[00:02] i wish someone would hurry up and develop a konsole plasmoid widget [00:03] id love a little 4x4 konsole in my sidebar [00:05] Linkmaster: What is the one thing in Windows that is not made for Linux? [00:05] AutoCad [00:06] BluesKaj: You do programming already [00:06] DarkriftX: you can do that with Cairo-dock technically, and I've seen konsole widgets before..though, since I'm working with Qt, I might make one myself [00:07] DarkriftX: Plasmoid is a plasma widget for all purposes you care about [00:07] i was sure it could be, but i never see any when im browsing the kde-look site [00:08] DarkriftX: Still want to know about uninstalling something from source? [00:08] nah, i got it figured out [00:08] turns out i still had the folder [00:09] thx though [00:09] my system is nice and stable once again after a failed distupgrade [00:09] im happy now [00:10] one of these days im really going to delve into sed [00:10] DarkriftX: You can install something selfcontained then you don't need hte source code to uninstall it [00:10] thats good to know [00:11] what do i do differently than "sudo make install" [00:12] Daskreech: I could be wrong though, but I haven't seen a native AutoCad/Desk/inventor/whatnot that is made for Linux. === mint is now known as Guest42599 [00:13] Linkmaster: i think there is some stuff in the repos but not 100% sure [00:13] i remmeber seeing them and thinking they cant be that good [00:13] DarkriftX: ./configure --prefix=/place/you/want/program [00:14] Daskreech: nice [00:14] Hm..I'll take a look then. though when I mean Auto*, I'm talking something almost as good as they are. Perhaps better [00:14] Linkmaster: There isn't. I can't even think of a good FOSS replacement [00:14] Daskreech: didn't think so, which is sad.. [00:14] there are tons of "cad" apps, but they prob suck [00:15] Very I'm sure lots of Architects would jump to linux if they supported large scale technical drawings and plotters [00:15] ok, not tons [00:15] 3 [00:15] freeCAD, pyCAD, sagCAD [00:15] lol [00:15] DarkriftX: CAn You get me a list? [00:15] DarkriftX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [00:16] xD but I'm positive they'd flock over, since Windows is currently the only OS that has good Auto* stuff [00:16] Linkmaster: You mean good *CAD stuff [00:16] thats all in the repos have, there might be more [00:16] I'm pretty sure they don't care very much about the Auto* [00:16] well, like..I mean auto* stuff, since its auto[blank] that makes all the different versions at the moment. If there came out a FOSS version of it, that'd be nice :P [00:18] DarkriftX: have you tried yakuake? [00:18] what is that? [00:18] I think that's what you want as a console replacement [00:18] i dont want a replacement [00:18] ok [00:18] i want a widget that gives me a tiny konsole for my sidebar [00:18] 4"x4" [00:18] or so [00:19] ah [00:19] cool [00:19] so i can run little things here and there without having to sort through the 3-5 konsole windows i have in the background [00:19] so you can see how the build is proceeding, etc? [00:19] DarkriftX: if I get the skills fast enough, I'll make you one [00:19] you know that you can tab Konsole, right? [00:19] Linkmaster: awesome [00:19] control alt T [00:19] yes, i do that but most of my 3-5 konsole windows have 3-5 tabs each [00:19] lol [00:19] yeah, tabbing is what I do...though I end up sorting through 7 tabs Dx [00:20] i do most of my computing via cli [00:20] Nice! [00:20] but xchat and my browser take up lots of my screen [00:20] you could stack them all on another workspace window [00:20] and i hate having to flip back and forth between windows or desktops [00:20] ah [00:20] so i have konsoles that fit certain areas of my screen so i can have one open at any time and only block one app [00:21] I only use two workspaces, and one of them rots during the summer. I have schoolwork stuff[libreoffice, okular, etc.] and everything else goes in my 'main' desktop [00:21] i have one that is the same size and position as my browser, one that is the same as xchat, etc [00:21] Sounds like you've really worked this one out [00:21] I usually only use one, and just minimize most of the stuff [00:21] that way i can have xchat and browser, or xchat and konsole [00:21] or i can have browser and xchat or browser and konsole [00:22] if im asking for help in here i dont want to keep minimizing windows to run commands [00:22] or if im googling for commands, i dont want the same [00:23] Hi folks. I'm having trouble getting a usb installer to boot on my netbook. The usb key boots on my laptop, but I haven't been able to get the netbook to recognize it. [00:23] I know I've booted to a usb key before on this netbook, though, to install the last version of kubuntu I put on here. [00:23] and i have this 4" wide sidebar on the right with all my system monitors on it. there is about 3" free at the bottom that i can expand a little that would be great for a mini konsole if i shrunk the font down to like 8pt [00:23] Any suggestions? I've tried both the "cd" and "other thing" options in the bios for boot order. [00:23] any errors? [00:23] or its just not found [00:24] It just goes ahead and boots the existing hard drive. No error messages. [00:24] is there a hot key to force it to boot something else? [00:24] or have you tried the bios? [00:24] most machines need usb/cd/floppy to be enabled to boot from them in the bios [00:24] I've been in the bios a lot. [00:25] DarkriftX: you ever see yakauke? [00:25] I don't think there's a separate hot key to press, although true to form the bios startup screen goes by too fast for me to be sure. :-) [00:25] look for something about boot or usb in there [00:25] Crell: sometimes the "pause" key works for the bios screen [00:25] its kinda rare though [00:25] Bios is F2. [00:25] octocpp: nope, ill check it out [00:26] I've set the "removable drive" as the first boot option. [00:26] Crell: no, i mean hit hte "pause" key when the bios flash screen pops up [00:26] that will sometimes freeze the screen [00:26] Doesn't pick up. After I disable the hard drive entirely, it just tells me to insert real boot media. [00:26] Ah, hm. Let me try that. [00:26] DarkriftX: it is a term prog that you can scroll down and back up from the top of your screen with an F key, it is awsome [00:26] Oh, so it does! [00:26] excuse me, i haven't any menu bar in this moment. How i can reboot? [00:27] DarkriftX: has tabs and much more [00:27] DareDevil: Menu bar or Panel? [00:27] DareDevil: Ctrl+Alt+Delete should still give you the reboot dialog. [00:27] i might have to try that [00:27] their site sucks right now though [00:27] Yakuake is teh rox. :-) [00:28] I guess he found it... [00:28] I didn't hear a thanks at all... [00:28] DarkriftX: Yeah, I don't see a separate hot key to boot to external. [00:38] so it appears i have some problem with my system [00:38] hm? [00:38] i tried to resize a konsole and it locked up (mouse was going very slow for about a minute, then mouse worked fine but everything was locked up and couldnt event alt+f# to a new tty) [00:39] so i rebooted (only thing i could do) and then when i rebooted i tried to resize it again, same lock up [00:39] not sure if its a konsole issue, or kwin [00:39] or something else [00:39] Hm..thats interesting [00:39] it is a bug hitting a few people [00:39] I've never had an issue resizing my konsole windows. Try turning desktop effects off while doing it [00:39] including some of the devels [00:40] Oh, well thats that [00:40] no fix that I've heard yet [00:40] does anyone know where the bug is located? [00:40] DarkriftX: Turn off transparency [00:40] i dont have it on [00:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/760632 [00:41] Ubuntu bug 760632 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Resizing Konsole crashes the whole system" [High,Confirmed] [00:41] do you have nvidia, DarkriftX? [00:41] yup [00:41] that would be it [00:42] multiple bugs files [00:42] filed [00:43] happening in Arch too [00:43] but not yakuake [00:43] interesting [00:43] wow... i just found "profiles" in konsole.... [00:44] jacked the font way down to 7.0 and green :P [00:44] :-) [00:45] wow, that is hawt [00:45] im liking that yakuake app [00:47] i dont like how you cant resize it [00:48] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272027 also on that nvidia bug [00:48] KDE bug 272027 in general "Resizing Konsole with nvidia drivers crashes the XServer" [Crash,Resolved: upstream] [00:48] probably best to comment on it there [00:48] it isn't a packaging error [00:48] afaik [00:49] If the X server crashes, it is a bug in the video drivers (or, unlikely, the X [00:49] server itself). Please report this bug directly to NVIDIA developers at [00:50] they have absolved themselves of the issue [00:50] maybe its a konsole bug :@ [00:50] heh [00:50] leaving it to nvidia will never get it fixed [00:50] DarkriftX: you can send it a dbus signal and resize it as well as add tabs etc [00:50] well, one of the google matches was the Konsole list [00:50] so they are aware [00:51] Daskreech: thats a bit beyond my scope :P [00:51] hopefully working with the driver writers [00:51] I symlinked yakuake to a script that opened it made 4 tabs resized the whole thing renamed 3 of the tabs started playing music then split one of the tabs in two [00:51] lol [00:53] according to the website, it is resizeable via keyboard shortcuts [00:58] ok, what site? === david is now known as Guest27183 [00:58] their "site" takes me to a splash page that doesnt seem to take me anywher euseful [00:58] or do you mean the kde-apps page === david_ is now known as david106 [01:01] can I get help with KDE desktop here? can't get any mic to work [01:03] david106: what is your computer? and is it internel or external? [01:05] well its one put together by Fry's no brand name it has an outside mic and a mic in the cam neither work for me. [01:06] have you tried playing around with alsamixer/pavucontrol? [01:06] don't know how its set to pulse audio [01:08] huh..I'm not good with mics, I just happened to get mine to work, and still dont know how I did [01:09] odd, who is showing me logged in to pts/0-4 [01:09] which it doesnt normally [01:09] oh, those are my terminals [01:10] I understand [01:10] Assalaamu 'alaikum (for muslims) [01:11] walaykum salam [01:12] is it channel for troubleshooting? [01:13] kde-apps [01:13] sorry [01:24] Gr. Why won't this netbook cooperate? [01:24] so i found keyboard shortcuts to change the size of each window, but not the whole thing [01:26] can i help you sipolan ? [01:27] just want to take a look at what app people use for IRC [01:28] Xchat ftw [01:28] did they version you too? [01:29] oh, i missed the reply [01:29] sorry [01:29] no [01:29] sorry, i got lag [01:29] thought you were one of those ppl that come in and run commands randomly then leave [01:31] i tried Konversation about one or two days ago. Does this app have the same core as Xchat? [01:45] Xchat is simple and scriptable, here are some common reasonable scripts: http://www.mikegtn.net/index.php?start=343&end=343 [01:48] anyone know of a walk through to install the new ATI driver? yes i and a newb [01:49] sata__: open jockey-kde and then activate it [01:50] thats not the latest thought right ? [01:50] latest thought? [01:50] though === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [01:51] well I am not sure, may be you can match it with the version on ATI website. [01:51] its ver time10 and new is 11.4 [01:52] no idea. [02:07] I am trying to share my printer on 11.04 with a windows 7 computer. We're on the same network. I am 192..2 the other is 192..3. I went to system-config-printer and checked show.. and share under server settings. I went as far as to restart the cups service **but** no matter what I do, windows 7 could never find the printer. why? this is prettty much a stock install. what could be the issue? [02:08] we're both in the same workgroup, same network. windows 7 can not see my 11.04 printer. I am sharing it to the best of my ability. what could be wrong? [02:09] vbgunz: maybe it's a Windows issue? I have a printer shared from 11.04 to 2 macs that works perfectly [02:10] areichman: congrats. I am sure it works but it isn't working for me [02:11] :) [02:11] e [02:11] Hi guys :) [02:11] wish I could help, sorry [02:19] I am really not sure what to do or what else to restart. I am gonna reboot and see if this somehow magically helps out my printer sharing issue [02:25] man this is so upsetting. I did everything I think I should have done and the windows 7 pc cannot find my printer [02:30] sipolan: what do you want from an IRC client? [02:31] vbgunz: it's shared over samba? [02:33] Daskreech: I went into system-config-printer and selected to show and share my only printer. I didn't have samba installed when i did this and didn't think I needed it. so far windows 7 does not see anything. I just installed samba (just samba) and I am messign with its config *but* for the life of me I cannot restart the service if it is even running [02:33] I got the restart [02:34] it's no longer called samba but smbd (I hope) [02:34] heh [02:35] man, I just made some edits to the smb.conf (all printer related) and restarted smbd but its so far one big fail [02:36] I just went into the cups interface and turned my only printer into the default server printer [02:40] sup [02:40] anybody around? [02:41] can someone do a simple test for me? ldd /usr/bin/kwin | wc [02:41] what's the first number? [02:43] hello? [02:45] cordiceps: 0 [02:45] otherwise kwin complains about using --replace [02:45] uh? [02:46] impossible [02:46] cordiceps: sorry [02:46] 96 [02:47] there's no way ldd /usr/bin/kwin can produce 0 results [02:47] ah alright [02:47] vbgunz: with compiz running and all? [02:47] cordiceps: 94 here... [02:47] cordiceps: I am using the radeon driver [02:48] by removing | wc and running ldd /usr/bin/kwin you get to see the list. [02:49] vbgunz: and the effects turned on? [02:50] like the cube and all that. [02:50] I have effects enabled. a very select few. no cube [02:51] I guess that'd be enough for ldd to detect cube deps, no? [02:57] my god [02:57] I finally got windows 7 to print a page on my printer... sheeesh. kubuntu can be such a drama queen [03:00] cordiceps: what were you looking for anyhow? [03:02] vbgunz: trying to win an argument about fluxbox not being hard to port to wayland. fluxbox deps are only 22, 10 of them not related to X so just 10. [03:02] hahaha, nice [03:02] glad to be of ammo to you [03:11] in ubuntu the iphone works great, displaying apps as folders etc. why doesnt Kubuntu have similar functionality? or am i missing something? [03:12] vbgunz: hoemmgee [03:12] what made the difference? [03:13] westy: what does that functionality in Ubuntu. If you install it most likely you will get a similar result [03:13] Daskreech: not sure. I believe samba may have made the difference. the windows 7 find printer dialog didn't find anything. I browsed the network from explorer and their it was all lonely dying for a click. so I clicked the poor little guy and made a test print and BOOM headshot [03:15] Daskreech, good question. I have been looking for similar libs... [03:15] vbgunz: http://vibeus.wippiespace.com/pictures/gifs/boom headshot.gif [03:15] vbgunz: http://vibeus.wippiespace.com/pictures/gifs/boom%20headshot.gif [03:15] I have no idea who that guy is but he turns up a lot [03:16] westy: perhaps ask in #ubuntu what library is mounting the ios device? [03:16] Daskreech: you gotta find his video [03:16] I presume you know him [03:17] you gotta also understand a bit about the counter-strike game [03:17] it's a hilarious video that really touches on some real issues about that game and it's competitiveness and the samurai gamer nature it produces [03:17] Daskreech, seems like I have all the apple libs (mobiledevice) i'll start up an ubuntu sesson on a laprot and watch to see what connects [03:18] westy: if you have ubuntu on this machine try run nautilus [03:18] vbgunz: one day when I have time ;) [03:19] Daskreech: yeah, I don't blame ya. it's addictive [03:24] Daskreech, no naultilus on this machine [03:26] vbgunz: hi again :) [03:27] sorry to bother, do you mind pasting the results of ldd /usr/bin/kwin? [03:27] Not in here please :) [03:27] of course not [03:29] hi peeps [03:29] i have a question [03:30] how do i install a third party device driver? [03:31] vbgunz: are you still around? [03:31] Beta_: modprobe driver_name [03:32] #ubuntu [03:32] Umm ok [03:34] i'm a complete noob in Linux [03:35] can anyone here paste on a site such as http://paste.pocoo.org/ paste the results of ldd /usr/bin/kwin? [03:35] i have the Linux install cd but all i can do is use arviche program on it [03:35] preferably if using effects with cube enabled [03:35] .gz.tar file [03:35] Beta_: Right lets take a step back then [03:35] what are you trying to get working? [03:36] the rtl8187 wireless [03:37] it works but cut's out a lot [03:37] lose signal or no internet [03:38] on windows it works fine\ [03:38] cordiceps: http://paste.kde.org/76033/raw/ [03:38] i have a drv.tar.gz file [03:38] cordiceps: no cube or anything. i use activities now... [03:39] i also have stack.tar.gz file\ [03:42] fayaz: thanks, I just wanted with cube and effects turned on to see hom many deps that pulls. [03:42] i looked everywhere in kubuntu and couldn't find a way to install the drivers [03:43] Beta_: ok hold up a bit [03:43] ok [03:43] where are you getting these drivers from? [03:43] the original install cd [03:43] Beta_: serious? it came with Linux drivers? [03:43] for the RTL8187 [03:43] yes [03:43] remind me to send them money [03:44] jejeje [03:44] fayaz: what's the difference between cube + effects and activities? [03:44] it's for an alfa anntena [03:44] long range [03:45] is that the usb twin antennea one? [03:45] in the the readme it syas this [03:45] < Installation > [03:45] Runing the scripts can finish all operations of building up modules [03:45] from the source code and start the nic. [03:45] 1. Build up the drivers from the source code [03:45] ./makedrv [03:45] 2. load the driver module to kernel and start up nic [03:45] ./wlan0up [03:45] Beta_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [03:45] what is the nic ? [03:45] Beta_: use paste.ubuntu.com as the robot says [03:46] NIC = Network interface card [03:46] it's how you connect to the internet [03:46] opps [03:46] ok [03:46] how do i run those scripts? [03:47] Beta_: Just to note to you that this is a deep end baptism in Linux [03:47] there are 6 files in directory [03:47] might be called a Tek, or something like that? [03:47] :) [03:47] most normal people in this day won't ever do something like this so you can keep on if you want to find out a lot about how Linux works [03:47] I'm sure there is a faster way to get it working [03:48] jeje i do wan't to get off windows [03:48] and i do like kubuntu a lot [03:48] whats the name of it? [03:49] just need stable internet to download all the pakages jeje [03:50] Beta_, HornetTek? [03:50] no alfa networks [03:50] it works somewhat with the defualt driver [03:51] i had a high power one but its at work....it too had a realtek driver [03:51] but i keep getting page not found [03:51] westy: did you get it working? === ubuntu is now known as FaTeieDeR [03:51] yes, with the new kernel in Ubuntu it worked fine === RKyle is now known as RKyle|away [03:51] i havent used it with Kubuntu.... [03:52] might try a different wireless manager [03:52] i works fine with ubuntu [03:52] it [03:52] ah ha [03:52] latest version of Kubuntu installed? [03:52] just as in windows same hotspot and all [03:52] no [03:52] i have 10.10 [03:53] i would get the latest one, the driver is improved in the kernel, at least in mine [03:53] so you can use kpackagekit to upgrade [03:53] its worth it, the newer KDE version fixes many bugs [03:53] cooll, but isn't there a way to use mu cd to update it? [03:54] for now [03:54] you could use a newer CD, but best would be internet [03:55] i also downloaded the updated lunix driver offf the alfa site [03:55] but i have no clue what to do with it [03:55] the reason being is that you may have added packages that are not on the cd [03:55] building the linux driver is no easy task [03:56] i found getting full support by updating was much easier :) [03:56] jajaja [03:57] how about a debian package? [03:57] Beta_: would probably work if the linux kernel versions match up [03:59] well i guess i'm stuck for now [04:01] cya peeps thanks for the help :) [04:01] good night [04:08] OK, odd question. [04:09] I'm trying to get the gnome network manager, nm-applet, to run in Kubuntu because the KDE network manager is, still, not recognizing the wireless chip in a laptop. [04:09] When I run nm-applet on the command line I get a notice "cannot open display: : 0" [04:09] I know I've seen this before and there's some extra thing I need to do to allow that program to run from the cli and start in X, but I don't recall what. [04:09] hey [04:09] Anyone have a better memory than I do? :-) [04:09] is there repo available for KDE SC 4.7 on Kubuntu yet? [04:10] generally Kubuntu usually packages the updates them first out of all the other distros [04:11] I think 4.7 is just an incremental anyhow....amirite? [04:11] could someone help me with skype and a webcam. i followed a few of the guides... nothing is working. I do not recieve any erros, all i get is a black screen when i test it. [04:12] marie: can you confirm that the camera is working outside of skype? [04:12] my cam works with cheese and camorama [04:12] haha- got a head of me [04:12] wiat- changing my name. [04:12] And skype is giving you guff? [04:12] just realized what im signed on as === marie is now known as SubCool [04:13] whatever marie [04:13] we all know who you really are [04:13] what? [04:13] I'm messing with you. [04:13] ah- so ya.. it just wont work... [04:13] It's probably because skype is an M$ product. You can't expect that to work. [04:13] :) [04:14] subcool, what have you tried? [04:15] it is??? [04:15] Skype hasn't been a MS product long enough for them to break it. :-) [04:15] Crell, ya it is- its MS [04:15] Crell doesn't know MS very well. [04:15] i tried some environtment thing- i tried some scripot [04:15] MS just bought Skype last week. :-) [04:15] - ugh.. there goes skype [04:15] sucked pretty bad to begin with.. [04:16] Granted. [04:16] why didnt they upgrade it more? its like bare bones === ubuntu is now known as kubuntu === kubuntu is now known as ubuntu [04:17] Subcool: what kind of web cam? [04:18] what package do i install to get opengl screensavers like euphoria? [04:18] Logitech Communicate STX [04:21] what package gives me a bunch of gl screensavers? [04:22] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/05/28/1857214/KDE-47-ndash-a-First-Look-At-Beta-1 [04:22]