[00:46] <LjL> rww: it does seem excessive, i've made a change that might hopefully avoid that
[05:42] <Flannel> !away > reliableNerd
[10:30] <bazhang> bong_, hi
[10:37] <ikonia> time to be removed, 7 minutes to reply is enough
[11:57] <BlouBlou> a user called penos is talking about mature-content in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:00] <ldunn> BlouBlou: the content isn't really banned, but if you'd like it to stop, just say so
[12:00] <ldunn> (in #ubuntu-offtopic)
[12:00] <BlouBlou> well, he talked about hot-girls
[12:00] <BlouBlou> and I think there are better places to talk about it
[12:01] <ldunn> You're allowed to say that in the channel, you know
[12:01] <ldunn> since this is hovering around o4o, if you want the discussion to stop, you can just say so.
[12:01] <BlouBlou> I'll do if he repeats it
[12:01] <BlouBlou> thanks
[12:01] <ldunn> ok
[12:05] <Corey> o4o?
[12:05] <ldunn> hovering around it, ish.
[12:06] <ldunn> or are you asking what o4o is
[12:06] <ldunn> in which case, !o4o
[12:08] <Corey> ldunn: I already have, I'm curious as to what the o4o actually stands for.
[12:08] <ldunn> oh. Offtopic for offtopic
[12:08] <Corey> Ahh, thanks.
[12:09] <ldunn> o7
[12:12] <elky> i believe penos has done this before
[12:13] <ldunn> oh? :/
[12:14] <bazhang> sure he has
[13:06] <bong_> hey
[13:06] <bazhang> bong_, hi
[13:06] <bong_> how are you doing?
[13:07] <bong_> hey??
[13:07] <bazhang> bong_, you are forwarded here from #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:08] <bong_> why?
[13:08] <bazhang> some unpleasant commentary
[13:08] <bong_> oh
[13:09] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic: 2011-05-29T05:47:10 <bong_> chu_: yeah 'cause you're gay, dickhead
[13:09] <bazhang> to wit: ^
[13:09] <bong_> it wasn't me, i dunno bout that
[13:09] <bazhang> same IP address though
[13:10] <bong_> yeah but it wasnt me
[13:10] <elky> you shouldn't irc while too high to a. control yourself or b. remember making an utter fool of yourself the next day.
[13:11] <bong_> well fuck you all dickheads
[13:11] <elky> totally convinced me.
[13:11] <bazhang> clearly a different person did it.
[13:11] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops bong_ Yeah, clearly a different person did it. Not.
[13:12] <bazhang> the one-armed man!
[13:12] <elky> granted, he knew grammar yesterday.
[13:12] <elky> and punctuation
[13:19] <bong_> go fuck yourselves dickheads
[13:20] <elky> @mark #ubuntu-ops bong_ Clearly still a different person.
[13:20] <tsimpson> perhaps the forward should be removed?
[13:27] <elky> well now that you're up tsimpson, i'll leave you and your freshly minted -ot fu to deal with the loltastic situation in there.
[13:27] <elky> ur welcome!
[13:30] <elky> bazhang, i know i should just go, but it's like watching a train on warped tracks...
[13:32] <bazhang> elky, heh yeah. just insane no real profanity or abusiveness so far
[13:34] <bazhang> clearly I spoke waaaay too soon
[15:26] <ikonia> I really do not like "omgubuntu"
[15:27] <Corey> ikonia: is LOLbunto better?
[15:27] <ikonia> no
[15:27] <Corey> lolbuntu even
[15:28] <Corey> Eh, people are going to do different things with it.  I don't let it get to me.
[15:30] <ikonia> it doesn't get to me, I just think it's rubbish
[15:30] <ikonia> I don't like the dribble it churns out being posted/referenced in #ubuntu
[15:31] <Corey> Oh, yo umean it's a nick.  *WHOOSH*
[15:31] <ikonia> no, a website
[15:32] <Corey> Okay, then I'm really behind the eight ball today.
[15:32] <ikonia> omgubuntu.co.uk
[15:32] <ikonia> I'd rather be behind the eight ball than aware of omgubuntu
[15:33] <Corey> What... the ...
[15:34] <Corey> It's like someone threw up Web 2.0 all over a Linux help site?
[15:34] <ikonia> it almost offends me...
[15:34] <Corey> That's up there with howtoforge.com
[15:34] <ikonia> yes, a total sham
[15:41] <Corey> ikonia: Worse than that.  It ventures into the realm of "crap advice."
[15:41] <ikonia> I know, it's just dribble
[15:41] <Corey> I have a factoid in another channel...
[15:41] <Corey> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the  documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to  start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[15:41] <ikonia> not bad
[15:42] <Corey> This is out of #postfix, where not understanding what you're doing can lead to disaster.
[15:42] <Corey> Instead of "My box doesn't work" it's "Why am I sending 5 million messages an hour out of my toybox?"
[15:43] <ikonia> why am I blacklisted.....
[15:43] <Corey> "Why is my ISP turning me off and not accepting my calls and sending me a bill for $10K?"
[15:44] <Corey> Here in adult-land of colocation, some of us pay at 95th percentile for bandwidth. :-)
[15:44] <ikonia> most of the people who read stuff like omgubuntu are not adults
[15:45] <Corey> When I have a specific problem I'll punch in an error message or whatnot and grab the first link or three that show up, but I've also got enough in the way of critical thinking skills to say "That seems ill advised."
[15:45] <ikonia> I'll quote that
[15:45] <ikonia> omgubuntu.co.uk is ill advised
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[15:46] <jussi> nah, just that omgubuntu is a tabloid, they print sensation - its ike reading the Sun, or NOTW
[15:47] <ikonia> they print tosh
[15:48] <jussi> pretty much, but isnt that like all tabloids?
[15:48] <ikonia> I wouldn't even class it as a tabloid
[15:50] <jussi> ikonia: why not? they print wildly inaccurate info, which causes sensation (good and bad alike) == tabloid imho.
[15:56] <vibhav> Thata bad ikonia!
[15:57] <vibhav> Un ban mee!
[15:57] <ikonia> vibhav: no - you are giving out nonsense advice
[15:57] <ikonia> vibhav: I've asked you to READ and understand links before you give them to people
[15:57] <ikonia> your next link you gave was a yolinux link
[15:57] <vibhav> ikonia, sorry!
[15:58] <ikonia> why did you do it after I told you to not do it 2 times
[15:58] <ikonia> why did I have to remove you for doing it a 3rd time after warning you to stop
[15:58] <vibhav> I thought it was a good guide , I read it too
[15:58] <ikonia> it's referencing redhat 9 - does that strike you as a "modern" hardware compatibility guide ?
[15:59] <ikonia> they guy was after ubuntu hardware support (which he got) and other linux distros you're just throwing generic random links at him
[15:59] <vibhav> okkk
[15:59] <ikonia> it's not ok
[15:59] <vibhav> sorry!
[15:59] <ikonia> I asked you to stop 2 times
[16:00] <ikonia> you did it again, a 3rd
[16:00] <Corey> vibhav: The goal is to give good advice, not "throw a bunch of links at people and hope one solves the issue"
[16:00] <vibhav> OK!
[16:00] <ikonia> you're not even reading the links you're giving
[16:00] <Corey> vibhav: Nobody knows it all-- if you're not sure on an issue, it's okay to not answer. :-)
[16:00] <vibhav> I was reading this one
[16:00] <vibhav> OK I appologize
[16:00] <ikonia> I appreciate that
[16:00] <ikonia> but why did you do it after I told you 2 times not to
[16:00] <vibhav> I thought that link might be good
[16:01] <ikonia> why ?
[16:01] <ikonia> what part of it looks good compared to what he's askig ?
[16:01] <ikonia> asking
[16:01] <vibhav> I said I am sorry
[16:01] <ikonia> did you read the link ?
[16:01] <vibhav> yeah
[16:01] <ikonia> ok, so what part of it looked good against what he was asking ?
[16:02] <ikonia> what part of it did you think "that will help him" ?
[16:02] <vibhav> Ram memory?
[16:02] <ikonia> what ????
[16:02] <ikonia> he asked for supported hardware lists
[16:02] <vibhav> Ok!
[16:02] <vibhav> I am sorry * 100000
[16:02] <ikonia> I get that you're sorry
[16:03] <vibhav> (honest)
[16:03] <ikonia> I appreciate that
[16:03] <ikonia> but what I don't understand is why you ignored what I told you to do
[16:03] <vibhav> I will use  ubbottu from now on
[16:03] <ikonia> if you don't know/understand what someone is asking, or the information you're reading.....don't offer it to people as advice
[16:03] <vibhav> I did not know that you were an op
[16:03] <ikonia> it doesn't matter if I'm an op or not
[16:04] <vibhav> ok!
[16:04] <vibhav> Ill not do it again *sob*
[16:04] <ikonia> as common sense what I asked you to do "not post links that are not useful or you've not even read" is common sense
[16:04] <vibhav> Ok i will not post links that are not useful or I've not even read
[16:04] <ikonia> you said that when I asked you not to do it....then your next post was another random link
[16:04] <vibhav> ok
[16:04] <ikonia> I think you should take a bit of time out of ubuntu
[16:04] <ikonia> #ubuntu sorry
[16:05] <vibhav> Please dont make this public
[16:05] <ikonia> make it public ?
[16:05] <ikonia> it's a public channel you're talking in
[16:05] <vibhav> Dont tell it to anybody else
[16:05] <ikonia> errr, these are public channels
[16:05] <IdleOne> We wont
[16:05] <vibhav> oops
[16:05] <vibhav> Thanks!
[16:06] <vibhav> !beanop | vibhav
[16:06] <ikonia> are you serious ?
[16:06] <IdleOne> vibhav: .msg ubottu !canibeanop
[16:06] <vibhav> yeah
[16:06] <IdleOne> vibhav: /msg ubottu !canibeanop
[16:06] <ikonia> my word
[16:06] <ikonia> vibhav: you're in a channel because you've just been kicked from because you can't follow instruction or give useful advice
[16:06] <IdleOne> vibhav: I think you are done here for now. Please part the channel.
[16:06] <ikonia> you then ask "can I be an op"
[16:06] <ikonia> think it through
[16:06] <vibhav> basically on 14 May I am not here
[16:07] <vibhav> I signed yesterday the code of conduct too
[16:07] <ikonia> so ?
[16:07] <vibhav> I am waiting for 14th
[16:07] <ikonia> why ? what happens on the 14th may ?
[16:08] <ikonia> I'm not following what you're saying
[16:08] <ikonia> (sorry)
[16:08] <vibhav> 29th mAy sorry
[16:08] <ikonia> changing the date doesn't explain to me what you're talking about
[16:08] <IdleOne> I think he is talking about the ircc meeting
[16:09] <vibhav> The IRC council meeting is on 29th  May , And I am not there
[16:09] <IdleOne> 2 Sat and last Sun of the month
[16:09] <ikonia> ah
[16:09] <ikonia> vibhav: if you have an agenda item, you can put it on the meeting list
[16:09] <ikonia> (if you want to have an item talked about, you can put it on the agenda for that meeting)
[16:10] <vibhav> How do I do that?
[16:10] <ikonia> one moment and I'll get you the link
[16:10] <vibhav> ok
[16:10] <ikonia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[16:11] <vibhav> I dont have a Wiki Page
[16:11] <ikonia> what has that got to do with ading an agenda item ?
[16:11] <vibhav> "A good wiki page about you, and the work that you've done, with some testimonials. "
[16:12] <ikonia> ooh, you want to be an IRC member ?
[16:12] <IdleOne> vibhav: you will need one if you want to become an op, you also need a launchpad account. make sure you have all the requirements before adding yourself to the ircc meeting agenda
[16:12] <vibhav> An irc op
[16:12] <IdleOne> also read the information that ubottu gave you carefully about how to apply for an op position
[16:13] <IdleOne> vibhav: first things first, learn the channel guidelines and understand them.
[16:15] <topyli> i don't think it's a good time to apply for ops when you're banned from the channel itself
[16:15] <ikonia> exactly
[16:16] <IdleOne> I agree but hopefully vibhav will listen to our advice about learning and following the guidelines
[16:16] <ikonia> less so when you still ignore what people are saying
[16:16] <ikonia> IdleOne: just gave you the link with instructions, so you joined #ubuntu-irc and asked again
[16:16] <vibhav> ok
[16:16] <ikonia> pretty insulting to AGAIN not read links
[16:16] <vibhav> noo
[16:17] <vibhav> Done the procedures
[16:17] <IdleOne> vibhav: This is just my opinion but I would suggest you give a good solid 6-8 months of support in #ubuntu without getting banned and then perhaps apply for an ops position
[16:17] <vibhav> Ok
[16:18] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops vibhav unable to follow instruction, wants information but won't read the information given to him
[16:18] <vibhav> Am I banned on the ubuntu channels
[16:19] <IdleOne> vibhav: yes, ikonia asked you to take a few days break
[16:19] <ikonia> vibhav: no, I've just put you on mute so you can't speak
[16:19] <vibhav> Please
[16:19] <IdleOne> oh right
[16:19] <ikonia> yet, I like the fact that I asked you to take a break and you thought you where banned, so straight away you tried to join
[16:19] <ikonia> good idea
[16:19] <vibhav> Un Bann me
[16:19] <ikonia> you are NOT banned
[16:19] <ikonia> you are muted so you can't speak, but can observe
[16:20] <vibhav> so unmute me
[16:20] <ikonia> no, not at this time
[16:20] <vibhav> please
[16:20] <Corey> vibhav: Give it a rest for a day or two. You're not helping your case.
[16:20] <ikonia> watch how people help in the channel, it will give you a beter idfea
[16:20] <ikonia> "idea"
[16:23] <ikonia> vibhav: if you don't need anything else from the channel operators, it would be helpful if you could leave the channel (there is a no idle policy) and come back when you do need something please.
[16:26] <Corey> My patience ran out.
[16:26] <ikonia> thank you
[16:26] <Corey> I felt I had to get *something* on the board-- I'm usually too slow to ban and someone else snipes it from me. :-)
[16:40] <vibhav> oops
[16:40] <vibhav> I was away for dinner
[16:40] <vibhav> please unmute me
[16:40] <IdleOne> vibhav: in 48 hours, not before
[16:40] <IdleOne> now please follow the directions given to you.
[16:40] <vibhav> please!
[16:41] <IdleOne> vibhav: I can make it 72 hours if you like
[16:41] <Corey> IdleOne: It's been brought to my attention that I don't have the flags I thought I did here.  :-)
[16:41] <ikonia> I've removed the mute and now changed it to a ban
[16:41] <IdleOne> Corey: yeah I know :)
[16:41] <ikonia> vibhav: you're not banned from #ubuntu
[16:41] <ikonia> "now"
[16:41] <ikonia> you're now banned from ubuntu to be clear
[16:42] <IdleOne> vibhav: Please return here in 48 hours and discuss the removal of the ban, not before.
[16:42] <Corey> IdleOne: Looks like you do, so it's your problem now. :-)
[16:43] <Corey> ikonia: Why did you kick vanski?
[16:43] <Corey> Er, meant to ask that here, not in #ubuntu
[16:43] <ikonia> messaged him
[16:43] <ikonia> with an apology
[16:43] <Corey> I'm typing at a ~1second lag here.
[16:43] <ikonia> I had a little bit of script lag, which was sloppy on my part for not checking
[16:43] <ikonia> vibhav: please leave this channel now
[16:46] <IdleOne> ikonia: feel free to remove that at your leisure
[16:46] <IdleOne> or let me know
[16:46] <ikonia> sorry, no +o here, so I'll have to rely on you
[16:46] <IdleOne> sure thing
[16:46] <ikonia> thanks
[16:46] <Corey> If we get Eir tracking this stuff, I can help out with the... oddities, of her syntax.
[16:47] <IdleOne> I think they are working on that
[16:47] <IdleOne> least that is the word
[16:47] <nhandler> Yep. I've been pushing tsimpson a bit with that ;)
[16:48] <IdleOne> I need to learn how this time banned thingy works in chanserv and autobleh
[16:48] <IdleOne> then again, I'll learn it and we will get eir
[16:48] <Corey> IdleOne: /at USER quiets for ten minutes in my version of autobleh
[16:49] <IdleOne> does it also do timed bans?
[16:49] <Corey> Mine doesn't, no.
[16:49] <nhandler> Although, it has a few quirks if you get disconnected and stuff like that
[16:49] <Corey> nhandler: Aye, but I don't usually have that issue.
[16:49] <IdleOne> yeah I think that is why I never use the timed functions
[16:49] <Corey> I use /at about three times a week, and get disconnected once every three months or so
[16:52] <IdleOne> ban evbading?
[16:52] <IdleOne> evading
[16:53] <IdleOne> vibhav: you realize this type of behaviour is not acceptable and will not look good on your op application
[16:53] <IdleOne> nhandler: can you please take care of this.
[16:55] <Corey> vibhav: Your ban in #ubuntu has now been extended.
[16:55] <Corey> vibhav: Please /part.
[16:56] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu-ops vibhav has expressed interest in becoming an ubuntu op but chooses to ignore the ops advice and ban evade.
[16:56] <Corey> Can someone talk me through actually extending his ban?
[16:57] <IdleOne> extending in what sense?
[16:57] <tsimpson> I guess just make a note in the ban tracker at what date the ban can be removed
[16:57] <IdleOne> by how long should we extend?
[16:58] <CarlFK1> I see no reason not to double it.
[16:59] <IdleOne> sounds good. adding to relevant BT #
[16:59] <Corey> CarlFK1: Forget to identify?
[16:59] <CarlFK1> gah... reconnect.. momment.
[17:00] <Corey> CarlFK1: "Please identify or /part the channel." :-p
[17:00] <CarlFK1> heh
[17:01] <tsimpson> you should probably group that nick if it's one of the alternates in your client
[17:01] <Corey>  /ns help access
[17:02] <CarlFK1> doesn't pidgin have a place to set the fallback nick?
[17:02] <tsimpson> I don't know, and pidgin is not a real IRC client ;)
[17:02] <IdleOne> pidgin!
[17:04] <Corey> http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi changed my life, it may change yours. :-)
[17:04] <IdleOne> Even mirc is better
[17:06] <CarlFK> its not painful enough to motivate me to not do something else
[17:06] <Corey> CarlFK: Let's turn up the mockery then. :-D
[17:06] <CarlFK> swell ;)
[17:08] <CarlFK> Ill dig up my copy of MSChat and trun on comic mode
[17:08] <rww> IdleOne: lies, mIRC is evil, pidgin is merely limited
[17:08] <IdleOne> rww: mirc may be evil but it isn't limited
[17:08] <IdleOne> least not anywhere near as pidgin
[17:08] <rww> I'd rather have limited than evil ;P
[17:08] <IdleOne> debian user!
[17:09] <rww> LOL
[17:09] <IdleOne> :)
[17:09] <rww> irssi > xchat = quassel > pidgin = webchat > empathy > mIRC > BitchX
[17:09] <tsimpson> you forgot 'telnet'
[17:09] <IdleOne> irssi is nice, I just have a really hard time getting used to using it
[17:10] <IdleOne> I am trying (again)
[17:13] <CarlFK> pidgin = webchat   thats harsh
[17:13]  * CarlFK covers pidgin's eyes
[17:13] <rww> hey webchat isn't that bad
[17:14] <rww> although i'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who used empathy for IRC as long as he could stand it
[17:14] <rww> (less than a week)
[17:15] <richap> Why am I banned?
[17:16] <IdleOne> because vibhav you keep ban evading
[17:16] <Corey> And we continue to extend your ban every time you attempt to evade.
[17:16] <richap> CTCP VersioN?
[17:17] <IdleOne> what?
[17:17] <richap> This is another laptop , on vibhav's internet connection and I AM NOT VIBHAV!
[17:17] <richap> * Received a CTCP VERSION from Corey
[17:17] <IdleOne> well thanks to vibhav you are also banned
[17:18] <IdleOne> go complain to him about it. Also let him know we extended the ban to 96 hours
[17:18] <richap> I am his Mother , I too use IRC
[17:18] <richap> Why is the ban extended
[17:18] <IdleOne> Your son has been a bad boy.
[17:18] <CarlFK> a new spin.
[17:18] <jussi> CarlFK: quaseel <3 :D
[17:19] <richap> He told me , he just gave wrong advice
[17:19] <IdleOne> ban evading is against freenode policy and by extension Ubuntu IRC policy.
[17:19] <richap> No , He was not trying to evade the ban, I just joined for some information
[17:20] <IdleOne> you can look for help on the ubuntu forums or askubuntu.com
[17:20] <CarlFK> richap: we don't have the means to sort this kind of thing out.  sadly there is a chance that a bad apple spoils a basket.
[17:20] <IdleOne> the ban will not be removed for 96 hours.
[17:20] <richap> But why was the ban extended , he is not even here
[17:21] <IdleOne> it was extended because he tried to evade the first ban
[17:21] <richap> How did he try to evade , may I know?
[17:21] <IdleOne> and if I have to explain this much longer it will be extended for and extra 48 hours
[17:21] <richap> But I told you I am not vibhav
[17:21] <CarlFK> richap:  we shouldn't discuss problems with other users
[17:22] <richap> why?
[17:22] <IdleOne> right and I can't prove that you are telling me the truth
[17:22] <richap> How do I prove that then ?
[17:22] <tsimpson> you can't, that's the point
[17:22] <IdleOne> by waiting the 96 hours and coming back then to discuss the removal of the ban
[17:22] <richap> If I call vibhav here then?
[17:23] <CarlFK> richap: I suggest you respect our requests..
[17:23] <tsimpson> having two connections from the same IP address does not prove there are two people, so no
[17:23] <richap> Ok bye
[17:24] <richap> Ill just call him then
[17:24] <CarlFK> thanks, bye.
[17:24] <Corey> How not at all unlikely!
[17:25] <vibhav> Did you guys call me?
[17:25] <IdleOne> no
[17:25] <vibhav> That is what my mother said
[17:25] <IdleOne> like we told your "mother" you have to wait 96 hours
[17:25] <vibhav> 96 hours!
[17:25] <IdleOne> yes
[17:26] <vibhav> was not it 48 hours?
[17:26] <IdleOne> it was and then you ban evaded and we extended to 96
[17:26] <vibhav> What is CTCP Version??
[17:26] <IdleOne> ctcp version means nothing
[17:26] <vibhav> I did not evade a ban
[17:26] <IdleOne> you did
[17:26] <vibhav> No I did not
[17:26] <Corey> You're doing it now, even...
[17:26] <CarlFK> vibhav: I think you know enough about IRC, both technical and social.
[17:26] <vibhav> I swear
[17:27] <IdleOne> vibhav: I am growing weary of this..
[17:27] <vibhav> on evrything thats good
[17:27] <vibhav> *everything*
[17:27] <IdleOne> leave now and don't return for 96 hours
[17:27] <CarlFK> vibhav: we don't have the means to sort this kind of thing out.  sadly there is a chance that a bad apple spoils a basket.
[17:28] <vibhav> But at least can I know the proof for my ban evading? And why is mother in quotes?
[17:29] <CarlFK> thanks.  There has to be a web page that addresses the neighbor/mother/cow0rker thing
[17:29] <Corey> I'd not like to ban *!*@58.94.1*, but... :-)
[17:29] <Corey> 1??. even...
[17:30] <CarlFK> Corey: that's what I was going for in #freenode: some way to not ban that but make it hard.
[17:30] <tsimpson> CIDR? or $a?
[17:31] <IdleOne> I almost believe that was his mother
[17:32]  * IdleOne slaps himself back to reality
[17:33] <Corey> IdleOne: She needs Ubuntu help.
[17:33] <Corey> Within ten minutes of her son.
[17:33] <Corey> He's in -ot
[17:33] <IdleOne> I suppose it is possible that he has two ip's in the house
[17:34] <IdleOne> long as he doesn't break any rules in -ot he can be there
[17:34] <IdleOne> ban from one channel does not prevent joining another...that preemptive rule thing
[17:35] <IdleOne> cept in extreme cases
[18:43] <hypatia> rewalsar in #ubunt
[18:44] <hypatia> thx IdleOne
[18:44] <IdleOne> ou got ops there don;t you?
[18:44] <IdleOne> you*
[18:44] <IdleOne> err my typing sucks
[18:45] <Corey> Yeah, I *really* need to stop assuming I've got +o in various #ubuntu- channels. :-)
[18:46] <hypatia> IdleOne: nyet
[18:46] <hypatia> IdleOne: i'm not there terribly often
[18:46] <Corey> Fortunately, I'm still hesitant as anything to actually *use* it.
[18:47] <IdleOne> hypatia: ah, I thawt I thaw you +o there before
[18:47] <IdleOne> :)
[18:56] <ikonia> I'll speak to him in pm
[18:56] <Corey> Okay
[18:57] <Corey> I was updating your crazy ban tracker.
[18:58] <ikonia> I actually wasn't going to kick him (for the record) just mute him fora minute while I spoke to him in BT
[18:58] <ikonia> BT ?? pm I mean
[18:58] <IdleOne> lol is chomping at the bit to remove someone from #u
[18:59] <IdleOne> Corey^
[18:59] <Corey> Sorry.  Had to get onto the board somehow. :)
[18:59] <Corey> I do think that his entry into the channel sorta precluded him being productive.
[18:59] <ikonia> well that's going to fuel the log readers ^
[18:59] <ikonia> Corey: you're correct, he did come in quite in your face
[19:00] <Corey> ikonia: If you spend your life worried about the peanut gallery, you become paralyzed into inaction.  I figure I'll deal with it later. :-)
[19:00] <Corey> ikonia: And I just did a double-take at what you said.  Apparently I misparsed it the first time.
[19:02] <Tm_T> interesting backlog
[19:03] <ikonia> tsimpson: give me a prod when you are online/active/free please
[19:04] <tsimpson> ikonia: I'm here, but just starting the IRCC meeting
[19:04] <ikonia> ahhh
[19:04] <ikonia> tsimpson: can you put 30 seconds aside for me afterwards please
[19:04] <tsimpson> sure
[19:06] <Corey> Oops.
[19:06] <ikonia> nice one Corey
[19:06] <ikonia> you caused a split
[19:08] <IdleOne> why you split me!
[19:11] <jussi> ircc meeting starting now
[20:03] <rww> oh, so that's what was on my mental calendar for Sunday mornings.
[20:25] <tsimpson> ikonia: poke
[20:28] <CarlFK> Corey: I was pondering the math of:  ban *!*@58.94.1*... that would ban 1/131072 of the world.  which would have 0.000 (maybe even more 0s) impact on #ubuntu.
[20:29] <tsimpson> the number of zeros is irrelevant there, 0.0 == 0.0000...
[20:29] <IdleOne> ZERO
[20:29] <CarlFK> it implies accuracy
[20:30] <CarlFK> it's actually greater than 0, but rounded to 0 at that many digits
[20:44] <CarlFK> 1/(2**17) = 0.000008 ...  * 1600 (users in #u) = 0.012207 - so you could apply 50 of those before you enter "probably whack 1 other person"  zone  (I think.)
[20:46] <CarlFK> if we get to the point where we need 50 bans like that, I say we have a clearance sale and go out of business.
[21:11] <rww> This mathing really only works if users are evenly distributed across all IP ranges, which they aren't at all ;P
[21:12] <CarlFK> ill give you that.
[21:15] <CarlFK> I bet we currently ban more friendlies due to a group of people behind a nat than 50 17 bit bans
[21:16] <CarlFK> where the number we are talking about is about 1 per.. month?  year.. not sure how time fits in.
[21:17] <CarlFK> i guess per ban, over the length of the ban.  but the longer the ban is, the more likely it effects someone else.  hmm.
[21:18] <CarlFK> grumble.  this has gone from interesting to anoying.  I am going back to my annoying firewire diagnostic fun
[21:18] <rww> Well, for example, I'm banned from another channel outside the namespace because they set a ban on xyz.abc.* and banned the colo facility my server lives in.
[21:18] <rww> and on the other end of the scale, there are companies with huge IP address blocks that aren't using more than a tiny fraction.
[21:20] <rww> but yeah, NAT is definitely an issue too, even assuming that all the "you banned my brother and also me!" reports are lies ;)
[21:20] <rww> (fun sidenote: I vaguely remember banning all of Verizon Wireless for a few hours ;)
[21:21] <CarlFK> given the wild west/mad max word that is irc, I accept that some people (like you) will get whacked by xyz.abc.
[21:23] <CarlFK> it isn't like getting banded is at all like being locked up.  in that case I favor making sure no friendlies get effected.  or affected?
[21:26] <Jordan_U> Ban forwards should probably be used if there are long term bans on blocks of ips so that friendlies are more likely to be able to understand and resolve the issue.
[21:27] <Jordan_U> Is there any easy way to detect that someone joined from a ban forward so that we aren't asking these unaware users "What business do you have in #ubuntu-ops"?
[21:28] <rww> /msg ubottu @bansearch
[21:28] <rww> apart from that, no
[21:29] <rww> although 1) I do that for everyone who wanders in here anyway, 2) I still ask them how we can help them because imhexperience it tends to work better
[21:56]  * rww reads IRCC meeting log
[21:56] <rww> I note that I've been removing Floodbot bans and quiets after a week of them being set, so no, they're not filling up the ban list or anything ;P
[21:57] <rww> There'd be some utility to someone manually going through each one instead of just removing them based on time, but I don't know that it's enough to be worth the effort.
[21:57] <tsimpson> rww: one person reviewing the bans is less than many people reviewing the bans
[21:59] <rww> I'd rather just have people actually review their own bans, which some of them are not. I don't remember seeing anyone come back after a week of being banned by FloodBot and repeat offend.
[22:00] <rww> but I don't care either way really. I'll carry on keeping an eye on floodbot bans, and if the new method isn't useful, I'll go back to what I've been doing :)
[22:03] <rww> also, I am glad to hear that eir integration is coming along well. looking forward to that :)
[22:07] <LjL> oh i missed another meeting
[22:07] <rww> yeah, I went and scheduled a work shift over the top of it and thought at the time, "isn't there something I need to do then...?"
[22:07] <LjL> it's that there's an item of mine i'm supposed to be present for :\
[22:09] <rww> and I'm glad y'all decided against autoenlisting people into -ops ophood, since I (now) don't want it ;P