[00:02] <DarkriftX> i wish someone would hurry up and develop a konsole plasmoid widget
[00:03] <DarkriftX> id love a little 4x4 konsole in my sidebar
[00:05] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: What is the one thing in Windows that is not made for Linux?
[00:05] <Linkmaster> AutoCad
[00:06] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: You do programming already
[00:06] <Linkmaster> DarkriftX: you can do that with Cairo-dock technically, and I've seen konsole widgets before..though, since I'm working with Qt, I might make one myself
[00:07] <Daskreech> DarkriftX: Plasmoid is a plasma widget for all purposes you care about
[00:07] <DarkriftX> i was sure it could be, but i never see any when im browsing the kde-look site
[00:08] <Daskreech> DarkriftX: Still want to know about uninstalling something from source?
[00:08] <DarkriftX> nah, i got it figured out
[00:08] <DarkriftX> turns out i still had the folder
[00:09] <DarkriftX> thx though
[00:09] <DarkriftX> my system is nice and stable once again after a failed distupgrade
[00:09] <DarkriftX> im happy now
[00:10] <DarkriftX> one of these days im really going to delve into sed
[00:10] <Daskreech> DarkriftX: You can install something selfcontained then you don't need hte source code to uninstall it
[00:10] <DarkriftX> thats good to know
[00:11] <DarkriftX> what do i do differently than "sudo make install"
[00:12] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I could be wrong though, but I haven't seen a native AutoCad/Desk/inventor/whatnot that is made for Linux.
[00:13] <DarkriftX> Linkmaster: i think there is some stuff in the repos but not 100% sure
[00:13] <DarkriftX> i remmeber seeing them and thinking they cant be that good
[00:13] <Daskreech> DarkriftX: ./configure --prefix=/place/you/want/program
[00:14] <DarkriftX> Daskreech: nice
[00:14] <Linkmaster> Hm..I'll take a look then. though when I mean Auto*, I'm talking something almost as good as they are. Perhaps better
[00:14] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: There isn't. I can't even think of a good FOSS replacement
[00:14] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: didn't think so, which is sad..
[00:14] <DarkriftX> there are tons of "cad" apps, but they prob suck
[00:15] <Daskreech> Very I'm sure lots of Architects would jump to linux if they supported large scale technical drawings and plotters
[00:15] <DarkriftX> ok, not tons
[00:15] <DarkriftX> 3
[00:15] <DarkriftX> freeCAD, pyCAD, sagCAD
[00:15] <DarkriftX> lol
[00:15] <Daskreech> DarkriftX: CAn You get me a list?
[00:15] <FloodBotK1> DarkriftX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:16] <Linkmaster> xD but I'm positive they'd flock over, since Windows is currently the only OS that has good Auto* stuff
[00:16] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: You mean good *CAD stuff
[00:16] <DarkriftX> thats all in the repos have, there might be more
[00:16] <Daskreech> I'm pretty sure they don't care very much about the Auto*
[00:16] <Linkmaster> well, like..I mean auto* stuff, since its auto[blank] that makes all the different versions at the moment. If there came out a FOSS version of it, that'd be nice :P
[00:18] <valorie> DarkriftX: have you tried yakuake?
[00:18] <DarkriftX> what is that?
[00:18] <valorie> I think that's what you want as a console replacement
[00:18] <DarkriftX> i dont want a replacement
[00:18] <valorie> ok
[00:18] <DarkriftX> i want a widget that gives me a tiny konsole for my sidebar
[00:18] <DarkriftX> 4"x4"
[00:18] <DarkriftX> or so
[00:19] <valorie> ah
[00:19] <valorie> cool
[00:19] <DarkriftX> so i can run little things here and there without having to sort through the 3-5 konsole windows i have in the background
[00:19] <valorie> so you can see how the build is proceeding, etc?
[00:19] <Linkmaster> DarkriftX: if I get the skills fast enough, I'll make you one
[00:19] <valorie> you know that you can tab Konsole, right?
[00:19] <DarkriftX> Linkmaster: awesome
[00:19] <valorie> control alt T
[00:19] <DarkriftX> yes, i do that but most of my 3-5 konsole windows have 3-5 tabs each
[00:19] <valorie> lol
[00:19] <Linkmaster> yeah, tabbing is what I do...though I end up sorting through 7 tabs Dx
[00:20] <DarkriftX> i do most of my computing via cli
[00:20] <Linkmaster> Nice!
[00:20] <DarkriftX> but xchat and my browser take up lots of my screen
[00:20] <valorie> you could stack them all on another workspace window
[00:20] <DarkriftX> and i hate having to flip back and forth between windows or desktops
[00:20] <valorie> ah
[00:20] <DarkriftX> so i have konsoles that fit certain areas of my screen so i can have one open at any time and only block one app
[00:21] <Linkmaster> I only use two workspaces, and one of them rots during the summer. I have schoolwork stuff[libreoffice, okular, etc.] and everything else goes in my 'main' desktop
[00:21] <DarkriftX> i have one that is the same size and position as my browser, one that is the same as xchat, etc
[00:21] <Linkmaster> Sounds like you've really worked this one out
[00:21] <valorie> I usually only use one, and just minimize most of the stuff
[00:21] <DarkriftX> that way i can have xchat and browser, or xchat and konsole
[00:21] <DarkriftX> or i can have browser and xchat or browser and konsole
[00:22] <DarkriftX> if im asking for help in here i dont want to keep minimizing windows to run commands
[00:22] <DarkriftX> or if im googling for commands, i dont want the same
[00:23] <Crell> Hi folks.  I'm having trouble getting a usb installer to boot on my netbook.  The usb key boots on my laptop, but I haven't been able to get the netbook to recognize it.
[00:23] <Crell> I know I've booted to a usb key before on this netbook, though, to install the last version of kubuntu I put on here.
[00:23] <DarkriftX> and i have this 4" wide sidebar on the right with all my system monitors on it. there is about 3" free at the bottom that i can expand a little that would be great for a mini konsole if i shrunk the font down to like 8pt
[00:23] <Crell> Any suggestions?  I've tried both the "cd" and "other thing" options in the bios for boot order.
[00:23] <DarkriftX> any errors?
[00:23] <DarkriftX> or its just not found
[00:24] <Crell> It just goes ahead and boots the existing hard drive.  No error messages.
[00:24] <DarkriftX> is there a hot key to force it to boot something else?
[00:24] <DarkriftX> or have you tried the bios?
[00:24] <DarkriftX> most machines need usb/cd/floppy to be enabled to boot from them in the bios
[00:24] <Crell> I've been in the bios a lot.
[00:25] <octocpp> DarkriftX:  you ever see yakauke?
[00:25] <Crell> I don't think there's a separate hot key to press, although true to form the bios startup screen goes by too fast for me to be sure. :-)
[00:25] <DarkriftX> look for something about boot or usb in there
[00:25] <DarkriftX> Crell: sometimes the "pause" key works for the bios screen
[00:25] <DarkriftX> its kinda rare though
[00:25] <Crell> Bios is F2.
[00:25] <DarkriftX> octocpp: nope, ill check it out
[00:26] <Crell> I've set the "removable drive" as the first boot option.
[00:26] <DarkriftX> Crell: no, i mean hit hte "pause" key when the bios flash screen pops up
[00:26] <DarkriftX> that will sometimes freeze the screen
[00:26] <Crell> Doesn't pick up.  After I disable the hard drive entirely, it just tells me to insert real boot media.
[00:26] <Crell> Ah, hm.  Let me try that.
[00:26] <octocpp> DarkriftX: it is a term prog that you can scroll down and back up from the top of your screen with an F key, it is awsome
[00:26] <Crell> Oh, so it does!
[00:26] <DareDevil> excuse me, i haven't any menu bar in this moment. How i can reboot?
[00:27] <octocpp> DarkriftX: has tabs and much more
[00:27] <Daskreech> DareDevil: Menu bar or Panel?
[00:27] <Crell> DareDevil: Ctrl+Alt+Delete should still give you the reboot dialog.
[00:27] <DarkriftX> i might have to try that
[00:27] <DarkriftX> their site sucks right now though
[00:27] <Crell> Yakuake is teh rox. :-)
[00:28] <Crell> I guess he found it...
[00:28] <Linkmaster> I didn't hear a thanks at all...
[00:28] <Crell> DarkriftX: Yeah, I don't see a separate hot key to boot to external.
[00:38] <DarkriftX> so it appears i have some problem with my system
[00:38] <Linkmaster> hm?
[00:38] <DarkriftX> i tried to resize a konsole and it locked up (mouse was going very slow for about a minute, then mouse worked fine but everything was locked up and couldnt event alt+f# to a new tty)
[00:39] <DarkriftX> so i rebooted (only thing i could do) and then when i rebooted i tried to resize it again, same lock up
[00:39] <DarkriftX> not sure if its a konsole issue, or kwin
[00:39] <DarkriftX> or something else
[00:39] <Linkmaster> Hm..thats interesting
[00:39] <valorie> it is a bug hitting a few people
[00:39] <Linkmaster> I've never had an issue resizing my konsole windows. Try turning desktop effects off while doing it
[00:39] <valorie> including some of the devels
[00:40] <Linkmaster> Oh, well thats that
[00:40] <valorie> no fix that I've heard yet
[00:40] <Linkmaster> does anyone know where the bug is located?
[00:40] <Daskreech> DarkriftX: Turn off transparency
[00:40] <DarkriftX> i dont have it on
[00:41] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/760632
[00:41] <valorie> do you have nvidia, DarkriftX?
[00:41] <DarkriftX> yup
[00:41] <Daskreech> that would be it
[00:42] <valorie> multiple bugs files
[00:42] <valorie> filed
[00:43] <valorie> happening in Arch too
[00:43] <valorie> but not yakuake
[00:43] <valorie> interesting
[00:43] <DarkriftX> wow... i just found "profiles" in konsole....
[00:44] <DarkriftX> jacked the font way down to 7.0 and green :P
[00:44] <valorie> :-)
[00:45] <DarkriftX> wow, that is hawt
[00:45] <DarkriftX> im liking that yakuake app
[00:47] <DarkriftX> i dont like how you cant resize it
[00:48] <valorie> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272027 also on that nvidia bug
[00:48] <valorie> probably best to comment on it there
[00:48] <valorie> it isn't a packaging error
[00:48] <valorie> afaik
[00:49] <DarkriftX> If the X server crashes, it is a bug in the video drivers (or, unlikely, the X
[00:49] <DarkriftX> server itself). Please report this bug directly to NVIDIA developers at
[00:50] <DarkriftX> they have absolved themselves of the issue
[00:50] <DarkriftX> maybe its a konsole bug :@
[00:50] <valorie> heh
[00:50] <DarkriftX> leaving it to nvidia will never get it fixed
[00:50] <Daskreech> DarkriftX: you can send it a dbus signal and resize it as well as add tabs etc
[00:50] <valorie> well, one of the google matches was the Konsole list
[00:50] <valorie> so they are aware
[00:51] <DarkriftX> Daskreech: thats a bit beyond my scope :P
[00:51] <valorie> hopefully working with the driver writers
[00:51] <Daskreech>  I symlinked yakuake to a script that opened it made 4 tabs  resized the whole thing renamed 3 of the tabs started playing music then split one of the tabs in two
[00:51] <DarkriftX> lol
[00:53] <valorie> according to the website, it is resizeable via keyboard shortcuts
[00:58] <DarkriftX> ok, what site?
[00:58] <DarkriftX> their "site" takes me to a splash page that doesnt seem to take me anywher euseful
[00:58] <DarkriftX> or do you mean the kde-apps page
[01:01] <david106> can I get help with KDE desktop here?  can't get any mic to work
[01:03] <Linkmaster> david106: what is your computer? and is it internel or external?
[01:05] <david106> well its one put together by Fry's no brand name it has an outside mic and a mic in the cam neither work for me.
[01:06] <Linkmaster> have you tried playing around with alsamixer/pavucontrol?
[01:06] <david106> don't know how its set to pulse audio
[01:08] <Linkmaster> huh..I'm not good with mics, I just happened to get mine to work, and still dont know how I did
[01:09] <DarkriftX> odd, who is showing me logged in to pts/0-4
[01:09] <DarkriftX> which it doesnt normally
[01:09] <DarkriftX> oh, those are my terminals
[01:10] <david106> I understand
[01:10] <sipolan> Assalaamu 'alaikum (for muslims)
[01:11] <david106> walaykum salam
[01:12] <sipolan> is it channel for troubleshooting?
[01:13] <valorie> kde-apps
[01:13] <valorie> sorry
[01:24] <Crell> Gr.  Why won't this netbook cooperate?
[01:24] <DarkriftX> so i found keyboard shortcuts to change the size of each window, but not the whole thing
[01:26] <DarkriftX> can i help you sipolan ?
[01:27] <sipolan> just want to take a look at what app people use for IRC
[01:28] <wn1zid> Xchat ftw
[01:28] <DarkriftX> did they version you too?
[01:29] <DarkriftX> oh, i missed the reply
[01:29] <DarkriftX> sorry
[01:29] <sipolan> no
[01:29] <sipolan> sorry, i got lag
[01:29] <DarkriftX> thought you were one of those ppl that come in and run commands randomly then leave
[01:31] <sipolan> i tried Konversation about one or two days ago. Does this app have the same core as Xchat?
[01:45] <wn1zid> Xchat is simple and scriptable, here are some common reasonable scripts:  http://www.mikegtn.net/index.php?start=343&end=343
[01:48] <sata__> anyone know of a walk through to install the new ATI driver? yes i and a newb
[01:49] <c2tarun> sata__: open jockey-kde and then activate it
[01:50] <sata__> thats not the latest thought right ?
[01:50] <c2tarun> latest thought?
[01:50] <sata__> though
[01:51] <c2tarun> well I am not sure, may be you can match it with the version on ATI website.
[01:51] <sata__> its ver time10 and new is 11.4
[01:52] <c2tarun> no idea.
[02:07] <vbgunz> I am trying to share my printer on 11.04 with a windows 7 computer. We're on the same network. I am 192..2 the other is 192..3. I went to system-config-printer and checked show.. and share under server settings. I went as far as to restart the cups service **but** no matter what I do, windows 7 could never find the printer. why? this is prettty much a stock install. what could be the issue?
[02:08] <vbgunz> we're both in the same workgroup, same network. windows 7 can not see my 11.04 printer. I am sharing it to the best of my ability. what could be wrong?
[02:09] <areichman> vbgunz: maybe it's a Windows issue? I have a printer shared from 11.04 to 2 macs that works perfectly
[02:10] <vbgunz> areichman: congrats. I am sure it works but it isn't working for me
[02:11] <immediate> :)
[02:11] <immediate> e
[02:11] <immediate> Hi guys :)
[02:11] <areichman> wish I could help, sorry
[02:19] <vbgunz> I am really not sure what to do or what else to restart. I am gonna reboot and see if this somehow magically helps out my printer sharing issue
[02:25] <vbgunz> man this is so upsetting. I did everything I think I should have done and the windows 7 pc cannot find my printer
[02:30] <Daskreech> sipolan: what do you want from an IRC client?
[02:31] <Daskreech> vbgunz: it's shared over samba?
[02:33] <vbgunz> Daskreech: I went into system-config-printer and selected to show and share my only printer. I didn't have samba installed when i did this and didn't think I needed it. so far windows 7 does not see anything. I just installed samba (just samba) and I am messign with its config *but* for the life of me I cannot restart the service if it is even running
[02:33] <vbgunz> I got the restart
[02:34] <vbgunz> it's no longer called samba but smbd (I hope)
[02:34] <vbgunz> heh
[02:35] <vbgunz> man, I just made some edits to the smb.conf (all printer related) and restarted smbd but its so far one big fail
[02:36] <vbgunz> I just went into the cups interface and turned my only printer into the default server printer
[02:40] <cordiceps> sup
[02:40] <cordiceps> anybody around?
[02:41] <cordiceps> can someone do a simple test for me? ldd /usr/bin/kwin | wc
[02:41] <cordiceps> what's the first number?
[02:43] <cordiceps> hello?
[02:45] <vbgunz> cordiceps: 0
[02:45] <vbgunz> otherwise kwin complains about using --replace
[02:45] <cordiceps> uh?
[02:46] <cordiceps> impossible
[02:46] <vbgunz> cordiceps: sorry
[02:46] <vbgunz> 96
[02:47] <cordiceps> there's no way ldd /usr/bin/kwin can produce 0 results
[02:47] <cordiceps> ah alright
[02:47] <cordiceps> vbgunz: with compiz running and all?
[02:47] <fayaz> cordiceps: 94 here...
[02:47] <vbgunz> cordiceps: I am using the radeon driver
[02:48] <cordiceps> by removing | wc and running ldd /usr/bin/kwin you get to see the list.
[02:49] <cordiceps> vbgunz: and the effects turned on?
[02:50] <cordiceps> like the cube and all that.
[02:50] <vbgunz> I have effects enabled. a very select few. no cube
[02:51] <cordiceps> I guess that'd be enough for ldd to detect cube deps, no?
[02:57] <vbgunz> my god
[02:57] <vbgunz> I finally got windows 7 to print a page on my printer... sheeesh. kubuntu can be such a drama queen
[03:00] <vbgunz> cordiceps: what were you looking for anyhow?
[03:02] <cordiceps> vbgunz: trying to win an argument about fluxbox not being hard to port to wayland. fluxbox deps are only 22, 10 of them not related to X so just 10.
[03:02] <vbgunz> hahaha, nice
[03:02] <vbgunz> glad to be of ammo to you
[03:11] <westy> in ubuntu the iphone works great, displaying apps as folders etc. why doesnt Kubuntu have similar functionality? or am i missing something?
[03:12] <Daskreech> vbgunz: hoemmgee
[03:12] <Daskreech> what made the difference?
[03:13] <Daskreech> westy: what does that functionality in Ubuntu. If you install it most likely you will get a similar result
[03:13] <vbgunz> Daskreech: not sure. I believe samba may have made the difference. the windows 7 find printer dialog didn't find anything. I browsed the network from explorer and their it was all lonely dying for a click. so I clicked the poor little guy and made a test print and BOOM headshot
[03:15] <westy> Daskreech, good question. I have been looking for similar libs...
[03:15] <Daskreech> vbgunz: http://vibeus.wippiespace.com/pictures/gifs/boom headshot.gif
[03:15] <Daskreech> vbgunz: http://vibeus.wippiespace.com/pictures/gifs/boom%20headshot.gif
[03:15] <Daskreech> I have no idea who that guy is but he turns up a lot
[03:16] <Daskreech> westy: perhaps ask in #ubuntu what library is mounting the ios device?
[03:16] <vbgunz> Daskreech: you gotta find his video
[03:16] <Daskreech> I presume you know him
[03:17] <vbgunz> you gotta also understand a bit about the counter-strike game
[03:17] <vbgunz> it's a hilarious video that really touches on some real issues about that game and it's competitiveness and the samurai gamer nature it produces
[03:17] <westy> Daskreech, seems like I have all the apple libs (mobiledevice) i'll start up an ubuntu sesson on a laprot and watch to see what connects
[03:18] <Daskreech> westy: if you have ubuntu on this machine try run nautilus
[03:18] <Daskreech> vbgunz: one day when I have time ;)
[03:19] <vbgunz> Daskreech: yeah, I don't blame ya. it's addictive
[03:24] <westy> Daskreech, no naultilus on this machine
[03:26] <cordiceps> vbgunz: hi again :)
[03:27] <cordiceps> sorry to bother, do you mind pasting the results of ldd /usr/bin/kwin?
[03:27] <Daskreech> Not in here please :)
[03:27] <cordiceps> of course not
[03:29] <Beta_> hi peeps
[03:29] <Beta_> i have a question
[03:30] <Beta_> how do i install a third party device driver?
[03:31] <cordiceps> vbgunz: are you still around?
[03:31] <Daskreech> Beta_: modprobe driver_name
[03:32] <Beta_> #ubuntu
[03:32] <Daskreech> Umm ok
[03:34] <Beta_> i'm a complete noob in  Linux
[03:35] <cordiceps> can anyone here paste on a site such as http://paste.pocoo.org/ paste the results of ldd /usr/bin/kwin?
[03:35] <Beta_> i have the  Linux install cd but all i can do is use  arviche program on it
[03:35] <cordiceps> preferably if using effects with cube enabled
[03:35] <Beta_> .gz.tar file
[03:35] <Daskreech> Beta_: Right lets take a step back then
[03:35] <Daskreech> what are you trying to get working?
[03:36] <Beta_> the rtl8187 wireless
[03:37] <Beta_> it works but cut's out a lot
[03:37] <Beta_> lose signal or no internet
[03:38] <Beta_> on windows it works fine\
[03:38] <fayaz> cordiceps: http://paste.kde.org/76033/raw/
[03:38] <Beta_> i have a drv.tar.gz file
[03:38] <fayaz> cordiceps: no cube or anything. i use activities now...
[03:39] <Beta_> i also have stack.tar.gz file\
[03:42] <cordiceps> fayaz: thanks, I just wanted with cube and effects turned on to see hom many deps that pulls.
[03:42] <Beta_> i looked everywhere in kubuntu and couldn't find a way to install the drivers
[03:43] <Daskreech> Beta_: ok hold up a bit
[03:43] <Beta_> ok
[03:43] <Daskreech> where are you getting these drivers from?
[03:43] <Beta_> the original install cd
[03:43] <Daskreech> Beta_: serious? it came with Linux drivers?
[03:43] <Beta_> for the RTL8187
[03:43] <Beta_> yes
[03:43] <Daskreech> remind me to send them money
[03:44] <Beta_> jejeje
[03:44] <cordiceps> fayaz: what's the difference between cube + effects and activities?
[03:44] <Beta_> it's for an alfa anntena
[03:44] <Beta_> long range
[03:45] <westy> is that the usb twin antennea one?
[03:45] <Beta_> in the the readme it syas this
[03:45] <Beta_> < Installation >
[03:45] <Beta_> Runing the scripts can finish all operations of building up modules
[03:45] <Beta_> from the source code and start the nic.
[03:45] <Beta_> 	1. Build up the drivers from the source code
[03:45] <Beta_> 	  ./makedrv
[03:45] <Beta_> 	2. load the driver module to kernel and start up nic
[03:45] <Beta_> 	  ./wlan0up
[03:45] <FloodBotK1> Beta_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:45] <Beta_> what is the nic ?
[03:45] <Daskreech> Beta_: use paste.ubuntu.com as the robot says
[03:46] <Daskreech> NIC = Network interface card
[03:46] <Daskreech> it's how you connect to the internet
[03:46] <Beta_> opps
[03:46] <Beta_> ok
[03:46] <Beta_> how do i run those scripts?
[03:47] <Daskreech> Beta_: Just to note to you that this is a deep end baptism in Linux
[03:47] <Beta_> there are 6 files in directory
[03:47] <westy> might be called a Tek, or something like that?
[03:47] <Beta_> :)
[03:47] <Daskreech> most normal people in this day won't ever do something like this so you can keep on if you want to find out a lot about how Linux works
[03:47] <Daskreech>  I'm sure there is a faster way to get it working
[03:48] <Beta_> jeje i do wan't to get off windows
[03:48] <Beta_> and i do like kubuntu a lot
[03:48] <westy> whats the name of it?
[03:49] <Beta_> just need stable internet to download all the pakages jeje
[03:50] <westy> Beta_, HornetTek?
[03:50] <Beta_> no alfa networks
[03:50] <Beta_> it works somewhat with the defualt driver
[03:51] <westy> i had a high power one but its at work....it too had a realtek driver
[03:51] <Beta_> but i keep getting page not found
[03:51] <Daskreech> westy: did you get it working?
[03:51] <westy> yes, with the new kernel in Ubuntu it worked fine
[03:51] <westy> i havent used it with Kubuntu....
[03:52] <westy> might try a different wireless manager
[03:52] <Beta_> i works fine with ubuntu
[03:52] <Beta_> it
[03:52] <westy> ah ha
[03:52] <westy> latest version of Kubuntu installed?
[03:52] <Beta_> just as in windows same hotspot and all
[03:52] <Beta_> no
[03:52] <Beta_> i have 10.10
[03:53] <westy> i would get the latest one, the driver is improved in the kernel, at least in mine
[03:53] <westy> so you can use kpackagekit to upgrade
[03:53] <westy> its worth it, the newer KDE version fixes many bugs
[03:53] <Beta_> cooll, but isn't there a way to use mu cd to update it?
[03:54] <Beta_> for now
[03:54] <westy> you could use a newer CD, but best would be internet
[03:55] <Beta_> i also downloaded the updated lunix driver offf the alfa site
[03:55] <Beta_> but i have no clue what to do with it
[03:55] <westy> the reason being is that you may have added packages that are not on the cd
[03:55] <westy> building the linux driver is no easy task
[03:56] <westy> i found getting full support by updating was much easier :)
[03:56] <Beta_> jajaja
[03:57] <Beta_> how about a debian package?
[03:57] <Daskreech> Beta_: would probably work if the linux kernel versions match up
[03:59] <Beta_> well i guess i'm stuck for now
[04:01] <Beta_> cya peeps thanks for the help :)
[04:01] <Beta_> good night
[04:08] <Crell> OK, odd question.
[04:09] <Crell> I'm trying to get the gnome network manager, nm-applet, to run in Kubuntu because the KDE network manager is, still, not recognizing the wireless chip in a laptop.
[04:09] <Crell> When I run nm-applet on the command line I get a notice "cannot open display: : 0"
[04:09] <Crell> I know I've seen this before and there's some extra thing I need to do to allow that program to run from the cli and start in X, but I don't recall what.
[04:09] <katsrc> hey
[04:09] <Crell> Anyone have a better memory than I do? :-)
[04:09] <katsrc> is there repo available for KDE SC 4.7 on Kubuntu yet?
[04:10] <katsrc> generally Kubuntu usually packages the updates them first out of all the other distros
[04:11] <dan_l> I think 4.7 is just an incremental anyhow....amirite?
[04:11] <marie> could someone help me with skype and a webcam. i followed a few of the guides... nothing is working. I do not recieve any erros, all i get is a black screen when i test it.
[04:12] <dan_l> marie:  can you confirm that the camera is working outside of skype?
[04:12] <marie> my cam works with cheese and camorama
[04:12] <marie> haha- got a head of me
[04:12] <marie> wiat- changing my name.
[04:12] <dan_l> And skype is giving you guff?
[04:12] <marie> just realized what im signed on as
[04:13] <dan_l> whatever marie
[04:13] <dan_l> we all know who you really are
[04:13] <SubCool> what?
[04:13] <dan_l> I'm messing with you.
[04:13] <SubCool> ah- so ya.. it just wont work...
[04:13] <dan_l> It's probably because skype is an M$ product.  You can't expect that to work.
[04:13] <dan_l> :)
[04:14] <dan_l> subcool, what have you tried?
[04:15] <SubCool> it is???
[04:15] <Crell> Skype hasn't been a MS product long enough for them to break it. :-)
[04:15] <SubCool> Crell, ya it is- its MS
[04:15] <dan_l> Crell doesn't know MS very well.
[04:15] <SubCool> i tried some environtment thing- i tried some scripot
[04:15] <Crell> MS just bought Skype last week. :-)
[04:15] <SubCool> - ugh.. there goes skype
[04:15] <SubCool> sucked pretty bad to begin with..
[04:16] <Crell> Granted.
[04:16] <SubCool> why didnt they upgrade it more? its like bare bones
[04:17] <dan_l> Subcool:  what kind of web cam?
[04:18] <ubuntu> what package do i install to get opengl screensavers like euphoria?
[04:18] <SubCool> Logitech Communicate STX
[04:21] <kubuntu> what package gives me a bunch of gl screensavers?
[04:22] <dan_l> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/05/28/1857214/KDE-47-ndash-a-First-Look-At-Beta-1
[04:22] <dan_l> mind the trolls, kids.
[04:22] <dan_l> Kubuntu:  maybe try searching?
[04:23] <kubuntu> i already installed everything in the default repos and i dont see them showing up
[04:23] <kubuntu> maybe just helping me by telling me a pack name to look for?
[04:24] <DevCore> Need extras repository
[04:25] <kubuntu> k, thanks
[04:32] <SubCool> any luck dan_l - i located two of those Howto's for the skype and webcams. I dont understand why it doesnt work. It has worked on this computer before, i think before i updated to 11.4
[04:32] <dan_l> subcool:  I'm waiting for my wife to get me her web cam
[04:33] <dan_l> because that's the one she has
[04:33] <valorie> SubCool: by any chance to you have an ATI driver?
[04:33] <valorie> ati controller, I mean
[04:34] <valorie> if you don't know, try the command lspci in the console
[04:34] <valorie> that will list your equipment
[04:38] <vbgunz> cordiceps: whats up
[04:39] <SubCool> um.. no- doubtful.
[04:39] <SubCool> valorie, this is an emachine
[04:39] <SubCool> Intel
[04:39] <valorie> ok
[04:39] <valorie> well then, my fix won't work
[04:40] <SubCool> thanks :)
[04:41] <valorie> however, what I did was visit #ubuntu-kernel
[04:41] <valorie> which you might find useful, if it was working before, and now is not
[04:41] <valorie> they can help you figure out what's wrong, and how to fix it
[04:41] <valorie> very nice people
[04:41] <SubCool> great- thanks :)
[04:42] <valorie> good luck!
[04:50] <dan_l> subcool:  give me about 10 minutes and I'll try it out
[04:51] <SubCool> thanks- im here kinda.. i;'ve looked up a couple other things. it has to be something with the upgrade.. i saw a few times u have to re do this when u upgrade..
[05:05] <westy> Daskreech, I asked about using an iphone with Kubuntu, you were right
[05:05] <Daskreech> :)
[05:05] <westy> Daskreech, I was using a Handbrake and it saw my iphone, so i added nautilus
[05:05] <westy> and there it is. why Dolphin cant see it is beyond me
[05:06] <westy> So cool to know I will never use iTunes again, AND have more functionality then any other system
[05:07]  * Linkmaster approves of ridding that horrid piece of software
[05:08] <westy> Linkmaster, I hardly ever use it (thank goodness) but now I have even more abilities than it can give me. Woot!
[05:08] <Linkmaster> what are you using?
[05:10] <westy> banshee or amarok do music, books and video, oplayer (on phone) plus Nautilus replace the video because its drag and drop and plays anything, Clibre loads ebooks, and Digikam or Shotwell handle the photos
[05:11] <Linkmaster> don't you love the power of Linux?
[05:11] <mr0wl> yes
[05:11] <mr0wl> power overwhelming
[05:11]  * Linkmaster wishes dolphin would work with iPhones, though he doesn't own one
[05:11] <westy> I love Linux
[05:11] <mr0wl> why would you wish that
[05:12] <westy> because its a friendly thing to do. and i would rather use Dolphin then nautilus, because until recently there just wasnt a better phone
[05:12] <westy> for me
[05:13] <Linkmaster> I dont' like Apple stuff, though its my personal opinion, and I MUCH prefer Dolphin to Nautilus
[05:14] <westy> droids are usable now, they werent a few years ago
[05:14] <westy> and the moko's just didnt make it here
[05:15] <Linkmaster> Moko's?
[05:15] <westy> openmoko the open phone
[05:16] <Linkmaster> the open phone?
[05:16] <Linkmaster> I've never heard of this
[05:16] <westy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
[05:18] <westy> nite guys and gals
[05:36] <vbgunz> I've been an nvidia user pretty much all my life. I just got an ATI card 2 days ago and all specs and benches say, this radeon 5850 is just all around better than my current nvidia gtx 460. everybody says don't mess with ati, and I swear I am thinking the fanboys are nuts. after 2 days, I give up. I already have the card listed for sale by 6am pst if it doesn't get busy.
[05:38] <vbgunz> I guess, I do have a question. how do you get impeccable effects with this card? I tried the radeon driver, the fglrx from the repos. the fglrx from the official amd site and nothing, not a damn thing I do, gets close to the performance my lil ol gtx 460 gave me. it kills in windows *but* I don't care for it that much there
[05:38]  * Linkmaster thinks that the 'lil ol gtx' wasn't so lil
[05:40] <vbgunz> I wholeheartedly agree. I read so much on so many sites to avoid ati, avoid it like the black death. I swear I am thinking nvidia got some real shills out there. It can't be all that bad. I am already hating it.
[05:45] <Linkmaster> I've always heard that nvidia was the best. I have this old computer running Windows2000, nvidia geforce 4800 I believe is what it is, and it runs my Rise of Nations game without any problems. That game is a monster, my [at the time] top of the line netbook joked and died when i attempted it. Please explain? xD
[05:46] <hn> I need help with installing tar.gz, using Kubuntu natty.
[05:46] <hn> ubottu: tar.gz
[05:47] <hn> ubottu: install tar.gz
[05:48] <Linkmaster> hn: you need to use the konsole, simply 'cd' to the directory where your *.tar.gz file is, type 'tar zxfv file_name.tar.gz' then cd into it, type './compile' then type 'make' then finish with either 'make install ' or 'sudo make install' depending on whether you want it made system-wide or not
[05:49] <Linkmaster> hn: those are the generic instructions, be sure to read an README or INSTALL files placed in the untarred/unzipped file
[05:50] <hn> Linkmaster: if i do that, the unextracted files are in rpm files...
[05:50] <Linkmaster> huh? thats..what is the file and where is it located?
[05:50] <Linkmaster> Like, through the webz, let me play around with it
[05:51] <hn> Linkmaster: under RPMS folder... it's the installing file for Haansoft Hancom viewer...
[05:53] <Linkmaster> huh...proprietary stuff. Hm..
[05:53] <Linkmaster> can you link me to where you downloaded it from? Or was it a purchased copy?
[05:58] <SubCool> dan_l, ya no go
[05:58] <dan_l> Sorry Subcool.  I've been sidetracked.
[05:58] <dan_l> What's your email addy?
[05:59] <dan_l> I've got the same one
[05:59] <dan_l> same cam.   rather.
[05:59] <SubCool> i gotcha
[06:08] <vbgunz> can somebody say my name?
[06:14] <Linkmaster> vbgunz: ?
[06:14] <vbgunz> damn
[06:14] <vbgunz> my notifications are broke
[06:14] <vbgunz> :/
[06:14] <vbgunz> thanks
[06:14] <Linkmaster> Did you make sure the IRC was minimized first? and maybe if you restart plasma/knotifier, it might work again
[06:15] <vbgunz> ok count to 3 bud
[06:15] <D-coy> hi all
[06:16] <gizmo_> how can i get a movie?
[06:29] <pckoders> hello
[06:29] <pckoders> is there anybody to help me out
[06:30] <Linkmaster> just post your issue
[06:31] <pckoders> wats the use of QtDesigner and Qt IDE>
[06:33] <hn> Linkmaster: http://www.hancom.co.kr/downLoad.downPU.do?mcd=003 , the second post, the download link.....
[06:33] <Linkmaster> pckoders: to develop things if you know/understand Qt. I'm just getting into it though, so I can't help very much though
[06:33] <pckoders> k. thanks
[06:33] <Linkmaster> hn: I'll take a look t it for you
[06:34] <pckoders> that will be great.
[06:34] <hn> Linkmaster: thnx....
[06:35] <Linkmaster> hn: no problem, it just finished downloading...hmm...hold on
[06:38] <Linkmaster> hn: Ark just told me it was a bunch of broken stuff...hm. :l
[06:39] <Linkmaster> can you use dropbox to upload the original tar.gz file ?
[06:39] <hn> Linkmaster: no... i'm using freenode webchat...
[06:40] <Linkmaster> same here :P
[06:40] <Linkmaster> well, I'm actually using a client, but regardless. Can you mediafire/rapidshare it or something?
[06:41] <hn> I'll make a link over skydrive....
[06:45] <hn> Linkmaster: uploading... plz hold on.....
[06:45] <Linkmaster> take your time, I have insomnia, so its all good
[07:21] <hn> Linkmaster: hww... http://www.mediafire.com/?294tvvptk9bp21f this is the link....
[07:25] <Linkmaster> hn: its downloading now, its a large download so itll take some time for me
[07:25] <Linkmaster> I'm assuming you have an .hwp file that needs to be opened, don't you?
[07:25] <hn> Linkmaster; long time uploading too... :)
[07:25] <hn> Linkmaster: yess....
[07:26] <Guest61189> Is there a way to kpackageit open without password?
[07:27] <Linkmaster> Guest61189: no, that is to prevent people from installing/removing packages that aren't supposed to/are supposed to be there
[07:27] <Linkmaster> you can have it permenantly remember the password[I forgot how] but thats not recommended
[07:28] <Guest61189> I used to have it remembered (in kwallet I think) but in ubuntu...
[07:29] <Linkmaster> Hm...Im not sure. I always leave my security measures on, often beefed up
[07:30] <Guest61189> Linkmaster...I like to write my passwords on my e-mails and foruns...but...
[07:31] <Linkmaster> Hm?
[07:31] <Guest61189> Everytime I enter and upgrade or update from bugs...
[07:31] <Guest61189> I have xubuntu,kubuntu,fluxbox...
[07:31] <Guest61189> every hour I have some update or upgrade...
[07:31] <Guest61189> That sucks...
[07:32] <Guest61189> ??
[07:32] <Linkmaster> Hm..I dont' get updates that much
[07:33] <Guest61189> ...I don't know why I have all that images...but...I like it..
[07:34] <Linkmaster> Each to his own in Linux
[07:36] <Guest61189> O.K. ...Your dolphin (if you like this file manager) has background??
[07:38] <akis> hi all. after one week of searching i realised and cross-checked that my browser (ff and chrome) cannot load "heavy" pages because my wireless pcmcia card cannot get so much data these need, because when i connected my pc through ethernet everything as ok and very very fast. although i am next to my router wireless cannot operate so many data that "heavy" page need and certain pages load slow or not at all. is there possibility to fix this problem of pcmcia
[07:38] <akis> card driver (under win xp everything was ok with is card) or is there any possibility to make this card take more data information or it is better to install a repeater and connect trhough ethernet, because the normal base of my pc is in a room next to router?
[07:41] <Guest61189> what kind of sites??
[07:41] <Guest61189> bloggs?
[07:43] <Guest61189> Maybe my ff does it to...I have some troubles to load some pics (even in sites with few data)
[07:44] <Guest61189> Than I have to F5...a lot of times
[07:44] <akis> yes. blogs and everythin google related (google maps or certain times google search and every site using google ads or maps form google)
[07:45] <akis> chrome is checked form me that is more faster than ff. so i am running on chrome, but still cannot load them
[07:46] <Linkmaster> Try rekonq? or bing maps...
[07:47] <Guest61189> Ya...that's good too!!I used konqueror sometimes!!
[07:48] <Linkmaster> I use FF for two things, one is a heavy flash user, the other is a specific game, and I still don't know why I use only FF for it :P
[07:48] <akis> i tried reckonq yesterday. the same result. the problem is not in browsers and the procedure of pages' "translation". the problem is in the procedure the data are coming in the pc through the pcmcia card
[07:48] <Guest61189> I don't know if you know about that...but konqueror can turn uy buttons available even in sites with java blocking it!!
[07:49] <akis> because as i am pluging the wire or the ethernet everything is absolutely ok. very-very fast and the dowwnloadin speed from 1mb/s is coming over 1,3-1,4mb/s
[07:50] <akis> f5 is a reload procedure?
[07:50] <Guest61189> yes...
[07:51] <akis> i am trying but is worthless. chrome cannot load now for example this page http://www.ethemis.gr/ even i reloaded 10 times. i f i plug the wire it will be downled in millisecs!
[07:52] <Guest61189> ...where are you from???
[07:53] <Linkmaster> hn: I got the same thing..I have no clue what to do with .rpm files on a debain-based sysetm. Let me look around some more
[07:53] <hn> ok'
[07:54] <Guest61189> hn I saw some plugins in kpackagekit...but probably won't works as fedora...but..
[07:55] <Guest61189> I didn't try it...
[07:55] <Guest61189> akis Where are you from??
[07:56] <akis> i tried everythin to solve the problem (adbock, java block, javascript blog). everything but no resutl. one week i lloking for the solution. i contacted ISP. all was OK. finally yesterday i plued ethernet and ...what magic... i solve the case. so the problem is what to do...make a hole to the wall to pass a cable? buy an access potin with ethernet, so it would the network would be wireless up to access poitn adn then ethernet so i don use my pcmicia card which
[07:56] <akis> have this issue or find something to make pcmcia faster?
[07:56] <akis> sorry for delay...i am typing. i am from Greece.
[07:56] <akis> Athens-Greece.
[07:56] <Linkmaster> hn: here you go, I"ll link you to the page I found rather then explain it all
[07:58] <Linkmaster> hn: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-rpm-files-in-ubuntu.html
[07:58] <Guest61189> akis did you find any site with the same problem that you had?
[07:59] <akis> you mean if i found any complains of other users with the same problem?
[08:00] <Guest61189> Очень странно, что он работает на ОС Windows XP и Kubuntu не. (google translator)
[08:00] <Guest61189> yes!!
[08:01] <Guest61189> akis anything simillar to your problem
[08:01] <akis> no, nothing at all.
[08:03] <akis> but i am now sure that the proble is on the pcmcia card and the driver. the driver is not so good as this one which is coming with the producti and is suitable for windows so the card works under linux (not only kubuntu but opensuse has the same problem) but not so good that it can take all neccesary data to load heavy pages.
[08:07] <Guest61189> I used to configure my lucent win in the ubuntu 5.04 (it war in 1997)...You can access the net...Do ur ff is configured with a limit time to access the pages,and this limit is little enought??
[08:20] <akis> well do  have any idea how to fix the issue i mentioned already?
[08:20] <hn> Linkmaster: are you still here?
[08:23] <hn> Linkmaster: not here now......?
[08:23] <Guest62193> akis http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox%20cannot%20load%20websites%20but%20other%20programs%20can
[08:24] <Guest62193> does it helps??
[08:25] <Guest62193> akis what is ur pcmcia model?
[08:31] <Guest62193> 4:30 at my fuse...
[08:31] <Guest62193> 4:30 a.m.
[08:43] <akis> well, well, well. my pcmcia card is a tp-link tl-wn310g. but. there is a big but...i just remembered i had a usb tp-link wn322g. i connect it this device in my pc and oh...my God...everything i s running fast as when i connect it throug ethernet. this the curious world of the computers!!!
[08:50] <Guest62193> akis achei alguma coisa...mas naum consigo ler!!
[08:50] <Guest62193> http://forum.ubuntu-fi.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=311b7b83df480738d3066ca80a26c29d&topic=20549.msg153646#msg153646
[08:53] <Guest62193> akis...sorry...I find something but this topic ook likes another language..
[09:13] <xcross44> Hy!
[09:13] <xcross44> Van itt magyar??
[09:16] <Tm_T> !hu | xcross44
[09:27] <dieter_> moin moin
[09:31] <wijiono> need help
[09:31] <wijiono> how to play playonlinux
[10:10] <pckoders> hello
[10:14] <Aristide> Hi
[10:14] <Aristide> I have a very bad FPS with Kubuntu :/
[10:15] <Aristide> I have a Intel GM45, kwin say "20 FPS"
[10:16] <Aristide> How improve this FPS ?
[10:17] <Aristide> ?
[10:20] <pckoders> @Aristide:  update ur graphics memory
[10:20] <Aristide> pckoders: How ? :o
[10:20] <Aristide> Hi pckoders ^^
[10:21] <pckoders> insert another graphics crd.
[10:21] <Aristide> ...
[10:21] <Aristide> Its is a labtop :/
[10:21] <Aristide> *laptop
[10:23] <Aristide> pckoders: Do you have a another solution ?
[10:23] <Aristide> *other
[10:23] <pckoders> there is a software called as 3Danalyzer use it. It converts
[10:23] <Aristide> Ok
[10:23] <pckoders> ur PHYSICAL RAM memory to graphics memory. Search for it and download it.
[10:27] <lew> hello
[10:33] <uberdub> can anyone help with wifi?
[10:45] <Aristide> Sorry but pckoders__ i don't find this programme :/
[10:46] <Aristide> *programm
[11:16] <romeus> Hello :-), does anybody know if it's possible to mouse+key shortcuts in KDE (e.g. crtl+shift+click to close a window, crtl+alt+click drag to rotate cube) ?
[11:19] <Mario__> :3
[11:19] <Mario__> hi guys
[11:20] <Mario__> anyone alive?
[11:20] <error> hello
[11:20] <romeus> hi
[11:21] <Mario__> i just installed kubuntu for the first time in my life :P
[11:21] <romeus> nice
[11:21] <Mario__> always been windows user but i decided to cut it :D
[11:22] <romeus> I moved from Windows to Ubuntu a few years ago myself
[11:22] <romeus> just trying Kubuntu now
[11:22] <Mario__> well isnt it the same just with kde instead of gnome
[11:23] <ArchangelSe7en> yup .. ideally the same
[11:23] <Mario__> some people told me 32 bit is better for drivers and such, but 32bit linux does read and use 8gb ram right?
[11:23] <Peace-> Mario__: yes
[11:23] <Peace-> Mario__: 32bit should be nicer
[11:24] <Peace-> for drivers... but...
[11:24] <romeus> indeed
[11:24] <Peace-> if you have 8 gig i would try before the live cd 64bit
[11:24] <Mario__> well consider that its not like i need everything at beginning as im new to linux so i still feel lost
[11:24] <Peace-> Mario__: livecd is easy to use
[11:24] <Mario__> i know
[11:25] <Peace-> try if everything on hardware works ==> install
[11:25] <Peace-> if not burn the 32bit
[11:25] <ArchangelSe7en> if you have more than 4 GBs ram , better to stick with the 64bit version
[11:25] <Mario__> what changes mainly
[11:25] <Peace-> Mario__: where are you from btw?
[11:25] <Mario__> performance?
[11:25] <Mario__> italy
[11:26] <ArchangelSe7en> packages availability is the same for both as 32bit packages work in 64bit OSs
[11:26] <Peace-> Mario__: e alloora vai nel canale italiano
[11:26] <Peace-> !it | Mario__
[11:26] <Mario__> ma va
[11:26] <Mario__> i prefer talking in english
[11:26] <Mario__> hence why i dont even install os in italian
[11:26] <Peace-> Mario__: i guess you will get much more support on that channel
[11:26] <Peace-> Mario__: me to
[11:27] <Peace-> ok , now
[11:27] <Peace-> first of all you need to test the kernel
[11:27] <Peace-> kernel recognize hardware  that is the big difference
[11:27] <Peace-> 64bit drivers are less
[11:27] <Peace-> ... how could i say??
[11:28] <Peace-> you could get more problems on drivers
[11:28] <Mario__> i got what you mean
[11:28] <Peace-> but it's not said
[11:28] <Mario__> but tbh i guess i should stay on 32 bit snice i want to program
[11:28] <Peace-> Mario__: ok then install 32bit
[11:45] <uberdub> hi, can anyone help wit wifi?
[11:46] <uberdub> it was working fine upon install, and then it just quit, and shows as unclaimed
[12:12] <Peace-> uberdub: ?
[12:16] <uberdub> Peace: Hi
[12:16] <Peace-> uberdub: hi
[12:16] <Peace-> so what's your problem with wifi ?
[12:17] <uberdub> well, was running fine when I installed it, but now it shows as unclaimed, and dmesg returns "cant reset chip"
[12:17] <uberdub> one sec Ill pastebin
[12:20] <uberdub> http://pastebin.com/S5AzV25K
[12:20] <uberdub> Peace: Been trying to figure it out for hours now
[12:20] <uberdub> weird
[12:20] <uberdub> everything else is working great so far, even suspend
[12:21] <uberdub> it worked at first otb
[12:22] <Mario__> still not sure wheter i should go on 64 or 32 bit
[12:22] <Mario__> xD
[12:26] <Peace-> Mario__: :S
[12:27] <uberdub> Peace: sorry accidentally disconnected NM, couldnt see possible responses
[12:27] <Peace-> uberdub: you have to write well my name
[12:27] <Peace-> it's Peace-
[12:27] <uberdub> oh
[12:27] <Peace-> not Peace
[12:28] <uberdub> Peace- did you get the pastebin?
[12:28] <Peace-> uberdub: omg atheros ath9k
[12:28] <uberdub> yeah
[12:28] <Peace-> uberdub: i mean it works or not?
[12:28] <Peace-> you can use wifi ??
[12:28] <uberdub> it did
[12:29] <uberdub> no not now
[12:29] <uberdub> lspci, and lsmod everything looks fine
[12:29] <Peace-> rfkill --list
[12:30] <uberdub> but cant load wlan0, one sec trying rfkill
[12:31] <uberdub> nothing blocked
[12:31] <Peace-> iwconfig
[12:32] <uberdub> no wireless extensions
[12:32] <Peace-> sudo rmmod ath9k && sudo modprobe ath9k
[12:32] <uberdub> does nothing
[12:33] <uberdub> tried that a couple times
[12:34] <Peace-> lspci | grep -i Network
[12:34] <uberdub> ahhh, tried again getting: ERROR: Module ath9k does not exist in /proc/modules
[12:37] <uberdub> how to add it to the /proc/modules file?
[12:39] <uberdub> seemd to be in there already: ath9k_common 13611 0 - Live 0xf8b48000
[12:39] <uberdub> ath9k_hw 300328 1 ath9k_common, Live 0xf8eb2000
[12:39] <uberdub> ath 19141 1 ath9k_hw, Live 0xf804e000
[12:39] <uberdub> oops sorry shoulda pastebin it
[12:44] <fayaz> :-/ the "Council elections" url given in the channel topic is giving a 404
[12:47] <uberdub> any suggestions Peace- ?
[12:51] <ryrych> hi, when will Amarok 2.4.1 come out in Ubuntu repos?
[12:51] <ryrych> I have a fresh installation and it isn't there
[12:54] <uberdub> any suggestions Peace- ?
[12:55] <fayaz> claydoh: ?
[13:05] <ryrych> ah, I forgot that newer Amarok versions comes out in kubuntu backports
[13:06] <delac> using Maveric, I got a strange bug. Sometimes (quite often) when I start the KDE session and open window, minimize it to the taskbar and then unminimize, whole KDE and session crashes. Anyone knows anything about this?
[13:09] <delac> the effect there is as if I had hit ctrl-alt-backspace. I just get logged out immediately
[13:17] <Cross_> D:
[13:17] <Cross_> i dont know how to fix the fonts properly on a 1900x1200 resolution screen
[13:17] <Cross_> they get either too big or too small
[13:21] <Cross_> any suggestion?
[13:32] <Cross_> anyone'
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:04] <Cross_> how do i install java
[14:04] <Cross_> ? D:
[14:05] <c2tarun> Cross_: from kpackage kit
[14:05] <Cross_> yea i am on it, i typed java but  is it the openjdk one?
[14:06] <c2tarun> Cross_: yeah.
[14:06] <Cross_> im new to linux so im trying to figure it out still lol
[14:06] <Cross_> webstart and runtime? both of them?
[14:07] <c2tarun> Cross_: get the jdk it includes everything
[14:08] <c2tarun> Cross_: at least everything you need.
[14:08] <Cross_> may i ask you something else btw?
[14:08] <c2tarun> Cross_: sure
[14:09] <Cross_> (consider im new to linux also) some people told me its better if i stay on the 32 bit rather than the 64 one for compatibility stuff, but i have a feeling i should switch to 64, what do you think? i got 8gb ram
[14:09] <Tm_T> unless you know you have to stick with 32bit, I see no reason
[14:09] <Cross_> see no reason in?
[14:09] <c2tarun> well first 8GB is hell lot of RAM :) and I dont think if you have 64 bit processor there is any reason to stick with 32 bit.
[14:10] <c2tarun> I also started with 64 bit, but its completely your call :)
[14:10] <Tm_T> Cross_: I see no reason to stick with 32bit
[14:11] <Cross_> oh well then screw it im gonna go for 64 once its done downloading.. a day of low level format then 32 bit and now ill format again woot xD
[14:11] <Cross_> i feel kinda lost to be honest by coming from windows.. but i dont wanna have my eyes covered forever
[14:12] <c2tarun> Cross_: normally all the applications we pack are build and tested on both 32 and 64 bit machines and in case of any error its fixed. so it wont be a problem :)
[14:12] <Cross_> i had problems with fonts because im on 1920x1080
[14:12] <c2tarun> Cross_: Welcome!! when I started I dual booted my system with win 7 and ubuntu and in 3 days time I removed windows... :D
[14:13] <Cross_> nono i already removed it :P
[14:13] <Cross_> i decided i want to cut it for good
[14:13] <Cross_> i want to learn how a computer really works and that will never be possible on windows
[14:13] <c2tarun> Cross_: thats great. :) and about fonts, you can change them from system-settings>>application appearance
[14:14] <Cross_> yea i changed fonts bt in the end i had to change dpi only
[14:14] <Cross_> because they were either getting too small or too big
[14:14] <Cross_> lol
[14:14] <Cross_> i got 37" screen
[14:15] <c2tarun> 37" O_O that's almost size of my table.
[14:16] <Cross_> the thing i hate of being a noob in something is that i feel like asking for help but if i only ask for help ill never lean
[14:16] <Cross_> learn*
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Cross_, a hint if you're running that resolution on a large monitor , enable anti aliasing in fants and force 120dpi.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> err fonts
[14:16] <Cross_> i did, idk why somehow it feels laggy
[14:16] <Cross_> i got a gt 240
[14:17] <wn1zid> I gave up windoze 5 yrs ago, and am both happy and satisfied , once you learn linux, you both learn the power it has, as well as how configurable it is.
[14:17] <Cross_> like if i alt tab with all those effects
[14:17] <wn1zid> Also, learning linux makes computing fun, thinks just work, and stay working.
[14:17] <wn1zid> things *
[14:18] <c2tarun> Cross_: and this channel is always open, if somehow you didn't get the answer of your problem you can ask on kubuntuforums.net
[14:19] <Cross_> well to be honest i didnt have many problems with windows 7.. but i want to learn programming and to learn and see how a computer work, so the first thing i had to do is say goodbye to windows :P
[14:20] <fayaz_> Cross_: i think then you should checkout how to really use the command line...
[14:20] <wn1zid> lol, ya, all windoze teaches you, is to open that wallet and shell out for every key stroke.
[14:21] <Cross_> ye i dont know much about the command line
[14:21] <wn1zid> plus, it has 3 NSA keys built in it, meaning, the government has 3 built in back doors in windoze.
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Cross_, actually there's really no need to take sides against windows , lots of ppl dual boot because it's necessary for their work.
[14:21] <fayaz_> Cross_: you can find lots of books and tutorials...
[14:22] <Cross_> i dont take sides against it, as in i always use it and then i hate it a while after lol
[14:22] <c2tarun> wn1zid: is it true?? o_O
[14:22] <wn1zid> google it
[14:22] <wn1zid> nsa keys built into windows
[14:22] <Cross_> i just need to stop thinking "closed"
[14:22] <wn1zid> use that copy and paste it into google search
[14:23] <c2tarun> wn1zid: hmm... I read somewhere that NSA suggested only 32 bit keys to be used by public so that they can easily crack them. Open source community didn't listened to it :)
[14:23] <wn1zid> ever since the suit against microsoft, all software has to give the government its code
[14:25] <BluesKaj> wn1zid, as if  :)
[14:26] <wn1zid> scary
[14:26] <wn1zid> every time a customer brings in a win machine, i try to convert them
[14:27] <c2tarun> and I guess NSA is forcing most of the companies to supply win with there machines :(*
[14:27] <Cross_> xD
[14:27] <Cross_> looks like a religion
[14:28] <wn1zid> also, bill gates is into eugenics, meaning, bill gates is sponsoring vaccines to reduce the population
[14:28] <Cross_> a program to burn iso?
[14:28] <Cross_> .-.
[14:28] <wn1zid> brasero
[14:28] <Cross_> ty
[14:29] <c2tarun> well on kubuntu its k3b
[14:29] <wn1zid> ya,
[14:30] <wn1zid> i use both gnome and kde, i even have a machine with both on the same build, its pretty cool
[14:30] <martin_> hello
[14:30] <c2tarun> wn1zid: well I tried it once and got scared by seeing too much applications :(
[14:31] <martin_> can someone tell me, what to do, when i cant install the package "libc6"?
[14:31] <Cross_> wait k3b what is it an img burner?
[14:31] <wn1zid> lol, ya, till you get things configed right, it can be intimidating
[14:31] <c2tarun> martin_: give us a reason why you cant install?
[14:32] <c2tarun> Cross_: start a new data project
[14:32] <martin_> i installed kubuntu 5 minutes ago and got a error, so now kubuntu works, but i get errors when i try "sudo apt-get install libc6"
[14:32] <c2tarun> martin_: you tried fixing packages?
[14:33] <c2tarun> sudo apt-get -f install
[14:33] <BluesKaj> wn1zid, I think you've been rading too many conspiracy theory pages , Bill Gate supports eugenics in order to snuff out diseases not people,
[14:33] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: bill gates is retired I guess.
[14:33] <martin_> yes, i tried, but then he says, that there are no depencies for libc6
[14:33] <c2tarun> martin_: sudo apt-get update
[14:34] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: and 32 bit suggestion by NSA is in my course book :(
[14:34] <wn1zid> no, thats the bluff, between him and al gore, they plan on getting rid of 80% of the population, its in al gores book, earth in the balance
[14:35] <BluesKaj> a suggestion doesn't mean it's put into,practice
[14:37] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: well its NSA :) they are the boss.. a suggestion from there side and be a command for many ;)
[14:37] <c2tarun> *and = can
[14:37] <BluesKaj> and putting theories and beliefs into book doesn't make it reality \
[14:37] <c2tarun> yeah offcourse but you have to agree on one thing, BG never supported open source code
[14:39] <martin_> ah, can be installed (i'm a noob, sry), thanks c2tarun
[14:39] <BluesKaj> of course not, he's a marketing predator/businessman, what do you expect? :)
[14:40] <c2tarun> :) at least if he can't support he shouldn't criticize it ;)
[14:41] <c2tarun> as far as I can see open source products are better than windows products :) (except office :( dont know why but I feel that MS office is really good)
[14:41] <Cross__> it got stuck i had to restart with reset button
[14:41] <Cross__> .-.
[14:41] <Cross__> i was just enlarging a window
[14:42] <Cross__> and then lets say "explorer.exe" crashed xD to make you get what i meant but it was totally stuck >_> what may be the cause
[14:43]  * BluesKaj is thankful the he doesn't need to use MS Office anymore
[14:43] <dan_l> Bwa.  I still have to use MS Office.
[14:43] <dan_l> Because, effectively, I am the spreadsheet king
[14:43] <dan_l> and when it comes to spreadsheet making
[14:43] <dan_l> There is only excel.
[14:43] <c2tarun> I am trying to use libre office these days :)
[14:45] <dan_l> Oh libre office isn't bad.  I do quitea  bit with it.  But Libre Office Calc isn't great.
[14:45] <dan_l> At least, it doesn't serve my needs.  Others---probably so.  Koffice isn't terrible either, just sayin'.
[14:46] <c2tarun> dan_l: well you should post wishlist bug on LP so that we can fwd it to libre office developers :) may be they add the features you want
[14:47] <c2tarun> BTW anyone here using apple laptops of PC's and kubuntu?
[14:48] <c2tarun> BTW anyone here using apple laptops or PC's and kubuntu?
[14:48] <dan_l> ehhhh, I wouldn't want to do that to the poor libre office folks.  Heck, I don't think ooocalc had a feature added in the last 9000 years anyhow
[14:49] <wn1zid> I have yet to load libre, or even use it, is it better or worse
[14:50] <dan_l> wn1zid:  about the same, imo.  The splash screen changed though.
[14:50] <c2tarun> wn1zid: what version are you using?
[14:50] <wn1zid> ok, thanks, its what i expected
[14:50] <changedsoul> Im trying our the newest version of kubuntu. when running the live cd, its got my wireless working. When I installed it and booted, I have no wireless. Can someome help me? I installed the broadcom package but still no luck
[14:50] <wn1zid> i still have the orrigional oo
[14:50] <c2tarun> changedsoul: open jockey-kde
[14:51] <c2tarun> changedsoul: and see if your wifi driver is there or not.
[14:51] <c2tarun> wn1zid: I mean version? lucid, mav, natty or what?
[14:52] <wn1zid> o, 10.10, i also have and use 9.04, and even have old drives with 7.10
[14:52] <wn1zid> all 100%
[14:52] <c2tarun> oh... natty is shipped with libre office :) but mav still have open office
[14:52] <wn1zid> ya, didn't know what 2 expect from libre so i kept oo in it
[14:53] <dan_l> there haven't been many visible improvements.  Just some branding changes.   But again, I'm not being critical.  If you liked OOO you'll like libre office.
[14:54] <wn1zid> i may check it out
[14:55] <changedsoul> c2tarun: Yes, it shows my card. I selected activate, but then got an error message saying to see /var/log/jokey.log. But his has soooo much stuff in it. At the bottom I see stuff about blacklisted drivers?
[14:57] <c2tarun> changedsoul: ohh.... there was a guy with nick bigbrovar, he is the guy who will surely help you. you have to wait till he show up, or if anyone else suggest some help
[14:57] <changedsoul> c2tarun: any idea why the live cd would work, but the install decided to blacklist my driver?
[14:58] <c2tarun> changedsoul: well if live CD worked then it means that kernel detected your wifi driver automatically, it should have worked now.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, open /etc/modules and add the line 'wl' , without quotes. save and exit ..relogin
[15:01] <killerklown> hi everybody
[15:02] <killerklown> does anybody knows where i could get help on updating my ubuntu netbook remix to the newest version <ß
[15:02] <killerklown> ?
[15:04] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: any idea how I can open it? Its not letting me save the filw
[15:05] <killerklown> does anybody knows where i could get help on updating my ubuntu netbook remix to the newest version ?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/modules ..sorry i should have mention when editing you have to use kdesudo for GUI edits or suo for the terminal
[15:05] <BluesKaj> err sudo for terminal
[15:10] <martin_> hello
[15:10] <c2tarun> martin_: hello again :)
[15:10] <martin_> hello tarun;o) i still have some problems with my libc6
[15:10] <c2tarun> what?
[15:11] <martin_> tried "sudo apt-get -f install" and now he wants to remove all packages on my system
[15:11] <c2tarun> WHAT????
[15:11] <ubuntufreak> Hi guys is there a way to backup my /home directory into an external hdd and copy it back after installing the os
[15:11] <martin_> "sudo apt-get install libc6" also doesnt work
[15:11] <c2tarun> remove?
[15:11] <c2tarun> can you pastebin the output of sudo apt-get -f install?
[15:12] <martin_> yes, one moment
[15:12] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: yeah, copy it, what so difficult?
[15:13] <ubuntufreak> c2tarun: sorry i meant / directory with all the current settings
[15:13] <changedsoul> B3rz3rk3r: Sorry, nogo on the /etc/modules file
[15:13] <c2tarun> ohh.. you mean root directory?
[15:13] <martin_> martin@martin-K52Je:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[15:13] <martin_> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[15:13] <martin_> Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
[15:13] <martin_> Statusinformationen werden eingelesen... Fertig
[15:13] <martin_> Abhängigkeiten werden korrigiert... Fertig
[15:13] <FloodBotK1> martin_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:13] <martin_> Das folgende Paket wurde automatisch installiert und wird nicht mehr benötigt:
[15:14] <killerklown> does anybody knows where i could get help on updating my ubuntu netbook remix to the newest version ?
[15:14] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: http://www.tricksfind.in/2011/04/hello-friends-i-have-been-testing.html
[15:15] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: I blogged about creating backup, just want to ask one question, are you going to format your root partition?
[15:15] <Daskreech> dan_l: What does Excel provide that Libre office doesn't for you?
[15:15] <c2tarun> martin_: sorry I dont get it :( what language it is/
[15:15] <Daskreech> changedsoul: Want to pastebin your log?
[15:16] <ubuntufreak> c2tarun: yes im going to reinstall ubuntu again by formatting the system completely
[15:16] <dan_l> Daskreech:  It's a long list:)
[15:16] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: well in that case you need to know something apart from that blog
[15:16] <ubuntufreak> c2tarun: actually im not able to access the link
[15:16] <Daskreech> ubuntufreak: copy /etc and /home
[15:17] <martin_> german, sry, i try to translate it
[15:17] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: why?
[15:17] <c2tarun> martin_: change your system language for a while
[15:17] <changedsoul> Daskreech: Sure :http://www.pastebin.ca/2071600
[15:17] <Daskreech> dan_l: top 5? :)
[15:17] <ubuntufreak> c2tarun: getting server not found error
[15:17] <c2tarun> WTF....
[15:17] <ubuntufreak> Daskreech: will that alone suffice or i need to take the backup of all the directories ?
[15:18] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: try this http://tinyurl.com/3zspf7m
[15:18] <ubuntufreak> c2tarun: same error :(
[15:18] <c2tarun> Daskreech: I think he also want to backup all the installed applications and everything else.
[15:18] <Daskreech> changedsoul: you blacklisted the driver?
[15:18] <c2tarun> hmmm wait...
[15:18] <Daskreech> ubuntufreak: What are you trying to accomplish?>
[15:18]  * BluesKaj wonders what the broadcom kernel module is
[15:19] <changedsoul> Daskreech: I dont really know what that means
[15:19] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087
[15:19] <changedsoul> Daskreech: live cd had no issues
[15:19] <ubuntufreak> Daskreech: somehow my kubuntu installation got corrupted and im able to access only using the live cd
[15:19] <dan_l> Daskreech:  top 5:  1.  Pivot tables in excel are invinitely better than data pilot, 2.  data import options from databases are limited, 3.  default charting options are bad (like excel 03 bad), 4.  due to a smaller user base, addons/extensions that are basically mandatory for excel have no counterparts for calc, 5.
[15:20] <ubuntufreak> Daskreech: i would like to take a backup of all my data along with the other custom files before i reinstall again
[15:20] <dan_l> volatile formulas and the like tend to blow up calc a lot quicker than they do excel.
[15:20] <martin_> hmm, i tried and he said, it doesnt without doing "sudo apt-get -f install"
[15:20] <ubuntufreak> c2tarun: thanks will check it !
[15:20] <c2tarun> ubuntufreak: well if your kubuntu installation is corrupted then just backup /home and no oterh folders
[15:21] <Daskreech> ubuntufreak: Corrupted how?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, in the terminal tell us what this command gives , lspci -n | grep 14e4
[15:22] <ubuntufreak> Daskreech: actually i had windows that came with the laptop, i removed that and resized my / partition to extend the space before after that i am not able to boot into just blank screen
[15:22] <Daskreech> dan_l: invinitely? :)
[15:22] <ubuntufreak> c2tarun: yeah sure
[15:22] <dan_l> Infinitely:)  I was typing fast.  Or I'm from Romania.
[15:22] <Daskreech> :)
[15:22] <Daskreech> Either works as an explanation :)
[15:23] <dan_l> Again, it's no beef.  I'm not one of these clowns running around saying "OH YEAH OOO SUCKS THE BIG ONE"
[15:23] <dan_l> if I get stuck on a desert island and excel is unavailable, calc is still better than all of the web options combined, imo (it's the most complete)
[15:25] <halfblood> !list
[15:26] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: 14e4:4357
[15:26] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: well - 02:00.0 0280: 14e4:4357 (rev 01)
[15:26] <Daskreech> dan_l: I know I quite like a few of the LibreOffice options but Excel is a good deal more complete
[15:27] <ubuntufreak> Daskreech: any idea how to get it working or re-installing the os is the only option ?
[15:27] <Daskreech> ubuntufreak: You could try reinstalling the bootloader
[15:28] <ubuntufreak> Daskreech: i tried that but invain
[15:28] <ubuntufreak> Daskreech: anyway will take a backup and install new
[15:29] <dan_l> Daskreech:  Yup.  And that's probably the only area where I can't immediately use Libre as a direct replacement.  Writer and Impress both do exactly what I need them to do.  Easily.
[15:29] <dan_l> And Base!  Base is actually really good.
[15:34] <Daskreech> dan_l: I'm sure that for each of those options if you found the "king" of it they would have the same complaints and comments
[15:36] <dan_l> Right.  I don't deny it.  Sometimes being an uberuser makes you a little bit dependant.
[15:36] <dan_l> Have adobe people switched to gimp at all?
[15:36] <dan_l> That's more a point of curiousity.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, sudo modprobe wl
[15:38] <Daskreech> dan_l: some have. Disney paid a lot of money to bring Gimp's standards up so they would not have to keep paying adobe
[15:38] <dan_l> That's ok.  Adobe will go out of business soon anyway:)
[15:38] <Daskreech> There are a few depts who still use Adobe though since they just cant be weaned off it
[15:39] <dan_l> I didn't realize that disney was involved in gimp.
[15:39] <Daskreech> ha ha Have you seen their income stream?
[15:39] <Daskreech>  they will be around a while
[15:39] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: That was the first thing I tried, I get an error when doing that:
[15:39] <changedsoul> FATAL: Module wl not found.
[15:40] <changedsoul> FATAL: Error running install command for wl
[15:40] <montfras> anyone xp with building kde apps from source?
[15:40]  * BluesKaj detects ot cops lurking
[15:40] <montfras> I'm trying to build an app from /unmaintained but cmake complains (as always)
[15:40] <dan_l> Daskreech;  No doubt.  But I'd say they'll 'change' in the future.  Flash goes away.
[15:40] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, this is a mint site but it should work http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=57056
[15:41] <montfras> I think I need to buil some core libs also, but not sure witch ones
[15:42] <montfras> error is : ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in ... (bunch of directory's)
[15:44] <Daskreech> dan_l: Won't make a difference they will just change it and DW to be a HTML5 IDE which will be far more useful
[15:47] <BluesKaj>  changedsoul or this could be more appropriate , dunno why there's such a problem with broadcom these days http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Ubuntu.2BAC8-Debian
[15:47] <dan_l> ChangedSoul:  have you tried NDISwrapper?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> dan_l, lets not go there yet
[15:48] <dan_l> Good call.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> last resort :)
[15:50] <changedsoul> dan_l: ndiswrapper should not be needed. The driver works under kinux just fine. I got it working in suse, just have to figure it out here in ubuntu :)
[15:51] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: question. I need to be root to issue a echo >> file command to a file only root can access, but sudo doesnt work for me. says permission denied
[15:53] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, suso su ?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> err sudo su
[15:53] <changedsoul> oh. thanks
[15:53] <changedsoul> :)
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, I'm not much good with sudo permissions , will sudo su work ?
[15:54] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: yeah sudo su worked great
[15:55] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: yes
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ok lets hope the module works for wifi
[15:55] <c2tarun> anyone using konversation here?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> <--- konversation all the way
[15:56] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: can you tell me how to hide messages like some has left/joined this server?
[15:56] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: Thank you. That site worked for me. Not really sure what I was doing, but I have wireless now
[15:57] <c2tarun> BluesKaj: got it :)
[15:57] <c2tarun> changedsoul: congo :)
[15:57] <BluesKaj> c2 settings/configure konverstaion /chatwindow ..the options are near the top
[15:58] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, cool :)
[16:02] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, which site helped you , theone with the cutter43 driver?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> err b43-fwcutter
[16:14] <changedsoul> BluesKaj: this one: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=57056
[16:17] <BluesKaj> changedsoul, thanks ,i'll bokmark that for my linux sites folder...it's indeed good to know for future reference
[16:19] <BluesKaj> ok, grass is getting long ...time to go cut it down some
[16:22] <dan_l> lame blueskaj.  lame.  :)
[16:24] <Peace-> BluesKaj:
[16:26] <delac> easiest way to identify mounted partition (shown in dolphin as hard drive) as /dev/sdXX?
[16:32] <Daskreech> delac: type mount on the terminal
[16:34] <delac> Daskreech: well, it list the mounted partitions, but that doesnt tell me which /dev/sdXX associates with given mounted device (as seen in dolphin)
[16:35] <Daskreech> delac: can you pastebin the output from mount ?
[16:35] <delac> although I did find one way: unmount the device, check Partition Manager, mount the device and check again. That way it is possible to associate them
[16:36] <delac> not very easy though...
[16:36] <c2tarun> delac: well I think /dev/sdaxx on /home or something gives you location.
[16:36] <c2tarun> text after on is location that you can access through dolphin
[16:36] <c2tarun> WHAT?? O_O are you even reading what I just posted?
[16:37] <c2tarun> delac: ^^
[16:37] <delac> c2tarun: hmm, not quite following what you mean...?
[16:38] <c2tarun> delac: just tell me, what information did partition manager give you on checking?
[16:38] <akis> hi all. why dragon cannot paly dvd although i installed 2 extras asked the system?
[16:38] <delac> c2tarun: there I can see what partitions are mounted
[16:38] <Daskreech> delac: I'm not sure what you are trying to get. If you click on a partition in Dolphin it will give you a FS path
[16:39] <Daskreech> mount will show the mapping of the FS path to the device node
[16:39] <c2tarun> akis: install those extras :)
[16:39] <c2tarun> delac: me neither getting what are you trying to get :/ and try to understand what Daskreech said ^^
[16:39] <delac> Daskreech: I cant find any reference to /dev/sdXX in dolphin anywhere
[16:40] <Daskreech> delac: Dolphin isn't supposed to show that
[16:40] <akis> i installed them already
[16:40] <Daskreech> I don't even know that dolphin cares
[16:40] <c2tarun> akis: well, if you installed them already then there must be no extras :/
[16:40] <c2tarun> akis: how did you install them?
[16:41]  * c2tarun dolphin dont care, that's why GUI's for careless services ;)
[16:41] <delac> Daskreech: yes, apparently, but that information is usefull sometimes. like now, so it would be nice to get it easily
[16:41] <delac> Daskreech: although, I do see now how I can get that info from the mount command, so thanks! :)
[16:42] <Daskreech> delac: that's the fastest way I can think of
[16:42] <Daskreech> You can try sudo fdisk -l which takes some interpretation
[16:43] <akis> i had a notification from the info center and i follow the procedure that provide me, just 1-2 clicks and finally i got the message that the installation was succeded.
[16:43] <c2tarun> Daskreech: is there any way to format a parition/pen-drive without using any partition manager?
[16:43] <c2tarun> akis: and still you are getting those extras?
[16:44] <akis> no. no more. but dragon cannot load the disc. it can play only some .vob files but not completely.
[16:44] <Daskreech> delac: You can look in Kinfocenter but that's not quick at all :)
[16:44] <Daskreech> pretty though :)
[16:44] <montfras> c2tarun: fdisk, best to read the manpages first It's easy to mess up
[16:44] <Daskreech> delac: you can press F4 in Dolphin and it opens a terminal so that's pretty quick
[16:44] <c2tarun> akis: hmm... I dont think dragon has such facility
[16:45] <Daskreech> c2tarun: parted
[16:45]  * c2tarun man pages :(  I am so scared of them :(
[16:45] <Daskreech> If you don't consider parted a partition manager which it is
[16:45] <Daskreech> c2tarun: why?
[16:45] <akis> actually dragon plays now .vob files separately but it doen't it play it as dvd.
[16:46] <c2tarun> Daskreech: what why? that scare from man pages?
[16:46] <dan_l> fastest terminal ever:  yukakke
[16:46] <dan_l> Or yukaka
[16:46] <dan_l> or whatever it's called
[16:46] <c2tarun> dan_l: yakuake :)
[16:46] <dan_l> Right.  It's way more fun calling it yukakke.  :)
[16:47] <c2tarun> Daskreech: man pages seldomly give examples :( without examples its kind of difficult for me.
[16:47] <Daskreech> c2tarun: yes what scares you?
[16:47] <c2tarun> Daskreech: man pages seldomly give examples :( without examples its kind of difficult for me.
[16:47] <montfras> c2tarun: Yeah quite scary, they do give me a leet hacker feeling :)
[16:47] <Daskreech> c2tarun: most commands are not dangerous to run on example files
[16:48] <montfras> and there are lot's of examples online, just think before you ... partition?
[16:48] <c2tarun> Daskreech: example files??
[16:48] <Daskreech> yes
[16:48] <c2tarun> Daskreech: where are they?
[16:49] <Daskreech> Make one
[16:49] <c2tarun> ohh.. :)
[16:49] <delac> Daskreech: oh, I didnt even know about this KInfoCenter. Nice. But it fails to mention the /dev/sdXX, so it's not very useful in this case.
[16:50] <akis> any idea why dragon althoug has an option 'play disc' cannot aly the dvd but it can play seperately the .vob files?
[16:50] <Daskreech> ok :) I hardly ever look at it unless I need something pretty to impress someone
[16:50] <Daskreech>  I like the memory reporter
[16:50] <Daskreech> c2tarun: :)
[16:51] <c2tarun> let me google it
[16:51] <Daskreech> c2tarun: if you are playing with formatting a hard drive or something then look up making a swap file
[16:51] <Daskreech> you can format that all yo uwant
[16:52] <c2tarun> sure :) I'll keep in mind from next time
[16:53] <c2tarun> Daskreech: do you know any channel except #qt to ask qt related question? (sorry this question may be irrelevant to this channel)
[16:55] <tsimpson> c2tarun: why would there be another channel for it? and what's wrong with #qt?
[16:56] <c2tarun> tsimpson: sorry to say :( but some geek people there are bit rude. They help less and scold more :(
[16:57] <c2tarun> tsimpson: today I visited that channel after months that also for few seconds :(
[16:57] <Daskreech> c2tarun: #kde-devel
[16:58] <tsimpson> if it's Qt specific, they'll probably point to to #qt
[16:59] <c2tarun> hhmmmm......
[16:59] <tsimpson> c2tarun: they are a different channel, so have different culture/rules, you just have to get used to it
[17:00] <tsimpson> #qt is really the best resource for Qt advice and support though
[17:00] <Daskreech> #bash is horribly horribly rude
[17:00] <Daskreech> but they never fail to actually answer the question and point you to what you need
[17:00] <Daskreech> horribly rude though
[17:03] <dan_l> lol Daskreech.  I've been in #bash.  It is a little rough.
[17:04] <dan_l> the weak are killed and eaten there
[17:23] <Zevius> join #kplayer
[17:35] <Cross> what should i do if my mic doesnt work on skype? :l
[17:36] <BajK> "Packages for the release of the KDE Software Compilation 4.7 Beta 1 are available for Kubuntu 11.04 and Oneiric." - unfortunately not :(
[17:36] <BajK> *dreaming* :D
[17:36] <Linkmaster> Cross: you're having that problem? I did at one point, though I just fiddled around with alsa/pavucontrol it righted itself
[17:37] <Linkmaster> BajK: and you sure? D:
[17:37] <Cross> yea i got that problem
[17:37] <Cross> so where should i go to try and fix it? D:
[17:37] <BajK> Linkmaster: :D just dreaming xD
[17:39] <Linkmaster> well, download pavucontrol using 'sudo apt-get install pavucontrol' then open it up, either using konsole or kmenu, konsole is faster since your already there, and then go to 'input tab' click the option that says 'all input devices' and fiddle around with that. Thats how I got my internal mic to work with VoIP programs[I stopped using skype since M$ bought it]
[17:40] <gr> hi. is there any way to make some application start automaltically when the system starts?
[17:42] <Cross> thank you linkmaster
[17:42] <Cross> :D
[17:43] <Linkmaster> did it work?
[17:43] <montfras> gr: System Settings -> Search for autostart
[17:43] <Cross> yea, but i didnt know how to open it with console
[17:43] <Cross> xD
[17:44] <Linkmaster> gr: yes, go to 'system-settings' scroll towards the bottom, and look for 'autostart'
[17:44] <Linkmaster> Cross: just type in 'pavucontrol' o:
[17:44] <Cross> it works now
[17:44] <Cross> :>
[17:44] <Linkmaster> Good. Now, get yourself some none-evil, none proprietary VoIP software :P
[17:45] <Cross> xD
[17:45] <mauro> test
[17:45] <Linkmaster> test?
[17:45] <gr> ok. thanks. i find it.
[18:20] <pckoders> hello anybody expert in shell programming?
[18:21] <susundberg> !ask | pckoders
[18:23] <pckoders> In test command it is given [ -z {$filename} ] Here for wat purpose '-z' option is used and what happens by
[18:23] <pckoders>  keeping $filename inside { }   ?
[18:24] <susundberg> depends on the interpretter i guess
[18:24] <susundberg> bash dash or sh or what?
[18:24] <pckoders> bash
[18:25] <susundberg> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html
[18:27] <susundberg> and for the brackets i guess its only for the good manner: http://www.techtalkz.com/gentoo-linux/262059-why-variable-names-surrounded-squiggly-brackets-runscripts.html
[18:28] <pckoders> @susundberg :  Your link is useful. But I don't find the answer for my question in it.
[18:29] <susundberg> pckoders: for the -z or the brackets? or did i miss the question?
[18:30] <pckoders> @susundberg: I got the answer for brackets thanks for that. And wat abt -z?
[18:30] <susundberg> In the first link you can find it "string is null, that is, has zero length"
[18:30] <susundberg> (google really is your friend)
[18:32] <pckoders> @susundberg: thanks for your help.
[18:32] <susundberg> pckoders: no prop, happy scripting
[18:32] <BajK> will sudo shutdown -r now also correctly end kde like a shutdown triggered from kickoff?
[18:32] <BajK> or do I need to dbus the kcm session manageR?
[18:36] <Linkmaster> BajK: yes, I use it all the time :P
[19:19] <Daskreech> BajK: use the session manager
[19:20] <Daskreech> shutdown -r is a stonger method so it wont' wait for certain things
[19:37] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I've noticed myself that shutdown -r puts the computer to sleep faster then going through the kmenu
[19:39] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: It's more urgent it will not wait for items to save etc
[19:39] <Linkmaster> So basically, it terminates important system processes and then powers off?
[19:40] <Daskreech> On the other hand you are pretty sure that the computer will go down. With KDE's way it will patiently wait for the applications to save data and then signal they are done which may never come
[19:40] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: No it asks everyone to save and shut down
[19:40] <Daskreech> counts to 5 Mississippi then kills them without asking
[19:41] <Linkmaster> Well, with the added 'now' to it that is
[19:45] <afief> Is there a PPA for KDE 4.7 beta?
[19:47] <Daskreech> afief: yes but not poublic
[19:47] <Daskreech> public
[19:47] <BajK> when I install Project Neon it installs to /opt, so I can just run sudo /opt/project-neon/bin/kdm and I can use the KDE master?
[19:48] <afief> Daskreech: :-(
[19:49] <Daskreech> afief: patience :)
[19:49] <afief> Daskreech: that's not one of the three virtues :)
[19:49] <Daskreech> BajK: Possibly
[19:49] <Daskreech> depends on some other variables
[19:49] <Daskreech> afief: 4???
[19:49] <Daskreech> 5. patience
[19:49] <Daskreech> 6. Profit!!
[19:50] <Quintasan> BajK: Nope, just logout and choose Project Neon session from session menu
[19:50] <BajK> so it will register there?
[19:50] <BajK> ok nice :)
[19:50] <Quintasan> BajK: #project-neon for reports and support :)
[20:09] <draik> Hello everyone.
[20:09] <Linkmaster> hey
[20:09] <SIR_Taco> hello indeed
[20:10] <Linkmaster> hey SIR_Taco! :D
[20:10] <SIR_Taco> hi Linkmaster
[20:10] <draik> Has anyone had an issue with Natty in which you you can't press 'up' to see the last entered command from bash history?
[20:11] <Linkmaster> No..though you might want to look into the profiles to make sure it isn't disabled
[20:11] <SIR_Taco> draik: in the actual console? or in Konsole?
[20:12] <ryrych> I have a problem :D
[20:13] <ryrych> my own custom typographic keyboard layout that worked on 10.10 won't work on 10.04
[20:14] <ryrych> I did what was needed and the last step was to select it in layout indicator
[20:14] <ryrych> but somehow it won't work
[20:14] <ryrych> my layout *is* visible, I can add it to the list but nothing happens
[20:15] <ryrych> as I said it worked on 10.10
[20:15] <SIR_Taco> draik: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html#s18 (assuming you're talking about the terminal
[20:15] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: so you've set up a custom key layout on your keyboard?
[20:16] <ryrych> SIR_Taco, yes, and it is visible in KCM keyboard module
[20:16] <ryrych> it seems that the switcher is borked
[20:17] <ryrych> for 100% it is different then it used to be
[20:17] <SIR_Taco> ok, give me a second
[20:17] <ryrych> OK
[20:17] <Daskreech> draik: do you hve a history?
[20:18] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: have you tried doing it manually? (ie through the terminal?)
[20:19] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: yes, I did it with: setxkbmap -layout pl -variant typographic -v
[20:19] <ryrych> btw. it was required
[20:20] <SIR_Taco> did you also : sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[20:20] <ryrych> let me try it
[20:23] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: hm, but output of setxkbmap is at the end "Error loading new keyboard description"
[20:23] <ryrych> I am not sure it was around in 10.10
[20:24] <draik> Daskreech: Yes, I can see history and I can see it there.
[20:24] <ryrych> anyway, after that I can typo in my custom characters, that is, the layout is not active
[20:24] <ryrych> * I can't type in
[20:24] <Daskreech> draik: so ^r works ?
[20:25] <draik> SIR_Taco: Not regarding the scrollback, just pressing 'up' arrow to see the last entered commands.
[20:26] <draik> I just restarted it and now it works. However, now I'm not on the network (again) :(
[20:26] <draik> Daskreech: Yes, I was able to ^r
[20:27] <SIR_Taco> draik: ah ok, that's odd
[20:27] <draik> This happened after my upgrade to Natty
[20:30] <ltheory> I am unable to enable interface on 11.04 even though the enable networking is checked
[20:30] <SIR_Taco> draik: what about reconfiguring bash?
[20:30] <SIR_Taco> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure bash"
[20:40] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: any clues?
[20:43] <SIR_Taco> I'm used to dealing with the extra keys on a keyboard, not the regular keys.... I could walk you through remapping them all... but that's just crazy
[20:46]  * Linkmaster shudders at the concept of remapping every single key
[20:51] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: you should shudder... lol
[20:52] <Linkmaster> Well...isn't key rempaping amongst the things that one shouldn't do unless required to?
[20:52] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: have you tried following this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/13049 ?
[21:15] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: setxkbmap can't read my layout description but it did in 10.10 - I didn't change anything. I look for errors in layout and evdev files but found nothing wrong
[21:15] <ryrych> how can I test my layout? to check if it is compatible with system?
[21:16] <ryrych> I don't know what description system is talking about - my config files seems fine, I double-checked it
[21:19] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: shouldn't the '-layout pl' be '-layout "pl"'?
[21:20] <SIR_Taco> I'm new to this... just trying to figure it out.... I don't use the French Canadian variant of my keyboard
[21:22] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: according to man, no
[21:22] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: ok... every command I've found online has quotes around the layout name
[21:23] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: I can load other variants with the same scheme but not mine layout
[21:23] <ryrych> there is something wrong with config files - maybe something changed in 10.4?
[21:23] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: which makes me think there must be something wrong in your config file...
[21:24] <ryrych> *11.4
[21:25] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: which language are you using for the keyboard?
[21:28] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: Polish
[21:28] <ryrych> but I found similar problem
[21:28] <ryrych> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=89705
[21:30] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: but your keyboard works in the console, and non-kde programs?
[21:31] <SIR_Taco> I wonder if it's not a keyboard layout problem, but a locale problem
[21:33] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: nope, my own layout doesnt work at all - I can choose other variants of polish layout. I am sure that something changed in ubuntu/kubuntu.
[21:34] <Chronix> 64 bit definitely better than 32
[21:34] <Chronix> i just switched
[21:34] <ryrych> I'll try to check evdev.xml
[21:34] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: that is quite possible. Still can't change time format via GUI... as we found out the other day lol
[21:36] <ryrych> oh yeah, mine is also not local :)
[21:37] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: it's not the local that's the problem... it's switching from 12 to 24 hour clocks
[21:44] <Chronix> why does the window get "pixeled" when i move it
[21:44] <Chronix> i got pixels all over the screen
[21:44] <sergey> 123
[21:48] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: do you have hardware acceleration?
[21:48] <Chronix> im new to linux, so where should i check that out? lol
[21:49] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: do you know what video card you have?
[21:49] <Chronix> gt 240
[21:49] <Chronix> im on 64 bit with 8gb ram and a phenom 9650
[21:50] <Chronix> http://img804.imageshack.us/i/img0021i.jpg/ its dark but you should see what i mean by what i said
[21:52] <Chronix> i tried disabling desktop effects aswell
[21:52] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: quick and easy way, open Konsole... type "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[21:53] <Chronix> ill tell you what it said? o.0
[21:53] <SIR_Taco> sure
[21:53] <Chronix> 10709116 50
[21:53] <Chronix> and nvidia is written in red idk if that matters
[21:55] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: that's fine... the red is just the highlighted searched text.... what if you go to your application menu (start menu) go to Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers...  does it show "Nvidia accelerated graphics driver......." as enabled?
[21:57] <Chronix> sec
[21:58] <amichair> !info java
[21:58] <amichair> !info sun-java6-jdk
[21:58] <amichair> !info sun-java6-jdk partner
[21:59] <Chronix> im reinstalling it
[21:59] <Chronix> because it was activer
[22:01] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: ok, good idea
[22:01] <Chronix> whats a good irc client? so i wont get on the browser since i have to restart and ill probably drop in here more often i guess :P
[22:02] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: I'm lazy... so I use Quassel :)
[22:03] <Chronix> lol fdidnt even notice it was already installed
[22:04] <SIR_Taco> that's what makes it lazy ;)
[22:04] <Chronix> who cares as long as it does the job
[22:04] <Chronix> brb
[22:10] <Chronix> well that looks fixed now but i guess the audio isnt xD
[22:10] <Chronix> omg -.-
[22:10] <Chronix> not like its already easy enough to switch between os
[22:13] <Chronix> Chronix Asdf123
[22:17] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: what's the audio problem?
[22:17] <Chronix> btw how can i register the nick?
[22:18] <SIR_Taco> Chronix:  /msg nickserv register
[22:19] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: /msg nickserv help register
[22:19] <SIR_Taco> is what I meant haha
[22:21] <Chronix> ok done thank you :P
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome
[22:22] <Chronix> about the audio its a little disturbed sometimes
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> like choppy?
[22:23] <SIR_Taco> or distorted?
[22:23] <Chronix> more like distorted i think
[22:24] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: ok... watching a movie? playing through Amarok/Audo player? Flash video in a web browser? or everything?
[22:24] <Chronix> not everything and not everytime.. for example at the skype login it gets like that ( sometimes )
[22:25] <SIR_Taco> when initially loading Skype?
[22:26] <Chronix> ye but its just rare.. i guess ill just leave it as it is unless it changes
[22:26] <Chronix> or i may try reinstalling drivers again
[22:26] <Chronix> for the sound too
[22:27] <Chronix> btw, is there any shortcuts to open the terminal
[22:27] <Chronix> im too used to win + r -> cmd when i needed it xD
[22:27] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: it's likely just a load problem... the sound drivers are likely in the kernel, so there's really no re-installing them
[22:27] <Chronix> ill live with it then
[22:27] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: Alt-F2 -> type konsole
[22:27] <Chronix> ah there
[22:28] <Chronix> woot
[22:28] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: you can map window key + r to konsole if you really want
[22:28] <Chronix> nono its ok
[22:28] <Chronix> lol
[22:28] <SIR_Taco> haha ok
[22:29] <Chronix> i want to start using linux because i want to start exploring how computers really work and learn aswell how to program
[22:30] <Chronix> i only use windows for games anyways, but i have played enough years already
[22:30] <Chronix> so i can live without them
[22:30] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: excellent way to start
[22:30] <Chronix> if i really think about it windows is only useful for games in the end ( my point of view )
[22:31] <Chronix> well but you know what games are useful for? :P
[22:31] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: if there's one thing to understand from the beginning (which is very apparent in Windows) is that there is a front-end and a back-end to programming
[22:31] <SIR_Taco> I meant... which ISN"T very apparent from Windows....
[22:32] <Chronix> isnt the backend lets say "the admin panel" and front end "the website" ?
[22:32] <Chronix> im not talking about sites just the concept
[22:33] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: think of it this way: your program runs in the terminal/console (backend) you use it using the GUI (front-end)
[22:34] <Chronix> so basicly linux is all a console with a gui
[22:35] <SIR_Taco> Might sound strange, but yes... and that's the way Windows and Mac are as well... you just don't see it and/or can't access it.
[22:36] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: thats how I've always thought about it :P
[22:36] <Chronix> i always thought mac sucks tbh, why you pay for something that does less than windows
[22:36] <Chronix>  ? :S
[22:36] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: good :)
[22:36] <Chronix> what
[22:36] <Chronix> o.o
[22:36] <Chronix> he didnt say anything
[22:36] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: it's good software, just expensive
[22:38] <Chronix> i dont see the point in buying it tbh
[22:38] <SIR_Taco> maybe I'm just getting soft in my relatively old age (haha) but I think Linux, Mac, and MS have something to offer in their own niche
[22:39] <sourcemaker> is there any way to convert the old data structure from ext3 after migration to ext4?
[22:40] <SIR_Taco> sourcemaker:  https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto
[22:40] <Chronix> well we all got different point of views.. mine is "either windows or linux" :P anyways, i wanna discover more about linux
[22:40] <SIR_Taco> scroll down to "Converting an ext3 filesystem to ext4"
[22:40] <Chronix> it will take me a while to get used to it but i wont give up
[22:40] <guest09876> hello im having problems getting my wireless to work
[22:41] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: I prefer Linux :)
[22:41] <sourcemaker> SIR_Taco: I know this... and I would like to solve the problem: "old structures will remain untouched"
[22:42] <Daskreech> Chronix: Most people are just paying for the hardware.
[22:42] <Daskreech> In theory the mac os sells for like 50 dollars above the cost of the hardware
[22:42] <Daskreech> guest09876: What is your wireless card?
[22:42] <SIR_Taco> sourcemaker: I think the only way to avoid that is to backup your files and re-install to be honest.... unless someone else has a bright idea....
[22:42] <guest09876> well linux doesnt know i think
[22:42] <Chronix> the imac dual core which still costs like 1000€ or less now since the quad one is out sucks .. i mean with 1000€ you do much more on a pc
[22:43] <guest09876> it gives me two outputs
[22:43] <guest09876> ill type them out
[22:43] <SIR_Taco> Chronix: like I said... it fills a niche... just like a Porche fills a niche :)
[22:44] <guest09876> PRO/Wireless 4965 AG OR AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
[22:44] <guest09876> its on a old laptop someone gave me
[22:44] <tchangang> hi
[22:45] <SIR_Taco> hi tchangang
[22:45] <guest09876> its a inspiron 1525 its at least four years old
[22:46] <tta> do someone knows somthing about scite, i need a help installation
[22:47] <guest09876> kubuntu 11.04 is working wonderfully on it
[22:47] <guest09876> with deaktop effects enable
[22:47] <guest09876> no problems but the wireless doesnt work
[22:49] <tta> guest09878: have you verify system > network settings?
[22:51] <Chronix> ok now i should find something new to discover :P
[22:53] <guest09876> tta, sorry i was away
[22:53] <guest09876> i dont think so
[22:53] <uberdub> can anyone help with a wifi issue
[22:53] <uberdub> fresh install just stoppped working all of a sudden
[22:54] <Chronix> looks like many people are having wifi problems today i saw like 4 or 5
[22:54] <tta> guest09878: so go ahead
[22:54] <uberdub> http://pastebin.com/S5AzV25K
[22:54] <uberdub> driver is unclaimed
[22:54] <uberdub> shows loaded by lsmod
[22:54] <uberdub> lspci shows it too
[22:55] <uberdub> it worked otb upon install, for a minute, then just kapoot
[22:55] <guest09876> i dont see network settings
[22:55] <guest09876> tta
[22:55] <uberdub> tried unloading, and loading no luck
[22:56] <guest09876> tta, i see what u mean knowyo
[22:56] <uberdub> sudo rmmod ath9k && modprobe ath9k
[22:56] <uberdub> ERROR: Module ath9k does not exist in /proc/modules
[22:57] <tta> guest09878: so look in administration
[22:57] <guest09876> yes i already tried to scan for a network
[22:57] <guest09876> it doesnt show anything
[22:57] <guest09876> when i try through a terimal it says network card unable to scan
[22:57] <uberdub> the file does have ath9k in there though
[22:57] <tta> which kubuntu do you use?
[22:58] <uberdub> me?
[22:58] <uberdub> 11.04
[22:58] <guest09876> im using 11.04 on the new laptop i have
[22:58] <guest09876> the one with the "problem"
[22:58] <uberdub> so far, everything is working great right otb cept wifi
[22:58] <guest09876> i have it up and running
[22:59] <uberdub> and even it worked for a minute, before it quit
[22:59] <uberdub> Im imressed everything else is working with no headaches though
[22:59] <uberdub> slack was a pain
[23:00] <uberdub> didnt want to write my own config scripts from scratch
[23:00] <uberdub> meh
[23:00] <guest09876> tta, i dont know what administration is?
[23:01] <guest09876> i know where systm administration ise
[23:01] <tta> guest09876: it is
[23:01] <guest09876> software management?
[23:02] <guest09876> heck thats kpack
[23:02] <uberdub> any body have any ideas what went wrong?
[23:04] <guest09876> i dont want to use xps driver heard its a little unstable
[23:04] <guest09876> probably going to but a usd network card the works
[23:04] <guest09876> that*
[23:05] <guest09876> buy*
[23:07] <george_> Ok, so everything was just fine when suddenly the panel icon of Kpackagekit is not displayed properly anymore. Instead of the animated icons, it just displays a white sheet whit a "?". Can anyone helpe me to fix that?
[23:08] <guest09876> uh?
[23:09] <guest09876> i just added kpack to my deaktop
[23:09] <guest09876> it has a icon for it
[23:09] <guest09876> im running 11.04
[23:10] <guest09876> have yoou recently add any icon themes?
[23:10] <guest09876> only thing i can think of
[23:10] <guest09876> did you m5d you cd before installing?
[23:10] <guest09876> your*
[23:10] <george_> guest09876: No, I'm running 11.04 as well, by the way.
[23:11] <tta> guest09876: is it ok with your wifi card? i was away
[23:11] <guest09876> tta, well its not working
[23:12] <guest09876> tta, linux doesnt know which card it is
[23:12] <guest09876> PRO/Wireless 4965 AG OR AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
[23:12] <guest09876> or?
[23:12] <guest09876> lol
[23:13] <guest09876> i think im going to openup the laptop see what the card is
[23:13] <tta> do you have wifi radar?
[23:13] <guest09876> nope
[23:14] <guest09876> thats for hmm gnome right?
[23:14] <guest09876> tta, im not going to use a xp drive
[23:14] <guest09876> driver
[23:15] <guest09876> on fourm they say its unsable
[23:15] <guest09876> on fourms they say its unsable*
[23:15] <guest09876> stable*
[23:15] <guest09876> this is after i installed nsdwapper
[23:16] <guest09876> then i was like crap
[23:16] <guest09876> the only drivers i was able to find are in exe's
[23:16] <tta> your wifi card is working under windows?
[23:17] <guest09876> was windows vista
[23:17] <guest09876> but its gone now
[23:18] <guest09876> i do have a old xp os cd but it doesnt have any drivers on it
[23:18] <guest09876> tta, yes it was working on windows vista
[23:19] <guest09876> that thing had malware all in it
[23:19] <guest09876> i didnt feel like fixing it
[23:20] <guest09876> the os would frezze with in four minutes of runnning
[23:20] <guest09876> and missing files on it
[23:20] <guest09876> 11.04 hasnt crashed on it once ")
[23:20] <guest09876> :) *
[23:21] <guest09876> load time fast fast
[23:21] <tta> hmmmm hein , maybe it caused some problemes
[23:21] <guest09876> hmm dont think so
[23:22] <guest09876> think the bios on the motherboard mat have a virus in it?
[23:22] <guest09876> may*
[23:22] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: are you there?
[23:23] <kubu2> guest09876: then update your bios
[23:24] <uberdub> anybody?
[23:24] <guest09876> uberdud, you and me are going to take a trip to the store to buy some wifi cards lol
[23:25] <tta> guest09876, i am not sure that i can help you, maybe kubu2 is right
[23:25] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: more-or-less.... what's up?
[23:25] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: anyway, I pulled it off! Man, it was pretty hard to figure it out!
[23:25] <uberdub> My card was working fine
[23:25] <ryrych> it seems that newer version is more complaint with their specification
[23:25] <guest09876> oh
[23:26] <uberdub> is there a such thing as a card that just works in linux, with out headache?
[23:26] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: ah, so the definition file was just a little off?
[23:26] <uberdub> Ive never met one
[23:26] <ryrych> in my layout I included basic Polish layout with 'include "basic"'
[23:26] <ryrych> SIR_Taco: it was OK
[23:26] <ryrych> but now it couldn't fint it
[23:27] <uberdub> linux on laptops is a pita
[23:27] <ryrych> so I had to be more strict and use 'pl(basic)'
[23:27] <ryrych> (pl is a file with Polish layouts)
[23:27] <guest09876> uberdub, the current laptop im on i had opensuse 11.2 11.3 11.4 mint and ubuntu 10.10 and ubuntu 10.04 on it all of them had no problems with wifi
[23:27] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: aaah, ok makes sense
[23:27] <ryrych> (basic is… er… basic layout)
[23:27] <ryrych> phew…
[23:27] <uberdub> lucky you
[23:28] <uberdub> Ive never had linux just work with out tweaking on any wifi card
[23:28] <guest09876> but the drivers are the the kernal lol
[23:28] <ryrych> SIR_TACO: thanks for devoting your time! bye for now
[23:28] <ryrych> Ku rocks :D
[23:28] <SIR_Taco> ryrych: you're welcome
[23:28] <ryrych> (but sometimes sucks :()
[23:29] <uberdub> linux drivers seem to suck in general
[23:29] <amichair> is it possible to restore a partition to working state after it's been resized (but data hasn't moved yet)?
[23:29] <uberdub> and I dont have the time to write my own, nor am i fluent in any modernlanguages, or care to be
[23:30] <guest09876> uberdub, i wish linux had a actual file system
[23:30] <guest09876> instead of one program being cut up into three different places
[23:31] <MarcoPau> hello, I would like to disable the panel icons of some applications. is it possible?
[23:31] <taglass> uberdub: C isn't exactly modern :)
[23:32] <amichair> MarcoPau: right-click on the system tray and change the settings for display or entries
[23:34] <MarcoPau> amichair: I'm not talking about the tray, I'm talking about the panel
[23:35] <amichair> MarcoPau: you mean the task manager? what icons do you want to disable?
[23:43] <MarcoPau> amichair: kopete for sure, since I already have it in the tray
[23:44] <amichair> MarcoPau: getting tasks to not appear in the task manager is a per-application setting, as far as I know, and is possible only in those applications that support it
[23:45] <MarcoPau> amichair: gotcha. useless search then?
[23:46] <MarcoPau> I see you can set it to show only minimized apps or apps that are on the desktop you're using
[23:46] <amichair> MarcoPau: kopete and such apps that do have a tray icon sometimes do have such a setting, so you can look for it in it's own configuration options, but there's no generic pick-and-choose as far as I know
[23:48] <MarcoPau> alright, thanks ami
[23:48] <MarcoPau> amichair
[23:48] <uberdub> can anyone help with wifi
[23:48] <uberdub> ?
[23:51] <MarcoPau> uberdub: ask your question
[23:53] <guest09876> marcopau, he said his wifi stop working
[23:53] <uberdub> well, ath9k just stopped working
[23:53] <guest09876> way way up he has it in detail
[23:53] <uberdub> http://pastebin.com/S5AzV25K
[23:53] <guest09876> scrolll up
[23:54] <uberdub> [ 6078.362597] ath: Couldn't reset chip
[23:55] <guest09876> what usd wifi card would someone recommend for linux?
[23:57] <guest09876> uberdub, do you have a kernel >= 2.6.27?
[23:57] <hn> ubottu: tar.gz
[23:58] <MarcoPau> guest09876: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/
[23:58] <guest09876> marco, i was looking for a conversation lol