] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: laptop is a toshiba l505d, card reads as HDA ATI SB, realtek alc272 chipset
[17:07] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, make sure your ctrls are all turned up in alsamixer , f6 and choose the souncard
[17:07] <SporkWitch> all volumes maxed, mics at 50%, and mic boosts at 0
[17:09] <BluesKaj> f6 and choose the souncard ,, try that with the headphones and without \\
[17:10] <BluesKaj> which backend are you using in phonon, SporkWitch?
[17:10] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: let me double check, i was trying vlc and xine based on what little i turned up in google; thought i switched back to gstreamer though
[17:11] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: set to VLC at the moment
[17:11] <BluesKaj> if you use vlc .make sure you setup the audio under tools
[17:12] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: somewhere in the system settings? or you mean in VLC player? (i'm using amarok with an ogg going as my audio output to test)
[17:12] <BluesKaj> march the output device to the card setup in phonon device preference
[17:12] <BluesKaj> match
[17:18] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: sry about that, kwin locked up and wouldn't accept any keyboard input, ended up having to restart
[17:19] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: in any case, no luck with the unplugging and replugging and reselecting sound card; one thing does stand out, though, is that "master" and "headphone" show "00" highlighted green at the bottom, whereas everything else except mic boost and PCM show "MM" (the rest have nothing)
[17:20] <SporkWitch> son of a monkey >_<
[17:20] <SporkWitch> fixed, alsa had it muted, phonon didn't
[17:22] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: ok, so that solves the no sound issue (though when i mute headphone, the speakers turn off as well..), now it's on to getting it to disable the speakers when the headphones are plugged in
[17:24] <BluesKaj> SporkWitch, MM means muted , click M to unmute ir mute'
[17:25] <BluesKaj> amarok is clunky for me on 11.04 , it doesn't import the music from the path I give it
[17:25] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: yup, figured that much out, felt like an idiot, and got the speakers to work; now muting headphones turns off speakers and headphones; turning off speakers only turns off speakers, and plugging / unplugging has no effect.  but at least i have sound again, heh
[17:25] <SporkWitch> only issue i noticed in amarok was that it doesn't store a local cache of an external drive i told it to add when plugged in, so loading it takes a while when i mount it
[17:26] <SporkWitch> and that it seems to think this 4 minutes song is 47 seconds, but will still play the whole thing lol
[17:26] <BluesKaj> the headphone issue is quirky , some headphone outputs bypaas the sound card ...
[17:30] <SporkWitch> see, that's the thing, it didn't work in 10.04, didn't work in 10.10 at first, then one of the updates it came up with fixed it and it worked
[17:30] <SporkWitch> i installed 11.04 a week ago, clean install, and it worked fine
[17:30] <SporkWitch> then seemingly randomly i started getting these issues
[17:31] <SporkWitch> at least you helped me get control of which i'm using, so at least i can make it do what i want, even if it's not automated.  i might just end up doing another clean install eventually and just watch very carefully as i add packages to see what caused the issue
[17:31] <SporkWitch> bottom line is, this is definitely a software issue and switch, not hardware.
[17:33] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: in any case, i just realize what time it is; DFAC closes in 30, and i need food before i take my malaria pill; chat with ya in a bit if you like, and thanks for the help getting sound back
[18:05] <c-c-m> hello, I want to install Kubuntu on a HP laptop and I don't get the option to install it alongside Windows7 nor I can create new partitions
[18:06] <c-c-m> I am using the same USB I used to install kubuntu on this computer
[18:11] <david_> hi
[18:12] <david_> what's the best font for Konsole?
[18:15] <jussi> c-c-m: thats because you can only have 4 partitions and HP has taken them all...
[18:16] <jussi> (I have a hp laptop and was annoyed at the same thing)
[18:16] <c-c-m> oh, you're right
[18:16] <c-c-m> so, what can I do?
[18:16] <jussi> remove a partition...
[18:16] <jussi> or 2
[18:17] <jussi> I removed the last partition (about 2 gig) - it was some quick boot thing they had on there (a media player and webbrowser perhaps). I never used it...
[18:17] <c-c-m> the problem is that there are two partitions which I don't know what they are
[18:18] <c-c-m> and I don't feel confident removing things I don't know what they are
[18:18] <c-c-m> and the two I know are rescue to defaults and programs + data
[18:18] <jussi> c-c-m: one is a "boot" partition - really small iirc
[18:19] <c-c-m> by the way: that sounds weird, since I have more than two partitions on my current installation if I count swap partition
[18:19] <jussi> c-c-m: but more than 4?
[18:21] <jussi> I think there might be some work around, I have no more info than what Ive given to you, so you can either wait or ask the master of our souls.... oh wait, I mean google :P
[18:21] <c-c-m> let me check, hold on
[18:21] <c-c-m> ha ha ha
[18:21] <c-c-m> ok, thank you very much
[18:21] <c-c-m> I think that my partition table says sbda and sbdd or something like that
[18:21] <c-c-m> it's like I had two hard disks, although I only have one
[18:39] <sata> hello folks, just ck to kubuntu after a few years. everything going well. I am not a big fan of 24 hour clock, could some one point me i nthe direction of how to convert to 12 hours
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> sata: In the Locale section of System Settings you should be able to change that
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> The "Date & Time" tab
[18:43] <sata> k thx
[19:43] <rosco_y> Does anyone know how to add openSUSE to the grub menu?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, did you sudo update-grub ?
[20:03] <dan_l> anybody running a copy of amarok right now?  Perhaps you can help me with a little experiment?
[20:03] <antonio_1985_> hello
[20:03] <dan_l> I want to find out if Amarok is broken or if the stream is broken.
[20:10] <chupa_> Пт
[20:10] <rosco_y> dan_l: try some other streams
[20:11] <chupa_> l
[20:11] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: no I didn't, would that add openSUSE to my menu?
[20:11] <chupa_> Пт
[20:11] <rosco_y> chupa_: are you haveing troubles with your keyboard?
[20:11] <chupa_> no
[20:17] <dan_l> ah.  It was the stream!!
[20:18] <dan_l> cbs :(
[20:18] <Ankhwatcher> dan_l: don't cross them
[20:18] <Ankhwatcher> does kubuntu support mdadm raid during installation?
[20:18] <dan_l> ankwatcher:  why?  They'll make me watch more of their bad prime time tv:)
[20:19] <Ankhwatcher> dan_l: I dunno, just don't cross the streams bro
[20:19] <dan_l> Oh.  the streams.  Don't cross the streams.
[20:19] <dan_l> I heard that in a movie once.
[20:24] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, try it, see if it does
[20:24] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: ok, can't hurt :)
[20:25] <rosco_y> Thanks!
[20:25] <BluesKaj> it will list the OSs
[20:27] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: I think that did work--thanks a lot!
[20:27] <BluesKaj> np
[20:31] <BajK> hm, waiting for 4.7 :(
[20:41] <BluesKaj> BajK, 4.6.3 is still a bit unstable
[20:42] <BajK> ?
[20:42] <BajK> BluesKaj
[20:43] <BluesKaj> so 4.7 will be worse
[20:43] <BajK> why should it?
[20:43] <BajK> the only things that annoy me to hell are those laggy resizings in plasma
[20:43] <BajK> especially when it comes to animations, change of content size and scroll bars
[20:44] <BajK> but I dont know, there are no packages for kubuntu :(
[20:45] <BajK> 4.7 again sounds so awesome, as does every new kde major relase :)
[20:45] <BluesKaj> BajK, I'm having scrn freezes if i don't use the default window decor and appearance etc
[20:46] <BajK> hm dunno, I use the default window deco :D
[20:46] <BluesKaj> BajK, how long til 4.7 is available?
[20:46] <BajK> end of july? but on wednesday there has been 4.7 Beta 1 release
[20:47] <BajK> but no kubuntu packages yet although it is saturday already.
[20:47] <BluesKaj> no ppa ?
[20:47] <BajK> none in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[20:48] <BajK> and there would have been an announcement on kubuntu.org
[20:48] <BajK> I checked it and there has been a packages for 4.6 beta 1, so its not because of "beta 1"
[20:48] <BajK> hm maybe they have compilation problems, are too lazy, or canonical finally wants to push its [swear here] unity stuff and kill kubuntu :D
[20:51] <BluesKaj> BajK, intersting " KDM, KDE's login manager now interfaces with the Grub2 bootloader"
[20:51] <BajK> I would appreciate a noob-friendly kdm
[20:51] <BajK> or family friendly
[20:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, fewer probs with grub and kdm loading
[20:52] <BajK> BluesKaj: Krunner starts on typing on the empty desktop (no need for Alt-f2), nice new shadow effects, dolphin's interface is much more sleaker
[20:53] <BajK> I was more talking of a family friendly kdm, i.e. HAVE A LIST OF USERS
[20:55] <rosco_y> Does anyone know a name of a utility I can install to graph my disk usage?
[20:57] <rosco_y> Got it.  I think I'll try Baobab....
[21:02] <dirk_> I have an 8-button mouse, and while some applications have sensible defaults most don't know how to handle buttons 3-8. How can I configure dolphin, or kde globaly to treat the buttons as some kind of action? I ahve been trying to use the "configure shortcuts" menu but it doesn't seem to work for mouseclicks.
[21:05] <Linkmaster> Hypothetical situation to present to you my friends:
[21:06] <Linkmaster> Help! My /home was deleted, what do I do????
[21:07] <BluesKaj> BajK, how do the apps run on 4.7. ..any probs ?
[21:07] <BajK> I dont have 4.7
[21:07] <BajK> since: problem stated above ^^
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:08]  * BluesKaj decides to wait til it's got a ppa with upgrades for the apps
[21:09] <BluesKaj> I don't mind compiling , but i avoid it unless absolutely necessary
[21:09] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: your running 4.7?? How does it compare to 4.6?
[21:09] <dirk_> Linkmaster: remake home and create a new user.
[21:09] <BluesKaj> nope , I'm not Linkmaster
[21:10] <Linkmaster> dirk_: how do you remake home though exactly?
[21:10] <dirk_> cd /
[21:10] <dirk_> mkdir home
[21:10] <Linkmaster> wow really? I could've done that...I thought it was more complicated then that though
[21:10] <dirk_> if you have home on your root partition
[21:11] <Linkmaster> and BluesKaj alright, I wanted to upgrade to 4.7, but didn't know if 4.6 stuff worked on it or not
[21:11] <dirk_> if you have home on a seperate partition the steps are slightly different.
[21:11] <BluesKaj> dirk, could he use the live cd and just find the old home partition and name it over again without a reformat
[21:12] <dirk_> no reformat needed.
[21:12] <Linkmaster> Yeah, its on the root partition, its all good, Im just paranoid, and afraid someone'll hack into my computer, and simply erase /home. that'll do a lot more damage to me then screwing around in /
[21:12] <BluesKaj> dirk_, I didn't say reformat
[21:13] <dirk_> you could also just create a new blank home directory and all applications are supposed to fix their own configuration but IIRC both kde and gnome sometimes have trouble with that.
[21:14] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, your /home partition should show up in places in dolphin as the larger of the 2
[21:14] <Linkmaster> ^That doesn't make much sense to meh :o
[21:15] <dirk_> so if your username is 'user' then you would create the directories; '/home' and then '/home/user' every app is supposed to be able to handle recreating their own configuration data.
[21:17] <gomiboy> add a cp /etc/skel /home/user ; chown -R user /home/user ;)
[21:17] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, I naturally assumed you have a separate /home partition
[21:18] <Linkmaster> I guess?
[21:18] <BluesKaj> not a /home dir
[21:18]  * Linkmaster is wondering how its a /home partition..always thought it was inside root
[21:18] <ubuntu> im currently running 11.04 live i havnt installed it yet i have a question does it matter if i have my /home  on a differen partition?
[21:18] <Linkmaster> Huh, I guess it is possible xD
[21:19] <BluesKaj> it sure is
[21:19] <ubuntu> different*
[21:19] <ubuntu> i did on 10.10
[21:19] <dirk_> ubuntu: generally it's a better practice to have /home on a seperate partition.
[21:19] <ubuntu> k
[21:19] <ubuntu> i didnt know if would cause any problems
[21:20] <dirk_> that means you could forinstance install a different unix derived OS in the root partition and still keep all your user settings.
[21:20] <Linkmaster> Okay...now I need some explanation. I have two partitions. WIndows and Kubuntu. How is my /home in a seperate partition??
[21:20] <ubuntu> ty deik
[21:20] <BluesKaj> I just upgrade my install to 64 bit , and all my data and conf files/settings were retained , because /home was on it's own partition..very handy
[21:20] <ubuntu> link, you should have three then
[21:21] <ubuntu> i think
[21:21] <dirk_> partitions are subdivisions of harddrives (keeping it simple for now)
[21:21] <ubuntu> the last windows operating sytem i installed was 4 months ago it was xp on a old computer
[21:21] <ubuntu> blue, the max you can normal have is 4
[21:21] <ubuntu> blue, so watch out
[21:22] <ubuntu> normally*
[21:22] <Linkmaster> I know how partitions work..Im just trying to figure out how its working. I open up dolphin, and I have: home, random stuff, Root[in red], trash, and other HD's I have connected.
[21:22] <ubuntu> i dont have my glasses on sorry
[21:22] <ubuntu> i was using the incorrect name
[21:22] <dirk_> in linux partitions are largely invisible to users.
[21:22] <Linkmaster> I go to Root, and right there staring happily at me is my /home
[21:23] <dirk_> run "mount -l" and look at the output.
[21:23] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, it's beside your / on the drive and it's ext4 , when you install , you make a smaller partition for the OS as / . then the larger one alsom ext4 for /home
[21:23] <Linkmaster> I didn't recall doing this though
[21:23] <dirk_> on my computer I have a line that reads "/dev/md1 on /home type ext4 (rw,commit=0)"
[21:23] <ubuntu> thank you for your help dirk
[21:24] <Linkmaster> let me open up fdisk real fast..
[21:24] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, I've has as many 4 OSs on this drive ..it's no biggie
[21:24] <Linkmaster> Hm...fdisk does say theres three
[21:24] <Linkmaster> well, four rather, including the Windows
[21:25] <dirk_> that means that home is a seperate partition formated as ext4 and it resides on device /dev/md1
[21:25] <Linkmaster> sda2, 5, and 6. Hm
[21:26] <Linkmaster> One is 1.5gigs, the other is 122 gigs, and its listed twice
[21:26] <Linkmaster> the 1.5gig one is my SWAP partition
[21:26] <andreas> 883
[21:26] <gomiboy> Linkmaster: 5 is the 'extended' which contains 6
[21:28] <Linkmaster> well, it says here 2 contains 5, though I believe thats the same thing that your talking about
[21:28] <gomiboy> yes, i was guessing :)
[21:28] <dirk_> anyway, does anyone have the answer to my question? I have an 8-button mouse, and while some applications have sensible defaults most don't know how to handle buttons 3-8. How can I configure dolphin, or kde globaly to treat the buttons as some kind of action? I ahve been trying to use the "configure shortcuts" menu but it doesn't seem to work for mouseclicks.
[21:29]  * Linkmaster has a trackpad, so he's useless
[21:30] <gomiboy> 8 buttons?!?! where do you put your hand without clicking everywhere? :)
[21:32] <dirk_> two tubm buttons, and 3 are small and in line with the scrollwheel. It's actually quite comfortable.
[21:32] <Crell> Hi folks.  Is the usb-creator program to make an installable USB stick only available on (K)Ubuntu?
[21:32] <Linkmaster> Its one of those hi-end gaming mouses. I'm jealous
[21:32] <Crell> I'm on a Suse system at the moment and cannot locate it.  (I want to switch back over to Kubuntu.)
[21:32] <Linkmaster> Crell: nope, any OS[linux I'm positive, Windows I'm not sure]
[21:32] <Crell> Hm.
[21:33] <Linkmaster> I've used usb-creator to install ubuntu, kubuntu, mint, fedora, and a couple others
[21:33] <Crell> OK, I'll go bug the Suse folks to figure out where it's hiding.  Thanks.
[21:33] <dirk_> yeah it cost me a good 80$ :) worth it though, even if I mostly use it for firefox browsing so far. Having a back button on the mouse is invaluable.
[21:33] <Linkmaster> can't you install it through Yast?
[21:34] <Linkmaster> dirk_: I used to have a microsoft moues that had a back button. so useful. and yes, microsoft makes good mouses :P
[21:34] <Crell> I never use the gui. :-)  I've checked in zypper (the cli tool
[21:34] <Crell> ) and haven't found it yet.
[21:34]  * Linkmaster doesn't use SUSE, so he doesn't know anything about it
[21:35] <Crell> I installed it last fall when Kubuntu was being cranky and buggy.
[21:35] <Crell> I found Suse to be just as cranky and buggy. :-)
[21:35] <Crell> And is now acting even weirder, so it's time to go back.
[21:35] <BluesKaj> !usb
[21:35] <Linkmaster> 10.10? I liked it..I picked up Kubuntu when it was still in its alpha stages in 10.10, and I loved it xD
[21:35] <Crell> No, I was on 10.04 at the time.
[21:36] <Crell> Basically no distro I've tried has liked my video chip (Intel X3100) since Kubuntu 7.10. :-(
[21:36] <Linkmaster> Hmm...I believe 10.04 is the best LTS yet. According to some of the members I've heard from that is
[21:37] <BluesKaj> Crell, are talking about startup disk creator
[21:37] <BluesKaj> '
[21:38] <Crell> BluesKaj: Yes, so I can install 11.04 to a netbook, and then eventually to this laptop.
[21:39] <BluesKaj> !netbook |Crell
[21:39] <Crell> Was that supposed to PM me something from the bot? :-)
[21:40] <BluesKaj> Crell, I think netbook edition is only available as 10.04 LTS
[21:41] <Crell> That's not what the website implies.
[21:41] <Crell> Well, it says it's not a separate "edition" anymore.
[21:41] <BluesKaj> the bot was supposed to give give us a factoid here in the text
[21:42] <BluesKaj> Crell,, well look around , I'm sure you'll find something suitable
[21:42] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: netbook edition is incorporated with all additions. Its not a seperate 'addition' in fact. Go to system settings, plasma workspace behavior, you can change from desktop to netbook any time you'd like
[21:43] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, well, thanks for the info , but there's no netbook in my future :)
[21:44] <Crell> I don't actualy USE mine.  It's just a backup device.
[21:44] <Linkmaster> I dislike netbooks Dx
[21:44] <BluesKaj> I'm waiting for my laptop to be returned once my daughter is settled and I can return her imac
[21:47] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: She took your netbook?
[21:50] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, laptop ..she was working in the UK for 8mos so lent her my laptop ...she's back in Toronto , but not ready for all her stuff yet ...needs to find a decent apt
[21:51] <Daskreech> ah right iMac
[21:51] <Daskreech>  not laptop
[21:52] <Daskreech> ok
[21:53] <BluesKaj> her imac is abit old , but it still serves the purpose
[21:57] <Crell> Oh good.  The suse usb image burning tool only works for Suse installer images specifically.
[22:00] <Linkmaster> Thats...depressing D: I know that the Kstartup-creator is universal[for linux, once again, not sure about Windows]
[22:00]  * Crell doesn't even have a windows computer in the house.
[22:03] <Chronix> Hey
[22:06] <BluesKaj> Crell, well there must be a kubuntu site that has the image
[22:07] <Linkmaster> Crell: you can always download K3b can't you? I know that works :P
[22:07] <TTA> HI
[22:07] <Crell> That can make a bootable usb?
[22:07] <Mario__> hi
[22:08] <Mario__> may i ask a noobish question please?
[22:08] <TTA> is there a channel for python programmer on freenode irc?
[22:08] <yofel> #python ?
[22:09] <gomiboy> Mario__: just ask
[22:09] <Crell> Linkmaster: I didn't know k3b could make a bootable usb install key.
[22:09] <Linkmaster> Crell: I believe so
[22:09] <Linkmaster> install key? Not sure..
[22:09] <yofel> usb-creator can do that, but I don't think k3b can
[22:09] <Crell> That's what I'm trying to do: Create a bootable Usb key to install the latest kubuntu on a netbook.
[22:10] <Crell> yofel: Yes, and I'm on Suse and the moment and can't find usb-creator. :-)  The suse equivalent doesn't seem to support anything other than the suse install image, which I don't get.
[22:10] <yofel> !usb
[22:10] <TTA> thanks a lot
[22:11] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: It's not universal it only works for Debian Distros
[22:11] <Crell> yofel: Yes, I've already been there.  It's getting a copy of usb-creator that is the problem.
[22:11] <Daskreech> Mario__: please ask :)
[22:12] <yofel> try unetbootin
[22:12] <yofel> I never used it though
[22:12] <Daskreech> !info unetbootin
[22:14] <TTA> what can i do to be root in the case that i am not ?
[22:15] <yofel> !sudo | TTA
[22:17] <TTA> how to register on freenode?
[22:18] <TTA> how to register on freenode?
[22:23] <Mario__> so, i always used windows until now and i want to switch to linux.. i have read that kubuntu = ubuntu jsut with different graphic environment, is that the only thing which differs between them? or something else changes aswell?
[22:23] <BluesKaj> !register | TTA
[22:23]  * Linkmaster thinks that Kubuntu is better because of many reasons
[22:23] <Linkmaster> though Mario__ they use the same core, but many different applications
[22:24] <Mario__> i tried looking some stuff on the internet but i didnt end up with any conclusion
[22:24] <Linkmaster> What are looking for exactly?
[22:25] <Mario__> well, from a windows user which wants to quit using windows and moving to linux what i should do
[22:25] <Mario__> i dont know much about linux generally
[22:26] <BluesKaj> Mario__, it's mostly a matter of taste ..try both for yourself , altho currently gnome is suffering some graphics probs on the new Unity desktop , so a lot of gnome users are using classic gnome or switching to kde (kubuntu)
[22:27] <Mario__> the question which bothers me mostly is if ill lose something more than graphics between ubuntu or kubuntu
[22:27] <Mario__> idc about graphics tbh
[22:27] <Linkmaster> yeah, my advice having done the same as you, just dive right in
[22:27] <Mario__> consider that i use windows classic theme lol
[22:27] <Linkmaster> Mario__: everything in ubuntu will work in kubuntu, you'll just need to port some libs over that aren't KDE based. Graphics are beautiful though
[22:28] <BluesKaj> Mario__, well anything you can do in windows can be done in linux and thensome , some gamers may disagree
[22:29] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: if he uses windows classic, I don't think he games too much..though currently, Windows is the gaming platform. Otherwise, Mario__ theres only like one thing that isn't made for Linux that is in Windows, that I know of
[22:30] <Mario__> im a gamer, but i want to explore more of computer and expand my knowledge, which i have a bit already, but i know that if ill keep being on windows ill nevr be able to know how computers really work like
[22:30] <dirk_> you can just install gnome/kde on (K)Ubuntu and they become practically the same except for the login screen. Then each user can choose their window manager.
[22:31]  * BluesKaj won't mention the thing ppl use to run (k)ubuntu on windows
[22:31] <BluesKaj> :)
[22:31] <Mario__> "choosing" the linux os makes me feel like "choosing" the programming language
[22:31] <Mario__> lol
[22:31] <Linkmaster> Funny story: you can use any programing language in linux :D
[22:32] <Mario__> im always undecided.. im like ok ill go for that one then a while later i feel i regret what i do
[22:32] <Linkmaster> I know someone who is planning on creating his own DE using python, and someone else who recommends me to learn Qt
[22:32] <Mario__> no well tbh i wanted to learn c++, but then i wonder if c or python or something else would be more useful..
[22:32] <Linkmaster> Linux is about freedom and choices. If you dont like it, okay, uninstall it and try something new. If you don't like that, try something new. I know of...a couple thousand different OS's alone that you can choose from
[22:33] <Crell> Depends what you want to do with it.
[22:33] <Crell> Learning C++ is useless if you're doing web apps.
[22:33]  * BluesKaj is too old and impatient to learn programing
[22:33] <Crell> Learning PHP is useless if you're writing system drivers.
[22:33] <Linkmaster> Learning Lua isn't the best if you want object-orienting
[22:33] <Mario__> i dont want to do web apps
[22:33] <Mario__> thats for sure
[22:34]  * BluesKaj wonders what ppl mean by object-orienting
[22:34] <Crell> object-oriented programming techniques.
[22:34] <DarkriftX> ok, so i seem to be confused on wtf a plasmoid is vs a plasma widget. where do i go to find more plasma widgets that I can put on the kde 4.x panels?
[22:34]  * Linkmaster never really figured it out himself
[22:34] <DarkriftX> i keep getting these plasmoids that dont work
[22:34] <BluesKaj> i orient objects all the time when I work around the house:)
[22:34] <Crell> http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/language-tradeoffs
[22:34] <Linkmaster> DarkriftX: I think plasmoids and widgets ar the same thing, just different names
[22:35] <Linkmaster> !plasmoid
[22:35] <Mario__> xD
[22:35] <DarkriftX> all the plasmoids i dl dont install
[22:35] <DarkriftX> its been that way for a year but i normally just give up
[22:35] <Linkmaster> Hm..where/how are you downloading them?
[22:35] <DarkriftX> kde-look.org
[22:35] <DarkriftX> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/System+Monitor?content=134117
[22:35] <Mario__> i kinda would like to get on game programming but probably if ill focus on that i wont be able to do anything else i guess
[22:35] <DarkriftX> downloaded that, tried to follow the directions, missing the 5. \"SuperKaramba: Karamba Desktop Theme\" -> \"Next\"
[22:35] <DarkriftX> step
[22:36] <DarkriftX> i dont have that, i have "native plasmoid widget"
[22:36] <BluesKaj> I'll leave the programming for the nerds , just using linux  fulfills my nerd-needs
[22:36] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: hahah
[22:36] <agostino> salve
[22:37] <agostino> list!
[22:37] <Linkmaster> Mario__: what type of games are you looking to create? Because you can make some nice games using Lua and the LOVE game engine[2D though]
[22:37] <BluesKaj> agostino, no mp3s here
[22:38] <Mario__> i know lua is used a lot in mmorpg with c++ aswell usually its used to manage events and such, tbh i had in my mind to go for c++ > SDL, i wonder if tht is a good road to follow
[22:40] <Linkmaster> Hm, not sure
[22:40] <Linkmaster> I know that Lua is the main language in WoW
[22:41] <Mario__> isnt lua an extension usually? like "attached" in the program lets say to add more stuff
[22:41] <Linkmaster> Hmm, no. Its a fully developed extremely powerful language
[22:42] <Linkmaster> For example, using Lua, the LOVE game engine can, with three lines of script, display the words "Hello World!" in a simple window with black background. With more simple coding, you can have it go up and down, and left and right, by itself. Its ingenious coding
[22:43] <Mario__> i have never thought of lua this way.. now im gonna wonder more which language i should learn and focus on the most lol
[22:44] <Linkmaster> all of them :P
[22:44] <Linkmaster> go to www.love2d.org, learn more. The wiki is especially useful
[22:44] <Mario__> you take it easy :P
[22:44] <DarkriftX> whats the best way to uninstall something yo installed while compiling?
[22:45] <DarkriftX> while/by
[22:45] <Mario__> so this love2d uses lua
[22:46] <Linkmaster> go to the file you compiled from and type 'uninstall' or 'unmake' depending on how far you went with it. If you installed it, type uninstall then unmake
[22:47] <BluesKaj> DarkriftX, go to the app folder and in the  install textfile you'll find the uninstall instruction but it's usually make uninstall if you used make install during the compile
[22:47] <Mario__> i already know the general basics of programming as in functions passing values if while for switch and those things, even something about pointers, but i always feel i dont know enough basic stuff :P
[22:47] <DarkriftX> crap, thats the answer i was hoping not to hear
[22:47] <DarkriftX> i installed something a few years ago that i need to get rid of
[22:48] <BluesKaj> DarkriftX, what was it ?
[22:48] <Linkmaster> Mario__: you can never learn enough :P
[22:48] <DarkriftX> yasp-scripted (a system monitor widget)
[22:49] <Mario__> what languages do you knw linkmaster
[22:49] <Linkmaster> I'm a dabbler in Lua, C++, and just am about to dive into Qt and Python
[22:49] <DarkriftX> worked great, but stopped with a recent upgrade to kde. ive tried to update it but installing the new verison over it doesnt upgrade it. i need to remove it to install the new one
[22:50] <DarkriftX> so now i have to find where i installed it from, if i didnt delete that folder
[22:50] <Mario__> do you think if i learnt how to use love  it would help me understand more about programming? obviously i believe i take it that if i learn something in a language it will somehow be useful anyway in another one since the logic behind is the same kinda
[22:51] <DarkriftX> it depends on the lang
[22:51] <DarkriftX> some langauges are like many others, some arent
[22:52] <Mario__> i wish it was easier because i hate to feel what i learn may not be useful later on for something else
[22:52] <Mario__> dont know if any of you feels like me or im the only one :P
[22:56] <Linkmaster> Mario__: no, your right. The best way to become a suburb programmer is to be a mediocre one in several languages
[22:57] <Mario__> what does suburb mean? :S english is not my main language and translator doesnt help lol
[22:58] <Linkmaster> haha, superb. I spelled it wrong, I type too fast sometimes, my bad
[22:58] <Linkmaster> Your English is so good, I didn't know until you told me. I gave you a non-real word Dx
[22:59] <Mario__> well my speaking sucks :P
[22:59] <Mario__> i learnt it through internet
[22:59] <Mario__> just by chatting and such
[22:59] <Mario__> im 18
[22:59] <Mario__> i guess these years wasted gaming gave me a boost in what i want to do now anyway xD
[23:00] <Mario__> if it wasnt for games i wouldnt know english this much
[23:00] <Linkmaster> writing and talking a language is two vastly different things. I can work my way through spanish on paper, but expect me to speak it? Youd be crazy xD
[23:00] <Mario__> and italian sucks because there arent as much resources as in english
[23:01] <Linkmaster> Hey, Italian is a very nice language[from someone who cant' understand it]
[23:01] <Mario__> i hate to be italian :P
[23:01] <Linkmaster> Why?
[23:01] <Mario__> just feel i would have loved to be born somewhere else
[23:02] <Linkmaster> Same here
[23:02] <Mario__> where are you from?
[23:02] <Linkmaster> lets take this to #kubuntu-offtopic, so that we aren't spamming the support channel
[23:06] <Mario__> im there
[23:09] <BluesKaj> dinner and tv and all that , bbl
[23:50] <octocpp> what is the diff between the LTS and the non LTS ?
[23:52] <octocpp> ok, the LTS has support, but vr 11.04 still has plasma and stuff right? what ver of KDE is kubuntu  up to right now?
[23:52] <Linkmaster> 4.6.3
[23:53] <octocpp> ahh, seems the same as suse factory
[23:53] <Linkmaster> LTS means its supported for 3 years
[23:53] <octocpp> nice and up to date
[23:53] <Linkmaster> nonLTS is for 18 months
[23:53] <octocpp> I see
[23:53] <octocpp> do you know is the kms/intell driver issue has been resolved in the kernel or intell drivers yet?
[23:54] <Linkmaster> Its possible somehow to use KDE4.7 on Kubuntu, but I dont' know how at the moment
[23:54] <octocpp> i havent had 3d in about a year now lol
[23:54] <Linkmaster> Hm, no..though I've heard about that, I think they are working on it.
[23:54] <octocpp> cant even run gl screensavers, got tired of the lockups
[23:54] <octocpp> man, that one really killed us
[23:55] <octocpp> makes me wonder if intell is perpetuating some of this on purpose
[23:58] <Linkmaster> I think it is honestly