[01:23] alright I'm ready to try booting [01:24] mikedep334, what's the difference between acpi=off, noapic, and no1apic? [01:24] apic is different from acpi [01:24] acpi handles power [01:24] what does apic do [01:25] it's complicated [01:25] but it handles motherboard hardware resources [01:25] like IRQ's [01:25] which I haven't touched in over a decade [01:25] so which ones should i try if I have trouble booting up on this old laptop? [01:25] noapic? [01:25] semitones: probably noacpi 1st [01:26] then try noapic if it doesn't work [01:26] also [01:26] you can try getting rid of "quiet splash" from the boot options [01:26] it might give relevant technical details, such as an error reading a sd card or something [01:26] ok [01:27] here goes, with apci=off [01:27] goes for a while, blah blah [01:27] linus torvalds: Modern PCs are horrible. ACPI is a complete design disaster in every way. But we're kind of stuck with it. If any Intel people are listening to this and you had anything to do with ACPI, shoot yourself now, before you reproduce. [01:27] Linus & the Lunatics, Part II (2003-11-25). Retrieved on 2006-08-28. [01:28] buffer i.o error on device sr0, logical block 348334 [01:28] sr0 is the cdrom [01:28] it may tolerate the errors and continue after 10 minutes or so [01:28] I'm glad you said that [01:28] in case I didn't make it clear, it's having errors reading the cdrom/dvdrom/bd-rom [01:28] I' [01:29] I've run into this or something similar on a couple of my systems recently [01:29] mikedep334, hmm, could that be a driver error? I tested the cd on a newer computer and it found no errors [01:29] not sure if it's a problem with (l)ubuntu 11.04 or my 2 systems with similar DVD-ROM drives [01:29] semitones: it's probably a driver or drive error [01:31] worse case scenario, assuming you have a wired ethernet adapter, you could try using the mini iso [01:31] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:32] it's a tiny (20MB-10MB) CD that gives uses the old (but powerful) "alternate installer" [01:32] it downloads virtually everything from online [01:32] *it downloads every package it needs to install on your system from online [01:32] just need to make sure you're comfortable w/ a text installer [01:35] mikedep334, ok, well it finished booting but I'm at the command line [01:36] semitones: does it say "busybox"? [01:36] no, it's bash. "welcome to ubuntu 11.04" [01:36] give it a minute to see if a graphical session starts up [01:36] ctrl alt f7 and f8 don't have a gui though [01:36] it's been a minute, I'll wait a bit longer though [01:37] I think I may have run into this [01:37] top says that not much is going on [01:37] is there an /etc/init.d/gdm start, but for lubuntu? [01:37] semitones: try running "sudo service lxdm start" [01:37] thanks :) [01:37] hey it's going [01:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/694896 [01:37] Ubuntu bug 694896 in lxdm (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu Natty Alpha 1 CD Live on intel i845G didn't boot to lxdm " [Medium,Expired] [01:38] sounds like this may be your bug [01:41] i hope this isn't an alpha image [01:42] semitones: run the command: uname -a [01:42] it will tell you when the kernel was compiled [01:42] it says april 11 [01:42] for me it was compiled April 11th [01:42] ok, you have the final version [01:42] ok cool [01:43] alright I'm going to see if I can ndiswrapper [01:44] semitones: there's an easy GUI for it [01:44] i guess I can't take the live cd out while it's running :P [01:44] oh nice! didn't know about that [01:44] semitones: install: ndisgtk [01:44] yeah, linux mint includes ndisgtk by default [01:45] if not that's ok, I had to learn ndiswrapper cli once before [01:46] mikedep334, "already the latest version" [01:46] looks like it does come with lubuntu [01:48] semitones: cool [01:57] so "hardware present: yes" is a good sign right? :) [02:05] semitones: yup [02:06] and I added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules [02:06] semitones: good idea [02:06] I still don't see a wlan0 though [02:06] did I miss a step? [02:10] semitones: nodprobe ndiswrapper or something? [02:10] did you load the driver file? [02:15] is that modprobe ndiswrapper? [02:15] semitones: not sure [02:15] does it say driver loaded or something? [02:15] no it doesn't [02:15] did you point it to the windows .inf or .sys file orwhatever? [02:16] yes, and now it says "driver installed, device present" [02:16] ok [02:16] see if network-manager recognizes it [02:19] semitones: is sounds like the GUI isn't very clear. [02:19] it says "hardware present" before you load the windows driver file(s) [02:19] I actually stopped using it, since the cli gives more information [02:19] semitones: ok, cool [02:20] ok [02:20] looks like you demod -a [02:21] depmod, rather [02:21] and then modprobe ndiswrapper [02:25] after modprobing I still don't see a wireless interface though [02:30] hmm [02:30] maybe some command like [02:30] doesn't ndiswrapper's CLI have a command to see the status? [02:31] it has -l for list [02:31] yeah [02:31] I'm reading this [02:31] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper [02:31] ok, so you ran depmod -a [02:31] then modprobe ndiswrapper [02:31] mikedep334, I never disabled any free drivers, is that something I should have done? [02:32] the kernel doesn't even come with the acx driver I need [02:32] semitones: is there a free driver for your card? [02:32] then don't worry about that [02:32] I would say to run "tail -n 30 /var/log/messages" [02:32] I didn't have a /var/log/messages [02:32] so I did /var/log/dmesg instead [02:33] I saw a few things but ntohing that looked like an error [02:33] there should some commands like "ifup wlan0" or whatever [02:33] things having do to with the pcmia socket [02:33] it might not be a "wlan0" [02:33] maybe a "ndis0" [02:33] or a "eth1" [02:34] coming after your "eth0" [02:34] mikedep334, I thought you could only do that if ifconfig shows that there "is" some interface, it is just not active [02:34] semitones: I haven't done it in a while [02:34] but I think ifconfig doesn't list disabled devices [02:34] oh [02:34] try iwconfig [02:35] yeah [02:35] iwconfig lists down devices [02:35] no luck there either, just shows eth0 and lo [02:35] try: grep ndis /var/log/* [02:36] nice [02:37] holy moly there they are /var/log/syslog [02:38] "windows driver could not initialize this device" [02:39] "couldn't allocate xxxxxx bytes of un-cahched DMA memory" [02:40] semitones: what's the retail model of your card? [02:40] eg, "netgear wg311s" [02:40] it's a linksys Wpc54g, ver 2 [02:43] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Linksys_WPC54Gv2 [02:44] try the driver listed in that link [02:44] thanks [02:44] dead link, unfortunately [02:45] mikedep334, I can confirm that the windows driver I'm attempting now did work for puppy linux [02:45] semitones: worksforme [02:45] the link [02:45] oh [02:45] the driver .zip [02:45] yeah [02:46] this link sounds like it works, just ignore the popup ad [02:46] http://download.modem-help.co.uk/mfcs-L/LinkSys/WMP11/Drivers/Windows-9x/v2/v3-30-15-0/wpc54gv2-driver-utility-v2.02.zip.php [02:46] oh, this may help [02:46] http://wifi.uevora.pt/drivers/index.php?folder=bGlua3N5cy93cGM1NGc= [02:51] hi i neeed help firefox 4 dont work with youtube but chrome yes [02:51] sadie: install flash player [02:51] I can get the package name if you need it [02:52] chrome ships its own specific version of flash [02:53] sadie: if you know how to use synaptic package manager, install the package: flashplugin-installer [02:53] then restart firefox [02:53] yes. i have it [02:53] 10.3 [02:54] ok [02:54] what happens when you're on youtube? [02:54] sadie: you *may* want to take a look at http://www.youtube.com/html5 [02:54] dont see anything only black [02:54] mikedep334, this is weird [02:55] mikedep334, I uninstalled/reinstalled with the gui, got distracted for 5 minutes, and now it's trying to connect :D [02:55] semitones: cool [02:55] sadie: the whole page is black, or the video playback portion? [02:55] mikedep334, man that's for all your help, I could not have gotten through this without it [02:56] also, you can try chromium [02:56] the video [02:56] semitones: no problem [02:56] i cant play [02:56] sadie: can you right click in the black video area? [02:56] do you get the flash right-click menu? [02:57] sadie: also, did you use update-manager or update your system through some other way recently? [02:57] yes and yes [02:57] hmm [02:57] I would say try chromium [02:58] so we know whether it is an issue with the shared flash player or with firefox [02:58] sadie, what happens if you reinstall flashplugin-nonfree using terminal. Do you get any information? [02:58] i dont know [02:58] chrome is ok [03:00] sadie: I said chromium not chrome [03:00] chromium uses the shared version of flash player I believe [03:00] chrome ships its own [03:00] alredy done [03:00] but not yet [04:24] oh whoops looks like lubuntu isn't booting [04:24] I'm going to try setting it to apci=off again [04:59] semitones: it's almost midnight for me, good night [04:59] mikedep334, goodnight mike, it was great talking to you [05:31] is anyone here familiar with a problem: live cd is able to boot up with apci=off, but then once lubuntu is installed, grub fails without an error message? [05:46] semitones: No, I'm not familiar with it, but maybe you can edit the grub command line to include acpi=off and then boot that, from the hard drive installation of Lubuntu? IF that works, then editing the grub config files to always do acpi=off is straightforward. [05:47] jmarsden, that's what I was hoping would happen, but even with apci=off, boot fails silently [05:47] I just get the cursor in the top left of the screen [05:48] any ideas what could be happening? [05:49] Nothing obvious comes to mind, unfortunately. Of course, I just got home from a ~11 hour work day, so my mind is not exactly in great shape right now... I should probably just go to bed early :) [05:50] get some rest then :) [05:50] maybe tomorrow I'll catch you around [05:50] Thanks... sorry I can't help more right now :) === semitones is now known as Drunkytones [11:05] hi [13:24] jmarsden: ping [13:35] So I am getting setserial errors with every apt-get command [13:35] specifically http://paste.ubuntu.com/614157/ [13:35] what should I do? [13:38] what's setserial? :o [13:40] no idea [13:41] http://setserial.sourceforge.net/setserial-man.html [13:42] I wonder if you need that [13:51] now getting update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/etc-setserial missing LSB information [13:51] halp [13:52] sudo apt-get purge setserial [13:53] -_- [16:34] Does anyone know how to change the mouse buttons for use as a left-handed mouse? [16:35] I've installed Lubuntu 11.04 but the menu app for setting the mouse to be left-handed seems to crash as soon as I click the check box. [16:37] jvu13: I don't have lubuntu up at the moment, but I believe that should be reported as a bug [16:39] That is clearly the case. Nevertheless, there should be a way to do this without using the gui app but just modifying or creating a config file somewhere... [16:39] But where? [16:45] jvu13: let me fire up lubuntu in a virtual machine and see what files the menu changes [16:46] Thank you! That wold be very nice. [16:46] jvu13, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185186 [16:47] in my case it was xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5" [16:47] with that command i had my right and left mouse buttons swapped [16:48] jvu13: it crashes for me too [16:48] szczur: does this file require any special permissions (e.g. is it executable?)? [16:49] dunno, i just entered the command [16:49] but i don't think so [16:50] create ~/.Xmodmap file with the setting you want [16:50] and check it if it works [16:51] szczur: I just created it. Now I will sign off here, log out of lubuntu and log back in and then report back. Thanks. [16:55] szczur: I remember doing this trick with .Xmodmap when I used fluxbox. Unfortunately it didn't change anything in my current lubuntu (after logging out and then back in again. [16:55] brb [16:56] :( [16:56] but when you issue xmodmap command everything seems ok? [16:57] szczur: I'll give it a try in a terminal window... [16:58] szczur: It works!! [16:58] Now: how do I get this to run automatically when I log in to lxde? [17:00] what about putting it to /etc/X11/Xmodmap? [17:00] http://askubuntu.com/questions/7190/why-wont-my-xmodmap-file-load-on-login [17:00] or or editing /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart and adding "@xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" line [17:04] szczur: sounds good. I'll put it in the autostart file. If that fails then I'll try the X11/Xmodmap route. Thanks for your help!! [17:07] no problem [17:25] phillw, or any other dev: when lxtasks lists the memory used, they're including the buffer as well [17:25] so it says 150MB from my live CD, rather than 100MB [17:26] are you sure that's a good representation of the actual memory used? [18:02] hi [18:02] how do i take a screenshot on lubuntu? [18:04] print screen [18:04] and you will have it in your home folder [18:04] that prntscr button [18:07] oh thx [18:07] i have like 13 images in my home folder now ^^ [18:07] it uses scrot [18:08] good to know thx [18:26] question: is there a policy for what programming languages can be included in lxde or lubuntu-specific utilities? [18:26] I know C is very lightweight, but I'm much better at higher level languages [18:27] pcman seems to prefer c/c++ ;) [18:28] bioterror: ok, C++ is a better option for me [18:29] geese [18:29] update-manager is using 46.7MB itself [18:29] terminal + apt uses less [18:29] bioterror: yeah [18:30] I'm thinking in terms of the museum I volunteer for [18:30] not such a big deal, dpkg itself occupies nearly 200M of memory [18:30] the regulars there are not as skilled as I am [18:30] hyperair: my entire usage is reported as 173MB right now as it works [18:31] openbox likes RAM ;) [18:31] now that update-manager is done: it's at 117MB [18:31] and free -m shows only 89MB used before buffers [18:32] hm [18:33] i guess dpkg takes more memory on systems that have a lot of packages installed [18:35] hyperair: yeah [18:36] all I had was lubuntu-desktop's dependencies [18:37] ah [18:37] makes sense. [18:37] my installation is... from 2008. [18:38] i've changed hard disks thrice, but just rsync'd over all my files and had it continue working [18:38] hyperair: yeah [18:39] I'm curious about a way to clone an Ubuntu/Linux install over to a new system [18:39] and account for hardware differences [18:39] there isn't much to do [18:39] yeah [18:39] just rsync it all over to a new hard disk [18:39] grub-install [18:39] use UUID's in your fstab [18:39] update initramfs to reflect new UUIDs [18:39] use same FS type? [18:39] yeah [18:40] cool [18:40] if you change the FS, just change the fstab entry [18:40] right [18:40] is there a way to know the ubuntu default fstab options? [18:40] cat /etc/fstab? [18:40] I mean [18:40] when you don't have a sample [18:41] man fstab [18:41] yeah, but I mean the Ubuntu defaults [18:41] I don't think ubuntu customizes the manpage for fstab [18:42] lol [18:42] the manpage for fstab in natty [18:42] has at the end: [18:42] Linux 2.2 15 June 1999 [18:42] ubuntu defautls? [18:42] what do you mean? [18:42] the fstab looks pretty generic [18:42] well, for me it is: [18:43] errors=remount-ro 0 1 [18:43] there are some specific options for NTFS volumes too [18:43] /dev/mapper/cryptostuff-root / ext4 relatime,user_xattr,data=ordered,auto_da_alloc,errors=remount-ro 0 1 [18:43] UUID=741bea04-fac2-4634-ad45-0543b31a673f /boot ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 2 [18:43] although I've learned to give myself the permissions I need [18:43] /dev/mapper/cryptostuff-home /home ext4 relatime,user_xattr,data=ordered,auto_da_alloc,errors=remount-ro 0 2 [18:43] /dev/mapper/cryptostuff-swap none swap sw,pri=1 0 0 [18:43] none /home/schroot/union/overlay/ tmpfs defaults 0 0 [18:43] that's mine. [18:43] for the most part, you can just go with default mount options [18:43] hyperair, dont make me !paste ;) [18:43] something like.. [18:44] bioterror: it's just 5 lines! [18:44] gotcha [18:44] /dev/asdf /mount/point filesystem defaults 0 1 [18:44] errors=remount-ro could be useful for ext4 [18:45] i mean for / [18:45] hyperair: I'm familiar with the syntax for all but the last 2 things [18:45] the last two columns? [18:45] yes [18:45] the second last i don't recall [18:45] in my fstab it says "" [18:45] yeah [18:45] the last one is the order in which it's fscked [18:45] & [18:45] i.e. pass=1 gets fscked first [18:46] pass=2 gets fscked in the second pass [18:46] and so on [18:46] gotcha [18:46] so for example, if you have stuff on multiple disks, you can fsck them in parallel [18:46] cool [18:46] well, thanks for teaching me stuff [18:47] np [18:47] I need to get back to errands [18:47] cya [19:53] hello, can anyone help me with a sound issue? (Clementine won't play) [19:59] jwm123TO: what about other sounds from that pc? [20:14] how to change the audio output in lubuntu? [20:15] alsamixer [20:15] and f6 [20:15] and where to find this? [20:16] open terminal [20:16] and type: alsamixer [20:20] there must be something i do wrong ... [20:20] can't make it working [20:23] i found the alsamixer but somehow i cant change the used output device [20:28] hmmmm [20:29] justus, sudo alsaconf [20:29] if everything goes well, you can choose your desired sound card from the list [20:30] command not found [20:31] interesting [20:32] bioterror: heads up i got the same output with that command [20:32] i use lubuntu since today morning and at the first boot everything about the sound worked [20:33] but as i bppted again there is no sound [20:33] *bootet [20:33] :P [20:33] and i believe the reason is the output device [20:33] no sound [20:33] when you have that alsamixer [20:33] do you see any muted bars? [20:34] there's MM indicating muted [20:35] there is an "MM" at the "S/PDIF" bar ... but i cannot unmute it [20:36] hmmm [20:36] master and PCM are OO? [21:13] hello guys [21:13] kosaidpo: yo [21:14] i've installed ffmpeg but idk how to convert avi file to mp4 [21:14] i used this ffmpeg -i filein -s sqcif -f mp4 file-out [21:14] but its didnt work :P [21:14] oh crap i have no clue man [21:15] stlsaint: howdy [21:15] i would check help.ubuntu.com [21:15] my connection is scarily slow right now [21:15] stlsaint: okies cus me i check the fr ubuntu doc but get nethin really :P [21:19] stlsaint: is the mp4 the same as mpeg4 ?? [21:24] not sure man [21:24] stlsaint: iokay tnx in at its room i hop ican get some help [21:57] Hey all, is there a way to make Lubuntu 11.04 bootable from USB Stick using Ubuntu? [22:01] kill3: I made mine that way :) [22:02] phillw: Um, how? [22:04] system --> administration --> startup disk creator (on the older versions it was called usb disk creator) [22:34] phillw: Did not work :( [22:34] but it does not matter because I wont need it anyway [22:34] kill3: hmmm, then try unetbootin [22:35] In unetbootin there was no Lubuntu [22:35] I've never had problems making usb boot devices - the problems is that not all computers support usb booting (even tough they say they do). [22:36] !usb [22:36] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [22:36] May as well have a look [22:36] thanks Unit193, I'm just tied up in some admin work (just for a cange :P ) [22:36] *change* [22:37] kill3: Do you know if your BIOS supports it? [22:37] phillw: Sure thing! [22:38] I tried another distro earlier today [22:38] Puppy linux [22:39]