[00:39] <xubuntu657> ...
[00:51] <Soupermanito> ...?
[02:37] <brad_> Hello.
[04:17] <xrdodrx> it seems that xubuntu doesn't come with a font viewer by default? All the ones I've installed are full-blown font managers
[04:17] <xrdodrx> I just want a program that shows me a sample of the font when I double-click it. There's one in ubuntu, anyone know the package name? :)
[04:24] <Soupermanito> if you make the icons bigger you can see the sample on the file icon
[04:29] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, that's not really a fix and looks bad on my netbook :)
[04:29] <Soupermanito> mmm
[04:29] <Soupermanito> lemme do some research
[04:37] <Soupermanito> xrdodrx, if you only want to see the font you have already installed you can download this http://code.google.com/p/gfont-viewer/
[04:38] <Soupermanito> it works, not to add new fonts and stuff unles you gksu it
[04:38] <Soupermanito> still searching for one that provides live sampling
[04:38] <xrdodrx> I just want to be able to open a font and see a preview
[04:38] <xrdodrx> it's in ubuntu, I know it
[04:39] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, ex http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MfwRx_4ERx8/S-cYVWgbQII/AAAAAAAABwM/1qoUUpRBErM/s400/install-fonts-in-Ubuntu.jpg
[04:40] <Soupermanito> yes, i know what you want, its just that i havent found it yet :P thats why i gave you the thing i did found
[04:41] <xrdodrx> oh, sorry, i thought you misunderstood xD
[05:17] <sweBers> morning
[05:19] <Soupermanito> night
[05:19] <sweBers> depends on when you are
[05:20] <sweBers> I'm doing my first xubuntu install in the hopes that it doesn't break my display like ubuntu 10.04 did
[05:20] <Soupermanito> :)
[05:20] <sweBers> err, 11.04
[05:20] <Soupermanito> hope you are lucky
[05:21]  * Soupermanito : Xubuntu free of unity since ever!
[05:22] <sweBers> yeah, I think it was the unity UI that broke it.
[05:26] <sweBers> or at least the changes to the x server for unity
[05:32] <Soupermanito> xrdodrx, soooo the gnome thing
[05:33] <Soupermanito> is called gnome-font-viewer, and is part of the gnome-control-center
[08:09] <Ycarene> How smoothy does the upgrade feature work?
[08:31] <elros> you're talking about the distro upgrade?
[08:33] <Unit193> http://launchpad.net/bugs/673489 Seems to be the only bug report on it (10.10 > 11.04)
[08:34] <elros> remove custom packages from PPAs to avoid unnecessary conflict with dependencies
[08:34] <elros> that's for every major upgrade
[12:58] <xubuntu217> hello, i am just installing xubuntu. really excited. nice job guys!
[13:00] <xubuntu217> i noticed that there is no multiple monitors setup in Settings Manager, i fixed it now with running xrandr by hand. is fixing xorg.conf my only option on setting permanent configuration for dual monitors?
[13:03] <xubuntu217> off to reboot into installed xubuntu. yeaaa
[13:19] <jozefk> o/
[13:21] <jozefk> https://pzt.me/46l0 how to fix this?
[13:21] <bazhang> jozefk, how about some synopsis
[13:22] <jozefk> synopsis?
[13:22] <bazhang> a brief description of your issue.
[13:25] <jozefk> ok. this is xubuntu 11.04 x64, and this happened after I enables source code in repositories settings. the server I'm using is in France. after hitting the Reload I got this famous error message
[13:28] <jozefk> if I disable back the source code - no error
[13:29] <bazhang> why would you need the src
[13:30] <jozefk> those error message in synaptic are driving me crazy for long time and already couple of times pushed me aways from ubuntu and ubuntu based distros. I want to make bootable USB flash drive xubuntu for installing it on netbook and in instructions it is mentioned that it is advisable to have source code enabled
[13:31] <bazhang> not really
[13:32] <jozefk> what are they there for by the way?
[13:32] <jozefk> the source code in repository? what is it for?
[13:32] <bazhang> some 3rd party tutorial?
[13:32] <jozefk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[13:32] <bazhang> if you want to build from source
[13:33] <jozefk> Make sure the software-sources are activated if you are on a LiveCD (software sources or sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list). You may need to install the python-gnome2 package as well.
[13:33] <bazhang> never needed to use it. you used unetbootin?
[13:33] <jozefk> python-gnome2 is installed by default
[13:33] <bazhang> !info unetbootin
[13:33] <jozefk> not yet unetbootin. will try first usb-creator
[13:34] <bazhang> I'd skip that and go straight for unetbootin
[13:34] <jozefk> usb-creator is installed by default as well
[13:34] <bazhang> so is empathy for irc
[13:34] <jozefk> empathy for IRC?
[13:35] <bazhang> default hardly means the best tool
[13:35] <bazhang> its terrible for IRC
[13:35] <jozefk> I don't even know empathy is working for IRC
[13:35] <bazhang> yet it is default
[13:35] <jozefk> well you mentioned :))
[13:35] <jozefk> I use xchat
[13:35] <bazhang> same
[13:35] <jozefk> it's the no.1 :)
[13:36] <bazhang> the sane ones are NOT default for some reason
[13:36] <bazhang> like usb-creator-gtk over unetbootin
[13:36] <jozefk> then how the default apps are becoming default? what is the criterium?
[13:37] <jozefk> they*
[13:37] <bazhang> lord only knows
[13:37] <bazhang> give usb-creator a shot, then if it does not do it, try unetbootin
[13:38] <bazhang> sometimes it takes more than one try, or it seems like it has stopped at 5%, but its worth the wait
[13:38] <bazhang> it'll go from 5% finished to 65% finished right when you are starting to look at the clock
[13:39] <jozefk> ok I'll try
[13:39] <bazhang> good luck :)
[13:41] <jozefk> I just start it and after few seconds it's already 50%
[13:41] <jozefk> :))
[13:42] <xrdodrx> I'm still having my same font-viewer pdoblem as last night...what I want to do is doule  click a font _I have not installed_ and see a preview of it. every font manager I can find is overly complex and only displays installed fonts
[13:42] <bazhang> !info font-manager
[13:43] <xrdodrx> I was recommeded the package "gnome-control-center", but it has absurd dependencies, like gwibber
[13:43] <bazhang> gnome, but still installable by xubuntu
[13:43] <xrdodrx> bazhang, I tried that, it doesn't do it
[13:43] <xrdodrx> It shows installed fonts
[13:43] <jozefk> does font matrix works for GTK?
[13:43] <bazhang> do what
[13:44] <bazhang> apt-cache search font
[13:44] <xrdodrx> I want this: http://geekyprojects.com/wp-admin/images/05-01-11-install-fonts-ubuntu/install-fonts-ubuntu-02.gif
[13:44] <xrdodrx> no more than that lol
[13:44] <xrdodrx> it's in the default ubuntu distro
[13:45] <xrdodrx> I'd go so far as to install kde's font installer, but I can't find the package name
[13:45] <xrdodrx> I think this is a bbug in xubuntu
[13:46] <bazhang> what does apt-cache search font turn up in that regard
[13:46] <jozefk> finish :D
[13:46] <jozefk> let's see where is that netbook :)))
[13:48] <xrdodrx> bazhang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/614167/
[13:49] <bazhang> xrdodrx, no need to paste that, I can d o it in terminal here
[13:49] <xrdodrx> sorry :(
[13:50] <jozefk> of course it does not work :D
[13:51] <bazhang> info tkfont
[13:51] <bazhang> whoops
[13:52] <jozefk> how simple is PXE install?
[13:52] <bazhang> depends
[13:53] <bazhang> I'd give the usb-creator another shot, then try unetbootin
[13:54] <jozefk> I will try first to see if it is bootable that usb flash. because I got the message: Operating system is missing :)
[13:54] <xrdodrx> I had so many problem with USB I invested in an external optical drive
[13:54] <jozefk> I have external optical drive :)
[13:54] <jozefk> but usb is faster
[13:54] <xrdodrx> it's great, and now I can watch my netflix disks on my netbook :D
[13:54] <jozefk> and usually it works
[13:55] <xrdodrx> bazhang, tkfont?
[13:55] <bazhang> xrdodrx, could be
[13:56] <jozefk> PXE seems kind of complicated
[13:56] <jozefk> or I'm lazy to read now. maybe both :)
[13:58] <jozefk> I'll try to format that flash drive and do another usb-creator
[13:58] <xrdodrx> DESCRIPTION
[13:58] <xrdodrx>        tkfont allows you to view the various fonts in X11. It displays a list of fonts, you can then pick which one to display. Useful to find a nice font to use.
[13:58] <xrdodrx> bazhang, no, that's not it at all x(
[13:59] <xrdodrx> I wish ubuntu's font viewer was installable
[13:59] <xrdodrx> :)
[14:02] <xrdodrx> :D!
[14:02] <xrdodrx> I figured it out
[14:02] <xrdodrx> you can install the "imagemagick" package
[14:03] <xrdodrx> then from terminal "display example.ttf"
[14:03] <xrdodrx> Now if I could just integrate this into thunar
[14:05] <jozefk> oh boy you are right XFCE doesn't shows fonts :D
[14:05] <xrdodrx> lol it's silly really
[14:05] <jozefk> it is shitty really :D
[14:06] <jozefk> did you try fontmatrix?
[14:06] <xrdodrx> way too much, jozefk
[14:07] <xrdodrx> I use it often
[14:07] <jozefk> too much?
[14:07] <jozefk> then what's wrong?
[14:07] <xrdodrx> but just to display a sample of a font
[14:07] <jozefk> yeah you are right :)
[14:07] <jozefk> maybe opcion
[14:07] <jozefk> it's kind of java app
[14:08] <jozefk> I don't know. in KDE you can see the fonts with font manager or somthing like that. don't know what it is called but it is in seetings
[14:08] <jozefk> and it shows the fonts very nicely
[14:08] <xrdodrx> here's display from imagemagick: http://i.imgur.com/vGuy0.png
[14:09] <xrdodrx> I just need to get thunar to work with it
[14:09] <jozefk> so imagemagick works
[14:09] <xrdodrx> and maybe change the default text
[14:09] <xrdodrx> correct, very nicely :)
[14:09] <jozefk> thunar? I don't know how to do that. I didn't even know fonts can't be seen in xfce by default
[14:12] <jozefk> 2nd try with usb-creator failed
[14:13] <jozefk> now unetbootin :)
[14:22] <jozefk> yes unetbootin stacked at 5% as you said it will
[14:26] <jozefk> same message. not working
[14:27] <jozefk> I'll just go for external dvd rom really
[14:27] <jozefk> it will save my time I'm sure
[19:48] <sss314> Sometimes an empty window name "Debconf on <computer name>" appears for a second and desappear
[19:53] <Soupermanito> thats weird
[19:53] <xrdodrx> sss314, same
[19:54] <xrdodrx> happens when installing stuff from software center, right?
[19:54] <xrdodrx> happens to me all the time when installing software, only in software center lol
[19:55] <sss314> xrdodrx, yes, when using the software center
[19:55] <xrdodrx> also Soupermanito
[19:56] <xrdodrx> I found a really cool way to fix my font display thing
[19:56] <xrdodrx> sss314, I guess it's a bug, thought I was the only one tbh
[19:58] <Soupermanito> sss314, xrdodrx probably is not a bug, just something that runs while installing
[19:59] <sss314> Soupermanito, It shows a blank gray windows and then it disappears after one second
[19:59] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, it's a bug that it flashes around 5 on every new software install instead of running silently
[19:59] <xrdodrx> so yes, it's a bug :|
[19:59] <Soupermanito> oh well
[19:59] <Soupermanito> never happened to me
[20:00] <Sysi> i never use software-center..
[20:00] <Soupermanito> so how do you fixed the font thingy xrdodrx
[20:00] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, imagemagick's 'display' command
[20:01] <Soupermanito> D:
[20:01] <xrdodrx> I recompiled imagemagick with a different string so now it says "The  quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" instead of the default saying
[20:01] <xrdodrx> :D
[20:01] <xrdodrx> s/jumped/jumps
[20:01] <Soupermanito> ah
[20:01] <Soupermanito> yeah i see
[20:01] <Sysi> (c) KDE
[20:02] <Sysi> or is it general GNU
[20:02] <Soupermanito> you know you can install fontforge and it comes whit a preview tool
[20:03] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, that's silly and not the same at all
[20:03] <xrdodrx> I have fontforge but it can't run and automatically display a preview just from opening a font file in thunar
[20:03] <xrdodrx> also, compiling imagemagick so it shows like this was fun :D
[20:04] <xrdodrx> http://i.imgur.com/Ymx1h.png
[20:04] <Sysi> i preview fonts by setting them as system font and keeping it like that for a week
[20:04] <xrdodrx> o.o
[20:04] <Soupermanito> xrdodrx, yes, yes it can
[20:04] <Soupermanito> i tried it
[20:04] <Sysi> i don't fiddle with fonts very much
[20:05] <xrdodrx> Sysi, you don't have collections of like 3000 fonts though xD
[20:05] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, command?
[20:05] <xrdodrx> Also the fontforge in the ubuntu repos is a year out of date :s
[20:05] <xrdodrx> I always end up compiling that too
[20:05] <Soupermanito> open whit> fontforge
[20:06] <xrdodrx> Soupermanito, :|
[20:07] <Soupermanito> xrdodrx, http://imagebin.org/155654
[20:07] <xrdodrx> That;s slower than imagemagick and imo it's a little silly to open it in a font editing tool just to display a font preview
[20:08] <xrdodrx> but to each his own
[20:08] <xrdodrx> :3
[20:08] <Soupermanito> it works :P
[20:09] <Soupermanito> oh but display works pretty neath
[20:09] <xrdodrx> I didn't like the default string because it didn't show all the characters
[20:09] <xrdodrx> And there was no command line switch to change it either, it's hard-coded in :/
[20:10] <Soupermanito> oh
[20:11] <Soupermanito> so you hardchanged it
[20:11] <xrdodrx> yeah
[20:11] <xrdodrx> and then recompiled imagemagick
[20:11] <xrdodrx> *lol*
[20:11] <Soupermanito> you know what XD i can open it whit irfanview using wine
[20:11] <Soupermanito> XD
[20:11] <xrdodrx> :(
[20:11] <xrdodrx> why would you do that
[20:11] <xrdodrx> that's the least efficient way so far lol
[20:13] <Soupermanito> XD
[20:13] <Soupermanito> hahaha it probably is, but then again i use irfanview as my default viewer
[20:14] <Soupermanito> http://imagebin.org/155655
[20:14] <Sysi> i should find out how to use custom font on webpage..
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[20:15] <Soupermanito> XD
[20:15] <xrdodrx> Sysi, CSS is the preferred way
[20:15] <Sysi> aren't there many native font previewers? dolphin shows them as thumbnails
[20:15] <xrdodrx> Sysi, one would think
[20:15] <xrdodrx> but there aren't any.
[20:15] <Sysi> xrdodrx: but where i need to place that font
[20:16] <xrdodrx> Sysi, I don't really understand the question...you can use CSS if the font is going to be installed on both machines just by declaring
[20:16] <xrdodrx> font-family: DejaVu Sans
[20:16] <xrdodrx> for instance
[20:16] <Sysi> but if i want some random font
[20:16] <xrdodrx> or you can use a .woff webfont, but only if it's a libre font because of licensing
[20:17] <xrdodrx> you can use fontforge to convert any font to .woff format
[20:17] <Sysi> ..luckily it doesn't matter that much
[20:23] <xrdodrx> IdleOne, seems like you like Dynasty Warriors :P
[20:23] <IdleOne> xrdodrx: I'm an old time arcade player :)
[20:23] <IdleOne> you can't imagine how many quarters I put into that game
[20:31] <jimrew> hi can i turn off the dock in xubuntu 11.04??
[20:32] <Soupermanito> yes
[20:32] <jimrew> how?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> remove the bottom panel? usually by removing panel 2
[20:32] <Soupermanito> its a panel, be aware if you do that you wont get it back
[20:32] <jimrew> lol silly me duh
[20:32] <jimrew> thanks :)
[20:32] <charlie-tca> not really a dock, we faked it
[20:33] <jimrew> you work on xbunt?
[20:33] <charlie-tca> who?
[20:33] <jimrew> you
[20:33] <charlie-tca> no, I don't do any packaging or development, myself. I do some testing and bugs, though
[20:33] <jimrew> ohh ok :0
[20:33] <jimrew> :)
[20:34] <charlie-tca> And I might be the project leaer
[20:34] <charlie-tca> And I might be the project leader
[20:34] <jimrew> just never let them make a real dock and you cant turn it off
[20:34] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:35] <charlie-tca> we just follow the lead that Xfce sets up
[20:35] <charlie-tca> They made the panels work really good for us
[20:35] <jimrew> ohh ok:)
[20:35] <charlie-tca> and ochosi, the guy that really did the work on it.
[20:35] <jimrew> so you project leader of xubuntu?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:36] <jimrew> wow cool :)
[20:36] <jimrew> can i ask you something?
[20:36] <xrdodrx> jimrew, yeah, it's a pretty small community but it's lately my favorite linux distro :D
[20:36] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:36] <xrdodrx> and I've used a lot of em :)
[20:36] <jimrew> will you put in libreoffce
[20:36] <charlie-tca> You can always ask. I answer if I can. :-)
[20:36] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:37] <jimrew> why?
[20:37] <xrdodrx> jimrew, no, you can install it from the software center, it's too large of a package and is no good on slow systems
[20:37] <charlie-tca> libreoffice does not conform to the lightweight design we are looking for
[20:37] <jimrew> ohh ok
[20:37] <charlie-tca> We put in abiword and gnumeric because they use less disk space and ram
[20:37] <xrdodrx> Also, here's a good thing about xfce
[20:37] <xrdodrx> when you install it you don't get the libreoffice-gtk package
[20:38] <charlie-tca> You can add any application in the repositories, though
[20:38] <xrdodrx> so you can choose your own theme and it won't carry over to libreoffice if it's dark
[20:38] <xrdodrx> :D
[20:38] <jimrew> im useing xbuntu and kubuntu becuse i dont like gnome 3
[20:38] <charlie-tca> I have used Xubuntu since it came out in 2006
[20:38] <jimrew> wow
[20:38] <jimrew> xubuntu is very good :)
[20:38] <charlie-tca> I do test Ubuntu and Kubuntu, though
[20:39] <jimrew> unity and gnome 3 to much RAM
[20:40] <charlie-tca> yup, for some machines
[20:40] <jimrew> is it ok if i add you to bud list i got to go
[20:40] <charlie-tca> sure, but it is best to come in here and ask things.
[20:41] <jimrew> ok bye :)
[20:41] <jimrew> i like xubuntu :) bye
[20:43]  * charlie-tca going hide again now
[21:40] <EpicCyndaquil> hey guys, on a fresh install of xubuntu, I'm having an issue where I have to click above things: the cursor isn't accurate. Is there a simple fix?
[21:44] <Soupermanito> >accurate?
[21:44] <EpicCyndaquil> okay, I'll try to be more precise. To click on a button, I must be about 3cm above it
[21:45] <EpicCyndaquil> this goes for anything and everything I need to click on
[21:46] <Sysi> really weird, did you try relogin/reboot?
[21:46] <Sysi> updates installed?
[21:46] <Soupermanito> sounds like something that happened to me ages ago on X
[21:47] <EpicCyndaquil> updates are not yet installed
[21:47] <EpicCyndaquil> but I got the iso today
[21:47] <EpicCyndaquil> from the official US archive
[21:47] <Soupermanito> EpicCyndaquil, you should update your video drivers
[21:47] <Soupermanito> gksu jockey-gtk
[21:47] <Soupermanito> and choose the best ones
[21:48] <EpicCyndaquil> I tried to fix with the experimental 3d nvidia driver it suggested, did not help, but I'll see what that throws at me
[21:49] <EpicCyndaquil> yep, that's all it shows
[21:49] <EpicCyndaquil> and it's active
[21:50] <EpicCyndaquil> looks like there's an X update, I'll just hope that fixes it
[21:50] <EpicCyndaquil> my laptop is on an Ubuntu 10.10 base with xubuntu-desktop, so I wasn't sure if this was an 11.04 issue
[21:51] <charlie-tca> If a restart doesn't fix it, try either renaming or removing ~/.config. You will have to re-do all the customizations for the desktop and panels, but it might fix it.
[21:53] <EpicCyndaquil> I haven't done any custom config yet. It's also worth noting that the top bar seems to be off: it's too tall (blank space at the top) and seems to be too much toward the left and has begun to mirror?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> You upgraded from Ubuntu 10.10 to Xubuntu 11.04?
[21:57] <EpicCyndaquil> not on this computer
[21:57] <EpicCyndaquil> that was regarding another, apologies
[21:58] <EpicCyndaquil> and restart didn't fix, so I'll try killing ~/.config
[21:59] <EpicCyndaquil> trying another restart....
[22:00] <EpicCyndaquil> same issues.
[22:02] <EpicCyndaquil> any other ideas?
[22:02] <Sysi> have you tried propietary driver? or currently using it
[22:03] <EpicCyndaquil> I've tried it, can try again if you'd like
[22:03] <EpicCyndaquil> no visual difference between the two
[22:05] <EpicCyndaquil> the whole screen positioning seems off, honestly
[22:07] <EpicCyndaquil> the bottom userbar is too low, can only see about half of it
[22:08] <EpicCyndaquil> maybe I'll try playing with some compiz settings in a bit, otherwise I'm clueless
[22:16] <charlie-tca> reset your monitor?
[22:16] <EpicCyndaquil> the issue with that is that I'm dual-booting with Windows XP, can't reset it every time
[22:16] <charlie-tca> MIne has a button to adjust it, pushing it fixes that "not quite on the monitor thing"
[22:16] <EpicCyndaquil> I suppose I could try
[22:17] <EpicCyndaquil> but again, it's not my computer, and having to push a monitor button might frustrate this person.
[22:17] <jimrew> how do i enable compiz in xfce?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> EpicCyndaquil: then maybe this is not for them?
[22:18] <jimrew> how do i enable compiz in xfce?
[22:18] <charlie-tca> jimrew: install first, then I think you use           compiz --replace           to run it in place of xfwm
[22:19] <jimrew> ok :)
[22:21] <EpicCyndaquil> ah, maybe I should try that on this computer...
[22:21] <EpicCyndaquil> (compiz instead of xfwm)
[22:23] <EpicCyndaquil> interestingly, it seems Windows XP is booting faster than xubuntu
[22:23] <EpicCyndaquil> my mind is blown
[22:23] <Sysi> ten year old OS, should fly on modern hardware
[22:24] <Sysi> too bad usability and security sucks
[22:24] <Sysi> did you count loggin in, AV installed?
[22:26] <jimrew> i got it to work but the window butons go away and i cant make it stay on after restart
[22:28] <jimrew> hello?
[22:29] <charlie-tca> yeah
[22:29] <jimrew> i got it to work but the window butons go away and i cant make it stay on after restart
[22:29] <charlie-tca> no idea. Maybe the window buttons are tied to unity now?
[22:29] <charlie-tca> I have never tried to use compiz, myself
[22:29] <Sysi> you need compiz-plugin for window decorations
[22:30] <Sysi> it stays on reboot if you rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions and then save session on logout
[22:31] <jimrew> ok just a sec
[23:49] <Soupermanito> ok so, i have vlc volume at 400% and all the alsamixer or xfce4-mixer at 100 and still volume is awfully low