| airtonix | sagaci: the most you'd be teaching with cert4 is jobseekers. | 12:07 |
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| airtonix | anything more serious than that and you won't get employed without a teachers degree | 12:07 |
| airtonix | and THEN you'll be forced to teach things like : it's Microsoft Word, not a word processor | 12:08 |
| airtonix | until you complete a PHD on how awesome the ribbon bar in ms office is | 12:08 |
| airtonix | then you can become a program director | 12:08 |
| airtonix | that's when you get to tell others what they'll be teaching | 12:09 |
| airtonix | better off sneaking ubuntu in sideways from corporate training sessions | 12:10 |
| gorilla | teaching as field is one to get out of... you are not going to make a difference to someone's life. | 12:10 |
| airtonix | ^ | 12:10 |
| gorilla | training the trainer qualifiication is worth having though... handy for running short courses. | 12:11 |
| airtonix | pays surprisingley well too | 12:11 |
| airtonix | singley!!! | 12:12 |
| gorilla | airtonix: yup... though the non-contact hours can be tough at first as you scronge the materials together. | 12:12 |
| sagaci | airtonix, are you a teacher at a tafe? | 12:16 |
| airtonix | sagaci: no but i had some good conversations with some teachers willing to talk to me about it, i was seriously thinking about going through teachers college | 12:17 |
| sagaci | airtonix, i'm nearly finished my b. teach, thinking about doing my cert iv for tafe teaching at half year | 12:18 |
| airtonix | well if you have the degree, then you're halfway there deciding what content is being taught | 12:19 |
| airtonix | you just have to find a school where the program director wants your opinions | 12:19 |
| airtonix | most of the time they don't. some of the time they do but can't take it because the government dictates the content. | 12:19 |
| airtonix | so my advice is to not focus so much on the idea of windows or linux, but rather the concepts used on both systems that should be standardised but currently are not. | 12:20 |
| airtonix | like, use python & qt instead of visualbasic | 12:20 |
| airtonix | or slip in sessions on understanding the importance on referencing and how it is related to intergrating the choice of OSS license in a software project | 12:21 |
| gorilla | they are still teaching Visual basic?? ew-gawds. | 12:22 |
| airtonix | yeah | 12:22 |
| airtonix | quite a bit | 12:22 |
| airtonix | because microsoft give windows for free to schools | 12:22 |
| gorilla | Who uses that crap in industry? | 12:22 |
| airtonix | enough people for it to be taught | 12:22 |
| gorilla | airtonix: Grrr... that makes me cross. | 12:23 |
| airtonix | fortunately my last year at tafe i was able to persueade my GUI interface course teacher to let me do the stuff in vbGTK | 12:23 |
| airtonix | so i didn't have to use visual studio | 12:23 |
| airtonix | i also showed him how much faster it was to create the same gui example interface in pyQT4 than it was in VB | 12:24 |
| airtonix | not to mention i could run it on a lot more systems | 12:24 |
| airtonix | but yeah, huge lack of standards and quality processes being taught in schools today | 12:25 |
| mrshr3d | how does pyQT4 compare to wxGlade/wxPython? I've sort of started using the latter. | 12:25 |
| airtonix | im not sure i've not used wx enough to care | 12:25 |
| airtonix | qt4 has QSS which is CSS for your interface... i don't think wx has that | 12:26 |
| gorilla | airtonix: quality??? you can't be serious. Are we talking secondary or tertiary education here? | 12:26 |
| airtonix | tertiary | 12:26 |
| airtonix | i mean even simple things like documenting your code as you create it | 12:27 |
| gorilla | airtonix: In that case, quality has gone out the window as the uni and tafes receive more funding for each student that passes... So everyone gets a pass! | 12:27 |
| gorilla | Tafe more so... I went through it over 10 plus years ago and saw a lecuturers assitant helping someone through the practial exam... And not someone who had a disability. | 12:29 |
| airtonix | that still happens, but only if you demonstrate a genuine desire to understand the concepts | 12:30 |
| airtonix | if you bludge, they document it and fail you. i think they still get paid too | 12:30 |
| airtonix | but horrendous amount of paperwork to defend the action to the auditors | 12:30 |
| airtonix | to be honest, i'm more impressed by tafe than first year university. | 12:31 |
| gorilla | :-/ that's disgusting. I give up! | 12:31 |
| airtonix | as far as i'm concerned i'd rather have people who understand the concepts but need to refer to manuals, than people who can recite the manual but not understand the concepts | 12:31 |
| airtonix | I actually need an assistant django/python programmer at work, which will be hard to find in south australia | 12:32 |
| airtonix | which reminds me i need to write up an interview process | 12:33 |
| gorilla | airtonix: having someone that cannot go though basic program design or know where to start debugging becomes too hard on the job. | 12:33 |
| airtonix | yeah i'm not there to teach them how to understand the concepts | 12:34 |
| airtonix | about the partiucular project yeah sure. but not basic things like why we follow various PEP protocols | 12:35 |
| airtonix | i i'm sure that there are plenty of people in south australia who i would love to have working with me. but they are already employed | 12:36 |
| airtonix | or even worse... not in south australia | 12:36 |
| gorilla | yeah. I think if I was interviewing someone, I'd have a non-bootable computer sitting on a table and ask them what's wrong with it... just to see if that are observant and the steps that they go through (5 minute exercise) | 12:38 |
| elky | I'd probably respond with "did you put tape over the ram?" | 12:39 |
| gorilla | elky: we use rubber bands instead.. no residue left behind when you remove them | 12:40 |
| elky | gorilla, hah, good one | 12:40 |
| gorilla | elky: I'd unplug the power to the hard drive. | 12:40 |
| elky | also a good one, but not as good as the taped ram which wouldn't be visible without _close_ inspection | 12:42 |
| gorilla | elky: do an obvious fault also :-) | 12:43 |
| elky | gorilla, well if you're after an obvious fault and a non-obvious one, plug the hdd into the cd drive. people don't follow the cables. | 12:43 |
| gorilla | yeah.. it also can show that people follow a checklist based on previous exerience rather than troubleshooting the actual problem in front of them. | 12:45 |
| elky | doing a headcount before actually looking isn't so bad. it's when you stop at the headcount you fail. | 12:46 |
| mrshr3d | I don't follow what you mean by taping ram, do you mean like putting sticky tape on the contacts of the stick of ram then reinserting? | 12:47 |
| elky | yep | 12:47 |
| mrshr3d | lol nice prank hehe | 12:47 |
| gorilla | mrshr3d: No, not a prank. I would not be happy if I found that someone did that to my machine. removing the memory could be just as effective though. | 12:49 |
| mrshr3d | same, but I imagine it as something that would be done as a prank. | 12:52 |
| sagaci | head_victim, pingg | 13:54 |
| head_victim | sagaci: pong | 13:56 |
| sagaci | got a few moments? | 13:56 |
| head_victim | Yeah here for a few minutes | 13:56 |
| sagaci | what were the things I needed to apply for syndication to planet-au... I realise this is like the third time I've asked but it seems to go in one eye and out the other... or if you could pick out the day I asked last if your backlog is long enough 8) | 13:58 |
| sagaci | and also, it's raining here | 13:59 |
| head_victim | Your name, your blog home page, your blog feed and if you like a picture to associate with your blog :) | 13:59 |
| sagaci | did you copy paste that | 14:00 |
| sagaci | dejavu | 14:00 |
| head_victim | Nope, just memory :) | 14:01 |
| head_victim | If you just shoot it to me in an email I can then submit the request | 14:01 |
| head_victim | Brb in a few minutes. | 14:02 |
| sagaci | ubuntu wiki is driving me up the wall, can't seem to get a username, exisiting or being able to register a new one | 14:11 |
| head_victim | sagaci: you're not the only one :/ | 14:28 |
| head_victim | If it continues throughout tomorrow I'd log a bug on launchpad for it | 14:29 |
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