[12:07] sagaci: the most you'd be teaching with cert4 is jobseekers. [12:07] anything more serious than that and you won't get employed without a teachers degree [12:08] and THEN you'll be forced to teach things like : it's Microsoft Word, not a word processor [12:08] until you complete a PHD on how awesome the ribbon bar in ms office is [12:08] then you can become a program director [12:09] that's when you get to tell others what they'll be teaching [12:10] better off sneaking ubuntu in sideways from corporate training sessions [12:10] teaching as field is one to get out of... you are not going to make a difference to someone's life. [12:10] ^ [12:11] training the trainer qualifiication is worth having though... handy for running short courses. [12:11] pays surprisingley well too [12:12] singley!!! [12:12] airtonix: yup... though the non-contact hours can be tough at first as you scronge the materials together. [12:16] airtonix, are you a teacher at a tafe? [12:17] sagaci: no but i had some good conversations with some teachers willing to talk to me about it, i was seriously thinking about going through teachers college [12:18] airtonix, i'm nearly finished my b. teach, thinking about doing my cert iv for tafe teaching at half year [12:19] well if you have the degree, then you're halfway there deciding what content is being taught [12:19] you just have to find a school where the program director wants your opinions [12:19] most of the time they don't. some of the time they do but can't take it because the government dictates the content. [12:20] so my advice is to not focus so much on the idea of windows or linux, but rather the concepts used on both systems that should be standardised but currently are not. [12:20] like, use python & qt instead of visualbasic [12:21] or slip in sessions on understanding the importance on referencing and how it is related to intergrating the choice of OSS license in a software project [12:22] they are still teaching Visual basic?? ew-gawds. [12:22] yeah [12:22] quite a bit [12:22] because microsoft give windows for free to schools [12:22] Who uses that crap in industry? [12:22] enough people for it to be taught [12:23] airtonix: Grrr... that makes me cross. [12:23] fortunately my last year at tafe i was able to persueade my GUI interface course teacher to let me do the stuff in vbGTK [12:23] so i didn't have to use visual studio [12:24] i also showed him how much faster it was to create the same gui example interface in pyQT4 than it was in VB [12:24] not to mention i could run it on a lot more systems [12:25] but yeah, huge lack of standards and quality processes being taught in schools today [12:25] how does pyQT4 compare to wxGlade/wxPython? I've sort of started using the latter. [12:25] im not sure i've not used wx enough to care [12:26] qt4 has QSS which is CSS for your interface... i don't think wx has that [12:26] airtonix: quality??? you can't be serious. Are we talking secondary or tertiary education here? [12:26] tertiary [12:27] i mean even simple things like documenting your code as you create it [12:27] airtonix: In that case, quality has gone out the window as the uni and tafes receive more funding for each student that passes... So everyone gets a pass! [12:29] Tafe more so... I went through it over 10 plus years ago and saw a lecuturers assitant helping someone through the practial exam... And not someone who had a disability. [12:30] that still happens, but only if you demonstrate a genuine desire to understand the concepts [12:30] if you bludge, they document it and fail you. i think they still get paid too [12:30] but horrendous amount of paperwork to defend the action to the auditors [12:31] to be honest, i'm more impressed by tafe than first year university. [12:31] :-/ that's disgusting. I give up! [12:31] as far as i'm concerned i'd rather have people who understand the concepts but need to refer to manuals, than people who can recite the manual but not understand the concepts [12:32] I actually need an assistant django/python programmer at work, which will be hard to find in south australia [12:33] which reminds me i need to write up an interview process [12:33] airtonix: having someone that cannot go though basic program design or know where to start debugging becomes too hard on the job. [12:34] yeah i'm not there to teach them how to understand the concepts [12:35] about the partiucular project yeah sure. but not basic things like why we follow various PEP protocols [12:36] i i'm sure that there are plenty of people in south australia who i would love to have working with me. but they are already employed [12:36] or even worse... not in south australia [12:38] yeah. I think if I was interviewing someone, I'd have a non-bootable computer sitting on a table and ask them what's wrong with it... just to see if that are observant and the steps that they go through (5 minute exercise) [12:39] I'd probably respond with "did you put tape over the ram?" [12:40] elky: we use rubber bands instead.. no residue left behind when you remove them [12:40] gorilla, hah, good one [12:40] elky: I'd unplug the power to the hard drive. [12:42] also a good one, but not as good as the taped ram which wouldn't be visible without _close_ inspection [12:43] elky: do an obvious fault also :-) [12:43] gorilla, well if you're after an obvious fault and a non-obvious one, plug the hdd into the cd drive. people don't follow the cables. [12:45] yeah.. it also can show that people follow a checklist based on previous exerience rather than troubleshooting the actual problem in front of them. [12:46] doing a headcount before actually looking isn't so bad. it's when you stop at the headcount you fail. [12:47] I don't follow what you mean by taping ram, do you mean like putting sticky tape on the contacts of the stick of ram then reinserting? [12:47] yep [12:47] lol nice prank hehe [12:49] mrshr3d: No, not a prank. I would not be happy if I found that someone did that to my machine. removing the memory could be just as effective though. [12:52] same, but I imagine it as something that would be done as a prank. [13:54] head_victim, pingg [13:56] sagaci: pong [13:56] got a few moments? [13:56] Yeah here for a few minutes [13:58] what were the things I needed to apply for syndication to planet-au... I realise this is like the third time I've asked but it seems to go in one eye and out the other... or if you could pick out the day I asked last if your backlog is long enough 8) [13:59] and also, it's raining here [13:59] Your name, your blog home page, your blog feed and if you like a picture to associate with your blog :) [14:00] did you copy paste that [14:00] dejavu [14:01] Nope, just memory :) [14:01] If you just shoot it to me in an email I can then submit the request [14:02] Brb in a few minutes. [14:11] ubuntu wiki is driving me up the wall, can't seem to get a username, exisiting or being able to register a new one [14:28] sagaci: you're not the only one :/ [14:29] If it continues throughout tomorrow I'd log a bug on launchpad for it