[08:54] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: your debian mirror is lagging again. Can you add some monitoring for this, please, it's a real pain
[09:54] <sakhi> happy Sunday
[12:11] <afrodeity> maaz: coffee please
[12:11] <Maaz> afrodeity: There isn't a pot on
[12:11] <afrodeity> maaz: grind the beans
[12:11] <Maaz> afrodeity: *blink*
[12:12] <afrodeity> anybody happen to know what the correct permission should be for dchlient-script?
[12:12] <afrodeity> mine is -rwsr-xr-x but it no working
[16:12]  * Kilos shivers in silence
[16:22] <Kilos> hi all
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:22]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:22] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:22] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[16:23] <Kilos> i used a 6g drive and installed maverick without updating and then upgraded to natty and it works fine
[16:23] <Kilos> so will upgrade mine in aus when data not a prob
[16:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:26] <Kilos> Maaz, ty buddy
[16:26] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[16:26] <Kilos> hehe
[16:27] <Kilos> stupid bot
[16:30] <nlsthzn> Kilos: so are you enjoying Unity?
[16:31] <Kilos> it is the classic nlsthzn 
[16:31] <Kilos> because it says my hardware no good
[16:31] <nlsthzn> Kilos: still... that sucks... oh well...
[16:31] <Kilos> lol
[16:31]  * nlsthzn is now on the slickest Gnome 2.x install he as ever seen... Katya is so sexy...
[16:32] <Kilos> is Katya an os 
[16:32] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Linux Mint 11 "Katya"
[16:32] <Kilos> ah
[16:33] <Kilos> i like gnome it is very noob friendly
[16:33] <Kilos> easy to use
[16:33] <Kilos> kubunt will take me months to work out
[16:34] <nlsthzn> Kilos: :) once you get used to it you will find it as as easy as Gnome
[16:34] <Kilos> yeah just in the beginning nothing is visible. you gotta hunt
[16:34] <Kilos> and add to panel etc
[16:35] <afrodeity> this is annoying, sudo dhclient does nothing, and network-manager refuses to manage even a tadpole
[16:35] <Kilos> i am sure it will be a stiff challenge for office jacks and the like
[16:35] <Kilos> lol
[16:36] <afrodeity> I feel like we're being deprecated into dumb-down mode
[16:38] <marcog> afrodeity: if ubuntu is too dumbed-down for you, there are many other distros out there
[16:38] <Kilos> like windows
[16:39] <marcog> i mean linux distros :P
[16:39] <Kilos> lol
[16:39] <marcog> like gentoo, arch, etc.
[16:39] <Kilos> dont upset him marcog 
[16:39] <Kilos> he is an expert ranter
[16:39] <marcog> i don't mean to upset
[16:39] <marcog> lol Kilos 
[16:39] <Kilos> hehe
[16:41] <nlsthzn> Ubuntu suites me cause you can install and use it... as opposed to setting it up to make it useful :)
[16:41] <marcog> same here
[16:41] <Kilos> yeah
[16:41] <marcog> but there's no one-size-fits-all
[16:41] <Kilos> ubuntu ++
[16:41] <nlsthzn> and in that vain Mint does even a better job of that than Ubuntu... 
[16:41] <nlsthzn> install and go...
[16:42] <marcog> i explored more distros back when i had the time
[16:42] <marcog> right now, ubuntu gets the job done and is widely supported by the community
[16:42] <nlsthzn> True...
[16:43] <afrodeity> febuntu?
[16:45] <nlsthzn> afrodeity: ?
[16:45] <afrodeity> I upgraded my kernel because they got rid of the kernel lock in 39
[16:46] <nlsthzn> afrodeity: have they also sorted out the power regression that was reported?
[16:47] <afrodeity> 39 appears to be huge improvement on 38 which was problematic
[16:47] <afrodeity> no laptop, so can't report on power issues
[16:48]  * afrodeity is listening to Trihedron featuring Opus - DJ Krush (The Message At The Depth) ::: 01. DJ Krush - Trihedron featuring Opus.mp3 ::: 00:35/06:33 @ 192kbps
[17:03] <superfly> afrodeity: did you try to add the interface name after "dhclient"? That *always* works for me
[17:24] <afrodeity> yep, tried sudo dhclient eth0
[17:25] <afrodeity> which command lists interfaces again?
[17:26] <queery> iwlist
[17:26] <queery> is that what you are looking for?
[17:26] <queery> of ifconfig
[17:27] <afrodeity> :)
[17:28] <afrodeity> iwlist is a new one
[17:28] <queery> yea but don't work with all eth
[17:28] <queery> I like it for wifi scanning
[17:28] <queery> sudo iwlist scan
[17:29] <afrodeity> interface no support scanning
[17:30] <queery> you have to be root or sudo to scan the wifi (i'v found)
[17:30] <afrodeity> I am root
[17:30] <queery> oh ok
[17:30] <queery> then it's back to ifconfig
[17:31] <afrodeity> I wish we hadn't split the browser from the os
[17:32] <queery> hu?
[17:32] <afrodeity> off topic, but it would be faster if we just booted into a browser
[17:33] <queery> ok im out
[17:33] <queery> l8er tweeps
[17:33] <afrodeity> oops
[17:40] <superfly> afrodeity: since when was the browser part of the OS (apart from Windows)
[17:42] <magellanic> and chromeos ;)
[17:44] <superfly> magellanic: it's still not technically part of the OS, it's the desktop shell
[17:45] <magellanic> okay, isn't that the same case with windows then
[17:46] <superfly> no, with Windows, the Trident engine is a system DLL
[17:46] <superfly> remember that with Windows, the GUI is part of the OS, they are integrated and inseparable
[17:46] <superfly> on Linux our GUI apps run in X, which itself is just another app on the box
[17:47] <magellanic> hmm okay
[17:50] <afrodeity> it is in a sense, if you surf via a shell, but its an architectural problem
[18:34] <kbmonkey> evening
[18:46] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[18:51] <kbmonkey> hi superfly 
[19:03] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey 
[19:03] <Kilos> kinda cold to sit here
[19:06] <superfly> Kilos: get a blanket and put it over your legs
[19:07] <Kilos> lol. got one but fingers freeze too
[19:08] <superfly> ah
[19:08] <Kilos> wait i get a beanie for ears as well
[19:08] <superfly> it's not that cold here
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <superfly> hehe
[19:08] <kbmonkey> just type faster! he he
[19:08] <Kilos> then no one will understand
[19:08] <kbmonkey> kubuntu 11.04 usb wont boot up on my netbook :/
[19:09]  * superfly gets his "No I won't fix your computer!" quilt his mom-in-law made
[19:09] <kbmonkey> I want a throw with tux on it
[19:10] <kbmonkey> hot chocolate help too
[19:10] <kbmonkey> just dont burn your fingers when you dip them
[19:10] <Kilos> hehe
[19:24] <Kilos> how many usb ports you got kbmonkey 
[19:24] <Kilos> do they all not work
[19:25] <kbmonkey> 4 back and 2 front and they all work
[19:25] <Kilos> kubuntu 11.04 usb wont boot up on my netbook :/ ??
[19:25] <kbmonkey> 4x-usb hub connected too. having port problems?
[19:25] <Kilos> what am i missing
[19:26] <kbmonkey> which ones?
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:26] <Kilos> you said you got that prob not me
[19:27] <kbmonkey> oh lol, no the usb ports work fine, the usb disk wont boot :)
[19:27] <Kilos> my maverick works but member with karmic and the lynx i sometimes had to move things from port to port
[19:27] <kbmonkey> just black, no text nothing. I boot other OS's fine
[19:27] <Kilos> whats on the stick
[19:27] <kbmonkey> kubuntu 11.04
[19:27] <kbmonkey> I used tuxboot to make it from a ISO
[19:27] <Kilos> then you didnt do the iso thing right
[19:28] <Kilos> ah
[19:28] <kbmonkey> however I made the ISO from a CD using dd. that should be fine hey?
[19:28] <kbmonkey> tuxboot is a updated fork of unetbooting 
[19:28] <Kilos> i only made one and used the startup disk creator
[19:29] <Kilos> copied iso to desktop and then did it
[19:29] <kbmonkey> ah, well I dont have the startup disk creator as Im in a crunchbang linux :)
[19:29] <Kilos> ah i learn more
[19:29] <Kilos> lol
[19:31] <Kilos> i went to all the trouble of making a boot stick then found my pc cant do the usb boot thing hehe
[19:31] <kbmonkey> me too!
[19:32] <Kilos> i remember something about unetbootin as well. cant remember where it fitted in
[19:32] <kbmonkey> that was the tool recommended on the Ubuntu help wiki to make usb disks
[19:32] <Kilos> ah maybe i did that too
[19:33] <Kilos> now just need someone to invent a heated keyboard for winter
[19:40] <nlsthzn> Kilos: the main ubuntu site recommends how to make a bootable USB... but it won't matter if your hardware doesn't support it :)
[19:40] <Kilos> lol yeah.
[19:42] <nlsthzn> as soon as youtube finishes uploading a vid a made I will making a blog post about linux mint 11 with some eye-candy :)
[19:43] <Kilos> how do you know if a site has got probs
[19:43] <Kilos> i used this till a week ago and now it dont work anymore
[19:44] <Kilos> Unable to load page
[19:44] <Kilos> Problem occurred while loading the URL http://www.fsms.co.za/next-gen/messages/compose
[19:44] <Kilos> Cannot connect to destination (www.fsms.co.za)
[19:44] <nlsthzn> Kilos: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[19:44] <kbmonkey> cool, give us the link when you do nlsthzn 
[19:45] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: will do
[19:45] <Kilos> lol. just me it says
[19:46] <Kilos> wonder who there doesnt like me
[19:46] <nlsthzn> Kilos: let me try
[19:46] <nlsthzn> Kilos: so far no go for me 
[19:46] <Kilos> i get there but it doesnt send anymore
[19:47] <Kilos> http://www.fsms.co.za/
[19:47] <nlsthzn> Kilos: ah I am also in now... but it seems slow
[19:47] <Kilos> i went there and did the register bit about a month ago and it worked kiff
[19:47] <nlsthzn> maybe the service is a bit over loaded... try refreshing using ctrl+f5
[19:48] <Kilos> ok
[19:50] <Kilos> now it tells me vodacom  is doing maintenance work on their sms site
[19:50] <Kilos> for the last week?
[19:50] <Kilos> can only be in africa
[19:51] <kbmonkey> you sound surprised ;P
[19:56] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <Kilos> works to mtn though so i am happy its not here by me
[19:57] <Kilos> didnt think of trying to a mtn fone till now
[19:58] <Kilos> actually very kiff when it works that site. you send free smses in sa
[19:59] <Kilos> now i want to find one that works to aus
[19:59] <kbmonkey> superfly, you do any/occasional CSS? Know a nice editor?
[20:00] <superfly> kbmonkey: I usually use Kate for HTML and CSS
[20:00] <nlsthzn> Kilos: that is nice... I pay a pretty penny sending messages from here to SA
[20:01] <Kilos> nlsthzn, i think all you need is a sa fone number to register with then it will work from there too
[20:02] <Kilos> i was skeptical first so used a sim no. i dont use anymore and it worked fine
[20:02] <nlsthzn> Kilos: lol, I still have a contract that I have been unable to cancel for more than a year now :/
[20:02] <Kilos> good use that one
[20:02] <Kilos> i am sure it will work and you get 20 smses a day
[20:03] <nlsthzn> Kilos: over kill :)
[20:03] <Kilos> you dont have to use them dodo
[20:03] <Kilos> i used 2 or 3 a week
[20:04] <nlsthzn> so annoying uploading video @ 100kbps :/
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:05] <Kilos> try gprs
[20:05] <Kilos> 14K onna good day
[20:06] <nlsthzn> Kilos: 3G is nice and fast
[20:06] <Kilos> but with broadband you get limited by the providers
[20:07] <Kilos> this modem is only 6 months old and boet not sure if its a 3.2m/s or the 7.?
[20:08] <superfly> Kilos: probably a 7,2
[20:08] <Kilos> but havent seen it over 200KB/s here yet
[20:08] <superfly> *7.2
[20:08] <Kilos> then i had the 3.? wrong
[20:09] <Kilos> 3.6 hey
[20:10] <nlsthzn> you should get close to 1mbps with 3G if memory serves... best way to test is to get a torrent with enough seeders...
[20:11] <Kilos> yeah so they say. i am sure they choke the things
[20:11] <Kilos> or their servers or whatever they got
[20:12] <Kilos> no data to test things. was on gprs so long even 100K is great
[20:13] <nlsthzn> :) the more you get the sooner you realize it isn't enought :)
[20:13] <Kilos> lol
[20:13] <Kilos> you didnt read the need for speed
[20:14] <Kilos> but with data at this price uncapped is the answer
[20:15] <nlsthzn> Kilos: yup... biggest bargain here is the fact that is uncapped... 
[20:16] <Kilos> yeah must be heaven
[20:17] <nlsthzn> Kilos: yup... coming to SA in December and the first thought I was how am I going to do anything online ... here if you don't have internet there are hordes of cheap internet cafes everywhere... you are always connected :/
[20:18] <nuvolari> o/
[20:18] <nuvolari> naand om Kilos, nlsthzn 
[20:18] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: hey
[20:18] <Kilos> naand nuvolari 
[20:21] <kbmonkey> naand!
[20:21] <Kilos> lol naand apie
[20:21] <nuvolari> hallo kbmonkey 
[20:21] <kbmonkey> lol kbapie
[20:22] <Kilos> lol
[20:22] <Kilos> sbapie
[20:23] <Kilos> dont mix your tales
[20:23] <nlsthzn> :)
[20:24] <kbmonkey> oook oook
[20:24] <nlsthzn> You speak the language most deliciously
[20:24]  * kbmonkey pushes the banana button on the keyboard and a fruit drops from a slot
[20:24] <kbmonkey> aah, no electrical shocks today
[20:28] <Kilos> hehehe
[20:34] <nuvolari> lol
[20:34] <Kilos> nlsthzn, try that sms goodie i am hoping it works from aus
[20:35] <Kilos> you can be the guinee pig
[20:35] <nlsthzn> Kilos: k... give me a moment
[20:35] <Kilos> k
[20:35] <nuvolari> guinea?
[20:36] <nlsthzn> Kilos: site is s   l     o                w            ... zzzzz
[20:36] <Kilos> yeah not written in python
[20:37] <Kilos> used to be faster a month back
[20:37] <Kilos> i think they didnt expect so many peeps to use it so its not big enough
[20:41] <nlsthzn> Kilos: one problem... how do you get a reply ? :p
[20:42] <Kilos> in your inbox
[20:43] <nlsthzn> Kilos: oh... and now I need to give a code... yet I have no idea where that bloody sim card is... or what my pin is... but it seems it will work fine from anywhere on the planet... no issues as yet
[20:44] <Kilos> sorry for all the hard work but if you get it working you can save some
[20:47] <nlsthzn> Kilos: nah not really... much more hassle than it is worth... when I hit SA in December I am cancelling it in any case
[20:48] <Kilos> yeah but this fsms works great if they will just upgrade it
[20:49] <Kilos> and smses to aus are close to R2 a time
[21:02] <nuvolari> I'm beat. g'night everyone
[21:03] <Kilos> nag seun. lekker slaap
[21:04] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: good night
[21:08] <Kilos> methinks it be a good idea to go sleep too. night all of you
[21:10] <nlsthzn> Kilos: good night...
[21:14] <kbmonkey> g'nite to all going to zzz :)
[21:14] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: http://nlsthzn.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/hello-katya-my-latest-mistress/ for your viewing pleasure...
[21:15] <nlsthzn> doh too late...
[21:15] <nlsthzn> night kbmonkey 
[21:16] <nlsthzn> cheers all... got to get my beauty sleep too :)