[00:17] <James2^2>  can i use that with some kind of hack to make a combined frontend/backend give the backend an extra few seconds to load before the frontend connects
 James2^2, just add a sleep to your startup script?
 im new to ubuntu, which script actually starts the frontend?
[02:45] <James2^2> "apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"  wants to remove libavcodec52 and libavutil50. are these required by nythbuntu for normal operation?
[02:45] <James2^2> or without it, how do i play mp3's with mythmusic?
[10:47] <gandalfcome> I have MythTV 0.24 using mythbuntu 11.04. I also use the MCE remote, whenever I press down it jumps 2 instead of one. is that a known error?
[11:41] <superm1> gandalfcome, run your apt updates
[11:41] <superm1> there is a fix in updates
[11:56] <James2> hey guys
[11:58] <James2> during setup, on graphics options, does HDMI output count as tv out?
[11:58] <qwebirc73479> I have just installed the repo on my 10.04 machine and about to move to 0.24.  When doing the upgrade is it best to do a apt-get dist-upgrade or just apt-get updgrade?  I notice just using upgrade it doesn't want to remove libmyth0.23
[11:58] <James2> qwebirc73479: dont do it imho
[11:59] <James2> well are you staying to 10.04 or wanting to upgrade the whole system to 11.04 as well?
[11:59] <James2> just changing the mythtv repo should be ok, but if you want to upgrade the distro be prepared for some fun
[12:00] <James2> i tried it a few days ago, upgrading from 10.04 with 0.23.x, did a backup first, did the upg to 0.24.x, then dist upgrade to 10.10, then to 11.04
[12:00] <qwebirc73479> just staying at 10.04
[12:00] <James2> the machine ended borked
[12:01] <James2> you should be ok then, but still do a backup first imho
[12:01] <qwebirc73479> I have some iso images I want to play but am using storage groups, so that is my motivation for going to 0.24
[12:01] <James2> if you do "apt-get dist-upgrade" you are telling it to upgrade yo to 10.10
[12:01] <James2> so do "apt-get upgrade"
[12:02] <James2> once it finishes, do it again
[12:02] <qwebirc73479> ah ok, and if I get a libmyth error remove libmyth0.23 manually?
[12:02] <James2> no
[12:02] <qwebirc73479> ok, I'll do the apt-get upgrade
[12:02] <qwebirc73479> thanks
[12:03] <James2> i noticed it didnt upgradee everything first time, it took a couple of runs to update everything
[12:04] <James2> then i did the 10.10 update which seemed to work, but 10.10 to 11.04 i will never recommend to anyone lol
[12:04] <James2> 3 days later im still configuring the system
[12:04] <qwebirc73479> I think I will be staying clear of 11.04
[12:04] <James2> 11.04 itself is cool
[12:04] <James2> having installed clean from an iso
[12:05] <James2> im just setting up my new secondary backend atm
[12:06] <James2> anyone know about the "master backend info" page of setup
[12:06] <James2> i have put in my pin, but it definiitely wont see my backend
[12:06] <James2> i assume its looking at my local subnet, not the other building subnet where the master is
[12:06] <James2> anyway i can tell it where to find it?
[12:07] <James2> (this will b in the same building once configured)
[12:09] <James2> well it continued ok :P
[12:09] <James2> just connection test moaned about "couldnt find db logins"
[12:20] <James2> ah cool, on first boot it pops up upnp failed and lets me specify the logins :)
[12:25] <qwebirc73479> James2 just to let you know apt-get upgrade didn't work
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> I needed to do an apt-get dist-upgrade because I was upgrading major package versions of mythtv
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> works flawlessly now
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> upgrade went smoothly
[12:26] <James2> ah cool
[12:26] <qwebirc73479> thanks for your help and advice on not upgrading to 11.04
[12:26] <James2> any idea why a frontend would be blank
[12:26] <James2> and not responding
[12:26] <James2> just how much data does a frontend pull from the backend on startup?
[12:27] <qwebirc73479> when I run the front end on my laptop (via wifi) it can take anywhere between 2-6 minutes
[12:27] <qwebirc73479> not sure on the amount of data it pulls
[12:29] <James2> "the front end crashed unexpectedly (exit code 137)
[12:29] <James2> and then reloads automatically
[14:17] <TandyUK> ok i have done 2 clean installs of mythbuntu in the last 3 days, rom the same disk
[14:17] <TandyUK> one is primary backend and frontent, the other is a secondary backend and frontend
[14:17] <TandyUK> they have completely different themes, and on the second theme chooser doesnt even list the one the primary is using as an option
[14:17] <TandyUK> wtf?
[14:19] <rileyp> TandyUK:  its you its not the disk
[14:19] <TandyUK> and wow mythtv is slow over a vpn link (1mb link, with 35ms ping)
[14:19] <TandyUK> well i hvent chosen a theme on either of them
[14:19] <TandyUK> so what does it do, pick one at random?>
[14:19] <rileyp> default is terra isnt it?
[14:20] <rileyp> with mythbuntu
[14:20] <TandyUK> surely id expect the same themes to be available though
[14:20] <rileyp> did you run an update on 1
[14:20] <TandyUK> they are both as up to date as can be
[14:20] <TandyUK> ive followed the same process on both
[14:21] <rileyp> sec backends are more trouble than joy in my experience
[14:21] <TandyUK> dont think i want the sec backend for tv tho lol
[14:21] <TandyUK> my primary backend is buried
[14:21] <rileyp> as teh recording are only avaible while its switched on unless you record everything on the master
[14:21] <TandyUK> the secondary frontend, is in the users lounge, and will have 2 vcr's attached to it for converting vhs tapes to digital format
[14:22] <TandyUK> it has no 'tv' tuners
[14:22] <rileyp> err  ok  vhs yuk
[14:22] <TandyUK> yeah lol
[14:22] <TandyUK> the user has several hundred old vhs movies to convert
[14:23] <rileyp>  i run a 1080 projector on a screen 3 long a vhs tape would look like a sand pit on it
[14:23] <TandyUK> then theyll get vido editing treatment on a different machine
[14:23] <rileyp> thats 3 m long
[14:23] <TandyUK> yeahwould look proper ugly on that lol
[14:24] <TandyUK> the attraction of using myth for it, is the videos are all 3 hours long,
[14:24] <TandyUK> so we can just tell myth to record from source X for 3 hours, job done
[14:25] <TandyUK> then he has fun and games editing using LiVES on another machine
[14:25] <rileyp> bettor off downloading said movie
[14:25] <TandyUK> said movie only exists on vhs
[14:25] <rileyp> unles its home movie
[14:25] <TandyUK> or id say exactly the same thing :P
[14:25] <TandyUK> and theres about 400 of them lol
[14:26] <TandyUK> i wont tell you what the content is, Zinn might ban me lol
[14:26] <Zinn> Hi TandyUK, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[14:27] <rileyp> combo vhsmachine/dvd burner and sell when finished hit play and rec and done ? remove tab from vhs tape auto eject when finshed insert next tape and dvd
[14:28] <TandyUK> no because they are up to 20 years old, and will need some remastering
[14:28] <TandyUK> so it needs a stage between the vhs and dvd parts
[14:28] <TandyUK> but that is the general idea, yeah
[14:29] <TandyUK> they may also get edited, with selected scenes from different movies being turned into a new movie
[14:30] <rileyp> so you need the best vcr player you can find and connect to  to video camera and then firewire to pc or buy a tv card with component or just svideo in
[14:30] <TandyUK> yeah
[14:30] <TandyUK> a myth tv with a pvr-500 in it
[14:30] <TandyUK> with 2 vcrs attached to speed up the process
[14:31] <TandyUK> oh and bonus, the mythtv can also play any content from the master backend in glorious 1080p on his 50" plasma screen
[14:32] <TandyUK> so stop trying to suggest worse ideas lol
[14:32] <rileyp> haha
[14:33] <TandyUK> having spent about £5000 on various things (including a vcr/dvdr combo, various windows based video input cards/usb devices/etc), and about 8 years
[14:33] <TandyUK> this IS the finall solution ;)
[14:33] <TandyUK> and umpteen pc upgrades lol
[14:33] <TandyUK> the last bit is a nice media center case to put  the 2nd backend in
[14:34] <TandyUK> its the old primary backend, which i just replaced with a i7 quad core with 6gb ram
[14:34] <TandyUK> and a 4tb raid 6 array
[14:35] <TandyUK> that should handle 4 dvb-s2 streams lol
[14:35] <TandyUK> i was testing it last night doing 11 simultaneous recordings, 4 simultaneus ad stripping and transcoding jobs
[14:35] <TandyUK> and it once peaked out at 20% cpu use lol
[14:36] <TandyUK> i *think* it should be ok for the next 10 years :P
[14:51] <rileyp> lol i has atom 1.6 be and could record 12 channels at once  I did com flagging in teh ear;y hours and nver bothred with transcoding
[14:51] <TandyUK> lol
[14:51] <TandyUK> perhaps i did overspec the new backend a touch then :P
[14:51] <rileyp> DVBt in au so mpeg2 goes straight to disk
[14:52] <TandyUK> but the 3ghz i7 and gigabyte mobo were eon special offer
[14:52] <rileyp>  nice setup I must admit
[14:53] <rileyp> overkill but at least you can do whatever you want whenever you want no problem
[14:59] <TandyUK> http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/p2318_Mystique-SaTiX-S2-V2-CI-Dual--2xDVB-S2-CI-HDTV-MPEG4-H-264.html
[14:59] <Zinn> [www.dvbshop.net] Mystique SaTiX-S2 V2 CI Dual, 2xDVB-S2 CI HDTV/MPEG4/H.264 - DVBSHOP - Technotrend,Mystique,Anysee,Digital Devices,Tevii,Shop
[14:59] <TandyUK> thats the dual dvb-s2 card, plus the master backen has a nova-t 500
[14:59] <TandyUK> the second backend has a pvr-500
[14:59] <TandyUK> the original card we used with myth, before dvb was common :
[15:00] <TandyUK> and of them ll i still thinnk the pvr-500 gives the best picture (given a decent source ofc) thanks to its hardware mpeg2 encoders
[15:14] <TandyUK> ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1684, errno = 32
[15:14] <TandyUK> my second frontend wont start, any ideas what that is?
[15:16] <TandyUK> ah X problem
[15:18] <TandyUK> BlackCurves-OSD) is missing a themeinfo.xml file  (and Gray-OSD)
[15:20] <TandyUK> ok, so why would this frontend be missing the MythBuntu theme?
[15:20] <TandyUK> its using Terra instead
[15:22] <TandyUK> 2011-05-28 15:22:30.500 RingBuf(myth://192.168.48.221:6543/1011_20110528152211.mpg) Warning: Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[15:23] <TandyUK> dammit so you mean i cant watch live tv over a 1mbps vpn, that just sucks :P
[16:03] <TandyUK^2> "apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"  wants to remove libavcodec52 and libavutil50. are these required by nythbuntu for normal operation?
[16:03] <TandyUK^2> or without it, how do i play mp3's with mythmusic?