| === tazz_ is now known as tazz | ||
| shadeslayer | *facepalm* | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| shadeslayer | debfx: around? | 00:21 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: Quintasan JontheEchidna i've pushed my kdelibs branch over here : https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu | 00:40 |
| shadeslayer | now i'm off to study for my last couple of exams :) | 00:41 |
| shadeslayer | cya | 00:41 |
| ScottK | FYI, Bug #789708 | 00:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 789708 in natty-backports "Please backport pkg-kde-tools 0.14.0ubuntu1 from Oneiric to Natty" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789708 | 00:43 |
| JontheEchidna | this is horrifying: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/28/ubuntu-uk-loco-cds/ | 00:48 |
| JontheEchidna | :'( | 00:49 |
| ScottK | Someone who lives on the relevant island should arrange a rescue. | 00:52 |
| ScottK | Where is Riddell when you really need him? | 00:52 |
| valorie | AlanBell actually runs kubuntu, at least sometimes | 00:55 |
| valorie | he's just exposing the hens to good computing! | 00:55 |
| ScottK | Maybe time for seaLne to the rescue ... | 00:56 |
| valorie | lol | 00:56 |
| ScottK | So it's definitely after 0001UTC, right? | 00:58 |
| ScottK | No. 3 more minutes | 00:59 |
| ScottK | Two even | 00:59 |
| ScottK | So I can finish the KC election as soon as we hit Sunday UTC. | 01:00 |
| valorie | how many voted, ScottK? | 01:01 |
| * ScottK decides to wait an extra minute or two in case someone saw that and went "oops, forgot to votee." | 01:01 | |
| valorie | thank you for running the election, btw | 01:02 |
| ScottK | 34 of 57 eligible. | 01:02 |
| ScottK | No problem. The only annoying part was getting the email addresses out of LP. | 01:02 |
| ScottK | No one voted in the last two or three days. | 01:02 |
| valorie | indeed | 01:02 |
| valorie | hmmm, just over half | 01:02 |
| valorie | voting like Americans | 01:03 |
| ScottK | Not bad considering many of them aren't very active anymore. | 01:03 |
| ScottK | OK. Time. | 01:03 |
| ScottK | http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_714f581d4fc2dad7 | 01:03 |
| ScottK | Congratulations apachelogger, JontheEchidna, and DarkwingDuck | 01:04 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Merging KDE 4.6.3 from Debian | Merges: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | TODO: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to our re-elected overlords apachelogger and JontheEchidna and new overlord DarkwingDuck | ||
| * DarkwingDuck chuckles | 01:06 | |
| ScottK | OK. Results announced. | 01:14 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: Since you're the newbie, you get to schedule a meeting for next week to review/approve specs and process any memberships. | 01:17 |
| ScottK | Doodle poll is the usual method. | 01:18 |
| ScottK | I mailed Riddell and asked him to adjust team membership. | 01:21 |
| claydoh | w00t! congrats to apachelogger DarkwingDuck and JontheEchidna !! | 01:27 |
| ScottK | Unsubscribed from kubuntu-users ML. If anyone from there bitches about the election and I need to know, someone please tell me. | 01:28 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: While your busy not setting up the ice cream magic on our arm boxes, would you please have a look at Bug #773062 and see if maybe there's a fix we can cherrypick for an SRU? | 01:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 773062 in cmake (Ubuntu) "cmake does not work well with ccache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773062 | 01:31 |
| claydoh | ScottK: from the lack of any response to the poll om the -users list, should be no problem. Heck not many Kubuntu users in there imo lol | 02:04 |
| claydoh | also lack of response in the forums iirc as well, tho most there do use kubuntu :D | 02:05 |
| ScottK | Yeah, I didn't figure it was high risk to go ahead and unsubscribe. | 02:05 |
| Linkmaster | Hey, popping in here for two things, first is, I wanted to say thanks for all your work on Kubuntu, its my favorite OS since I picked it up, so yeah. thanks! | 06:58 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 06:59 |
| tsimpson | aww, seems no one likes poor old me :( | 07:34 |
| tsimpson | but seriously, congrats to apachelogger, DarkwingDuck and JontheEchidna :D | 07:34 |
| yofel | apachelogger, DarkwingDuck, JontheEchidna: congratulations :D | 08:12 |
| bambee | morning | 09:15 |
| bambee | JontheEchidna: when you write "in bzr" on merges.u.c , what do you mean ? I don't find these packages into our repositories (kubuntu-ninjas, kubuntu-ppa) | 09:25 |
| yofel | that should be lp:~kubuntu-packagers/<package>/ubuntu | 09:27 |
| yofel | bzr means bzr, not PPA | 09:27 |
| bambee | ah o_O | 09:34 |
| bambee | that's why I did not find them... xD | 09:34 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger, JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: Grats | 09:35 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Thanks for running the elections | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | debfx, ScottK: what package were you talking about WRT update-alternatives > dpkg-divert and debconf? | 10:41 |
| debfx | apachelogger: kdesudo | 10:41 |
| bambee | apachelogger, JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: congrats btw ;) | 10:41 |
| debfx | but I think we should keep update-alternatives | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | uhm, overlord again \o/ | 10:42 |
| * apachelogger hugs the members | 10:42 | |
| apachelogger | debfx: we are upstream to debian, if debian thinks diverging from upstraem is good then that is not our fault :P | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | incidentially there is a good reason for using update-alternatives ... try looking for divert kdesudo on launchpad bugs | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | there are approx 5000000 of those | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | there constantly went stuff wrong, making the kdebase/runtime upgrade fail ever so often | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: congrats | 10:58 |
| bambee | the debian version for kdenetwork contains this .install file http://paste.ubuntu.com/614523/ | 12:21 |
| bambee | however, these files are not built and do not exist in debian/tmp/ o_O | 12:21 |
| bambee | (fileshare_propsdlgplugin.so and kcm_kcmsambaconf.so for example) | 12:22 |
| bambee | and the only patch in debian/patches has nothing to do with that... wtf ? | 12:22 |
| debfx | afaik we have backported samba related stuff form 4.7 | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that cmake bug looks like fun btw | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | also I do not think it is a cmake issue at all | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | or perhaps it is, but only partially | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | in particular it is probably falling over the fact that cxx has a cmd and a arg, which generally speaking of course is a bit of a bogus situation | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | gcc got three args with -d | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | cmake does not call either | 12:55 |
| * apachelogger runs cmake with tracing | 12:56 | |
| apachelogger | /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake(32): EXECUTE_PROCESS(COMMAND dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH OUTPUT_VARIABLE CMAKE_ARCH_TRIPLET OUTPUT_STRIP_TRAILING_WHITESPACE ) | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | Called from: [4]/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | [3]/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/Platform/Linux.cmake | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | [2]/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/CMakeSystemSpecificInformation.cmake | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | [1]/home/me/src/git/libechonest/CMakeLists.txt | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | /usr/bin/ccache: invalid option -- 'd' | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | 5 bucks that call comes from a patch | 12:57 |
| debfx | eh, why do we have a security patch from 2009 in kde4libs that is not applied upstream :O | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | me@osiris:/tmp/cmake-2.8.4+dfsg.1$ grep -ri dpkg-architecture . | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | ./debian/patches/ubuntu_multiarch_library_directory.diff:+EXECUTE_PROCESS(COMMAND dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH OUTPUT_VARIABLE CMAKE_ARCH_TRIPLET OUTPUT_STRIP_TRAILING_WHITESPACE) | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | jr strikes again :P | 12:58 |
| debfx | what's wrong with it? | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | well, it causes ccache -dumpmachine to be called | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | leading to an eror in ccache | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | as obviously the call should be ccache gcc -dumpinfo | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | eh | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | dumpmachine | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | debfx: perhaps the patch was applied differently upstream? | 13:01 |
| debfx | it wasn't applied at all, upstream doesn't care about multiarch (yet?) | 13:01 |
| debfx | how does ccache hook into the buildsystem? does it modify $PATH? | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | no | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | you set a new CXX and CC env var | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | debfx: multiarch is something gcc, that should totally be implemented in cmake upstream | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | for some reason dpkg-architecture calls: | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | execve("/bin/sh", ["sh", "-c", "${CC:-gcc} -dumpmachine"], [/* 50 vars */]) = 0 | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | resulting in | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | execve("/usr/bin/ccache", ["/usr/bin/ccache", "-dumpmachine"], [/* 50 vars */]) = 0 | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | which then produces crap outs | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | I believe cmake pokes the env around a bit | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | I know that it definitely stores CC/CXX as a combo of command + argN | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | so if cmake were to set its envrionemnt so that CC only contains the command and no the arg (which is generally sane behaviour I suppose), that would screw over the poor old dpkg-architecture | 13:09 |
| debfx | merging is so confusing :/ | 13:21 |
| bambee | debfx: I was talking about this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/614543/ ? | 13:35 |
| debfx | bambee: yes, that patch clearly removes those kcms | 13:37 |
| debfx | kde4libs is almost ready | 13:41 |
| bambee | debfx: I know, but this is the patch commited into kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu :D | 13:42 |
| bambee | look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_05_samba_sharing.diff then | 13:42 |
| bambee | - should be replaced by + I guess | 13:43 |
| debfx | why is that? | 13:46 |
| debfx | but it reminds me, we need to adapt that patch to call qapt | 13:46 |
| debfx | bambee: that patch removes some old crappy kcms and adds a new plugin | 13:48 |
| yofel | does someone know if there's a reason kdesdk is built against an explicit version of boost in kubuntu? | 14:00 |
| bambee | debfx: ohh I understood. the debian kdenetwork-filesharing.install is too old | 14:03 |
| bambee | debian kde team did not backport this patch ? | 14:04 |
| bambee | well apparently not | 14:08 |
| yofel | we added that ourselves, ask them if they want the patch | 14:09 |
| yofel | they might not even know it exists | 14:10 |
| bambee | ok | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | c2tarun: Tarun K. Mall (c2tarun) has accepted the invitation to make Kubuntu | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | Mobile Team (kubuntu-mobile) a member of UBUNTU - AL (linux-traipu). | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | WTH | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | ? | 14:14 |
| c2tarun | ?? | 14:14 |
| c2tarun | apachelogger: actually I dont exactly know what is it. I thought you guys are starting something new | 14:14 |
| yofel | all ninjas are kubuntu-mobile admins for some reason, you usually shouldn't touch it | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | c2tarun: in that case you probably should not touch things? | 14:15 |
| c2tarun | yofel, apachelogger: sorrrryyy :( | 14:16 |
| c2tarun | apachelogger: sorry, this question might be irrelevant for this channel, but I dont know where to ask. being a KDE-developer is there a way to directly contribute to kubuntu? | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | yofel: can you undo this, because I can't for one reason or another | 14:18 |
| yofel | let me try... | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | rbelem: could you please transfer ownership of ~kubuntu-mobile to kubuntu-members or kubuntu-council | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | hm, kubuntu-kdesudo also could use an ownership change | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | wgrant: can you poke https://launchpad.net/~linux-traipu in the nose or something for inviting half of launchpad teams to become member? | 14:22 |
| yofel | meh, I don't get how to leave the team either :S | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | ah | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-dev and kubuntu-ninjas are admin of kubuntu-mobile | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | that is bogus | 14:23 |
| yofel | at least make that members, not ninjas. Ninjas have nothing to do with -mobile | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | well | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | quite frankly I do not see the point in having members be admin | 14:25 |
| yofel | true | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | dev and council as admin should be sufficient, members as member of the team | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | there is big issue of trust with the ninjas team as anyone willing enough can become member, thus having ninjas have access to anything official direclty is a dangerous thing IMHO | 14:26 |
| apachelogger | yofel: I think launchpad has a usability fail ^^ | 14:27 |
| yofel | agreed | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | ah well | 14:28 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-members membership is not even necessary | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-mobile has no branches | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | so other than a sense of belonging therewould not be much gain | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | yofel: http://www.mail-archive.com/launchpad-users@lists.launchpad.net/msg01646.html | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | wth | 14:30 |
| yofel | I'm getting tired of the answer to crappy usability being "But rest assured, you can do it by API!" *-.- | 14:31 |
| * apachelogger files launchpad question | 14:33 | |
| * ryanakca thinks the admin of the UBUNTU - AL team needs a talking to. I don't understand why he's invited some twenty or so unrelated teams to join. | 14:36 | |
| apachelogger | debfx: how about we retire kdesudo and make kdesu work properly instead? | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: interestingly enough I believe this very much a scam | 14:39 |
| bambee | https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kdenetwork/debian-merge-4.6 <--- Do I propose a merge ? (into kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu) | 14:39 |
| yofel | bambee: changelog is crap | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: calling the team a loco while it is not actually a loco is not very reassuring | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | also the excessive use of capslock even though it is not capslockday makes me eyes burn | 14:41 |
| bambee | yofel: I need to merge the debian changelog too ? (at least for 4.6.3) | 14:41 |
| yofel | a) you didn't use merge-changelog b) junk my UNRELEASED changelog and keep what's necessary from there | 14:41 |
| bambee | I don't know what merge-changelog is | 14:43 |
| * bambee slaps himself and installs ubuntu-dev-tools ^^ | 14:45 | |
| yofel | a script that merges the ubuntu changelog with the debian changelog | 14:45 |
| yofel | so the changelog entries are in the right order | 14:46 |
| === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying | ||
| bambee | yofel: done | 15:12 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: *nod* | 15:13 |
| yofel | bambee: remove my 4.6.3-0ubuntu1 changelog and add what you think is needed from there to your changelog | 15:13 |
| yofel | bambee: you didn't keep any of our changes? | 15:13 |
| bambee | I kept our changes | 15:14 |
| yofel | your changelog doesn't say that, see 4:4.5.2-0ubuntu1 changelog | 15:14 |
| bambee | ok | 15:14 |
| yofel | you changelog entry should list all changes between our package and the debian one | 15:15 |
| yofel | *your | 15:15 |
| debfx | apachelogger: upstream kdesu is quite scary | 15:19 |
| debfx | so I guess we'll drop the patch numbering as well to be consistent with debian | 15:22 |
| yofel | was just wondering the same as I'm merging kdesdk patches right now | 15:25 |
| yofel | so from kubuntu_01_name to kubuntu_name ? | 15:26 |
| debfx | yofel: yep | 15:26 |
| bambee | yofel: something like that ? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bambi/kdenetwork/debian-merge-4.6/view/head:/debian/changelog :) | 15:40 |
| yofel | change "Merge with Debian git remaining changes" into "Merge with Debian. Remaining changes:" - this is a regular merge, not from git. | 15:42 |
| yofel | also remove Taruns changes, all of that was done in debian. Also drop my first entry | 15:42 |
| yofel | bambee: why do you have "- Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.2; no changes needed." in your changelog o.O? | 15:43 |
| bambee | I just merged this change from debian | 15:43 |
| bambee | don't know :\ | 15:43 |
| yofel | urgh, you misunderstood something. Your changelog should have all changes that WE applied to the DEBIAN package | 15:44 |
| yofel | meaning the diff between 4.6.3-1 and 4.6.3-1ubuntu1 | 15:44 |
| yofel | since you used the debian package and applied all changes that we want to keep to it | 15:45 |
| bambee | yofel: I just added changes from debian into our package. so there are no remaining changes. All our previous changes are listed in this changelog | 15:52 |
| bambee | (like our patches) | 15:52 |
| yofel | which means you did the wrong way, you don't apply the debian changes to our package, you take the debian package and apply our changes to it | 15:53 |
| yofel | since the ideal case would be dumping our package and using the debian one | 15:53 |
| yofel | so start with: pull-debian-source kdenetwork | 15:54 |
| yofel | and apply our changes to the package | 15:54 |
| bambee | no I downloaded our changes (ie bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu), compute differences between kdenetwork/ubuntu and kdenetwork/debian and apply these changes into kdenetwork/ubuntu (into my own branch) | 15:55 |
| bambee | s/our changes/ our debian directory/ | 15:55 |
| kubotu | bambee meant: "no I downloaded our debian directory (ie bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu), compute differences between kdenetwork/ubuntu and kdenetwork/debian and apply these changes into kdenetwork/ubuntu (into my own branch)" | 15:55 |
| yofel | hm, meaning you took the diff, threw our debian/ folder away and applied the diff to the debain/ folder from debian and then commited that into bzr? | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: yeah, i was wondering why the CVE wasn't applied upstream | 15:56 |
| yofel | well, let me look at the other files, but at least the changelog is wrong | 15:57 |
| * debfx uploads kde4libs | 15:59 | |
| shadeslayer | w00t | 15:59 |
| bambee | yofel: basically, I did "diff -u <our_debian_dir_from_kubuntu> <the_real_debian_dir_from_debian.org>", I only took the interesting changes, and then I applied them to our debian (from kubuntu) | 15:59 |
| yofel | \o/ | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: anything else that needed changing? | 16:00 |
| yofel | bambee: wrong way, you take the diff, and apply anything interesting to the debian folder (from DEBIAN!!) | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | ( that diff is HUGE ) | 16:00 |
| yofel | we want the debian package, except whatever changes we really need to keep | 16:00 |
| bambee | :\ | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | bambee: you should read the merging procedure on the wiki :) | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | merging is one PITA | 16:02 |
| yofel | yeah, spent half the day merging kdesdk :/ | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | there are like a bazillion things that can go wrong | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: i spent 2 nights on kde4libs xD | 16:02 |
| yofel | yeah, I noticed that much | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | and now i'm all sorts of unprepared for tommorows exam :P | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: did you push to bzr as well? | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | and kdelibs bzr needs upgrading btw | 16:04 |
| debfx | shadeslayer: I had to change quite a few things | 16:04 |
| yofel | to what? | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: newer bzr format | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: oh .. minor/major mistakes? | 16:05 |
| bambee | shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging ? | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | bambee: yes | 16:05 |
| bambee | ok | 16:05 |
| bambee | thanks | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | np :) | 16:05 |
| * yofel backports pkg-kde-tools for natty into ninjas | 16:06 | |
| shadeslayer | yofel: wait, wasn't pkg-kde-tools going into backports? | 16:06 |
| yofel | I said ninjas, put it wherever you want later | 16:06 |
| bambee | sorry but.. if we apply the above changes to the debian folder from debian.org... why commit them into bzr ? | 16:07 |
| yofel | but I can't testbuild anything right now with natty having too old pkg-kde-tools and oneiric not having all 4.6.3 deps for kdesdk right now | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: no i mean, pkg-kde-tools was going into ubuntu-backports | 16:07 |
| * bambee is reading the wiki | 16:07 | |
| yofel | ah, I don't have that enabled here, lemme check | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | afaik it's not been uploaded to ubuntu-backports yet | 16:07 |
| yofel | it's not, and I need it now | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | alright | 16:08 |
| debfx | shadeslayer: that's the diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614581/ | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: diff from my merge? or diff from debian? | 16:11 |
| debfx | from your merge | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | ( my internet connection is complete crap right now ) | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | wow | 16:11 |
| yofel | why did you drop the kde4libs (4:4.4.1-1) experimental; urgency=low entry? or was that twice in there? | 16:13 |
| debfx | yofel: yes | 16:13 |
| yofel | ah | 16:13 |
| shadeslayer | uhm | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | debfx: why did you remove the install icons line from debian/rules? | 16:17 |
| debfx | shadeslayer: they aren't used anymore | 16:17 |
| debfx | the patch that needed them has been long disabled and I've dropped it completely now | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | ah okay | 16:18 |
| yofel | hm, our pbuilder list missing hook still depends on cdbs | 16:21 |
| yofel | apachelogger: can you fix that? ^ | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | yes, I do not have time though | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | it is not like it matters much, is it? | 16:25 |
| yofel | true, take your timem | 16:26 |
| yofel | *time | 16:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | Morning | 16:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | Do the Kubuntu meeting notices get sent to kubuntu-users as well as kubuntu-devel? | 17:12 |
| JontheEchidna | just -devel | 17:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | Thank ye. JontheEchidna mind looking at the doodle to ensure I idn't mess this up too bad before I send it? :D | 17:16 |
| JontheEchidna | sure | 17:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | http://www.doodle.com/89xsm8fw2y6v8qqs | 17:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm not sure how timezones work with doodle... | 17:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | I copied the times for meeting from the last one AFAIK | 17:17 |
| JontheEchidna | iirc it's UTC | 17:17 |
| * DarkwingDuck nods | 17:17 | |
| DarkwingDuck | I didn't know if Doodle autochanged for timezone | 17:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | What times does it show for you? | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | 3-12 PM | 17:18 |
| yofel | here too | 17:19 |
| debfx | DarkwingDuck: afaik you need to enable timezone support when creating the poll | 17:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | debfx: I went back through the settings, I can't find a TZ support anymore... Those are the same times that the last poll was. | 17:22 |
| debfx | DarkwingDuck: it's on the time suggestions page | 17:23 |
| debfx | ScottK: kde4libs is waiting on libdlrestrictions now. since when is the MIR team so pedantic about binary package promotions? | 17:26 |
| JontheEchidna | probably when a binary packages controls library loading | 17:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | debfx: http://imagebin.org/155768 not there anymore. | 17:36 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: looking at your merge, Kubuntu Developers should be kept as the maintainer with Debian Qt/KDE as the XSBC-Original-Maintainer | 17:36 |
| yofel | JontheEchidna: debfx already merged kdelibs | 17:37 |
| * debfx forgot to push :( | 17:37 | |
| debfx | DarkwingDuck: is it there when you create a new poll? | 17:37 |
| DarkwingDuck | debfx: no. | 17:38 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, ok | 17:38 |
| DarkwingDuck | debfx: It used to be... that's what confused me. | 17:38 |
| debfx | DarkwingDuck: it's still there for me: http://i.imgur.com/50v11.png | 17:39 |
| DarkwingDuck | debfx: nevermind, it's there. I'm rebuilding | 17:39 |
| DarkwingDuck | the times are listed in UTC Correct? | 17:40 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahhh, this is better (I think) | 17:41 |
| DarkwingDuck | These times look better? http://www.doodle.com/nvfgrvpg6p2vzqpp | 17:41 |
| JontheEchidna | 11 AM to 8 PM | 17:42 |
| JontheEchidna | offset 4 hours from the last numbers, so it looks pretty UTC | 17:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | So, it's supposed to be 11A to 8P UTC? | 17:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I think so. Those look like pretty sane times for me | 17:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | JontheEchidna: one more shot eh? http://www.doodle.com/diamdzurqp87app6 | 17:47 |
| JontheEchidna | ah, yeah. Better. Come to think of it I am -5 UTC, not -4 | 17:48 |
| JontheEchidna | the confusing bit is that in daylight savings we're -4 | 17:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 17:48 |
| JontheEchidna | or something | 17:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, I'll use that last one. | 17:48 |
| yofel | burn DST with fire | 17:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | Aye | 17:49 |
| DarkwingDuck | DST is so dumb | 17:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Arizona is about the only sane state in the US, in regards to DST (or the lack thereof) | 17:50 |
| JontheEchidna | Unfortunately they're a bit crazy in other regards :P | 17:50 |
| DarkwingDuck | Arizona, Hawaii and half of Indiana | 17:51 |
| QuintasanDroid | sup | 17:53 |
| DarkwingDuck | Sup QuintasanDroid | 17:53 |
| * QuintasanDroid reinstalls Natty | 17:54 | |
| QuintasanDroid | utterly borken here | 17:54 |
| QuintasanDroid | sigsegvs on everything | 17:54 |
| QuintasanDroid | sigoops on apt | 17:55 |
| QuintasanDroid | lol | 17:55 |
| * QuintasanDroid needs to spin his own mix of Kubuntu | 17:55 | |
| QuintasanDroid | shadeslayer: do you know any tools to remaster CD? | 17:56 |
| QuintasanDroid | they have to work unlike remastersys | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer | QuintasanDroid: you just download the cd -> extract it and chroot into it | 17:57 |
| shadeslayer | and do whatever you want then :) | 17:57 |
| QuintasanDroid | chroot into squashfs you mean? | 17:58 |
| QuintasanDroid | and then I put it back into iso? | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | one sec | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | QuintasanDroid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | QuintasanDroid: you use mkisofs and point it to your extacted chroot | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | QuintasanDroid: in that guide, "sudo mksquashfs edit extract-cd/casper/filesystem.squashfs -nolzma" won't work, use the command below that | 18:00 |
| ScottK | debfx: Dunno. If that's all it needs, upload it and let it FTBFS and then I'll bit more. | 18:03 |
| debfx | ScottK: I've already uploaded, it's in dep-wait | 18:04 |
| ScottK | debfx: Great. | 18:05 |
| * QuintasanDroid will spin Ultimate Kubuntu | 18:06 | |
| QuintasanDroid | shadeslayer: if, by any chance we get debdelta support in Launchpad this year, we are spinning Neon LiveCD | 18:08 |
| QuintasanDroid | NO WAY | 18:08 |
| QuintasanDroid | installer crashed at grub install | 18:09 |
| QuintasanDroid | it is the official iso | 18:09 |
| QuintasanDroid | ... | 18:09 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I already complained to LP people. They told me to go see the Community Council (re the team spam). Someone should do that. | 18:12 |
| * QuintasanDroid notes that GRUB is broken on CD | 18:12 | |
| * QuintasanDroid wonders why that was not sorted out | 18:13 | |
| DarkwingDuck | Grub is broken? | 18:15 |
| QuintasanDroid | installer crashed at it | 18:15 |
| QuintasanDroid | and manually running the command yelps around about aufs | 18:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | hmmz, | 18:15 |
| QuintasanDroid | that was reported already | 18:15 |
| QuintasanDroid | though there is no known fix | 18:15 |
| QuintasanDroid | workaround is to chroot | 18:16 |
| QuintasanDroid | ... | 18:16 |
| * QuintasanDroid cant boot his install | 18:16 | |
| ScottK | QuintasanDroid: I find people have no end of trouble with 64 bit desktops. I say don't bother. | 18:16 |
| QuintasanDroid | using 32 bit is not acceptable workaround | 18:17 |
| ScottK | debfx: I've begged for libdlrestrictions1 and libdlrestrictions-dev to be promoted. Now we'll see. | 18:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | Only issue I had with grub is when I tried to install on hardware RAID. | 18:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | I had to disable HDW RAID from BIOS to install with a software RAID | 18:17 |
| debfx | ScottK: you've gone that far? :) | 18:17 |
| debfx | thanks | 18:17 |
| ScottK | Begged is probably a little strong, but I did ask. | 18:17 |
| * QuintasanDroid curses his computer | 18:17 | |
| * DarkwingDuck has a vision of Scott on his knees | 18:18 | |
| QuintasanDroid | DarkwingDuck: That's not happening :P | 18:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | QuintasanDroid: Oh I know... He said begged and that flashed in my mind for a moment. But, I'm sure that stern look with a expressionless face is more like it. | 18:19 |
| QuintasanDroid | not many people can make ScottK so powerless, he wields wide influence | 18:20 |
| QuintasanDroid | I mean, you see ScottK wanting something and that gets done asap :P | 18:20 |
| ScottK | Unfortunately this one thing you can't do unless you are employed by Canonical. It requires shell access in their data center. | 18:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | ScottK: Ahhh | 18:21 |
| ScottK | The is where the lack of jr really hurts. | 18:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yeah. | 18:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | Or another employee that works with Kubuntu that knows someone. | 18:21 |
| QuintasanDroid | hmmmmmmm | 18:22 |
| QuintasanDroid | shadeslayer: ping | 18:22 |
| QuintasanDroid | shadeslayer: go to #bzr, wave at Riddell and sent him link to the oom bug in LP when importing branches | 18:23 |
| QuintasanDroid | :P | 18:23 |
| QuintasanDroid | oh, | 18:23 |
| QuintasanDroid | and run | 18:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | lol | 18:24 |
| QuintasanDroid | no, seriously | 18:24 |
| QuintasanDroid | noone wants to have anything in common with bzr on LP | 18:24 |
| QuintasanDroid | brrr | 18:24 |
| QuintasanDroid | bzr > git | 18:25 |
| * QuintasanDroid hides | 18:25 | |
| * DarkwingDuck snickers | 18:25 | |
| * DarkwingDuck waits for someone to pop up for OPS | 18:25 | |
| QuintasanDroid | DarkwingDuck: You dont want to get in apachelogger's line of fire when he sees the statement above | 18:26 |
| QuintasanDroid | :P | 18:26 |
| QuintasanDroid | meh | 18:27 |
| QuintasanDroid | I need to get this retarded hardware sorted out asap | 18:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | hehehe | 18:27 |
| QuintasanDroid | why it wont boot after a power off? -_- | 18:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | ? | 18:27 |
| QuintasanDroid | I can soft reboot it | 18:27 |
| QuintasanDroid | if I power it off and on again | 18:27 |
| QuintasanDroid | I get no POST, no display, no power on USB | 18:28 |
| QuintasanDroid | but fans turn normally and hardware gets power | 18:28 |
| QuintasanDroid | if I wait 20 minutes or so | 18:28 |
| QuintasanDroid | and then power it on | 18:28 |
| QuintasanDroid | then it works | 18:28 |
| QuintasanDroid | stupid, isnt it.? | 18:28 |
| * apachelogger smacks QuintasanDroid with IL (δ, ω , if eq?(IX(delta, env, P redArg1(exp)), IX(delta, env, P redArg2(exp)))then IX(delta, env, T henP art(exp)) else IX(delta, env, ElseP art(exp))) = IL (δ, ω , IX(delta, env, ElseP art(exp)) | 18:29 | |
| DarkwingDuck | ROFL | 18:29 |
| QuintasanDroid | ohshi- | 18:29 |
| QuintasanDroid | what the hell? | 18:29 |
| QuintasanDroid | dont tell me thats GIT source code | 18:29 |
| QuintasanDroid | apachelogger-- | 18:30 |
| DarkwingDuck | QuintasanDroid: I think you just got hit by a driveby | 18:31 |
| tsimpson | I never did like functional programming | 18:31 |
| * QuintasanDroid hurls the aforementioned equation back at apachelogger | 18:31 | |
| apachelogger | ok | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | now you asked for it | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | QuintasanDroid: IL (δ, ω , IX(delta, env, [CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]])) =IL (δ, ω , DoCall(delta, omega, [CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]])) =IL (δ, ω , IX(delta, NewEnv(F ormP ar(delta, F N P art([CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]])), EvalList(delta, env, ArgP art([CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]]))), Body(delta, F N P art([CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]])))) | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | incidentially enough GGT = GCD in german | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | so if I pasted the other 300 lines of interpretation you'd have something useful | 18:32 |
| * QuintasanDroid hurls it back at apachelogger anyways | 18:33 | |
| QuintasanDroid | bleh, this looks worse than pyth0rn | 18:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | Congrats apachelogger | 18:33 |
| jussi | QuintasanDroid: apachelogger have your units hsipped yet? | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | for making a language worse than pyth0rn, I am not sure that is something you should congratulate people on | 18:34 |
| QuintasanDroid | jussi: Do not kid me, it will stay at least a week at Polish customs office :/ | 18:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | no silly, re-election | 18:34 |
| * QuintasanDroid 's package got from Japan to Poland in 3 days | 18:35 | |
| apachelogger | actually it is a much saner language, as it reduces only to integers, predicates, conditionals and lists | 18:35 |
| QuintasanDroid | it was being held at customs for 3 weeks | 18:35 |
| QuintasanDroid | jussi: ^ Magic of Poland | 18:35 |
| QuintasanDroid | jussi: I am not able to track the package now since my Kubuntu is borked | 18:36 |
| yofel | reinstall asap | 18:36 |
| yofel | more like now | 18:36 |
| QuintasanDroid | trying | 18:37 |
| QuintasanDroid | it wont boot after install | 18:37 |
| QuintasanDroid | :/ | 18:37 |
| * QuintasanDroid will try recovery mode in 20 minutes | 18:37 | |
| QuintasanDroid | :S | 18:37 |
| yofel | the only issues I had with natty and installing was a kernel oops when starting parted and there is a existing btrfs somewhere in sight | 18:37 |
| yofel | other than that it worked fine | 18:38 |
| QuintasanDroid | no btrfs here | 18:38 |
| QuintasanDroid | ext4 on root | 18:38 |
| DarkwingDuck | QuintasanDroid: What about installing Grub from LiveCD? | 18:38 |
| QuintasanDroid | DarkwingDuck: it is broken | 18:38 |
| * yofel alwasys chroots so he never hit *that* bug | 18:38 | |
| QuintasanDroid | you need to chroot from LiveCD to install it | 18:38 |
| DarkwingDuck | QuintasanDroid: http://bit.ly/91F2wh | 18:40 |
| DarkwingDuck | QuintasanDroid: You don't *have* to chroot to do it. | 18:40 |
| QuintasanDroid | you do lol | 18:40 |
| QuintasanDroid | otherwise I get cannot stat 'aufs' module | 18:41 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahhhhh | 18:42 |
| jussi | apachelogger: you may want to reply to the mail on the -devel list (ubuntuone kde). The guy could do with a little help by the looks of things, and Id say you would have a couple of answers? | 18:42 |
| JontheEchidna | jussi: oh! I have a joke for you | 18:44 |
| jussi | JontheEchidna: oh no... :P | 18:44 |
| JontheEchidna | jussi: What does Mortal Kombat and a church in Helinski have in common? | 18:45 |
| jussi | no idea... | 18:45 |
| JontheEchidna | Finnish Hymn! | 18:45 |
| jussi | Hah! | 18:45 |
| QuintasanDroid | lol | 18:46 |
| * yofel didn't get that... | 18:47 | |
| * QuintasanDroid makes his install lighter via chroot | 18:48 | |
| JontheEchidna | When you've almost killed somebody in the game Mortal Kombat, the announcer says "Finish him!" | 18:48 |
| JontheEchidna | In a church in Finland, you would most likely sing Finnish Hymns | 18:48 |
| yofel | lol | 18:49 |
| yofel | ^^ | 18:49 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: It needs to be an employee who's also an archive admin. | 18:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | ScottK: I'll remember that if I land this job. | 18:56 |
| ScottK | debfx: Was there anything from the kde4libs merge that needs to go back to Debian? | 18:57 |
| ScottK | If so, I think MoDaX wants us just to commit to git. | 18:57 |
| debfx | ScottK: no, except maybe some patches | 18:59 |
| debfx | but that needs investigating | 18:59 |
| ScottK | OK. Someone should do that ... | 19:00 |
| QuintasanDroid | :d | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | jussi: no shipping yet, also that mail on -devel requires looking into the code, otherwise I could only guess, and that guess would be a) API change on the server b) no auth | 19:06 |
| jussi | apachelogger: ooh, mines already in .de :) | 19:07 |
| jussi | or in transit from .de... | 19:07 |
| debfx | kubuntu_cmake_install_paths.diff: can probably be dropped. kde sequence should take care of that. changelog doesn't even mention the patch ... | 19:07 |
| jussi | May 29, 2011 3:15 AM Departed FedEx location KOELN DE | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | well, I only ordered on friday... ;) | 19:08 |
| debfx | kubuntu_CVE-2009-2702.diff: needs investigating why it's not upstream | 19:08 |
| ubottu | KDE KSSL in kdelibs 3.5.4, 4.2.4, and 4.3 does not properly handle a '\0' character in a domain name in the Subject Alternative Name field of an X.509 certificate, which allows man-in-the-middle attackers to spoof arbitrary SSL servers via a crafted certificate issued by a legitimate Certification Authority, a related issue to CVE-2009-2408. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-2702) | 19:08 |
| QuintasanDroid | k | 19:09 |
| QuintasanDroid | it works | 19:09 |
| debfx | kubuntu_useragent.diff: could be changed to use dpkg-vendor or something | 19:10 |
| === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T | ||
| debfx | the rest are backports or can't go to debian | 19:12 |
| debfx | apparently we have that cve from fedora | 19:16 |
| debfx | and the fedora spec file says: "Not Upstreamed? why not ? -- Rex" | 19:16 |
| ScottK | Maybe rdieter knows by now? | 19:18 |
| ScottK | In any case it sounds like worth pushing to Debian with the CVE reference. | 19:19 |
| debfx | debian closed the CVe bug saying it's fixed in version 4.3.2 | 19:20 |
| ScottK | I have a vague recollection of this. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | I think it used to be a larger patch. Part went upstream and part they didn't take. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | ENOCLUE why. | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | debfx: how would dpkg-vendor be useful there? | 19:20 |
| ScottK | I'm probably guilty of cargo culting the patch along. | 19:21 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Your cmake/ccache commentary was TLDR. What was the bottom line? | 19:21 |
| debfx | apachelogger: then we could push it to debian (if they are interested) | 19:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I made two comments, the latter is the bottom line | 19:21 |
| ScottK | In the bug? | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | no way to SRU because it is not even clear what exactly breaks it | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | I mean, a patch breaks it, but other than that little is known | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | I think keeping a CVE patch unnecessarily is much better than accidentally removing it | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | e.g. no so much cargo culting | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | what we know is that dpkg-architecture causes the fail, why exactly it does that is the big unkown | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: apparently the calligra member of my team of awesome made a pitstop in our channel of awesome for like 6 hrs, without saying anything though ;) | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | not that I had been awake between 0:22 and 6:38 | 19:24 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: project neon question in #kubuntu | 19:49 |
| JontheEchidna | [14:48:01] <BajK> when I install Project Neon it installs to /opt, so I can just run sudo /opt/project-neon/bin/kdm and I can use the KDE master? | 19:49 |
| debfx | unit test of the day: QCOMPARE( randObject.nextByte() == randObject.nextByte(), false ); | 19:51 |
| JontheEchidna | haha | 19:51 |
| debfx | in qca2 | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | it's checking if a byte and its next byte are the same? | 19:52 |
| debfx | yes, then it obviously can't be random :P | 19:52 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 19:53 |
| JontheEchidna | http://xkcd.com/221/ | 19:53 |
| JontheEchidna | obligatory xckd | 19:53 |
| debfx | that really makes me question if I want to run the test suite | 19:53 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: the unit test has probably been written in response to that xkcd :D | 19:54 |
| Quintasan | no seriously | 19:57 |
| Quintasan | WHY THE HELL DO I GET SEGFAULTS | 19:57 |
| yofel | run memcheck | 19:58 |
| Quintasan | huh? | 19:59 |
| Quintasan | once in libpthread-2.13.so[7f56bdc36000+18000] | 19:59 |
| Quintasan | dpkg got it at libperl.so.5.10.1[7fa7a76ad000+162000] | 19:59 |
| Quintasan | :/ | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: why do we need debdelta for a Neon CD? | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | also lol @ bzr > git | 20:00 |
| Quintasan | because if we ship neon live cd user will have to downloadan over 9000mb everyday even though he might not want it | 20:01 |
| Quintasan | debdelta will greatly reduce the downloading | 20:01 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: It'd have been funnier if the RFC reference was real. | 20:01 |
| Quintasan | rekonq crash! | 20:02 |
| Quintasan | yay | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | i wash my hands off rekonq :P | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: complaint to upstream | 20:02 |
| bambee | debfx: it's checking that the same object cannot return the same value twice, as it's random. (assuming it's an object which generates random values) | 20:05 |
| bambee | what is wrong ? | 20:05 |
| debfx | bambee: it fails if two subsequent random numbers are the same | 20:06 |
| debfx | that means the test fails every 256 time (assuming the rng is perfect) | 20:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Presumably the object has several random bytes. nextByte() would return the next byte in line, and advance to the next one which would be returned when you call it again | 20:11 |
| bambee | what does the method when there is no next byte? (because all of them have been used) | 20:14 |
| debfx | bambee: it's a PRNG that can generate an endless stream of bytes | 20:15 |
| bambee | PRNG ? | 20:15 |
| bambee | ohh | 20:16 |
| debfx | pseudorandom number generator | 20:16 |
| QuintasanDroid | yofel: I got 7 errors on memtest | 20:32 |
| QuintasanDroid | is it bad? | 20:32 |
| QuintasanDroid | well this is shit | 20:33 |
| QuintasanDroid | I bought this pc one year ago and it is breaking down | 20:33 |
| QuintasanDroid | lol | 20:33 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| QuintasanDroid | yofel: I got 7 errors on memtest | 20:34 |
| QuintasanDroid | is it bad? | 20:34 |
| yofel | well, any memory damage has potential of kernel doing nonsense and the filesystem writing crap to the disk | 20:34 |
| QuintasanDroid | it cant be repaired? | 20:34 |
| QuintasanDroid | :/ | 20:34 |
| QuintasanDroid | memory dying after one year | 20:34 |
| QuintasanDroid | wtf | 20:34 |
| ScottK | Memory is not the place to try and save money on a system. | 20:35 |
| yofel | not that I know of, I encountered the same case at a friends laptop, he thought he had a virus in windows until I ran memtest from a usb stick ^^ | 20:35 |
| QuintasanDroid | I did not save money on them | 20:35 |
| QuintasanDroid | I did not save money on any part of that computer | 20:35 |
| ScottK | Doubly unfortunate then. | 20:35 |
| QuintasanDroid | yet it breaks down :S | 20:36 |
| ScottK | Still under warranty? | 20:36 |
| yofel | thankfully it was a simply 1GiB DIMM | 20:36 |
| QuintasanDroid | ScottK: no idea, I'll have to look for the whole box | 20:36 |
| yofel | *simple | 20:36 |
| * QuintasanDroid put all papers inside | 20:36 | |
| QuintasanDroid | if its gone then Ill have to buy new ones | 20:36 |
| QuintasanDroid | oh well, I am going to bed | 20:37 |
| QuintasanDroid | good night | 20:37 |
| yofel | well, memory is affordable today. Be thankful you don't need to go back to year 2000 and get a 32MiB DIMM of EDO RAM | 20:37 |
| yofel | and gone.. | 20:37 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| ScottK | debfx: libdlrestrictions1 and libdlrestrictions-dev promoted. So we should get a kde4libs build starting in 80 minutes. | 21:21 |
| ScottK | kde4libs building now. | 23:00 |
| debfx | yay | 23:28 |
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