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semitonesalright I'm ready to try booting01:23
semitonesmikedep334, what's the difference between acpi=off, noapic, and no1apic?01:24
mikedep334apic is different from acpi01:24
mikedep334acpi handles power01:24
semitoneswhat does apic do01:24
mikedep334it's complicated01:25
mikedep334but it handles motherboard hardware resources01:25
mikedep334like IRQ's01:25
mikedep334which I haven't touched in over a decade01:25
semitonesso which ones should i try if I have trouble booting up on this old laptop?01:25
semitonesnoapic?01:25
mikedep334semitones: probably noacpi 1st01:25
mikedep334then try noapic if it doesn't work01:26
mikedep334also01:26
mikedep334you can try getting rid of "quiet splash" from the boot options01:26
mikedep334it might give relevant technical details, such as an error reading a sd card or something01:26
semitonesok01:26
semitoneshere goes, with apci=off01:27
semitonesgoes for a while, blah blah01:27
mikedep334linus torvalds: Modern PCs are horrible. ACPI is a complete design disaster in every way. But we're kind of stuck with it. If any Intel people are listening to this and you had anything to do with ACPI, shoot yourself now, before you reproduce.01:27
mikedep334Linus & the Lunatics, Part II (2003-11-25). Retrieved on 2006-08-28.01:27
semitonesbuffer i.o error on device sr0, logical block 34833401:28
mikedep334sr0 is the cdrom01:28
mikedep334it may tolerate the errors and continue after 10 minutes or so01:28
semitonesI'm glad you said that01:28
mikedep334in case I didn't make it clear, it's having errors reading the cdrom/dvdrom/bd-rom01:28
mikedep334I'01:28
mikedep334I've run into this or something similar on a couple of my systems recently01:29
semitonesmikedep334, hmm, could that be a driver error? I tested the cd on a newer computer and it found no errors01:29
mikedep334not sure if it's a problem with (l)ubuntu 11.04 or my 2 systems with similar DVD-ROM drives01:29
mikedep334semitones: it's probably a driver or drive error01:29
mikedep334worse case scenario, assuming you have a wired ethernet adapter, you could try using the mini iso01:31
mikedep334https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD01:31
mikedep334it's a tiny (20MB-10MB) CD that gives uses the old (but powerful) "alternate installer"01:32
mikedep334it downloads virtually everything from online01:32
mikedep334*it downloads every package it needs to install on your system from online01:32
KM0201just need to make sure you're comfortable w/ a text installer01:32
semitonesmikedep334, ok, well it finished booting but I'm at the command line01:35
mikedep334semitones: does it say "busybox"?01:36
semitonesno, it's bash. "welcome to ubuntu 11.04"01:36
mikedep334give it a minute to see if a graphical session starts up01:36
semitonesctrl alt f7 and f8 don't have a gui though01:36
semitonesit's been a minute, I'll wait a bit longer though01:36
mikedep334I think I may have run into this01:37
semitonestop says that not much is going on01:37
semitonesis there an /etc/init.d/gdm start, but for lubuntu?01:37
mikedep334semitones: try running "sudo service lxdm start"01:37
semitonesthanks :)01:37
semitoneshey it's going01:37
mikedep334https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/69489601:37
ubot5Ubuntu bug 694896 in lxdm (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Natty Alpha 1 CD Live on intel i845G didn't boot to lxdm " [Medium,Expired]01:37
mikedep334sounds like this may be your bug01:38
semitonesi hope this isn't an alpha image01:41
mikedep334semitones: run the command: uname -a01:42
mikedep334it will tell you when the kernel was compiled01:42
semitonesit says april 1101:42
mikedep334for me it was compiled April 11th01:42
mikedep334ok, you have the final version01:42
semitonesok cool01:42
semitonesalright I'm going to see if I can ndiswrapper01:43
mikedep334semitones: there's an easy GUI for it01:44
semitonesi guess I can't take the live cd out while it's running :P01:44
semitonesoh nice! didn't know about that01:44
mikedep334semitones: install: ndisgtk01:44
mikedep334yeah, linux mint includes ndisgtk by default01:44
semitonesif not that's ok, I had to learn ndiswrapper cli once before01:45
semitonesmikedep334, "already the latest version"01:46
semitoneslooks like it does come with lubuntu01:46
mikedep334semitones: cool01:48
semitonesso "hardware present: yes" is a good sign right? :)01:57
mikedep334semitones: yup02:05
semitonesand I added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules02:06
mikedep334semitones: good idea02:06
semitonesI still don't see a wlan0 though02:06
semitonesdid I miss a step?02:06
mikedep334semitones: nodprobe ndiswrapper or something?02:10
mikedep334did you load the driver file?02:10
semitonesis that modprobe ndiswrapper?02:15
mikedep334semitones: not sure02:15
mikedep334does it say driver loaded or something?02:15
semitonesno it doesn't02:15
mikedep334did you point it to the windows .inf or .sys file orwhatever?02:15
semitonesyes, and now it says "driver installed, device present"02:16
mikedep334ok02:16
mikedep334see if network-manager recognizes it02:16
mikedep334semitones: is sounds like the GUI isn't very clear.02:19
mikedep334it says "hardware present" before you load the windows driver file(s)02:19
semitonesI actually stopped using it, since the cli gives more information02:19
mikedep334semitones: ok, cool02:19
semitonesok02:20
semitoneslooks like you demod -a02:20
semitonesdepmod, rather02:21
semitonesand then modprobe ndiswrapper02:21
semitonesafter modprobing I still don't see a wireless interface though02:25
mikedep334hmm02:30
mikedep334maybe some command like02:30
mikedep334doesn't ndiswrapper's CLI have a command to see the status?02:30
semitonesit has -l for list02:31
mikedep334yeah02:31
mikedep334I'm reading this02:31
mikedep334https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper02:31
mikedep334ok, so you ran depmod -a02:31
mikedep334then modprobe ndiswrapper02:31
semitonesmikedep334, I never disabled any free drivers, is that something I should have done?02:31
semitonesthe kernel doesn't even come with the acx driver I need02:32
mikedep334semitones: is there a free driver for your card?02:32
mikedep334then don't worry about that02:32
mikedep334I would say to run "tail -n 30 /var/log/messages"02:32
semitonesI didn't have a /var/log/messages02:32
semitonesso I did /var/log/dmesg instead02:32
semitonesI saw a few things but ntohing that looked like an error02:33
mikedep334there should some commands like "ifup wlan0" or whatever02:33
semitonesthings having do to with the pcmia socket02:33
mikedep334it might not be a "wlan0"02:33
mikedep334maybe a "ndis0"02:33
mikedep334or a "eth1"02:33
mikedep334coming after your "eth0"02:34
semitonesmikedep334, I thought you could only do that if ifconfig shows that there "is" some interface, it is just not active02:34
mikedep334semitones: I haven't done it in a while02:34
mikedep334but I think ifconfig doesn't list disabled devices02:34
mikedep334oh02:34
mikedep334try iwconfig02:34
mikedep334yeah02:35
mikedep334iwconfig lists down devices02:35
semitonesno luck there either, just shows eth0 and lo02:35
mikedep334try: grep ndis /var/log/*02:35
semitonesnice02:36
semitonesholy moly there they are /var/log/syslog02:37
semitones"windows driver could not initialize this device"02:38
semitones"couldn't allocate xxxxxx bytes of un-cahched DMA memory"02:39
mikedep334semitones: what's the retail model of your card?02:40
mikedep334eg, "netgear wg311s"02:40
semitonesit's a linksys Wpc54g, ver 202:40
mikedep334http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Linksys_WPC54Gv202:43
mikedep334try the driver listed in that link02:44
semitonesthanks02:44
semitonesdead link, unfortunately02:44
semitonesmikedep334, I can confirm that the windows driver I'm attempting now did work for puppy linux02:45
mikedep334semitones: worksforme02:45
mikedep334the link02:45
mikedep334oh02:45
mikedep334the driver .zip02:45
semitonesyeah02:45
mikedep334this link sounds like it works, just ignore the popup ad02:46
mikedep334http://download.modem-help.co.uk/mfcs-L/LinkSys/WMP11/Drivers/Windows-9x/v2/v3-30-15-0/wpc54gv2-driver-utility-v2.02.zip.php02:46
mikedep334oh, this may help02:46
mikedep334http://wifi.uevora.pt/drivers/index.php?folder=bGlua3N5cy93cGM1NGc=02:46
sadiehi  i neeed help firefox 4 dont work with youtube but chrome yes02:51
mikedep334sadie: install flash player02:51
mikedep334I can get the package name if you need it02:51
mikedep334chrome ships its own specific version of flash02:52
mikedep334sadie: if you know how to use synaptic package manager, install the package: flashplugin-installer02:53
mikedep334then restart firefox02:53
sadieyes. i have it02:53
sadie10.302:53
mikedep334ok02:54
mikedep334what happens when you're on youtube?02:54
phillwsadie: you *may* want  to take a look at http://www.youtube.com/html502:54
sadiedont see anything  only black02:54
semitonesmikedep334, this is weird02:54
semitonesmikedep334, I uninstalled/reinstalled with the gui, got distracted for 5 minutes, and now it's trying to connect :D02:55
mikedep334semitones: cool02:55
mikedep334sadie: the whole page is black, or the video playback portion?02:55
semitonesmikedep334, man that's for all your help, I could  not have gotten through this without it02:55
mikedep334also, you can try chromium02:56
sadiethe video02:56
mikedep334semitones: no problem02:56
sadiei cant play02:56
mikedep334sadie: can you right click in the black video area?02:56
mikedep334do you get the flash right-click menu?02:56
mikedep334sadie: also, did you use update-manager or update your system through some other way recently?02:57
sadieyes and yes02:57
mikedep334hmm02:57
mikedep334I would say try chromium02:57
mikedep334so we know whether it is an issue with the shared flash player or with firefox02:58
semitonessadie, what happens if you reinstall flashplugin-nonfree using terminal. Do you get any information?02:58
sadiei dont know02:58
sadiechrome is ok02:58
mikedep334sadie: I said chromium not chrome03:00
mikedep334chromium uses the shared version of flash player I believe03:00
mikedep334chrome ships its own03:00
sadiealredy done03:00
sadiebut not yet03:00
semitonesoh whoops looks like lubuntu isn't booting04:24
semitonesI'm going to try setting it to apci=off again04:24
mikedep334semitones: it's almost midnight for me, good night04:59
semitonesmikedep334, goodnight mike, it was great talking to you04:59
semitonesis anyone here familiar with a problem: live cd is able to boot up with apci=off, but then once lubuntu is installed, grub fails without an error message?05:31
jmarsdensemitones: No, I'm not familiar with it, but maybe you can edit the grub command line to include acpi=off and then boot that, from the hard drive installation of Lubuntu?  IF that works, then editing the grub config files to always do acpi=off is straightforward.05:46
semitonesjmarsden, that's what I was hoping would happen, but even with apci=off, boot fails silently05:47
semitonesI just get the cursor in the top left of the screen05:47
semitonesany ideas what could be happening?05:48
jmarsdenNothing obvious comes to mind, unfortunately.  Of course, I just got home from a ~11 hour work day, so my mind is not exactly in great shape right now... I should probably just go to bed early :)05:49
semitonesget some rest then :)05:50
semitonesmaybe tomorrow I'll catch you around05:50
jmarsdenThanks... sorry I can't help more right now :)05:50
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pcmanhi11:05
pcmanjmarsden: ping13:24
Elwood_So I am getting setserial errors with every apt-get command13:35
Elwood_specifically http://paste.ubuntu.com/614157/13:35
Elwood_what should I do?13:35
bioterrorwhat's setserial? :o13:38
Elwood_no idea13:40
bioterrorhttp://setserial.sourceforge.net/setserial-man.html13:41
bioterrorI wonder if you need that13:42
Elwood_now getting update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/etc-setserial missing LSB information13:51
Elwood_halp13:51
bioterrorsudo apt-get purge setserial13:52
Elwood_-_-13:53
jvu13Does anyone know how to change the mouse buttons for use as a left-handed mouse?16:34
jvu13I've installed Lubuntu 11.04 but the menu app for setting the mouse to be left-handed seems to crash as soon as I click the check box.16:35
mikedep333jvu13: I don't have lubuntu up at the moment, but I believe that should be reported as a bug16:37
jvu13That is clearly the case. Nevertheless, there should be a way to do this without using the gui app but  just modifying or creating a config file somewhere...16:39
jvu13But where?16:39
mikedep333jvu13: let me fire up lubuntu in a virtual machine and see what files the menu changes16:45
jvu13Thank you! That wold be very nice.16:46
szczurjvu13, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18518616:46
szczurin my case it was xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5"16:47
szczurwith that command i had my right and left mouse buttons swapped16:47
mikedep333jvu13: it crashes for me too16:48
jvu13szczur: does this file require any special permissions (e.g. is it executable?)?16:48
szczurdunno, i just entered the command16:49
szczurbut i don't think so16:49
szczurcreate ~/.Xmodmap file with the setting you want16:50
szczurand check it if it works16:50
jvu13szczur: I just created it. Now I will sign off here, log out of lubuntu and log back in and then report back. Thanks.16:51
jvu13szczur: I remember doing this trick with .Xmodmap when I used fluxbox. Unfortunately it didn't change anything in my current lubuntu (after logging out and then back in again.16:55
mikedep333brb16:55
szczur:(16:56
szczurbut when you issue xmodmap command everything seems ok?16:56
jvu13szczur: I'll give it a try in a terminal window...16:57
jvu13szczur: It works!!16:58
jvu13Now: how do I get this to run automatically when I log in to lxde?16:58
szczurwhat about putting it to /etc/X11/Xmodmap?17:00
szczurhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/7190/why-wont-my-xmodmap-file-load-on-login17:00
szczuror or editing /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart and adding "@xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" line17:00
jvu13szczur: sounds good. I'll put it in the autostart file. If that fails then I'll try the X11/Xmodmap route. Thanks for your help!!17:04
szczurno problem17:07
mikedep333phillw, or any other dev: when lxtasks lists the memory used, they're including the buffer as well17:25
mikedep333so it says 150MB from my live CD, rather than 100MB17:25
mikedep333are you sure that's a good representation of the actual memory used?17:26
esing123hi18:02
esing123how do i take a screenshot on lubuntu?18:02
bioterrorprint screen18:04
bioterrorand you will have it in your home folder18:04
bioterrorthat prntscr button18:04
esing123oh thx18:07
esing123i have like 13 images in my home folder now ^^18:07
bioterrorit uses scrot18:07
esing123good to know thx18:08
mikedep333question: is there a policy for what programming languages can be included in lxde or lubuntu-specific utilities?18:26
mikedep333I know C is very lightweight, but I'm much better at higher level languages18:26
bioterrorpcman seems to prefer c/c++ ;)18:27
mikedep333bioterror: ok, C++ is a better option for me18:28
mikedep333geese18:29
mikedep333update-manager is using 46.7MB itself18:29
bioterrorterminal + apt uses less18:29
mikedep333bioterror: yeah18:29
mikedep333I'm thinking in terms of the museum I volunteer for18:30
hyperairnot such a big deal, dpkg itself occupies nearly 200M of memory18:30
mikedep333the regulars there are not as skilled as I am18:30
mikedep333hyperair: my entire usage is reported as 173MB right now as it works18:30
bioterroropenbox likes RAM ;)18:31
mikedep333now that update-manager is done: it's at 117MB18:31
mikedep333and free -m shows only 89MB used before buffers18:31
hyperairhm18:32
hyperairi guess dpkg takes more memory on systems that have a lot of packages installed18:33
mikedep333hyperair: yeah18:35
mikedep333all I had was lubuntu-desktop's dependencies18:36
hyperairah18:37
hyperairmakes sense.18:37
hyperairmy installation is... from 2008.18:37
hyperairi've changed hard disks thrice, but just rsync'd over all my files and had it continue working18:38
mikedep333hyperair: yeah18:38
mikedep333I'm curious about a way to clone an Ubuntu/Linux install over to a new system18:39
mikedep333and account for hardware differences18:39
hyperairthere isn't much to do18:39
mikedep333yeah18:39
hyperairjust rsync it all over to a new hard disk18:39
hyperairgrub-install18:39
hyperairuse UUID's in your fstab18:39
hyperairupdate initramfs to reflect new UUIDs18:39
mikedep333use same FS type?18:39
hyperairyeah18:39
mikedep333cool18:40
hyperairif you change the FS, just change the fstab entry18:40
mikedep333right18:40
mikedep333is there a way to know the ubuntu default fstab options?18:40
hyperaircat /etc/fstab?18:40
mikedep333I mean18:40
mikedep333when you don't have a sample18:40
hyperairman fstab18:41
mikedep333yeah, but I mean the Ubuntu defaults18:41
mikedep333I don't think ubuntu customizes the manpage for fstab18:41
mikedep333lol18:42
mikedep333the manpage for fstab in natty18:42
mikedep333has at the end:18:42
mikedep333Linux 2.2         15 June 199918:42
hyperairubuntu defautls?18:42
hyperairwhat do you mean?18:42
hyperairthe fstab looks pretty generic18:42
mikedep333well, for me it is:18:42
mikedep333errors=remount-ro 0 118:43
mikedep333there are some specific options for NTFS volumes too18:43
hyperair/dev/mapper/cryptostuff-root /               ext4    relatime,user_xattr,data=ordered,auto_da_alloc,errors=remount-ro 0       118:43
hyperairUUID=741bea04-fac2-4634-ad45-0543b31a673f /boot           ext4    relatime,errors=remount-ro        0       218:43
mikedep333although I've learned to give myself the permissions I need18:43
hyperair/dev/mapper/cryptostuff-home /home           ext4    relatime,user_xattr,data=ordered,auto_da_alloc,errors=remount-ro        0       218:43
hyperair/dev/mapper/cryptostuff-swap none swap sw,pri=1 0 018:43
hyperairnone /home/schroot/union/overlay/ tmpfs defaults 0 018:43
hyperairthat's mine.18:43
hyperairfor the most part, you can just go with default mount options18:43
bioterrorhyperair, dont make me !paste ;)18:43
hyperairsomething like..18:43
hyperairbioterror: it's just 5 lines!18:44
mikedep333gotcha18:44
hyperair/dev/asdf /mount/point filesystem defaults 0 118:44
hyperairerrors=remount-ro could be useful for ext418:44
hyperairi mean for /18:45
mikedep333hyperair: I'm familiar with the syntax for all but the last 2 things18:45
hyperairthe last two columns?18:45
mikedep333yes18:45
hyperairthe second last i don't recall18:45
hyperairin my fstab it says "<dump>"18:45
mikedep333yeah18:45
hyperairthe last one is the order in which it's fscked18:45
mikedep333<dump> & <pass>18:45
hyperairi.e. pass=1 gets fscked first18:45
hyperairpass=2 gets fscked in the second pass18:46
hyperairand so on18:46
mikedep333gotcha18:46
hyperairso for example, if you have stuff on multiple disks, you can fsck them in parallel18:46
mikedep333cool18:46
mikedep333well, thanks for teaching me stuff18:46
hyperairnp18:47
mikedep333I need to get back to errands18:47
mikedep333cya18:47
jwm123TOhello, can anyone help me with a sound issue? (Clementine won't play)19:53
modris_jwm123TO: what about other sounds from that pc?19:59
justushow to change the audio output in lubuntu?20:14
bioterroralsamixer20:15
bioterrorand f620:15
justusand where to find this?20:15
bioterroropen terminal20:16
bioterrorand type: alsamixer20:16
justusthere must be something i do wrong ...20:20
justuscan't make it working20:20
justusi found the alsamixer but somehow i cant change the used output device20:23
bioterrorhmmmm20:28
bioterrorjustus, sudo alsaconf20:29
bioterrorif everything goes well, you can choose your desired sound card from the list20:29
justuscommand not found20:30
stlsaintinteresting20:31
stlsaintbioterror: heads up i got the same output with that command20:32
justusi use lubuntu since today morning and at the first boot everything about the sound worked20:32
justusbut as i bppted again there is no sound20:33
justus*bootet20:33
bioterror:P20:33
justusand i believe the reason is the output device20:33
bioterrorno sound20:33
bioterrorwhen you have that alsamixer20:33
bioterrordo you see any muted bars?20:33
bioterrorthere's MM indicating muted20:34
justusthere is an "MM" at the "S/PDIF" bar ... but i cannot unmute it20:35
bioterrorhmmm20:36
bioterrormaster and PCM are OO?20:36
kosaidpohello guys21:13
stlsaintkosaidpo: yo21:13
kosaidpoi've installed ffmpeg but idk how to convert avi file to mp421:14
kosaidpoi used this ffmpeg -i filein -s sqcif -f mp4 file-out21:14
kosaidpobut its didnt work :P21:14
stlsaintoh crap i have no clue man21:14
kosaidpostlsaint: howdy21:15
stlsainti would check help.ubuntu.com21:15
stlsaintmy connection is scarily slow right now21:15
kosaidpostlsaint: okies cus me i check the fr ubuntu doc but get nethin really :P21:15
kosaidpostlsaint: is the mp4 the same as mpeg4 ??21:19
stlsaintnot sure man21:24
kosaidpostlsaint: iokay tnx in at its room i hop ican get some help21:24
kill3Hey all, is there a way to make Lubuntu 11.04 bootable from USB Stick using Ubuntu?21:57
phillwkill3: I made mine that way :)22:01
kill3phillw: Um, how?22:02
phillwsystem --> administration --> startup disk creator (on the older versions it was called usb disk creator)22:04
kill3phillw: Did not work :(22:34
kill3but it does not matter because I wont need it anyway22:34
phillwkill3: hmmm, then try unetbootin22:34
kill3In unetbootin there was no Lubuntu22:35
phillwI've never had problems making usb boot devices - the problems is that not all computers support usb booting (even tough they say they do).22:35
Unit193!usb22:36
ubot5For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent22:36
Unit193May as well have a look22:36
phillwthanks Unit193, I'm just tied up in some admin work (just for a cange :P )22:36
phillw*change*22:36
Unit193kill3: Do you know if your BIOS supports it?22:37
Unit193phillw: Sure thing!22:37
kill3I tried another distro earlier today22:38
kill3Puppy linux22:38
Unit193And it worked? With the same USB drive?22:39
kill3yes22:40
kill3I used unetbootin22:40
Unit193You should use unetbootin and select the Lubuntu ISO22:41
phillwkill3: IIR, you can manually select an iso in unetbootin.22:41
Unit193phillw: Yep!22:41
phillwUnit193: I'll leave him with you, I'll go and catch up on my admin work :P22:42
phillwhttp://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/ is another option - that site can do some pretty amazing things with usb drives :D22:42
kill3But in unetbootin you should select distro, but there is no Lubuntu22:43
phillwkill3: that is beacause until 11.10 Lubuntu is not fully adopted!22:44
kill3But how I should do it with Unetbootin then?22:44
Unit193kill3: At the end on the window, there is an option for diskimage22:44
kill3So I only choose the .iso and no distro?22:47
Unit193kill3: Correct22:47
Unit193http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/#install22:47

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