[00:29] <Rowin> Hello
[03:23] <psusi> is there a channel specifically about the wiki?  I'm trying to figure out how to embed screen shots into wiki entries properly, specifically, how to scale them to an appropriate size.
[03:26] <GTRsdk> hi
[03:27] <GTRsdk> Can someone help me put a package onto a PPA?
[03:28] <psusi> GTRsdk, have you created your ppa on launchpad?
[03:28] <GTRsdk> psusi, yes
[03:30] <GTRsdk> psusi, I am wanting to put a Firefox 5 beta 3 .deb for Lucid on it
[03:37] <psusi> GTRsdk, dput ppa:~yourname/ppaname foo_ver.changes
[03:37] <CarlFK> http://firecontrol.sourceforge.net - its like 1 .c file - can I get someone to package it?  I am figuring out how to compile it
[03:38] <GTRsdk> psusi, I only put the changes?
[03:40] <GTRsdk> psusi, I get some errors...
[03:42] <CarlFK> build-depends: libraw1394-dev
[03:48] <ScottK> GTRsdk: For non-Ubuntu packaging questions, #ubuntu-packaging is best and for PPA questions, you should ask in #launchpad.
[03:52] <psusi> GTRsdk, yes
[03:53] <CarlFK> ScottK: *non*-Ubuntu ... #ubuntu-packaging  ?
[03:53] <ScottK> CarlFK: PPA's aren't part of Ubuntu.
[03:54] <CarlFK> so why #ubuntu-packaging?
[03:54] <ScottK> Think of it as Ubuntu Style Packaging.
[03:55] <CarlFK> crazy
[03:58]  * ScottK didn't make it up.
[10:58] <lucidfox> Wow, GTK3 is fast!
[12:11] <lost_> hi
[12:17] <bdrung_> maco: around?
[12:19] <hakermania> lucidfox, how can i try it?
[13:37] <lucidfox> hakermania, by installing any GTK3 application :)
[13:37] <lucidfox> for example, in oneiric, sudo apt-get install evince (or nautilus, or brasero)
[13:38] <hakermania> lucidfoc, how can you have oneiric? The first beta release, if correct is on 2 of June
[13:40] <hakermania> lucidfox, *
[13:40] <lucidfox> the unstable development version, obviously
[13:41] <hakermania> lucidfox, yes, forgot that i was in the MOTU's channel :P
[13:41] <lucidfox> :)
[13:43] <hakermania> lucidfox, are you in oneiric now?
[13:43] <lucidfox> yes
[13:44] <hakermania> lucidfox, did you installed it manually/you're in the testing session/you're in virtualbox
[13:44] <hakermania> ?
[13:45] <lucidfox> I upgraded from natty
[14:34] <hakermania> Ubuntu is not at all helpful on my search for oneiric development unstalble release, anyone with a direct link or with a tip where to find the releases each time a new one is there?
[14:34] <hakermania> Google***
[14:34] <hakermania> Omg, I mispelled Ubuntu with Google xD
[14:38] <tumbleweed> hakermania: you can find daily & alpha CD images on cdimage.ubuntu.com. Or just debootstrap an install, use the netinst CD, or upgrade from natty
[14:40] <hakermania> tumbleweed, thx a lot
[14:43] <ScottK> hakermania: Running the development release, particularly this early, can be a bit rocky.  I would suggest that if you are uncertain how to upgrade to it, that's a good sign you might not be ready to run it (unless you're prepared for a full reinstall should things go badly).
[14:44] <stlsaint> +1
[14:44] <hakermania> ScottK: I just want to see if my apps run there stably, nothing more or less. Additionally I will try to run oneiric through virtualbox, so don't worry
[14:44] <stlsaint> hakermania: i suggest using vbox or testdrive
[14:44] <ScottK> OK.
[14:45] <ScottK> I"ve seen people get in over their heads before.
[14:47] <hakermania> I'd like to learn how to use debootstrap, but in the ubuntu's wiki about this issue says nothing about oneiric, it doesn't have a single link about oneiric in debootsrap's deb packages... :/ (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot)
[14:48] <ScottK> It hasn't changed since Gutsy.  Just substitute whatever release name is there with oneiric.
[14:49] <hakermania> ScottK, i get 404 this way
[14:49] <tumbleweed> otoh, it would be nice to see more people running the dev release for everyday work (maybe a bit later in the cycle, *I* haven't upgraded yet either) lots of people seem to avoid it until near the end[1~
[14:51] <tumbleweed> ScottK: I spectacularly missed my first release team meeting :/ (remembered about an hour before then got sidetracked) not that I had anything to say...
[14:52] <hakermania> ScottK, and here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ is says nothing about oneiric :'(
[14:52] <tumbleweed> hakermania: the pool is unified, all the debs for every supported release (and some may be shared between releases) are in the same dir
[14:53] <tumbleweed> hakermania: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap can show you what applies to what (or use rmadison) (or just apt-get it)
[14:53] <ScottK> tumbleweed: No problem.  I missed most of it too due to a power outage.
[14:54] <ScottK> tumbleweed: You can read the IRC log on irclogs.ubuntu.com to get an idea of what goes on.
[14:54] <tumbleweed> ScottK: yeah I've seen a few before (I lurk in the meeting channel)
[14:54] <ScottK> OK.
[14:55] <hakermania> So (i don't want to do anything wrong) this is the correct deb https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/debootstrap_1.0.31_all.deb ?
[14:56] <tumbleweed> hakermania: what exactly are you trying to do?
[14:57] <hakermania> tumbleweed, install the *correct* debootstrap
[14:57] <tumbleweed> you don't need to install oneiric's debootstrap to install oneiric
[14:57] <hakermania> then why there are debootstrap_hardy debootstrap_maverick etc?
[14:58] <tumbleweed> you mean ~hardy1 ? That just means someone SRUed / backported debootstrap to hardy
[14:59] <hakermania> tubleweed, Ok, then what do I download at last? apt-get isntall debootsrap outputs that it is already installed.. Is this enough?
[14:59] <hakermania> tumbleweed, *
[15:00] <tumbleweed> if you aren't familiar with debian-installer / debootstrap, you might find it a little low level, if you want to play around with the dev release, I'd suggest pbuilder-dist (for a command-line chroot) or using a daily CD for a VM install
[15:00] <hakermania> Yes, I'll try a VM install, better.
[15:03] <hakermania> I'm wondering, Oneiric is open for development, OK, what does this mean? Bug-fixing?
[15:05] <tumbleweed> hakermania: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/introduction-to-ubuntu-development.html
[15:14] <hakermania> tumbleweed, nice, I read it. How do i know which are the open bugs? I have this link that actually links you to launchpad bugs, but it is always outdated: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/debootstrap_1.0.31_all.deb
[15:14] <hakermania> Err
[15:14] <hakermania> http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/
[15:15] <tumbleweed> it shouldn't be outdated
[15:21] <hakermania> tumbleweed: With what criteria is a bug marked as easy or hard?
[15:25] <tumbleweed> I don't know about easy/hard, but bitesize bugs should be suitable for new contributors with no experience (assuming some help from people here)
[15:26] <stlsaint> am i correct in stating that alioth will no longer be used but is moved to another location
[15:28] <tumbleweed> no, alioth is alive and well, but is now two machines
[15:28] <Laney> fsvo 'well'
[15:28] <Laney> ;-)
[15:28] <stlsaint> tumbleweed: so the alioth site is up?
[15:28] <Laney> alioth.debian.org doesn't work for you?
[15:28] <tumbleweed> yeah it's still recovering from the upgrade
[15:29] <Laney> the machines themselves are much, much better
[15:29] <tumbleweed> well, one of them is the machine that used to host the whole thing (in a Xen VM, though)
[15:29] <Laney> it's better for it
[15:35] <hakermania> Pfffff... The oneiric unstable proves to be too unstable.... When I boot it I get the familiar desktop image and then a light blue, reminding me the blue screen of death... I can move the mouse but nothing more....
[15:36] <stlsaint> so alioth will regain status as primary site? (iirc thats not what the mailing lsit announcement said)
[15:37] <Laney> what do you mean?
[15:37] <Laney> #alioth on OFTC might be better for these questions
[15:40] <hakermania> Laney, not really a question, it's just a report...
[15:40] <Laney> I was talking to stlsaint
[15:41] <hakermania> oh