=== tazz_ is now known as tazz
shadeslayerdebfx: around?00:21
shadeslayerdebfx: Quintasan JontheEchidna i've pushed my kdelibs branch over here : https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdelibs/ubuntu00:40
shadeslayernow i'm off to study for my last couple of exams :)00:41
ScottKFYI, Bug #78970800:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 789708 in natty-backports "Please backport pkg-kde-tools 0.14.0ubuntu1 from Oneiric to Natty" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78970800:43
JontheEchidnathis is horrifying: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/28/ubuntu-uk-loco-cds/00:48
ScottKSomeone who lives on the relevant island should arrange a rescue.00:52
ScottKWhere is Riddell when you really need him?00:52
valorieAlanBell actually runs kubuntu, at least sometimes00:55
valoriehe's just exposing the hens to good computing!00:55
ScottKMaybe time for seaLne to the rescue ...00:56
ScottKSo it's definitely after 0001UTC, right?00:58
ScottKNo.  3 more minutes00:59
ScottKTwo even00:59
ScottKSo I can finish the KC election as soon as we hit Sunday UTC.01:00
valoriehow many voted, ScottK?01:01
* ScottK decides to wait an extra minute or two in case someone saw that and went "oops, forgot to votee."01:01
valoriethank you for running the election, btw01:02
ScottK34 of 57 eligible.01:02
ScottKNo problem.  The only annoying part was getting the email addresses out of LP.01:02
ScottKNo one voted in the last two or three days.01:02
valoriehmmm, just over half01:02
valorievoting like Americans01:03
ScottKNot bad considering many of them aren't very active anymore.01:03
ScottKOK.  Time.01:03
ScottKCongratulations apachelogger, JontheEchidna, and DarkwingDuck01:04
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Merging KDE 4.6.3 from Debian | Merges: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | TODO: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Congratulations to our re-elected overlords apachelogger and JontheEchidna and new overlord DarkwingDuck
* DarkwingDuck chuckles01:06
ScottKOK.  Results announced.01:14
ScottKDarkwingDuck: Since you're the newbie, you get to schedule a meeting for next week to review/approve specs and process any memberships.01:17
ScottKDoodle poll is the usual method.01:18
ScottKI mailed Riddell and asked him to adjust team membership.01:21
claydohw00t! congrats to apachelogger DarkwingDuck and JontheEchidna !!01:27
ScottKUnsubscribed from kubuntu-users ML.  If anyone from there bitches about the election and I need to know, someone please tell me.01:28
ScottKapachelogger: While your busy not setting up the ice cream magic on our arm boxes, would you please have a look at Bug #773062 and see if maybe there's a fix we can cherrypick for an SRU?01:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 773062 in cmake (Ubuntu) "cmake does not work well with ccache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77306201:31
claydohScottK: from the lack of any response to the poll om the -users list, should be no problem. Heck not many Kubuntu users in there imo lol02:04
claydohalso lack of response in the forums iirc as well, tho most there do use kubuntu  :D02:05
ScottKYeah, I didn't figure it was high risk to go ahead and unsubscribe.02:05
LinkmasterHey, popping in here for two things, first is, I wanted to say thanks for all your work on Kubuntu, its my favorite OS since I picked it up, so yeah. thanks!06:58
tsimpsonaww, seems no one likes poor old me :(07:34
tsimpsonbut seriously, congrats to apachelogger, DarkwingDuck and JontheEchidna :D07:34
yofelapachelogger, DarkwingDuck, JontheEchidna: congratulations :D08:12
bambeeJontheEchidna: when you write "in bzr" on merges.u.c , what do you mean ? I don't find these packages into our repositories (kubuntu-ninjas, kubuntu-ppa)09:25
yofelthat should be lp:~kubuntu-packagers/<package>/ubuntu09:27
yofelbzr means bzr, not PPA09:27
bambeeah o_O09:34
bambeethat's why I did not find them... xD09:34
Quintasanapachelogger, JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: Grats09:35
QuintasanScottK: Thanks for running the elections10:04
apacheloggerdebfx, ScottK: what package were you talking about WRT update-alternatives > dpkg-divert and debconf?10:41
debfxapachelogger: kdesudo10:41
bambeeapachelogger, JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: congrats btw ;)10:41
debfxbut I think we should keep update-alternatives10:41
apacheloggeruhm, overlord again \o/10:42
* apachelogger hugs the members10:42
apacheloggerdebfx: we are upstream to debian, if debian thinks diverging from upstraem is good then that is not our fault :P10:47
apacheloggerincidentially there is a good reason for using update-alternatives ... try looking for divert kdesudo on launchpad bugs10:48
apacheloggerthere are approx 5000000 of those10:48
apacheloggerthere constantly went stuff wrong, making the kdebase/runtime upgrade fail ever so often10:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: congrats10:58
bambeethe debian version for kdenetwork contains this .install file http://paste.ubuntu.com/614523/12:21
bambeehowever, these files are not built and do not exist in debian/tmp/ o_O12:21
bambee(fileshare_propsdlgplugin.so and kcm_kcmsambaconf.so for example)12:22
bambeeand the only patch in debian/patches has nothing to do with that... wtf ?12:22
debfxafaik we have backported samba related stuff form 4.712:24
apacheloggerScottK: that cmake bug looks like fun btw12:49
apacheloggeralso I do not think it is a cmake issue at all12:50
apacheloggeror perhaps it is, but only partially12:50
apacheloggerin particular it is probably falling over the fact that cxx has a cmd and a arg, which generally speaking of course is a bit of a bogus situation12:51
apacheloggergcc got three args with -d12:55
apacheloggercmake does not call either12:55
* apachelogger runs cmake with tracing12:56
apachelogger/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake(32):  EXECUTE_PROCESS(COMMAND dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH OUTPUT_VARIABLE CMAKE_ARCH_TRIPLET OUTPUT_STRIP_TRAILING_WHITESPACE )12:57
apachelogger   Called from: [4]/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/Platform/UnixPaths.cmake12:57
apachelogger                [3]/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/Platform/Linux.cmake12:57
apachelogger                [2]/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/CMakeSystemSpecificInformation.cmake12:57
apachelogger                [1]/home/me/src/git/libechonest/CMakeLists.txt12:57
apachelogger/usr/bin/ccache: invalid option -- 'd'12:57
apachelogger5 bucks that call comes from a patch12:57
debfxeh, why do we have a security patch from 2009 in kde4libs that is not applied upstream :O12:57
apacheloggerme@osiris:/tmp/cmake-2.8.4+dfsg.1$ grep -ri dpkg-architecture .12:57
apachelogger./debian/patches/ubuntu_multiarch_library_directory.diff:+EXECUTE_PROCESS(COMMAND dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH OUTPUT_VARIABLE CMAKE_ARCH_TRIPLET OUTPUT_STRIP_TRAILING_WHITESPACE)12:57
apacheloggerjr strikes again :P12:58
debfxwhat's wrong with it?12:58
apacheloggerwell, it causes ccache -dumpmachine to be called12:59
apacheloggerleading to an eror in ccache12:59
apacheloggeras obviously the call should be ccache gcc -dumpinfo12:59
apacheloggerdebfx: perhaps the patch was applied differently upstream?13:01
debfxit wasn't applied at all, upstream doesn't care about multiarch (yet?)13:01
debfxhow does ccache hook into the buildsystem? does it modify $PATH?13:03
apacheloggeryou set a new CXX and CC env var13:05
apacheloggerdebfx: multiarch is something gcc, that should totally be implemented in cmake upstream13:06
apacheloggerfor some reason dpkg-architecture calls:13:06
apacheloggerexecve("/bin/sh", ["sh", "-c", "${CC:-gcc} -dumpmachine"], [/* 50 vars */]) = 013:06
apacheloggerresulting in13:06
apacheloggerexecve("/usr/bin/ccache", ["/usr/bin/ccache", "-dumpmachine"], [/* 50 vars */]) = 013:06
apacheloggerwhich then produces crap outs13:06
apacheloggerI believe cmake pokes the env around a bit13:08
apacheloggerI know that it definitely stores CC/CXX as a combo of command + argN13:08
apacheloggerso if cmake were to set its envrionemnt so that CC only contains the command and no the arg (which is generally sane behaviour I suppose), that would screw over the poor old dpkg-architecture13:09
debfxmerging is so confusing :/13:21
bambeedebfx: I was talking about this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/614543/ ?13:35
debfxbambee: yes, that patch clearly removes those kcms13:37
debfxkde4libs is almost ready13:41
bambeedebfx: I know, but this is the patch commited into kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu :D13:42
bambeelook at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_05_samba_sharing.diff then13:42
bambee- should be replaced by + I guess13:43
debfxwhy is that?13:46
debfxbut it reminds me, we need to adapt that patch to call qapt13:46
debfxbambee: that patch removes some old crappy kcms and adds a new plugin13:48
yofeldoes someone know if there's a reason kdesdk is built against an explicit version of boost in kubuntu?14:00
bambeedebfx: ohh I understood. the debian kdenetwork-filesharing.install is too old14:03
bambeedebian kde team did not backport this patch ?14:04
bambeewell apparently not14:08
yofelwe added that ourselves, ask them if they want the patch14:09
yofelthey might not even know it exists14:10
apacheloggerc2tarun: Tarun K. Mall (c2tarun) has accepted the invitation to make Kubuntu14:14
apacheloggerMobile Team (kubuntu-mobile) a member of UBUNTU - AL (linux-traipu).14:14
c2tarunapachelogger: actually I dont exactly know what is it. I thought you guys are starting something new14:14
yofelall ninjas are kubuntu-mobile admins for some reason, you usually shouldn't touch it14:15
apacheloggerc2tarun: in that case you probably should not touch things?14:15
c2tarunyofel, apachelogger: sorrrryyy :(14:16
c2tarunapachelogger: sorry, this question might be irrelevant for this channel, but I dont know where to ask. being a KDE-developer is there a way to directly contribute to kubuntu?14:17
apacheloggeryofel: can you undo this, because I can't for one reason or another14:18
yofellet me try...14:18
apacheloggerrbelem: could you please transfer ownership of ~kubuntu-mobile to kubuntu-members or kubuntu-council14:18
apacheloggerhm, kubuntu-kdesudo also could use an ownership change14:21
apacheloggerwgrant: can you poke https://launchpad.net/~linux-traipu in the nose or something for inviting half of launchpad teams to become member?14:22
yofelmeh, I don't get how to leave the team either :S14:23
apacheloggerkubuntu-dev and kubuntu-ninjas are admin of kubuntu-mobile14:23
apacheloggerthat is bogus14:23
yofelat least make that members, not ninjas. Ninjas have nothing to do with -mobile14:24
apacheloggerquite frankly I do not see the point in having members be admin14:25
apacheloggerdev and council  as admin should be sufficient, members as member of the team14:25
apacheloggerthere is big issue of trust with the ninjas team as anyone willing enough can become member, thus having ninjas have access to anything official direclty is a dangerous thing IMHO14:26
apacheloggeryofel: I think launchpad has a usability fail ^^14:27
apacheloggerah well14:28
apacheloggerkubuntu-members membership is not even necessary14:29
apacheloggerkubuntu-mobile has no branches14:29
apacheloggerso other than a sense of belonging therewould not be much gain14:29
apacheloggeryofel: http://www.mail-archive.com/launchpad-users@lists.launchpad.net/msg01646.html14:30
yofelI'm getting tired of the answer to crappy usability being "But rest assured, you can do it by API!" *-.-14:31
* apachelogger files launchpad question14:33
* ryanakca thinks the admin of the UBUNTU - AL team needs a talking to. I don't understand why he's invited some twenty or so unrelated teams to join.14:36
apacheloggerdebfx: how about we retire kdesudo and make kdesu work properly instead?14:38
apacheloggerryanakca: interestingly enough I believe this very much a scam14:39
bambeehttps://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kdenetwork/debian-merge-4.6  <--- Do I propose a merge ? (into kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu)14:39
yofelbambee: changelog is crap14:40
apacheloggerryanakca: calling the team a loco while it is not actually a loco is not very reassuring14:40
apacheloggeralso the excessive use of capslock even though it is not capslockday makes me eyes burn14:41
bambeeyofel: I need to merge the debian changelog too ? (at least for 4.6.3)14:41
yofela) you didn't use merge-changelog b) junk my UNRELEASED changelog and keep what's necessary from there14:41
bambeeI don't know what merge-changelog is14:43
* bambee slaps himself and installs ubuntu-dev-tools ^^14:45
yofela script that merges the ubuntu changelog with the debian changelog14:45
yofelso the changelog entries are in the right order14:46
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bambeeyofel: done15:12
ryanakcaapachelogger: *nod*15:13
yofelbambee: remove my 4.6.3-0ubuntu1 changelog and add what you think is needed from there to your changelog15:13
yofelbambee: you didn't keep any of our changes?15:13
bambeeI kept our changes15:14
yofelyour changelog doesn't say that, see 4:4.5.2-0ubuntu1 changelog15:14
yofelyou changelog entry should list all changes between our package and the debian one15:15
debfxapachelogger: upstream kdesu is quite scary15:19
debfxso I guess we'll drop the patch numbering as well to be consistent with debian15:22
yofelwas just wondering the same as I'm merging kdesdk patches right now15:25
yofelso from kubuntu_01_name to kubuntu_name ?15:26
debfxyofel: yep15:26
bambeeyofel: something like that ? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bambi/kdenetwork/debian-merge-4.6/view/head:/debian/changelog :)15:40
yofelchange "Merge with Debian git remaining changes" into "Merge with Debian. Remaining changes:" - this is a regular merge, not from git.15:42
yofelalso remove Taruns changes, all of that was done in debian. Also drop my first entry15:42
yofelbambee: why do you have "- Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.2; no changes needed." in your changelog o.O?15:43
bambeeI just merged this change from debian15:43
bambeedon't know :\15:43
yofelurgh, you misunderstood something. Your changelog should have all changes that WE applied to the DEBIAN package15:44
yofelmeaning the diff between 4.6.3-1 and 4.6.3-1ubuntu115:44
yofelsince you used the debian package and applied all changes that we want to keep to it15:45
bambeeyofel: I just added changes from debian into our package. so there are no remaining changes. All our previous changes are listed in this changelog15:52
bambee(like our patches)15:52
yofelwhich means you did the wrong way, you don't apply the debian changes to our package, you take the debian package and apply our changes to it15:53
yofelsince the ideal case would be dumping our package and using the debian one15:53
yofelso start with: pull-debian-source kdenetwork15:54
yofeland apply our changes to the package15:54
bambeeno I downloaded our changes (ie bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu), compute differences between kdenetwork/ubuntu and kdenetwork/debian and apply these changes into kdenetwork/ubuntu (into my own branch) 15:55
bambees/our changes/ our debian directory/15:55
kubotubambee meant: "no I downloaded  our debian directory (ie bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu), compute differences between kdenetwork/ubuntu and kdenetwork/debian and apply these changes into kdenetwork/ubuntu (into my own branch)"15:55
yofelhm, meaning you took the diff, threw our debian/ folder away and applied the diff to the debain/ folder from debian and then commited that into bzr?15:56
shadeslayerdebfx: yeah, i was wondering why the CVE wasn't applied upstream15:56
yofelwell, let me look at the other files, but at least the changelog is wrong15:57
* debfx uploads kde4libs15:59
bambeeyofel: basically, I did "diff -u <our_debian_dir_from_kubuntu> <the_real_debian_dir_from_debian.org>", I only took the interesting changes, and then I applied them to our debian (from kubuntu)15:59
shadeslayerdebfx: anything else that needed changing?16:00
yofelbambee: wrong way, you take the diff, and apply anything interesting to the debian folder (from DEBIAN!!)16:00
shadeslayer( that diff is HUGE )16:00
yofelwe want the debian package, except whatever changes we really need to keep16:00
shadeslayerbambee: you should read the merging procedure on the wiki :)16:01
shadeslayermerging is one PITA16:02
yofelyeah, spent half the day merging kdesdk :/16:02
shadeslayerthere are like a bazillion things that can go wrong16:02
shadeslayeryofel: i spent 2 nights on kde4libs xD16:02
yofelyeah, I noticed that much16:03
shadeslayerand now i'm all sorts of unprepared for tommorows exam :P16:03
shadeslayerdebfx: did you push to bzr as well?16:04
shadeslayerand kdelibs bzr needs upgrading btw16:04
debfxshadeslayer: I had to change quite a few things16:04
yofelto what?16:04
shadeslayeryofel: newer bzr format16:04
shadeslayerdebfx: oh .. minor/major mistakes?16:05
bambeeshadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging ?16:05
shadeslayerbambee: yes16:05
shadeslayernp :)16:05
* yofel backports pkg-kde-tools for natty into ninjas16:06
shadeslayeryofel: wait, wasn't pkg-kde-tools going into backports?16:06
yofelI said ninjas, put it wherever you want later16:06
bambeesorry but.. if we apply the above changes to the debian folder from debian.org... why commit them into bzr ?16:07
yofelbut I can't testbuild anything right now with natty having too old pkg-kde-tools and oneiric not having all 4.6.3 deps for kdesdk right now16:07
shadeslayeryofel: no i mean, pkg-kde-tools was going into ubuntu-backports16:07
* bambee is reading the wiki16:07
yofelah, I don't have that enabled here, lemme check16:07
shadeslayerafaik it's not been uploaded to ubuntu-backports yet16:07
yofelit's not, and I need it now16:08
debfxshadeslayer: that's the diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614581/16:10
shadeslayerdebfx: diff from my merge? or diff from debian?16:11
debfxfrom your merge16:11
shadeslayer( my internet connection is complete crap right now )16:11
yofelwhy did you drop the kde4libs (4:4.4.1-1) experimental; urgency=low entry? or was that twice in there?16:13
debfxyofel: yes16:13
shadeslayerdebfx: why did you remove the install icons line from debian/rules?16:17
debfxshadeslayer: they aren't used anymore16:17
debfxthe patch that needed them has been long disabled and I've dropped it completely now16:17
shadeslayerah okay16:18
yofelhm, our pbuilder list missing hook still depends on cdbs16:21
yofelapachelogger: can you fix that? ^16:21
apacheloggeryes, I do not have time though16:24
apacheloggerit is not like it matters much, is it?16:25
yofeltrue, take your timem16:26
DarkwingDuckDo the Kubuntu meeting notices get sent to kubuntu-users as well as kubuntu-devel?17:12
JontheEchidnajust -devel17:15
DarkwingDuckThank ye. JontheEchidna mind looking at the doodle to ensure I idn't mess this up too bad before I send it? :D17:16
DarkwingDuckI'm not sure how timezones work with doodle... 17:17
DarkwingDuckI copied the times for meeting from the last one AFAIK17:17
JontheEchidnaiirc it's UTC17:17
* DarkwingDuck nods17:17
DarkwingDuckI didn't know if Doodle autochanged for timezone17:18
DarkwingDuckWhat times does it show for you?17:18
JontheEchidna3-12 PM17:18
yofelhere too17:19
debfxDarkwingDuck: afaik you need to enable timezone support when creating the poll17:19
DarkwingDuckdebfx: I went back through the settings, I can't find a TZ support anymore... Those are the same times that the last poll was. 17:22
debfxDarkwingDuck: it's on the time suggestions page17:23
debfxScottK: kde4libs is waiting on libdlrestrictions now. since when is the MIR team so pedantic about binary package promotions?17:26
JontheEchidnaprobably when a binary packages controls library loading17:28
DarkwingDuckdebfx: http://imagebin.org/155768 not there anymore.17:36
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: looking at your merge, Kubuntu Developers should be kept as the maintainer with Debian Qt/KDE as the XSBC-Original-Maintainer17:36
yofelJontheEchidna: debfx already merged kdelibs17:37
* debfx forgot to push :(17:37
debfxDarkwingDuck: is it there when you create a new poll?17:37
DarkwingDuckdebfx: no.17:38
JontheEchidnaoh, ok17:38
DarkwingDuckdebfx: It used to be... that's what confused me.17:38
debfxDarkwingDuck: it's still there for me: http://i.imgur.com/50v11.png17:39
DarkwingDuckdebfx: nevermind, it's there. I'm rebuilding17:39
DarkwingDuckthe times are listed in UTC Correct?17:40
DarkwingDuckahhh, this is better (I think)17:41
DarkwingDuckThese times look better? http://www.doodle.com/nvfgrvpg6p2vzqpp17:41
JontheEchidna11 AM to 8 PM17:42
JontheEchidnaoffset 4 hours from the last numbers, so it looks pretty UTC17:43
DarkwingDuckSo, it's supposed to be 11A to 8P UTC? 17:44
JontheEchidnaI think so. Those look like pretty sane times for me17:45
DarkwingDuckJontheEchidna: one more shot eh? http://www.doodle.com/diamdzurqp87app617:47
JontheEchidnaah, yeah. Better. Come to think of it I am -5 UTC, not -417:48
JontheEchidnathe confusing bit is that in daylight savings we're -417:48
DarkwingDuck:D 17:48
JontheEchidnaor something17:48
DarkwingDuckOkay, I'll use that last one.17:48
yofelburn DST with fire17:48
DarkwingDuckDST is so dumb17:49
JontheEchidnaArizona is about the only sane state in the US, in regards to DST (or the lack thereof)17:50
JontheEchidnaUnfortunately they're a bit crazy in other regards :P17:50
DarkwingDuckArizona, Hawaii and half of Indiana17:51
DarkwingDuckSup QuintasanDroid 17:53
* QuintasanDroid reinstalls Natty17:54
QuintasanDroidutterly borken here17:54
QuintasanDroidsigsegvs on everything17:54
QuintasanDroidsigoops on apt17:55
* QuintasanDroid needs to spin his own mix of Kubuntu17:55
QuintasanDroidshadeslayer: do you know any tools to remaster CD?17:56
QuintasanDroidthey have to work unlike remastersys17:56
shadeslayerQuintasanDroid: you just download the cd -> extract it and chroot into it17:57
shadeslayerand do whatever you want then :)17:57
QuintasanDroidchroot into squashfs you mean?17:58
QuintasanDroidand then I put it back into iso?17:58
shadeslayerone sec17:58
shadeslayerQuintasanDroid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization17:59
shadeslayerQuintasanDroid: you use mkisofs and point it to your extacted chroot17:59
shadeslayerQuintasanDroid: in that guide, "sudo mksquashfs edit extract-cd/casper/filesystem.squashfs -nolzma" won't work, use the command below that18:00
ScottKdebfx: Dunno.  If that's all it needs, upload it and let it FTBFS and then I'll bit more.18:03
debfxScottK: I've already uploaded, it's in dep-wait18:04
ScottKdebfx: Great.18:05
* QuintasanDroid will spin Ultimate Kubuntu18:06
QuintasanDroidshadeslayer: if, by any chance we get debdelta support in Launchpad this year, we are spinning Neon LiveCD18:08
QuintasanDroidNO WAY18:08
QuintasanDroidinstaller crashed at grub install18:09
QuintasanDroidit is the official iso18:09
ScottKapachelogger: I already complained to LP people.  They told me to go see the Community Council (re the team spam).  Someone should do that.18:12
* QuintasanDroid notes that GRUB is broken on CD18:12
* QuintasanDroid wonders why that was not sorted out18:13
DarkwingDuckGrub is broken?18:15
QuintasanDroidinstaller crashed at it18:15
QuintasanDroidand manually running the command yelps around about aufs18:15
DarkwingDuckhmmz, 18:15
QuintasanDroidthat was reported already18:15
QuintasanDroidthough there is no known fix18:15
QuintasanDroidworkaround is to chroot18:16
* QuintasanDroid cant boot his install18:16
ScottKQuintasanDroid: I find people have no end of trouble with 64 bit desktops.  I say don't bother.18:16
QuintasanDroidusing 32 bit is not acceptable workaround18:17
ScottKdebfx: I've begged for libdlrestrictions1 and libdlrestrictions-dev to be promoted.  Now we'll see.18:17
DarkwingDuckOnly issue I had with grub is when I tried to install on hardware RAID.18:17
DarkwingDuckI had to disable HDW RAID from BIOS to install with a software RAID18:17
debfxScottK: you've gone that far? :)18:17
ScottKBegged is probably a little strong, but I did ask.18:17
* QuintasanDroid curses his computer18:17
* DarkwingDuck has a vision of Scott on his knees18:18
QuintasanDroidDarkwingDuck: That's not happening :P18:19
DarkwingDuckQuintasanDroid: Oh I know... He said begged and that flashed in my mind for a moment. But, I'm sure that stern look with a expressionless face is more like it.18:19
QuintasanDroidnot many people can make ScottK so powerless, he wields wide influence18:20
QuintasanDroidI mean, you see ScottK wanting something and that gets done asap :P18:20
ScottKUnfortunately this one thing you can't do unless you are employed by Canonical.  It requires shell access in their data center.18:21
DarkwingDuckScottK: Ahhh18:21
ScottKThe is where the lack of jr really hurts.18:21
DarkwingDuckOr another employee that works with Kubuntu that knows someone.18:21
QuintasanDroidshadeslayer: ping18:22
QuintasanDroidshadeslayer: go to #bzr, wave at Riddell and sent him link to the oom bug in LP when importing branches18:23
QuintasanDroidand run18:23
QuintasanDroidno, seriously18:24
QuintasanDroidnoone wants to have anything in common with bzr on LP18:24
QuintasanDroidbzr > git18:25
* QuintasanDroid hides18:25
* DarkwingDuck snickers18:25
* DarkwingDuck waits for someone to pop up for OPS18:25
QuintasanDroidDarkwingDuck: You dont want to get in apachelogger's line of fire when he sees the statement above18:26
QuintasanDroidI need to get this retarded hardware sorted out asap18:27
QuintasanDroidwhy it wont boot after a power off? -_-18:27
QuintasanDroidI can soft reboot it18:27
QuintasanDroidif I power it off and on again18:27
QuintasanDroidI get no POST, no display, no power on USB18:28
QuintasanDroidbut fans turn normally and hardware gets power18:28
QuintasanDroidif I wait 20 minutes or so18:28
QuintasanDroidand then power it on18:28
QuintasanDroidthen it works18:28
QuintasanDroidstupid, isnt it.?18:28
* apachelogger smacks QuintasanDroid with IL (δ, ω , if eq?(IX(delta, env, P redArg1(exp)), IX(delta, env, P redArg2(exp)))then IX(delta, env, T henP art(exp)) else IX(delta, env, ElseP art(exp))) = IL (δ, ω , IX(delta, env, ElseP art(exp))18:29
QuintasanDroidwhat the hell?18:29
QuintasanDroiddont tell me thats GIT source code18:29
DarkwingDuckQuintasanDroid: I think you just got hit by a driveby18:31
tsimpsonI never did like functional programming18:31
* QuintasanDroid hurls the aforementioned equation back at apachelogger18:31
apacheloggernow you asked for it18:31
apacheloggerQuintasanDroid: IL (δ, ω , IX(delta, env, [CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]])) =IL (δ, ω , DoCall(delta, omega, [CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]])) =IL (δ, ω , IX(delta, NewEnv(F ormP ar(delta, F N P art([CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]])), EvalList(delta, env, ArgP art([CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]]))), Body(delta, F N P art([CALL GGT [IV S X1][IV S X2]]))))18:31
apacheloggerincidentially enough GGT = GCD in german18:32
apacheloggerso if I pasted the other 300 lines of interpretation you'd have something useful18:32
* QuintasanDroid hurls it back at apachelogger anyways18:33
QuintasanDroidbleh, this looks worse than pyth0rn18:33
DarkwingDuckCongrats apachelogger 18:33
jussiQuintasanDroid: apachelogger have your units hsipped yet? 18:34
apacheloggerfor making a language worse than pyth0rn, I am not sure that is something you should congratulate people on18:34
QuintasanDroidjussi: Do not kid me, it will stay at least a week at Polish customs office :/18:34
DarkwingDuckno silly, re-election18:34
* QuintasanDroid 's package got from Japan to Poland in 3 days18:35
apacheloggeractually it is a much saner language, as it reduces only to integers, predicates, conditionals and lists18:35
QuintasanDroidit was being held at customs for 3 weeks18:35
QuintasanDroidjussi: ^ Magic of Poland18:35
QuintasanDroidjussi: I am not able to track the package now since my Kubuntu is borked18:36
yofelreinstall asap18:36
yofelmore like now18:36
QuintasanDroidit wont boot after install18:37
* QuintasanDroid will try recovery mode in 20 minutes18:37
yofelthe only issues I had with natty and installing was a kernel oops when starting parted and there is a existing btrfs somewhere in sight18:37
yofelother than that it worked fine18:38
QuintasanDroidno btrfs here18:38
QuintasanDroidext4 on root18:38
DarkwingDuckQuintasanDroid: What about installing Grub from LiveCD?18:38
QuintasanDroidDarkwingDuck: it is broken18:38
* yofel alwasys chroots so he never hit *that* bug18:38
QuintasanDroidyou need to chroot from LiveCD to install it18:38
DarkwingDuckQuintasanDroid: http://bit.ly/91F2wh18:40
DarkwingDuckQuintasanDroid: You don't *have* to chroot to do it.18:40
QuintasanDroidyou do lol18:40
QuintasanDroidotherwise I get cannot stat 'aufs' module18:41
jussiapachelogger: you may want to reply to the mail on the -devel list (ubuntuone kde). The guy could do with a little help by the looks of things, and Id say you would have a couple of answers? 18:42
JontheEchidnajussi: oh! I have a joke for you18:44
jussiJontheEchidna: oh no... :P18:44
JontheEchidnajussi: What does Mortal Kombat and a church in Helinski have in common?18:45
jussino idea...18:45
JontheEchidnaFinnish Hymn!18:45
* yofel didn't get that...18:47
* QuintasanDroid makes his install lighter via chroot18:48
JontheEchidnaWhen you've almost killed somebody in the game Mortal Kombat, the announcer says "Finish him!"18:48
JontheEchidnaIn a church in Finland, you would most likely sing Finnish Hymns18:48
ScottKDarkwingDuck: It needs to be an employee who's also an archive admin.18:52
DarkwingDuckScottK: I'll remember that if I land this job.18:56
ScottKdebfx: Was there anything from the kde4libs merge that needs to go back to Debian?18:57
ScottKIf so, I think MoDaX wants us just to commit to git.18:57
debfxScottK: no, except maybe some patches18:59
debfxbut that needs investigating18:59
ScottKOK.  Someone should do that ...19:00
apacheloggerjussi: no shipping yet, also that mail on -devel requires looking into the code, otherwise I could only guess, and that guess would be a) API change on the server b) no auth19:06
jussiapachelogger: ooh, mines already in .de :)19:07
jussior in transit from .de...19:07
debfxkubuntu_cmake_install_paths.diff: can probably be dropped. kde sequence should take care of that. changelog doesn't even mention the patch ...19:07
jussiMay 29, 2011 3:15 AM Departed FedEx location KOELN DE19:07
apacheloggerwell, I only ordered on friday... ;)19:08
debfxkubuntu_CVE-2009-2702.diff: needs investigating why it's not upstream19:08
ubottuKDE KSSL in kdelibs 3.5.4, 4.2.4, and 4.3 does not properly handle a '\0' character in a domain name in the Subject Alternative Name field of an X.509 certificate, which allows man-in-the-middle attackers to spoof arbitrary SSL servers via a crafted certificate issued by a legitimate Certification Authority, a related issue to CVE-2009-2408. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-2702)19:08
QuintasanDroidit works19:09
debfxkubuntu_useragent.diff: could be changed to use dpkg-vendor or something19:10
=== Tm_K is now known as Tm_T
debfxthe rest are backports or can't go to debian19:12
debfxapparently we have that cve from fedora19:16
debfxand the fedora spec file says: "Not Upstreamed? why not ? -- Rex"19:16
ScottKMaybe rdieter knows by now?19:18
ScottKIn any case it sounds like worth pushing to Debian with the CVE reference.19:19
debfxdebian closed the CVe bug saying it's fixed in version 4.3.219:20
ScottKI have a vague recollection of this.19:20
ScottKI think it used to be a larger patch.  Part went upstream and part they didn't take.19:20
ScottKENOCLUE why.19:20
apacheloggerdebfx: how would dpkg-vendor be useful there?19:20
ScottKI'm probably guilty of cargo culting the patch along.19:21
ScottKapachelogger: Your cmake/ccache commentary was TLDR.  What was the bottom line?19:21
debfxapachelogger: then we could push it to debian (if they are interested)19:21
apacheloggerScottK: I made two comments, the latter is the bottom line19:21
ScottKIn the bug?19:22
apacheloggerno way to SRU because it is not even clear what exactly breaks it19:22
apacheloggerI mean, a patch breaks it, but other than that little is known19:22
JontheEchidnaI think keeping  a CVE patch unnecessarily is much better than accidentally removing it19:22
JontheEchidnae.g. no so much cargo culting19:22
apacheloggerwhat we know is that dpkg-architecture causes the fail, why exactly it does that is the big unkown19:22
apacheloggerNightrose: apparently the calligra member of my team of awesome made a pitstop in our channel of awesome for like 6 hrs, without saying anything though ;)19:24
apacheloggernot that I had been awake between 0:22 and 6:3819:24
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: project neon question in #kubuntu19:49
JontheEchidna[14:48:01] <BajK> when I install Project Neon it installs to /opt, so I can just run sudo /opt/project-neon/bin/kdm and I can use the KDE master?19:49
debfxunit test of the day: QCOMPARE( randObject.nextByte() == randObject.nextByte(), false );19:51
debfxin qca219:52
JontheEchidnait's checking if a byte and its next byte are the same?19:52
debfxyes, then it obviously can't be random :P19:52
JontheEchidnaobligatory xckd19:53
debfxthat really makes me question if I want to run the test suite19:53
debfxJontheEchidna: the unit test has probably been written in response to that xkcd :D19:54
Quintasanno seriously19:57
yofelrun memcheck19:58
Quintasanonce in libpthread-2.13.so[7f56bdc36000+18000]19:59
Quintasandpkg got it at libperl.so.5.10.1[7fa7a76ad000+162000]19:59
shadeslayerQuintasan: why do we need debdelta for a Neon CD?20:00
shadeslayeralso lol @ bzr > git20:00
Quintasanbecause if we ship neon live cd user will have to downloadan over 9000mb everyday even though he might not want it20:01
Quintasandebdelta will greatly reduce the downloading20:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: It'd have been funnier if the RFC reference was real.20:01
Quintasanrekonq crash!20:02
shadeslayeri wash my hands off rekonq :P20:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: complaint to upstream20:02
bambeedebfx: it's checking that the same object cannot return the same value twice, as it's random. (assuming it's an object which generates random values)20:05
bambeewhat is wrong ?20:05
debfxbambee: it fails if two subsequent random numbers are the same20:06
debfxthat means the test fails every 256 time (assuming the rng is perfect)20:07
JontheEchidnaPresumably the object has several random bytes. nextByte() would return the next byte in line, and advance to the next one which would be returned when you call it again20:11
bambeewhat does the method when there is no next byte? (because all of them have been used)20:14
debfxbambee: it's a PRNG that can generate an endless stream of bytes20:15
bambeePRNG ?20:15
debfxpseudorandom number generator20:16
QuintasanDroidyofel: I got 7 errors on memtest20:32
QuintasanDroidis it bad?20:32
QuintasanDroidwell this is shit20:33
QuintasanDroidI bought this pc one year ago and it is breaking down20:33
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
QuintasanDroidyofel: I got 7 errors on memtest20:34
QuintasanDroidis it bad?20:34
yofelwell, any memory damage has potential of kernel doing nonsense and the filesystem writing crap to the disk20:34
QuintasanDroidit cant be repaired?20:34
QuintasanDroidmemory dying after one year20:34
ScottKMemory is not the place to try and save money on a system.20:35
yofelnot that I know of, I encountered the same case at a friends laptop, he thought he had a virus in windows until I ran memtest from a usb stick ^^20:35
QuintasanDroidI did not save money on them20:35
QuintasanDroidI did not save money on any part of that computer20:35
ScottKDoubly unfortunate then.20:35
QuintasanDroidyet it breaks down :S20:36
ScottKStill under warranty?20:36
yofelthankfully it was a simply 1GiB DIMM20:36
QuintasanDroidScottK: no idea, I'll have to look for the whole box20:36
* QuintasanDroid put all papers inside20:36
QuintasanDroidif its gone then Ill have to buy new ones20:36
QuintasanDroidoh well, I am going to bed20:37
QuintasanDroidgood night20:37
yofelwell, memory is affordable today. Be thankful you don't need to go back to year 2000 and get a 32MiB DIMM of EDO RAM20:37
yofeland gone..20:37
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
ScottKdebfx: libdlrestrictions1 and libdlrestrictions-dev promoted.  So we should get a kde4libs build starting in 80 minutes.21:21
ScottKkde4libs building now.23:00

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