| andres_kain | good night! a quicky: I heard that people don't ever minimize and every new aplication will open in a new workspace how | 00:00 |
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| andres_kain | I'll look into it some other day... but forums talk about devil's pie... but unity probably already can do this... something like | 00:08 |
| andres_kain | gotta go! | 00:08 |
| n1md4 | Are there any gnome3 fans here? | 01:15 |
| culinor | I like gnome in general | 01:23 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Problems Open Doors To Solutions - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/28/problems-open-doors-to-solutions/ | 01:28 |
| ali1234 | stupid open office won't let me write GPs | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | it always changes it to Gps | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | even adding it to the dictionary doesn't help | 02:11 |
| ali1234 | this sucks | 02:11 |
| hamitron | hmmm | 02:20 |
| MartijnVdS | maybe you mean GPS | 06:53 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: does it autocorrect when you type the space? | 06:53 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: those are in a separate configuration bit | 06:53 |
| ali1234 | yeah i found it eventually | 06:54 |
| ali1234 | i meant GPs as in general practitioners | 06:54 |
| MartijnVdS | also.. don't you need sleep? :) | 06:54 |
| ali1234 | always | 06:55 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:17 |
| MartijnVdS | morning | 08:31 |
| czajkowski | hmm | 09:15 |
| dutchie | argh, dpkg has got stuck again | 09:16 |
| czajkowski | morning to you too dutchie | 09:16 |
| dutchie | http://paste.ubuntu.com/614082/ | 09:17 |
| dutchie | morning czajkowski | 09:17 |
| dutchie | this happens annoyingly often | 09:17 |
| ging | clearly dpkg is like an action movie baddy | 09:21 |
| ging | won't die that easily | 09:21 |
| n1md4 | morning. what's the name of the default image viewer in ubuntu ... the one that allows you to order all your photos. | 10:03 |
| MartijnVdS | shotwell? or eye of gnome? | 10:05 |
| MartijnVdS | it used to be f-spot in older versions | 10:06 |
| n1md4 | MartijnVdS: It was shotwell I was thinking of, thanks :) | 10:09 |
| n1md4 | Not really an image viewer, more picture organizer. | 10:10 |
| czajkowski | I think I want to curl up and die with the pain today so not in the moood | 10:13 |
| ikonia | any uk chaps with sky tv awake | 10:53 |
| MartijnVdS | !ask | 10:55 |
| lubotu3 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 10:55 |
| ikonia | I'm asking if ther are any UK people with Sky TV awaky | 10:55 |
| ikonia | awake | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | Sure, but you want to ask those people something | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | (I guess) | 10:55 |
| ikonia | yes, but it's pointless asking unless there is a uk user with Sky TV awake | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | If someone with Sky TV wakes up in 5 minutes, they'll read your question and answer it | 10:56 |
| ikonia | then it will be pointless, | 10:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Why? What's the question? :) | 10:56 |
| ikonia | I need someone to test something | 10:56 |
| Laney | this one is better | 11:05 |
| Laney | !anyone | 11:05 |
| lubotu3 | A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. | 11:05 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 11:20 |
| shauno | got a funny feeling I'm gonna be kinda rude to o2 when I go to insert .. err .. return this modem on monday :/ | 11:30 |
| livingdaylight | can the unity bar be moved to the bottom, or is it stuck to the left side? | 12:21 |
| ali1234 | it's stuck to the left hand side | 12:24 |
| Oli`` | Anybody know if there's a way of keying in the dimensions (width/height/etc) of an existing shape in photoshop. I need to very precisely resize something. | 12:38 |
| jacobw | afternoon hamitron | 14:20 |
| hamitron | hi jaco | 14:21 |
| hamitron | hows things? | 14:21 |
| jacobw | good, at a lose end.. yourself? | 14:24 |
| hamitron | ok here ty | 14:29 |
| hamitron | just a bit lost in what direction to go in, with my computer systems | 14:30 |
| hamitron | :) | 14:30 |
| jacobw | its a bank holiday. and i can't think of ANYTHING to do :| | 14:40 |
| Laney | fix some bugs | 14:44 |
| * jacobw checks harvest | 14:49 | |
| hamitron | I think I may move some of my older machines to linuxfromscratch | 14:51 |
| jacobw | why? | 14:51 |
| hamitron | can't think of what else to use | 14:52 |
| hamitron | :/ | 14:52 |
| hamitron | lets me choose what I want | 14:52 |
| hamitron | as everything else is just not what I want | 14:52 |
| hamitron | other option is a ubuntu base, then some custom packages to replace ones I don't like, but give them high version numbers | 14:54 |
| hamitron | but that could get messy | 14:55 |
| hamitron | not even sure it would be that easy to work | 14:55 |
| jacobw | debian + apt-pinning ? | 15:03 |
| hamitron | debian lenny works fine tbh | 15:08 |
| hamitron | but I'm wanting something that is easier to tweak myself, after support is gone | 15:09 |
| jacobw | lenny is oldstable | 15:09 |
| hamitron | that, or something with a longer life | 15:09 |
| hamitron | yeh, it won't be supported much longer? | 15:10 |
| jacobw | ha, debian stable isn't supported long enough for you?! | 15:10 |
| jacobw | to be fair, i don't know how long its supported for. | 15:10 |
| hamitron | I read it will end about a year after 6.0 was released | 15:11 |
| hamitron | and 6.0 has the same problems as ubuntu | 15:11 |
| hamitron | so no real gains | 15:11 |
| jacobw | what problem are these? | 15:12 |
| hamitron | there is a version of Puppy Linux 5.0 that is nearer the mark, but puppy really isn't what I need | 15:12 |
| hamitron | I need/want an old version of X.org | 15:12 |
| jacobw | centos/scientific linux perhaps? | 15:12 |
| hamitron | centos is compiled for i686 | 15:13 |
| hamitron | hehe | 15:13 |
| hamitron | not sure about scientific | 15:13 |
| hamitron | will check it out | 15:13 |
| jacobw | i386 | 15:13 |
| * jacobw goes to sit in the park | 15:15 | |
| hamitron | the centos images say i386 | 15:15 |
| hamitron | but they lie | 15:15 |
| hamitron | I downloaded the whole thing, labelled i386 and then found that out | 15:15 |
| hamitron | ;) | 15:15 |
| hamitron | Centos 4.x is the last version to work on i586 | 15:16 |
| jacobw | i wonder whether redhat themselves support i386 | 15:16 |
| hamitron | no | 15:16 |
| hamitron | that is why centos doesn't | 15:16 |
| hamitron | :/ | 15:16 |
| jacobw | 4.x is really old | 15:16 |
| hamitron | yeh | 15:16 |
| hamitron | support ends very soon | 15:16 |
| hamitron | I was wanting centos 5.x | 15:16 |
| hamitron | it comes with Xorg 7.2 | 15:16 |
| penguin42 | hamitron: You could build X from source | 15:20 |
| jacobw | it sounds like debian lenny is the best option before LFS | 15:20 |
| hamitron | penguin42: I think it is either that, with ubuntu 10.04, or lfs | 15:21 |
| Laney | why would you want something old to tinker with? | 15:21 |
| Laney | that sounds bizarre | 15:21 |
| penguin42 | hamitron: Gentoo? | 15:21 |
| hamitron | I'd want something that works wtih my hardware | 15:21 |
| hamitron | gentoo is too new | 15:21 |
| hamitron | at least, from what I could figure out | 15:22 |
| penguin42 | what feature of old X does it need? | 15:22 |
| MartijnVdS | a config file! | 15:22 |
| hamitron | xserver 1.4.1 or lower | 15:22 |
| hamitron | and a config file is helpful | 15:22 |
| hamitron | :) | 15:22 |
| hamitron | I can make the config file on another system if needs must | 15:23 |
| penguin42 | hamitron: What hardware needs that though? | 15:23 |
| hamitron | the nvidia 71 driver | 15:23 |
| hamitron | so geforce 2 and earlier | 15:24 |
| dreamcoder | ok so bene using ubuntu for years tried arch other week i do like it, but now i have fedora on my laptop and dont know what i want to keep on it | 15:24 |
| dreamcoder | grrr | 15:24 |
| hamitron | I can run with the open source drivers, but pointless running newer software just to lose features | 15:25 |
| dreamcoder | dont know wether to go back to windows 7 for battery life | 15:25 |
| hamitron | dreamcoder: it is healthy to use lots! ;) | 15:25 |
| dreamcoder | i hate distro hopping though lol | 15:26 |
| jacobw | stick with ubuntu/debian | 15:26 |
| dreamcoder | i am starting my degree in oct so I thought windows would be better for that with office, but libre office seems pretty stable | 15:26 |
| jacobw | if ubuntu doesn't do what you want, you be that debian will. | 15:26 |
| dreamcoder | what is battery life like in the new ubuntu? | 15:27 |
| jacobw | what is you're degree in/ | 15:27 |
| dreamcoder | Computing & I.T | 15:27 |
| jacobw | ya, stick with ubuntu/debian ;) | 15:27 |
| jacobw | dreamcoder, are you by any chance doing it with the open university/ | 15:27 |
| dreamcoder | ya | 15:28 |
| penguin42 | hamitron: Well you could try adding stuff to the open driver? | 15:28 |
| hamitron | it is beyond me | 15:28 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 15:28 |
| dreamcoder | yeah I am thought would give me something extra on my c.v | 15:28 |
| * jacobw started Computing & IT with the OU in February | 15:28 | |
| dreamcoder | oh right | 15:28 |
| hamitron | all I want is 3d | 15:28 |
| dreamcoder | how are you finding it? | 15:28 |
| jacobw | 3 parts boring 1 part easy.. | 15:29 |
| hamitron | penguin42: you think an old version of Xorg would be easy to integrate? | 15:29 |
| dreamcoder | reallly | 15:29 |
| jacobw | but then the introductory modules were always going to be boring | 15:29 |
| dreamcoder | yeah i imagine digital life will be boring | 15:29 |
| penguin42 | hamitron: There will be loads of things that have dependencies on newer versions but I bet most of them work (except GL drivers) care | 15:30 |
| dreamcoder | and I have chosen microsoft server tech for othe rmodule | 15:30 |
| dreamcoder | other* | 15:30 |
| jacobw | yeah, i'm doing the last presentations of M150/T175 | 15:30 |
| jacobw | why? | 15:30 |
| jacobw | microsoft server tech is really boring :| | 15:30 |
| dreamcoder | I know but I really cantb bothered with maths | 15:30 |
| dreamcoder | lol | 15:30 |
| dreamcoder | did that at college thought server may be a bit more interesting | 15:30 |
| hamitron | penguin42: dunno if to make custom package versions to replace what is there, or to not install xorg, then compile into /usr/local or something | 15:31 |
| jacobw | i'm considering doing maths as a second subject with the computing & it or just plain switching to maths. | 15:31 |
| penguin42 | hamitron: Yeh well a compilation into /somewhere/safe shouldn't break stuff | 15:31 |
| hamitron | ideally, I'd want the package manager to still work | 15:31 |
| hamitron | and to be able to install GUI apps from apt-get | 15:32 |
| hamitron | but run it all on Xorg 7.3 | 15:32 |
| dreamcoder | so does ubuntu do what you need it too for the course? | 15:32 |
| jacobw | yeah, all i need to do is the open the PDF format assignments, write the assignment libre office, save it as a microsoft word 2003 document (i'm not sure that's even necessary now with word 2007/2010 supporting ODF) and submit it through their web interface. | 15:35 |
| jacobw | i use tomboy notes to collect my thoughts on the assignment and dump my responses to a text file with vim.. | 15:35 |
| dreamcoder | yeah have you tried submitting as odf? would it be allowed | 15:36 |
| jacobw | as long as they can open it they don't care. | 15:36 |
| dreamcoder | oh right | 15:36 |
| jacobw | some tutors are more technically able then others | 15:37 |
| hamitron | penguin42: you've talked me around | 15:37 |
| hamitron | as I really want to stick with ubuntu if I can | 15:37 |
| hamitron | :) | 15:37 |
| dreamcoder | so any linux distro would be fine the course then | 15:37 |
| jacobw | yeah | 15:37 |
| dreamcoder | I dont like the new unity rubbish, but i do like gnome 3 so I dont think ubuntu is the way unless I want to revert back to gnome 2 or install gnome 3 on ubuntu which I have heard can break a system | 15:38 |
| dreamcoder | arch is nice though and fast, fedora takes an age to boot | 15:38 |
| jacobw | fedora 15? | 15:38 |
| dreamcoder | yeah | 15:38 |
| dreamcoder | thats what i am using atm | 15:39 |
| dreamcoder | installed it yesterday | 15:39 |
| jacobw | so much for their fast booting system :) | 15:39 |
| dreamcoder | I know.. suppose to be alot faster with the new symlinkv? is it cant remember, arch is quick booing so is ubuntu but fedora is quite slow in comparison | 15:40 |
| dreamcoder | fedora is quick once booted tho! | 15:40 |
| dreamcoder | finding yum very slow compared to pacman too | 15:40 |
| jacobw | yum is painful | 15:40 |
| dreamcoder | another thing when I had ubuntu on my laptop prevously my battery was dead in a month or so ubuntu killed it lol well the kernel did so i am unsure as i have just ordered a new bttery and dont ant that to die | 15:41 |
| dreamcoder | want* | 15:42 |
| dreamcoder | thats the only thing tempting me to windows 7 | 15:42 |
| jacobw | you don't know that ubuntu killed the battery ;) | 15:42 |
| dreamcoder | it is a bug in the kernel apparently there is a similar bug currently | 15:43 |
| hamitron | dreamcoder: you could use ubuntu lts | 15:43 |
| hamitron | gnome 2 goodness | 15:43 |
| hamitron | :) | 15:43 |
| hamitron | for another 22 months | 15:43 |
| dreamcoder | yeah! i am usisng 11.04 with classic desktop on my main pc atm | 15:43 |
| dreamcoder | think ubuntu chosethe wrong route with unity tbh | 15:44 |
| hamitron | I'm keeping an open mind | 15:44 |
| * jacobw prefers unity to gnome shell | 15:44 | |
| dreamcoder | really | 15:44 |
| dreamcoder | I tried both, but gnome 3 is preferable to me | 15:44 |
| jacobw | unity gives applications more space | 15:44 |
| acperkins | I love GNOME Shell but everything was so chunky on my netbook | 15:45 |
| jacobw | exactly | 15:45 |
| jacobw | they've gone feature hiding again | 15:45 |
| dreamcoder | gnome 3 is perfect on my laptop its 16" screen | 15:45 |
| dreamcoder | i dont like the big title bars tho that is a waste of space | 15:46 |
| * hamitron likes LXDE | 15:46 | |
| hamitron | ;) | 15:46 |
| jacobw | people don't care about graphical environments, people care about applications | 15:46 |
| acperkins | I also had some issues in Fedora 15 where programs would refuse to maximise | 15:47 |
| jacobw | so in my view the more the graphic environment stays out of the way of the applications the better | 15:47 |
| dreamcoder | i have'nt tried lxde | 15:47 |
| acperkins | but I don't know if that was a Fedora or a GNOME3 issue | 15:47 |
| dreamcoder | i am currrently using fedora 15 and have no problems with maximsing etc | 15:47 |
| dreamcoder | good point jacobw | 15:48 |
| dreamcoder | need to find a replacment dvd drive for my 6920g | 15:49 |
| jacobw | 6920g? | 15:49 |
| hamitron | lxde is very light, and is functional enough for me.... kinda like windows 95 | 15:49 |
| jacobw | about battery life, newer kernels (including the version in 11.04 IIRC) have improved power management | 15:50 |
| dreamcoder | yeah acer, it has a bluray drive that hasnt worked since i have had the laptop lol | 15:51 |
| dreamcoder | so looking for a normal dvdrw for it | 15:51 |
| jacobw | i'd recommend ubuntu over fedora | 15:58 |
| jacobw | for these reasons.. | 15:59 |
| jacobw | apt/dpkg, launchpad/PPAs, better support for proprietary audio/video formats, longer life cycles and LTS releases.. and last but not least; the community :) | 16:01 |
| jacobw | argh :| | 16:02 |
| * jacobw really is going to the park now. | 16:02 | |
| kvarley | is there a prebuilt version of gtkmm3.0 available for Ubuntu? | 16:05 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: maybe in the gnome3 ppa? | 16:06 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Yes, thank you :) was looking for a gtkmm ppa, doh. It's on the gnome3 ppa tho :) | 16:06 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ | 16:07 |
| oimon | hamitron: just caught up on what u were saying about an hour ago | 16:11 |
| oimon | scientific linux might be up your street..i use it at work all the time. | 16:12 |
| oimon | they do 64 bit too | 16:12 |
| oimon | it's really nice for rolling out systems with kickstart | 16:13 |
| oimon | plus it is supported for another million years | 16:13 |
| hamitron | oimon: does it use the same compile options as redhat and centos? | 16:14 |
| oimon | hmm i dunno - i think SL is closer to RH than centos is | 16:15 |
| oimon | but u can easily rebuild srpms | 16:15 |
| oimon | what's the issue with compile options? | 16:15 |
| hamitron | both RH and CentOS are i686 | 16:15 |
| hamitron | :/ | 16:15 |
| oimon | u want optimisation for a partilclar processor? | 16:16 |
| hamitron | i586 | 16:16 |
| hamitron | tbh | 16:16 |
| hamitron | i386 or anything that runs | 16:16 |
| hamitron | ;) | 16:16 |
| hamitron | to get CentOS working, I was going to have to recompile the kernel and some of the libs | 16:16 |
| hamitron | I should maybe customise Wary Puppy | 16:17 |
| oimon | which processor are you trying to run on? | 16:17 |
| hamitron | i586 | 16:17 |
| oimon | what's the actual processor? | 16:17 |
| hamitron | they range from pentium 1 to Core i3 | 16:18 |
| hamitron | erm | 16:18 |
| hamitron | intel, amd and via cpu | 16:18 |
| hamitron | but most don't do i686 instructions | 16:18 |
| oimon | we run SL on some pretty old machines | 16:19 |
| oimon | SL5 runs just fine on a P4 | 16:19 |
| hamitron | P4 is i686 | 16:19 |
| hamitron | so is P3 | 16:19 |
| Azelphur | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/05/28/0347235/HTC-Is-Paying-Microsoft-5-For-Every-Android-Phone | 16:20 |
| Azelphur | :/ | 16:20 |
| hamitron | it is cpu like the AMD K6-2 | 16:20 |
| hamitron | and the VIA C3 | 16:20 |
| hamitron | that are the main ones I need i586 | 16:20 |
| oimon | how old/slow are these machines | 16:20 |
| hamitron | 120mhz to 850mhz | 16:21 |
| penguin42 | hamitron: Do the K6-2's have cmov ? | 16:21 |
| hamitron | the 850mhz are not that old tbh | 16:21 |
| penguin42 | oh, yeh if it's 850 it'll be relatively recent | 16:21 |
| hamitron | the AMD Geode are only i586 too i believe, but I don't have one of them | 16:22 |
| hamitron | and h6-2 does not have cmov | 16:22 |
| hamitron | k6-2* | 16:22 |
| hamitron | nor does the VIA C3 | 16:22 |
| oimon | i can give u a newer machine if u need it :D | 16:23 |
| hamitron | but I know they run fine, if compiled for i586 cpu or lower | 16:23 |
| hamitron | oimon: ty, but I have 14 machines here needing love | 16:23 |
| hamitron | :) | 16:23 |
| hamitron | I should maybe not bother caring | 16:26 |
| hamitron | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1316240408.png | 16:27 |
| hamitron | haha | 16:27 |
| oimon | oof | 16:27 |
| oimon | should say "slower than treacle" | 16:28 |
| hamitron | that is worst I've had it tbh | 16:28 |
| hamitron | haha | 16:28 |
| oimon | on 2g mobile or something? | 16:28 |
| hamitron | ADSL | 16:28 |
| hamitron | ADSL Max I mean | 16:28 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 16:28 |
| hamitron | I must say, it was faster without the Max bit | 16:29 |
| oimon | as already mentioned, debian tends to be the one with the best architecture support | 16:29 |
| oimon | i run debian on my linksys nlsu2 | 16:29 |
| hamitron | yeh, debian works well tbh | 16:29 |
| hamitron | but ubuntu works just as well | 16:30 |
| hamitron | I mean, compiling for i686 over i586 doesn't really give that much of a performance increase | 16:30 |
| hamitron | there was talk of changing to i686 | 16:31 |
| hamitron | but not sure what is happening | 16:31 |
| hamitron | i should maybe just learn a different distro, that is targeted more to what I need | 16:32 |
| hamitron | but ubuntu is where its at imo | 16:33 |
| hamitron | :) | 16:33 |
| hamitron | definately the place to be | 16:33 |
| oimon | so long as i can run a decent DE | 16:34 |
| oimon | and ubunt has sufficient users that all tastes can be catered for :D | 16:35 |
| oimon | although there's a lot to bne said for using the default DE... | 16:36 |
| hamitron | I choose default normally | 16:36 |
| hamitron | i use LXDE on some machines, for performance reasons | 16:37 |
| hamitron | but the rest I just leave everything default | 16:37 |
| kvarley | How do I add my button to the window? http://paste.ubuntu.com/614214/ | 16:37 |
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| kvarley | Installing gtkmm3.0 has made ambiance stop working | 17:16 |
| === bladedemon is now known as GeorgeTI | ||
| ball | hello kazade | 17:56 |
| livingdaylight | is there a preference dialog somewhere for the unity bar? I'd like to change the time it takes for the bar to hide and re-appear for eg, or even whether to set autohide to "on" or "off" | 18:23 |
| MartijnVdS | that's not configurable (yet?) | 18:25 |
| livingdaylight | no? is nothing configurable on unity bar? | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | the fact that it authides (and how) is configurable | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | but the time it takes isn't | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | but I guess they take patches | 18:26 |
| livingdaylight | where? | 18:27 |
| livingdaylight | or how? | 18:28 |
| MartijnVdS | ask gord | 18:34 |
| penguin42 | my DSL is feeling very non-interactive today even though ping times to my machines seem to be consistently low | 18:38 |
| penguin42 | ssh to my mail machine being laggy and beeb radio listen again dropping in and out | 18:38 |
| MartijnVdS | sounds like a large background upload? | 18:39 |
| penguin42 | no tthat I can see and the router lights aren't a blinkin | 18:39 |
| MartijnVdS | have you tried resetting the router? | 18:40 |
| MartijnVdS | (powercycle) | 18:40 |
| penguin42 | nah, not yet - but given ping times to my machines are Ok and no drops to them I doubt the DSL connection itself is bad | 18:41 |
| MartijnVdS | sometimes the os in your router will do that | 18:43 |
| MartijnVdS | It happens | 18:43 |
| penguin42 | hmm it shouldn't - it's Linux | 18:43 |
| MartijnVdS | doctor time :) | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | who? | 18:48 |
| MartijnVdS | yes, him | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | evening all | 19:07 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 19:07 |
| * AlanBell is in a bar in France | 19:07 | |
| AlanBell | with a rather cloudy local beer | 19:07 |
| AlanBell | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1316457270.png | 19:11 |
| AlanBell | and unexciting broadband | 19:11 |
| gord | AlanBell, i think thats about the uk average broadband, should be just like home ;) | 19:48 |
| * MartijnVdS reflects on the fact that the "archaeological theme park" (i.e. medieval houses, bronze age huts, etc.) here got fibre before me | 19:49 | |
| gord | there is fibre in my area, i just can't seem to find a good ISP for it | 19:53 |
| MartijnVdS | My project at work is writing (part of) the code that makes us (ISP) able to use fibre :) | 19:55 |
| MartijnVdS | I think the projects will be finished around the same time (my work and the fibre-laying) | 19:55 |
| gord | is your job (ISP) a company (place of business) called be? | 19:56 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: xs4all | 19:56 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: in Amsterdam | 19:57 |
| gord | :( | 19:57 |
| AlanBell | it is a bit slower than home, but I only get 4Mbit | 19:59 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: pics of the park though: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks | 20:00 |
| penguin42 | ah yeh, they've hosted some useful sites for many years | 20:00 |
| penguin42 | gord: FTTC I assume? | 20:00 |
| * MartijnVdS will get ftth \o/ | 20:01 | |
| gord | penguin42, yup, to the home would be nice but not bothered | 20:02 |
| penguin42 | gord: I think A&A do FTTC but they aren't cheap but they are well respected | 20:02 |
| gord | never heard of htem | 20:03 |
| penguin42 | gord: aaisp.net.uk | 20:03 |
| shauno | I've heard good things about them too | 20:03 |
| gord | just took a look, looks like they limit you to X-gb during the day, which is bad | 20:04 |
| AlanBell | this bar is getting rather full of people here watching some football game | 20:04 |
| penguin42 | gord: I think they let you pay for as much as you like - but as I say they aren't cheap | 20:05 |
| * AlanBell posts slightly controversial blog post | 20:05 | |
| * MartijnVdS reads | 20:05 | |
| shauno | I'm so lazy, that I'll wait until the bot gives me the url :) | 20:06 |
| gord | http://aaisp.net.uk/kb-broadband-bebt.html confuses me about their relationship with be | 20:06 |
| gord | why would they host that article? | 20:06 |
| penguin42 | gord: Because they let you choose - they're intended for the technical people who actually care about how their DSL works | 20:07 |
| penguin42 | (and that it does) | 20:07 |
| gord | you have lost me, i already have be internet | 20:08 |
| penguin42 | gord: ok so most ISPs don't have equipment in exchanges, but they use someone elses - e.g. BTs or BEs | 20:08 |
| gord | oh christ they mean sky right? | 20:09 |
| penguin42 | gord: That then routes to the ISPs equipment that then actually does IP routing and billing and peering onto whatever bandwidth they are going to pay for | 20:09 |
| AlanBell | talktalk have equipment I think | 20:09 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Yeh there are a few | 20:09 |
| gord | not be the isp | 20:09 |
| penguin42 | gord: I'm not sure of the relationship between Be and Sky; It all got a bit complex with Sky buying bits of different people | 20:11 |
| gord | what i'm saying, is that its not referring to the isp be | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | gord: a&a have their own irc channel so you can go and ask them | 20:11 |
| penguin42 | gord: Yes it is | 20:11 |
| gord | which run on bt stuff | 20:11 |
| penguin42 | gord: Be/O2 have their own equipment in many exchanges | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | gord: See http://www.samknows.com/broadband/llu | 20:12 |
| gord | it doesn't matter, aa are too ridged - you can't get much bandwidth during the day without paying £300 | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | yeh I said they weren't cheap - they will work though | 20:13 |
| gord | they aren't cheep because they are rediculous ;) | 20:13 |
| penguin42 | gord: They have the reputation as the only ISP who can get BT to unscrew a line | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | a&a are funny | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | it's the same guy who redirected all the unused phone numbers to a time wasting message to annoy telemarketers | 20:15 |
| penguin42 | ah that's right; Sky bought the Easynet network, not the Be one | 20:15 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: so it's Skynet now? | 20:20 |
| * penguin42 gulps | 20:20 | |
| shauno | oh oh oh .. I just remembered it's saturday .. | 20:20 |
| JonTheNiceGuy | Anyone know much about xen? | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | the isp? | 20:21 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: That's Zen | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | oh, the virtualization? | 20:22 |
| AlanBell | the virtualisation thing? | 20:22 |
| JonTheNiceGuy | Yehr | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | then, no | 20:22 |
| JonTheNiceGuy | I'm trying to figure out whether xm destroy <subdomain> actually does anything other than "pull the virtual power lead" | 20:23 |
| JonTheNiceGuy | Maybe I'll ask in #xen :) | 20:23 |
| jacobw | most OLOs have their own equipment in exchanges | 20:28 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Alan Bell] Ubuntu UK LoCo CDs - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/28/ubuntu-uk-loco-cds/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-uk-loco-cds | 20:28 |
| shauno | I can't see why that'd be controversial. it was only k* :) | 20:30 |
| AlanBell | well yeah, that was my feeling too :) | 20:31 |
| Azelphur | popey: you run totally vanilla on your mc server? | 21:22 |
| dutchie | Azelphur: yes, he does iirc | 21:24 |
| Azelphur | fun :p | 21:24 |
| popey | yes | 21:29 |
| popey | Dear Steam. Download faster. | 21:29 |
| gord | popey, you can change your location in the settings to get put on a different server, best thing to do is pick somewhere in eastern europe | 21:30 |
| popey | ooo | 21:31 |
| gord | i normally have to do that when say, valve release free DLC for left4dead or something | 21:31 |
| bigcalm | Good evening peeps :) | 21:35 |
| jacobw | MOO | 21:38 |
| * jacobw hopes to panic bigcalm | 21:38 | |
| bigcalm | o.O | 21:39 |
| popey | evening bigcalm | 21:40 |
| bigcalm | Hey popey | 21:41 |
| popey | fancy some minecrafting? ☺ | 21:41 |
| bigcalm | I am envious of you for still having a Wimpy | 21:41 |
| bigcalm | Sure :) | 21:41 |
| popey | i didnt have one | 21:41 |
| popey | sam did | 21:41 |
| popey | i just had a coffee | 21:41 |
| bigcalm | Indeed, but you have the 'choice' :P | 21:42 |
| popey | heh | 21:42 |
| popey | pizza hut was horribly scuzzy | 21:42 |
| bigcalm | Oh dear :( | 21:42 |
| bigcalm | They are quite good around here | 21:42 |
| popey | also the guy in wimpy gave sam a toy | 21:42 |
| popey | yeah, usually fine | 21:42 |
| bigcalm | \o. | 21:42 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 21:42 |
| popey | busy saturday | 21:42 |
| bigcalm | Aha | 21:42 |
| popey | its a spinning top with LEDs inside | 21:42 |
| popey | its _awesome_ | 21:42 |
| emorris | hi, I've noticed a couple of times that the Update Manager just hangs with "waiting" and no progress. Is there anything I can do to get some useful information to report a bug? | 21:44 |
| penguin42 | emorris: Gnome or KDE? | 21:45 |
| emorris | Pendulum, Gnome | 21:45 |
| penguin42 | hmm not seen the Gnome one do that | 21:46 |
| emorris | Pendulum, sorry | 21:46 |
| jacobw | i guess that it cannot `apt-get update` | 21:46 |
| penguin42 | it's worth trying it from the command line with apt-get and see if it works | 21:47 |
| emorris | Finally something happened. I got "There isn't any need for an installation" "Package [dbus.String(u'adobe-flash-properties-gtk')] is already installed", but I did have updates available | 21:47 |
| emorris | oh, now there's no updates :-s | 21:48 |
| jacobw | hmm, i think this a bug. | 21:52 |
| jacobw | you shouldn't be seeing dbus.String(..) | 21:52 |
| jacobw | !bugs | 21:53 |
| lubotu3 | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 21:53 |
| jacobw | i think the gtk program is upsetting dpkg and getting strings back from gtk that doesn't expect | 21:54 |
| jacobw | sorry, apt not dpkg | 21:54 |
| jacobw | .. | 21:55 |
| jacobw | also 'from apt' not 'from gtk' | 21:55 |
| jacobw | o/ Bassetts | 22:43 |
| shauno | toffee dodgers advert is possibly one of the best things I've seen on TV this year | 22:50 |
| gord | geez, windows is really really bad at two finger scroll | 22:53 |
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