[00:00] <liveuser> what's a recommended size for '/' and '/home'? ubuntu is my secondary os and i do run a test server on it and would like some room but not too much. so i guess i want to know what minimum is so i can use a little more than that
[00:01] <sudokill> liveuser whats  the size of ur drive
[00:01] <sudokill> or free space
[00:02] <sudokill> u can prob get away with 3 or 4 gigs for root rest for home
[00:02] <liveuser> sudokill, my drive is 500 mbs
[00:02] <sudokill> nah too small
[00:02] <sudokill> way too small
[00:02] <astley> s3r3n1t7: i still get errors, http://pastebin.com/cNxEstTu
[00:02] <bluefire> desktop does not load after installing ATI graphics driver. Has anyone faced this problem?
[00:02] <sudokill> maybe something like damn small linux
[00:03] <sudokill> idk much about small distros but if ur new to linux u might find htem harder to use
[00:04] <liveuser> sudokill, how about 20500bs for / and 20500 for /home ?
[00:04] <sudokill> tell me the sizes properly
[00:04] <sudokill> idk what 20500bs is lol
[00:04] <sudokill> 20MB?
[00:04] <liveuser> 20gigs
[00:04] <sudokill> ah
[00:04] <sudokill> do 4gigs for root rest of the space for home
[00:05] <sudokill> or 6 gigs for root to be safe
[00:05] <liveuser> sudokill, thanks
[00:06] <astley> how do i edit a config.mk file to make a compile successfull?
[00:06] <yassine_hell> hey, how can i add a proxy in firefox, cuz i cant find the "options" in "tools"
[00:06] <sudokill> toll options network settings
[00:06] <sudokill> under advanced
 cant find "options"
[00:06] <sudokill> edit, preferences, advanced, network, settings
[00:07] <yassine_hell> thx :)
[00:08] <astley> how do i edit a config.mk file to make a compile successfull?
[00:10] <Vonhinten> Unfortunately, if it's not compiling successfully because the code itself is not compatible with changes in kernel code, then there's not much you're going to be able to do, short of figuring out what in the code changed and fixing it.
[00:10] <KaiDOg> What does a bad superblock mean?
[00:11] <sudokill> bad fs?
[00:11] <astley> Vonhinten: do i need to know code to fix it?
[00:11] <KaiDOg> sudokill, yes
[00:12] <sudokill> there you go then
[00:12] <KaiDOg> what does that mean?
[00:12] <Vonhinten> astley, unless someone else has details or patch diffs for you to fix it, yes...
[00:12] <sudokill> try fsck
[00:12] <astley> Vonhinten: how do i learn what the problem is?
[00:13] <Vonhinten> astley, well, start with the first error message
[00:13] <sudokill> ive never encountered it, but heres a link http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/recover-bad-superblock-from-corrupted-partition/
[00:13] <astley> Vonhinten: if i give you a paste bin of what you ask for would that help?
[00:13] <KaiDOg> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc
[00:14] <Vonhinten> well, I could look at it, but I very likely can't fix the problem for you if it's code related
[00:14] <KaiDOg> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[00:14] <KaiDOg> filesystem.
[00:14] <KaiDOg> But my file is ext3, I don't know why it's looking at ext2
[00:14] <KaiDOg> drive rather, not file
[00:14] <itaylor57> astley, patstebin it
[00:15] <nimbiotics> is it possible to have ffmpeg and winff installed at the same time? I had winff and when when I tried to create a video with imagination I had to install ffmpeg and now I dont have winff.. TIA!
[00:15] <sudokill> KaiDOg, try googling it im not good with that youll prob find lot of answers
[00:15] <KaiDOg> ok
[00:16] <astley> itaylor57: i think it may have worked this time http://pastebin.com/DGR70EBX what do you think?
[00:16] <nimbiotics> solved
[00:17] <sudokill> astley looks ok
[00:17] <astley> sudokill: restart?
[00:17] <sudokill> do it anyway
[00:18] <sudokill> i havent followed exactly what ur doing
[00:19] <sudokill> unless ur running some server that needs to be up constantly just restart anyway
[00:19] <KaiDOg> sudokill: I figured it out. I left a 1 at the end of /dev/sdc1
[00:20] <KaiDOg> I left out the 1
[00:20] <sudokill> ah
[00:20] <sudokill> glad u solved it
[00:20] <KaiDOg> so all my data is okay! hora!
[00:20] <KaiDOg> lol me too
[00:20] <KaiDOg> so much shit I hadn't backed up yet.
[00:20] <sudokill> scary when filesystem stuff hepsn
[00:20] <sudokill> happens*
[00:20] <KaiDOg> yes, I will need to educate myself on this more
[00:20] <sudokill> im lucky ive never had any probs with hard drives /ssd
[00:21] <KaiDOg> me neither
[00:21] <sudokill> to me theyre most reliable part lol
[00:21] <ugarit> so I just updated from 10.10 to 11.04 and the user interface is very different.  How do I restore the 10.10 interface?
[00:21] <Vonhinten> astley, were you supposed to run 'make config' first, and did you?
[00:21] <sudokill> ubuntu classic
[00:21] <TrevInc> ssd wear out very quickly though :/
[00:21] <sudokill> ugarit, at the login screen choose classic
[00:21] <sudokill> nah they dont
[00:21] <TrevInc> ugarit: when you login at the bottom there is a bar that says Ubuntu
[00:22] <sudokill> only old ones do
[00:22] <TrevInc> select Ubuntu Classic from that box
[00:22] <Vonhinten> I've been using an SSD for my system partition for over a year
[00:22] <ugarit> sudokill TrevInc thank you
[00:22] <TrevInc> no problem ugarit, that was the first thing I wanted to do to :)
[00:22] <sudokill> the old ssd wear out fast is old
[00:22] <sudokill> new ones last as long if not longer than hdd apparently
[00:22] <sudokill> with trim and newer tech
[00:23] <TrevInc> I will keep that in mind when I build my fishtank computer
[00:23] <Vonhinten> and the real benefit, when they fail, you just can't write to them anymore, unless spinning drives, where you likely lose your data
[00:23] <astley> Vonhinten: this is the tutorial i'm doing i'm at the eigth instruction, not quite sure what i means http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/
[00:23] <sudokill> with baby oil? lol
[00:23] <astley> it\
[00:24] <sudokill> TrevInc, r u gona use mineral oil?
[00:24] <Usuario> please help with ICEauthoritation http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10874214#post10874214
[00:24] <TrevInc> sudokill, yes, for the internal box
[00:24] <sudokill> i saw those on overclock.net ages ago, didnt find out if they run cool or not
[00:25] <sudokill> they look very strange lol
[00:25] <TrevInc> it will be a mineral oil tank with artificial fish inside of a saltwater tank with anemones
[00:25] <TrevInc> and lights
[00:25] <sudokill> lol
[00:25] <sudokill> madness
[00:25] <KaiDOg> this is sparta!
[00:25] <TrevInc> the mineral oil is heavier than water so it's actually great protection from the water
[00:25] <KaiDOg> I haven't seen the movie yet
[00:25] <sudokill> its a gd film
[00:26] <coz_> ??
[00:26] <KaiDOg> i'll check it out on netflix
[00:26] <sudokill> is that what they call piratebay these days?
[00:26] <sudokill> lol
[00:27] <Vonhinten> there's no reason to dunk a PC in stuff these days, the latest intel chips can be OC'd to crazy GHz just on stock air cooling
[00:27] <coz_> !offtopic
[00:27] <sudokill> its a hobby i guess
[00:27] <sudokill> just something different
[00:27] <astley> Vonhinten: this is the tutorial i'm doing i'm at the eigth instruction, not quite sure what i means http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/
[00:27] <sudokill> artificial fish is a nice touch
[00:27] <ugarit> how do I make Ubuntu Classic the default for 11.04 ?
[00:27] <cba123> I have a mdadm raid5 on a 10.10 standard install that I'm using as a simple fileserver.  It had a hard freeze, now when I try to assemble my raid using "sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde /dev/sdf1" it says /dev/md0 assembled from 2 drives - not enough to start the array.  Gparted sees the drives, but idk where to go from here.  Any ideas?
[00:27] <sudokill> login screen
[00:27] <Vonhinten> astley, well, keep going then, see if it works
[00:27] <coz_> ugarit,  simply log off  and then log onto classic
[00:28] <astley> Vonhinten: not sure what it means there..
[00:28] <vinic> i just installed 11.04 fresh, the default resolution seems to be way too high, i can only see about two pixels at the top of the screen. is there a way i can drop the resolution via hotkey?
[00:28] <coz_> ugarit,  although,, I dont think classic is going to be available in the next release
[00:28] <astley> Vonhinten: do i copy files?
[00:28] <sudokill> vinic not by hotkey
[00:28] <Vonhinten> astley, it's saying make install does
[00:28] <coz_> vinic,  I would go into system/preferences/monitors and see if you can do it there
[00:29] <vinic> i can't see anything coz
[00:29] <sudokill> vinic have u tried rebooting
[00:29] <vinic> yes
[00:29] <sudokill> ur pretty buggered then tbh
[00:29] <vinic> tried connecting a monitor to the hdmi, same result
[00:29] <sudokill> maybe some setting from a livecd
[00:29] <astley> how do i edit etc/modules?
[00:30] <astley> Vonhinten: that was to you sorry
[00:31] <Vonhinten> sudo gedit /etc/modules
[00:31] <sudokill> gksudo for gd practice
[00:32] <peto_> buenas noches
[00:32] <luite> I have a process that runs as a normal user (might be started as root), it forks off a child, and the user id of the child should be changed into a less privileged user, and filesystem access restricted to some directory. is this possible somehow?
[00:33] <ActionParsnip> Vonhinten: gksudo for gedit, not sudo
[00:33] <Vonhinten> or, gksudo is more correct, but is sudo incorrect?
[00:33] <Vonhinten> or=ok
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> !gksudo
[00:34] <sudokill> sudo prob kok but gk uses roots configs for root apps
[00:34] <sudokill> use gk for all gui apps
[00:34] <astley> Vonhinten: it says ad a line to /etc/modules from the end of a file in instruction 10 of this tutorial, http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/ what do they mean?
[00:35] <sudokill> it means add the line
[00:35] <astley> which line?
[00:35] <astley> from where
[00:35] <sudokill> the wifi name
[00:35] <sudokill> it tells u
[00:35] <astley> in which directory?
[00:35] <sudokill> modules
[00:35] <astley> where is that, in my home folder?
[00:35] <Vonhinten> heh
[00:35] <sudokill> etc
[00:35] <astley> where?
[00:36] <sudokill> "<astley> Vonhinten: it says ad a line to /etc/modules"
[00:36] <Vonhinten> astley, /etc/modules is a file ;)
[00:36] <sudokill> gksudo gedit /etc/modules
[00:36] <astley> ok, how do i locate that file and what line do i add from where?
[00:37] <astley> Vonhinten: i have the file, now what line?
[00:37] <astley> do i add
[00:37] <Vonhinten> astley, the instructions are quite clear
[00:37] <sudokill> just add it to the botom of the file
[00:38] <sudokill> anywhere
[00:38] <astley> he says add the line at the end of this file, but he doesn't say what line
[00:38] <sudokill> the end
[00:38] <sudokill> inb4 rickrolled
[00:38] <Vonhinten> it does say what line
[00:38] <astley> i'm trying to be careful and concise
[00:38] <astley> no my last name is astley
[00:38] <sudokill> its fine
[00:38] <Vonhinten> notice the:  rt5390sta
[00:38] <sudokill> just go to the end of the file and add it
[00:38] <astley> ok
[00:38] <Vonhinten> right after it tells you to add the line
[00:39] <astley> thatnks, that wan't proper grammer the way he said it
[00:40] <sudokill> astley looks like ur almost there
[00:41] <the-gibson> quick question, is there a way of killing a program based on memory utilization?
[00:41] <the-gibson> when streaming my VLC randomly explodes and starts eating up all my memory
[00:41] <Vonhinten> That's interesting that sudo causes problems.
[00:42] <sudokill> i dont know the answer, but do u mean if it reaches a certain amount of ram, kill it?
[00:42] <rationalOgre> the-gibson: Like if it starts using using X amount of memory, kill it?
[00:42] <the-gibson> rational0gre: yes
[00:42] <sudokill> the-gibson, how much ram od u have?
[00:42] <Vonhinten> This article doesn't explain WHY sudo would result in an application using user configuration files instead of root configuration files though...
[00:42] <the-gibson> 4 gb
[00:42] <sudokill> vlc should eat hardly any
[00:43] <astley> ok, i'm going to reboot now
[00:43] <sudokill> id look into that rather than workarounds
[00:43] <the-gibson> its an issue with VLC
[00:43] <the-gibson> it happens on 2 of my ubuntu systems
[00:43] <rationalOgre> the-gibson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1417134
[00:43] <the-gibson> it will eat all ram and then start eating swap until everything is frozen solid
[00:43] <sudokill> dno if the vlc update fixed that, couple oin last 2 days
[00:44] <the-gibson> hmm hyea i saw some bug reports
[00:44] <the-gibson> thanks rationalOgre
[00:44]  * rationalOgre 's google-fu is strong. :D
[00:44] <the-gibson> haha yes mine failed me
[00:44] <sudokill> the-gibson, make sure its up to date first if u havent already
[00:45] <rationalOgre> the-gibson: First hit on "ubuntu kill process based on memory utiliztion"
[00:45] <mugimugicat> hi!
[00:45] <the-gibson> i ran update this morning and it just hit me again
[00:45] <the-gibson> ill double check
[00:45] <sudokill> ah idk try that script ogre linked to
[00:45] <rationalOgre> Woops, sorry, kill program not process
[00:45] <the-gibson> yea i am hehe
[00:45] <mugimugicat> i'am looking for ubuntu 10.4 netbook edition
[00:45] <sudokill> 11.04?
[00:45] <the-gibson> yea buts an easy edit
[00:46] <sudokill> if u mean that its gone
[00:46] <the-gibson> yes and on a 10.10 system
[00:46] <the-gibson> though the 10.10 system hasnt been updated in a few days
[00:46] <mugimugicat> nobosy?
[00:46] <astley> i still dont see ra0 interface, maybe i did something wrong
[00:46] <mugimugicat> nobody?
[00:46] <sudokill> mugimugicat, do u mean 11.04
[00:46] <rationalOgre> mugimugicat: 1http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download
[00:46] <rationalOgre> woops http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download
[00:47] <rationalOgre> look for 10.04 -netbook-i386.iso.torrent on there
[00:47] <sudokill> afaik they got rid of netbook edition and made it a single version
[00:47] <sudokill> ah sorry
[00:47] <mugimugicat> thank you rational0gre
[00:48] <rationalOgre> sudokill: They rolled it into 11.04 essentially.
[00:48] <sudokill> yea
[00:48] <mugimugicat> sorry for my bad english i'm french .. i'm goign to try this i(ll be back
[00:48] <rationalOgre> mugimugicat: NP.
[00:48] <sudokill> soz was my eyes
[00:48] <mugimugicat> it mean No Probelm? lol
[00:48] <rationalOgre> mugimugicat: Yes it does.
[00:48] <rationalOgre> :)
[00:48] <astley> Network manager still doesn't recognize my wireless card after i did the procedure in this tutorial http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/
[00:49] <nixjr> how do i run somehting in the terminal but not have to close when i close the terminal window?
[00:49] <sudokill> astley it says u might have to restart network to get it to rcognise it
[00:49] <satonio> hi. im getting OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer after upgrading to 11.04, what should i do? my card is a radeon x1950gt
[00:50] <astley> sudokill: http://pastebin.com/Kz4qCmas thats the output i get when i try
[00:50] <hiexpo> nixjr, what you tring to run
[00:50] <mugimugicat> hi, i'am back, have you a link for this version? no torrent.
[00:50] <mugimugicat> direct link
[00:51] <nixjr> hiexpo, something crashed and my bored decorations are gone, im running "metacity --replace" to get them back, but i dont want the terminal window
[00:51] <sudokill> restart network-manager
[00:51] <nixjr> border*
[00:51] <sudokill> mugimugicat, http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04-netbook-i386.iso
[00:52] <Technicality> does anybody know what the program and service called "http" do?
[00:52] <mugimugicat> Thank You ! you're awesome
[00:52] <astley> sudokill: http://pastebin.com/QqZeJKzm now i got that, any clue? thank you by the way
[00:53] <itaylor57> nixjr, nohup <file> > nohup.out 2>1&
[00:53] <mrpatg> I have a question about the tray/system notifications in ubuntu 11 (gnome desktop)
[00:53] <sudokill> astley sudo restart network-manager
[00:53] <Vonhinten> astley, just reboot
[00:53] <mugimugicat> Good night every body , you come in paris when you want ,!! you're welcom
[00:53] <nixjr> itaylor57, im sorry you lost me there
[00:54] <sudokill> mugimugicat, thanks
[00:54] <sudokill> lol
[00:54] <mrpatg> Whenever i mouseover them, they disappear and reappear when i move my mouse away. Is that supposed to happen, or am i supposed to be able to click and make them disappear?
[00:54] <sudokill> mrpatg, sounds like graphic problem
[00:54] <itaylor57> nixjr, ising nohup willkeep the program running even  if you close the termanal try man nohu[
[00:54] <itaylor57> nixjr, ising nohup willkeep the program running even  if you close the termanal try man nohup
[00:54] <mrpatg> everything else works fine. Is there any way to manage how the notifications behave, or some other kind of notification manager?
[00:55] <sudokill> mrpatg, maybe its supposed to do that idk
[00:56] <nixjr> itaylor57, im not using a file so would i just do:  nohup metacity --replace > nohup.out 2>1&
[00:56] <rationalOgre> mrpatg: Are you talking about the boxes that appear in the upper right corner of the screen from time to time?
[00:56] <ZykoticK9> mrpatg, what you are describing is "working as designed"
[00:56] <rationalOgre> mrpatg: Like the ones that say "network "something" connected" or what not?
[00:56] <mrpatg> rationalOgre: yes
[00:56] <mrpatg> yep
[00:57] <rationalOgre> mrpatg: Oh, then that is how they are supposed to work.
[00:57] <rationalOgre> When you mouseover them they fade out
[00:57] <beyond_> how do you change ip address?
[00:57] <rationalOgre> They are there for informational purposes only
[00:57] <rationalOgre> You don't really interact with them.
[00:57] <itaylor57> nixjr, I missunderstoodyour question, running that command should return to to the prompt, it shouldn't hang
[00:57] <rationalOgre> beyond_: set a static IP address?
[00:57] <mrpatg> Its kind of annoying, not being able to control them, and have them 'cowardly' disappear when i try to, lol
[00:58] <sudokill> lol
[00:58] <beyond_> i don't really know too much
[00:58] <beyond_> about it
[00:58] <rationalOgre> beyond_: or set your router to recognize your mac address and give you a specific IP address.
[00:58] <astlet> i still dont get ra0 interface when i do ifconfig after this tutorial http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/
[00:58] <beyond_> woah baby steps
[00:58] <rationalOgre> If you are asking for a new WAN ip address, you'll probably have to speak with your ISP and/or reboot your modem.
[00:58] <beyond_> no basically my ip on my laptop
[00:58] <sudokill> beyond, have u got internet connection now?
[00:58] <beyond_> yes
[00:59] <sudokill> u just want to have a set ip?
[00:59] <rationalOgre> beyond_: So your local network IP address.
[00:59] <beyond_> yes
[00:59] <nixjr> itaylor57, when i close the terminal window, it ends "metacity --replace", i just want to be able to run that command and close the terminal window with metacity --replace still running in the background
[00:59] <beyond_> i think i have an ip address
[00:59] <rationalOgre> beyond_: Wifi or Wired?
[00:59] <beyond_> how do i change it
[00:59] <beyond_> wifi
[00:59] <sudokill> beyond im not sure where it is it changes all the time but in the system settings there sohuld be a network manager somewhere
[00:59] <beyond_> or is it something set in stone (etched on silicone]
[01:00] <rationalOgre> beyond_: No, it's being set via DHCP most likely right now
[01:00] <astlet> i'll wait a few minutes then i'll ask again
[01:00] <sudokill> beyond, if u find the network manager, ull see ip settings
[01:00] <sudokill> if u get that far let me know
[01:00] <beyond_> network tools?
[01:00] <sudokill> yes
[01:00] <sudokill> no
[01:00] <rationalOgre> beyond_: Look in the upper righthand corner of your screen, see the thing that represents your wireless connection?
[01:00] <beyond_> ok
[01:00] <beyond_> yes
[01:00] <rationalOgre> Right click it
[01:00] <rationalOgre> You should get a list
[01:01] <rationalOgre> One of the options will be Edit Connections
[01:01] <beyond_> ok
[01:01] <rationalOgre> Should pop up a screen that says "Network Connections" at the top
[01:01] <rationalOgre> Click on the tab that says Wireless
[01:01] <beyond_> whats a vpn
[01:01] <beyond_> ok
[01:01] <rationalOgre> Virtual Private Network, don't worry about that now.
[01:02] <beyond_> alrighty
[01:02] <rationalOgre> Ok, select the one that says Auto <yournetworkname>
[01:02] <rationalOgre> Like Auto myhomenetwork
[01:02] <rationalOgre> Just by left clicking on it.
[01:02] <beyond_> ok
[01:02] <beyond_> MTU: automatic
[01:02] <beyond_> ?
[01:02] <rationalOgre> The greyed out "edit" button to the right should become automatic
[01:03] <rationalOgre> Sorry, clickable, not automatic
[01:03] <astlet> i still dont get ra0 interface when i do ifconfig after this tutorial http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/
[01:03] <rationalOgre> Click on the tab that says IPv4 Configuration
[01:03] <rationalOgre> or IPv4 Settings
[01:03] <sudokill> astlet, did u blacklist anything?
[01:03] <beyond_> okay automatic dchp
[01:03] <rationalOgre> Method probably says Automatic (dhcp)
[01:04] <rationalOgre> beyond_: Curious, why do you need a static IP?
[01:04] <rationalOgre> before we go further
[01:04] <astlet> sudokill: maybe not, i'll check, thanks
[01:04] <sudokill> maybe fror opening ports
[01:04] <beyond_> good question
[01:04] <rationalOgre> sudokill: Possibly
[01:04] <sudokill> lol
[01:04] <sudokill> beyond dont even know
[01:04] <beyond_> well lets just say i'm very new to irc
[01:04] <sudokill> use dhcp if not sure that way easier
[01:04] <beyond_> started yesterday
[01:04] <rationalOgre> beyond_: Ok.
[01:04] <sWaT_hUm4N> ubuntu cant write an iso to my dvd-r
[01:05] <rationalOgre> So what gave you the idea that you needed a static IP?
[01:05] <beyond_> i don't know
[01:05] <beyond_> just checking it out i suppose
[01:05] <sudokill> beyond, ststic ip is good fomr home network but i guess dhcp may be better if ur using public wifi
[01:05] <beyond_> whats the difference
[01:05] <rationalOgre> Ah, well, this is where you would do it then, though I would not suggest it unless you know what you are doing
[01:05] <sudokill> dhcp gives u random ip static is always same
[01:05] <astlet> sudokill: this is my blacklist http://pastebin.com/5CC8qtV8
[01:05] <beyond_> i see i see
[01:06] <rationalOgre> If you want to play with it I can walk you through it.
[01:06] <sudokill> beyond, dhcp just hands out ips to people so they dont have to set up their own
[01:06] <rationalOgre> sudokill: It also does things like setting the gateway and dns stuff.
[01:06] <beyond_> huh
[01:06] <sudokill> yea
[01:06] <sudokill> beyond, it just sets up your ip settings for u
[01:07] <beyond_> okay i guess i got some reading to do first
[01:07] <rationalOgre> DHCP does that is
[01:07] <beyond_> thanks all
[01:07] <sudokill> if u choose static ull have to enter ur ip, router ip, subnet dns etc
[01:07] <farmer_> Hi, I've just installed GNOME 3 on an EEE PC, removing unity. When I try to log in to GNOME 3, I get a problem error with no description and a log out button. Is this a known problem?
[01:07] <rationalOgre> beyond_: NP, googling for "home network static vs dynamic ip" might be useful.
[01:07] <beyond_> ok thanks again
[01:07] <sudokill> farmer, what error?
[01:07] <sudokill> what happens at log in screen
[01:08] <rationalOgre> farmer_: Does it give an error code or anything?
[01:08] <astlet> sudokill: anything?
[01:08] <cba123> I have a mdadm raid5 on a 10.10 standard install that I'm using as a simple fileserver.  I'm trying to assemble it after rebooting, and all I get is either "2 devices are not enough to start the drive" or "cannot open /dev/foo1: Device or resource busy"
[01:08] <farmer_> sudokill, rationalOgre, no, it's simply a generic "A problem has occured" GNOME 3 error with a button to log out. No other information.
[01:08] <sudokill> uh idk sorry
[01:09] <sudokill> prob some settings messed when u switched
[01:09] <rationalOgre> farmer_: Drop to a terminal and open up /etc/log and poke around
[01:09] <astlet> sudokill: me?
[01:09] <sudokill> im useless i know
[01:09] <farmer_> rationalOgre, will do
[01:09] <sudokill> astlet brb
[01:09] <wurmt0ngue> can someone help me out, my battery meter doesnt show up in the ui on a fresh ubuntu install, its also not an option to add as an applet
[01:09] <rationalOgre> astlet: what's the output of ifconfig? (paste it somewheres)
[01:10] <farmer_> rationalOgre, /etc/log doesn't exist
[01:10] <sudokill> astlet, did u even use rt2800 thing before? if so u dont need it in blacklist but it wont hurt
[01:10] <sudokill> var/log
[01:10] <rationalOgre> wurmt0ngue: System>preferences>power management> general tab
[01:10] <sudokill> farmer, try cat /var/log/messages
[01:10] <rationalOgre> farmer_: Woops, sorry /var/log
[01:11] <rationalOgre> my bad. Was thinking of two things at once.
[01:11] <astlet> sudokill: http://pastebin.com/7J2CqTUZ
[01:11] <astlet> sudokill: never used it before nope
[01:11] <rationalOgre> sudokill: better 'less /var/log/messages'
[01:11] <sudokill> astlet, so it's working now?
[01:11] <sudokill> rationalOgre, yea i suppose i just agve a random one llo
[01:11] <astlet> sudokill: no
[01:12] <sudokill> i normally use tail
[01:12] <sudokill> astlet hang on ill look
[01:12] <farmer_> rationalOgre, thanks anyway, will remove gnome and reinstall unity
[01:12] <rationalOgre> farmer_: no worries.
[01:12] <Jygga> what could be the reason for cron not checking /etc/cron.d/somefile ? im on 10.4 server
[01:14] <rationalOgre> astlet: 'lshw | grep -i wireless' output?
[01:14] <rationalOgre> Jygga: Did you update your cronttab?
[01:15] <rationalOgre> *crontab
[01:15] <sudokill> astlet do dmesg | grep eth0
[01:15] <sin_tax> Anyone care to help me with a (hopefully) quick Unity issue?  I've got 2 icons for Minecraft in my 'installed programs' area but I've only put one entry into my /usr/share/applications
[01:16] <rationalOgre> Jygga: Under cron.d are subdirectories, you put the scripts in there.
[01:16] <rationalOgre> like cron.hourly
[01:16] <sin_tax> I did use an installer which may have placed a .desktop file elsewhere but I can't find it... Any way to get details of an icon that is in Unity? Seems like I should be able to right click for details but I can't
[01:16] <astlet> rationalOgre: http://pastebin.com/U7JmWgpS
[01:17] <rationalOgre> Jygga: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[01:17] <mrpatg> Ubuntu 11.04 is giving me weird microphone lag. Slow pickup, and cutting off before im finished talking (in sound recorder)
[01:17] <rationalOgre> astlet: So it's not seeing it on your system at all
[01:17] <astlet> sudokill: http://pastebin.com/i7c9gE4s
[01:17] <luite> is it possible for a process (running as user/group nobody) to do something in order to prevent it and its children from running any setuid files (either through restricting filesystem access, or some flag that just prevents this directly)
[01:18] <astlet> rationalOgre: what are the implications, can i do a troubleshoot?
[01:18] <TrevInc> Irony is the fact that I usually join this channel from a Win7 x64 box
[01:18] <sudokill> :)
[01:18] <eb3ha4el> TrevInc: what is x64 Box?
[01:18] <rationalOgre> astlet: Pondering, I'm not the best at this stuff.
[01:18] <eb3ha4el> TrevInc: X Box? Game console?
[01:18] <sudokill> 64 bit leetness
[01:18] <Jygga> ye thanks for trying rationalOgre
[01:19] <rationalOgre> luite: beyond my ken, sir. Sorry.
[01:20] <rationalOgre> Jygga: Read that link I gave, it gives a pretty in-depth explanation of using Cron
[01:20] <Jygga> i did, several times
[01:20] <eb3ha4el> sudokill: were you saying that to me? what is leetness btw?
[01:20] <luite> rationalOgre: no prob :) I already found the answer to the first part of my first question by the way (a combination of setuid+setgid bits on the executable where the owner is the more privileged user, and starting the program as the less priviledged one)
[01:20] <sudokill> astlet, try blacklisting the RTL8102e
[01:20] <sudokill> and restart
[01:21] <sudokill> replace it with the useless blacklist u added earlier
[01:21] <sudokill> replace the one u aded earlier rather
[01:22] <Jygga> doesnt explain why cron doesnt pick up the file, im setting up rsnapshot and aptitude actually created /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot during installation
[01:22] <Jygga> but its not touched
[01:22] <astlet> sudokill: with caps locks on "rt"?
[01:22] <sudokill> just paste the one
[01:22] <mrpatg> Ubuntu 11.04 is giving me weird microphone lag. Slow pickup, and cutting off before im finished talking (in sound recorder)
[01:22] <rkvirani> sudokill: I think I will install windows just so I can get itunes back
[01:22] <rationalOgre> astlet: is it a USB wireless adapter or PCI?
[01:22] <rkvirani> this really isnt working...
[01:23] <sudokill> rkvirani, didnt audex work?
[01:23] <Jygga> actually there are other files in there that are touched every minute ...
[01:23] <rkvirani> audex runs into problems in 1/5 CDs I give it
[01:23] <sudokill> problems how?
[01:23] <sudokill> read problems?
[01:23] <rkvirani> it says that it cant encode and that I should wait....
[01:23] <astlet> rkvirani: it's a part of my system intrisically, no usb
[01:24] <sudokill> rkvirani, whats the error
[01:24] <sudokill> is that all it says?
[01:24] <sudokill> cant encode?
[01:24] <rkvirani> I dont care, I just want it to work
[01:24] <sin_tax> Is there an easy way to find the 'details' or 'source' of an icon in the Unity programs menu? 11.04 if it makes a difference
[01:24] <sudokill> did u choose what to encode to? mp3, flac etc?
[01:25] <mrpatg> just in playback
[01:25] <mrpatg> and ive tried different encodings
[01:25] <rkvirani> sudokill: yeah
[01:25] <rkvirani> mp3
[01:25] <rkvirani> normal quality
[01:25] <sudokill> ok
[01:25] <sudokill> try 1 more and tell me the error pls
[01:25] <rkvirani> there are so many solutiosn for this with linux and they all are broken some how
[01:26] <rkvirani> so fragmented
[01:26] <sudokill> rkvirani, its only because ur new
[01:26] <sudokill> its not full of problems and fixes
[01:26] <sudokill> i never had a single problem with audex
[01:26] <rationalOgre> astlet: then 'lspci | grep -i wireless" and see if anything pops up.
[01:26] <sudokill> its probably something silly
[01:27] <astley> sudokill: still no luck, i wonder if i did make or make install wrong?
[01:27] <rkvirani> yeah.. I though this stuff was to the point where it just worked...
[01:27] <rkvirani> sudokill: I have an LPIC-2
[01:27] <rkvirani> thank you.
[01:28] <ChronicSyncope> how do you backspace in vi?
[01:28] <rationalOgre> Jygga: I don't know I'm afraid. Perhaps moving it or symlinking it into /etc/cron.daily (weekly/hourly/whatever)
[01:28] <rkvirani> I've just never done multimedia stuff with linux
[01:28] <rationalOgre> ChronicSyncope: In insert mode? hit backspace
[01:28] <sudokill> astley it looked ok to me didnt error
[01:28] <sudokill> rkvirani dont be put off
[01:28] <rkvirani> sudokill: perhaps to the whole ipod thing I guess I am new.
[01:28] <sudokill> ahh maybe u need restricted extras
[01:28] <rationalOgre> ChronicSyncope: If you are not in insert mode then h should move your cursor backwards.
[01:29] <sudokill> sudo apt-get install restricted-extras
[01:29] <sudokill> or ubuntu-restrcied-ectras cant remember
[01:29] <ChronicSyncope> rationalOgre, I pressed insert on my keyboard a few times, it didn't seem to fix the problem
[01:29] <astley> sudokill: what do you mean?
[01:29] <sudokill> rkvirani,
[01:29] <rationalOgre> Hit the letter I on your keyboard to go to insert mode in VI
[01:29] <MGMT> Terminator is acting weird in the unity dock
[01:29] <sudokill> sorry astley i meant someone else
[01:30] <ChronicSyncope> rationalOgre, oh, well i was already in insert mode, or so i thought. I pressed i until it let me type.
[01:30] <rkvirani> sudokill: how would the extras repo fix this?
[01:30] <sudokill> it instaklls mp3 stuff
[01:30] <MGMT> it keeps opening new instances instead of showing my current open instance
[01:30] <rationalOgre> ChronicSyncope: you might do better to use Nano unless you actually wish to learn vi
[01:30] <sudokill> that might be why ur having encode probs idk
[01:30] <ChronicSyncope> rationalOgre, after i installed vim from repos it started behaving like i expected, but vi was just acting really strange.
[01:30] <zvacet> rkvirani: in ubuntu software center fins ubuntu restricted extras and install it
[01:30] <ChronicSyncope> rationalOgre, i've been using vi for a while, i don't think it was working correctly.
[01:30] <ChronicSyncope> i was just wondering if i got some setting stuck on that i'd never used before.
[01:31] <sudokill> rkvirani, try installing that then see if it works
[01:31] <rkvirani> Ill commen tit out of my apt-sources.list and run apt-get upgrade
[01:31] <rationalOgre> ChronicSyncope: It's possible. Sometimes they compile it with wierd options for when you run it as vi instead of vim
[01:31] <astley> 5 hours later
[01:31] <rkvirani> I dont think thats the problem though
[01:31] <rkvirani> sudokill: its already enabled
[01:31] <n4cht> does anyone know how to move the dock provided by gnome-shell-extension-dock to the left, or the bottom?
[01:32] <zvacet> rkvirani: leave source list just install that package
[01:32] <sudokill> rkvirani, ok, try ripping to a different format like flac see if it works
[01:32] <astley> after following this tutorial i still dont get a ra0 interface http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/wifi-card-ralink-5390-configuration-in-ubuntu-10-10-64-bit/
[01:32] <n4cht> astley: i can help you with that.
[01:32] <n4cht> it's not going to be ra0
[01:32] <n4cht> try eth0 or eth1
[01:32] <astley> n4cht: thank you :)
[01:33] <quem> hm, does anyone know if having more than one backup location might become a feature of deja-dup in the near future? :)
[01:33] <sudokill> astley, did u try blacklist the driver like i said?
[01:33]  * n4cht has a compaq presario CQ56-219WM with the Ralink 5390
[01:33] <zvacet> rkvirani: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[01:33] <astley> n4cht: try? how do you try it?
[01:33] <astley> sudokill: yes
[01:34] <sudokill> astley, maybe n4acht can help not sure what else to say
[01:34] <astley> n4cht: http://pastebin.com/yE8yD36M thats my output from ifconfig
[01:35] <n4cht> astley: 1) add the old driver to blacklist, 2) modprobe rt5390sta (assuming you compiled and installed the module), 3) press fn+wifi button to make sure it's on. (should turn white instead of orange)
[01:35] <rationalOgre> astley: Did you run lspci | grep -i wireless?
[01:35] <astley> yes, i gave that to you rationalOgre
[01:35] <rationalOgre> you did lshw
[01:36] <rationalOgre> I may have missed the lspci response one
[01:36] <astley> n4cht: http://pastebin.com/GDtPfhQb
[01:36] <astley> n4cht:
[01:37] <astley> n4cht: maybe i didn't compile correctly
[01:37] <delinquentme_> SHA1's can be used to check the quality of a dataset post transfer right?
[01:37] <n4cht> astley: hang on a sec... i'm going to pop a copy of it already compiled onto my webserver for you, with a simple install script.
[01:37] <rationalOgre> astley: dmesg | grep rt5390
[01:39] <astley> rationalOgre: http://pastebin.com/kEhQimU5
[01:40] <n4cht> astley: http://wretched.ws/natty/wireless.tar.gz    grab that, open terminal, 'tar xf wireless.tar.gz', 'cd wireless' then 'sudo ./install'
[01:40] <n4cht> i wouldn't normally reccommend this method, but since i have the same laptop and have tested this method, i know it works.
[01:41] <n4cht> i'm actually working on a .deb package for tha Ralink rt5390sta module right now, but i've never made .deb packages before so it's slow-going.
[01:42] <lolmatic> hi, im running apache2 on ubuntu desktop for development and i want to edit files from within an editor and i don't want to use some kind of ftp server. how can i transfer the www folder to the users home?
[01:42] <rationalOgre> n4cht: Nice little script
[01:42] <n4cht> rationalOgre: way sloppy, but for this *exact* model, it gets the job done.  lol.
[01:43] <rationalOgre> n4cht: meh, as long as it works.
[01:43] <MrCartel> Anyone know why --scale does not work on xrandr
[01:43] <astley> n4cht: it says installation complete when i type modprobe i get this http://pastebin.com/NuegLB06
[01:44] <sudokill> astley make sure ur in right dir when u untar
[01:44] <sudokill> it didnt do it
[01:45] <rationalOgre> lolmatic: cp -r /some/www/directory /home/whomever/directory/you/want/to/copy/to
[01:45] <sudokill> my bad
[01:45] <sudokill> lol
[01:45] <n4cht> huh.  weird.  i've tested it on two different CQ56's, and 4 different natty installs.
[01:45] <rkvirani> sudokill: set the setting to never skip over an error. I wanted error correction, does this do that?
[01:46] <sudokill> rkvirani, yes check the "enable cdparanoia" checkbox
[01:46] <astley> sudokill: then why is there an unzipped folder wireless in my downloads?
[01:46] <n4cht> astley: i'm going to modify the config.mk file for the module source, and upload that to wretched.ws
[01:46] <sudokill> astley dw
[01:46] <n4cht> and then you can try make && make install, and it should work.
[01:46] <astley> sudokill: dw?
[01:46] <rationalOgre> n4cht: He's doing 10.10, not 11.04 if memory serves.
[01:46] <lolmatic> rationalOgre: i know how to copy files. the point is that i want the apache to serve the files from within the home folder
[01:46] <HelloWorld321> Couple questions about the new Unity desktop ... in "Recent Documents" can you do anything with the documents besides open them with the default application?  View their properties or open them with an alternate application?
[01:46] <sudokill> dnt worry
[01:47] <lolmatic> should i just do a symlink to the home folder?
[01:47] <astley> 11.04
[01:47] <astley> n4cht: pm?
[01:47] <rationalOgre> lolmatic: then edit your apache2.conf and point it at the folder you want to use
[01:48] <HelloWorld321> in "Recent Documents" can you do anything with the documents besides open them with the default application?  View their properties or open them with an alternate application?
[01:50] <n4cht> astley:  http://wretched.ws/natty/2010_1216_RT5390_LinuxSTA_V2.4.0.4_WiFiBTCombo_DPO.tar.gz       ... all you gotta do is extract that, 'cd 2010*'  and type 'make && make install'
[01:50] <rationalOgre> lolmatic: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[01:50] <n4cht> that should do it.
[01:50] <n4cht> and yes, astley you can pm me.  :)
[01:50]  * n4cht already modified the config.mk for the correct settings, etc.
[01:51] <Flannel> lolmatic: ~/public_html/* becomes http://server/~yourusername/* with userdir module enabled
[01:51] <astley> actually i'm not quite sure how to pm lol
[01:51] <king313> asteig, /query n4cht
[01:52] <blbrown_win3> I am configuring grub2.  Grub can't find the partition I installed my OS to.  How do I find the id?
[01:52] <n4cht> lol.. sorry astley   i'll make it easy for you..
[01:52] <fez> dyar
[01:53] <Jygga> this is killing me
[01:53] <cba123> I have a mdadm raid5 on a 10.10 standard install.  I'm trying to assemble it after rebooting, and all I get is either "2 devices are not enough to start the drive" or "cannot open /dev/foo1: Device or resource busy" anyone familiar with mdadm?
[01:54] <lolcat> cba123:  us mdadm
[01:54] <mrpatg> anyone help me with a pulse audio problem in 11.04?
[01:54] <SpaceBass> cba123, whats mdadm -D say?
[01:55] <caesium_> disconnect
[01:55] <cba123> SpaceBass, "sudo mdadm -d /dev/sdb1" says that sdb1 doesn't appear to be an md device, and when I do /dev/md0 it doesn't appear to be active
[01:57] <thomi> Is there an IRC channel for problems related to creating debian packages? Ii can't seem to find one.
[01:57] <Flannel> thomi: #ubuntu-packaging
[01:57] <SpaceBass> cba123, cat /proc/mdstat
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> thomi: look into checkinstall
[01:58] <hoss> Anyone know why I am getting the following update errors: "Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-stable/google-chrome-stable_11.0.696.68-r84545_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 74.125.224.201 80]
[01:58] <hoss> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/im-switch/im-switch_1.20ubuntu3.1_all.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.140 80]"
[01:58] <thomi> Flannel: Cheers
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> mrpatg: wassup? Just ask the channel, if anoyone knows they will reply
[01:58] <lolmatic> Flannel: how do i enable the userdir module?
[01:58] <Flannel> lolmatic: It may already be enabled, but "sudo a2enmod userdir" and then restart apache
[01:59] <ActionParsnip> hoss: maybe they are updating the files
[01:59] <cba123> SpaceBass, http://pastebin.com/Uyrc1hFp but my raid is always on /dev/md0
[01:59] <hoss> ActionParsnip, ahh, that makes sence.
[02:00] <SpaceBass> cba123, we need to determine which drives are present and which are missing then, assuming the discs are still functioning properly and attached to the system, re-add them
[02:00] <multipass> does anyone use foobnix?
[02:00] <ActionParsnip> hoss: could try the daily ppa, it has nice alpha features ;)
[02:01] <webroasters> how do you deal with spaces in folder names while using the terminal. I want to cp a disc to a folder on my computer, but the disc has a space in it
[02:01] <cba123> SpaceBass, I would do that with "sudo mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde /dev/sdf1"?  Would my data still be intact?
[02:01] <ActionParsnip> multipass: looks good dude :0
[02:01] <SpaceBass> cba123, yes, if the discs are undamaged then your data will be fine
[02:02] <Flannel> webroasters: tab complete will automatically handle it, but you can either quote them, or escape them with a \ (Folder\ with\ spaces)
[02:02] <multipass> ActionParsnip: foobnix is really nice, but it keeps locking up/freezing on me during certain things-- wondering if anyone esle experiences it
[02:02] <SpaceBass> cba123, pastbin your /etc/madmin/conf
[02:02] <webroasters> ah ok thanks
[02:02] <ActionParsnip> multipass: do other players do the same?
[02:02] <Kevin`_> cba123: mdadm --add is for changing the array state by adding new devices, you don't want to do that
[02:03] <Kevin`_> cba123: btw, mdadm -E to look at a particular hard drive itself
[02:03] <multipass> ActionParsnip: well some do similar things, im wondering if im missing some kinda gtk dependencies.... not sure -- happens during internet related things mostly i think
[02:03] <SpaceBass> cba123, yeah good catch from Kevin`_ you want to assemble
[02:04] <hoss> ActionParsnip:  I dont think I am that brave or in need of an update that badly lol
[02:04] <cba123> SpaceBass, Kevin`_ http://pastebin.com/5gKNjkgB that's my mdadm.conf
[02:04] <SpaceBass> cba123, why does sde not have a partition?
[02:04] <Kevin`_> cba123: is that really supposed to be sde, not sde1?
[02:04] <sin_tax> All of a sudden my super/windows key does not allow shortcuts to the apps in the unity launcher that should be launched with the 1-0 keys... any ideas?
[02:05] <Kevin`_> cba123: btw, I would personally just have something like DEVICE /dev/sd?? \n ARRAY /dev/md0 UUID=whatever_it_is
[02:05] <ActionParsnip> hoss: fair play
[02:06] <ActionParsnip> sin_tax: if you ou hold it down a while, does it work?
[02:06] <cba123> Yeah, I messed up when adding, and that is how I always assembled it, with sde not sde1.  I thiink I found some of the issue though.  I did "mdadm -E" on each /dev/sd[bcdef], and b1 and c1 have 2 active, and the rest have them all
[02:06] <SpaceBass> cba123, yeah, using UUID will help ensure this doesnt happen often
[02:06] <Kevin`_> cba123: did you try to force assemble it without all the devices or something?
[02:08] <cba123> Kevin`_, I haven't tried a force assemble.  Didn't know I could http://pastebin.com/1S1ZF520 that's my mdadm -E /dev/sd[whichever]
[02:08] <hoss> ActionParsnip:  You were right, they were updating the file. Downloading the deb file atm and file size has changed.
[02:08] <Kevin`_> cba123: what happened here to cause the problem?
[02:09] <cba123> SpaceBass, I'll try that, I was of the if it ain't broke mentality, but I guess it was broke and I kept fixing it each boot.
[02:09] <cba123> Kevin`_, I don't know, I had to do a hard-reboot, since I couldn't ssh in, nor move the mouse.  Then this.
[02:09] <SpaceBass> cba123, I feel ya ? I'll often fix things on every boot because researching the actualy fix feels like rocking the boat
[02:09]  * n4cht did his good deed for the day.
[02:10] <Kevin`_> cba123: mdadm --stop /dev/md_d0
[02:10] <Kevin`_> cba123: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/(all of them)
[02:10] <cba123> Kevin`_, "error opening /dev/md_d0: no such file or directory"
[02:10] <Misterangry`> I'm running Natty on an IBM Thinkpad T42p and I want to enable the mouse keys above the trackpad, but I've been unable to find any guides on doing this.
[02:11] <Kevin`_> cba123: is that still in mdstat?
[02:11] <n4cht> now i just need to figure out if it's *all* systems with the ralink 5390 that have bluetooth enabled, or just *some* of them...  i keep seeing mention of it being a wifi/bluetooth combo card, but there's no mention of bluetooth in the product features for this laptop.
[02:11] <cba123> Kevin`_, I rebooted since then, and no, not in mdstat
[02:12] <Kevin`_> cba123: oh, ok then, second command
[02:12] <Misterangry`> anyone here with any suggestions?
[02:13] <cba123> Kevin`_, "mdadm: no RAID superblock on /dev/sde" and when I just try to assemble without /dev/sde, sdf says the same thing
[02:14] <Kevin`_> cba123: I didn't see you paste mdadm -E /dev/sde
[02:15] <Kevin`_> cba123: do remember that your devices may have been renamed since the last reboot
[02:15] <Kevin`_> aside from that, I thought it was sdf1?
[02:16] <sin_tax> ActionParsnip, no, it used to... Very odd behavior.  I get the 'helper' overlay on the task switcher and below (the ones bound to letters instead of numbers)... Aaaaand it's magically fixed somehow... Hrm.
[02:16] <cba123> Kevin`_, It was sdf1, but after the reboot now, it seems like sdf and sde have swapped, so it is sdf and sde1.  However, when I do it now, I get that sdb1 is busy
[02:16] <eb3ha4el> Is there anything like a kind of 'meta-distro' which enables one to use all distros when is properly learnt?
[02:17] <bazhang> eb3ha4el, try ##linux
[02:17] <Kevin`_> cba123: check mdstat again
[02:17] <eb3ha4el> bazhang: thansk
[02:18] <cba123> Kevin`_, I did "mdadm --stop /dev/md0" then tried assembling again, and I got that 2 drives isn't enough.  In my last pastebin though, sdb1 and sdc1 only had 2 listed at the bottom, and sdd1, sde, and sdf1 (now sde1 and sdf) had all 5
[02:19] <eb3ha4el> cd
[02:19] <eb3ha4el> Is there anything like a kind of 'meta-distro' which enables one to use all distros when is properly learnt?
[02:20] <eb3ha4el> oops
[02:20] <eb3ha4el> sorry
[02:20] <eb3ha4el> mistake
[02:21] <cba123> Kevin`_, Here is a new pastebin, with my mdstat, and mdadm -E on each drive
[02:21] <cba123> Kevin`_, http://pastebin.com/PCFykjHE (sorry for the double)
[02:21] <Misterangry`> anyone?
[02:23] <cba123> Kevin`_, Am I in as much trouble as I think I am?
[02:24] <satonio> hi
[02:24] <Kevin`_> cba123: no, it's possible to recover from this. i think there's an option in mdadm to either tell to use an old superblock or ignore the removed state, but I don't remember what it is. also you could re-create the array with exactly the correct specification. don't try that for now.
[02:25] <satonio> i added the xorg-edgers ppa to try to make my card work without software rasterizer and now i'm getting Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig on glxinfo, any ideas?
[02:25] <qin> Misterangry`: xbindkeys (if there is any input, you can bind it to mouse clicks, bad side you need to run extra deamon)
[02:26] <Misterangry`> alright, I'll try that and get back to you
[02:27] <thraspic> Can anyone explain why this script fails to connect me to the internet the first time I run it, but succeeds when I run it a second time?  http://pastebin.com/Y1aY9NXz
[02:28] <cba123> Kevin`_, This seems to say that it'll work, but idk http://kevin.deldycke.com/2007/03/how-to-recover-a-raid-array-after-having-zero-ized-superblocks/
[02:29] <Kevin`_> cba123: that will work, but you should use it as a last resort since you have to specify everything completely correct or lose data
[02:29] <ActionParsnip> thraspic: try a small sleep (about 5 should do) just before the dhclient, may help
[02:30] <cba123> Kevin`_, I meant the --zero-superblock line, not the recreating
[02:30] <thraspic> ActionParsnip, many thanks, will try
[02:30] <Kevin`_> cba123: don't do --zero-superblock, it won't help anything
[02:30] <ActionParsnip> thraspic: or one just after wlan up, so it has time to settle
[02:31] <cba123> Kevin`_, I also found one command "--assume-clean"?  Or is that bad too?  I'm just googling around to try to find the ignore removed command you suggested.  I appreaciate all your, and SpaceBass' help too btw
[02:32] <SpaceBass> cba123, our pleasure! we've all been there with software raid and that scary data loss feeling?.and it usually works out!
[02:32] <SpaceBass> cba123, remind me where we are - you've determined which drives are missing? what happens when you try and assemble explicatly?
[02:32] <Kevin`_> cba123: you might try assembling with the --force option. be sure to specify all devices
[02:32] <Misterangry`> qin: apparently pressing them isn't generating any keypress events
[02:32] <Kevin`_> cba123: stop the current array in mdstat first
[02:33] <qin> Misterangry`: That is bad news.
[02:33] <cba123> SpaceBass, http://pastebin.com/PCFykjHE my last pastebin, seems to have helped Kevin`_ figure out that my superblocks aren't in sync, I think.
[02:34] <Kevin`_> cba123: btw, if this happened to me, I would recreate the array state in a virtual machine and test the various options there first
[02:35] <cba123> Kevin`_, I would, but I don't know how to recreate the array state.  As in I can't recreate this error.  Would I run a high risk of data loss with --force?
[02:35] <qin> Misterangry`: Maybe they are disconnected, lsusb, lspci, lshw to find it.
[02:36] <SpaceBass> cba123, --force isn't risky in terms of data loss, just may not work
[02:36] <Kevin`_> cba123: you can recreate the error, just disconnect three of the drives from the vm, either from the vmm or with mdadm
[02:36] <SpaceBass> cba123, interesting, the magic blocks are all the same which is good
[02:37] <Kevin`_> cba123: and then hard-reboot it, of course
[02:38] <cba123> SpaceBass, Kevin`_, I did --force and it started with 4 out of 5.  So glad I did raid5 not raid1 (that's mirroring, right?)  Now I just have to figure out which dropped out and fix it
[02:38] <Gskellig> I had my laptop configured for really low power consumption, I was forced to reformat and now I can't get it nearly that low anymore. sucks
[02:38] <SpaceBass> cba123, my money is on /dev/sdbe :D
[02:39] <smw> how can I tell if I am on a 64 bit machine?
[02:39] <SpaceBass> cba123, thats great that it started ? now you can do a mdamn -D /dev/md0
[02:39] <cba123> Kevin`_, SpaceBass, My data is still there!  But according to mdadm --detail, /dev/sde1 is gone.
[02:39] <duckx0r> is there any way to get gnome terminal to display output colors when connected to a remote machine via ssh like konsole does?
[02:39] <Kevin`_> cba123: with raid1 you can always start with 1 device. you wouldn't have any useful storage from 5 drives though ;p
[02:39] <cba123> SpaceBass, sde and sdf swapped after a reboot, so sdf1 became sde1 and sde became sdf
[02:40] <smw> duckx0r, it does
[02:40] <Gskellig> does anybody know good tips for saving battery life on laptops?
[02:40] <Gskellig> besides powertop
[02:40] <duckx0r> smw, not for me
[02:40] <Kevin`_> cba123: since 4 drives is enough for consistancy, you could add the drive back and let the array overwrite the data on it
[02:40] <cba123> Kevin`_, I meant raid0 then, I always confuse them.  I know one is mirrored and one is striped
[02:40] <smw> duckx0r, try ls --color
[02:40] <SpaceBass> cba123, good time to fix that sde problem ? you could use parted (or gparted) and create a new raid partition and add it like a new drive
[02:40]  * wli is trying to get a grub boot menu to come up with a timeout and is not having luck with GRUB_TIMEOUT=60 in /etc/default/grub
[02:40] <duckx0r> smw, ahh yeah that worked
[02:41] <SpaceBass> cba123, you can also use the UUIDs of the disks in the mdadm conf file which will avoid those boot time sequence issues
[02:41] <cba123> SpaceBass, That'll take a while, the other is the one with the issue.  The one with the correct /dev/sde1 is wrong, not /dev/sdf
[02:41] <smw> duckx0r, I would alias that
[02:41] <SpaceBass> cba123, ah
[02:41] <duckx0r> smw, what do you mean?
[02:41] <cpare> Good evening room...
[02:41] <smw> duckx0r, make ls an alias for ls --color
[02:42] <duckx0r> smw, i'm not sure how to do that
[02:42] <cba123> Kevin`_, mdadm --detail /dev/md0 http://pastebin.com/d9NaqB2k
[02:42] <smw> duckx0r, http://linuxreviews.org/quicktips/alias/
[02:42]  * wli installed a splash screen, too, not that that's even showing up (the hope was that if it ever dropped into the menu I'd recognize the splash screen). It's just booting into the default kernel with no options for picking kernels.
[02:43] <Misterangry`> not seeing it in any of those
[02:43] <cba123> Kevin`_, SpaceBass, the syntax to add /dev/sde1 back in is "sudo mdadm /dev/md0 --add-device /dev/sde1" right?
[02:43] <duckx0r> smw, do i do that locally or remotely?
[02:43] <wli> This should be super-basic and something is thwarting me (10.10 Maverick).
[02:43] <Kevin`_> cba123: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sde1
[02:44] <smw> duckx0r, remotely
[02:44] <SpaceBass> cba123, mdamd --manage --add /dev/md0 /dev/sde1
[02:44] <SpaceBass> or what Kevin`_ said
[02:45] <duckx0r> smw, thanks a lot
[02:45] <smw> duckx0r, np
[02:45] <smw> so, anyone know how I can tell if I am on a 64bit machine?
[02:45] <cba123> Kevin`_, SpaceBass, says /dev/sde1 is busy
[02:46] <SpaceBass> smw, uname -m
[02:46] <Kevin`_> cba123: pastebin /proc/mdstat
[02:46] <SpaceBass> smw,  http://daws.in/jQdKRV :)
[02:46] <wli> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 just said GRUB_TIMEOUT= in /etc/default/grub would bring the menu up, and it's not coming up.
[02:46] <smw> SpaceBass, doesn't that tell me the software, not the hardware?
[02:46] <hjax> smw: run this command (no quotes): "arch"
[02:47] <smw> hjax, does that give hardware or software?
[02:47] <rationalOgre> wli: You need 00_header in /etc/grub.d
[02:47] <hjax> smw: oh do you know what CPU is in it?
[02:47] <Kevin`_> smw: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo
[02:47] <SpaceBass> smw, it tells you the version - 64 says x86_64
[02:47] <wli> rationalOgre: Anything in particular in 00_header?
[02:47] <SpaceBass> smw, just confirmed on two different machines, one 64 one 32
[02:48] <hjax> SpaceBass: but that wouldnt matter if he had installed a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit box
[02:48] <smw> Kevin`_, I did not find the answer there
[02:48] <Kevin`_> SpaceBass: it's possible to have a 32bit linux build running an x86_64 processor. it will report 32bit in that case
[02:48] <cba123> SpaceBass, Kevin`_, looks like something on my system is lying.  http://pastebin.com/2mLd39KM says everything but /dev/sdb1 is in md0
[02:48] <Kevin`_> smw: is it listed or not?
[02:48] <smw> Kereltis, SpaceBass, hjax, I found the answer with lshw. Thanks guys
[02:48] <smw> Kevin`_, it did not say where I searched that command.
[02:48] <SpaceBass> hjax, I just checked a 64 bit box running 32 bit natty - i686 (IE 32bit install)
[02:49] <rationalOgre> wli: Sorry, here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Configuring%20GRUB%202
[02:49] <smw> Kevin`_, I had already checked cpuinfo before asking
[02:49] <Kevin`_> smw: I meant in cpuinfo. the lm flag indicated support for 64bit
[02:49] <smw> Kevin`_, lshw rocks :-).
[02:49] <SpaceBass> Kevin`_, right, agree with you? uname -m reports properly in those cases (IE shows 32 bit install on a 64bit box)
[02:49] <rationalOgre> you did it right, you just need to run 'sudo update-grub'
[02:49] <smw> Kevin`_, ah, thanks for the info
[02:49] <Kevin`_> SpaceBass: not in my experience
[02:50] <wli> rationalOgre: That's the page I just said I'd looked at and gotten bad results by following its directions.
[02:50] <Kevin`_> SpaceBass: unless that's the information you are looking for
[02:50] <SpaceBass> Kevin`_, I defer to you on this one? not something I run or check often :)
[02:50] <rationalOgre> wli: Oh, sorry
[02:50] <Kevin`_> SpaceBass: it would report 32bit if you are running 32bit on 64bit. if that's what you want it to say, it's correct
[02:50] <rationalOgre> wli: natty?
[02:50] <smw> SpaceBass, uname -m give i686 for me
[02:50] <SpaceBass> Ill also defer to punching my box in the face it i had one? #rage ? love this new server I built, but its not been east to get everything running? ugh!
[02:51] <SpaceBass> Kevin`_, yeah, thats what I meant
[02:51] <wli> rationalOgre: Maverick
[02:51] <smw> SpaceBass, I am using 32bit software
[02:51] <SpaceBass> smw, wasn't your goal to demtermin if your install was 32 or 64? or were you trying to determine the hardware?
[02:51] <duckx0r> i gathered he was trying to determine the hardware
[02:51] <smw> SpaceBass, as I kept saying. I wanted hardware ;-)
[02:51] <hjax> SpaceBass: he said hardware
[02:52] <__sorin__> Hi. Has anyone used GNU parallel?
[02:52] <SpaceBass> smw, ahhh sorry? read to fast? stand corrected Kevin`_ hjax and duckx0r
[02:52] <smw> !anyone | __sorin__
[02:52] <hjax> All of our wats worked perfectly fine if he wanted software :P
[02:53] <hjax> Ways*
[02:53] <__sorin__> smw, there is a reason for this type of question. When you just ask directly, a billion newbs who have never used x give their opinion on y wasting everyone's time.
[02:54] <smw> hjax, yep... and I knew most of them :-P
[02:54] <cpare> Quest ion - Any reason why my Quibber / Empathy / eMail have to be running even with the icon in the tooltray?
[02:54] <hjax> __sorin__: people will do that anyway
[02:54] <rkvirani> nothing compares to itunes audex is still giving me problems
[02:54] <Kevin`_> __sorin__: most people will not answer the "anyone" questions
[02:55] <rationalOgre> wli: looking over 00_header it looks like you have to change transform somehow. Looking up how that works.
[02:55] <smw> __sorin__, I never answer anyone questions except with the bot :-P
[02:55] <wli> rationalOgre: Thanks.
[02:56] <__sorin__> I've been playing with GNU Parallel, and I'm getting worst performance than without it.
[02:56] <smw> __sorin__, you asking a complete question teaches those watching the channel alot. For example, in this case I have just learned of a new tool I have never seen before. If you had given more info, I would have an example usecase and an example problem. Of course, this is very selfish :-P.
[02:57] <smw> __sorin__, that, and sometimes a problem can be solved by people who have never seen the software before... it happens alot
[02:58] <cba123> Kevin`_, SpaceBass, sorry, had a phone call.  From my mdstat, would I be correct in assuming that I need to add sdb1 not sde1?
[02:58] <Kevin`_> cba123: yes
[03:00] <cba123> Kevin`_, last question.  Is it safe to use my raid while it's rebuilding?  mdadm -D /dev/md0 says it's state is "clean, degraded, recovering"
[03:00] <wli> rationalOgre: Still hunting?
[03:00] <rationalOgre> wli: line 154 of 00_header
[03:00] <wli> rationalOgre: GRUB_TERMINAL_INPUT?
[03:00] <rationalOgre> change set timeout=${GRUB_TIMEOUT}
[03:01] <Kevin`_> cba123: yes, it's safe, aside from you needing to assemble the array in this way in the future (don't try with sdb1 and without one of the other disks)
[03:01] <rationalOgre> to set timeout=(whateveryouwantwithoutparens)
[03:01] <rationalOgre> then run sudo update-grub
[03:01] <Kevin`_> cba123: at least until it finishes rebuilding
[03:02] <wli> rationalOgre: I see it on lines 242 and 244, 242 sets to -1 and 244 does set timeout=${2}
[03:02] <rationalOgre> wli: I'm in 10.04 so it may be different
[03:02] <Kevin`_> cba123: I once had a system crash in a similar way to this while the array was restriping (expanding from 4 disks to 5 or similar). fixing that was a learning experience
[03:02] <rationalOgre> sorry
[03:02] <wli> rationalOgre: What was the line in your 00_header before, that should be enough to go on.
[03:02] <cba123> Kevin`_, Not sure I understood that correctly, basically you mean don't try to write to it if another drive falls off, and I just have 4 (with sdb1 as one of them and it hasn't rebuilt yet)?
[03:02] <rationalOgre> else
[03:03] <wli> rationalOgre: Was it set timeout=${2}?
[03:03] <Kevin`_> cba123: I mean if you have a failure NOW, while it's rebuilding
[03:03] <rationalOgre> It's the second branch of the if [ \${recordfail} = 1 ]
[03:03] <rationalOgre> mine reads different instead of ${2} mine has ${GRUB_TIMEOUT}
[03:03] <Kevin`_> cba123: you'll have to assemble it without sdb1 again if that happens (or with all the drives)
[03:04] <cba123> Kevin`_, Yeah, I thought as much.  Thanks again, Kevin`_  and SpaceBass!
[03:04] <rationalOgre> the else branch
[03:05] <wli> rationalOgre: So that needs to be a hard number, then?
[03:05] <rationalOgre> wli: Well, you could go to where ${2} is defined and change it
[03:05] <rationalOgre> But that might have unaticipated consequences
[03:05] <rationalOgre> But yes, it needs to be an integer
[03:07] <rationalOgre> Boy, they really don't make configuring this easy...
[03:07] <wli> Wrapping up a download quick and booting it after.
[03:08] <rationalOgre> I'll be here, let me know how it goes. Did you run sudo update-grub?
[03:08] <wli> Yeah, I updated grub.
[03:08] <rationalOgre> Ok.
[03:09]  * wli goes in for the kernel vs. messing with bootloaders much.
[03:10] <wli> rationalOgre: Here goes. It'll be a minute or two.
[03:11] <SpaceBass> silly question? how do you run nice with a negitive number? nice -n -10  ?
[03:12] <wli> rationalOgre: No dice. It booted immediately into the default kernel again.
[03:13] <rationalOgre> wli: :(
[03:13] <rationalOgre> wli: what about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1664134
[03:13] <rationalOgre> Grub Customizer
[03:13] <wli> rationalOgre: I'll give it a shot.
[03:13] <rationalOgre> GUI app for grup customization
[03:15] <yuvateja> what is ubuntu eqivalent package for macro media flash in windows
[03:15] <rationalOgre> SpaceBass: what you did should work for -10
[03:15] <smw> yuvateja, flashplugin-nonfree
[03:15] <SpaceBass> rationalOgre, thanks
[03:15] <sebastiancadena> Hi, i'm bored :(
[03:15] <smw> yuvateja, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:16] <smw> sebastiancadena, you have come to the right place. Help some people out ;-)
[03:16] <yuvateja> smw; thanku
[03:17] <memoshah> hi
[03:17] <smw> hi memoshah
[03:17] <memoshah> hi
[03:17] <jmspeex> Any tips on running 2.6.39 on Lucid? The kernel I compiled panicked after it was unable to mount the root fs
[03:17] <jmspeex> Anyone's got an existing config that works?
[03:18] <memoshah> r u German Steph?
[03:19] <smw> jmspeex, have you looked at the config in the src deb for ubuntu's stock kernel?
[03:19] <smw> jmspeex, more importantly, why are you compiling a kernel?
[03:20] <jmspeex> smw: I started from the config of a 2.6.34 ppa kernel that I'm currently running
[03:20] <smw> jmspeex, ok
[03:20] <sexcopter> hi, i want to completely start fresh with samba file sharing (i've played with the configs a little too much and it's not working right)... so is "apt-get purge samba" enough? any other packages you'd recommend clearing out?
[03:20] <smw> jmspeex, why aren't you running the stock kernel?
[03:20] <wli> rationalOgre: Keeping the installation media handy just in case...
[03:21] <jmspeex> smw: I'm interested in some of the new features and my current kernel has a few suspend-related issues so I was trying to see if that would fix the issue
[03:21] <smw> sexcopter, no reason to clear out other packages. Just make sure all configs are deleted.
[03:21] <rationalOgre> wli: wise
[03:21] <jmspeex> smw: Stock kernel (2.6.32) doesn't resume USB when I suspend.
[03:21] <smw> ok
[03:21] <sexcopter> smw, okay, thanks.
[03:22] <wli> rationalOgre: I'm hoping the install disk acts as a recovery disk, too...
[03:22] <hiexpo> jmspeex, did ya try the 2.6.38.5
[03:22] <jmspeex> hiexpo: There are "official" builds for that one? Didn't see anything newer than 2.6.35
[03:22] <CyberCod1> I'm having trouble installing 10.04 on a Pavillion G7
[03:22] <ActionParsnip> CyberCod1: what issues?
[03:23] <yuvateja> is there any tuneup utility packages are there?
[03:23] <CyberCod1> the progress indicator just keeps moving, never gets to desktop
[03:23] <hiexpo> jmspeex, it runs really good and fast
[03:23] <smw> yuvateja, I don't know what you would want to tune.
[03:23] <CyberCod1> tried the F6 options to disable ACPI and whatnot
[03:23] <jmspeex> FTR, I used to compile my own kernels since 1.2.13, but since 2.6 came out I lost track a bit of all the details needed to make recent distros happy
[03:23] <CyberCod1> no joy
[03:23] <rationalOgre> wli: You could always backup your pre-edit grub.cfg elsewhere from /boot/grub
[03:23] <smw> yuvateja, lets say you were on [insert OS here], what would you tune?
[03:24]  * wli craps his pants as he realizes he failed to do so.
[03:24] <rationalOgre> wli: then if things go wrong just move your backup back into /boot/grub
[03:24] <yuvateja> smw; desktop
[03:24] <wli> rationalOgre: Okay, pre-edit grub.cfg I already blew away. Where do I get a normal one?
[03:24] <rationalOgre> wli: It's system specific. :(
[03:24] <smw> yuvateja, explain. I still don't know what you would tune...
[03:24] <jmspeex> essentially, AFAIR the 2.6.39 kernel I built wasn't able to fine /dev/sda1 which is my root partitial
[03:24]  * wli had better find one before rebooting.
[03:24] <CyberCod1> I am currently doing the disk check, though I verified the data on the torrent..
[03:25] <rationalOgre> copy the one you just made elsewhere
[03:25] <rationalOgre> then run sudo update-grub
[03:25] <rationalOgre> it should make you a new one
[03:25] <jmspeex> hiexpo: Where can I get a working config/binary for 2.6.38.5 ?
[03:25] <infurion9> do you have to use kde4 with the latest ubuntu?
[03:25] <infurion9> (if you use kde?)
[03:25] <westy_> iphones work great in ubuntu, not so great in Kubuntu. can anyone tell me about what is used in ubuntu?
[03:26] <wli> rationalOgre: What about /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub?
[03:26] <smw> infurion9, yes, kde3 is not in the repos
[03:26] <rationalOgre> No need to backup those
[03:26] <rationalOgre> that I can think of.
[03:26] <smw> infurion9, you probably would not want to anyways. kde4 has been around too long
[03:26] <infurion9> ok--and are autologins for a normal user to x possible or blocked as seems the case in debian squeeze?
[03:26] <smw> infurion9, you would need to use old versions of all the software
[03:26] <rationalOgre> wli: why, is Grub Config app warning you that it may not work?
[03:27] <yuvateja> smw; what is the tuneup utilities in windows eqvalent package in ubuntu
[03:27] <wli> rationalOgre: It's not warning me of such, but I presume such.
[03:27] <rationalOgre> probably wise to presume such.
[03:27] <smw> infurion9, gdm (and I believe kdm) support autologin.
[03:27] <wli> rationalOgre: Will reinstalling grub deal with it?
[03:27] <rationalOgre> wli: it should, that would set everything back to defaults.
[03:28] <smw> yuvateja, no idea, I have no idea what it does.
[03:28] <infurion9> ive been screwing around with a clean install of squeeze and cant get any autologin to work--even trying to run the configurations as sudo
[03:28] <infurion9> not in xfce gnome or kde
[03:28] <smw> infurion9, have you been trying to configure the dm?
[03:29] <yuvateja> smw: it change the desktop envronment
[03:29] <infurion9> not with kdm xdm or gdm either
[03:29] <smw> yuvateja, you need to explain what it changes...
[03:29] <improveupon> hello my gui keeps crashing when i return from suspend if a flash video was playing in firefox. you have to go to a vt and reboot. sound keeps coming through (and cannot be stopped). the mouse pointer moves but nothing else.
[03:29] <hiexpo> jmspeex, one sec
[03:30] <improveupon> is it xorg that has crashed? what else could i try from vt1?
[03:30] <thismamacooks200> is there a log file that will show me who's been loging in via remote desktop?
[03:30] <wli> rationalOgre: Okay, relevant grub packages cp'd to /root/ and praying.
[03:31]  * rationalOgre crosses fingers
[03:31] <infurion9> smw: yes ive been trying to enable autologins for my regular user
[03:31] <smw> improveupon, I have had those problems too. I think it is a problem with my kernel/video drivers
[03:31] <yuvateja> smw;it changes the booting screen.we can insert our image as boot screen.
[03:31] <improveupon> thank you. btw this is a dell latitude.
[03:32] <infurion9> but really all i want to know is can you do that with ubuntu--i dont expect debian squeeze advice here
[03:32] <smw> improveupon, if you ever fix it. let me know ;-)
[03:32] <smw> yuvateja, I know nothing about theming. You want to change the login background image?
[03:32] <improveupon> i'll try to
[03:33] <hiexpo> jmspeex, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa
[03:34] <wli> rationalOgre: Good news, the grub configurator worked on Maverick.
[03:34] <hiexpo> jmspeex, than sudo apt-get update than open synaptic and install them
[03:34] <yuvateja> smw; yes ,changing backround sound also.
[03:35] <rationalOgre> yuvateja: you wanting to mess around with plymouth?
[03:35] <rationalOgre> yuvateja: or GDM?
[03:35] <smw> yuvateja, look up theming. I never do anything like that.
[03:35] <rationalOgre> wli: Congratulations.
[03:35] <rationalOgre> :)
[03:36] <wli> rationalOgre: Now I can hack the kernel and pick non-default/etc. kernels with whatever wild patches I might be brewing up (pgcl rehash? /proc/profile tweaks esp. to sched profiling?) at will. Cheers.
[03:37] <rationalOgre> Cheers, sir. :)
[03:37] <kzman> hi, how can i change the display light brightness of my notebook?
[03:37] <kzman> on ubuntu
[03:38] <yuvateja> smw; k
[03:38] <od3n> hi all
[03:38] <westy_> kzman, does you notebook have a function key brightness combo?
[03:38] <kzman> westy_ yes, it display a notification when I hit them, but it does not change the brightness
[03:39] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: is it plugged into the wall?
[03:39] <hiexpo> hola all
[03:39] <rationalOgre> howdy hiexpo
[03:39] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, which wall?
[03:39] <rationalOgre> kzman: He's asking if it's presently on AC power.
[03:39] <rationalOgre> or running off battery
[03:39] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: the Electrical Outlet in the wall
[03:39] <kzman> oh sure
[03:39] <kzman> yes
[03:40] <kzman> :D
[03:40] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: unplug it and try
[03:40] <jmspeex> hiexpo: linux-image-2.6.38-8-generic ?
[03:40] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, same problem
[03:40] <hiexpo> jmspeex, no   no   38 5
[03:40] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: what brand of notebook
[03:40] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, emachines (acer)
[03:40] <jmspeex> hiexpo: What's wrong with 5?
[03:41] <hiexpo> five is good
[03:41] <jmspeex> I mean what's wrong with 8?
[03:41] <kzman> I can do it on POST and on Windows, but in ubuntu it can not
[03:41] <hiexpo> no good slow
[03:41] <wli> It's a bit busy of a channel. I'm heading out. Thanks, rationalOgre.
[03:42] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: Have you updated your BIOS
[03:42] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, is the latest (yes I updated it recently)
[03:42] <jm__> hello room
[03:43] <jm__> a new user in xubuntu
[03:43] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: is it an aspire 5720?
[03:43] <RoDiMuS-X> oh wait you said emachine
[03:43] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, no, it0s an emachines d525
[03:43] <jm__> i left microsoft
[03:43] <hiexpo> jm__, what you need?
[03:44] <jm__> well iam testing this s.o
[03:44] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: have you tried launching gnome-power-manager
[03:45] <kzman> yes, I try every way to change it graphically
[03:45] <hiexpo> jm__, so are you having problems or just need advice   etc
[03:45] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: hmm running out of options here
[03:45] <jm__> and iam satisfied whit it but i caný find the sound , i mean the tipical sound of ubuntu, but in this case xubuntu.
[03:45] <kzman> waiy
[03:45] <kzman> wait
[03:46] <jm__> hiexpo first time here in this chat too
[03:46] <hiexpo> jm__, humm  xubuntu 11.04
[03:46] <kzman> when I type gnome-power-manager in the console, it  says 'already running in this session
[03:46] <jm__> nop 10.04
[03:46] <jm__> lts
[03:47] <hiexpo> jm__, ok well just ask your ? and if anyone knows they will respond
[03:47] <hiexpo> jm__, ok let me see
[03:47] <jmspeex> Let's see if 2.6.38 boots
[03:47] <od3n> anyone tell me why I cant get my connection to work in VMware
[03:47] <jmspeex> ~
[03:47] <djmaster> how can i run an .exe on wine?
[03:47] <jm__> ok
[03:47] <kzman> djmaster, type wine yourfile.exe
[03:48] <hiexpo> jm__, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=563395
[03:49] <djmaster> thank you kzman
[03:49] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: this may work gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/use_time_for_policy false'
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> od3n: have you configured the vmware NIC correctly?
[03:50] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, what does it do exactly?
[03:50] <jm__> ok hiexpo
[03:50] <jm__> thnxx
[03:50] <hiexpo> jm__, no problem
[03:50] <djmaster> has the xfce project shutdown?
[03:51] <jm__> hiexpo another troubke but libreoffice
[03:51] <ActionParsnip> djmaster: no
[03:51] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: its a work around for the reported emachines power management bug
[03:51] <djmaster> ty
[03:51] <kzman> mm
[03:51] <ActionParsnip> djmaster: its running and strong :)
[03:51] <rationalOgre> djmaster: doesn't appear so. The website is still running.
[03:51] <hiexpo> jm__, i use openoffice so don'tknow about libre sorry
[03:51] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, must I log out my sesion?
[03:51] <djmaster> lo
[03:51] <djmaster> l
[03:51] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/531190
[03:52] <jm__> my son made a homework and the print parameters were not same than microsoft
[03:52] <hiexpo> jm__, open office is better
[03:52] <jm__> same trouble with open
[03:52] <afeijo> hi guys, I'm trying to configure the ssh-2 key with putty.exe, but when I try to use it, it say that the server refused my key. Any good tutorial? I followed this one http://linux-sxs.org/networking/openssh.putty.html
[03:52] <jm__> but open can read office 2007 as well?
[03:53] <hiexpo> yup
[03:54] <jm__> cool how can i install it with the terminal?
[03:54] <jm__> please
[03:54] <kzman> RoDiMuS-X, that0s not my case
[03:54] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: did you read the comments below
[03:54] <kzman> wait
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: how is openoffice better?
[03:55] <fancycakes> lol
[03:55] <fancycakes> OOo
[03:55] <RoDiMuS-X> kzman: thats the closest thing I was able to find
[03:55] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, i just like it better
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: doesn't make it better just because you like it ;)
[03:56] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, :)
[03:56] <jm__> some expertise ubunter who speak spanish please?
[03:57] <m4v> jm__: el canal de habla hispana es #ubuntu-es ;)
[03:59] <yuvateja> my enter button is not working what  is the alternate command for it
[03:59] <FroztIkon> could anyone tell me why my login screen become pixellated lines that I can't use only after I log out?
[04:00] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, i pretty much thought they were the same except libre  doesn't come with java for the data base
[04:00] <fancycakes> yuvateja: ctrl+shift+j works for me
[04:01] <fancycakes> heixpo: libO is also fast as balls.
[04:01] <yuvateja> fancycakes; i tried it not working for me.
[04:02] <fancycakes> yuvateja: derp
[04:02] <rhin0> anyone know what brand of external terabyte USB drive I should go for for compatibility
[04:02] <fancycakes> yuvateja: knock on wood, I was assuming you were using the terminal to chat in IRC.
[04:03] <renoteck> Hola
[04:03] <fancycakes> rhin0: wat
[04:04] <rhin0> external usb terabyte hard disk drive -- am going to buy one -- what make/brand to avoid what make/brand to use
[04:04] <rhin0> fancycakes
[04:04] <FroztIkon> can I remove kde altogether?
[04:05] <fancycakes> rhin0: expound upon your question. Compatibility for what purpose?
[04:05] <Coty91> any ish drive should work rhin0
[04:05] <rhin0> to just work -- read/write
[04:05] <Kevin`_> rhin0: unless you want performance, make sure you use one with a very low power hard drive, otherwise it's going to overheat if left on
[04:05] <rhin0> whats ish
[04:05] <rhin0> ok coty91
[04:05] <Coty91> ish my bad
[04:05] <Coty91> usb
[04:06] <Coty91> typing from Android LOL
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: http://www.unixmen.com/software/1505-libreoffice-vs-openoffice
[04:06] <rhin0> will I have to reformat it to ext4 -- what do I do with it -- they come formatted with ntfs right
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> Coty91: using andchat?
[04:07] <Coty91> androidirc
[04:07] <Coty91> and ruin0 no you won't have to.
[04:07] <rhin0> ok thanks coty91 on android
[04:08] <ActionParsnip> Coty91: i see. I use andchat, androidirc looks pretty cool
[04:08] <IdleOne> rhin0: you can format it to ext4 if you want but if you plan on sharing with windows better leave it at ntfs
[04:08] <saa1959> I upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 and now wireless nic BCM4312 is not working anymore.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1604868&page=30 is very long thread covering many different nic cards and is very confusing to find a solution.  Any ideas on step-by-step instructions to configure bcm4312 properly?
[04:08] <rhin0> i don't
[04:08] <rhin0> use windows
[04:08] <renoteck> hello
[04:08] <rhin0> hi renoteck
[04:09] <FloatingGoat> j
[04:09] <yassine_hell> hi, how can i close a running process ?
[04:09] <ActionParsnip> saa1959: you may need to reinstall the firmware cutter
[04:09] <Coty91> ActionParsnip: any pros to andchat?
[04:09] <rhin0> yassine_hell use bash shell command : ps -ef to find the process -- then kill -9 process number
[04:09] <yassine_hell> :o ty
[04:10] <rhin0> the -9 forces the kill -- will kill an elephant
[04:10] <abusami> umm , hi
[04:10] <yassine_hell> ?
[04:10] <abusami> hello ?
[04:11] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, so is libre better   by your choices ?
[04:12] <Coty91> expo: Inmho it is
[04:14] <Coty91> hiexpo: it is. IMHO
[04:14] <hiexpo> kk Coty91
[04:14] <djmaster> help when i close my lid on my dell latitude c640 (I'm running xfce) it goes in hibernation and when i got to tack it of and log back in my computer shutsdown and when i restart it flashisw my last window and goes in a blue screan
[04:15] <djmaster> sry keybored going out
[04:16] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: I use abiword. I don't use spreadsheets or anything else, saves me a tonne of space. Libreoffice is 300Mb
[04:16] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, k
[04:16] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: abiword is 12mb
[04:17] <hiexpo> ActionParsnip, yup i use abiword also
[04:17] <hiexpo> but i do use spreessheets so i will try libre to see
[04:19] <fancycakes> ActionParsnip: By that same logic, using Vim would be the best.
[04:19] <fancycakes> ActionParsnip: Or cat.
[04:19]  * fancycakes high-fives himself
[04:19] <ActionParsnip> fancycakes: true but a nice gui is nice to have, especially easy to add fonts and formatting
[04:20] <dpn`> Anyone have a dell l501x?
[04:20] <ActionParsnip> fancycakes: i can do exactly the same as I would with *office that I can do with abiword, so why waste space
[04:20] <hiexpo> yup cat     high fives fancycakes
[04:20] <Coty91> hiexpo: you could always use Google's spreadsheets.
[04:21] <ActionParsnip> fancycakes: can vim add images to files inline?
[04:21] <Shaba1> Hello all
[04:21] <hiexpo> Coty91, nah almost got it installed
[04:21] <barlrol> someone wanna help me configure apach2
[04:21] <fancycakes> ActionParsnip: No, but that's rice anyway
[04:22] <rcconf> is there a way to change nvidia settings to clone mode in ONE click?
[04:22] <rcconf> like in winblows
[04:22] <ActionParsnip> fancycakes: its a feature I require, can vim do it?
[04:22] <Shaba1> Hello all
[04:22] <Shaba1> is anyone seeing my typing now?
[04:22] <kate1> help: wget --post-data "id1=abc&id2=cde" http://abc.asp doesn't work but its works fine with php
[04:22] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: i can
[04:22] <kate1> ?
[04:22] <Delerium_> barlrol, your questions are?
[04:22] <Shaba1> I hate to ask such a newbish question. I am using a new linux irc client
[04:23] <fancycakes> ActionParsnip: No
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> fancycakes: vim doesn't seem so best now, I think you need to un-highfive yourself
[04:23] <Shaba1> I have just crossed over from the darkside (Windows 7) into you linux world
[04:23] <dpn`> kate1, you need to provide more information. (most likely that the asp handler is requiring some params you aren't sending?)
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: everyone starts someplace
[04:23] <fancycakes> ActionParsnip: come at me bro
[04:23] <Em0ry> hello
[04:24] <sexcopter> hi, i've just done a "sudo apt-get purge samba" and "sudo apt-get install samba" to start afresh with samba. i don't see /etc/samba/ so have I missed a step?
[04:24] <beyond_> what is the difference btw irc server and irc network
[04:24] <Shaba1> ah ActionParsnip  you text shows up in red here in xchat does that me that you are pming me
[04:24] <rcconf> you know?
[04:24] <sin_tax> Is there a way to change the default behavior of Unity to open a *new* window when the 'home folder' icon on the left nav bar is clicked (when you already have one open in another workspace)?
[04:24] <Shaba1> Sorry I am use to mirc
[04:24] <beyond_> don't all answer at the same time
[04:24] <ActionParsnip> fancycakes: both your suggestions don't fit the needs of the user (me). Its all I'm saying
[04:24] <Coty91> shaba1: means he is talking to you in chat.
[04:24] <Shaba1> beyond the network is a collection of two or more irc server under a single administrative control
[04:24] <Em0ry> Can someone please tell me where i can download cowpatty?
[04:25] <kate1> my prob is that wget --post-data doesn't work with asp pages..
[04:25] <rcconf> I want to TwinView in one click bah.
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> sexcopter: try: sudo apt-get --purge remove samba; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install samba
[04:25] <Shaba1> theoretically you could run just one irc server deamon and that would be your whole network.
[04:25] <hiexpo> hmm it is pretty fast
[04:25] <beyond_> how do you get on to a network then?
[04:25] <beyond_> is freenode a network?
[04:25] <Shaba1> It probably would not stay up very long though after about 20-50 users
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> beyond_: yes
[04:25] <sexcopter> ActionParsnip, trying it now, thanks!
[04:26] <Em0ry> Can someone please tell me where i can download cowpatty?
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> beyond_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenode
[04:26] <beyond_> alrighty then
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> !info cowpatty
[04:26] <barlrol> Delerium_: I added public_html inside of /home/user and I want apache2 to use that by default instead of /var/www  How would I change this?
[04:26] <Shaba1> Coty91: So becasue he typed in my nick with a : xchat higlighted it in red?
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> Em0ry: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6305421  shows the deps needed to compile it
[04:27] <fancycakes> Shaba1, it happens whenever your name is mentioned
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> !PPA | Em0ry you may find a PPA has it
[04:27] <faryshta> Hello. Can someone walk me throw aircrack?
[04:27] <saa1959> http://pastebin.com/pX0a0dRM ActionParsnip I reinstalled firmware-b43-lpphy-installer and b43-fwcutter.  Both firmware-b43-installer and firmware-b43legacy-instally are not installed.  I still am unable to establish a wireless network connection.  Were there any additional steps that you recommend in addition to reinstalling the firmware cutter?
[04:27] <Delerium_> barlrol, You chan change your DocumentRoot in httpd.conf to point to your home directory
[04:27] <lrisingr> fellas could u plz tell me y aireplay is not working in my System....its diwsplaying "no such bssid available"
[04:28] <bazhang> faryshta, try #aircrack-ng
[04:28] <Delerium_> barlrol, but I think it's better to keep the docRoot where it is right now ;)
[04:28] <Coty91> Em0ry: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cowpatty/files/cowpatty/cowpatty-2.0/cowpatty-2.0.tgz/download
[04:28] <Coty91> shaba1: yes
[04:28] <Shaba1> Ok I know this is a software specific question but here goes
[04:29] <Shaba1> How does one join more the one channel in xchat
[04:29] <bazhang> Shaba1, edit the server, add autojoin channels
[04:29] <Coty91> shaba1:  /join #channel
[04:29] <Shaba1> In mIRC its just "/j theotherchannel" and it will open another window with that channel
[04:30] <kate1> dpn`: can u specify the required parameters for asp handler..?
[04:30] <bazhang> Shaba1, its the same with #channel
[04:30] <Shaba1> very nice Coty91
[04:30] <Shaba1> I was not using the #
[04:30] <dpn`> kate1, no I don't know sorry. you'll have to check the asp source code
[04:31] <lrisingr> fellas could u plz tell me y aireplay is not working in my System....its diwsplaying "no such bssid available"
[04:31] <Shaba1> ok third newbie question"btw I hate feeling like such a newbie, I built my first altair 5000 in 1977, but I am a windows net admin(unemployed) and this is a new world.
[04:32] <Shaba1> what is the most popular irc program for linux.
[04:32] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: hard to say really
[04:32] <bazhang> !best | Shaba1
[04:32] <Coty91> shaba1: in my world chat
[04:32] <qin> Shaba1: irssi (it is the best)
[04:32] <cfedde> Shaba1: lots of people like irssi others think chatzilla is ok.
[04:32] <Coty91> shaba1: xchat
[04:32] <Shaba1> I just chose xchat from the software center becasue somewhere in the back of my mind that name tinkled a bell
[04:32] <cfedde> and then there are those people who lile xchat.
[04:32] <barlrol> Delerium_: I don't see httpd.conf in /etc/apache2/ directory.
[04:32] <tucemiux> anyone knows where sound cards get mounted?? o.O
[04:32] <cfedde> like too.
[04:33] <kzman> hi, how can I open apturl links with apturl by default?
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: try a few, see which you like
[04:33] <saa1959> Here is more info: http://pastebin.com/K67PMgaV
[04:33] <Coty91> shaba1: It's the mist user friendly. imo
[04:34] <Shaba1> Acutally I would like one as close to mIRC as I could gewt
[04:34] <Coty91> shave1 most*
[04:34] <Shaba1> get
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> tucemiux: sound cards dont get mounted
[04:34] <Shaba1> but that is probably just a dream
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: irssi has great scripting abilities
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: depends what features you use in mirc
[04:34] <Delerium_> barlrol, check in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[04:35] <Shaba1> ActionParsnip Ihave been using it since 1996 so I just know how to set it up to my liking
[04:35] <tucemiux> ActionParsnip, i mean what device does it use?  --> initializing audio at /dev/dsp,  /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[04:35] <Delerium_> barlrol, this is a symlink to /etc/apache2/sites-available
[04:35] <barlrol> Delerium_ Can I msg for a sec?
[04:35] <Shaba1> I like the autolongon to my two favorite networks with my username and password already for the indentify function
[04:35] <Shaba1> that is a great time saver
[04:36] <Shaba1> I like logging freenode of course
[04:36] <Shaba1> Tab completion of nicks is invaluable
[04:36] <Delerium_> barlrol, yup
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/setting-up-irssi/ shows how to setup autologin
[04:36] <HelloWorld321> I just checked: the bestbot pretty much has 0 for everything. :(
[04:36] <Shaba1> I do like how xchat seems to have a built in spellchecker
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> tucemiux: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh; chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh; ./alsa-info.sh
[04:37] <PalinBachman2012> weechat is nice too
[04:38] <Shaba1> ok ActionParsnip : here is one thing that I discovered. Xchat does not automatically open links that I click on in a chat box
[04:38] <Shaba1> I use that all the time in mirc
[04:38] <jcook_5xdata> tucemiux, padsp command creates a false '/dev/dsp' and feeds the audio into pulseaudio.
[04:38] <tucemiux> ActionParsnip,  my sound card works fine, it's the application that's acting funky, I'm using a USB sound card but the app keeps poinging to /dev/dsp for some reason , so my question is  how do I figure out what device my usb card is being assigned?
[04:39] <ActionParsnip> tucemiux: do you have another sound device in the system?
[04:39] <jcook_5xdata> tucemiux, padsp command creates a false '/dev/dsp' and feeds the audio into pulseaudio.
[04:39] <tucemiux> jcook_5xdata, i figured purge audio had something to do with it but what is the work around to it so that my application can use the sound card, what should I use instead of /dev/dsp??
[04:39] <lefty_> KM0201, You here ?
[04:40] <KM0201> lefty_: affirmative
[04:40] <devbug> Is anyone here wiling to contribute to wiki that publishes reverse engineered specifications of close hardware and software?
[04:40] <devbug> closed*
[04:40] <bazhang> !ot | devbug
[04:40] <jcook_5xdata> tucemiux, depands sound to me like it use oss for sound
[04:41] <tucemiux> jcook_5xdata, im not so sure about that how would I find out? My sound works fine, its just some appz that need to point at the right sound device, those appz fail
[04:41] <sexcopter> ActionParsnip, regarding installing samba afresh, I still don't have an /etc/samba/ directory. One detail I didn't mention is between before doing the "purge" I did "mv /etc/samba/ /etc/samba.backup/" -- does this imply anything?
[04:42] <jcook_5xdata> tucemiux, so if your apps at /home/user/app, you would put padsp /home/user/app
[04:42] <JoshDreamland> What's the difference in GNOME version between 10.10 and 11.04?
[04:42] <jcook_5xdata> tucemiux, that will create the /dev/dsp for you
[04:43] <sin_tax> Is there a hotkey to open a terminal at the current 'explorer' location?
[04:43] <jcook_5xdata> also install alsa-oss just incase sudo apt-get install asla-oss
[04:43] <jcook_5xdata> alsa-oss
[04:44] <sin_tax> Is the file explorer still called Nautilus in 11.04?
[04:44] <jcook_5xdata> sin_tax, yes
[04:44] <bacon000> I need the dev packages for tiff, png, gif, and jpeg.  How can I find these package names?
[04:45] <vertevero> bacon000, sudo aptitude search
[04:45] <EOF-sensei> You guys really need to fix your GNOME2, it's failure today caused me to cry
[04:45] <ActionParsnip> sexcopter: it should install again as far as I know. I can give you a copy of mine if you want?
[04:45] <bacon000> vertevero:  i know how to search, but it's not helping me find the package required for dev.
[04:46] <qin> bacon000: libpng-dev, etc
[04:46] <vertevero> bacon000, what qin said.
[04:46] <bacon000> qin, vertevero :  gotcha.  thanks!
[04:46] <bray> hola, he elimidado mis "barras de heramientas" y no sé como restablecerlas
[04:46] <jcook_5xdata> bacon000, try imagemagic-dev <sp
[04:47] <m4v> bray: este canal es en inglés, pregunta en #ubuntu-es
[04:47] <sexcopter> ActionParsnip, just looked at the smbd log... and it is still trying to read /etc/samba/smb.conf (I thought perhaps it changed somehow to look in my backed up directory)... if yours is a vanilla conf file, then yes please. Otherwise, if someone can please point me to *the* default samba conf file, I'd be grateful
[04:49] <saa1959> BCM4312 issues with Ubuntu 11.04: http://pastebin.com/dEbNzapa
[04:49] <saa1959> At end of pastebin, I am unable to `make` the source code as documented in the original forum post.
[04:50] <jcook_5xdata> sexcopter, /etc/samba/smb.conf.ucf-dist
[04:50] <jcook_5xdata> sexcopter, cp /etc/samba/smb.conf.ucf-dist /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:51] <sexcopter> jcook_5xdata, my /etc/samba/ directory doesn't exist (and reinstalling it doesn't seem to replace it)
[04:51] <jcook_5xdata> sexcopter, did you do apt-get install -reinstall samba?
[04:51] <sexcopter> jcook_5xdata, oh, but wait, that file will exist in my /etc/samba.backup/ folder, that should do the trick
[04:52] <jcook_5xdata> sorry there two dashes
[04:52] <sexcopter> jcook_5xdata, i did apt-get remove --purge samba, then apt-get install samba. should i try your suggested command?
[04:52] <jcook_5xdata> sexcopter, give it a shot
[04:55] <sexcopter> jcook_5xdata, weird... still no /etc/samba directory. I'll make it and copy over the default file you indicated. thanks.
[04:56] <jadoe> is it possible to install gnome3 alongside gnome2?
[04:57] <ActionParsnip> jadoe: the PPA wil upgrade 2 to 3, so I'd say no
[04:58] <sin_tax> heya ActionParsnip, that issue with the super hotkeys for Unity not working is back... seems real random.. If I hold down super, I get helper text for s,a,f and t (switcher, apps, files, and trash) but nothing else (should be 1-7 for other stuff)
[04:59] <sin_tax> Ugh, and now it's working again... this is crazy
[05:00] <PalinBachman2012> jadoe: you can use jhbuild
[05:00] <Shaba1> hello ActionParsnip would you mind putting that url in again
[05:00] <Shaba1> I am back on mirc and windows now.
[05:00] <jcook_5xdata> sexcopter, if that not there it is at /usr/share/samba/smb.conf
[05:00] <sin_tax> It's like Super 1/2/3 don't work for a few minutes after a reboot
[05:01] <jadoe> PalinBachman2012: k, thanks
[05:01] <PalinBachman2012> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[05:02] <PalinBachman2012> altho, this last build failed on me
[05:03] <jadoe> i'll give it a try, thx
[05:04] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: which url?
[05:04] <Shaba1> about irrsi
[05:04] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/setting-up-irssi/
[05:04] <saa1959> BCM4312 issues with Ubuntu 11.04: Am I doing this right?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10875408&postcount=227
[05:05] <Shaba1> irssi is all command line?
[05:05] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: it runs in a terminal....
[05:05] <Shaba1> uggh
[05:05] <Shaba1> not that I am adverse to terminal modes( I started out in the old dos days)
[05:06]  * ActionParsnip shrugs
[05:06] <Shaba1> but I am trying to move into the 21st century
[05:06] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: irssi is a lot more scriptable than many of the other clients
[05:06] <igsen> How to make debian as the default OS in grub2?
[05:06] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: just like irssi is
[05:06] <Shaba1> I am going to have to go back to it now that I use linux though.
[05:06] <Shaba1> which is not a bad thing
[05:06] <sin_tax> Is there a place to rebind the middle click on the Unity launcher (open new instance) so that I can also use ctrl/alt click to do that (for when I am not using a mouse with a wheel)?
[05:07] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: an app running in a terminal doesnt make it old in anyway at all
[05:10] <Shaba1> I know ActionParsnip
[05:10] <Shaba1> Like I said I come to computing from the mid 70's
[05:11] <Shaba1> I remember when all we had was green phosphor screens and thermal paper
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: nice :D
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> Shaba1: there are other clients, could give those a go
[05:16] <nishanth> i need help setting my time....it goes back to some other time every time i shut down
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> nishanth: try using NTP
[05:17] <nishanth> ActionParsnip : wat is NTP?
[05:17] <psycho_oreos> network time protocol
[05:17] <rww> try fixing your CMOS battery :|
[05:17] <kate1> HELP:  wget --post-data doesn't work fine with asp.net ?
[05:18] <kate1> can anyone help me..?
[05:19] <mknarr> kate1, explain what you are trying to do and that will give ppl a better idea and possibly more help
[05:19] <mknarr> i personally dont know asp.net srry
[05:20] <kate1> i want to load a asp page with some post parameter but it doesnt work fine. but it work fine with .php pages..
[05:21] <kate1>    wget --post-data "rollno=14232&B1=Submit" http://cusatresults.nic.in/cusatresult11.asp
[05:22] <kate1> it doesnt load the desired data. it loads only header
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> nishanth: network time protocol
[05:22] <kate1> mknarr: do hav any idea about it..?
[05:22] <ActionParsnip> nishanth: the system can be told to grab the time from the web when it fires up
[05:22] <nishanth> ActionParsnip : how can i do that?
[05:22] <kate1>  do you hav any idea about it..?
[05:22] <mknarr> kate1, srry i dont :( i wish i could help
[05:23] <ActionParsnip> nishanth: there are guides online, you'll find them
[05:23] <kate1> ok its ok
[05:23] <nishanth> ActionParsnip any links if you can send them plz
[05:24] <ActionParsnip> nishanth: www.google.com
[05:24] <nishanth> ActionParsnip : Well duh.....
[05:24] <CarlFK> how do I stop this: [ 1014.011531] udev[1634]: renamed network interface eth1 to eth1-eth2
[05:25] <ActionParsnip> nishanth: try websearching using the direction given....
[05:26] <zaery> I have an Ububntu system, and I regrettably need to install windows, as a dual-boot. That would be as simple as making space for windows, installing it, then doing "sudo update-grub", right?
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> CarlFK: may help: http://debianclusters.org/index.php/Udev:_Renaming_Network_Interfaces
[05:28] <ActionParsnip> zaery: boot to live ubuntu CD, resize the ubuntu partition to make space and install Windows to the space. You will need to reboot to ubuntu CD after installing Windows as the Windows bootloader wil overwrite the MBR
[05:28] <CarlFK> ActionParsnip: yep.  thanks
[05:28] <mknarr> how do i figureout what my registered ubuntu irc password is i forgot it ?
[05:29] <ActionParsnip> mknarr: ask in #freenode for password resets
[05:29] <CarlFK> mknarr: /j #freenode and ask for a reset token
[05:29] <mknarr> thx
[05:29] <zaery> ActionParsnip, and sudo update-grub run on the live cd will fix grub on the hard drive, right?
[05:30] <xiaoyu> badguy
[05:30] <ActionParsnip> zaery: you will need to chroot to the ubuntu OS and reinstall grub2, there are guides around on how to reinstate grub2 :)
[05:31] <zaery> ActionParsnip: Then I have nothing to worry about, thanks :)
[05:31] <ActionParsnip> zaery: as long as your backups are decent, sure ;)
[05:33] <zaery> ActionParsnip: my backups would be decent if this computer had any important info on it :P
[05:35] <saa1959> Is anyone familiar with compiling source code and potential causes for errors in compilation?    or from `make`?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10875408&postcount=227
[05:35] <mknarr> help set password
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> zaery: then you have no worry :)
[05:37] <ActionParsnip> mknarr: if its your freenode password then ask in #freenode
[05:38] <mknarr> no it was for this channel only if im not mystaken
[05:39] <hiexpo> mknarr, it is freenode
[05:39] <mknarr> o
[05:39] <mknarr> well then i guess i have to change the time in my irc client to wait longer to check for registration
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> mknarr: this channel is part of freenode, the password to identify with is managed in #freenode
[05:40] <mknarr> oo ok thx ActionParsnip
[05:42] <mknarr> brb
[05:42] <icecream> i have a fresh install of 11.04 on an EEE 1005PE, it works except whenever i enter a wifi password, the keyring dialog pops up and then the computer freezes, any ideas?
[05:42] <Vonhinten> saa1959, are you able to understand c/c++?
[05:43] <Vonhinten> saa1959, if so, the section in green in this page may help resolve that error:  http://madwifi-project.org/changeset/4109
[05:45] <Misterangry> is it possible to automatically start tpb with upstart?
[05:48] <rodd> Hi, I edited /etc/pam.d/gdm to get rid of the keyring dialog on empathy messenger and now I cant boot
[05:48] <rodd> i need to edit that file again but dont know how to boot in console mode
[05:48] <rodd> is there a key for that? like f5
[05:48] <rodd> or, can i edit from the live cd mode (which is where im at now)?
[05:49] <PalinBachman2012> isn't that what recovery mode is for?
[05:49] <rodd> and how do i get into recovery mode
[05:49] <PalinBachman2012> you should have a listing for recovery in grub
[05:50] <rodd> all i have is ubuntun installed in this machine
[05:50] <rodd> it boots straight into ubuntu
[05:50] <PalinBachman2012> you dont have grub screen?
[05:50] <rodd> no
[05:50] <Misterangry> I have tpb.conf in /etc/init with contents http://pastebin.com/nHYqCVnV but "sudo start tpb" produces "start: Job failed to start"
[05:50] <reliableNerd> icecream,  have you disabled keyring?  Maybe theres some update available that may fix keyring
[05:51] <rodd> is there anyway that i can edit that file from the live cd mode? all i get is read only
[05:51] <PalinBachman2012> it doesnt mount when you click on the drive in Nautilus?
[05:52] <PalinBachman2012> or its read only
[05:52] <PalinBachman2012> i know you can edit that file from a live cd, rodd, i just cant remember how
[05:52] <rodd> oh
[05:52] <rodd> ill look around
[05:53] <rodd> today hasnt been a good day
[05:53] <rodd> been having trouble with computer all day long
[05:55] <rodd> found something, gonna give it a try
[05:56] <PalinBachman2012> If the menu is not normally displayed during boot, hold down the SHIFT key as the computer attempts to boot to display the GRUB 2 menu. For Grub Legacy, use ESC key to display a menu.
[05:56] <PalinBachman2012> and then you can go into recover, and dont have to manually mount your root folder, which sometimes can be a pain
[05:58] <rodd> cant find my /dev/hda
[05:58] <rodd> how do i find it? its mounted as /media
[05:58] <rodd> i dont see any hd* in /dev
[05:59] <barlrol> new room mate moved in. I now live with 2 chicks over 50....depressing
[05:59] <Yeh> dumb newb question, trying to use foremost on a memory card. All the examples say "foremost dev/sda1 or sdb or whatever"; how do I determine what sdX is my memory card?
[06:00] <barlrol> you using loonix?
[06:00] <Yeh> ubuntu 1010
[06:00] <pishguy> hi all, how to cange ubuntu gdm theme(login theme)
[06:00] <Misterangry> aaanyone?
[06:00] <CarlFK> this seems to have hung on a natty box (so none of the modules even exist): modprobe -r ohci1394 sbp2 dv1394 raw1394 video1394 eth1394
[06:01] <pishguy> schmidtm: ping
[06:01] <bash> I want to learn C progamming language but my area i can't find tutors
[06:01] <pishguy> hi all, how to change ubuntu gdm theme(change default login theme)
[06:01] <bash> Can I LEARN BY MYSELF ?
[06:01] <CarlFK> hmm... pkill modprobe = pkill: 2913 - Operation not permitted  - so yeah, it is stuck.
[06:02] <onaip> Hello people
[06:02] <onaip> I'm new to Ubuntu
[06:02] <Yeh> isn't there a terminal command to list all my sda volumes, then I can just plug in the memory card, see which one is new?
[06:02] <nit-wit> Yeh, sudo fdisk -l
[06:02] <Yeh> aha, thank you
[06:03] <onaip> I installed Ubuntu on my laptop which had Win XP
[06:03] <nit-wit> Yeh, no problem.
[06:03] <onaip> It is working great.. .   but Windows is no longer booring
[06:03] <CarlFK> Yeh: also, plug in card, run dmesg - the driver will likely log the device and some usefull info
[06:03] <onaip> booting
[06:03] <onaip> please help
[06:04] <ransom2me> can somebody help about virtualhost
[06:04] <ransom2me> using apache2
[06:04] <onaip> Could someone help me with booting problem ? /
[06:04] <ransom2me> my second virtual host not function
[06:05] <nit-wit> onaip, run this script and pastebin all the text. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[06:07] <delinquentme_> Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic).   << attempting to SHH into a service right now .. and not sure whats breaking w this
[06:08] <pishguy> how to change ubuntu gdm theme(change default login theme)
[06:08] <onaip> ok  I just downloaded
[06:08] <onaip> boot info script
[06:10] <stjohnmedrano> good day everyone
[06:11] <jmspeex> hiexpo: So 2.6.38 worked, but I'd still like to be able to compile my own kernel. Seems like the problem is that I don't have an initrd
[06:11] <thomas_89> new to ubuntu. what's cool?
[06:11] <bobobobob> is there a nice testing framework that utilizes JSON for object mockups?
[06:11] <jmspeex> I built my kernel using:
[06:11] <jmspeex> make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-i7 kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image
[06:12] <jmspeex> and I just can't find the initrd anywhere
[06:13] <onaip> What should i do after downloading the boot_info_script
[06:13] <onaip>  ??
[06:14] <onaip> Hello anyone ???
[06:14] <A_J> !ask | onaip
[06:14] <mknarr> identify smokey
[06:15] <A_J> mknarr, FAIL
[06:15] <mknarr> fuck IRC is annoying as hell
[06:15] <MK``> lol
[06:15] <mknarr> o srry i appolgise
[06:15] <mknarr> language
[06:15] <MK``> never identify in a channel window :P
[06:15] <A_J> yes^
[06:16] <mknarr> rofl i was in a private room and did that
[06:16] <mknarr> i wasnt expecting it to post here
[06:17] <curiousx> Hi all, onaip: uncompress de zip, and run the script with ---> sudo sh /path/name_script.sh thats will generate a RESULT.txt, some like that i did read in the web where you download it
[06:17] <Flannel> mknarr: it happens.  Change your password and move on :)
[06:17] <onaip> I am new to Ubuntu. .  Install it to dual boot with Win XP. .  Unbuntu is working really good but When i try to choose Windows it keeps coming back to list where u choose which OS to boot from
[06:18] <A_J> ActionParsnip,  around ?
[06:19] <onaip> sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script.sh
[06:19] <onaip> is this the correct ??
[06:19] <curiousx> onaip: so the trouble is windos dont boot ?
[06:19] <onaip> yup
[06:20] <onaip> sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script.sh
[06:21] <onaip> sudo sh ~/Desktop/boot_info_script.sh
[06:21] <onaip> which one? ?
[06:21] <curiousx> mmm... i am new ass well but i dont know if someone should help you, becouse this is the Ubuntu channel
[06:21] <onaip> I am so noob. . .
[06:22] <nit-wit> onaip, put the download on the desktop and copy paste this to the terminal.  sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script.sh
[06:22] <curiousx> someones knows if onaip could be helped about his problem on this channel ?
[06:22] <onaip> ok . .  doing it now
[06:23] <curiousx> or should be helped in offtopic ?
[06:23] <nit-wit> curiousx, we see them and are helping we just need the script run.;0
[06:23] <Red_> Hello people. can someone tell me how to join multiple channels of a server on Xchat-gnome client
[06:23] <curiousx> ok
[06:23] <nit-wit> ;)
[06:23] <curiousx> escuseme i dont know the rules =P
[06:23] <A_J> onaip,  try repair ?
[06:24] <princej88> whats up guys
[06:24] <IdleOne> Red_: right click on the channel tab and Add to favorites
[06:24] <nit-wit> curiousx, what they are doing is done on this channel.
[06:24] <curiousx> excuse me =P
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows why volumes are visible on desktop after changing it in gconf-editor?
[06:25] <Red_> IdleOne: my channels tab is not clickable.. it was clickable a while ago though
[06:25] <delinquentme_> public keys go to the client connecting right?
[06:25] <delinquentme_> or can it go either way?
[06:26] <IdleOne> Red_: you can also add autojoin channels by going to the Network list, selecting the network and click Edit
[06:26] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, gconf has a box to click to show or not show home and mounted partitons and usb's etc.
[06:27] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, boxes rather.
[06:27] <onaip> thanks for helping out... .
[06:27] <onaip> I just ran the script
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: yes i changed it in gconf, removed the highlight..
[06:27] <nit-wit> onaip, cool I put a pastebin in the private post the script on the channel.
[06:28] <A_J> nit-wit, hey i'm getting slow transfer speeds to removable devices, any Idea Whats wrong ?
[06:28] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, the stuff still showing that is the problem?
[06:28] <kitten1234> does anyone have a problem like me
[06:28] <onaip> what should i do after pasting
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: yes doesnt hide after change
[06:29] <kitten1234> my ubuntu does not shut down
[06:29] <A_J> onaip, paste it on pastebin and paste link here
[06:29] <nit-wit> onaip, save it then paste the hhtp addrss on th channel
[06:29] <onaip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614434/
[06:29] <xiambax> Did you know if you try to download silverlight via the microsoft page on a linux computer it redirects you to the opensource implimentation moonlight?
[06:29] <kitten1234> it always hangs at the screen with bunches of text
[06:29] <A_J> nit-wit, my question
[06:29] <alexey> hi all! any knows? Is there any "studio" to make own distr like SUSE studio?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: did you try open a terminal and type sudo halt?
[06:30] <kitten1234> 'call stacktrace .....'
[06:30] <alexey> I mean ubuntu
[06:30] <A_J> nit-wit, hey i'm getting slow transfer speeds to removable devices, any Idea Whats wrong ?
[06:30] <kitten1234> lotuspsychje :  no
[06:30] <IdleOne> !remaster | alexey
[06:31] <nit-wit> onaip, do you have a natty live cd or a usb/thumb drive to boot a live desktop.
[06:31] <nit-wit> A_J, Not really an area I would be helpful, if I knew I would answer.;)
[06:31] <onaip> I'm current on the laptop which I installed Ubuntu 11.04
[06:31] <kitten1234> i just clicked shutdown on the menu list
[06:31] <A_J> okie nit-wit  ty anyway
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: can you remember some of the error text?
[06:32] <kitten1234> yes
[06:32] <kitten1234> it said 'call stacktrace   ..... '
[06:32] <kitten1234> and 'end stacktrace'
[06:33] <delinquentme_> i get a key file from amazon web services ...  i then invoke it when SSHing into AWS ... what would lead me to get     Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic).      with the exact file amazon gave me to secure my connections?
[06:33] <kitten1234> then it freezed
[06:33] <A_J>  hey i'm getting slow transfer speeds to removable devices, any Idea Whats wrong ?
[06:34] <gizmo_> 3b5f1282@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.95.18.130
[06:34] <nit-wit> onaip, the script has the MS boot in the master boot record, if your getting to a Ubuntu desktop is it using a cd, and is it a live dsktop, not a install. You said your XP wont boot but per the script that is all that should boot.
[06:34] <aHardyX> Hi. I have a Wifi connection on my desktop and another computer is connected to the desktop thru eth0. But when both Pcs are switched on I am not able to browse the internet. How do I bridge the wifi connection and eth0? Please help me :)
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: are you on lucid or natty?
[06:35] <onaip> I downloaded Ubuntu 11.04 image from the ubuntu website... and then burnt onto a blank DISC
[06:36] <A_J> can som1 explain me where this option is "The problem is that the default USB mount option in Feisty is set to "synchrous". [...]" lotuspsychje  ?
[06:36] <kitten1234> i'm on natty
[06:36] <onaip> And then installed
[06:36] <onaip> using the DISC
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: you have an ati graphics card?
[06:37] <roger21> hi, hwo do i get a verbose boot instead of graphical ?
[06:37] <onaip> Im using the built in messaging app right now logged into my Ubuntu..
[06:37] <nit-wit> onaip, I missed this at first you have grub loaded to the sda1 ms partition, not completely but, that is getting you into ubuntu but will block the XP boot.
[06:37] <Majere_Draven> Whats the latest ubuntu version?
[06:38] <onaip> what does that mean ? ?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> !natty
[06:38] <onaip> can u explain with more details??
[06:38] <curiousx> onaip: run this ---> os-prober
[06:38] <kitten1234> yes
[06:38] <nit-wit> onaip, do you have a XP cd?
[06:38] <Majere_Draven> any good?
[06:39] <A_J> lotuspsychje, can u have a look at my question ?
[06:39] <onaip> yup
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: it might be related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/521387
[06:39] <pishguy> how to change ubuntu gdm theme(change default login theme)
[06:39] <kitten1234> i have ATI radeon 3470
[06:39] <onaip> what should i do with the XP CD
[06:39] <nit-wit> curiousx, please look at the script it does not have the grub in the mbr and there s grub in the sda1 NTFS partition.
[06:39] <Majere_Draven> Is it any good?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> A_J: no feisty support here
[06:40] <nit-wit> onaip, do you have one you need to repair the sda1 by getting grub out of it.
[06:40] <ShermanBoyd> could someone please tell me the kernel option to boot ubuntu into rescue mode?
[06:40] <A_J> lotuspsychje, is feisty a component of ubuntu like natilus or extra package ?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> !feisty
[06:41] <onaip> Can u teach me how to do it ? ?
[06:41] <A_J> damn
[06:41] <onaip> I've got the XP cd
[06:41] <curiousx> ok =P i didnt see the RESULT.txt
[06:41] <Red_> IdleOne: mate bothe things didnt work.. @1. couldn't find add to favourites.. @2. auto-joined but its not working.
[06:41] <nit-wit> onaip, do you have a xp install disc?
[06:41] <kitten1234> thank you  lotuspsychje
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> A_J: you should try natty
[06:41] <A_J> lotuspsychje, i'm on nattu
[06:41] <A_J> natty*
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[06:41] <kitten1234> but it seems not help me that much
[06:42] <A_J> lotuspsychje, was reffering to this thread : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432119
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: are you on latest ati drivers?
[06:42] <kitten1234> because i'm on ubuntu 11.04 now
[06:42] <Red_> someone tell me how to join multiple channels. i am on Xchat-gnome
[06:42] <Majere_Draven> Whats Natty Like?
[06:42] <curiousx> you right nit-wit, so shud he install de grub on /dev/sda ?
[06:42] <kitten1234> i think i'm on the latest drivers
[06:43] <A_J> Majere_Draven,  it's good, very good
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> A_J: you sure its an usb 2.0?
[06:43] <Majere_Draven> red, type /join and a room.
[06:43] <nit-wit> curiousx, `they have to get rid of the grub2 in the pbr of sda1
[06:43] <A_J> yes lotuspsychje
[06:43] <gul> How to burn .sparseimage?
[06:43] <Majere_Draven> xchat should do it automatically
[06:43] <nit-wit> curiousx, first befor grub will work.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: are you running compiz?
[06:43] <onaip> Please teach me how to do it
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> A_J: did you try formatting the usb stick with lets say gparted
[06:44] <nit-wit> onaip, I can help you with this are we having a communication problem, feel free to let me know what is confusing.
[06:45] <A_J> tried that lotuspsychje, all drives are slow, actually the speed keeps fluctuating and often stalling
  yes
[06:45] <loke> Hello all. In pre-11.04 Ubuntu, I set up a PPTP VPN connection using the network settings panel. Everything worked (I was connecting to the VPN using the panel-control where I simply selected the network). I later upgraded to 11.04, and now there is no longer any network-panel-control-thingy I can use to connect to the VPN. However, when I check the network settings, my VPN configuration is still there, but the configuration panel gives me no
[06:45] <loke>  way of actually connecting. And yes, this is using Unity.
[06:45] <kitten1234> it's one of the package installed in my laptop
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: did you go look in additional drivers in preferences
[06:45] <loke> (if there is a way of getting rid of Unity and get back to the old GNOME, that'd be a good answer too :-) )
[06:46] <onaip> I dun know what to do now
[06:46] <Red_> \join drupal-support
[06:46] <onaip> can u teach me and go through how I need to fix this problem
  could you tell how to get there
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> loke: logout and switch to classic
[06:47] <gul> How to burn .sparseimage?
[06:47]  * Majere_Draven blinks at red. How the ...
[06:47] <kitten1234> (i'm so new)
[06:47] <Majere_Draven> wrong slash red.
[06:47] <Majere_Draven> the other one.
[06:47] <pishguy> how to change ubuntu gdm theme(change default login theme)
[06:47] <loke> lotuspsychje: that gives me a black screen. I probably screwed something up. :-(
[06:47] <nit-wit> onaip, so does this mean you have no disc that is a install disc for XP that would be used to repair the XP?
[06:47] <A_J> red just copy paste this /j #drupal-Support
[06:47] <Red_> yaa but what to do.. cant figure out how to join multiple channels
[06:48] <onaip> I have the Windows XP installation DISC
[06:48] <loke> lotuspsychje: but do you know how to connect to a configured VPN? There should be a tty command that allows me to do it, yes?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: open up unity start button and type: jockey
[06:48] <onaip> Is it a different cd to what you are referring to ? ?
[06:48] <ShermanBoyd> rescue=true
[06:49] <Majere_Draven> I have windows 7.. Can i dual boot?
[06:49] <A_J> yes, Majere_Draven  or use it inside windows 7 too
[06:49] <curiousx> yes you can
[06:49] <nit-wit> onaip, boot it using this link as a refernce to getting to the command line to run two commands. http://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/fix-mbr-xp-vista/   The question here is do you only have one computer the one your trying t fix.
[06:49] <Majere_Draven> I can use it inside win 7?
[06:49] <A_J> lotuspsychje, what should i do ?
[06:50] <A_J> yes Majere_Draven
  then
[06:50] <onaip> I have anther machine
[06:50] <kitten1234> what's next
[06:50] <gul> How to burn Mac .sparseimage in Linux? Anybody?
[06:50] <Majere_Draven> Awesome...
[06:50] <nit-wit> onaip, I will give you the commands to run at the XP command line when you eready and understand.
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> A_J: im not sure sorry
[06:50] <Majere_Draven> I love you gais
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: do you see any reccomended drivers in the list?
[06:50] <A_J> :\ ok lotuspsychje
[06:50] <curiousx> you can use it inside the win but is not the same than a clean instalation
[06:50] <kitten1234> yes
[06:50] <kitten1234> i see one
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: try installing them
[06:51] <kitten1234> its name is 'Additional Driver'
[06:51] <nit-wit> onaip cool you know how to boot the xp disc and get to the command line?
[06:51] <curiousx> you will be in troubles with de cd/dvd recorder for example, but if you gonna try it go ahead =)
[06:51] <kitten1234> it's already been installed
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: for ati cards?
[06:51] <A_J> !offtopic | A_J
[06:51] <kitten1234> yes
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:51] <onaip> do you know why this happened ??
[06:52] <onaip> I did follow all the instructions step by step
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: and its set to enabled?
[06:52] <Majere_Draven> I think computers you order offline should give you the choice between win, and ubuntu, or both
[06:53] <kitten1234> yes
[06:54] <kitten1234> it has the green light
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: did you update to natty, or was it clean install
[06:54] <A_J> Majere_Draven,  your suppose to do it yourself
[06:54] <Majere_Draven> Do what my self?
[06:54] <kitten1234> i updated
[06:54] <A_J> install it Majere_Draven
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: you might wanna reconsider clean install
[06:54] <kitten1234> not a clean installation
[06:54] <kitten1234> oh hhhh
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234= sometimes things run smoother after clean installs
[06:55] <nit-wit> onaip, when you respond type a few letters of my nic then hit the tab to complete I'm notified that you answered that way.  It looks like you tried to reload the grub bootloader and put it in sda1 hard to say you were there I was'nt. ;)
[06:55] <Logan_> lotuspsychje: correction - "always" ;)
[06:55] <saa1959> It is possible to switch from Unity back to Gnome desktop using Ubuntu 11.04, right?
[06:55] <Logan_> !classic | saal959
[06:55] <kitten1234> is it the only way i can do to fix the problem <lotuspsychje>
[06:55] <pishguy> how to change ubuntu gdm theme(change default login theme)
[06:56] <pishguy> how to change ubuntu gdm theme(change default login theme)
[06:56] <saa1959> ah, thanks
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: not sure howto fix
[06:56] <kitten1234> umm
[06:56] <nit-wit> onaip, did you see the link on getting to the command line on the booted XP disc?
[06:56] <A_J> lotuspsychje,  do you know anyone here who will be able to help me ?
[06:57] <kitten1234> anyway, i really appreciate your helps <lotuspsychje>
[06:57] <kitten1234> thank you so much
[06:57] <nit-wit> brb
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> kitten1234: np
[06:57] <kitten1234> :-)
[06:57] <onaip> nit-wit: thanks . .
[06:58] <onaip> nit-wit: I'm using Win 7 on my other machine.. .  How do i access this chat ? ?
[06:58] <Majere_Draven> In win 7 or in Ubuntu Onaip?
[06:58] <onaip> in Win
[06:58] <onaip> 7
[06:59] <Syria> Hello, After updating to Natty I am facing a problrm with skype. the small tray icon on the bar it doesn't appear any more!
[06:59] <onaip> dun tell me I have to install another messaging program. ..
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> A_J: is the usb in FAT?
[06:59] <A_J> no lotuspsychje NTFS
[07:00] <curiousx> onaip: if you dont want to install a IRC client for Win you can use this http://webchat.freenode.net/
[07:00] <Majere_Draven> ... Onaip-  Are you accessing this chat in ubuntu,, or in win 7?
[07:00] <onaip> Currently from Ubuntu
[07:00] <gul> Syria: skype is ovr.........go for empathy
[07:00] <Majere_Draven> you can do it anyway you like, You can get Mirc- Xchat- Turbo chat- Leafchat is really pretty
[07:01] <curiousx> in this field "Channels:" write "#ubuntu" whit out quotes
[07:01] <gul> How to burn Mac .sparseimage in Linux? Anybody?
[07:01] <curiousx> with out =P
[07:01] <Syria> gul:  I use skype to communicate with work mates and i can't force them to use empathy
[07:02] <gul> Syria: prob is that skype is under windows now..........and its development for Linux is u know..........almost ceased........so you have to shift...no other choice
[07:02] <Syria> Come on.
[07:02] <nit-wit> onaip, you can get a free 30mday use of xchat. I think this is a free 30 day version.   http://xchat.org/download/
[07:02] <gul> Syria: what?
[07:02] <Majere_Draven> Gul,
[07:02] <gul> yup!
[07:02] <Syria> That's not true.
[07:03] <gul> Majere_Draven: yes!
[07:03] <gul> Majere_Draven: what?
[07:03] <Syria> Its just a problem that I am facing after updating to natty.
[07:03] <Majere_Draven> I think you can get a regulat Daemon tool, and convert it to ISO
[07:03] <gul> Syria: its true
[07:03] <gul> Syria: that is OK.......... i am just telling abt the present..............ur problem may be some other but this is what going to happen
[07:03] <gul> Majere_Draven: deamon tool for ubuntu?
[07:04] <Majere_Draven> YEah...
[07:04] <Majere_Draven> Theres plenty
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> kiso
[07:04] <Majere_Draven> Should be plenty
[07:04] <Syria> :(
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> does the same as deamon tools
[07:06] <ActionParsnip> acetoneiso may help too (if memory serves, I am very tired)
[07:06] <sklorpion> when i runk conky it takes about 2-3 min to appear, any idea why?
[07:07] <sklorpion> *run
[07:07] <ActionParsnip> sklorpion: run it in a terminal, the output may give clues
[07:07] <sklorpion> ActionParsnip: i do this by terminal, and no clues
[07:07] <jeeves_moss> has anyone here been able to get FreeDB working?
[07:08] <sklorpion> ActionParsnip: i thought something was wrong but it finally apears after those 2-3 min
[07:08] <selvakumaran> Pls anyone help me to install AptanaStudio3...???
[07:08] <ActionParsnip> sklorpion: type:  conky    and hit enter
[07:09] <gul> ActionParnsnip: wow how can I forget acetoniso..? thanks
[07:09] <A_J>  wb ActionParsnip
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> !security
[07:09] <delinquentme_> how do i run a search from the command line for a file "cb_hadoop"
[07:09] <Majere_Draven> !dapper
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> A_J: only half back dude
[07:10] <Majere_Draven> I rememebr dapper because it had beryl
[07:10] <sklorpion> ActionParsnip: i get your point, i do this and conky doesnt return me any warnings or errors i fixed already everything
[07:10] <selvakumaran> Pls anyone help me to install AptanaStudio3...???
[07:10] <ActionParsnip> delinquentme_: sudo find / -iname "cb_hadoop"
[07:10] <onaip> nit-wit: I'm installing Pidgin on my other machine...
[07:10] <selvakumaran> Pls anyone help me to install AptanaStudio3...???
[07:10] <nit-wit> onaip, cool.
[07:10] <onaip> nit-wit:  will let you know when done. .
[07:10] <nit-wit> onaip, thanks.
[07:10] <james41855> How do I switch from Unity to Gnome again?  I am at Xorg user login manager and do not see where I can select which desktop environment to load.  I don't think this is GDM.
[07:11] <Majere_Draven> beryl was so cool, why did we get rid of it?
[07:11] <james41855> I see option for Universal Access Preferences
[07:11] <snuff> I am trying to install ubuntu on another computer. I said there was and unrecoverable problem and it is going to open a desktop session. What does that mean?
[07:11] <james41855> Ah, I see.  I must select a user first.
[07:12] <delinquentme_> should dpkg come preinstalled on a system?
[07:12] <ActionParsnip> Majere_Draven: its part of compiz fusion now
[07:13] <ActionParsnip> Majere_Draven: so it's not gone reallty
[07:13] <ActionParsnip> delinquentme_: yes
[07:13] <A_J> ActionParsnip, i gt a problem, usb transfer speeds are spiking and often stalling and very slow
[07:13] <Some_Person> Is there a simple command I can use to create a file called ".nomedia" in every subdirectory of a directory?
[07:14] <geekosopher> how do I remove the files shown in the 'recent' section when I click the 'files and folders' icon on the launcher?
[07:14] <Majere_Draven> I'm installing now
[07:14] <ShermanBoyd> does a standard install generate a preseed file anywhere?  like kickstart does?
[07:14] <geekosopher> I mean I want to remove it from that section, not delete those files
[07:15] <ActionParsnip> Some_Person: http://linux.aldeby.org/ubuntu-natty-11-04-unity-clear-recent-documents.html
[07:16] <A_J> ActionParsnip, see my problem please :>
[07:17] <ActionParsnip> A_J: I don't know, or I would have replied wouldn't I...?
[07:17] <snuff> The Ubuntu installer has been showing an empty coloured and the mouse pointer is frozen, is there anything I can do to find out what is going on?
[07:17] <A_J> damn who should i ask ActionParsnip, no1 seems to knw
[07:17] <ActionParsnip> A_J: be patient, or try again in a couple of hours
[07:17] <A_J> okie ActionParsnip  any1 you think might know ?
[07:18] <Majere_Draven> Ubuntu is going to take intirely too long :(
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> snuff: press CTRL+ALT+F1   see if when you return with CTRL+ALT+F7 it makes it ok
[07:18] <ActionParsnip> A_J: just ask the channel, works for everyone else :)
[07:18] <A_J> okien dokie ActionParsnip
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> Majere_Draven: too long?
[07:19] <geekosopher> I tried to do 'clear history' from the 'go' menu of file manager, but it does not remove the files from the recent section of files and folder icon on launcher
[07:19] <ActionParsnip> geekosopher: does this help http://linux.aldeby.org/ubuntu-natty-11-04-unity-clear-recent-documents.html
[07:19] <nit-wit> onaip, you will need a Natty live cd or the ISO of one loaded to a usb/thumb, pendrive as well.
[07:20] <Majere_Draven> I thought it would take too long, but apprently... 7 hours turns into 6hrs in 2o minuts
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Majere_Draven: don't worry about that tme, it's usually pretty quick. Even on my old systems its swift
[07:21] <geekosopher> ActionParsnip: looking
[07:21] <Majere_Draven> My net tells me to Eff off if something takes longer than 4 hours.
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> natty installed in 10min here
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> Majere_Draven: surely you are installing using CD or USB, the web connection isn't used...
[07:22] <onaip1> nit-wit: do you mean the DISC which I used to install Ubuntu 11.04  ?/
[07:22] <Majere_Draven> I'm on sattelite internet
[07:22] <Majere_Draven> I'm installing using wubi..
[07:22] <nit-wit> onaip1, yeah.
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> Majere_Draven: did you run wubi from the Ubuntu ISO?
[07:22] <onaip1> nit-wit:  yup.. I've got that too
[07:23] <snuff> ActionParsnip: I haven't pressed ctrl/alt/f7 yet but a there is console now (that works) with lots of out of memory messages until it said it was going down (I did a ctrl-alt-del and few minutes before).
[07:23] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool we just want all the toos to get it done, it should be pretty staright forward if evrything is in good oreder.
[07:23] <snuff> *shutting down
[07:23] <nit-wit> *tools
[07:23] <fbdystang> Hi, i have a bunch of samba shares on an NTFS drive. It works great except I can't limit the access to it? I have tried a bunch of options in the smb.conf file to not avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
[07:24] <Majere_Draven> No.. I ran wubi from Ubuntu website
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> where can i disable gnome keyring asking password each boot?
[07:24] <morgan> I just tried to set a window to fixed width in compiz - shortly thereafter my ubuntu menus disappeared offscreen. Is there a .conf file I can remove my dodgy settings from?
[07:24] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, is it for thw wireless?
[07:24] <Majere_Draven> Its downloading Ubuntu for me noa
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: yes
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: if you run:  sudo smbpasswd -a usernamehere     you can have users login as the usernames you add
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: you can then add lines in smb.conf to define allowed and blocked users
[07:25] <aHardyX> Hi. I have a 3Com 3c905b-tx ethernet card. I am trying to install ubuntu from alternate CD. If I install the whole system it detects the card. But When I try to install only command line system, It says that I don't have any network interfaces. what should I do?
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: http://pastebin.com/TwjPaXVU
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: see how only leanne and andy are allowed acess ;)
[07:26] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, right click the icon the click on wireless then your account then edit and then the a all users and connect automatically.
[07:26] <fbdystang> ActionParsnip: Is there a way to do it without login as I need it only for guests? But would like to allow them to create files but not delete them?
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: its under security
[07:26] <A_J> ActionParsnip, can i update my USB drivers ?
[07:26] <onaip1> nit-wit:  OK  I'm ready now. .   Got the Win XP cd and Ubuntu cd
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: then guest will be the username, if everyone uses guest then you have zero control
[07:27] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you know how to get to the command line on the booted XP cd?
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: you can make OSes remember passwords you know ;)
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> A_J: you may use options on the usb modules, maybe there is an update to the BIOS too
[07:27] <james41855> How can I change the default scrollbar style?  On this laptop with Ubuntu, the scrollbars appear normal/what I'm used to.  On another laptop with Ubuntu 11.04 and now running Gnome again, the scrollbars are different and a scrollbar tool appears on hover, but otherwise disappears when cursor leaves.  I do not like this style of scrolling.  I want to change it.  I do not see option to change it within Appearance Preferences including when
[07:27] <james41855> selecting Customize... button.
[07:27] <onaip1> nit-wit: So u mean i should load my XP cd and boot using the cd and go into the repair thingy
[07:27] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ?
[07:28] <aHardyX> can someone please help me its urgent :)
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: seems i cant highlight 'enable for all users' on my wifi
[07:28] <snuff> The ubuntu installer shutdown the computer down after asking me to remove the cd. When I started up again it said there was no life file system and gave me initramfs. Should try the CD again?
[07:28] <Krishnandu> Hi, can anyone suggest me some screen recording application?? I tried those mentioned in Ubuntuguide, but none works fine...
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> aHardy: you have internet on full install? maybe text base install doesnt connect to find eth0 drivers?
[07:29] <evgeny> james41855: sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0
[07:29] <nit-wit> onaip1, yes boot the XP cd the repair there looks diffrent then W7 though, here is a link on getting to the terminal let me know when your there. http://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/fix-mbr-xp-vista/   I will give you a couple of commands then.
[07:29] <MaRk-I> Krishnandu: try kazam
[07:30] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Ok, thanks..!! Lemme try it..!!
[07:30] <james41855> evgeny, thanks
[07:31] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Hey, it says no package found when I try to install it using sudo apt-get install kazam
[07:31] <MaRk-I> Krishnandu: hhmm i doubt is in main repos it's fairly new but ppl say works pretty good
[07:32] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Ok, lemme google it then :)
[07:32] <fbdystang> I have a samba NTFS partition that I would like to give create/write access to everyone but disallow any deletion. How in the world would I go about this? Thanks :)
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> ok reboot time
[07:33] <MaRk-I> Krishnandu: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/kazam-0-1-available-the-screencasting-bar-on-linux-just-got-raised/
[07:34] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Ya got it, thanks :)
[07:34] <MaRk-I> yw
[07:34] <onaip1> nit-wit: I've rebooted now .. using the Win XP cd. .
[07:35] <nit-wit> onaip1, are you at the command line yet in the repair.
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: thanks mate it worked
[07:36] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, cool.;)
[07:36] <onaip1> nit-wit: I'm now in the Windows XP recovery Console....
[07:36] <nit-wit> onaip1, run this command first    fixboot
[07:36] <onaip1> nit-wit: IT is asking me which Windows installation i like to log into..
[07:37] <onaip1> nit-wit: should i press 1  and then Enter ?
[07:37] <nit-wit> onaip1,  then this one  you have a backup on sda6 not that one the sda1 the C
[07:37] <onaip1> nit-wit:  not sure what u mean
[07:38] <roger21> do you know how to re-install the original plymouth them and conf ?
[07:38] <roger21> theme
[07:38] <onaip1> nit-wit: It is asking me to which Windows installation i like to log into...
[07:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, what are the choices?
[07:39] <onaip1> nit-wit:  just 1:  C:\WINDOWS
[07:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, thats the one.
[07:40] <onaip1> nit-wit: it is now asking for administrator passwordd
[07:40] <R4zorWolf> uibuntu is DA DEAL!
[07:40] <nit-wit> might not need one at all might need your admin try noe first.
[07:40] <nit-wit> *none
[07:41] <onaip1> nit-wit: ok . . I just pressed enter with nothing typed in. . and now it shows   C:\WINDOWS
[07:42] <onaip1> nit-wit:  what should i do now  ?
[07:42] <nit-wit> onaip1, run these two commands in this order separately.   /fixboot       then /fixmbr
[07:42] <nit-wit> onaip1, then is an instruction.
[07:43] <onaip1> nit-wit:    but the link you gave me shows:   5. Now at the prompt, type in fixmbr. Your damaged MBR will  now be replaced with a new master boot record and your computer should now be  able to boot properly. Note that you may also want to run the  fixboot command to repair the boot sector with a new one. Also, make sure you only use these commands on a system with one operating  system installed. If you have more than one operating system instal
[07:43] <nit-wit> onaip1, I gave the link as a reference your problem is slightly different.
[07:43] <onaip1> nit-wit:  ok   ..cool . ..
[07:44] <onaip1> nit-wit:  do i need to type in the   backslash key ? ?
[07:44] <onaip1> nit-wit:  before typing fixboot ? ?
[07:45] <nit-wit> onaip1, yes first /fixboot     then    /fixmbr
[07:46] <onaip1> nit-wit:  when i typed  " \fixboot "  it said the command is not recognised
[07:46] <onaip1> nit-wit: so i just typed  " fixboot "   and now is asks me:    Are you sure you want to write a new bootsector to the partition C: ??
[07:47] <nit-wit> onaip1, /////////     /fixboot
[07:47] <nit-wit> onaip1, notice the slash
[07:48] <onaip1> nit-wit:  can u check the next comment i wrote ? ?
[07:48] <nit-wit> onaip1 ?
[07:48] <onaip1> nit-wit:  when i typed   \fixboot    it said the command is not recognised    so  i just typed   fixboot    and now is asks me:    Are you sure you want to write a new bootsector to the partition C: ??
[07:49] <nit-wit> onaip1, did you type this \fixboot   or this /fixboot notice the difference.
[07:49] <nit-wit> onaip1, \
[07:49] <onaip1> nit-wit:   oopss. .  sorry . .  u meant forward slash
[07:50] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ? ?
[07:50] <nit-wit> onaip1, so your saying that /fixboot    gives you a error
[07:51] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I tried both with forward slash and backslash.. they both get error. .  it said the command is not recognised.  Type HELP for a list ......etc
[07:51] <onaip1> nit-wit: if i just type   fixboot    and now is asks me:    Are you sure you want to write a new bootsector to the partition C: ??
[07:51] <snuff> I can't seem to get the latest ubuntu to work on my older computer. I showed out of memory errors at one stage. Is it possible an earlier version might work better?
[07:51] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should i press   y   for that ? ? /
[07:52] <nit-wit> onaip1, try /fixmbr
[07:52] <nit-wit> onaip1, if that works run /fixboot
[07:52] <Plymouth> hi
[07:53] <Plymouth> how do i change grub to boot to windows first by default?
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> snuff: you could try feisty
[07:53] <nit-wit> onaip1, so you see at your command exactly what that link shows correct?
[07:53] <nit-wit> *command line.
[07:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I typed     fixboot      and pressed yes to continue
[07:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  and now
[07:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  it says  :   The new bootsector was successfully written.
[07:54] <nit-wit> onaip1, I'm not following you.
[07:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should i now try   fixmbr
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> snuff: or try xubuntu
[07:54] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool now run /fixmbr
[07:55] <snuff> lotuspsychje: Which one would be easiest - have best chance?
[07:55] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I typed   fixmbr   ..  it is asking me :  Are you sure you want to write a new MBR ? ?
[07:55] <Plymouth> snuff: i heard you gobble dicks and you dont stop until your belly is full to the point of bursting with hot cum
[07:56] <nit-wit> onaip1, yes
[07:56] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok . .  now i get:      The new master boot record has been successfully written.
[07:56] <nit-wit> onaip1, reboot now it should boot straight to XP. If it does we will reload grub to get you dual booting.  IF you don't boot into XP run the bootscript again and post it, so we can see what has changed.
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> snuff: i would go on xubuntu
[07:57] <onaip1> nit-wit:  what is the command to reboot  ?
[07:58] <nit-wit> onaip1, not sure to be honest I'm a 99% open source user.
[07:58] <onaip1> nit-wit:  ok cool . . I just tried    exit   and it worked
[07:58] <nit-wit> onaip1, hold on I will find out.
[07:58] <onaip1> nit-wit:   Its now booting into my Windows .
[07:59] <snuff> lotuspsychje:thanks
[07:59] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool .
[07:59] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok  I'm now logged into my windows .
[08:00] <nit-wit> onaip1, make sure it boots all the way in then just reboot the live Natty cd and I will give you the commands to reload grub.
[08:01] <archtangent> hey hey hey
[08:01] <onaip1> nit-wit:  so u mean to load Ubuntu  cd  from my Windows? ?
[08:01] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ? ?
[08:01] <nit-wit> onaip1, just reboot the XP to the cd , not the cd in the XP.
[08:02] <archtangent> I am trying to run minecraft, does anyone know what packages I need to download to make it work?
[08:02] <nit-wit> onaip1, the natty live cd is what we will use to load grub2
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> i would sugest single boots ubuntu :p
[08:04] <MaRk-I> archtangent: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/05/video-how-to-install-minecraft-in.html
[08:04] <nit-wit> onaip1, turn off XP and boot the Natty cd
[08:04] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok .
[08:04] <tanath> this is upsetting. i just upgraded to 11.04 and do not have the option to use 'gnome classic'
[08:04] <tanath> how do i fix this?
[08:05] <Calinou> archtangent: java... also, i recommend to update the LWJGL which is in the minecraft's folder once you installed it, you will get fps increases, and bugfixes
[08:05] <tanath> what i read said there was an option at login screen
[08:05] <Calinou> /home/username/.minecraft this
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> tanath: first login to your username, then choose classic
[08:06] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i am logged in... where's the classic option then? didn't know it moved
[08:07] <onaip1> nit-wit:  ok .  now restarting my machine   and booting with Natty cd
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i mean at login screen, first type your username- then choose classic- then enter your password
[08:07] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i saw no such option... and i was looking for it
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> tanath: unity is now the default boot
[08:08] <tanath> lotuspsychje, unfortunately
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i think unity is cool
[08:08] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it removed a lot of features i use
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> such as?
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, like gnome applets. system monitor and disk mounter. i need to see my resource usage...
[08:09] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool I made a pastebin with the instructions let me know when hyou want it.
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it also coopted shortcuts i use for other things
[08:09] <lonejack> hi, mouse middle wheel-button, no longer (at least 4 months) works for copy&paste. any ideas?
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> tanath: yeah i didnt found yet system monitor either on unity
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it's basically made my computer more difficult and less efficient to use
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, also lost the ability to middle-click on scroll bar to jump to position
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> tanath: did you update or clean install?
[08:10] <tanath> lotuspsychje, update
[08:10] <sklorpion> queston - i want to get to know my gpu temp, so i use "aticonfig --odgt" [ yes i have ATI card ] and get this info:No layout section was found in the file: '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'Please run 'aticonfig --initial' first or modify your configurationfile manually and run aticonfig again.
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i clean installed mine, less problems
[08:10] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i waited a month instead
[08:10] <tanath> lotuspsychje, for some reason i expected most issues to be fixed by now
[08:11] <sklorpion> after this and trying to run aticonfig -initial i get Found fglrx primary device section
[08:11] <onaip1> nit-wit: ok   now I've booted with the Natty cd. .  and now asking me whether i should try or Install Ubuntu . ..
[08:11] <tanath> lotuspsychje, should be less work this way instead of remembering and installing apps all over again
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> tanath: you could try ubuntu-tweak for editing stuff
[08:11] <onaip1> nit-wit:    I dun need to install it again  right ?    coz I already installed it. .
[08:11] <nit-wit> onaip1, choose try.
[08:11] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i use it... though it removed it for upgrade
[08:12] <tanath> lotuspsychje, brb. gonna check for gnome classic one more time
[08:12] <onaip1> nit-wit:   Ok i'm in ...
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:13] <nit-wit> go to the menu-applications and open a terminal.
[08:13] <nit-wit> onaip1,  go to the menu-applications and open a terminal.
[08:13] <onaip1> nit-wit:   yup I'm in
[08:14] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you have the terminal open?
[08:14] <onaip1> nit-wit:   yup
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> tanath: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29757/what-can-replace-system-monitoring-in-the-top-gnome-panel-in-unity
[08:14]  * bloodxii dances
[08:14] <nit-wit> cool here are the two commands. http://paste.ubuntu.com/614458/
[08:14] <tanath> lotuspsychje, ok, i hadn't seen it before i chose my username and missed the change after. got it now, thanks
[08:14] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it really should be there before you choose
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> tanath: it makes sense you need seperate desktop choice for each user
[08:16] <tanath> lotuspsychje, thanks for link
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i also installed natty on gf laptop and unity really rox on it
[08:16] <tanath> lotuspsychje, not really. you need to choose which environment before logging in, so naturally you look for any available options _before_ login
[08:16] <onaip1> nit-wit:    from the command:  sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt       can i ask why it is  sda7 ? ?
[08:17] <nit-wit> onaip1, sda7 is the partition that natty is in.
[08:17] <tanath> lotuspsychje, not really. i know it has potential and will be an improvement long run, but it's a regression at this point and shouldn't be default yet
[08:17] <nit-wit> onaip1, notice the second command has no number at the end just sda.
[08:17] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok  cool  thanks . .
[08:17] <onaip1> nit-wit:  trying it now
[08:18] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and for some reason, the option is at the bottom and my mouse moves unbearably slow at login screen
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> tanath: there are many pro and contra i know...but i think in the touchscreen world thing getting improved
[08:19] <tanath> lotuspsychje, enh, touchscreen i suspect (hope?) is largely a fad
[08:19] <onaip1> nit-wit:   what does the  command :  sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt     stand for ? ?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> tanath: compiz still running fine?
[08:19] <onaip1> nit-wit:   just so I know what it means. .  .
[08:19] <tanath> lotuspsychje, that was another thing, i lost my compiz functions in unity
[08:19] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i need several compiz plugin functions
[08:20] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and actually no, the plugins aren't working in gnome now either
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> tanath: yeah desktop cube is disabled on mine
[08:20] <tanath> also negative
[08:20] <nit-wit> onaip1, I'm not a grub developer, nor would I be able to explain it here it is not that simple, it works these commands are from the grub2 wiki, I will link you to it so you can study it.
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i really sugest clean install
[08:20] <tanath> lotuspsychje, hell, everything seems disabled
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> tanath: lol
[08:20] <A_J> How do I network a ubuntu and windows PC ?
[08:20] <Syria> Hi, i am trying to install nvidia drivers but I am getting a message telling me that I have to disable the x server first, so how can i do that please?
[08:20] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i don't. this way saved me more time/effort
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> A_J: samba
[08:21] <A_J> okie ty lotuspsychje. but it says it's for p2p
[08:21] <tanath> lotuspsychje, upgrade largely worked well
[08:21] <A_J> setting up samba peer-to-peer with Windows
[08:21] <onaip1> nit-wit:   I can see that the 2nd command is tell u to install grub on  sda partition
[08:21] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ? ?
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> tanath: same here, but still clean install fixed a lot for me
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, like what? any issues i have?
[08:22] <nit-wit> onaip1, you're correct and sda is actually not a partition but the first 512 mb of the hard drive it is the master boot area.
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, wow, they really messed up compiz. even removed the default keybindings for enhanced zoom
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> tanath: unity was bit buggy for me after update
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, not for me
[08:22] <bloodxii> I have a question
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, prolly depends on card
[08:23] <bloodxii> I have my laptop + my desktop connected
[08:23] <bloodxii> via cat6 lan cable
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> tanath: it was more after trying different compiz layouts
[08:23] <nit-wit> onaip1, here is one of a lot of wiki's on grub2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Upgrading
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> tanath: lie wobbly windows and such
[08:23] <onaip1> nit-wit: why do i have to update-grub afterwards?
[08:23] <bloodxii> and they won't connect to eachother and 1 is running ubuntu 11.4 the other is 10.10
[08:23] <Syria> I have installed Gnome3 on my natty 11.4 following these instructions but after restarting i can
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> tanath: not sure why desktop cube and unity cant run togheter
[08:24] <nit-wit> onaip1, the commands you ran are from the section 13 reload from a live cd.
[08:24] <A_J> lotuspsychje,  what do i put here : netbios name = YOUR_HOSTNAME i'm using a lancable to join two pc's
[08:24] <Syria> I have installed Gnome3 on my natty 11.4 following these instructions but after restarting i cant chose gnome3 i can't find it! http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gnome3-on-ubuntu-11-04-nattyubuntu-10-10-maverick.html
[08:24] <nit-wit> onaip1, only update grub from the installed natty not the live cd.
[08:24] <emx> i'm not yet convinced that ubuntu is a distribution for me. e.g. when i want to use pdo in php i have to add pdo manually to the extensions in php.ini. what i ask myself is that if php is updated - will the php.ini of the latest version be used without my changes or does it remain the old one?
[08:24] <tanath> lotuspsychje, this is frustrating. good thing i've been through this before and know the mouse shortcuts and crap. used to be able to click reset and it would set the shortcuts
[08:24] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I now tried rebooting and the Natty cd ejected automatically
[08:25] <jaydez> hey, I want to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. My internet has been intermitent and sometimes slow.. so I'm wondering if my computer will crash if my internet stops in the middle of the installation
[08:25] <tanath> lotuspsychje, how would a noob guess that scroll wheel up & down are eg., button 4 & 5?
[08:25] <jaydez> Does ubuntu download and upgrade at the same time?
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i think we have to get used to untiy now :p
[08:25] <jaydez> or does it just download it, then upgrade?
[08:25] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I continued to reboot without the NAtty cd
[08:25] <tanath> lotuspsychje, no, we don't. if they don't get this right people will switch away
[08:26] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you se the grub menu
[08:26] <bloodxii> i have 2 computers 1 lapptop + a desktop. they are connected via cat6 lan cable and they will not connect at all to each other with auto eth0. is there some steps i should have done before hand? i have not configured anything
[08:26] <nit-wit> *see
[08:26] <onaip1> nit-wit:   It now shows a Black screen with :     GNU GRUB version 1.99~rcl-13ubuntu3
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> tanath: personal i also better liked if untiy was an option...but what can we do?
[08:26] <onaip1> it shows:   grub>
[08:26] <nit-wit> onaip1, choose the natty the first line in the kernel lst
[08:26] <pylix> Cam?
[08:27] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i've been a very happy ubuntu user for the past ~5-6 yrs, but if they don't get some things sorted out, i'll be looking for another distro
[08:27] <nit-wit> *list
[08:27] <bloodxii> unity is an option
[08:27] <jaydez> can anyone help me with my question?
[08:27] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and i'll be bringing people with me
[08:27] <bloodxii> in the login screen
[08:27] <onaip1> nit-wit: it doesn't show the list to choose Natty
[08:27] <bloodxii> down the bottom
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i like ubuntu to much to switch
[08:27] <pylix> Cameron: are you Cam from ug chat?
[08:27] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i though that 'till now
[08:27] <nit-wit> onaip1, is the screen completely black  What does it show?
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> tanath: what about you use classic instaed of unity?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> tanath: everything still works on classic?
[08:28] <tanath> lotuspsychje, they've made a lot of bold decisions lately that aren't popular but were good decisions, but unity needs more work before becoming default
[08:28] <tanath> lotuspsychje, they're removing classic next release
[08:28] <bloodxii> i have 2 computers 1 lapptop + a desktop. they are connected via cat6 lan cable and they will not connect at all to each other with auto eth0. is there some steps i should have done before hand? i have not configured anything
[08:28] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i am using it for now
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> tanath: maybe next time untiy will have classic options :p
[08:28] <bloodxii> unity is pretty lame imo
[08:29] <A_J> lotuspsychje, this tut is outdated can u find me one which i can use for natty : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[08:29] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i wanted to like unity, but frankly it's not up to par yet. not enough of an improvement in ways that matter to users
[08:29] <onaip1> nit-wit: it just has a black screen..         Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions.
[08:29] <onaip1> grub>
[08:29] <bloodxii> SLACKWARE > everything
[08:29] <onaip1> nit-wit:  what should I type ??
[08:29] <tanath> lotuspsychje, at the very least they need to keep gnome/classic around for a couple releases 'til unity is good enough
[08:30] <nit-wit> onaip1, lest not get into a manual boot in.  You were getting into Natty before how did you do that?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i agree
[08:30] <remoteCTRL1> hi guys!
[08:30] <jaydez> Hey, I want to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. My internet has been intermitent and sometimes slow.. so I'm wondering if my computer will crash if my internet stops in the middle of the installation. Does ubuntu download and upgrade at the same time? or does it just download it, then upgrade? I don't want to lose all my data just because the internet cuts during an upgrade...
[08:30] <remoteCTRL1> can you please help me debug my brandnew non working technisat cablestar?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> tanath: im sure the community will fix main untiy bugs to keep every1 happy
[08:30] <nit-wit> onaip1, did you copy and paste the commands as well or type them?
[08:31] <tanath> lotuspsychje, problem is, it's not all bugs. there are feature regressions too. which means they need to do more work on it
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i personal would loved unity bar at bottom
[08:31] <tanath> lotuspsychje, losing features and efficiency/ease of use is very bad. something i despise. i always felt crippled using windows after i switched to ubuntu
[08:31] <tanath> lotuspsychje, now i feel that way in unity
[08:32] <onaip1> nit-wit:  before when I restart my machine,   It used to automatically show the list of installed OS  . . like Ubuntu  ,  Ubuntu (recover mode), test,  Windows XP
[08:32] <Kevin_Flynn> Is there a desktop environment that will work on Ubuntu and Windows?
[08:32] <tanath> Kevin_Flynn, KDE i believe
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i understand your frustration, but like i say there is a linux solution for everything
[08:32] <nit-wit> onaip1, don't bother trying to get in from the grub> prompt , jus answer my questions if you can.
[08:32] <tanath> Kevin_Flynn, there are likely others
[08:33] <tanath> lotuspsychje, is there a linux solution for the current state of ubuntu linux? :P
[08:33] <bloodxii_> can anyone help me with a pr?>oblem
[08:33] <Kevin_Flynn> tanath, is that a download and go deal in windows do you know perhaps?
[08:33] <bloodxii_> can anyone help me with a problem?
[08:33] <remoteCTRL1> !ask | bloodxii
[08:33] <nit-wit> onaip1,  did you copy and paste the commands in natty as well or type them?   Did yo run a update grub while on the live cd?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> tanath: im sure issues can be solved
[08:34] <tanath> Kevin_Flynn, never tried kde in windows, just linux. check the site & note faq. mebbe google it and see what users are complaining about :P
[08:34] <bloodxii_> i have 2 computers 1 lapptop + a desktop. they are connected via cat6 lan cable and they will not connect at all to each other with auto eth0. is there some steps i should have done before hand? i have not configured anything
[08:34] <onaip1> nit-wit: I had to type the commands you gave me .. .
[08:34] <onaip1> nit-wit:   sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt
[08:34] <bloodxii_> I asked twice before thus i asked if anyone could help with the porblem that i had prviously stated
[08:34] <tanath> lotuspsychje, well they can be or i wouldn't bother bitching about them. question is whether they will be
[08:34] <onaip1> nit-wit:  and then :   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda
[08:35] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: well do you have any sort of dhcp service running in the net?
[08:35] <onaip1> nit-wit:  and then tried restarting my machine
[08:35] <onaip1> nit-wit:  before doing the update
[08:35] <bloodxii_> no
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> tanath: the community is always open for sugestions right...thats why unity is being created in the first place right?
[08:35] <onaip1> nit-wit:  now coming up with the   grub> prompt ..
[08:35] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: have you configured static ip adresses?
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> tanath: there is not 1 gates at the top choosing stuff
[08:36] <tanath> lotuspsychje, well, not exactly. i don't think there was a suggestion for ubuntu to switch to unity. it was decided by mark shuttleworth, founder of ubuntu
[08:36] <bloodxii_> i didn't think i would need to, wouldn't they be auto-assigned?
[08:36] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: autoassigned by what?
[08:36] <tanath> lotuspsychje, he makes good arguments for implementing & working on it, but it really isn't ready for default yet
[08:36] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: if you dont have a dhcp service running i will become hard to have them autoassigned, right?
[08:36] <onaip1> nit-wit:   you there?  ?
[08:37] <bloodxii_> nvm, just got it working
[08:37] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and he's been stubborn in the face of criticism. arguably with good reason. he has a good vision, and he's right that if the effort is put in it's prolly the best replacement for X
[08:37] <onaip1> nit-wit:  hope I haven't done anything wrong. .    I did exactly was you guided me
[08:37] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: how do you connect them to each other?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> tanath: so opensource get influenced these days lol?
[08:37] <bloodxii_> cat6 lan
[08:37] <nit-wit> onaip1, is it possible that even though hyou typed the commands correctly here that you may have made a mistake when in the installed Natty. I have never had this method fail in 1000's of instructions and personal use.
[08:37] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: that you already mentioned, but there has to be a switch or something somewhere, right?
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, of course. always has been
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, but yeah, ubuntu wouldn't exist if not for him
[08:38] <nit-wit> onaip1, not the installed but on the live cd.
[08:38] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: but if it works already...
[08:38] <kelvinella> hello how do you get the contact list in the top right cornor to appear?
[08:38] <onaip1> nit-wit:  do i had to reboot while having the NAtty cd in the machine  (coz it ejected when rebooting)
[08:38] <kelvinella> the one where u have facebook, msn, gmail account open
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, created canonical, the company behind ubuntu
[08:38] <remoteCTRL1> kelvinella: contactlist of what?
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> tanath: but i agree you on every point mate, they should at least give the user the choice...
[08:38] <bloodxii_> it was timing out on connect
[08:38] <kelvinella> the top right green color mail icon
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, mhm
[08:39] <bloodxii_> then i changed eth0 settings ~ 10 seconds ago
[08:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, if the cd auto ejecyed on the reboot that is b=normal.
[08:39] <kelvinella> i can only get that icon if someone send me a msg on msn or facebook
[08:39] <crystalblue66> www.xxxlivecam.info
[08:39] <kelvinella> but i want it to appear when i start the computer
[08:39] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should I reload the Natty cd and reboot ? ?
[08:39] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: there has to be some device where your cat6 cables go into, right?
[08:39] <bloodxii_> to local link only from dhcp
[08:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, boot the cd and run the bootscript agian, or try the commands agin.
[08:39] <tanath> lotuspsychje, anyway, thanks for pointer, and the chat. i'm off
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> tanath: like providing classic natty on seperate download iso
[08:39] <bloodxii_> nope just computer to computer
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> tanath: ok take care mate
[08:40] <tanath> lotuspsychje, nah, just a clear(er) option
[08:40] <nit-wit> onaip1, the natty cd
[08:40] <tanath> you too
[08:40] <bloodxii_> and this is why i work with slackware :S
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[08:40] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: in that case you need to set the computers toanip idrass that lays within the same subnet
[08:40] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: example
[08:40] <Syria> After updating to natty i can't find the effects anymore!!!
[08:40] <remoteCTRL1> 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3
[08:41] <bloodxii_> mkay
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> syria: install compiz icon
[08:41] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: by what are you trying to connect the computers, meaning samba, nfs, etc?
[08:41] <bloodxii_> ?
[08:41] <kelvinella> it is empathy i figure it out now
[08:41] <onaip1> nit-wit:  did I had to run the last command :        sudo update-grub      before rebooting  ? ?
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> anyway im off to store
[08:41] <kelvinella> does empathy support webcam?
[08:41] <onaip1> nit-wit:    coz I didn't
[08:42] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: in order to see files from one computer on another one you need to share them
[08:42] <bloodxii_> i was just wanting them connecting to eachother via lan
[08:42] <bloodxii_> which is working
[08:42] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: samba does that for you, in that caseyou can also see them on windows computers, nfs also does that, in that case you can NOT see them on windows computers
[08:42] <nit-wit> onaip1, my insructions on the pastebin say reboot to the natty install and run the update-grub. I also said several times here to onlty run it in the installed natty if you get in.
[08:42] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: kk...
[08:43] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: whats the issue then if it is working??
[08:43] <bloodxii_> it started working 3/4 way of our convo
[08:43] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: what does that sentence mean in english please?
[08:44] <remoteCTRL1> ah ok, i see :D
[08:44] <bloodxii_> 0.o
[08:44] <remoteCTRL1> well go ahead then! :)
[08:44] <Syria> lotuspsychje i have chosen Metacity but the effects tab is still not existed!
[08:44] <bloodxii_> this is why i prefer slackware over ubuntu
[08:44] <Kevin_Flynn> tanath, thanx
[08:44] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: this why "this"?
[08:45] <onaip1> nit-wit:   yup. .  I'm sure I did it correctly. .
[08:45] <onaip1> nit-wit:  after the 2nd command:     sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda        I rebooted
[08:45] <bloodxii_> slackware is bare bones os
[08:45] <bloodxii_> it is hard to use
[08:45] <joot> bloodxii: because of a longer handshake
[08:45] <tanath> ugh, even in gnome classic, some windows still have the unity-style scrollbar. how do you fix that?
[08:45] <onaip1> nit-wit:   and got the black screen with   grub> prompt
[08:45] <bloodxii_> meh
[08:45] <bloodxii_> i started using slackware in 04
[08:45] <remoteCTRL1> bazhang: unop iconia actionparsnip any of the chief rockerz in the house?
[08:45] <bloodxii_> and fell in love
[08:45] <nit-wit> onaip1, okay then I got you this far I have mentioned that this does work, I gave you the wiki where I got it from. What should I do now?
[08:46] <tanath> lotuspsychje, even sticking with classic isn't good enough >.<
[08:46] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: so stick to it then;)
[08:46] <bloodxii_> meh, not my computers
[08:46] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should I try the script again from Terminal
[08:46] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: hehe, i see...
[08:46] <onaip1> nit-wit:  or is that going to cause problem??
[08:46] <bloodxii_> i have heard paradus is ok
[08:47] <nit-wit> onaip1, If you have made a second attempt with the commands and it didn't work that is the best route the script yes.
[08:47] <remoteCTRL1> can anybody pls help me debug my brandnew tv card? i currently have the kernel modules loaded but i see no /dev/video0...?
[08:47] <tanath> can anyone tell me how to fix the scrollbars?
[08:47] <tanath> or what package to blame?
[08:48] <bloodxii_> oh and multiple x-servers = win
[08:48] <nit-wit> onaip1, on the wiki link are two other methods for loading grub, both a bit more difficult and not ones I'm real comfortable trying to instuct on.
[08:48] <nit-wit> *instruct
[08:49] <nit-wit> onaip1, uncomfortable that is.
[08:50] <MaRk-I> tanath: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-disable-overlay-scrollbars-in.html
[08:50] <tanath> MaRk-I, :D thank you
[08:50] <MaRk-I> yw
[08:53] <tanath> MaRk-I, what would be the best way to point out that overlay scrollbars are a regression and shouldn't be default?
[08:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  u've taught me alot though
[08:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  thanks. .
[08:53] <joot> remoteCRTL1: not sure that dev/video is the correct place to look for a tv card
[08:53] <tanath> MaRk-I, since there's separate packages for them... i might argue they shouldn't be default, or shouldn't be used in gnome classic...
[08:53] <mat234> Anyone know how to deal with a password never recognized weird problem ?
[08:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  maybe I need to setup the list to choose which OS to load
[08:54] <MaRk-I> tanath: I have no comment, haven't used unity yet or 11.04
[08:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  from Grub
[08:54] <nit-wit> onaip1, no problem if you look at your script though there is some notation that the sda6 partitions starts at where the sda1 does.
[08:55] <Syria> i have installed Gnome3 on my Natty, where can I find it now?
[08:55] <tanath> MaRk-I, well you needn't have an opinion (or agree if you do)... to direct me (if you know where would be appropriate)
[08:55] <onaip1> nit-wit:  or ur script shows to install Grub .. .   but previously it was Grub2 ? ?
[08:55] <nit-wit> onaip1, there is no grub-legacy on the hd
[08:55] <MaRk-I> tanath: launchpad?
[08:56] <tanath> MaRk-I, yeah, i meant which package...
[08:56] <tanath> MaRk-I, nvm. thanks
[08:56] <lucky105> Syria:- logout
[08:56] <Majere_Draven> only one more hour
[08:56] <nit-wit> onaip1, the script doesn't tell you what to do but what has been done.
[08:57] <Syria> lucky105:  I did, restarted the computer to complete update but when i want to select the interface i can chose ubuntu and ubuntu classic but no gnome3
[08:57] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you have a spare cd laying around?
[08:57] <MaRk-I> tanath: that's why i said i had no comment but according to that link, overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0 are the packages
[08:57] <Majere_Draven> This it taking forever:( I'm hungry
[08:57] <onaip1> nit-wit:  yup
[08:58] <lucky105> did u installed without any error
[08:58] <jaydez> ey, I want to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. My internet has been intermitent and sometimes slow.. so I'm wondering if my computer will crash if my internet stops in the middle of the installation. Does ubuntu download and upgrade at the same time? or does it just download it, then upgrade? I don't want to lose all my data just because the internet cuts during an upgrade...
[08:58] <onaip1> nit-wit:  The newly installed Grub doesn't seem to list my installed OS s
[08:59] <Syria> lucky105:  Without, following these instructions http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gnome3-on-ubuntu-11-04-nattyubuntu-10-10-maverick.html
[08:59] <nit-wit> onaip1, your getting this grub>   when you power up to boot correct?
[08:59] <lucky105> jaydez-> always new install
[08:59] <thegoodcushion> jaydez: it will work fine
[08:59] <Syria> lucky105:  I did not face any problems.
[08:59] <onaip1> nit-wit:  yes
[08:59] <jaydez> thanks
[08:59] <LinuxMario> what is the channel for the ubuntu mexico? i dont speak english
[09:00] <LinuxMario> thanks for the help
[09:00] <thegoodcushion> LinuxMario: #ubuntu-es
[09:00] <LinuxMario> or the ubuntu latioamerica
[09:00] <LinuxMario> thegoodcushion, Very thanks
[09:01] <nit-wit> onaip1, very common could be a number of problems, I gave you the two options I can stick with, a second attempt at the commands, not sure if you have alraedy this has not been clearly confirmed. The second option is to run the script.
[09:01] <nit-wit> onaip1, time for a cig brb
[09:02] <ntr0py> is btrfs ready for use as root fs?
[09:06] <lucky105> Log out and back in, selecting the GNOME Session in GDM
[09:08] <onaip1> nit-wit:  Hi. .    I did some research and found out. .  u forgot to tell me 1 command which is:   sudo umount /mnt
[09:08] <A_J> how do i configure ip's for lan connection ?
[09:08] <nit-wit> onaip1, that is part of chrooting
[09:08] <onaip1> nit-wit:  this should have been entered after:  sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt
[09:09] <Majere_Draven> ... One more hour.. still
[09:09] <onaip1> nit-wit:   I tried it and now when i rebooted,   it gave me the choice to choose my OS
[09:09] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I knew, I was following ur instructions correctly. ..
[09:10] <onaip1> nit-wit:   I found the script  from:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765197
[09:10] <nit-wit> onaip1, show me the research and look at this link. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[09:10] <ntr0py> can i use btrfs as root filesystem with grub2?
[09:11] <A_J> nit-wit, i'm using this tut for samba http://cinderbox.net/2011/05/08/install-samba-server-in-ubuntu-10-10-and-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[09:12] <nit-wit> onaip1, I used top work with those people on that forum. The extra command is not needed i have never had to run the unmnt.
[09:12] <A_J> how do i enable both adapters of mine ?
[09:12] <A_J> nit-wit, not gettin a ping to my another pc
[09:13] <onaip1> nit-wit:  for me. . . .   I was able to see the list of my installed OSs after typing the umount script
[09:13] <nit-wit> onaip1, since I got you this far you might think that you might have not run the commands correctly the first time, or it just needed a little extra work there was no forgotten command.
[09:13] <SchighSchagh> hey guys. I'm trying to figure out how a certain process got started. I know there's a command which spits out a tree of how processes are related (parents/child processes). Anybody know what that command is?
[09:14] <A_J> nit-wit, see my issue
[09:14] <onaip1> nit-wit:   the umount script  definitely got me in to choosing my installed Nattty.. .
[09:14] <nit-wit> onaip1, glad it woked but to be honest this is an are I'm really really familiar with.  As well there are alot of people on the forum i'm sure your scrpt was looked at by others and my instructions, if I was wrong somebody would have said something.
[09:15] <amin`> what channel do I use for off topic discussion?
[09:15] <nit-wit> onaip1, glad it worked for you.;)
[09:15] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I agree with you
[09:15] <Karen_m> inside the shell, is there a way to convert hex to ascii or ascii to hex ?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> how can i add an app-in terminal command to unity bar?
[09:16] <amin`> what channel do I use for off-topic discution?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> !off-topic
[09:16] <Boni> Can anyone tell me the commands used in irssi?
[09:17] <A_J|Win> nit-wit please help me
[09:17] <onaip1> nit-wit: thanks for your assistance
[09:18] <onaip1> nit-wit:  It fixed my booting problem
[09:18] <onaip1> nit-wit:  IF it wasn't you,  I wouldve been crying so bad. .. .
[09:18] <onaip1> nit-wit:    thank you. . . .
[09:19] <onaip1> nit-wit:  appreciate your time until it got fixed. .
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> !unity
[09:20] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje can u help me with samba ?
[09:20] <onaip1> quit
[09:20] <onaip1> \quit
[09:20] <A_J|Win> other slash
[09:20] <Taev> i just upgraded to 10.10 and for some reason almost every time i load mozilla the screen goes gray, becomes unresponsive and i have to force quit, its really becoming unacceptable
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> A_J: im not a network specialist
[09:20] <A_J|Win> damn :\
[09:20] <Taev> any ideas why this is happening? worked fine before the upgrade
[09:20] <nit-wit> onaip1, take a look at this link from the developrs of grub and show me where it says to run that command with a live cd boot the first option.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> post the issue A_J
[09:21] <A_J|Win> well i Configred by this http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/566-install-samba-server-in-ubuntu-karmic and there is nothing about ip in there. i cannot ping or see the other computer any help
[09:22] <A_J|Win> err wrong link this is correct :http://cinderbox.net/2011/05/08/install-samba-server-in-ubuntu-10-10-and-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[09:23] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje ?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> A_J: type \\nameofthecomputerhere
[09:24] <A_J> how do i get that ?
[09:24] <A_J> in run ?
[09:24] <A_J> on windows ?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> yes
[09:25] <lapion> anyone know why clock.app connects to a82-94-229-25.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com. ?
[09:26] <fbdystang> Hi, I can't get chmod to work what am I missing: sudo chmod 0755 CycloneRAID/ from the directory where I mount my share
[09:26] <llutz> fbdystang: what filesystem?
[09:26] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje how do i find out my comp nane ?
[09:26] <A_J|Win> name*
[09:27] <fbdystang> llutz: NTFS
[09:27] <llutz> !ntfs| fbdystang: chown chmod works only on unix-fs readi this
[09:28] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje windows cannot find computer
[09:28] <fbdystang> llutz: cool, thanks :)
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> A_J: are u behind a router?
[09:28] <A_J|Win> no direct connection of lanb
[09:28] <A_J|Win> lan*
[09:28] <Majere_Draven> ... Is that bot AI?
[09:28] <A_J|Win> no^
[09:28] <lapion> nvm it's the weathe thingy
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> A_J: you might try other network tools in software centre, there are plenty for easy networking
[09:29] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje maybe i need to manually configure ip ?
[09:29] <xskydevilx> I'm getting a "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used" error in Maverick when running sudo apt-get update. Any help?
[09:33] <A_J|Win> well lotuspsychje or any1 ?
[09:35] <xskydevilx> Anyone? Here's the output from the terminal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614477/
[09:37] <A_J|Win> xskydevilx every1 abandoned us
[09:38] <xskydevilx> A_J|Win lol seems to be so, maybe I'll switch to the linux mint IRC channel
[09:38] <Majere_Draven> I'm an idiot. so no
[09:38] <A_J|Win> LOL Majere_Draven
[09:40] <Majere_Draven> What you be trying to do Sky?
[09:40] <Majere_Draven> Are you trying to turn on sound in youtube?
[09:40] <Taev> i just upgraded to 10.10 and for some reason almost every time i load mozilla the screen goes gray, becomes unresponsive and i have to force quit, its really becoming unacceptable
[09:41] <Taev> happens every minute or so
[09:41] <A_J|Win> I'm gonna try in the nite time
[09:41] <A_J|Win> more people online then
[09:41] <theking85> ciao
[09:41] <Hot> can you give me an hint ? it's not really ubuntu related,but I try to ask it anyway. I downloaded the opencde desktop environment ,I downloaded the openmotif libraries but now I need to compile the opencde as the following http://devio.us/~kpedersen/documentation.php
[09:41] <A_J|Win> perhaps u can help theking85
[09:41] <Majere_Draven> Salve,
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> A_J: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide
[09:41] <theking85> !list
[09:42] <A_J|Win> ty lotuspsychje
[09:42] <Majere_Draven> Taev, Try upgrading to the newest one.
[09:42] <Majere_Draven> ?
[09:42] <Taev> my mozilla worked fine before i just upgraded
[09:43] <Taev> now its broken, and your solution is to upgrade again?
[09:43] <kantor> hello, why is it that if I start the ping program (which has a SUID to root) as NOT the root user, and I use the ps to print the running processes, the effective UID displayed for the ping is not the root ?
[09:43] <A_J|Win> update not upgrade
[09:43] <Taev> i would assume that mozilla was meant to work on 10.10
[09:43] <A_J|Win> yes Taev it does
[09:44] <A_J|Win> update to firefox 4
[09:44] <Majere_Draven> I've been out of the game for a while. sorry
[09:45] <A_J|Win> damn no pings goin through :\
[09:45] <Hot> can you give me an hint ? it's not really ubuntu related,but I try to ask it anyway. I downloaded the opencde desktop environment ,I downloaded the openmotif libraries but now I need to compile the opencde as the following http://devio.us/~kpedersen/documentation.php   can you help me with the next step ?
[09:45] <Revan199> Question: how to make nvidia works without lags (as with irqpoll option) and Wi-Fi card (D-Link DWA-510) keep works (as without irqpoll option) (part of syslog for network card: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4846f068/)
[09:49] <Syria> Hi, where is the effects tab? it is gone after updating to natty. http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=193507&d=1306655315
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> syria: you can manage effects in compiz settings
[09:50] <Revan199> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a5831dad/ lspci -v
[09:51] <Syria> lotuspsychje: I don't want compiz, i want the same effects that i had on my Meerkat 10.10.
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> syria: did you login to classic or unity?
[09:51] <Syria> lotuspsychje:  Classic.
[09:52] <Syria> lotuspsychje:  i have Classic and Classic without effects, i chose Classic only.
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> what effects you need on classic syria?
[09:53] <Syria> lotuspsychje:  The gelly windows for example!
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> syria: like i say install CompizConfig Settings Manager
[09:53] <Fuchs> Syria: that is compiz
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> and enable wobbly windows
[09:54] <Syria> Okay. I will download it now.
[09:54] <Fuchs> Syria: if you want these effects, you have to run compiz as your window manager and activate the effect.
[09:54] <Syria> Thank you guys for helping me.
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> here's a cool untiy page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36274/tips-and-tricks-for-unity
[10:01] <Syria> I like the ring switcher :D
[10:01] <Syria> Thank you guys for pimping my Desktop. :P
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> np
[10:06] <ntr0py> anyone using btrfs as root fs?
[10:07] <compdoc> does ubuntu do btrfs yet?
[10:07] <compdoc> ext4 seems plenty good to me
[10:09] <ntr0py> compdoc: yes ext4 is my default fs too, but since the installer has btrfs option i wondered if there will any problems arise when using btrfs as root fs on a sandfroce ssd
[10:09] <ntr0py> e.g is grub able to read from it?
[10:09] <compdoc> I dont think btrfs is production ready - ok to play with tho
[10:10] <nill> i have a problem in ubuntu 11.04 on my dell vostro 1320. Please can anyone help?
[10:11] <compdoc> maybe
[10:11] <Jaxan> Where are the network settings saved? my ubuntu is set up to use a static ip, but i want to change that, and i have no gui at hand...
[10:11] <ntr0py> compdoc: do you know of anything to read/consider before formating a sandfroce ssd with ext4?
[10:11] <nill> i have a high cpu usage , i have a core2duo
[10:12] <nill> it uses 100% both cpu 1 and 2 are using 100%
[10:12] <compdoc> ntr0py, if you use a modern OS like 11.04, theres nothing you need to do special
[10:12] <ntr0py> ok then i will use ext4 for now...
[10:14] <compdoc> nill, what does system monitor say is using the cpu like that?
[10:14] <nill> compdoc
[10:15] <nill> it says 100% usage
[10:15] <nill> there is no high process in use
[10:15] <Jaxan> i have looked in /etc/network/interfaces but all there is is "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback". So why does it use a static ip?
[10:15] <majere> Okay, Now It is I that needs help
[10:16] <ntr0py> nill: maybe use top or htop from terminal
[10:16] <Majere_Draven> I have a quite powerful computer, And it won't let me run unity
[10:17] <Majere_Draven> Also.. I installed in win 7.. Can I some how access my files that are on win7?
[10:18] <_sara--> hej
[10:18] <_sara--> does anyone know how to use ipreditor vpn service?
[10:18] <compdoc> nill, if you click the top of the Column named %CPU, it will sort by usage
[10:18] <_sara--> oski:  hej hur mår du?
[10:18] <ntr0py> nill: i once had problems with update-apt-xapian-index eating all available ressources
[10:21] <nill> @ntropy
[10:21] <lucus> hi! Running on Natty 64bit. When I try to safely remove my external usb hard disk I have a kernel panic after it is unmounted. Any idea on what could be the cause? In Maverick I never had that issue
[10:21] <nill> so what did u do
[10:23] <ntr0py> nill: if it is the same problem (look for pid in top and kill it) you may want to read here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/363695
[10:23] <xskydevilx> How do I install the global menu in Ubuntu 10.10?
[10:24] <nill> the cpu starts running on login window
[10:24] <nill> in the login screen
[10:24] <nill> its starts to run
[10:24] <nill> it happened after updates
[10:25] <salvo> .org
[10:26] <Majere_Draven> .info
[10:26] <Majere_Draven> wooo
[10:28] <ntr0py> nill: you need to find out which process uses your ressources: type ctrl + alt + f1, login and start top then look for process id with high cpu usage and note the pid, hit ctr+c and then type sudo kill -KILL <PID> and start top again to see if its gone, then you have to further investigate the origin of the problem e.g google for the program in question
[10:29] <lucus> hi! Running on Natty 64bit. When I try to safely remove my external usb hard disk I have a kernel panic after it is unmounted. Any idea on what could be the cause? In Maverick I never had that issue
[10:30] <nill> thanks
[10:31] <Majere_Draven> How do magnets work?
[10:31] <compdoc> they suck metal
[10:32] <Majere_Draven> Thats awesome Comp.
[10:32] <Majere_Draven> ARe you.. ..
[10:32] <compdoc> np
[10:33] <mirricno> where can i ask for troubles with unity?
[10:33] <lucky105> here
[10:33] <Majere_Draven> The Game engine or the GUI?
[10:33] <kLown> What directory can I add a .jar script to, to be able to use it anywhere on the system, instead of using it in the specific folder its in.
[10:34] <ntr0py> nill: if you didnt kill gdm xserver or gnome you can go pack to your graphical interface with ctr alt f7
[10:34] <ps123> hi every 1
[10:34] <K-4U> So, i'm having trouble with my WIFI USB stick. It's a Gigabyte GN-WBKG. When i select the network, it keeps connecting, but after a while tells me that the network connection has been broken
[10:34] <mirricno> ok then ..... Not software rendered:    no
[10:34] <mirricno> Not blacklisted:          yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GLX fbconfig:             yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GLX texture from pixmap:  no
[10:34] <mirricno> GL npot or rect textures: yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL vertex program:        yes
[10:34] <K-4U> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04
[10:34] <mirricno> GL fragment program:      yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL vertex buffer object:  yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL framebuffer object:    yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL version is 1.4+:       yes
[10:34] <mirricno> Unity supported:          no
[10:34] <tyrone> anyone know why my desktop contrast seems to adjust every time I put the mouse cursor at the top left corner?
[10:34] <mirricno> what's the problem???
[10:35] <Majere_Draven> Lag 3.7 seconds.. That bad?
[10:35] <bindi> !paste | mirricno
[10:35] <K-4U> thnx bindi, was trying to do the same :P
[10:35] <mirricno> sorry :(
[10:35] <K-4U> mirricno: Fresh install?
[10:35] <mirricno> yes
[10:35] <mirricno> just installed
[10:35] <K-4U> mirricno: Boot it, install your video drivers, reboot
[10:36] <tyrone> top right corner rather
[10:37] <mirricno> @k-4U: how can i install the video drivers??? Doesn't ubuntu do that on it's own
[10:37] <mirricno> ?
[10:37] <K-4U> mirricno: Well, not the advanced drivers.. Those are closed, so ubuntu doesn't install them at default
[10:37] <lucky105> I m getting every comment twice on irc !! any problem ?
[10:38] <K-4U> So, i'm having trouble with my WIFI USB stick. It's a Gigabyte GN-WBKG. When i select the network, it keeps connecting, but after a while tells me that the network connection has been broken
[10:38] <compdoc> lucky105, are you sure?
[10:38] <compdoc> lucky105, are you sure?
[10:38] <K-4U> compdoc: lol
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Thats Strange Lucky
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Thats Strange Lucky
[10:38] <lucky105> ya
[10:38] <grisk> O_O
[10:38] <grisk> O_O
[10:38] <K-4U> lucky105: no problems here
[10:38] <K-4U> lucky105: no problems here
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Ive never heard of that before
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Ive never heard of that before
[10:39] <compdoc> you guys are so mean
[10:39] <Majere_Draven> You started it.
[10:39] <K-4U> lucky105: have you tried reconnecting?
[10:39] <K-4U> lucky105: have you tried reconnecting?
[10:39] <grisk> look who's talking
[10:39] <lucky105> ya
[10:39] <K-4U> oh god i need the logs for this :P
[10:39] <tyrone> is there an echo in here
[10:39] <tyrone> is there an echo in here
[10:39] <kLown> k..
[10:39] <kLown> is it necessary to continue?
[10:39] <K-4U> Is there anybody out there?
[10:39] <K-4U> Is there anybody out there?
[10:40] <K-4U> okay, last one was that.. her her
[10:40] <lucky105> every comment related to me shows 4 times
[10:40] <K-4U> lucky105: you sure no-ones trolling you? :P
[10:40] <kLown> lucky105, have you tried restarting?
[10:40] <kLown> (irc)
[10:40] <Majere_Draven> .. I smell Trolls
[10:40] <lucky105> ya
[10:40]  * Majere_Draven sniffs himself" I'm one"
[10:41] <tyrone> ah... sorry to be the noob but what is a Troll?
[10:41] <lucky105> whats troll ??? how can get rid of it ?
[10:41] <kLown> lucky105, tried another server yet?
[10:41] <K-4U> lucky105: you have to run 5 times around your pc
[10:41] <tyrone> rofl
[10:41] <K-4U> lucky105: screaming: "GET AWAY TROLL"
[10:41] <lucky105> lol
[10:41] <Majere_Draven> And set your house on fire
[10:41] <Majere_Draven> Trolls hate fire
[10:42] <jiohdi> trolls are people who ask stupid questions
[10:42] <K-4U> yeah
[10:42] <tyrone> LOL
[10:42] <tyrone> LMAO
[10:42] <lucky105> hahahahaaa
[10:42] <Majere_Draven> Look it up, You won't find any information in the opposite
[10:42] <nicola> Hi
[10:42] <K-4U> oh god i'm really laughing my ass off here :P
[10:42] <kLown> jiohdi, or make stupid comments*
[10:42] <Majere_Draven> me too.
[10:42] <K-4U> oh guys, were can i find the logs? :P
[10:42] <nicola> Why ubuntu sometimes doesn't go in standby?
[10:43] <kLown> K-4U, logoff, and they will be stored in ~/growup.
[10:43] <Majere_Draven> Its too busy to just standby and wait
[10:43] <K-4U> kLown: oh come on, he had to laugh too :P
[10:43] <kLown> K-4U, I know, I'm only kidding :D
[10:43] <Majere_Draven> I know I had a laugh
[10:44] <K-4U> her her :P
[10:44] <Majere_Draven> K-4u Just copy and paste- dujh
[10:44] <kLown> lucky105, try a different server, and see if you are getting the same issue.
[10:44] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: well.. i'm on a very old laptop :P
[10:44] <tyrone> kLown: for a nick like that you sure don't seem to be easily humoured... :P
[10:45] <Majere_Draven> go  CTRL +A CTR:+c ALT+F4 then go to text file and hit CTRL+V
[10:45] <kLown> isnt there somewhere that all ubuntu chats are logged already?
[10:45] <kLown> I forget where though.
[10:45] <K-4U> yeah
[10:45] <K-4U> irclogs.ubuntu.com :P
[10:45] <tyrone> kLown... sorry, just read ^ my bad :D
[10:45] <Majere_Draven> remind me, how do I install NVIDIA drivers?
[10:46] <Majere_Draven> I haven't had ubuntu since 9.
[10:46] <kLown> Majere_Draven, get them from nvidias site?
[10:46] <Majere_Draven> .. You're joking right?
[10:46] <Majere_Draven> IT wasn't that easy before -
[10:46] <jiohdi> Majere_Draven, system/administration/additional drivers
[10:47] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: Settings->Top one->Addit... damn you jiohdi
[10:47] <kLown> I've always found nvidias site to offer the best drivers.  the repo sucks, and is outdated, oddly.
[10:47] <Majere_Draven> .. Repo?
[10:47] <zorindad> Hello.. can someone tell me why my newly installed zorin wants to upgrade to linux mint 11?  will I lose Zorin if I do?
[10:47] <jiohdi> Majere_Draven, repository
[10:48] <K-4U> So, i'm having trouble with my WIFI USB stick. It's a Gigabyte GN-WBKG. When i select the network, it keeps connecting, but after a while tells me that the network connection has been broken
[10:48] <K-4U> damn, logs havent been updated yet :P
[10:48] <tyrone> Majer_Draven:what version of ubuntu are you running
[10:48] <Majere_Draven> Its been to long, maybe i'm just not cut out for ubuntu....
[10:48] <Majere_Draven> Nappy
[10:48] <kLown> Majere_Draven, give it time.  took me weeks in here to get my pc set up correctly the last time.
[10:49] <Majere_Draven> Does sound work on youtube automatically now a days?
[10:49] <Majere_Draven> Or do I have to do the AOSS thing still?
[10:49] <kLown> Majere_Draven, should.
[10:49] <kLown> work fine, that is.
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I hope so.
[10:50] <tyrone> Majer_Draven: I am using Natty and simply search for settings system settings and go to additional drivers.
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I remember Dapper Drake and the mess I had to go through
[10:50] <tyrone> my NVIDIA drivers automatically show up there
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I'm already installing them Tyrone, Thank you.
[10:50] <tyrone> Majer_Draven:OK.
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I better be done " updating" by 6 or My Fiance will be pissed
[10:51] <kLown> K-4U, i had a similar issue when I was trying to use gnomes stock network manager, i had to switch over to 'wicd' and it worked fine.
[10:51] <Majere_Draven> .. Do alt codes for funny text work in ubuntu?
[10:51] <DirtyDawg> wow not married yet and already scared of the fiance
[10:51] <K-4U> kLown: wicd... let me see
[10:51] <zorindad> hahahaha
[10:51] <Majere_Draven> Its how it goes man.
[10:51] <K-4U> hmm, that was stupid
[10:51] <zorindad> better straighten it out now
[10:52] <zorindad> better straighten it out now
[10:52] <K-4U> i was wondering why my sudo pass wasnt correct.. turns out i was ssh-ing into my server..
[10:52] <kLown> lol
[10:52] <Majere_Draven> I'm going to miss Windows Alt Codes
[10:52] <Majere_Draven> Kind of sad thats the only thing i'm going to miss.
[10:53] <Majere_Draven> Mostly because I've still got windows
[10:53] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: Be glad thats the only thing youre going to miss..
[10:53] <zorindad> does anyone know why my zorin insall when I update it wants to update mint 11?  and also, will it remove zorin if I do?
[10:53] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: im still not switching because i haven't found any good replacements for winamp and windows live messenger..
[10:54] <zorindad> sorry, wants to update toooo  mint 11
[10:54] <lucky105> virus are also cool !!! miss them too ?
[10:54] <shdev> Does anyone know if there is a free alternate to TI-Nspire (CAS tool for calculating stuff)?
[10:54] <Majere_Draven> is chromium the same as google chrome
[10:54] <Majere_Draven> lucky, Don't get into that, We all know the plus sides of linux
[10:54] <kLown> K-4U, empathy doesnt work for you?
[10:54] <compdoc> they call their nix OS chrome too
[10:55] <Majere_Draven> I hate Windows Messenger, I have sex bot that won't go away
[10:55] <K-4U> kLown: Meh, trouble is, that all of my friends are using those advanced fnctions
[10:55] <kLown> K-4U, and what about xmms for winamp?
[10:55] <kLown> very similar.
[10:55] <K-4U> lucky105: Stfu.. i have a virus on my desktop which wont allow me to log in now for 2 days straihgt..
[10:56] <Majere_Draven> Didn't Winamp have a linux port?!
[10:56] <K-4U> kLown: Does it have a nice media library like winamp?
[10:56] <Majere_Draven> GOOGLE AWAY
[10:56] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: As for as i know not..
[10:56] <kLown> K-4U, I havent used it in a year, but last I looked, they were identical.
[10:56] <Majere_Draven> I hate winamp. Technically
[10:56] <K-4U> kLown: Hmm, will check it out.. as soon as i get back into my windows box... im afraid im going to reinstall.. D:
[10:56] <kLown> Majere_Draven, I prefer winamps library over VLC
[10:56] <lucky105> chromium vs chrome http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
[10:57] <jiohdi> K-4U, there are browser based replacements for live msg such as meebo.com
[10:57] <Majere_Draven> It will be soon.
[10:57] <Majere_Draven> I prefer Zune's my file manager
[10:57] <kLown> lucky105, issues gone?
[10:58] <Majere_Draven> How did Zune get in there?
[10:58] <Majere_Draven> GO HOME ZUNE
[10:58] <jiohdi> K-4U if you can find a THUMB DRIVE version of any windows program it will run under WINE
[10:58] <Zune> Okay.. I'll just go now.
[10:58] <kLown>  /kick zune
[10:58] <lucky105> what issues?
[10:58] <K-4U> wtf? :P
[10:58] <zorindad> So.  am i to assume that no body knows anything about zorin???  Or am I in the wrong chat?
[10:59] <kLown> zorindad, I know nothing about zorin, but did you try a mint channel?
[10:59] <Majere_> I've never heard about Zorin
[10:59] <zorindad> dont know one
[10:59] <zorindad> zorin emmulates windozzze
[11:00] <pozic> I upgraded to 11.04, but pressing e.g. the u maps to a 4. The other keyboard connected (this one), does work.\
[11:00] <K-4U> kLown: The wicd, where can i find it? :P
[11:00] <kLown> apt-get install wicd
[11:00] <jiohdi> zorin is a ubuntu based OS much like Mint so yes you are in the wrong channel
[11:00] <pozic> Before 11.04 the other keyboard worked.
[11:00] <Majere_> So google Chrome is better?
[11:00] <K-4U> kLown: yeah, i have it installed, and oh.. there it is :P
[11:01] <zorindad> it was made to look and act like xp or 7.. I just installed it yesterday and when I go to update it, it says there is a new version out but its Linux mint 11 and I don't want it to change my zorin to mint
[11:01] <lucky105> Gwibber not working for me in natty ? it doesnt show any tweets !!!
[11:01] <kLown> K-4U, like I said, I had a "similar" issue, not sure it that will work for you or not, but its worth a try
[11:01] <lucky105> Its just useless
[11:02] <lucky105> My echo problem gone ??? just reconnected !!
[11:02] <jiohdi> zorindad, just uncheck distro-upgrade and let it do normal upgrades
[11:02] <Majere_> testing for lucky105
[11:02] <Majere_> testing for lucky105
[11:02] <lucky105> lol
[11:03] <Majere_> Is it working?
[11:03] <lucky105> hey dont do that !!!
[11:03] <kLown> What directory can I add a .jar script to, to be able to use it anywhere on the system, instead of using it in the specific folder its in.
[11:03] <grisk> lucky105: yay
[11:03] <Majere_> Lols
[11:03] <jiohdi> kLown, /usr/bin
[11:03] <lucky105> ya
[11:04] <Majere_> I'm Bi-Winning
[11:04] <Majere_> ahh.. debian packages
[11:04] <Majere_> I missed you little debbies
[11:04] <Majere_> .. Now I'm hungry
[11:05] <kLown> jiohdi, thanks.
[11:05] <pozic> I already solved the issue.
[11:05] <compdoc> Im hungry too- its 4am
[11:05] <Majere_> Know what I really like about Ubuntu.. all these people helping people...
[11:05] <pozic> Majere_: I would prefer an always working system.
[11:05] <jiohdi> kLown, you might need to run a file manager as root to move it there though
[11:05] <Majere_> What are you talking about pozic?
[11:06] <elkuka> hi everyone. my laptop doesn't show hibernation option. I made a swap partition big enough. everytime I restart the computer if I go to gparten and select it, it gives me the option "swapon" and since then if I run "swapon -s" on terminal it shows me swap partition with priority -1. after I restart it theres nothing there anymore
[11:06] <kLown> jiohdi, I was able to move it, and give it a+x to run it.
[11:06] <lucky105>  I m in future!! its 3:35pm
[11:06] <Majere_> Ubuntu work. you just have to work it.
[11:06] <Majere_> Thats the past.
[11:06] <Majere_> Thats yesterday
[11:06] <kLown> you're yesterday.
[11:06] <kLown> I mean..hi :D
[11:06] <Majere_> Get real, You lottery numbers are 22 33 06
[11:07] <lucky105>  ..its today
[11:07] <jiohdi> lucky105, are you in sunday or monday
[11:07] <elkuka> any idea how to make  hibernation work?
[11:07] <jiohdi> or saturday
[11:07] <lucky105> sunday
[11:07] <elkuka> any help?
[11:07] <Majere_> Oh wait, I'm in the future too. 2012 really does happen. Only its not a world ending event. ITs the Freedom Singularity. And windows is still at 7, And people are using Ubuntu  Certified Cyborg 122.40
[11:07] <jiohdi> if 3pm sunday you are in my futgure
[11:07] <jiohdi> future*
[11:08] <lucky105> yep
[11:08] <elkuka> 7 hours since sunday, my new laptop doesn't want to work. any help?
[11:08] <jiohdi> Majere_, actually windows 8 will be out
[11:08] <compdoc> the Freedom Singularity? heh
[11:08] <Majere_> Is 8 going to be more like Ubuntu
[11:08] <Majere_> ?
[11:08] <pozic> Majere_: you should stop smoking.
[11:08] <jiohdi> elkuka, as in what sort of not wanting to work
[11:08] <Majere_> Thats what my friend said about 7, and couldn't be wronger.
[11:08] <Jaxan> Help :(. My apt-get won't update. it stalls and says "Waiting for headers". It works fine on a different machine (same repo's)
[11:09] <elkuka> doesn't show hibernation option. I made a swap partition big enough. everytime I restart the computer if I go to gparten and select it, it gives me the option "swapon" and since then if I run "swapon -s" on terminal it shows me swap partition with priority -1. after I restart it theres nothing there anymore
[11:09] <pylix> 7 is more like Ubuntu than previous versions
[11:09] <elkuka> jiohdi
[11:09] <jiohdi> Jaxan, you can use synaptic
[11:09] <Majere_> The appthing is still at the bottum.
[11:09] <compdoc> I think Unity or windows vista/7 have one thing in common - but dunno who stole from who
[11:09] <ejv> couldn't be more wrong*
[11:09] <Jaxan> jiohdi: i have no gui :P
[11:10] <pozic> Can I add another entry to the left Unity menu>
[11:10] <Majere_> I was emphasizing the point by saying it wrong.
[11:10] <pozic> Drag and drop does not work.
[11:10] <kLown> Jaxan, did you add anything to the repo list?
[11:10] <jiohdi>  Jaxan have you tried aptitude
[11:10] <Jaxan> kLown: i did, but i removed it
[11:10] <Jaxan> jiohdi: same problem
[11:10] <Majere_> I'm gonna try unity now
[11:11] <lethu> hello, I have an issue with wireless, it worked during install of ubuntu, but once I have booted into the installed system it just disappeared and when I try installing the additional drivers for my wifi adapter I get an error and install cannot continue
[11:11] <elkuka> any idea how to make hibernation work. if now it's pointless to have swap partition
[11:11] <elkuka> ?
[11:11] <jiohdi> swap partitions are used for other things too
[11:11] <compdoc> swap partition has more uses than hibernation
[11:11] <elkuka> like?
[11:11] <jiohdi> memory page files
[11:11] <compdoc> swapping
[11:11] <elkuka> just to store eam?
[11:11] <elkuka> *ram
[11:12] <jiohdi> yes
[11:12] <lethu> here is the error log from /var/log/jockey.log, http://pastebin.com/Pe2B81A3
[11:12] <compdoc> in fact, does hibernation even use the swap area? I wouldnt have thought so
[11:12] <pozic> Why did they pick Unity as name? There is a game engine with that name.
[11:12] <lethu> plz somebody help me
[11:12] <pozic> That is just stupid, imho.
[11:13] <jiohdi> pozic, because the goal is to unify the interface for all systems like laptops desktops phones tablets etc
[11:13] <K-4U> oh god
[11:13] <K-4U> am i back?
[11:13] <compdoc> where did u go?
[11:13] <pozic> jiohdi: yes, but if you look for unity, you get unity3d, not Ubuntu unity.
[11:13] <jiohdi> pozic, the unity is specifically targetted to touch screens
[11:13] <K-4U> i have no idea.. the IRC all of the suddent went VERY silent
[11:13] <K-4U> kLown still here?
[11:13] <kLown> yep
[11:14] <compdoc> you went into the future!!!
[11:14] <kLown> Jaxan, can you post ur /etc/apt.conf plz.
[11:14] <pozic> jiohdi: how can I add a menu entry>
[11:14] <jiohdi> K-4U, you likely lost your server connection, it happens alot on irc
[11:14] <K-4U> kLown: i have tried wicd.. but it tells me the passphrase is incorrect, though i am 100% sure that it is the correct pass
[11:14] <pozic> jiohdi: (to the left Unity menu)
[11:14] <elkuka> I see. still everytime I restart it doesnt have any swap at all unless I add it in gparted
[11:15] <Jaxan> kLown: meh, i'm going to reinstall ubuntu
[11:15] <jiohdi> pozic, you can click on the one for applications and then back click on the app and it will have something that says add to launcher
[11:15] <kLown> Jaxan, k, good luck.
[11:15] <pozic> jiohdi: but I want to add a folder there for example
[11:15] <compdoc> elkuka, you partitioned by hand during install?
[11:15] <pozic> jiohdi: or a file
[11:15] <pozic> jiohdi: that was possible in Gnome.
[11:15] <elkuka> I have had lots of troubles with ubuntu lately. I just lost lots of info
[11:15] <kLown> K-4U, hm, are you sure you are using the correct encryption?
[11:15] <jiohdi> pozic, or your can RUN a program anyway you can and when it shows up in the list you can back click and it gives an option to keep it in launcher
[11:15] <elkuka> yes I partitioned by hand during install
[11:15] <lethu> can somebody help me with this wireless problem, I am on the edge of giving up....
[11:16] <K-4U> kLown: which one is for wpa-psk?
[11:16] <K-4U> lethu: join the club :P what's your issue?
[11:16] <elkuka> compdoc:
[11:16] <jiohdi> pozic, there is no option for folders by themselves, just file managers
[11:16] <pozic> jiohdi: shows up in which list?
[11:16] <lethu> hello, I have an issue with wireless, it worked during install of ubuntu, but once I have booted into the installed system it just disappeared and when I try installing the additional drivers for my wifi adapter I get an error and install cannot continue here is the error log from /var/log/jockey.log, http://pastebin.com/Pe2B81A3
[11:16] <jiohdi> the back click menu list
[11:16] <pozic> jiohdi: how do I get there?
[11:16] <lethu> K-4U, reposted my message
[11:16] <majere> .. I'm not sure If I like Unity
[11:17] <jiohdi> pozic, you can click on the one for applications and then back click on the app and it will have something that says add to launcher
[11:17] <compdoc> I like how Ubuntu partitons my drives, so I let it
[11:17] <shdev> I hate unity.. my netbook wont collaborate with it. :(
[11:17] <K-4U> lethu: okay.. don't know that one..
[11:17] <jiohdi> pozic, it should be one of the ones near the very bottom of the launchers on the left side
[11:17] <majere> It looks.. Gimmicky
[11:18] <kLown> K-4U, take a look at this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498035
[11:18] <majere> And I can't Customize it. Or move it
[11:18] <pozic> jiohdi: aren't they just 'launchers'?
[11:18] <compdoc> the easiest way to use unity, is the same way to use win7: click the Ubuntu icon, and type in the name of the program
[11:18] <jiohdi> pozic, yes
[11:18] <pozic> jiohdi: how can I create a custom launcher?
[11:18] <pozic> jiohdi: I believe I also did that in Gnome.
[11:18] <kLown> ugh , bcm43xx drivers..god i hate them.
[11:18] <elkuka> lethu did u try wicd? it works great
[11:18] <majere> I don't want to type. If i wanted to type, Ide use Terminal
[11:18] <pozic> I remember being annoyed with not just being able to drag and drop a file there.
[11:18] <lethu> wicd ?
[11:19] <jiohdi> pozic, I dont know any way to make a custom launcher sorry
[11:19] <compdoc> heh
[11:19] <lethu> elkuka, is it an app ?
[11:19] <pozic> jiohdi: never mind. I do know.
[11:19] <kLown> lethu, what version of ubuntu are you running?>
[11:19] <pozic> jiohdi: thanks
[11:19] <lethu> kLown, latest
[11:19] <compdoc> you dont like to type and youre using nix? Its madness I tell you, madness!
[11:19] <elkuka> yes, for wireless, it worked for me when nothing else worked
[11:20] <majere> whats nix?
[11:20] <compdoc> a version of linux
[11:20] <lethu> elkuka, can I apt-get it ?
[11:20] <majere> you mean linux?
[11:20] <silvering> hi guys, i got a little big of situation here, with slow transfer rate from one sata drive to another
[11:20] <majere> I'm using nappy
[11:20] <kLown> apt-get install wicd
[11:20] <compdoc> *sudo
[11:20] <majere> now to test the awesomeness of youtube on ubuntu
[11:21] <lethu> kLown, ok going ot try this now
[11:21] <kLown> lethu, I just posted this to K-4U, might want to read:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498035  if you have any issues
[11:21] <majere> after i update flash
[11:21] <elkuka> lethu from softwae centre u can get it. not sure whats the name for apt
[11:22] <K-4U> kLown: so you think that network-manager might be interfering?
[11:22] <pozic> How can I see a list op open graphical applications?
[11:22] <pozic> of*
[11:22] <kLown> K-4U, possibly.
[11:22] <pozic> jiohdi: basically there is also a 'protection' to not be able to add invalid launchers to the menu.
[11:22] <kLown> K-4U, either way, I hate the network-manager, I feel wicd is 100% better.
[11:22] <lethu> kLown, so do I have to remove network-manager ?
[11:23] <kLown> but thats my personal opinion.
[11:23] <pozic> jiohdi: except there is no warning. Otherwise, a fairly OK system.
[11:23] <kLown> lethu, I would install wicd, and see if you have any issues first.
[11:23] <jiohdi> pozic, in terminal you can type ps ux
[11:23] <lethu> elkuka, installed it with apt-get
[11:23] <compdoc> lethu, no need to, but you can
[11:23] <pozic> jiohdi: that's not what I want.
[11:23] <pozic> jiohdi: I want a similar option like Gnome had.
[11:23] <lethu> ok, I'll see if it works now
[11:23] <majere> use gnome?
[11:23] <jiohdi> what was it called in gnome
[11:23] <kLown> compdoc, I had about a year ago, not sure how much has changed.
[11:24] <pozic> jiohdi: so, e.g. a toolbar with applications or I believe there is this expose kind of system.
[11:24] <pozic> Isn't there a manual for unity?
[11:24] <compdoc> kLown, I set up my connections manually, but as long as you delete the conenctions from network manager, it doesnt matter if its still there
[11:25] <jiohdi> most linux manuals are like japanese stereo instructions
[11:25] <pozic> There is, and in the expected place.
[11:25] <pozic> jiohdi: I disagree.
[11:25] <majere> should have looked there first?
[11:25] <pozic> majere: can you stop whining?
[11:25] <jiohdi> pozic, then you know a lot more about computers than I do because most of the time I can't make heads nor arses of them
[11:25] <pozic> jiohdi: I likely do, yes.
[11:26] <anddam> hello
[11:26] <lethu> ok, had to remove network-manager in order for wicd to start
[11:26] <pozic> I think the OS should have started with "Hi, welcome to 11.04. This OS has a new graphical interface, do you want to take a tour?".
[11:26] <anddam> can I install all software in a certain category using Ubuntu Software Center GUI app?
[11:26] <lethu> but now how can I access wicd settings ?
[11:27] <pozic> It should detect based on a possible previous installation whether Gnome had been used, etc.
[11:27] <kLown> pozic, I agree, except it should have said "would you like to remove this new graphical interface"
[11:27] <jiohdi> anddam, mostly not all
[11:27] <pozic> kLown: I am not at that point of hatred, yet.
[11:27] <kLown> lethu, there should be an icon like network-manager had, at the top toolbar.
[11:27] <pozic> kLown: On a widescreen, I can see some of its points.
[11:27] <jiohdi> pozic, you will get there :)
[11:27] <anddam> jiohdi: can you detail further? why 'mostly'?
[11:28] <majere> Why is software center teasing me with the recomendations.?
[11:28] <lethu> kLown, I don't see it
[11:28] <jiohdi> anddam, the software center does not contain everything you can add... you can see more via synaptic or aptitude
[11:28] <wsbmilk> ??
[11:28] <kLown> compdoc, you have wicd installed currently, correct?
[11:28] <anddam> jiohdi: right, can I install all software listed in Get Software > Games > All ?
[11:28] <anddam> I mean with a single command
[11:29] <BlouBlou> any good cli web-browser?ç
[11:29] <jiohdi> anddam, if you can I do not know about it
[11:29] <lethu> kLown, do I have to restart perhaps ?
[11:29] <compdoc> kLown, no, not on this system. Cant help with settings
[11:29] <pozic> BlouBlou: links2
[11:29] <anddam> jiohdi: how do I specify category with aptitude?
[11:29] <anddam> ~c ?
[11:30] <pozic> BlouBlou: it
[11:30] <Jaxan> does ubuntu 64bit work well with ati videocards?
[11:30] <majere> Every time I click on reccomndation, It stops being a link.
[11:30] <kLown> lethu, I dont have it installed on here either, for some reason network manager worked perfect for me.  try to restart and see if it shows up.
[11:30] <jiohdi> anddam, I am not much above a noob so I do not know all your answers, just some basics
[11:30] <pozic> BlouBlou: "works" for downloading e.g. drivers.
[11:30] <thian1> join #semarang
[11:30] <lethu> kLown, ok, brb
[11:30] <wsbmilk> Chinese guys?
[11:30] <kLown> Jaxan, did you get that issue fixed?
[11:30] <pozic> Jaxan: it "works".
[11:30] <BlouBlou> pozic: okay, thank you, that's what I need :)
[11:30] <anddam> jiohdi: thanks anyway
[11:30] <Kaihui> who's Chinese guys?
[11:30] <pozic> Jaxan: proprietary drivers are not stable.
[11:31] <Jaxan> pozic: does 32bit make any difference?
[11:31] <wsbmilk> i am
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: so, expecting months of uptime is not going to happen if you heavily compute.
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: likely not.
[11:31] <Jaxan> kLown: reinstalling fixes all ;)
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: proprietary code usually stinks.
[11:31] <kLown> Jaxan, lol.  it was probably something when you edited your repo listing.  but glad ya fixed it.
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: with open-source you can at least see what kind of a mess people made.
[11:31] <willemb> can someone here please help me get 4-channel analogue audio to work?
[11:32] <Jaxan> kLown: i had more issues... so...
[11:33] <kLown> Jaxan, I couldn't agree more...jk :P
[11:33] <wsbmilk> how to setup a gnome theme?
[11:34] <pozic> wsbmilk: gnome-appearance-properties
[11:35] <kLown> K-4U, you get it figured out yet?
[11:35] <jiltdil> i want to learn c language basics how many days wil it take?
[11:35] <K-4U> kLown: still working on it.. damn laptop is very very slow
[11:35] <pozic> jiltdil: that depends on your background.
[11:36] <jiltdil> pozic:means?
[11:36] <pozic> jiltdil: what kind of education do you have?
[11:36] <jiltdil> pozic:i am in 10th
[11:36] <Lekensteyn> jiltdil: buy a book (The C Programming Language, 2nd edition) and do exercises while reading
[11:36] <pozic> jiltdil: so, you are about 14?
[11:37] <jiltdil> pozic:hm
[11:37] <bullgard4> [OO.o 3.2, HSQLDB] includes a file /database/script having the line: »SET TABLE "tbBegriffe20101010" INDEX'125461776 53292'« (which I have not produced directly). What is the effect of this line?
[11:37] <Lekensteyn> L0C41H05T: see also http://stackoverflow.com/q/562303/427545
[11:37] <pozic> jiltdil: ?
[11:37] <Lekensteyn> jiltdil: see also http://stackoverflow.com/q/562303/427545
[11:37] <pozic> jiltdil: C is a very bad programming language.
[11:38] <jiohdi> I thought most modern kids spoke C native :)
[11:38] <pozic> jiltdil: C is 1970s technology.
[11:38] <jiltdil> pozic: linux is also based on c :)
[11:38] <pozic> jiltdil: Linux is also a big mistake.
[11:38] <jiohdi> C is still suprizingly popular
[11:38] <jiltdil> pozic: i learns with mistake
[11:39] <jiltdil> pozic:  :)
[11:39] <pozic> jiltdil: I know other things which are popular, but not good.
[11:39] <jiohdi> pozic, why do you say its a mistake?
[11:39] <Lekensteyn> pozic: what would you suggest then? It's dangerous if not used well
[11:39] <pozic> Lekensteyn: Scheme.
[11:39] <Traintop> Hi Folks! I just installed 11.04 and it works quite flawless; but one thing I just detected is; I have a fingerprint-reader and it works flawless in login-screen but if I have to verify myself for e.g. "Users and Groups" it does not show the window prompting for my fingerscan but there also is no window where I could type my password manually; -so I cannot change anything in "Users and Groups" :-( -any ideas
[11:39] <pozic> Scheme is simple, predictable, etc.
[11:39] <jiltdil> pozic: so according to you which language i should start learning
[11:40] <pozic> jiltdil: pick Racket.
[11:40] <pozic> jiltdil: Racket is a derivative of Scheme.
[11:40] <pozic> jiltdil: it is well documented, etc.
[11:40] <Traintop> jiltdil: I would suggest Java or something like this for your first programming language
[11:41] <pozic> Traintop: Java is way too complicated.
[11:41] <Barami> Python.
[11:41] <Barami> Python is interesting.
[11:41] <pozic> Python is also a big mess.
[11:41] <Traintop> pozic: ? it's one of the easiest to learn imperative languages out there... :-)
[11:41] <pozic> Traintop: yes, and it has lots of fundamental failures.
[11:42] <kLown> pozic, just wondering..do you like anything?
[11:42] <pozic> In Scheme, you program against a specification of 50 pages.
[11:42] <Lekensteyn> kLown: +1
[11:42] <Traintop> pozic: this is like saying: your first car should be porsche 911: a fiat 500 has too many fundamental failures...
[11:42] <pozic> kLown: yes.
[11:42] <pozic> Traintop: no.
[11:42] <pozic> Traintop: a porsche 911 would be Coq.
[11:43] <jiltdil> i am confused now ...which language should i start as my first programming langugae?
[11:43] <pozic> jiltdil: Racket.
[11:43] <jiltdil> pozic:thanks
[11:43] <pozic> jiltdil: there is zero useless complexity in that language.
[11:43] <Lekensteyn> pozic: is it useful?
[11:43] <Traintop> but besides this: any ideas about fingerprint-scanner in 11.04?
[11:44] <pozic> Lekensteyn: it is a general purpose language.
[11:44] <Taev> i hear ruby is easy
[11:44] <pozic> The reason why Scheme, etc., are better than those one day fly programming languages, is that your code still works after 30 years with minimal difficulty.
[11:44] <Lekensteyn> jiltdil: http://askubuntu.com/q/8209/6969 might be of interest for you
[11:44] <cloventt> I started with java and python
[11:44] <cloventt> python is pretty easy to pick up
[11:45] <kLown> pyton was easy, java, not so much.
[11:45] <cloventt> indeed
[11:45] <pozic> Decorators are not very pythonic.
[11:46] <pozic> They have nothing to do with "pseudo-code".
[11:46] <jiltdil> Thanks to all
[11:46] <kLown> pozic, where is it normally used, and for what?  Simple, self used programs, or is it used for bigger stuff?  I've never even heard of it.
[11:47] <pozic> kLown: who cares about that?
[11:47] <kLown> pozic, I would guess, since i asked the question..I do.
[11:49] <Traintop> in the end each imperative language is as good as every other imperative language :-)
[11:49] <cloventt> isn't scheme a lisp variant?
[11:49] <Traintop> and functional languages are ony for masochists :-)
[11:49] <Traintop> s/ony/only/
[11:49] <cloventt> one of my lecturers used to use it
[11:50] <spektreii> hello, im having issues with my keyboard.  Fresh install 11.04.  The keyboard has an extremely slow response time (takes forever to type something out).  I did some checking on the internet and most ts seems to point to "slow-keys" in accessibility, but this is not the issue as I have ensured they are turned off.  Any ideas what could be going on?
[11:50] <cloventt> spektreii: have you ahd the issue with any previous versions of ubutnu?
[11:50] <spektreii> also of note, this seemed to start happening after installing the ATI restricted drivers
[11:51] <spektreii> Cloventt, unknown this is also a brand new computer.
[11:51] <spektreii> Keyboard worked fine in W7 though.
[11:51] <jiohdi> spektreii, did you see if there are any programs hogging up all the cpu time?
[11:51] <majere> Sound Works Youtube No additional Work. Woo
[11:52] <kLown> majere, nice.
[11:52] <spektreii> checking jiohdi
[11:52] <majere> Not at all like the old ubuntu lol.
[11:52] <suiqiang> hi
[11:53] <majere> Its no cake to install flash player for chrome though.
[11:53] <cloventt> majere: doesn't it come with flash as standard?
[11:53] <kLown> never cared for chrome.
[11:53] <jiohdi> majere, you can install flash via software store and that should work on all apps
[11:54] <majere> ...
[11:54] <spektreii> johdi:  nothing seems to be out of the ordinary on the process list, though it does have a slightly high load average: 1.63, 1.61, 0.95 - cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -c processor 6
[11:54] <majere> Jihodi. I did all that for nothing?
[11:54] <majere> I am super scared of the terminal, And i totally used it.
[11:55] <jiohdi> majere, dont know... if it worked I guess its not for nothing
[11:55] <cloventt> majere: the terminal is your best friend
[11:55] <kLown> majere, better get used to the terminal, it will become ur best friend.
[11:55] <kLown> lol, damn you cloventt :P
[11:55] <cloventt> kLown: lolz
[11:55] <spektreii> lol
[11:55] <majere> I know,.. Its the only way to get certain things
[11:56] <jiohdi> majere, it does get easier with time
[11:56] <majere> So why did they move the close minimize and maximize buttons?
[11:56] <kLown> dont blame yourself though, blame windows for making stupid computer users out of us all :/
[11:56] <vak> hi all
[11:57] <jiohdi> majere, for touch screen users
[11:57] <majere> For real Klown. We were givin easy and full of security holes, Now we have to do alittle work for some security, and its hard.
[11:57] <kLown> because its google, and they change everything cus they can.
[11:57] <vak> Is it possible to Install Ubuntu directly from Internet? (kind of like Gentoo or something?)
[11:57] <majere> Google Owns Ubuntu Klown?
[11:57] <kLown> oh, i thought you ment in chrome.
[11:57] <jiohdi> vak, yes, through wubi, on windows, but I would not recommend that, because it crashes too many systems
[11:58] <cloventt> majere: no they don't
[11:58] <llutz> !mini  | vak
[11:58] <vak> jiohdi: I see. by the way, PXE works only on LAN ?
[11:58] <jiohdi> vak, if you are running windows you can down load a ubuntu .iso and run it in a virtual box
[11:58] <kLown> majere, my apologizes, I thought you ment in chrome.  not the new theme they decided to use for 11.04
[11:59] <MonkeyDu1t> about no-ip: when my wan ip-address changes, my website is gone, hints&tips about settings or scripts, anyone?
[11:59] <vak> llutz: minimalCD means CD :P
[11:59] <llutz> vak: use grub to boot the iso, get stuff from inet, done
[11:59] <cloventt> majere: if you don't like where the buttons are there is bound to be a way to change it
[11:59] <kLown> MonkeyDu1t, set a static ip?
[11:59] <vak> jiohdi: llutz: I am wondering if usual networking could be enough :)
[11:59] <MonkeyDu1t> kLown: a static wan ip?
[12:00] <jiohdi> vak, enough to do what?
[12:00] <shdev> In my country you have to pay your ISP for a static isp :(
[12:00] <shdev> ip*
[12:00] <MonkeyDu1t> same here, shdev
[12:00] <majere> I was just curious why they were changed.
[12:00] <llutz> vak: you already have a linux running? you could use debootstrap
[12:00] <vak> jiohdi: to install Ubuntu. From scratch.
[12:00] <majere> In my country you don't get the option.
[12:00] <kLown> MonkeyDu1t, I apologize, I read that incorrectly.
[12:00] <majere> With my ISP
[12:00] <K-4U> kLown? Damn.. i cannot get an IP address
[12:00] <cloventt> MonkeyDu1t: your wan is supplied by your isp, if you want a static one you have to go to them
[12:00] <jiohdi> vak, what os would you be using?
[12:00] <kLown> K-4U, whats the issue ur having now?
[12:01] <K-4U> kLown: i don't get an IP address with dhcp
[12:01] <K-4U> kLown: setting a static IP doesn't work either
[12:01] <vak> llutz: my linux was broken during upgrade (wife closed the notebook -- you know "those things that nusty men always leave undone!")
[12:02] <kLown> K-4U, have you tried to restart yet?  Might still be trying to use the old config?
[12:02] <vak> jiohdi: my (crazy) idea was to use PXE or smth -- but PXE is only for LAN :(
[12:02] <deckstar> K-4U: generally if you've got no ip address, its the modem not giving it out
[12:02] <majere> For a moment there, I forgot notebooks are computers.. And  I was like" What does her closing your notebook have to do with linux..
[12:02] <deckstar> restarting modem can help
[12:02] <K-4U> kLown: restart what? the laptop?
[12:02] <K-4U> majere: lol :P
[12:02] <K-4U> deckstar: Err.. no.. this problem most def is not modem related
[12:03] <majere> I've been up too long.
[12:03] <kLown> K-4U, does ifconfig show anything?
[12:03] <tanath> has alt+f2 been removed in 11.04? it's not working for me...
[12:03] <K-4U> majere: what timezone are you in?
[12:03] <tanath> (in gnome)
[12:03] <majere> CENTRAL standard time.
[12:03] <BlouBlou> tanath: works fine for me
[12:03] <kLown> tanath, alt-f2 works fine for me.
[12:03] <tanath> hrm
[12:03] <vak> OK guys. I see. One has to burn a CD. No way. :(
[12:03] <Xaevo> tanath: keyboard shortcuts maybe?
[12:03] <tanath> it worked before upgrade...
[12:03] <K-4U> kLown: Yeah, but only the eth0 has an ip
[12:04] <majere> The center of the universe.. what does alt f2 do?
[12:04] <cloventt> K-4U: sort of, it takes you to the unity 'run' command instead
[12:04] <jiohdi> tanath, I am using classic and its gone here too
[12:04] <K-4U> cloventt: err?
[12:04] <tanath> jibadeeha, same
[12:04] <cloventt> K-4U: whoops wrong person
[12:04] <majere> It opens run application for me
[12:04] <shdev> If your router supports I actually think you can set it to use services like noip and dyndns and automatically update it if it changes. I'm pretty sure my old router had that option
[12:04] <K-4U> cloventt: Was already thinking 'wtf does unity have to do with my wifi issue?'
[12:04] <kLown> K-4U, is it showing a lan ip?
[12:04] <tanath> majere, you in gnome or unity?
[12:05] <jiohdi> tanath, actually no, I found it, its still here, I was hitting ctrl in the dark
[12:05] <K-4U> kLown: Yeah, my eth0 has an ip address, the wlan doesnt
[12:05] <majere> gnome
[12:05] <majere> I Hate Unity
[12:05] <tanath> ok, why is it working for everyone but me then? lol. it worked before upgrading
[12:05] <Kaihui> Me too
[12:05] <K-4U> kLown: the issue is that when i try to connect with wicd to a wifi network, it shuts down my eth0 onnection
[12:05] <majere> Couldn't stand it for more than 10 seconds
[12:05] <Xaevo> tanath: go to keyboard shortcuts
[12:06] <K-4U> majere: I actually tried... for about a minute or so
[12:06] <tanath> hm, actually alt+f1 isn't working either
[12:06] <shdev> Ubuntu Classic Ftw, any? :D
[12:06] <majere> 10 seconds after i set everything up the way i thought I'de like it.
[12:06] <jiohdi> majere, I tried it again... but after a reboot it vanished
[12:06] <tanath> Xaevo, already checked & reset that.
[12:06] <Xaevo> tanath: maybe your keyboard is broken.
[12:06] <K-4U> majere: i think that the new guys probably are going to like it.. but the guys who are used to gnome... meh
[12:06] <kLown> K-4U, I might have to install wicd to test.
[12:06] <tanath> Xaevo, lol, no. then it wouldn't have recognized the shortcut
[12:06] <K-4U> majere: same that people who are used to gnome, rarely switch to KDE
[12:06] <jiohdi> majere, have you tried Cairo-dock or AWN, they replace unity very well :)
[12:06] <kLown> K-4U, I thought that was normal.  no need to have two connections to the same router.
[12:07] <majere> Ugh... My Fiance is so going to strangle me if I run up our bandwidth.
[12:07] <K-4U> kLown: Well, yeah.. but not if you have the IRC open on the same box :P
[12:07] <majere> I would be nice, If i could move the bar
[12:07] <Kaihui> What about ubuntu11.10?Using Unity?
[12:07] <shdev> k4u, have you tried searching for a driver for your wirelesscard? :)
[12:07] <kLown> jiohdi, Have they fixed cairo-dock?  about a year ago it was buggy as hell?
[12:07] <K-4U> shdev: Not sure if this is driver related.. If it was, i probably wouldn't see it all?
[12:07] <majere> I got so used to using the right side of the screen.
[12:08] <jiohdi> kLown, been using it about a week, so far so good, no crashes other than it making unity vanish
[12:08] <K-4U> shdev: are you in the dutch ubuntu channel too btw? :P kinda saw you talking about dyndns and no-ip
[12:08] <shdev> what's cairo dock?
[12:08] <kLown> jiohdi, unity needs to vanish anyway :P
[12:08] <majere> PLease FFMPEG, don;t kill my bandwidth before the fiance gets on her facebook games and i can blame it on her.
[12:08] <jiohdi> shdev, makes ubuntu look like a mac
[12:08] <MonkeyDu1t> about no-ip: when my wan ip-address changes, my website is gone, hints&tips about settings or scripts, anyone? i followed these instructions, no errors, but it won't work http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html
[12:08] <tanath> anything else that might prevent alt+f1,f2 from working?
[12:08] <shdev> So basicly like awm?
[12:09] <shdev> *avant window manager
[12:09] <jiohdi> shdev, its a bit more than awm, but I use both on different machines
[12:09] <jiohdi> I like them both
[12:09] <Furai`> gtfo
[12:09] <K-4U> problem with awn is that it has very poor support for dual monitor users
[12:09] <Furai`> woot woo
[12:09] <majere> Any of you live in the country, and in the US heres a tip.. Don't Get HUGHES NET it's not any better than Dial up
[12:09] <kLown> cairo had no support when I switched back to windows.
[12:10] <brocade> hello
[12:10] <whyeonseo> can anyone help me
[12:10] <tanath> whyeonseo, no
[12:10] <brocade> ......
[12:10] <kLown> K-4U, you said you attempted to set up a manual ip addy, correct?
[12:10] <majere> What do you need
[12:10] <majere> Ask a question
[12:11] <K-4U> kLown: Yep
[12:11] <whyeonseo> ubuntu 10.10 keeps asking me for acd rom
[12:11] <whyeonseo> a cd rom
[12:11] <airtonix> wish i had an acdc rom
[12:11] <K-4U> whyeonseo: then give it to him?
[12:11] <kLown> K-4U, outside of the routers normal pool?
[12:11] <majere> Give it one
[12:11] <K-4U> acdc! :D
[12:11] <tanath> whyeonseo, CD or CD-ROM? first is a disc, 2nd is a drive discs go in
[12:11] <whyeonseo> but my computer doesn't have a cd driver
[12:11] <K-4U> kLown: with wicd. Normally that is enough
[12:11] <whyeonseo> i installed ubuntu using daemon
[12:12] <K-4U> whyonseo: Wait... what? :\ You installed it from windows? :P
[12:12] <GregAce> hi all
[12:12] <majere> ... You do know Daemon is software and not active when your operating system isn't operating right?
[12:12] <Whisperity> hello. do you know a way how can I make EVOLUTION only close it's window when I click close button? It closes the entire app and it's annoying (I want to make it work like GWIBBER and EMPATHY whom only close their window and remain sentient in the background)
[12:12] <whyeonseo> yes
[12:12] <kLown> K-4U, not sure i understand.
[12:13] <K-4U> kLown: in the settings of wicd, i set an IP address. so that it wouldn't get one from the dhcp
[12:13] <majere> You can't continue the installation Whyeonseo
[12:13] <kLown> K-4U, if its inside the routers normal pool (lets say the pool is .100-199), normally it wont accept it.
[12:13] <whyeonseo> no I did install it the problem is
[12:13] <whyeonseo> software center is not workin
[12:13] <whyeonseo> updates too
[12:13] <check3r> when i want to "apt-get remove libdrm-nouveau1a" it wants to delete 1.334 MB wtf?
[12:13] <K-4U> kLown: oh that you mean by pool :P err.. no, i gave it an ip address that is outside the pool
[12:14] <majere> use daemon, put the cd in
[12:14] <majere> I think theres linux Daemon. someone gave its name earler
[12:14] <kLown> K-4U, and you are sure the dns, and everything is correct?
[12:14] <K-4U> kLown: Yeah, it should be. I allways use these settings on windows
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> what's the channel for server support?
[12:14] <whyeonseo> linux daemon plz
[12:15] <majere> ..
[12:15] <K-4U> whyeonseo: http://lmgtfy
[12:15] <K-4U> even too lazy to fill in the damn form
[12:15] <bazhang> K-4U, dont do that here
[12:15] <tanath> ok, my media keys work fine, but alt+f2 and alt+f1 don't work at all. they're set correctly in 'keyboard shortcuts' and it recognizes when i press them...
[12:15] <kLown> K-4U, i find it weird, with network-manager you were getting device issues, now u just cant get an ip.
[12:16] <bazhang> whyeonseo, remove the cd from the sources.list
[12:16] <K-4U> bazhang: Sorry
[12:16] <Kaihui> Any guy use amorok?
[12:16] <bazhang> Kaihui, please ask your real question
[12:16] <tanath> Kaihui, ew. no
[12:16] <K-4U> kLown: Yep... i really hate my setups sometimes :p
[12:16] <whyeonseo> I didn't have a cd in the sources list in the first place
[12:16] <MonkeyDust> nee, als ik mijn wan ip adres verander, is de website bij no-ip toch weer weg -- ik heb dit gedaan, geen fouten, maar het werkt niet http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html -- what's the channel for server support?
[12:16] <bazhang> whyeonseo, what is linux daemon, take a moment to describe it
[12:17] <bazhang> MonkeyDust, #ubuntu-server
[12:17] <piotrlee_> Hello, i have ubuntu 11.04 and FF (also chrome) and i cant load Facebook, or i can only get to registration site, after willing up boxes and hittin Register it freezes, i treid to clear cookies and it didnt help, any ideas how to fix this ? thanks in advance
[12:17] <Kaihui> I can't get cover
[12:17] <bazhang> Kaihui, perhaps that one does have a cover available
[12:17] <majere> We aren't allowed to lmgtfy?
[12:17] <bazhang> majere, not here, no
[12:17] <tanath> Kaihui, might i suggest banshee instead?
[12:18] <kLown> lol, lmgtfy is very insulting.
[12:18] <K-4U> why is that insulting? :P
[12:18] <bazhang> K-4U, move on please
[12:18] <Kaihui> Thanks. I don't like banshee
[12:18] <K-4U> i mean.. some people really haven't googled... I allways use the IRC as last resort
[12:18] <tanath> Kaihui, oh?
[12:18] <bazhang> Kaihui, not all albums have covers available
[12:19] <bazhang> Kaihui, same as in banshee rhythmbox etc; there should be facility however to add them, should you be so inclined
[12:19] <MonkeyDust> K-4U: not everyone knows how to use google
[12:19] <K-4U> kLown: i have installed dhcpcd right now.. i think i'm going to try again with that service
[12:19] <K-4U> MonkeyDust: is there a let me BING that for you? :P
[12:20] <bazhang> !ot > K-4U
[12:20] <nicoulas> for people who have an interest in politics: http://parapateo.org/
[12:20] <tanath> Kaihui, what don't you like about banshee? i don't like that since version 2 they removed a lot of features/support and basically crippled it
[12:20] <Kaihui> What about ape, flac?
[12:20] <bazhang> nicoulas, wrong channel
[12:20] <MonkeyDust> K-4U: or sometimes google just won't show the solution, as for my problem
[12:20] <tanath> Kaihui, amarok that is
[12:21] <bazhang> Kaihui, all of them can play anything, ape is problematic but doable nonetheless
[12:21] <K-4U> kLown: brb.. going to try now
[12:21] <kLown> K-4U, gl.
[12:21] <parapateo> bazhang what channel would you advise?
[12:21] <tanath> bazhang, i call bull
[12:21] <mr_daniel> I want to make proposal for the download section of ubuntu server: I need the .iso file and want to download it with wget, but I can't find a direct link on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download
[12:21] <bazhang> parapateo, not here, ask in #freenode
[12:21] <tanath> bazhang, neither will play a significant portion of my collection
[12:21] <majere> I found a let me google that for you infinate loop. Can i share that?
[12:21] <Kaihui> ^_^
[12:22] <mr_daniel> Seems like some background JavaScript code is executed. It would be nice to supply a direct link, so easily use it with wget
[12:22] <mr_daniel> Especially when wokring on a headless server enviornment
[12:22] <dzup> majere: yes
[12:22] <majere> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=cache:lmgtfy.com < Infinate loop
[12:23] <ubuntu__> g
[12:23] <ubuntu__> jj
[12:23] <ubuntu__> jj
[12:23] <dzup> majere: kool, makes a nice screensaver
[12:24] <majere> :D
[12:24] <tanath> bazhang, unless you know how to get them to support more formats than i do, i think you're mistaken
[12:24] <majere> Ohh. I haven't played with my screensavers in Ubuntu yet
[12:24] <dzup> majere: www.rickrolling.com
[12:25] <bazhang> dzup, majere chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic NOT here
[12:25] <brocade> ...
[12:25] <bazhang> tanath, ape?
[12:25] <ilter> Hello. I've upgraded my ubuntu 10.04 to 11.04 but after that i got a problem with my attached monitor to my laptop. When i want to switch output to the monitor it shows only mouse pointer and black screen ..
[12:25] <morteza> i wanna see which packages i have lately installed.
[12:25] <tanath> bazhang, no, virtually every game music format (which i have a lot of)
[12:26] <morteza> does apt has some option for this, or is there any log?
[12:26] <ilter> I think there is a bug about new gnome which comes with 11.04 beacuse i didn't face same problem on 10.04.
[12:26] <bazhang> morteza, synaptic has a history iirc
[12:26] <ilter> Could someone help me about this issue? How can i fix it?
[12:26] <quick-> Will anyone pls help me , i was using compiz manager and i screwed up some settings and now i am not getting the title bar in any one of the windows >
[12:26] <morteza> bazhang: can u explain more? irc!?
[12:27] <brocade> IRC....
[12:27] <bazhang> morteza, if I recall correctly
[12:28] <fooman2011> hello guys :)
[12:28] <dzone> Hi all!
[12:29] <morteza> hi!
[12:29] <nuhm> Can someone help me uninstall Java on 11.04?
[12:30]  * ilj4z1 can help
[12:30] <Lekensteyn> nuhm: How did you install it? Through apt? sudo apt-get purge sun-java6
[12:30] <fooman2011> I newbe on Linux. I would like to know: if you program cron with a task every 10min, will you have always at least 10min before the FIRST execution of the task ?
[12:30] <tanath> i've removed the overlay scrollbar packages, but i'm still getting them in some apps. anyone know how to fix this?
[12:30] <dzone> I am testing now Xubuntu from my flash usb and I realized it is faster than Ubuntu. I plan to install it on my old PC and use it for daily tasks!
[12:30] <ilj4z1> sudo apt-get remove -f -y --purge sun-java6
[12:30] <morteza> bazhang: Oh i never saw it before (File -> History), thx a lot, but it must read this info from some log, i search for it...
[12:31] <eze> I am using xubuntu-10.04 on an old PowerPC (Mac G4) and it works really well
[12:31] <majere> How do i get the old screensavers back, The ones dapper drake had.
[12:31] <eze> (in fact, I am chatting from that computer at the moment)
[12:31] <nuhm> might have been syn, terminal is saying 'unable to loacate package sun-java6'
[12:31] <tanath> mortal, gnome log viewer can point you to the log file
[12:31] <Lekensteyn> fooman2011: I don't know, look at `man crontab` or try it
[12:31] <quick-> Will anyone pls help me , i was using compiz manager and i screwed up some settings and now i am not getting the title bar in any one of the windows  .
[12:31] <dzone> eze: It works pretty well on my PC even from the usb drive
[12:31] <tanath> morteza,  gnome log viewer can point you to the log file
[12:32] <tanath> mortal, woops, wrong nick. sorry
[12:32] <Lekensteyn> nuhm: what does `which java` say?
[12:32] <eze> dzone: xubuntu is really good. not as flashy as gnome, but gets the job done, and it does not look so rough as openbox/fluxbox/icewm/etc.
[12:32] <dzone> eze It has 1,47 CPU and 256MB RAM with 40GB Hard
[12:32] <nuhm> lekensteyn: /usr/bin/java
[12:33] <pozic> dzone: 256MB RAM is too little for a usable computer.
[12:33] <Lekensteyn> nuhm: please run `dpkg -S /usr/bin/java`
[12:33] <eze> dzone: it should be fine. 256 Mb is probably the minimum
[12:33] <Lekensteyn> and post the output
[12:33] <bazhang> dzone, lubuntu would do fine with that
[12:33] <tanath> quick-, CCSM > effects > enable window decoration
[12:33] <dzone> pozic: but it is too ugly for me :D
[12:33] <eze> dzone: consider using openbox/fluxbox or something similar
[12:33] <tanath> quick-, i recommend compiz fusion icon if you don't have it
[12:33] <bazhang> dzone, so get more ram
[12:33] <morteza> tanath, i find it, obviously it were in /var/log/apt/  :)
[12:34] <pozic> dzone: if you have money, just buy a machine for 400 euros.
[12:34] <Lekensteyn> dzone: try Lubuntu (using LXDE)
[12:34] <tanath> morteza, ;)
[12:34] <eze> dzone: it's really the apps that would then take all your RAM (browser, openoffice, java being the worst)
[12:34] <pozic> dzone: or something good for 800 euros.
[12:34] <dzone> bazhang: I know RAM  is cheap  these days so I will add more
[12:34] <pozic> dzone: don't waste your time on ancient hardware.
[12:34] <eze> dzone: if you want to be on the cheap, just buy more RAM -- or talk to friends/work colleagues... that's how I got the RAM for my Mac!
[12:35] <pozic> Yep, that's an option too.
[12:35] <eze> dzone (for free!)
[12:35] <Nafi> hello. has anyone of you ever set up a pam_ldap authentification?
[12:35] <pozic> In a shop old memory is more expensive than new memory.
[12:35] <dzone> eze: sure I know some friends wit PC hardware shops
[12:36] <Lekensteyn> pozic: indeed, I could get 4GB DDR3 SDRAM for the same price of an old 1GB DDR1 RAM :o
[12:36] <fooman2011> I'm a newbe under Linux. I would like to know: if you program a task in cron for every 10min, will you have always at least 10min before the FIRST execution of the task ?
[12:36] <dzone> eze: I'll ask them ;) Thanks!
[12:36] <bazhang> dzone, lubuntu should have an iso, or you can install lubuntu-desktop over the existing xubuntu install
[12:36] <eze> dzone, pozic: as it happens, some people do keep their old computers, and their memory modules... it's always worth asking
[12:36] <pozic> Lekensteyn: same story here.\
[12:36] <pozic> eze: that depends on how expensive your time is ;)
[12:36] <tanath> Lekensteyn, which sucks if you need ddr1
[12:36] <majere> Can I get my Old awesome Screensavers back?
[12:36] <eze> dzone, pozic: I am totally amazed as how well xubuntu-10.04 runs on this Mac G4
[12:36] <dzone> eze: I hope so!
[12:36] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto fooman2011
[12:36] <pozic> eze: memory is key.
[12:36] <eze> (ok, it's got 768 Mb of RAM, but even with 384 Mb it was fine)
[12:37] <pozic> eze: and harddisk.
[12:37] <bazhang> majere, from dapper? chances are no
[12:37] <eze> pozic, my harddisk sucks (old 40 Gb IDE)
[12:37] <pozic> I generally use 2GB now, or so.\
[12:37] <majere> :( Sadness
[12:37] <pozic> I have 4GB (which is overkill)
[12:37] <pozic> Well, I sometimes also use 4, but that's exceptional.
[12:38] <eze> pozic, dzone: in my case, I wanted to play with a *real* box using a PowerPC CPU
[12:38] <willemb> i have no rear audio.  I have gone through just about everything in the forums, support sites and other google results, with no success.  please help
[12:38] <Lekensteyn> pozic: I've 8GB (which is not overkill, because I've no swap on my SSD and virtualbox eats memory)
[12:38] <MrXs> I want to run windows 7 on my ubuntu 11.04 using the virtual box
[12:38] <pozic> Lekensteyn: yeah, for virtual machine I think you need the extra 4.
[12:38] <bazhang> MrXs, try #vbox
[12:38] <MrXs> when I turn on the pc, and there's the grub booting shows the options to choose where windows or linux
[12:38] <MrXs> ok
[12:38] <MrXs> thanks
[12:39] <majere> Should be easy mrx. Pm me and i'll give you whatever help i can give
[12:39] <eze> dzone, pozic gotta go. good luck, dzone!
[12:40] <majere> I got them back and more!
[12:40] <bazhang> MrXs, that sounds like wubi, not vbox
[12:40] <dzone> eze: Thanks
[12:40] <eze> dzone: no probs. see you all...
[12:40] <tanath> pozic, 4gb ram is overkill? for what?
[12:41] <MrXs> I dont' get answers in vbox
[12:41] <tanath> pozic, it's the recommended min nowadays
[12:41] <pozic> tanath: for my current uses.
[12:41] <Guest17780> where can i find plug-in forubuntu
[12:41] <tanath> mmk
[12:41] <pozic> tanath: I could use 4PB or RAM.
[12:41] <bazhang> Guest17780, plug in for what
[12:41] <tanath> pozic, :P
[12:41] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: what plugin? Flash?
[12:42] <bazhang> MrXs, vbox wont show a choice of booting windows or ubuntu
[12:42] <Guest17780> yes flush plug in
[12:42] <MrXs> no I dont' mean that
[12:42] <quick-_> tanath: i got the windows but the wireless settings and other thins on the top rigth corner aren't showing up but when i click there it shows the specified thing
[12:42] <MrXs> I mean I want to run windows 7 while using my ubuntu 11.04
[12:42] <bazhang> MrXs, then why mention it
[12:42] <MrXs> how to do that?
[12:42] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: install the `flashplugin-installer` package
[12:43] <MrXs> just to let you know that I have both of them installed in my hard disk
[12:43] <Lekensteyn> if you've 64bits, I recommend installing a PPA from sevenmachines
[12:43] <fooman2011> bazhang: Concerning my question about cron. Are you sure that the answer is present in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto ? i don't find it...
[12:43] <praveen_> MrXs, use virtualbox
[12:43] <bazhang> MrXs, you 're going to have to load a new version of windows in the vbox
[12:43] <Lekensteyn> 64 bits flash: http://askubuntu.com/q/33445/6969
[12:44] <Guest17780> every time i go to watch a channel ,i get a message missing plugin
[12:44] <bazhang> fooman2011, you did not give a very clear question, have you read the manual for cron yet?
[12:44] <willemb> no-one willing to help with surround sound?
[12:44] <candrea> MrXs, you must create a new windows installation inside virtual box; you can't use the one you have already
[12:45] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: do you have 64-bits Ubuntu or 32-bit?
[12:45] <dzone> pozic: Bye for now!
[12:45] <bazhang> willemb, what exactly have you tried, and what has not worked. please be very clear
[12:45] <kLown> K-4U, how did it work out?
[12:46] <fooman2011> bazhang: I don't have any problem with cron. It's a question. When you add a task for "every 10minutes". Are you sure that there is AT LEAST 10 minutes before the FIRST execution of the task ??
[12:46] <willemb> bazhang: in alsamixer, turning down the music on either the front or surround speakers make the volume on the front speakers.  the rear speakers stay mute :(
[12:46] <kLown> fooman2011, why not test it out on something simple?  see if it runs right away.
[12:46] <willemb> the sound test plays only on the front speakers
[12:46] <candrea> fooman2011, if I have understood the question correctly, the answer is no
[12:46] <bazhang> willemb, I see, what about the various pulseaudio tools
[12:47] <Guest17780> i have 32-bit
[12:47] <pozic> How can I get the 'close' button of a Unity window to the right?
[12:47] <willemb> this is all on lucid
[12:47] <fooman2011> kLown: i think that the answer is "NO". But you're experts here right ? that why I'm asking here to confirm that I have a problem...
[12:47] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: in that case open your package manager and install `flashplugin-installer`. You need to enable the universe repository fr that
[12:47] <pozic> I am talking about the red button that is currently on the left.
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> about no-ip: when my wan ip-address changes, my website is gone, hints&tips about settings or scripts, anyone? i followed these instructions, no errors, but it won't work http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html
[12:47] <fooman2011> candrea: ok thanks
[12:47] <bazhang> pozic, good question, perhaps the tool confity or somesuch could help
[12:48] <pozic> fooman2011: I would say: read the manual.
[12:48] <shakti> hi need help - getting message Nvidia driver activated and not enabled
[12:48] <pozic> fooman2011: or just try it with some other command.
[12:49] <fooman2011> So I have a task which poweroff the PC when there is no connected clients. I put it in cron to be executed every 10min. But if the PC start and if the task is executed after 1min, no clients are connected yet and the PC is turned off...
[12:49] <shakti> hi need help - getting message Nvidia driver activated and not enabled
[12:49] <pozic> bazhang: in which package is that tool?
[12:49] <praveen_> pozic, i think you are talking about file browser buttons...??
[12:49] <Guest17780> thanku
[12:49] <fooman2011> i mean "1min only"
[12:50] <scensis> How can i specify NTP server on Natty ?
[12:50] <bazhang> pozic, not in the normal repos as far as I know, was in a PPA
[12:50] <Guest17780> i'll get back to u
[12:50] <K-4U> kLown: not..
[12:50] <pozic> praveen_: start firefox, make it full-window, find the close button for firefox that is red.
[12:50] <candrea> fooman2011, you may want to have a daemon that does the job, but depending on how you check the number of clients, you may also use cron with some adjustments
[12:50] <pozic> praveen_: so, no.
[12:51] <shakti> guys
[12:51] <osse> Shouldn't "cat file.txt" or "vim file.txt" update file.txt's last access date as reported by "stat file.txt" ?
[12:51] <shakti> help here
[12:51] <Lekensteyn> shakti: that is a known bug, you can ignore it for now
[12:51] <kLown> K-4U, same issues, different issues?\
[12:51] <shakti> hi need help - getting message Nvidia driver activated and not enabled
[12:51] <shakti> a bug!!
[12:51] <praveen_> pozic ,that's what i want to know...so try this. http://ubuntuguide.net/move-minimizemaximizeclose-buttons-to-right-in-ubuntu-10-10maverick
[12:51] <bazhang> !nvidia> shakti
[12:51] <Lekensteyn> osse: I think so, maybe the filesystem is mounted noatime
[12:51] <fooman2011> candrea: nClients=`netstat -lataupe | grep ESTABLISHED | grep -v localhost | wc -l`
[12:51] <K-4U> kLown: err... still not getting an IP
[12:52] <K-4U> kLown: going to try accessing a different router now.. if i can get the damn thing to boot..
[12:52] <kLown> K-4U, did you remove your manual entries?
[12:52] <pozic> praveen_: in _unity_...
[12:52] <K-4U> kLown: yep
[12:52] <pozic> praveen_: try to understand the question before you respond to anyone.
[12:53] <fooman2011> candrea: My use case is: I trun on the PC, then i'm connect to it from another PC. So I have to be sure that I will have at least 10min before the script execution
[12:53] <quick-_> tanath: i got the windows but the wireless settings and other thins on the top rigth corner aren't showing up but when i click there it shows the specified thing
[12:53] <fooman2011> candrea: what to you mean by "have a daemon" ?
[12:53] <osse> Lekensteyn, thanks. The filesystem in question is /home which is an ext4 drive and if mounted with "defaults" according to /etc/fstab
[12:53] <osse> *and is
[12:53] <kLown> K-4U, are you currently using the router right now?
[12:54] <candrea> fooman2011, you can make the task run every 5 minutes: the first time, if no clients are found, a file is created; the second time the task runs, if no clients are and if it finds the file, the computer is shut down, else the file is removed
[12:54] <K-4U> kLown: which one? The one i was trying to connect to earlier?
[12:54] <FoXMaN> yo
[12:54] <kLown> K-4U, are you connected now (the computer you are currently using) to the same router you are trying to connect the other pc to?
[12:55] <fooman2011> candrea: mmmh ok but then my task is executed every 5min instead of 10... but finally it's not a problem. I will try this solution. Thank you for you help
[12:55] <^Warrior> Whenever firefox crashes it stalls Ubuntu...is ff bad because i am switching to  chrome
[12:55] <K-4U> kLown: it's the same pc, so yeah :P
[12:55] <kLown> K-4U, Oh, I thought you said earlier it was two different computers.  My apologizes.
[12:55] <candrea> fooman2011, yes, 5 minutes: but that's because the task requires to be run twice in order for the pc to be shutdown (5+5=10 mins)
[12:55] <FoXMaN> a riddle do i have: df shows no free space, even if it claims there is 12G and 7G used, no deleted open files i see in lsof
[12:56] <K-4U> kLown: doesnt matter. i really wish i had 2 different boxes here, but my main box has kinda crashed and is now undergoing recovery from windows..
[12:56] <praveen_> pozic, as far as i know the left side buttons were also in the 10.10 and they are also in 11.04..so the method is same
[12:56] <kLown> K-4U, my idea of "recovery from windows" isnt putting windows back on it :P
[12:56] <candrea> fooman2011, btw, with "daemon" I mean a program that runs in the background and does all the job
[12:57] <sparr> How can I make "Guest Session" an option when my screen is locked?
[12:57] <snuff> I just installed xubuntu. The console seems ok but all I can see in graphics is mouse pointer. Can anyone help?
[12:57] <K-4U> Klown: Yeah, i know :P problem is that i need windows for school stuff.. they don't really like other os'es
[12:57] <afrodeity> anybody know what correct permissions on /sbin/dhclient-script should be
[12:57] <^Warrior> Please somebody tell me how to switch to CLI mode and then again to GUI mode?
[12:58] <K-4U> Warrior: ctrl+alt+F1
[12:58] <K-4U> Warrior: and then ctrl+alt+F7
[12:58] <quick-_> hello , how can i make the settings in compzi manager to default ?
[12:58] <llutz> afrodeity: 755 root:root
[12:58] <fooman2011> candrea: ok. Instead of using a file, can i add a "sleep 300" in my script and then recheck. I mean "if 0 client then sleep 300 if 0 client then poweroff fi fi
[12:58] <afrodeity> llutz: thanks
[12:58] <^Warrior> K-4U:Big thanks to you
[12:59] <K-4U> Warrior: np
[12:59] <K-4U> kLown: meh, i cant even find my other wifi usb dongle atm.. had it lying around here somewhere.. But i'm an electrical engineer, so my whole desk is cluttered with electrical components..
[13:00] <Lekensteyn> ^Warrior: you've 6 text consoles, Ctrl + Alt + [1-6]
[13:00] <kLown> K-4U, I dont think its the usb stick.
[13:00] <pozic> praveen_: you are probably not an 11.04 user. You don't know anything about 11.04.
[13:00] <candrea> fooman2011, yes, you could, but after 10 minutes you'll have the same script running twice (the first started after 5 minutes and sleeping, the second started by cron after 10 minutes)
[13:00] <kLown> K-4U, you wernt able to use it earlier, now you are just having issues getting an ip.  its a config issue somewhere.
[13:00] <pozic> praveen_: I know what you are talking about, it is just not what I asked.
[13:01] <K-4U> kLown: It could be.. i mean.. everything else in this house is connecting nicely.. Okay.. all of that runs under windows, and one android device
[13:01] <pozic> praveen_: so, please just take someone's word for it next time.
[13:01] <K-4U> kLown: Hm, yeah, thats true
[13:01] <candrea> fooman2011, (sleep would be useful for the daemon)
[13:01] <pozic> bazhang: do you know how I can set the language for that application?
[13:02] <praveen_> pozic, ok..sorry for your help...
[13:02] <kLown> K-4U, if you disconnect your wired connection, and attempt to connect wireless, can you ping your router?
[13:02] <kLown> (not literally, disconnect, but drop the connection)
[13:02] <K-4U> kLown: Err.. no
[13:03] <K-4U> kLown: When i set an ip address myself, wicp tries to ping the router and fails
[13:03] <xhhj> When I leave the computer for a while, the screen turns off, and when I start using the computer again, it asks for my password. How do I get it to just wake the computer up wihtout asking for my password?
[13:03] <bazhang> pozic, which did you need? not tried, but can take a look
[13:03] <kLown> K-4U, mind if I pm you?
[13:03] <K-4U> kLown: nop
[13:03] <pozic> bazhang: English would be fine.
[13:03] <fooman2011> candrea: yes that's why i'll put 6min in cron and sleep 300 in the script
[13:04] <pozic> bazhang: I installed it from source.
[13:04] <bazhang> pozic, the tool confity? should be english default
[13:04] <^Warrior> And if i have to scroll up or down in CLI then how to do that?
[13:04] <bazhang> pozic, though I may have misunderstood what you are trying to do
[13:04] <pozic> bazhang: except it isn't.
[13:05] <bazhang> pozic, clearing everything to the left was for the windicators, so perhaps not so easy to attempt that
[13:05] <candrea> fooman2011, that can be a good solution. But if you want my opinion, I'd go with the daemon because you can kill it if you don't want your computer to shutdown
[13:06] <kocur_> kocur
[13:06] <kocur_> hehe
[13:06] <kocur_> e, halo
[13:06] <kocur_> hehe
[13:06] <willemb> oki, after a reboot, the hardware selection makes more sense.  dunno what was wriong ther
[13:07] <willemb> i chose the 4 channel analogue option, but still get no rear audio
[13:07] <^Warrior> Please tell me anyone that if i have to scroll up or down in CLI then how to do that?
[13:07] <angguss> how would i go about restricting a user to the point it can only access /home/mcs/ and nothing else? is it easy to do?
[13:09] <rumpe1> angguss, desktop-users also need access to the executables for desktop-software like browser, email, etc.
[13:09] <waveshaper> would you recommend ubuntu desktop for a home development box ?
[13:09] <rumpe1> angguss, what do you want to achieve exactly?
[13:10] <bl4ckcomb`> waveshaper, sure, why not?
[13:10] <rumpe1> waveshaper, yes.... why not?
[13:10] <pozic> waveshaper: I also heard good things about OpenBSD if you don't do 3D development.\
[13:10] <pozic> waveshaper: better man pages, etc.
[13:10] <waveshaper> Im mostly, caugh, doing audio dev in c++. and I see no reason to stay in windows anymore
[13:10] <angguss> rumpe1, i've got a server, and i want to create a user for the purpose of solely starting/stopping an executable in /home/mcs
[13:10] <pozic> waveshaper: otherwise Ubuntu would probably work.
[13:11] <pozic> waveshaper: (I do it too.)
[13:11] <angguss> rumpe1: using a script i've written
[13:11] <waveshaper> pozic: audio code ? :)
[13:12] <pozic> waveshaper: I would compile a real-time kernel and use jack.
[13:12] <pozic> waveshaper: there are also specialized distros that already do this.
[13:12] <pozic> waveshaper: I think based on either Ubuntu or Debian.
[13:12] <rumpe1> angguss, where do you see security issues?
[13:12] <waveshaper> ah. this, from what Ive heard gives you a really low latency api to work with?
[13:13] <waveshaper> that would be interessting yes
[13:13] <pozic> waveshaper: for real audio development, I assume you have a 100+ euro audio card?
[13:13] <waveshaper> well :p
[13:13] <waveshaper> I have about 5 cards :p
[13:13] <waveshaper> all from cheap to expensive
[13:13] <waveshaper> even have my old trusty GUS :)
[13:13] <pozic> waveshaper: for professional stuff, you should definitely get a real-time kernel.
[13:14] <pozic> waveshaper: latencies are fairly low.
[13:14] <waveshaper> as long as its under 20ms I suppose
[13:14] <waveshaper> but that goes mostly for sequencers and games
[13:14] <pozic> waveshaper: it is measured in microseconds.
[13:14] <pozic> waveshaper: about 50 or so.
[13:14] <waveshaper> oh nice
[13:15] <waveshaper> sounds like I have to try that then :)
[13:15] <angguss> rumpe1, i'm not really sure, maybe there aren't. If creating a regular user would do, i'll do that.
[13:15] <bl4ckcomb`> could someone tell me whether there is an api for forwarding chat events (for instance from an irc client) to the envelope icon in the gnome panel? atm I'm using XChat with its own tray icon, but it would be nice to put it under the envelope icon (like pidgin does by default)
[13:15] <waveshaper> any keywords or just realtime patch low latency
[13:15] <EricElf> Help pls: Just upgraded HP laptop from Mint 7 to Natty11.04. Most things are up, but wireless not. At first lshw -C network showed UNCLAIMED. I got driver=ipw2200 installed (shows in lsmod)  which I though was  the right one. Network now shows DISABLED in lshw. Also, have wired connection running on now which changes things. When cable is disconnected I get an status bar icon for wireless (a circle section). Clicking on it shows me
[13:16] <bazhang> bl4ckcomb`, theres something in the repos
[13:16] <pozic> waveshaper: real-time kernel Ubuntu is the first thing I would try
[13:16] <pozic> waveshaper: the second thing would be real-time audio linux distribution
[13:16] <Lekensteyn> hey bl4ckcomb` :)
[13:16] <bazhang> bl4ckcomb`, xchat-indicator iirc
[13:16] <bl4ckcomb`> hi Lekensteyn
[13:16] <bl4ckcomb`> bazhang, ty, I'll check it out
[13:16] <pozic> waveshaper: if that gives nothing, just install vanilla Ubuntu and compile your own kernel (this is a simple process these days)
[13:17] <waveshaper> excellent. also, I would eventually need a server for my source database
[13:17] <waveshaper> I am running standard mercurial repo if that means anything
[13:18] <pozic> waveshaper: you can run it from the same box.
[13:18] <waveshaper> but that could easily be served on a ubuntubox aswell I guess.but Id prefer it on a separate machine
[13:18] <pozic> waveshaper: you can use a virtual machine, or a physical machine.
[13:18] <waveshaper> actually. with good backup it could run on the same
[13:18] <bl4ckcomb`> waveshaper, or you could use Git if you're planning to go for open source projects
[13:18] <pozic> waveshaper: anyway, those details you would have to decide on for yourself.
[13:19] <pozic> bl4ckcomb`: he just said mercurial.
[13:19] <waveshaper> Git is a possibility. I havent tried it yet though
[13:19] <pozic> bl4ckcomb`: there is nothing wrong with mercurial.
[13:19] <waveshaper> nothing against git :)
[13:19] <EricElf> Wireless networking question continued: 'wireless disabled by hardware switch' and yes there is a switch which used to work. No effect now. Missing driver?
[13:19] <pozic> There is only one thing against git.
[13:19] <pozic> Its source code is a mess.
[13:19] <waveshaper> I guess what I want is to use what most ppl use
[13:19] <bl4ckcomb`> pozic, sure, I'm just giving ideas
[13:20] <pozic> waveshaper: that would probably be git.
[13:21] <waveshaper> alright. tnx got something to fiddle with then :) all tips was very much appreciated
[13:21] <pozic> I kind of like how I have seen zero real issues since the upgrade.
[13:22] <bl4ckcomb`> waveshaper, just out of curiosity, what IDE are you using for c++ dev?
[13:23] <waveshaper> these days I mostly use codeblocks
[13:23] <waveshaper> but Ive also used emacs for a while
[13:23] <pozic> waveshaper: on which platform?
[13:23] <waveshaper> mingw/emacs
[13:23] <bl4ckcomb`> ok great
[13:23] <waveshaper> on win32
[13:23] <waveshaper> ofcourse tested with visual studio just to see that it compiles but
[13:23] <angguss> rumpe1: created a regular user and it works fine, wasn't thinking properly. thanks.
[13:23] <pozic> Emacs stinks for C++, as there is no good completion.
[13:23] <waveshaper> not a big fan of to much autogen crap. like to be in control :)
[13:23] <pozic> There is no 'jump to definition', etc.
[13:24] <waveshaper> emacs was abit tideous
[13:24] <waveshaper> codeblocks is straight forward in that manner
[13:24] <waveshaper> what do you use?
[13:24] <pozic> Emacs is a good text and Lisp editor, but not a good IDE.
[13:24] <Wobbo> What to do with alllllll the problems with 11.04...
[13:24] <bl4ckcomb`> waveshaper, vim, eclipse and c::b depending on the size of the project
[13:25] <pozic> waveshaper: Currently, Netbeans.
[13:25] <pozic> waveshaper: it's symbol indexer is the best.
[13:25] <waveshaper> ah eclipse. that was along time ago. back in school I think doing java :)
[13:25] <pozic> waveshaper: its*
[13:25] <waveshaper> oh. netbeans Ill try that one
[13:25] <pozic> waveshaper: Eclipse is something else.
[13:25] <pozic> waveshaper: ah, never mind.
[13:26] <bullgard4> [OO.o 3.2, HSQLDB] includes a file /database/script having the line: »SET TABLE "tbBegriffe20101010" INDEX'125461776 53292'« (which I have not produced directly). What is the effect of this line?
[13:26] <pozic> I find it ironic that a C++ IDE has to be written in Java.
[13:26] <waveshaper> yeah.. not to fond of it :p
[13:26] <waveshaper> for its purpose VM based is fine I guess
[13:27] <waveshaper> but for what I do not really
[13:27] <pozic> waveshaper: you would be surprised.
[13:27] <Zuzak> Howdy; is there a downgrade path from GNOME3 back to GNOME2? I installed it, and it's worked fine, but now only my IRC client (that's set to load on startup) appears when I boot my machine, and nothing like the menu, topbar, close buttons etc. are appearing [although, a full screen IRC client is quite cool]
[13:27] <pozic> waveshaper: Java does have a real-time model.
[13:27] <pozic> waveshaper: for C++ all that stuff in platform dependent.
[13:27] <waveshaper> yeah. Im actually talking without knowing. Ill take that back :p
[13:27] <bullgard4> !enter | waveshaper
[13:27] <ultrixx> can i change the "dock" so that it appears at the bottom of the screen like in mac os?
[13:27] <pozic> waveshaper: is*
[13:27] <waveshaper> it is a long time ago since last time I did some java
[13:28] <bullgard4> Zuzak: There is no downgrade path.
[13:28] <Wobbo> Really, what to do? I need it, but won't work... All about the 500 problems whit 11.04.
[13:28] <bazhang> ultrixx, in unity? not that is presently known, no
[13:28] <bazhang> !details | Wobbo
[13:29] <ultrixx> bazhang: thanks
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> how can i text base boot in ubuntu?
[13:29] <bazhang> ultrixx, at this point use classic then install docky or the like
[13:29] <bazhang> !nox | lotuspsychje
[13:29] <pozic> Wobbo: it happened to work on two machines using two different installation methods for me, so if you don't just say what doesn't work...
[13:29] <ultrixx> bazhang: ok
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> tnx bazhang
[13:29] <Lekensteyn> brilliant bazhang, you know how to play with ubottu :p
[13:30] <Zuzak> bullgard4: thanks. I'm curious as to where everything's gone, it's as if it doesn't load on startup at all
[13:30] <pozic> bazhang: I got the English version now, but it doesn't seem to have that option.
[13:30] <bazhang> Lekensteyn, good to keep a PM open with the bot for searching packages and the like, also learning factoids; /msg ubottu factoids
[13:31] <bullgard4> Zuzak: Af far as I know many features have not yet been implemented which were commmonplace in GNOME 2. Wait for Ubuntu 11.10.
[13:31] <bazhang> pozic, I was afraid of that, well that was my only suggestion at this point they are working on tools to tweak the various unity settings, so it should be just a matter of time
[13:31] <bullgard4> s/Af/As/
[13:32] <pozic> bazhang: is there also a way to zoom out on your desktop or to get some expose kind of effect?
[13:32] <Lekensteyn> bullgard4: thanks, checking it out
[13:32] <bl4ckcomb`> pozic, compiz
[13:33] <DirtyDawg> ignore #ubuntu JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS MODES
[13:33] <bazhang> pozic, compiz has some issues with unity, though with tweaking it can be done, I'd ask in #compiz or just repeat in a bit, some of the compiz developers hang out here later on today
[13:33] <DirtyDawg> lol fail
[13:33]  * DirtyDawg adds a /
[13:35] <andihadisaputra> hh
[13:35] <bl4ckcomb`> I'm hoping for a gubuntu distro, since that unity joke. I tried to like it...
[13:36] <DirtyDawg> bl4ckcomb`: you can choose gnome classic from the login screen
[13:36] <bl4ckcomb`> DirtyDawg, yes I know, I also removed unity
[13:37] <pozic> How can I get the workspace switcher to the top?
[13:37] <DirtyDawg> ahh
[13:37] <pozic> It seems it is a different kind of menu entry designed to not be changed by the user.
[13:39] <pozic> My Control-Alt-Arrow keybinding also does not work.
[13:41] <pozic> Now, they do work.
[13:41] <pozic> The documentation should be integrated with the system.
[13:41] <pozic> Like Emacs and Smalltalk do :)
[13:42] <pozic> Static, wrong information is another thing we got for free from C.
[13:43] <xskydevilx> When I add a different background for the Ubuntu Panels the other indication icons and date/time don't get changed. Any idea why?
[13:44] <pozic> Where are all the starters stored for Unity?
[13:45] <bl4ckcomb`> xskydevilx, you might need another gtk-engine
[13:45] <angguss> what does the VIRT column in top mean? my system has 256mb memory and 256mb swap, but the VIRT for one process is 576m ?
[13:45] <xskydevilx> bl4ckcomb: Could you explain further?
[13:45] <pozic> angguss: there are manuals for that.
[13:45] <pozic> angguss: there is really no need to ask that.
[13:45] <bl4ckcomb`> xskydevilx, did you pick the 'use system theme' option for the panel and set the bg in the gtk configuration?
[13:46] <bl4ckcomb`> or did you just pick a background image for the panel?
[13:46] <xskydevilx> bl4ckcomb: I just picked the background.
[13:46] <angguss> pozic: roger.
[13:46] <wessel> is it hard to have a system monitor embedded in the background of your desktop?
[13:47] <bl4ckcomb`> xskydevilx, ok, you should change it in your configuration. Is it a built-in theme or a custom theme you are using?
[13:47] <xskydevilx> it's a custom theme.
[13:47] <bazhang> wessel, with conky? not really
[13:47] <bl4ckcomb`> xskydevilx, ok then you should find a ~/.themes/your-theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc file
[13:48] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=867076 wessel
[13:48] <pozic> bazhang: is it also impossible to use Gnome applets in Unity?
[13:48] <wessel> hmm, cool
[13:48] <wessel> I will give it a try
[13:49] <bl4ckcomb`> xskydevilx, when you find that file, this will help you further: http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/
[13:50] <pozic> Still, Unity could still be faster.
[13:50] <bl4ckcomb`> xskydevilx, note that you don't need to touch the file if it exists (or it will just overwrite it with an empty file)
[13:50] <pozic> There is still 100ms of latency if not more.
[13:51] <bazhang> pozic, then try unity-2d
[13:51] <pozic> If I type 'firefox', it shouldn't have to go to disk to check.
[13:51] <pozic> bazhang: I have an nvidia card.
[13:51] <xskydevilx> bl4ckcomb, OK. I'll see if it works.
[13:51] <pozic> bazhang: it should be fast.
[13:51] <pozic> bazhang: if it isn't, the programmers messed up.
[13:51] <ruif13> hi,
[13:51] <ruif13>  have galaxy 10.1v and can't browse files in ubuntu :(
[13:52] <pozic> My 286 was responsive when I had it.
[13:52] <ruif13> anyone can help?
[13:52] <ruif13> i made a rule file
[13:52] <bullgard4> [OO.o 3.2, HSQLDB] includes a file /database/script having the line: »SET TABLE "tbBegriffe20101010" INDEX'125461776 53292'« (which I have not produced directly). What is the effect of this line?
[13:52] <ruif13> but only appears the first dir's
[13:52] <pozic> Now, the hardware is 1000 times faster and it is less responsive.
[13:52] <ruif13> i use that steps http://en.androidworld.it/2011/04/13/how-to-connect-as-usb-storage-device-a-honeycomb-tablet-to-linux-and-ubuntu/
[13:52] <bazhang> ruif13, what galaxy 10.1v
[13:52] <Roonux> hi
[13:52] <phate_01> Salve
[13:52] <ruif13> tablet
[13:52] <phate_01> hi
[13:52] <ruif13> when i connect trh usb
[13:53] <ruif13> appears the icon
[13:53] <bullgard4> !enter | ruif13
[13:53] <ruif13> ok
[13:53] <Roonux> Have you ever heard about printers that print blank pages ? Maybe an driver problem ?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:54] <bullgard4> Roonux: Your question is not Ubuntu specific.
[13:54] <pozic> How can I change the standard "Read Email" link to point at a different application?
[13:54] <ruif13> i have galaxy 10.1v and can't browse files in ubuntu :( , anyone can help?i made a rule file, but only appears the first dir's i  use that steps http://en.androidworld.it/2011/04/13/how-to-connect-as-usb-storage-device-a-honeycomb-tablet-to-linux-and-ubuntu/
[13:54] <Roonux> bullgard4: ok, sorry
[13:54] <pozic> It seems they dumped down the interface such that even if you know something about computers, you are not allowed to change it.
[13:54] <pozic> Very annoying.
[13:54] <bazhang> Roonux, what printer, check linuxprinting.org
[13:54] <Lekensteyn> What's the best way to separate the private key material of GPG from the public keys? Move the secring.gpg file?
[13:55] <bazhang> bullgard4, could be he is using ubuntu, so its fine here
[13:55] <bazhang> Lekensteyn, using seahorse?
[13:55] <Lekensteyn> bazhang: nope, gpg directly through Duplicity
[13:56] <bazhang> Lekensteyn, not sure there, I use seahorse for all that
[13:56] <Roonux> bazhang: an HL-2140, thanks for advices
[13:56] <bazhang> Roonux, check their database, should list what driver to use
[13:57] <Roonux> bazhang: ok, thanks
[13:57] <ruif13> thanks bullgard4
[13:58] <phate_01> Hello everybody :)
[13:59] <Zachyd> Hello :)
[13:59] <Lekensteyn> hi phate_01
[13:59] <phate_01> hi
[13:59] <Zachyd> Yep Yep
[14:01] <bfri> I'm having problems networking between 10.04 and ubuntu alternate any suggestions
[14:02] <bazhang> bfri, ubuntu alternate?
[14:02] <bfri> bazhang or alternative
[14:02] <wessel> if I don't have a ~/.conkyrc file yet, should I make one?
[14:02] <bfri> bazhang thats what i ment
[14:02] <bazhang> wessel, does the guide say so?
[14:02] <bazhang> bfri, which one
[14:02] <wessel> no, it does not mention anything about this, is assumes there is one already
[14:03] <Lunixia> you dont have to make a .conkyrc config file. it will run without a config file.. but of you want to customize(which i recommend) when you will need to create one
[14:03] <bazhang> wessel, there are links to some ones you can put in there, people share theirs
[14:03] <silvano> salve a tutti
[14:03] <bazhang> !it | silvano
[14:03] <silvano> sorry
[14:03] <MonkeyDust> about no-ip: when my wan ip-address changes, my website is gone, hints&tips about settings or scripts, anyone? i followed these instructions, no errors, but it won't work http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html
[14:04] <wessel> bazhang, I'm worried that it loads a configuration file from a different place
[14:04] <wessel> I can start it right now, and it works
[14:04] <wessel> so there must be a configuration file somewhere
[14:04] <bfri> bazhang thats what i ment
[14:04] <bfri> bazhang thats what i ment
[14:04] <bazhang> bfri, which alternative
[14:04] <Lunixia> nope that is the default config from the application itself
[14:04] <bfri> bazhang sorry about that error i dont know how to find that out
[14:04] <Lunixia> load a config file it tells conky to run differently (how you want it to)
[14:04] <wessel> there is a file called conky.conf in /etc/conky, but I guess I'm not supposed to change files in /etc right?
[14:04] <darya> hello
[14:05] <Lunixia> nope dont change that one... unless you know what you are doing
[14:05] <bfri> bazhang what is the termal command ive tried $ uname -mrs and it didnt work
[14:05] <bazhang> bfri, lsb_release -a
[14:05] <Guest64969> i have a question
[14:05] <Lunixia> /home/$user$/.conkyrc is the one you want to create/configure
[14:05] <bfri> ok
[14:05] <bfri> bazhang got it lucid
[14:06] <lucky_star> hello guys
[14:06] <bfri> bazhang i cant change permistions on my shared folders in order send and recieve files
[14:06] <lucky_star> everbody seems  busy here :P
[14:06] <wessel> Lunixia, is it bad to change files in /etc?
[14:06] <bazhang> bfri, using nfs?
[14:07] <Guest64969> who can say me how to format usb flash that write protected?
[14:07] <bazhang> Guest4834, using gparted?
[14:07] <Lunixia> i never mess with files in there unless im following a working set of instructions or unless i know what im doing.. which in most cases you dont need to... because all of you configuration files for customization and personal settings are located within /home
[14:08] <bfri> bazhang how can i tell?
[14:08] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo bfri
[14:08] <Guest64969> i used it but i can't format it
[14:08] <bazhang> Guest4834, its mounted?
[14:08] <Guest64969> yes
[14:08] <bazhang> whoops sorry Guest4834
[14:09] <Lunixia> Wessel - so i would leave /etc files alone unless you are tyring to fix a bug or glitch within an application that was posted on a forum with instructions :D
[14:09] <bazhang> Guest64969, then unmount it
[14:10] <ullas> The LED light is always on on my dell after installing 11.04 Help. (Intel Core 2 Duo)
[14:10] <wessel> how does ubuntu know to use a .conkyrc located in home folder?
[14:10] <wessel> is that linked somewhere in an /etc file?
[14:11] <ullas> The LED light is always on on my dell after installing 11.04 Help. (Intel Core 2 Duo)
[14:11] <Lunixia> its probably written to look there for instructions on how to run, and if the file doesnt exist, it uses a default config located in the /etc location...
[14:11] <Lunixia> just a guess. ive always used the .conkyrc file
[14:11] <Guest64969> i do it but i can't format
[14:12] <Lunixia> open the config file located in the /etc location and you will probably see an IF ELSE statement written in there pointing to your home directory
[14:12] <bullgard4> [OO.o 3.2, HSQLDB] includes a file /database/script having the line: »SET TABLE "tbBegriffe20101010" INDEX'125461776 53292'« (which I have not produced directly). What is the effect of this line?
[14:12] <wessel> Lunixia, nope
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ullas, which led ,and what does it represent, otherwise that doesn't tell us anything
[14:13] <wessel> no IF ELSE in there
[14:13] <SuNotisima> i just wanted to download the 64 bit flash player 10 but the website tells me it has been discontinued - where do i get the .tar.gz from
[14:13] <Lunixia> well it points to it somehow
[14:13] <ullas> IT is the Led light next to webcam that lights only when webcam is tyrned on
[14:14] <Lunixia> it has to or else it wouldnt work when you put your config file in your home directory
[14:14] <[THC]AcidRain> HEY im trying to point a domain to my box through a router and a bridge. on the router, what is the significance of the DNS1 and the DNS2. should i point to these ips instead of the public ip?
[14:14] <wessel> Lunixia, maybe it is hard coded?
[14:14] <Lunixia> could be
[14:15] <lucky_star> will anybody plz help me
[14:15] <lucky_star> how keep safe sys from hacker's attacks
[14:15] <Lunixia> acidrain- DNS1 and DNS2 are you talking about the setttings on your local machine?
[14:15] <bazhang> lucky_star, with what
[14:15] <ullas> BluesKaj are you there
[14:15] <Lunixia> acidrain - or the ones in your router?
[14:16] <[THC]AcidRain> Lunixia: yeah. my previous problem is that the public ip i pointed the domains to is bringing up the bridge interface
[14:16] <[THC]AcidRain> yeah, the ones on my router
[14:16] <lucky_star> is there any gud program to track hacker activities ??
[14:16] <ullas> The LED light is always on on my dell after installing 11.04 Help. (Intel Core 2 Duo)
[14:16] <[THC]AcidRain> i was just wondering if pointing to either of my DNS addresses would fix this issue
[14:16] <lucky_star> or any " IP logger " ?
[14:16] <bazhang> !iptables > lucky_star
[14:17] <BluesKaj> ullas, yes
[14:17] <lucky_star> ahaan ..ohhk sire
[14:17] <Lunixia> you might need to point it to your routeor for DNS querying.. and as long as your router has a dns sevrer to query, you should be fine (normally your ISP will have dns servers within the DHCP lease)
[14:18] <ullas> Blueskay It is the led next to Webcam it lights only when webcam is on
[14:19] <pozic> How can I say that my email application should be Thunderbird?
[14:19] <Lunixia> wessel: i would look up how conky is written. the .configrc file will let you customize conky to run how you want it to. thats about all I know about conky - oh and i have a pretty nice config file somewhere on my htpc just sitting there waiting to be used again
[14:19] <pozic> (in Unity)
[14:19] <Lunixia> *conkyrc
[14:19] <JoshuaL> pozic, open the dash, type prefered applications
[14:19] <JoshuaL> preferred*
[14:20] <lucky_star> one more ques .   can anybody hack my lappy only  with IP address?
[14:20] <lucky_star> i mean
[14:20] <lucky_star> what if someone has my ip address?
[14:20] <bazhang> lucky_star, try ##security
[14:20] <[THC]AcidRain> Lunixia: look at private message
[14:20] <[THC]AcidRain> i have more details on my issue
[14:20] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: On Ubuntu?
[14:20] <rhin0> any way of getting the old desktop/menus in 11.04
[14:20] <pozic> JoshuaL: that does not work, but my system is not set to English.
[14:20] <rhin0> otherwise i'm not using it
[14:20] <lucky_star> yeah on ubuntu  natty
[14:21] <wessel> Lunixia, ye, I wanted to know how it works
[14:21] <pozic> JoshuaL: just tell me the name of the binary.
[14:21] <BorgTK2001> rhin0, yep
[14:21] <bazhang> rhin0, choose classic
[14:21] <^Warrior> can you tell me....how emacs can let us edit text in terminal even  when in simple terminals we are not able to edit text which have been printed?
[14:21] <JoshuaL> pozic, try it in your language then
[14:21] <rhin0> where from
[14:21] <rhin0> please bazhang
[14:21] <pozic> JoshuaL: I already tried that.
[14:21] <^Warrior> anyone
[14:21] <^Warrior> ?
[14:21] <wessel> I can not find this IF ELSE, which I also expected to be there
[14:21] <SuNotisima> i can't get flash player working in firefox - i put the libflashplayer.so in the right folder but nothing happens
[14:21] <bazhang> rhin0, log in window
[14:21] <BorgTK2001> on the login screen, choose Ubuntu Classic
[14:21] <rhin0> aha
[14:21] <wessel> but I can you can hard code it
[14:21] <rhin0> right thanks very much bazhang
[14:21] <wessel> I guess*
[14:21] <lucky_star> ubuntu  classic..aah got it .
[14:21] <vak> How could it be ?!.. sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /home/user/svn-repo && sudo -u www-data ls /home/user/svn-repo ==> "Permission denied"
[14:22] <smw> ^Warrior, the reason is that emacs is a middle man.
[14:22] <JoshuaL> pozic,  gnome-default-applications-properties
[14:22] <wendico> Hello everybody! I have being playing with my ubuntu to learn a bit and i messed with the packet manager and i uninstalled and installed packages. Now of course i had many problems. Is there away to revert to default packages installation?
[14:22] <smw> ^Warrior, you are not looking at the strait terminal but emacs through the terminal
[14:22] <lucky_star> @ bazhang and BorgTK 2001  thanks  guys ..for ur suggestions
[14:22] <makoto> hey. i can't get my modem to work, its dropping "pppd[2234]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests" when i call pppd, what is it and how do i fix it?
[14:23] <ullas> The LED light is always on on my dell after installing 11.04 Help. (Intel Core 2 Duo)
[14:23] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: Are you looking to prevent a hack attempt, or have you already got the feeling you have been hacked?
[14:23] <skrip> hello
[14:23] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: no troubles :)
[14:23] <^Warrior> oh i got it..... smw,but can you tell me any lib for programming editors which can let us edit on terminal
[14:23] <lucky_star> i guess, haven't been hacked yet .. but
[14:23] <skrip> can someone help me with my wireless card ?
[14:23] <lucky_star> wanna secure my sys from this kinda attacks
[14:23] <bindi> lucky_star: you wont be hacked, thank you
[14:24] <BorgTK2001> Prevention is always good :) Just make sure youregularly update via Update Manager
[14:24] <JoshuaL> wendico, in synaptic search for ubuntu-desktop, try to "reinstall" that package, or mark the suggested packages for installation
[14:24] <lucky_star> bindi : ahaan ..thankss   for assurance :-)
[14:24] <BorgTK2001> Especially if there are important security updates
[14:24] <lucky_star> yeah i've updated every single program installed
[14:24] <lucky_star> on my sys
[14:24] <smw> ^Warrior, um, do you know how it works? It takes the input from the terminal and makes it part of a document
[14:24] <BorgTK2001> bindi - that is patently false
[14:24] <rhin0> bazhang -- I can't see 'classic' on login window -- where from
[14:24] <BorgTK2001> Linux/Ubuntu is secure, but not foolproof
[14:24] <smw> ^Warrior, no lib necessary
[14:25] <wendico> thank you Jooshual, i try right away
[14:25] <bazhang> rhin0, select user, then check bottom panel
[14:25] <lucky_star> but guys ....i've installed Nmap and Wireshark
[14:25] <ashmew2> No Machine which has human beings operating it is "FoolProof"
[14:25] <lucky_star> but dunno how to use them :P
[14:25] <glidesurfer_> uit
[14:25] <lucky_star> hehe watta shame
[14:25] <BorgTK2001> ashmew2: Zing ;)
[14:25] <ashmew2> ;
[14:25] <ashmew2> )
[14:26] <^Warrior> smw thanks....now i will look at that part of the code to understand how it works :)
[14:26] <skrip> some help here ?
[14:26] <lucky_star> u guys are very helpful  ...
[14:26] <bazhang> !wifi | skrip
[14:26] <BorgTK2001> skrip - go ahead :)
[14:26] <lucky_star> actually i don't chat usually or don't seek for help
[14:26] <lucky_star> :P
[14:26] <rhin0> ty bazhang -- fantastic -- ubuntu 11.04 on an ssd :)
[14:26] <wendico> Lol! ubuntu-desktop is mark as uninstalled, im happy i still can open connect and chat hehe, i install right now, thanks joshual
[14:26] <lucky_star> and thats my problem
[14:27] <zroysch> Could someone tell me how I go about troubleshooting a sound problem (i have no sound at all) in ubuntu 11.04? If i click the speaker in the taskbar and click sound preferences nothing happens
[14:27] <MonkeyDust> wendico: until you log out or restart
[14:27] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: The key part here is that now you have been helped, take some time to learn the Ubuntu ropes, then comeback and help your fellow humans with Ubuntu issues :)
[14:27] <JoshuaL> wendico, glad i could help
[14:28] <BorgTK2001> zroysch: Do you have any sound effects even if you can't change the volume or prefs?
[14:28] <lucky_star> BorgTK2001:  sure sire .i'll
[14:28] <lucky_star> @zroysch  : use " gnome-volume-control" command
[14:28] <^Warrior> smw...one important question does that mean that whenever we make any change in the buffer emacs has to reprint that again?
[14:29] <luismi_> .
[14:29] <BluesKaj> !ask > skrip
[14:29] <wendico> ok, than, im going to reestart if im back is good luck :)
[14:29] <wessel> Lunixia, did you know that if you change your .konkyrc and save it, it conky changes without restarting? :P
[14:29] <smw> ^Warrior, why are you trying to remake emacs?
[14:29] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: add this command to your list for sound too: alsamixer
[14:29] <wessel> I find that pretty amazing
[14:30] <lucky_star> alsamixer
[14:30] <^Warrior> smw: i am just trying to understand because i myself is a programmer :)
[14:30] <smw> ^Warrior, I believe emacs uses ncurses
[14:31] <lucky_star> heyyyyyyyy  @Borg   thanksss buddy
[14:31] <BorgTK2001> zroysch: if you open a terminal and type in the command: alsamixer , that should give you a volume control for the soundcard
[14:31] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: No troubles :)
[14:32] <BorgTK2001> and, zroysch, it will also tell you if you have a sound card at all ;)
[14:32] <^Warrior> smw:that makes sense ::
[14:32] <lucky_star> BorgTK2001 : now i'm thinking about ...  y don't i take some ubuntu classes from u :-)
[14:32] <bullgard4> [OO.o 3.2, HSQLDB] includes a file /database/script having the line: »SET TABLE "tbBegriffe20101010" INDEX'125461776 53292'« (which I have not produced directly). What is the effect of this line?
[14:33] <skrip> I have just installed the recomended drivers (Broadcom STA wireless driver ) and even with that the wifi isnt working
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> skrip: is it a Broadcom 43xx?
[14:33] <xskydevilx> I get "Could not display run dialog" error when pressing Alt+F2
[14:33] <rhin0> skrip you can wrap windows drivers for your wireless card with 'ndiswrapper' so ubuntu will use the windows drivers
[14:33] <rhin0> if you can't find the ubuntu drivers
[14:34] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star, I have no worries with that :) I have been using Ubuntu since 6.06. BUT: I am not an expert on all things Ubuntu - That comes with community :)
[14:34] <ararav> привет
[14:34] <SuNotisima> i am trying to install flash player in my portable firefox 3.6 for ubuntu, but whichever libflashplayer.so i move into whatever plugins directory there is, i always get "no plugins are installed".
[14:34] <lucky_star> i'm using   "windows 7" as alternative OS .. but .. after using linux ..  i found window  USELESS :$
[14:35] <lucky_star> BorgTK2001: i'm using ubuntu  for 3months
[14:35] <skrip> yes it is 43xx in older versions of ubuntu it was working great but now i wanted to try the new version Lubuntu but cant get them work
[14:35] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: I only use windows for my gaming - everything else is Linux [Ubuntu specifically]
[14:35] <lucky_star> BorgTK2001 @ actually i don't play games ... sigh!!!
[14:36] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: I'm not one to push distros, but make sure you wait for Ubuntu 12.04LTS - it should be special.
[14:36] <ararav> how cut al sumbol below /  ? grep or sed
[14:36] <BorgTK2001> April 2012 Long Term Support
[14:36] <lucky_star> wow ... next distro is coming sooon :-o
[14:37] <lucky_star> yeah it should be ..
[14:37] <BorgTK2001> Well, there is one more between that - 11.10 October 2011 :)
[14:37] <lucky_star> a friend of mine suggested me ..  Backtrack
[14:37] <BorgTK2001> But that is not an LTS ;)
[14:37] <lucky_star> but i said .. first of all lemme learn some basics of linux
[14:37] <lucky_star> then i'll think about installing Backtrack :P
[14:38] <BorgTK2001> Power of Linux = YOU are in control, not a corporation ;)
[14:38] <Lunixia> anyone else run into the issue with restricted drivers (nVidia specifically) "Driver is Activated but not currently in use" ?
[14:38] <BorgTK2001> zroysch: You OK so far?
[14:38] <lucky_star> Best thing about linux   i found is .. Its power ...its flexibility  and its Terminal :P
[14:39] <zroysch> BorgTK2001: no sound at all.
[14:40] <zroysch> lucky_star: i ran gnome-volume-control and it went to the next lien
[14:40] <lucky_star> hehehehe now 1 stupid ques :P
[14:40] <zroysch> lucky_star: nothing else happened
[14:40] <zroysch> ohhh
[14:40] <lucky_star> zroysch ?   ahem  .... can't say anything
[14:40] <lucky_star> but it works for me
[14:40] <BorgTK2001> lucky_star: keep http://www.linuxtoday.com/ and http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ bookmarked :)
[14:40] <zroysch> BorgTK2001: alsamixer is telling me about an SBLive card
[14:41] <zroysch> meanwhile I'm using the onboard audio out :o
[14:41] <zroysch> changing ports
[14:41] <BorgTK2001> :)
[14:41] <lucky_star> hey BorgTK2001   thanks again .   :D
[14:41] <BorgTK2001> OKies, zroysch :)
[14:41] <BorgTK2001> No troubles lucky_star :)
[14:41] <lucky_star> i guess i'll be an expert soon ..  hehe
[14:42] <BorgTK2001> Indeed, lucky_star :)
[14:42] <Lekensteyn> lucky_star: expert tip: make backups, it'll save your ass a few times ;)
[14:42] <SuNotisima> i can't get my flash player installed in firefox
[14:43] <Centallith> I asked yesterday about an internal hard drive. I've never added one to a computer. I plan to install Arch Linux or Fedora and keep Ubuntu on this drive. Would I be able to acess my files from this drive from another one?
[14:43] <Lekensteyn> SuNotisima: install `flashplugin-installer`
[14:43] <Centallith> SuNotisima, install the flash plugin for Mozilla right form Ubuntu software center.
[14:43] <lucky_star> @lekensteyn ... ahem .. but boss ...  actually  .. i've ever never used backup
[14:43] <m1ck3y> noobz
[14:44] <BorgTK2001> Centallith: yep, that will work
[14:44] <lucky_star> utility deliberately :X
[14:44] <lucky_star> hehe
[14:44] <BorgTK2001> be away of the right drive names, though
[14:44] <vibhav> hi bazhang
[14:44] <Lekensteyn> Centallith: yes, you can have multiple disks, but be sure that your boot loader is installed on the disk on which the BIOS boots from
[14:44] <Arachon> er, how come that when I uninstall evolution-data-server-common, synaptic also wants to remove the majority of GNOME2?
[14:44] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: i am trying to install it to a standalone, portable firefox in a single folder. i have moved the required libflashplayer.so to the plugins folder but nothing happens
[14:44] <BorgTK2001> for example, your ubuntu drive could be SDA and the other drive SDB
[14:45] <BorgTK2001> so make sure you point the instals of Fedora to the correct drive
[14:45] <lucky_star> i can browse through another partition ..while using ubuntu
[14:45] <Centallith> Okay. I will probably be able to get it once it arrives. If I don't get Fedora on the 2 TB (new) drive it's fine. Dual Booting is fine too.
[14:45] <Lekensteyn> SuNotisima: is your firefox 64-bit?
[14:45] <lucky_star> but i can't  .... see  the Partitions in which ubuntu is installed :P
[14:46] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: yes
[14:46] <SuNotisima> i used the "flash player square" thing
[14:46] <BorgTK2001> :) lucky_star: Microsoft isn't happy with ext2/3/4 partitions ;)
[14:46] <Lekensteyn> SuNotisima: in that case you need a 64-bit version of flash, use the one from https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash as it contains a fix for a bug that may cause crashes
[14:46] <lucky_star> BorgTK2002 : hehe you're ryt  :))
[14:47] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: i used this http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/square/
[14:47] <BorgTK2001> BUT there is an experimental way of seeing those partitions in windows - but it could wipe them too
[14:47] <xskydevilx> How do I remove the black arrow from the gnome main menu button?
[14:47] <lucky_star> hehe actually i used to play with windows...  i've crashed windows many times just using MSDOS itself :P
[14:47] <Lekensteyn> SuNotisima: run firefox from the console (terminal), do you get any errors?
[14:48] <lucky_star> no security
[14:48] <lucky_star> :P
[14:48] <Centallith> Well that's a risk I wouldn't take. It's like saying there is a chance of a window imploding when I look through it.
[14:48] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: let me see
[14:48] <BorgTK2001> Centallith: Indeed :)
[14:48] <BorgTK2001> zroysch: did the port swap do anything?
[14:49] <zroysch> BorgTK2001: helped me realize my ruhtardedness
[14:49] <BorgTK2001> Also, if you have two soundcards, you may need to disable the onboard card in the bios
[14:49] <zroysch> yea i think thats been done
[14:49] <BorgTK2001> LOL, zroysch :)
[14:49] <zroysch> years ago
[14:49] <tomThumb> Hi
[14:50] <zroysch> would be a good reason why the audio isnt working
[14:50] <wessel> in conky is it possible to have all cpugraph in in graph? I have 8 CPU so I have 8 different graphs takes up more than half my screen
[14:50] <BorgTK2001> But, to confirm, the port swap now gives you the sound?
[14:50] <Refael> hola, am curious where the daemons processes begins and am curious if such was a Linux origin or Unix origin?
[14:50] <tomThumb> is there a diffrence between SysV, Initd and Chkconfig?
[14:51] <tomThumb> Any documentation on this?
[14:51] <lucky_star> * will be back in a jiffy*
[14:51] <BorgTK2001> :)
[14:51] <BorgTK2001> Refael: I'll lean towards UNIX, but I have nothing to backup that belief - just a feeling :)
[14:51] <coz_>  hey guys
[14:52] <lucky_star> http://hackingpress.blogspot.com/  :P
[14:52] <BorgTK2001> How can we help, coz_?
[14:52] <Lekensteyn> guys to coz_: hello
[14:52] <lucky_star> have a look guys
[14:52] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: i can't get the firefox there to start alone, it's the tor bundle and the terminal only gives me info on vidalia it seems - when i try to start the firefox on its own, it starts my locally installed firefox -.-
[14:52] <Lekensteyn> SuNotisima: run firefox with the -no-remote option to prevent that
[14:53] <mouse> How do I increase how fast my mouse sidescrolls with the mousewheel?
[14:53] <coz_> BorgTK2001,   thanks,, no  help required at this time :)
[14:53] <BorgTK2001> Oh, OKies, coz_ :) A general hello back at you :)
[14:53] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: still straty my local firefox
[14:53] <SuNotisima> *starts
[14:53] <coz_> BorgTK2001,  there you go :)
[14:54] <Lekensteyn> SuNotisima: where does your firefox profile of your portable app reside?
[14:54] <SuNotisima> Data/profile
[14:54] <Jaime771_> hey, is this the IRC support group channel?
[14:55] <cloventt> Jaime771_: yes
[14:55] <BorgTK2001> IRC Ubuntu support, yes, Jaime771_
[14:55] <wendico> hello again, i had no luck. I can only log in propertly in Ubuntu Classicc. Unity no work (no panels), No effects no work (no window borders) only Classic. Reinstalling Ubuntu-desktop and Unity dont solve the problem. New user dont solve the problem. Any tips?
[14:55] <lucky_star> bbye guys  .... see you again :-)     .. take care
[14:55] <BorgTK2001> Bye, lucky_star
[14:55] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: the program directory is App/Firefox and the profile directory is Data/profile.
[14:55] <Lekensteyn> SuNotisima: start firefox with: /path/to/firefox-portable -profile /path/to/Data/profile -no-remote
[14:55] <BorgTK2001> :)
[14:56] <BorgTK2001> How can we help, Jaime771 ?
[14:56] <lucky_star> BorgTK2001 : it wz nice meeting you :-)
[14:56] <Jaime771> How do I verify by SASL (or something like that) to use a server whenever I'm on 3G?
[14:56] <Jaime771> to connect
[14:56] <BorgTK2001> And you too, lucky_star  - I have bookmarked your lkink four a later read :)
[14:57] <SuNotisima> Lekensteyn: it starts with
[14:57] <lucky_star> ahaan  thanks : - )
[14:57] <lucky_star> no .. leaving  B)
[14:57] <SuNotisima> Rules Failed: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520006 (NS_ERROR_FILE_TARGET_DOES_NOT_EXIST) [nsIFile.isDirectory]"  nsresult: "0x80520006 (NS_ERROR_FILE_TARGET_DOES_NOT_EXIST)"  location: "JS frame :: chrome://https-everywhere/content/code/HTTPSRules.js :: anonymous :: line 153"  data: no]
[14:57] <wendico> (note unily logs in, i have desktop background but no panels, i can right click desktop and create launchers and launch them, aplications work but no window borders))
[14:58] <Jaime771> anyone encounter the same problem when they're mobile?
[14:58] <BorgTK2001> wendico: at the login screen, try changing to Ubuntu Classioc
[14:58] <BorgTK2001> Sounds like a Compiz crash, wendico
[14:59] <BorgTK2001> only thing about Ubuntu Classic is there is no Unity - and I like Unity :(
[14:59] <wendico> BorgTK2001 , yes, if u may read a little above i esplain, ubuntu classic ok, but no effects no ok and save mode no ok
[14:59] <Jaime771> who created this channel?
[14:59] <BorgTK2001> wendico: would you like to use Unity or classic?
[14:59] <wendico> unity
[14:59] <wendico> thats why im here
[14:59] <wendico> classic work perfect
[15:00] <wendico> also compiz
[15:00] <wendico> good effects
[15:00] <wendico> but i installed this new version to have unity hehe
[15:00] <Jaime771> help me, please.
[15:00] <BorgTK2001> OKies :) sorry for that mixup :)
[15:00] <wendico> (upps sorry so many lines, i forget with this empathi globes theme....)
[15:00] <BorgTK2001> But will still give it a shot ;)
[15:00] <luismi_> eo
[15:01] <Centallith> wendico: You have CCSM right? The compiz settings editor?
[15:01] <Jaime771> BorgTK2001: how can I verify by SASL whenever I'm on 3F?
[15:01] <BorgTK2001> Without the panels in Unity, can you still open a terminal
[15:01] <wendico> Centallith, no, but i install it right away
[15:01] <BorgTK2001> Jaime771: I am sorry - that Q is beyond me :( But I hope someone here can help
[15:01] <wendico> y just unisntalled to try to solve problem
[15:01] <Centallith> Log into Unity and right click to make an empty file. Then, go to File System/Usr/Share/applications/CCSM once you have it installed.
[15:02] <satonio_> http://pastebin.com/aa5UcYe1 i'm having problems with a ATI Radeon X1950 GT and xserver-xorg-video-radeon drivers it's using sw rasterizer
[15:02] <Jaime771> BorgTK2001: you know what I'm talking about?
[15:02] <m3asmi> whereis the java policy file
[15:02] <Centallith> Then, select Unity as the profile. Return the defaults. Now, go to the Desktop tab and enable the Unity plugin. Dialog Windows pop up, just do everything you can to disable compiz settings.
[15:03] <BorgTK2001> Something about a 3G connection - but I don't know what SASL is :(
[15:03] <wendico> Centallith, i try right away! thank u
[15:03] <flo_> i got problems with my Surf stick... it sucks
[15:03] <Centallith> No problem wendico. I have disabled Unity hundreds of times and gotten it back this way.
[15:04] <BorgTK2001> Centallith: I'm adding that help snippet into my brain, too ;)
[15:04] <wendico> by the way i think u are on the path, playing with my classic and compiz i remember to read a warning dialog about something like that when enabling a compiz plugin
[15:04] <Sug> [[ .. ]] why its used in bash ?
[15:05] <BorgTK2001> wendico: all it takes is one crashy plugin, and down the tube :(
[15:05] <BorgTK2001> I want my wiggly windows on 10.04LTS, but compiz randomly crashes, so I am stuck with metacity
[15:06] <lloowen> Hello all! I'm trying to get my Ubuntu PC to connect to my TV. Not having much fun. I'm trying to connect by using the 'SVHS' port. I've never used it before. Any ideas what command I can use to check that this hardware is up and running on my pc?
[15:08] <BorgTK2001> lloowen: lspci in a terminal?
[15:08] <ktwo> hi, quick questions: how secure are linux passwords ? (assuming it is too complex for bruteforce) is there a change it can  be read? (i dont care about bypassing by reset, but can my password be read somehow?)
[15:08] <BorgTK2001> And then I don't know what you should look for, something to do with your graphics output :)
[15:09] <BorgTK2001> ktwo - that is a mathematical issue ;)
[15:09] <Centallith> Nowadays Linux passwords are pretty secure from what I know. I have no sources to back that claim up, however.
[15:09] <BorgTK2001> a 64-char password should be pretty strong
[15:09] <BorgTK2001> but an 8-char password will be 'broken' quite easily
[15:10] <sagaci> ktwo, physical access can ruin your 63-char linux password if your drive isn't encrypted
[15:10] <BluesKaj> lloowen, which graphics card ?
[15:10] <wendico> okey my frind, lol, 3 conflicts with unity plugin in compiz thats why was disabled (unity conflics especialy with Rotate Flip Left of the Rotate Cube)
[15:10] <ktwo> mh.. so if someone gets my drive (even if it is off) it would be technically possible to get the PW?
[15:10] <coz_> wendico,  well y ou can set the cube in Unity,,
[15:10] <wendico> y just solved the conflicts, i try unity now, BRB
[15:10] <lloowen> BluesKaj: The graphic card is nVidia.
[15:11] <Centallith> Yeah, wendico, Cube is a terrible idea. That is the first way I screwed my Unity up. Is everything resolved?
[15:11] <coz_> wendico,  it is not,,at least at this time,, so  elegant,,but it will work
[15:11] <wendico> reloging....
[15:11] <pozic> Does Unity make other 3D applications run slower?
[15:11] <coz_> pozic,  like which?
[15:12] <BorgTK2001> no real evidence of that, pozic, but I haven't run the benchmarks :)
[15:12] <pozic> coz_: like WebGL stuff.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> lloowen, open admin/additional drivers,make ure you choose the recommended drive , then install, once installed yo'll have to reboot.
[15:13] <coz_> pozic,   ,, I dont think it is compiz directly,, it may be the video chip , whichever you use,, however ,, 3d apps tend to be far more resource intensive
[15:13] <BluesKaj> driver lloowen
[15:13] <Guest60376> hai
[15:14] <mouse> How do I increase how fast my mouse sidescrolls with the mousewheel?
[15:14] <Centallith> How would I go about making my current user Root without the Sudo command from the Terminal? I want to log in as root and carry out all my operations that way.
[15:14] <coz_> pozic,  on Natty/ Unity  it is more difficult in that you really cant disable compiz to run a 3d application to save on resources
[15:14] <BorgTK2001> Hello Guest60376. Can we help?
[15:14] <pozic> coz_: I think Unity takes up video memory.
[15:14] <pozic> coz_: it should unload all that memory before a 3d app is started.
[15:14] <Lekensteyn> Centallith: sudo su
[15:14] <BorgTK2001> pozic - not Unity directly, but Compiz ;)
[15:14] <Jaime771> Wow! 1568 members!
[15:14] <escott> Centallith, sudo -i
[15:14] <pozic> BorgTK2001: I am not even sure whether I use Compiz.
[15:15] <pozic> BorgTK2001: is it default in 11.04?
[15:15] <coz_> pozic,  it certainly does,, however, just remember that this Unity is based on compiz as the compositor and it is new,, give it time,,
[15:15] <pozic> coz_: if I install unity2d, I will not have this problem, right?
[15:15] <Jaime771> #dungeondefenders
[15:15] <BorgTK2001> I know I don't [on my 10.04.2LTS], as it randomly crashes. Metacity for me with no wobbly windows
[15:15] <pozic> coz_: I don't care about fancy stuff, which uses resources that my apps need.
[15:15] <coz_> pozic,  right,, unity2d will not eat up the resources as much as the 3d
[15:16] <pozic> I don't have wobbly Windows now.
[15:16] <pozic> I already disabled it in Gnome.
[15:16] <PwrSurge> you mean wiggly waffles?
[15:16] <PwrSurge> ;p
[15:16] <coz_> pozic   then try the 2d
[15:16] <JoshuaL> i loved wobbly windows :(
[15:16] <BorgTK2001> JoshuaL: Same :)
[15:16] <m3asmi> how can I find the java policy in ubuntu ?!
[15:16] <coz_> pozic,  i found the unity2d just as effective so no real loss there
[15:16] <PwrSurge> wibbily wubily
[15:17] <Jaime771> BorgTK2001: why is it that sometimes when I connect I get an underscore after my name?
[15:17] <pozic> coz_: it is already installed.
[15:17] <BorgTK2001> And 'Cube' - as a cylinder, though
[15:17] <coz_> pozic,  cool then log onto unity2d and tell me how it works for you :)
[15:17] <BorgTK2001> Jaime771: That could be a strange IRC logout/login issue
[15:17] <Centallith> Uh oh... I just realized I somehow removed the "Applications" and "Files and Folders" from my Unity taskbar. Where do I find these to put them back on?
[15:17] <Lekensteyn> m3asmi: what policy? All settings are stored in ~/.java (for sun-java6) or ~/.icedtea or ~/.icedteaplugin  (for openjdk)
[15:17] <Centallith> Sorry. I'm full of issue today.
[15:18] <BorgTK2001> The underscore could be from a 'ghost' already here as the non-underscore name
[15:18] <PwrSurge> that's one of the few reasons I am holding off in upgrading to 11.04
[15:18] <BorgTK2001> PwrSurge: Wait [like me] for 12.04LTS ;)
[15:19] <helpme> how to check that direct rendering is on in natty?
[15:19] <Arachon> I just installed network-manager-gnome, but I can't see the network  manager applet...
[15:19] <escott> helpme, glxinfo
[15:20] <m3asmi> lekenstey , I wich grant permition in that file (java policy)
[15:20] <m3asmi> Lekensteyn: I wich grant permition in that file (java policy)
[15:20] <killerklown> hi everybody
[15:20] <killerklown> does anybody knows where i could get help on updating my ubuntu netbook remix to the newest version ?
[15:21] <Tuhin> Ub 10.10 not connecting to router(through 1Gbit switch) after the swithc is added
[15:21] <blackhorse> hi
[15:21] <helpme> how do i install CAll of Duty world at war on natty>
[15:21] <Tuhin> i have set the wired ethernet to connect automatically
[15:21] <killerklown> the repositories are all offline
[15:21] <BorgTK2001> helpme: ?
[15:21] <BorgTK2001> Call of duty on Linux? They have a native binary?
[15:21] <blackhorse> can u help me???
[15:21] <killerklown> and i can't get my jaunty to upgrade /update
[15:22] <BorgTK2001> blackhorse: we can try :) What's your issue
[15:22] <mxp> hey i am using unity now
[15:22] <helpme> BorgTK2001: its possible to play COD on linux
[15:22] <mxp> how can i add network activity graphs ?
[15:22] <mxp> to ma top panel
[15:22] <mxp> is there any network activity indication system
[15:22] <BorgTK2001> helpme: not likely as running on Windows
[15:22] <BorgTK2001> But WINE may help, helpme
[15:22] <killerklown> @borg lol
[15:22] <BorgTK2001> But could be laggy in-game
[15:22] <helpme> BorgTK2001: FPS gets better than windows
[15:23] <chewbacca> mxp : conky
[15:23] <blackhorse> why in ubuntu 10,04 LTS,, my computer can't detect LAN card atheros????
[15:23] <helpme> BorgTK2001: http://www.ehow.com/how_5941905_install-call-duty-ubuntu.html
[15:23] <ikonia> helpme: look on the wine application database which will give you an idea as to compatiblility and performance
[15:23] <mxp> chewbacca, that would be on desktop right?
[15:23] <chewbacca> yes
[15:23] <BorgTK2001> helpme: definatky if CoD has linux native files, it will work much better than windows
[15:23] <ikonia> BorgTK2001: define "can't detect"
[15:23] <ikonia> BorgTK2001: it doesn't
[15:24] <ikonia> blackhorse: define can't detect
[15:24] <helpme> ikonia: i have wine but the install part of COD gives errors
[15:24] <mxp> how can i make that applet appear in my panel like bluetooth icon
[15:24] <mxp> any applet ?
[15:24] <ikonia> helpme: ok - so as I said check the wine application database to see it's support and compatibility levels
[15:24] <escott> mxp, check omg ubuntu they had one a couple days ago
[15:25] <BorgTK2001> http://appdb.winehq.org/ - helpme
[15:25] <mxp> escott, i am looking at that cant find it
[15:25] <killerklown> does anybody knows where i could get help on updating my ubuntu netbook remix to the newest version ?
[15:25] <killerklown> the repositories are all offline
[15:25] <killerklown> and i can't get my jaunty to upgrade /update
[15:25] <ikonia> killerklown: which repos are down
[15:25] <killerklown> the old jaunty
[15:25] <ikonia> killerklown: on which host ?
[15:25] <BorgTK2001> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1346 for CoD
[15:25] <blackhorse> ikonia: I can't connect with my modem... why guys???
[15:26] <ikonia> blackhorse: ok - so now you're asking about a modem, a minute ago you where asking about a network card
[15:26] <escott> mxp, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/indicator-multiload-is-a-gnome-applet-style-system-monitor-for-your-desktop-panel/
[15:26] <BorgTK2001> blackhorse: 56Kb modem?
[15:27] <killerklown> @ ikonia : i get (among others ) this message : Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/source/Sources  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.171 80]
[15:27] <ikonia> !oldrelease | killerklown
[15:28] <killerklown> i know it' an old release
[15:28] <BorgTK2001> killerklown: I don't think JJ is kept alive anymore
[15:28] <fooman2011> re hi
[15:28] <killerklown> is there a way to update from JJ to something newer ?
[15:28] <ikonia> killerklown: ok, so why are you not looking on the old release server ?
[15:28] <ikonia> fooman2011: how did you get on with your raid
[15:28] <BorgTK2001> killerklown: yep
[15:28] <fooman2011> hey ikonia
[15:28] <fooman2011> thank you my raid is ok now :)
[15:28] <pozic> I don't see any difference when I do that.
[15:29] <ikonia> fooman2011: that's great nes
[15:29] <killerklown> because i have no idea how to do it :-) ?
[15:29] <fooman2011> I have a new problem about the Wake on lan now
[15:29] <ikonia> news
[15:29] <fooman2011> it's a strange problem
[15:29] <ikonia> killerklown: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[15:30] <BorgTK2001> killerklown: Not offical, but: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu9.04-jaunty-jackalope-to-9.10-karmic-koala-desktop-and-server
[15:30] <jm__> hello how can i change the name of a file under xubuntu please'
[15:30] <ikonia> !upgrade | killerklown
[15:30] <ikonia> that is official
[15:30] <fooman2011> When the user stop the PC using the "halt" command, the wake on lan is OK (I mean i can turn on the PC from a webpage). But when a script called by cron turn off the PC (using "halt" too) the wake on lan is NOK.
[15:31] <killerklown> thx both of you guys, you rock !
[15:31] <pozic> Why don't Unity and Unity2d share the same menu entries?
[15:31] <BorgTK2001> pozic, I think they will by the time 12.04LTS comes around
[15:31] <ikonia> fooman2011: I'm surprised, I'd expect "halt" to not have WOL enabled
[15:31] <fooman2011> I have tried to add "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" in /etc/rc.local and /etc/network/interface without any success
[15:31] <BorgTK2001> but this time around, 10.04 is a test bed for unity-2d
[15:32] <pozic> BorgTK2001: I detect sarcasm.
[15:32] <BorgTK2001> 10.04 should be 11.04
[15:32] <jm__> any xubunter here'
[15:32] <Shaba1> what is and xubunter?
[15:32] <fooman2011> ikonia: it's seems to be more secure to unactive WOL at shutdown...
[15:32] <ikonia> jm__: #xubuntu and just ask the question
[15:32] <Centallith> A user that uses Xubuntu.
[15:32] <jm__> than
[15:33] <llutz> fooman2011: place a short script containing  "/sbin/ethtool -s ethX wol g" in /etc/network/if-down.d/
[15:33] <ikonia> fooman2011: I'm just surprised WOL responds at all after a halt
[15:33] <jack_bt5> hi guys - just quickly i am trying to connect to #backtack-linux but it says i am banned
[15:33] <BorgTK2001> pozic: deadly serious. I'm an LTS user exclusivly, and very disappointed Unity is not available for me till 12.04
[15:33] <Centallith> Okay, so is there anyone who knows how to restore the "Applications" launcher to the Unity dock? I seem to have removed it somehow.
[15:33] <ikonia> jack_bt5: ask for help in #freenode
[15:33] <fooman2011> llutz: ok thank (what is this directoy ?
[15:33] <fooman2011> )
[15:33] <jack_bt5> thank you
[15:34] <pozic> BorgTK2001: well, I can certainly understand why they did that.
[15:34] <llutz> fooman2011: script in there will be run after network-iface is taken down (ifupdown/network-manager)
[15:34] <pozic> BorgTK2001: Gnome 2.2<high> was a good release.
[15:34] <bullgard4> [OO.o 3.2, HSQLDB] My OO.o database Base form opens showing the record #44679. How can I chang this to #1?
[15:34] <pozic> BorgTK2001: Unity didn't crash for me yet, but otherwise is simply not finished.
[15:34] <ikonia> bullgard4: #openoffice.org
[15:35] <BorgTK2001> pozic: I really love Lucid - very so very stable
[15:35] <pozic> BorgTK2001: I liked 10.10.
[15:35] <zxiest> Hello :-)
[15:35] <BorgTK2001> pozic: Unity is definitely not finished yet :)
[15:35] <zxiest> If I stop a service, would it restart when the server reboots?
[15:35] <ikonia> zxiest: depends if the service is set to auto start
[15:35] <pozic> BorgTK2001: I like the double tab to get to the starter menu.
[15:36] <zxiest> ikonia how can I check whether a service is set to auto start?
[15:36] <pozic> Heh, it appears to be a single tap in 2d.
[15:36] <BorgTK2001> pozic: :)
[15:36] <pozic> Consistency went -> that way.
[15:36] <ikonia> !upstart | zxiest
[15:36] <zxiest> ubottu thanks -)
[15:36] <zxiest> ikonia thanks =)
[15:36] <zxiest> lol
[15:37] <vibhav> zxiest, You thanked ubottu?
[15:37] <zxiest> vibhav auto complete fails
[15:37] <zxiest> fail*
[15:37] <vibhav> ooo
[15:37] <pozic> vibhav: there is no need to discriminate bots.
[15:37] <pozic> vibhav: you are one too after all.
[15:38] <vibhav> vibhav,  Oh really?
[15:38] <pozic> vibhav: yes, you are a finite state automaton with finite life-span in a finite universe.
[15:38] <ikonia> guys, please not in the support channel
[15:39] <vibhav> We are all discussing offtopic thingies , lets go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:39] <vibhav> ikonia, OK
[15:40] <fooman2011> llutz: i tried. i have added the script
[15:40] <bullgard4> ikonia: I know #ubuntuoffice.org. Do you?
[15:40] <fooman2011> llutz: seems doesn't work :(
[15:40] <ikonia> bullgard4: I don't know that channel, only #openoffice.org
[15:40] <bullgard4> ikonia: I know #openoffice.org. Do you?
[15:40] <ikonia> bullgard4: yes, that's why I asked you to take you're question to the channel
[15:41] <mads-> How would I recover the history from another user on my computer? I have sudo access
[15:42] <ikonia> mads-: look at their .bash_history file in their home dir
[15:42] <mads-> thanks
[15:44] <GregAce> hi
[15:44] <pozic> Byobu says that F9 should bring up the menu, but it doesn't. The other F keybindings do work.
[15:44] <pozic> How can I get F9 to do something useful?
[15:44] <BorgTK2001> Hi GregAce - can we help?
[15:44] <GregAce> hey guys I have a problem with my keyboard
[15:44] <BorgTK2001> OKies, GregAce
[15:44] <GregAce> @BorgTK2001, yep
[15:45] <GregAce> my keyboard is doing something funny
[15:45] <GregAce> working well here
[15:45] <GregAce> but in the terminal is doing funny stuff
[15:46] <escott> pozic, double check that f9 isn't bound to something else in the window manager with ccsm (compiz) or gconftool (metacity)
[15:46] <GregAce> but only when I'm editing someting in VI or installing stuff with cpan
[15:46] <GregAce> you guys have any idea what it could be ?
[15:46] <ikonia> GregAce: why don't you just tell us the problem instead of explaining nothing
[15:46] <ikonia> GregAce: "something funny" is pointless information
[15:47] <GregAce> ok fair enough
[15:47] <bullgard4> ikonia: The DEB program package openoffice.org-base has even the word "ubuntu" in its installed version number: 1.3.3.0-7ubuntu4.2. And you are telling me that this does not belong to Ubuntu.
[15:47] <BorgTK2001> GregAce: A US keyboard or someother keyboard layout?
[15:47] <sahip> hello, I am going to buy a new desktop computer, how can I make sure that its drivers are linux-compatible?
[15:47] <ikonia> bullgard4: I'm telling you learning how to use openoffice would be better served in #openoffice.org
[15:47] <GregAce> when i write it's nothe writting the right stroke
[15:47] <aeon-ltd> sahip: theres no quick way except look up the specs and then come back here or google to check
[15:48] <ikonia> GregAce: this may sound insulting (apologies if it does) but do you know how to use vi, eg insert mode
[15:48] <BorgTK2001> For example, GregAce ?
[15:48] <VCoolio> sahip: google the video
[15:48] <GregAce> and the combination ctrl+arrow is making
[15:48] <GregAce> [[A
[15:48] <VCoolio> sahip: video card, that's where the problem may be, the rest should work
[15:48] <GregAce> BorgTK2001, yep us layout
[15:49] <sahip> I know the specs... what page can I use to confirm that the graphics card is compatible?,
[15:49] <BorgTK2001> GregAce: who's been giving you instructions to use vi?
[15:49] <ikonia> !hcl | sahip
[15:49] <GregAce> it does that has well in cpan
[15:49] <ikonia> GregAce: "in cpan" ?
[15:49] <BorgTK2001> as gedit will suffice ;)
[15:50] <GregAce> cpan is the perl module installer
[15:50] <sahip> ikonia:  is it the same case for other distributions?
[15:50] <ikonia> GregAce: yes, but "in cpan"
[15:50] <GregAce> agreed but that's not the point here
[15:50] <vibhav> sahip, http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/36813
[15:50] <ikonia> sahip: other distributions have different supported/unsupported hardware, this is just for ubuntu
[15:50] <sahip> v
[15:50] <sahip> vibhab, looking at that
[15:51] <ikonia> vibhav: look at the date on that, 2004 !
[15:51] <BorgTK2001> GregAce: vi uses shoddy [In My Opinion] key inputs
[15:51] <ikonia> vibhav: do you really think that is a valid supported list for 2011 ?
[15:51] <fooman2011> When the user stop the PC using the "halt" command, the wake on lan is OK (I mean i can turn on the PC from a webpage). But when a script called by cron turn off the PC (using "halt" too) the wake on lan is NOK. All manipulations that i have made desicribed here => http://pastebin.com/FxfRcAFf   Thanks for your help...
[15:51] <vibhav> ikonia,  Lemmee see
[15:51] <jack_bt5> thanks a lot
[15:51] <GregAce> for example I press the upward arrow in vi and it's printin "A"
[15:51] <ikonia> vibhav: you've not even read it and your recommending it ?
[15:51] <ikonia> GregAce: that's termcap, up arrow is not a valid vi input
[15:52] <BorgTK2001> Up-arrow in vi does NOT do what we would normally expect
[15:52] <vibhav> sahip, http://www.directron.com/linuxguide.html
[15:52] <ikonia> vibhav: stop now
[15:52] <vibhav> ikonia,  This is a good guide
[15:52] <BorgTK2001> vi is for people like Richard Stallman
[15:52] <ikonia> vibhav: stop recommending random links to people that you have not read
[15:52] <ikonia> bullgard4: no, it's not
[15:52] <BorgTK2001> Use gedit instead
[15:52] <GregAce> when I press the key "P" it's printing "C"
[15:52] <ikonia> bullgard4: sorry, not you
[15:52] <vibhav> ikonia,  I am reading it right now
[15:52] <ikonia> BorgTK2001: no it's not, people can use what editor they want
[15:53] <GregAce> BorgTK2001,  shoddy ?
[15:53] <ikonia> vibhav: read it BEFORE recommending it
[15:53] <ikonia> sahip: I suggest you ignore vibhav's links
[15:53] <BorgTK2001> ikonia: They certainly can :)
[15:53] <BorgTK2001> GregAce: shoddy do to the very problem you are having
[15:53] <BorgTK2001> do = due
[15:53] <waveshaper> amazing. I have to google on how to disable my own machines sleep mode. it just amazes me that certain OS companies doesnt get HCI at all
[15:54] <yeastwars> ever since I updated from i to m, flash has been eating 80-90% cpu (mostly video, but also happens with simpler programs). Halp?
[15:54] <BorgTK2001> GregAce - you just have to put up with that in vi, nothing can be done about that
[15:54] <JoshuaL> waveshaper, if you have any better idea on how to implement it, share it at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ :)
[15:54] <GregAce> BorgTK2001, I usderstand what you're saying but I want to fix that keyboard problem
[15:54] <waveshaper> oh sry. this was a win7 rant :/
[15:55] <vibhav> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialHardware.html ikonia
[15:55] <waveshaper> not ubuntu at all
[15:55] <BorgTK2001> GregAce: you cannot in vi
[15:55] <ikonia> GregAce: it's not a keyboard problem
[15:55] <GregAce> it's not normal that when I press "P" it writtes C
[15:55] <BorgTK2001> Those keyboard errors are hardcoded into vi, GregAce, not your keyboard
[15:55] <fooman2011> is it normal to have to modifiy the halt script ??
[15:55] <sahip> ikonia: why should I ignore his links??
[15:55] <GregAce> mmm kay
[15:55] <ikonia> sahip: because they are old and not relevant
[15:55] <BorgTK2001> You have to scream and shout at Richard Stallman if you want the vi keys to change
[15:56] <sahip> ikonia: okay, thanks
[15:56] <yeastwars> BorgTK2001: er, he's an emacs dev
[15:56] <GregAce> i've google shoddy can't find anything
[15:56] <ikonia> BorgTK2001: STOP referencing richard stallman,
[15:56] <ikonia> GregAce: the problem is your termcap sends more strict input to applications such as "vim"
[15:56] <GregAce> haha sorry I've strated that fight guys
[15:56] <yeastwars> GregAce: if you haven't guessed yet, this channel is useless. Try #vim?
[15:56] <BorgTK2001> I don't like RMS, but I do like Torvalds
[15:56] <ikonia> GregAce: other distros use different termcaps to example so the arrows sill send, h,j,k,l to vi to emmulate it
[15:57] <GregAce> ok,
[15:57] <detrix42> how do I install an older version of a program. Devede in particular is not working with current version.
[15:57] <ikonia> BorgTK2001: I'm not interested in who you like, stop referencing stallman in a derogatory way
[15:57] <fooman2011> mmh it seems that no one can help me here :(  Do you know another place where i can find help please ?
[15:58] <GregAce> anyway thanks guys
[15:58] <BorgTK2001> ikonia: Done and done :)
[15:58] <arand> GregAce: You may want to use vim insteadd of vi.
[15:58] <GregAce> i'll try that but as I stated is does this as well in cpan
[15:58] <GregAce> so I though it was relatred to my keyboard config
[15:59] <jongbergs> I would like to find some useful resources preferable presentation that will serve as instructional materials regarding Intro to Linux/Ubuntu designed for beginners.
[15:59] <arand> GregAce: It is simply the case that vi and possibly cpan then, was never intendded to be navigated via the arrow keys.
[16:00] <ejv> my "intro" for beginners was RUTE jongbergs, http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz
[16:01] <Corey> ejv: Lucky, I got to build Linux From Scratch.
[16:01] <silvano> salve
[16:01] <silvano> sorry
[16:01] <ejv> it's a very comprehensive how-to, i read it in 2002 or 2003, it's been a while ;)
[16:02] <mun__> hi
[16:02] <ejv> (there is very little that's not covered)
[16:03] <GregAce> used vim and it works fine
[16:03] <mun__> does anyone know why after a bit of upgrading, clicking on the link to a downloaded file in firefox, chrome, opens up the download directory rather than the file itself?
[16:03] <GregAce> dunno what's wrong with vi
[16:04] <Corey> ejv: Heh, there are a few things I wasn't aware of in there.  What a great doc. :-)
[16:04] <jongbergs> ejv let me check..many thanks for that..
[16:05] <TimS> On ubuntu server on the command line, just inserted a disk which I want to use to install some packages, how can I mount this disk?
[16:05] <ejv> Corey: ;)
[16:05] <TimS> And I don't have a clue which /dev it is
[16:05] <BorgTK2001> TimS: You mean as a repository?
[16:05] <TimS> Yeah
[16:05] <ejv> jongbergs: no problem :)
[16:06] <ejv> the stupid ubuntu in 24 hours or dummies books don't really compare, (IMHO)
[16:07] <BorgTK2001> I think you can add a CD repo in Software Sources
[16:07] <llutz> TimS: sudo apt-cdrom add
[16:07] <Daniel0108> I installed postfix but the installation interrupted, now when I'm trying to install a package I just get: Errors were encountered while processing : postfix
[16:08] <TimS> I haven't mounted it yet, does it matter?
[16:08] <BorgTK2001> TimS: it hasn't automounted?
[16:08] <TimS> Ooh, err, I don't think so
[16:08] <johnnee> hello everyone.. i messed up my grub and can't seem to fix it and get the menu, so now both ubuntu or windows won't boot.. need an expert to help me please..
[16:08] <Daniel0108> okay, I fixed it, I removed postfix and installed it again ;)
[16:08] <`alz1> is linux worth switching to ?
[16:08] <saito> hola algun argentino
[16:09] <BorgTK2001> `alz1: That is a loaded question in here ;)
[16:09] <yeastwars> way to break sloppy focus, ubuntu
[16:09] <TimS> oh the command seems to have mounted it
[16:09] <BorgTK2001> I say, yes, naturally, `alz1
[16:09] <TimS> Ugh, it failed
[16:09] <TimS> Failed to mount dev/sr0, de/sr1
[16:09] <pozic> escott: How can I do that?
[16:10] <mun__> does anyone know why xdg-open opens all file formats in nautilus-elementary, rather than the associated application?
[16:10] <BorgTK2001> How did you make the CD in the first place, TimS ?
[16:10] <pozic> `alz1: dual-boot does not require a switch.
[16:10] <TimS> Burned it
[16:10] <johnnee> hello everyone.. i messed up my grub and can't seem to fix it and get the menu, so now both ubuntu or windows won't boot.. need an expert to help me please..
[16:10] <TimS> its the server disk, it installed fine
[16:10] <TimS> it is mounted
[16:10] <pozic> `alz1: you can also run it virtualized.
[16:10] <BorgTK2001> :) I am sorry, I meant something like: did you use apt-on-cd or similar?
[16:10] <`alz1> borg anyone i know who switched to linux went back to win made me wonder what made them
[16:10] <TimS> but it cant find any packages on it now
[16:11] <BorgTK2001> or just coppied .deb files to a CD
[16:11] <ejv> johnnee: sounds like you should boot your rescue mode or try  livecd, for starters ;)
[16:11] <TimS> No, I'm just trying to install packages that are on the original cd
[16:11] <ejv> johnnee: if your boot menu is completely inaccessible, livecd for sure ;)
[16:11] <BorgTK2001> `alz1: I have used Ubutnu since 6.06 and not looked back. windows only for gaming - everything else Ubuntu all the way
[16:12] <`alz1> cool
[16:12] <`alz1> how compatible is it with win based softares ?
[16:13] <`alz1> w*
[16:13] <johnnee> i have live cd, and using it now ejv.. can you tell me what the next step should be... im real new to ubuntu and don't have a clue
[16:13] <BorgTK2001> Not at all, `alz1, but that's the point. It get's close with WINE, though
[16:13] <ejv> not very compatible lol, unless you try WINE :)
[16:13] <`alz1> will i have problem finding replacements for soft i am used to use ?
[16:13] <Skunkwaffle> Just did a fresh instal of Lucid and after the initial update, I seem to have lost all ability to connect to the interent. Has anyone heard of anything like this before?
[16:13] <xangua> !wine | `alz1
[16:13] <skrip> i didnt managed to fix the problem with my Wireless internt can someone send me a private message to help me
[16:13] <xangua> better to use native software
[16:13] <edbian> johnnee: Is this Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[16:14] <ejv> if you play any games at all... best to stay in windos land
[16:14] <ejv> +w
[16:14] <Daniel0108> okay, that didn't fix the problem, I don't know what to do, I can't install anything, I just get this error: http://pastebin.com/MMm3Sx92
[16:14] <reliableNerd> `alz1, I play several games using either WINE or CrossOver Games -- including World of Warcraft, they all run well for me.
[16:14] <reliableNerd> Thank goodness though when I had my baby I quit WoW.  But while I did play, I had no problems.
[16:15] <`alz1> that sound like emulation whci usually is a bit of a drag
[16:15] <BorgTK2001> as some of reliableNerd 's games work, mine [Homeworld 2] do not :(
[16:15] <reliableNerd> `alz1, WINE stands for Wine is not an Emulator
[16:15] <BluesKaj> `alz1, , I've dual booted windows and linux off and on for 7yrs and now kubuntu is my only OS ...no need for windows at all
[16:15] <johnnee> well it was 10.10, and i got some automatic update and wouldn't boot since, but i still could see the menu, but only windows could load, so i got a live cd of 11.04 and tried to edit/fix grub, but now i only get grub rescue> prompt..
[16:15] <BorgTK2001> WINE trys to reverse engineer/backwards compateable direct calls to hardware
[16:16] <BorgTK2001> but since Microsoft doesn't release the code to windows, WINE has to guess the calls
[16:16] <ejv> johnnee: im not sure grub has changed at all (installation wise) from 1.0 to 2.0, but just 'sudo grub' then 'root (hd0,0)' then 'setup (hd0)' then 'exit' and reboot. the boot menu should in theory resurface...
[16:16] <BorgTK2001> Guess's them well, but not 100%
[16:16] <`alz1> sounds  like  java /.NET interpreted stuff
[16:17] <Pwer> I am having trouble installing gitosis, gitosis-init fails with the message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614585/
[16:18] <edbian> johnnee: So the live CD is 11.04 and the installed system is 10.10 in between upgrades?
[16:18] <`alz1> are there any msft programs that are better ran on msft only os rather than via wine ?
[16:18] <ejv> johnnee: there's extensive documentation here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#Restoring%20GRUB have fun :)
[16:19] <Skunkwaffle> Could someone please get me pointed in the right direction? I just did an update on Lucid, and it seems to have removed my network manager. Now I can't get online with my other computer at all. Anyone know how to fix this?
[16:19] <johnnee> ejv, edbian: that's the commands i tried when i read the forums and was advised to use, but that made me lose the menu altogether and now even windows won't load.. if you have time can you teamviewer into my pc and fix this issue please?
[16:19] <skilz> hey guys I installed Ubuntu on my emachines laptop, now when I rebooted after installing, it boots up but does local the graphical login screen, so I login via console and try startx and just a blank screen
[16:20] <edbian> johnnee: I won't teamview in but I will teach you how to fix it.  It's only one command.  How's that sound??
[16:20] <johnnee> edbian: yes is the answer to your question, but ialso have a 10.10 live cd also
[16:20] <edbian> johnnee: Grab and boot the 10.10 live CD.  I am more confident about the grub-install command that is on that live CD.
[16:20] <root> quit
[16:21] <edbian> root: join
[16:21] <skrip> Hey can someone help me with my wireless card problem Pm me please
[16:21] <xangua> !anyone | skrip
[16:21] <edbian> skrip: What card do you have?
[16:22] <skrip> Broadcom B4311
[16:22] <fooman2011> ok I ask one more time my question because i dont find a solution ... :(
[16:22] <fooman2011> When the user stop the PC using the "halt" command, the wake on lan is OK (I mean i can turn on the PC from a webpage). But when a script called by cron turn off the PC (using "halt" too) the wake on lan is NOK. All manipulations that i have made desicribed here => http://pastebin.com/FxfRcAFf   Thanks for your help...
[16:22] <johnnee> edbian: oh man it took me long enough to get to this point where i can join this chat channel, not sure if i can get back on so you can continue helping me..
[16:23] <edbian> johnnee: Sure, no big deal.  You're on a 11.04 live CD then right now?
[16:23] <peter__> salute a tutti ho un problema con il wireless, qualcuno mi può aiutare?
[16:23] <edbian> johnnee: Do you have more than one harddrive?
[16:23] <edbian> skrip: Are you online some other way?
[16:23] <xangua> !it | peter__
[16:24] <pozic> peter__: I think you wanted to say: Hello to everyone I have a problem with the wireless, anyone who can help me?
[16:24] <skrip> yes with wired network
[16:24] <edbian> skrip: sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[16:24] <edbian> skrip: That installs the firmware for the card
[16:24] <`alz1> is there any difference betw 32 and 64 bit ubuntu versions in stability /performance etc  (my machine is 64 bit) ?
[16:24] <johnnee> edbian: YES, im on live cd 11.04... if i could just get my windows back, im open to back up some important files and reinstall both... i have an external drive i can connect via usb also.
[16:24] <edbian> skrip: sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter   (this installs a program that extracts and uses the firmware on each boot)
[16:25] <Skunkwaffle> Hello to everyone I have a problem with the wireless & wired, anyone who can help me?
[16:25] <ikonia> Skunkwaffle: ask the question
[16:25] <skrip> done that already
[16:25] <edbian> johnnee: first you need to mount the ubuntu partition.  sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mnt   You can figure out what number X should be by looking at the output of sudo fdisk -l
[16:25] <Skunkwaffle> Just did a fresh instal of Lucid and after the initial update, I seem to have lost all ability to connect to the internet. Has anyone heard of anything like this before?
[16:25] <edbian> skrip: sudo modprobe b43  and it should spring to life
[16:26] <ikonia> Skunkwaffle: could you explain the problem a bit more than "doesn't work"
[16:26] <edbian> skrip: What guide did you follow?
[16:26] <jongbergs> `alz1: Hope this helps.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[16:26] <peter__> hi all
[16:26] <sahip> his ati 4850, does anyone use this graphics card?  is it linux compatible?
[16:26] <anddam> hello
[16:26] <johnnee> i did that edbian
[16:26] <peter__> i've a problem during install madwifi
[16:26] <ikonia> sahip: what does the HCL list say ?
[16:26] <skrip> op that last command work thanks ... what exact did it does?
[16:26] <peter__> anyone can help me?
[16:26] <jaggy> sahip: I'm currently on 4650
[16:26] <fooman2011> ikonia: do you have any idea why the halt command called from a user doesn't have the same result than the halt command call from the cron ?
[16:26] <edbian> johnnee: awesome.  So if you go into /mnt you see the files for your Ubuntu system right?  It should NOT be an empty folder
[16:27] <Skunkwaffle> I just did an update on Lucid, and it seems to have removed my network manager.
[16:27] <ikonia> fooman2011: no, I'm surprised as to what it works
[16:27] <anddam> can I add an icon in Launcher for all Games?
[16:27] <edbian> skrip: It inserts the module into the kernel.  It's like turning the driver on.  What guide did you follow that is missing that command?
[16:27] <ikonia> Skunkwaffle: so you don't have the network manager applet any more ?
[16:27] <sahip> ikonia: I am afraid you have to link that again... I reconnected
[16:27] <xangua> peter__: madwifi is no longer supported i believe, i mean it's alredy incluided in the kernel
[16:27] <fooman2011> ikonia: how that ? that's the wake on lan principle
[16:27] <edbian> anddam: Yes, write a script that launches all the games, write a launcher that calls the script
[16:27] <ikonia> !hcl | sahip
[16:27] <fooman2011> ikonia: wake up a PC from the network
[16:27] <`alz1> thanks john
[16:28] <anddam> edbian: why should a script launch all the games?
[16:28] <Skunkwaffle> ikonia: No, it looks like it's gone
[16:28] <xangua> Skunkwaffle: run: nm-applet &
[16:28] <edbian> anddam: Because the launcher can only launch one command.
[16:28] <ikonia> fooman2011: yes, but halt is not "sleep" or a wol configuration
[16:28] <ikonia> Skunkwaffle: can you re-add it from the applets menu ?
[16:28] <xangua> Skunkwaffle: it's gone like, it not installed¿
[16:28] <Guest32609> hey
[16:28] <edbian> Guest32609: hello
[16:28] <fooman2011> ikonia: i mean Wake on lan = Turn ON PC from network
[16:28] <anddam> edbian: how do Application and Files&Folder work?
[16:28] <Skunkwaffle> it just tells me which packages contain it, but without a network connection, I can't install them
[16:28] <ikonia> fooman2011: yup, but if you "halt" the OS - then it's shutdown
[16:29] <johnnee> edbian, i can see the contents both in terminal and in the explorer like GUI
[16:29] <ikonia> fooman2011: so therefore it shouldn't effect WOL
[16:29] <edbian> anddam: How do applications work?
[16:29] <ikonia> fooman2011: the bios controls WOL
[16:29] <skrip> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Ubuntu.2BAC8-Debian
[16:29] <skrip> this one
[16:29] <Skunkwaffle> xangua: Yes, it's gona.
[16:29] <fooman2011> ikonia: yes but the hardware still listen magic macket from the network
[16:29] <Skunkwaffle> *gone
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> have this setup               Disk /dev/sda: 42.9 GB, 42949672960 bytes
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 5221 cylinders
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> Disk identifier: 0x00060329
[16:29] <ghfhfggh>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[16:29] <fooman2011> "magic packet"
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> /dev/sda1   *           1          32      248832   83  Linux
[16:29] <ikonia> fooman2011: yup, but nothing to do with the OS
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[16:29] <xangua> grrr
[16:29] <FloodBot1> ghfhfggh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> /dev/sda2              32        5222    41692161    5  Extended
[16:29] <anddam> edbian: not application, "Application" capital 'A' like in the Launcher standard icon in 11.04
[16:29] <ghfhfggh> /dev/sda5              32        2089    16525312   8e  Linux LVM
[16:29] <Zizzu> <.<
[16:29] <edbian> johnnee: Excellent.  sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot/ /dev/sda
[16:29] <fooman2011> ikonia: yes because OS turn Off WOL be default to avoid security problems
[16:30] <llutz> ikonia: it has, since the nic has to be enabled to listen for magic-packets when shutting down OS
[16:30] <ikonia> fooman2011: yes, I'd expect halt to turn it off
[16:30] <edbian> anddam: Oh, umm, I'm not sure how it populates.  I'm sure it's documented if you google it. What are you trying to accomplish?
[16:30] <ikonia> llutz: yup, but as I was saying earlier, the "halt" command, I'd expect it to turn it off
[16:30] <fooman2011> ikonia: In my /etc/init/r/halt file i pu the NETDOWN parameter to "no"
[16:30] <anddam> edbian: have an icon to browse only a specific section rather than "All applications"
[16:31] <Skunkwaffle> Is there any kind of alternative way to connect, so I can download the packages I need to do this the usual way
[16:31] <llutz> ikonia: even "halt" runs scripts for system-shutdown
[16:31] <edbian> skrip: That guide does not appear to do sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[16:31] <TomSlominski> hello. i have problems with burning ubuntu to a usb disk in Fedora 15. when I burn it using livecd-iso-to-disk, I boot and get this: /casper/vmlinuz not found. when I use unetbootin, i get the same error but a different file is missing. i tried 2 different images, and both produced the same problems
[16:31] <ikonia> llutz: yes,
[16:31] <edbian> anddam: Ahhh, yeah that sounds possible
[16:31] <ikonia> fooman2011: not %100 relevant, but interesting http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/halt-breaks-wol-812422/
[16:31] <fooman2011> llutz: i tried to add my script where you told me => no effect :(
[16:31] <edbian> johnnee: What's it saying?
[16:32] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: did you try on the the command line on the terminal to see if networking works?
[16:32] <skrip> i had done  that manually :D
[16:32] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: I tried, I haven't been able to get anything to work though
[16:32] <edbian> skrip: Haha, that stinks
[16:33] <edbian> skrip: Should have come ask me sooner!!
[16:33] <edbian> ;)
[16:33] <fooman2011> ikonia: yeah thanks i have already tried this. But as i saied my WakeOnLan is OK when a user call explicitly the halt command. But when the cron call it the WakeOnLan is not OK...
[16:33] <Skunkwaffle> All I get is messages telling me which packages I need to install, but since I can't get online, I can't install the packages.
[16:33] <jaggy> hey does anybody know a good website to download a bunch of themes?
[16:33] <xangua> !themes
[16:33] <skrip> Thanks ! :D if i have any other problem i will ask .
[16:33] <llutz> fooman2011: works here on several systems fine (but all debian). whats "HALT" set to in /etc/default/halt?
[16:33] <s3r3n1t7> fooman2011, then i'd look at the differences in shutting down when the user calls halt and when it's called from cron. Perhaps some user setting enables WOL while cron skips it?
[16:33] <jaggy> oh ok thanks!
[16:33] <edbian> skrip: haha, sure
[16:33] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: can you try using the live-cd?
[16:34] <fooman2011> llutz: when i call "which halt" from my user i have "/sbin/halt"
[16:34] <ikonia> fooman2011: total long shot, I wonder if it's something to do with your enviornment, eg: yours is fine, but the cron user doesn't have a proper shell enviornment
[16:34] <fooman2011> llutz: I put /sbin/halt in my cron script
[16:34] <sahip> ikonia: 4650 seems compatible, there is no 4850
[16:34] <ikonia> sahip: there you go then
[16:34] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: I could, but I'm not sure how to extract the package from it
[16:34] <johnnee> edbian, can you teamviewer in my laptop?
[16:35] <s3r3n1t7> fooman2011, yes they both use the same halt executable, however it's not called from the same user, so as ikonia has stated the env might be different, thereby causing the problem.
[16:35] <edbian> johnnee: Nope.
[16:35] <fooman2011> raaah how to solve my problem ?
[16:35] <edbian> johnnee: Did the command produce errors?
[16:35] <johnnee> it's so hard to follow with so many people writing
[16:35] <jongbergs> TomSlominski: What OS you're using right now?
[16:35] <johnnee> so i haven't done anything yet
[16:35] <sidewalk> im having problems with openvpn not starting properly after reboot, looks like i have to run /etc/init.d/openvpn start, to get it working... anyone know what might be wrong? i followed the guide on the community page to get it working
[16:35] <johnnee> is there a way to private chat here
[16:36] <edbian> johnnee: I just did.
[16:36] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: could you pastebin the output of this command: lspci -vnn
[16:36] <EmuAlert> Minecraft, a java game, runs terribly on ubuntu but great on windows. Are the any tricks to get java programs or graphics in general to run better?
[16:36] <MonkeyDust> johnnee: type /msg nickname blah
[16:36] <TomSlominski> jongbergs, Fedora 15.
[16:37] <s3r3n1t7> EmuAlert, it sounds like your graphics drivers aren't fully functional. I'd look into that first. mc runs fine for me
[16:37] <anddam> johnnee: or /query
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> EmuAlert: http://users.skynet.be/gbachot/html/games.html
[16:37] <s3r3n1t7> EmuAlert, also make sure you are running sun java, not the default java that comes with Ubuntu
[16:37] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: Yes, give me a second though, have to go find a flash drive so I can copy it over to this computer
[16:37] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: ok..
[16:38] <EmuAlert> s3r3n1t7: Thanks. Also, Sun and OpenJDK run about the same
[16:38] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: kindly also include the output of dmesg
[16:38] <jrr> how might I install an older kernel (<2.6.38-8-generic on natty; no packages in apt)?  (and what might I break in doing so?)
[16:38] <taiyal> How can I burn a .cdr on Ubuntu?
[16:38] <s3r3n1t7> EmuAlert, a forum post recommended to use sun java for MC, so i just took that route by default without really checking.
[16:38] <Jaime771> jrr: Windows?
[16:39] <IdleOne> !burn | taiyal
[16:39] <xangua> jrr: compile it
[16:40] <jrr> xangua: durr, thanks =] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[16:41] <ghg> who?
[16:41] <jiohdi> is compiz a windows manager?
[16:41] <aeon-ltd> jiohdi: yes
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> hi guys, can someone please give the location of the curtainy wallpaper in ubuntu please
[16:42] <jiohdi> I put in cairo-dock and unity took a hike... but compiz does not give window frames
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> jiohdi: yes, compiz is a WM
[16:42] <Corey> ikonia: Why did you kick vanski?
[16:43] <jiohdi> how can I get compiz to give me window frames for things like resizing
[16:43] <Corey> Er, mistab, disregard.
[16:43] <ikonia> Corey: by mistake who I've alrady mesaged
[16:44] <GregAce> exit
[16:45] <fooman2011> Where i can add a script which is executed after the halt command ?
[16:45] <Skunkwaffle> lspci: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614597/   dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614599/
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> jiohdi: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/unity-love-handles-resizing-in-ubuntu-just-got-sexy/
[16:45] <jongbergs> TomSlominski: could you try using tuxboot at tuxboot.org
[16:46] <licnep> if anyone is interested in discussing a system to donate to open source apps: http://piratepad.net/donation
[16:47] <fooman2011> I think that when the user call the halt command the system use the fil /etc/init.d/halt but when cron call the halt command it doesn't use /etc/init.d/halt ... is it possible or not ?
[16:47] <xissburg> how to know where a file is from the terminal?
[16:47] <Jaime771> HOW CAN I VERIFY VIA SASL WHENEVER I AM ON 3G?
[16:47] <xissburg> like find javac
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> !caps
[16:48] <TomSlominski> jongbergs, cheers, im trying that now :)
[16:48] <Licenser> greetings :)
[16:48] <sahirul> hi....
[16:48] <Skunkwaffle> xissburg: which javac
[16:48] <Jaime771> how can I verify via SASL whenever I am on 3G?
[16:49] <Licenser> I was wondering, is there something like sys-unconfigure for ubuntu? As in with the next boot it will aks questions like hostname/timezone/users/network?
[16:49] <xissburg> Skunkwaffle: the java compiler
[16:49] <babalu> hey guys is possible to install skymate in ubuntu 10.10?
[16:49] <Skunkwaffle> xissburg: no that's the command 'which javac'
[16:50] <Jaime771> 1595 people never encountered this error?
[16:51] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: can you make any sense of any of it?
[16:51] <MonkeyDust> Jaime771: dont know what sasl or 3g are
[16:51] <xissburg> Skunkwaffle: ah
[16:51] <jiohdi> ActionParsnip, it does not work when unity is no longer involved... the only thing I have is the lower right corner
[16:52] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: I looked at the output..it seems the networking hardware are recognized..
[16:52] <Who[ares> HI everyone, I know I've asked that question before but I still can't get any useful answer: I Tried to install Ubuntu 10.04 AND 11.04 with Wubi on my WinXP PC and even though the installation goes fine, I still dont have any Dual Boot menu showing up when I boot my PC ...... I've looked into the boot.ini windows file and I don,t see anything about ubuntu ... AND the Logfile doesn,t give me...
[16:52] <Who[ares> ...any error message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614600/
[16:52] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: yeah, it's just not turned on, and there doesn't seem to be any way to do so
[16:52] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: can you try hooking up a utp cable?
[16:53] <aeon-ltd> Who[ares: should use the mbr to load ubuntu, or if you used wubi's other install method GRUB2 by default does not show
[16:53] <coz_> Who[ares,  not sure this works with wubi install,, however when you reboot hold down the left s hift key to see if the grub menu appears
[16:53] <sacton3> Hey everyone, I need some advice
[16:53] <f> need help with wine cant install anything on it
[16:53] <aeon-ltd> sacton3: ask, don't ask to ask
[16:53] <jiohdi> ActionParsnip, I found a key binding for it though... in compiz manager
[16:54] <Who[ares> coz_: Cool, I'll try that !
[16:54] <f> Pici, ned help with wine cant install anything
[16:54] <MonkeyDust> !ask| sacton3
[16:54] <Who[ares> aeon-ltd: What do you mean by that (sorry for the rookie question)... The MBR being ?
[16:54] <jongbergs> TomSlominski: at present, I am happy with the program called "MultiSystem" as it allow me to squeeze more live images onto the usb stick with an easy-to-use interface..
[16:54] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: I tried hardwiring to the router, but that doesn't work either.
[16:55] <MonkeyDust> Who[ares: MBR = Master Boot Record
[16:55] <aeon-ltd> Who[ares: master boot record, its windows method of boot loading (so loading the OS)
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[16:55] <f> anybody here need hhelp with WINE plz
[16:55] <Inter> roughedged
[16:55] <MonkeyDust> !ask| f
[16:56] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: did the indicator lights of the ethernet port of your computer lits up?
[16:56] <Who[ares> oK ! .... 'cause I installed ubuntu in the past (version 7 if I remember correctly) and I used wubi and it worked like a charm .... I didn't have to go throu that MBR thing ... I wanna try ubuntu but I don,t wanna mess up my PC ! :S
[16:56] <f> !ubottu/ MonkeyDust
[16:56] <Skunkwaffle> It doesn't have one
[16:57] <f> someone tell me where can i get help with wine
[16:57] <sacton3> One of my IT guys at work and I are wanting to make a Linux distro to help replace Windows on these terrible Dell Slimlines that we have.  Most of our applications are HTML based and Java so compatibility should not be too much of a problem.  The PCs are P4's with 256m of ram.  Im think of baseing it off of either Xubuntu or Lubuntu.  Anyone have any suggestions, my main concerns are compatibility with a Windows user system and speed. 
[16:57] <f> MonkeyDust, why not tell me where can i get help with wine instead of playing with ubottu
[16:57] <edbian> Who[ares: Actually :P  wubi does alter the MBR!!
[16:57] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: ok..what live-cd version do you have right now?
[16:57] <Who[ares> I see ! ... ;-)
[16:57] <Who[ares> I though it just modified the boot.ini file
[16:58] <MonkeyDust> sacton3: maybe you can discuss this in #ubuntu-devel
[16:58] <coz_> sacton3,  either of t hose DE's should be fine,,,  kde would be far more resource intensive than  xfce or lxde
[16:58] <Who[ares> and I also thought I could just manually modify boot.ini ...
[16:58] <coz_> sacton3,  the system I am on now is a P4 with one gig,, video  nvidia 7300gt
[16:58] <Skunkwaffle> Lucid 32 bit
[16:58] <Skunkwaffle> do you want the version number?
[16:58] <coz_> sacton3,  even ubuntu 11.04  runs fine on this
[16:58] <f> ubottu wine
[16:59] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: no that's fine..were you able to connect from the live cd?
[16:59] <Who[ares> I'll try the left shift thing and I'll be back
[16:59] <coz_> sacton3,  one suggestion would be to download and burn the minimal install cd  which installs via the net   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD    it also , during the installation, give you choices for which DE  etc
[17:00] <BlackAndYellow_> do you guys know any good irc programms for the windows command line?
[17:00] <Skunkwaffle> Well I didn't live boot, I just installed from the CD, but, yes, I could originally connect. It was only after running the initial batch of updates and restarting that this problem began.
[17:00] <Who[ares> thanks for your help Coz_ and Monkeydust !
[17:00] <coz_> Who[ares,  did that work for you?
[17:00] <psycho_oreos> BlackAndYellow_, ask that in ##windows
[17:00] <Who[ares> I'll try it right now (I need to reboot)
[17:00] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: i seee..hmmm..
[17:00] <coz_> Who[ares,  ah ok :)
[17:01] <Who[ares> I have 1 PC so that's why I can mess it up  !:)
[17:01] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: ok..let's try this..on the terminal
[17:02] <pk__> isn't there a netboot image which boots a basic ubuntu?
[17:02] <pk__> even a command line is suffucuent
[17:02]  * Skunkwaffle listening
[17:02] <coz_> pk__,  for 11.04  you could install unity2d
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> anyone using unity2D? I'm using it in LUbuntu. I have this: http://img844.imageshack.us/i/26811210.png/  and would like the top right to blend (be black), can anyone advise
[17:02] <pk__> all the images i found are installing after downloading
[17:03] <coz_> pk__,   what about the minimal install cd?   although I am not sure exactly wh at you mean
[17:03] <pk__> coz_: what?
[17:03] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: your ethernet card driver is r8169..let's try reloading it thru this command: sudo modprob -r r8169
[17:03] <pk__> i dont have a cd drive,neither a pen drive but have another computer
[17:03] <Lenin_Cat> I am currently trying to connect my networked printer over SMB, but it ask me to login to access my kodak printer, my printer does not have a username password or domain
[17:03] <coz_> pk__,   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:03] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: then this command: sudo modprob r8169
[17:03] <coz_> pk__,  oh I see
[17:04] <pk__> so i have setup dhcp and tftp server on other computer
[17:04] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: sorry, the las command shoudl be sudo modprobe r8169
[17:04] <pk__> but the netboot images i found ..they start downloading ubuntu and then install
[17:04] <pk__> where as i just want a live netboot runing
[17:05] <Skunkwaffle> nothing happened
[17:05] <edbian> Is there an IRC client on the Ubuntu live CD ?
[17:05] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  you are a better man than I am ,, I have tried  over and again to  use mini with flash driver with unetbootin and no success,, on external hd  no problem :(
[17:05] <IdleOne> edbian: there is empathy but you can install a real irc client while running the live cd
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> edbian: you can install any client you like
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> coz_: weird
[17:05] <edbian> I know you can install one.  Is empathy the only one that is pre-installed?
[17:06] <IdleOne> edbian: the only one that sorta does irc yeah
[17:06] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: try this command
[17:06] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: sudo dhclient eth0
[17:07] <edbian> IdleOne: Ok thanks
[17:07] <edbian> MonkeyDust: Thank you as well :)
[17:07] <wendico> hello everybody. i messed up my unity so that when i log in I only have a desktop. I created a desktop launcher to "unity --reset" command wich is the only way to run unity. hoewer this fix is not permanent and i have to click the command every login. how can i solve it?
[17:07] <babalu> is possible to install skypemete on ubuntu 10.10?
[17:08] <Who[ares> coz_: Nope.... the left shift key when rebooting doesn't work ...
[17:08] <compdoc> wendico, you have the gnome 2 desktop?
[17:08] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: were you able to get an IP address?
[17:08] <coz_> Who[ares,  sorry, I have not used wubi install ever,, it was  a guess at best
[17:08] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: Got a bunch of output, but ended up with "No DHCPOFFERS" received
[17:09] <Skunkwaffle> No
[17:09] <Who[ares> damn ;) ... Weel thanks anyway ...
[17:09] <Who[ares> well
[17:09] <wendico> compdoc i think so, i have last version of ubuntu updated, i messed up playing with compiz in ubuntu classicc. i revert all but this problem
[17:09] <_kad> heys!! why i can't process under Live CD (Try Ubuntu) while i can press under Install Ubuntu and it work?
[17:09] <f> http://pastebin.com/Ee1NeZ1n help please
[17:09] <wendico> unity does not load
[17:10] <khumbobless> khumbo
[17:10] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: are you sure your utp cable is working?
[17:11] <nash__> Hey guys
[17:11] <khumbobless> any body onlyn
[17:11] <b00zs> Ohai... why does ssh not work in ubuntu 11.04?...
[17:11] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: i mean, have you been using that cable?
[17:11] <nash__> How do I mount a partition as writable in a live usb?
[17:11] <b00zs> BTW I really dislike ubuntu 11.04!
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> b00zs: i'm on this chat through ssh
[17:11] <prezident> i just installed my vnc server client and im trying to connect from my other computer from somewhere else not just locally, my server says desktop is only reachable over the local network others can access your computer using the address localhost. is their any way i can change that ?
[17:12] <hypodermia> anybody know if there's a channel around for unity dev?
[17:12] <Skunkwaffle> Oh, I have not.
[17:13] <b00zs> Ubuntu 11.04's desktop setup is so annoying.
[17:13] <MonkeyDust> b00zs: i don't like it either, so i use gnome
[17:13] <compdoc> b00zs, ues the classic desktop then
[17:13] <prezident> b00zs y don't you just go baq to ubuntu classic mode when you log in
[17:14] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: how about a wireless network?
[17:14] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: okay looks like it's working now.
[17:14] <b00zs> prezident - One can choose desktop at login?
[17:14] <prezident> yeah
[17:14] <b00zs> Oh <3
[17:14] <b00zs> Thank GOD
[17:14] <b00zs> brb
[17:14] <prezident> lol :)
[17:14] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: did you replace the cable?
[17:14] <Skunkwaffle> The wireless still doesn't work, but I can get on with a cat-5
[17:14] <b00zs> :P
[17:14] <IdleOne> !classic | b00zs
[17:14] <prezident> does anyone know how ot use vnc remote desktop
[17:14] <prezident> ?
[17:14] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: yes
[17:14] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: is it working right now?
[17:15] <Skunkwaffle> yes, but only hardwired, I still can't connect through the wireless
[17:15] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: does the command sudo dhclient eth0 leases you and ip address?
[17:16] <lazy_TS> hello. this is Tom Slominski, except im too lazy to login :P
[17:16] <lazy_TS> i managed it, cheers!
[17:16] <Skunkwaffle> yes, but only through the hardwire
[17:16] <edbian> Skunkwaffle: what card do you have?
[17:17] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: can you connect to the internet?
[17:17] <Skunkwaffle> yes, as long as I'm plugged in
[17:18] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: i see..seems that network manager could be the culprit
[17:18] <Skunkwaffle> You wouldn't know how to fix that would you?
[17:18] <mdgeorge> hello
[17:18] <Mjuksel> lo guys
[17:18] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: google can help ;)
[17:19] <Mjuksel> can i add a swap partition after i installed ? :p
[17:19] <mdgeorge> how do I set my PATH system-wide?
[17:19] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: are you also researching right now?
[17:19] <mdgeorge> it is set correctly in /etc/environment
[17:19] <Skaperen> hmmm ... got this error from doing a cpio extraction:  "cpio: dev/raw1394: Cannot mknod: Invalid argument" ... ran it again with strace and found that it never even tried to do a mknod call
[17:19] <mdgeorge> but it seems to not be picked up
[17:19] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: yeah, just checking to see if you already knew the answer
[17:20] <mdgeorge> in particular I can't run anything in /usr/games from the run dialog :(
[17:20] <prezident> does any one know how to you the vnc server ?
[17:20] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: at least we were able to rule out the problem that prevents you from connecting to network
[17:21] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: i am searching also for an answer..
[17:21] <Skunkwaffle> yeah, thanks for getting me this far
[17:21] <compdoc> prezident, there's two type of vnc server. one is called vino, and comes already installed I think
[17:21] <asatorlenormand> hi :)
[17:22] <Mjuksel> whats the easiest way to resize my partition guys
[17:22] <antihero> Hey, with Unity, how do I access Wine programs?
[17:22] <Mjuksel> i only have USB on this computer
[17:22] <antihero> some are not showing up
[17:22] <Mjuksel> need to resize my root partition
[17:23] <compdoc> prezident, vino shares your desktop, and runs on port 5900. You have to be logged in on the console to make it work.
[17:23] <Skaperen> Mjuksel: is there a partition in use at the space just above the root partition?
[17:23] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: okay I'm installing the network-manager-gnome package. Let's see if this does anything
[17:24] <prezident> my server the desktop im trying to connect to says that i can connect only locally and i want to change that
[17:24] <Mjuksel> no Skaperen i accidently used all of the hard disk on install
[17:24] <wendico> Hello, another problem is that this chat window gets longer and longer as i tipe long senteced, how to keep in in a fixed size?
[17:24] <Mjuksel> forgot to add a swap part
[17:24] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: ok let me know how it works out..
[17:24] <Skaperen> Mjuksel: you want to make it smaller?
[17:25]  * Skaperen suggests a "do over" ... have a system partition (all but /home), a swap, and a /home partition (large)
[17:25] <Mjuksel> yes Skaperen
[17:26] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: not so good, looks like it can't retrieve system settings properties now
[17:26] <yeastwars> sound's been really weak ever since I upgraded from intrepid to whatever m* is. Any ideas why?
[17:26] <Skaperen> system partition could be as small as 8GB, depending on what packages you add
[17:26] <yeastwars> alsamixer shows full bars everywhere, yet I can barely hear anything
[17:26] <Skunkwaffle> I'm going to restart and see if that helps anything
[17:26] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: could you pastebin the output?
[17:27] <Skaperen> Mjuksel: back up your data, first, on 2 external USB drives
[17:27] <Skaperen> always make 2 backups when intending to erase the live data
[17:27] <Skaperen> or more
[17:28] <Mjuksel> okay but Skaperen , i had this major trouble with installing my USB Wifi stick
[17:28] <Skunkwaffle> jongbergs: I didn't save it, but I'll try again when it restarts
[17:28] <Mjuksel> can i somehow backup that driver ? i did a make + make install
[17:28] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: ok no problem..hope everything will went fine..
[17:29] <Skunkwaffle> Ah, it seems that did it
[17:30] <Skunkwaffle> thanks jongbergs, looks like I'm back in business
[17:30] <Skaperen> Mjuksel: you might be able to back it up ... if you can find the files, make a copy of them into /home in some place, and make the external backup of /home with it
[17:31] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: seems that network manager must have failed during the update..
[17:31] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: Congratulations! you did it!
[17:31] <Skunkwaffle> yeah I guess so. Thanks for helping me
[17:31] <Skaperen> Mjuksel: if you did make;make install then you would also have source ... still have that?  back it up, too
[17:31] <jongbergs> Skunkwaffle: It's my pleasure :)
[17:32] <Skaperen> Mjuksel: best to redo the make+make install ... for practice
[17:32] <Skaperen> Mjuksel: keep good notes on what you do, and install decisions you make ... handy for redo
[17:34] <pozic> How can I see what F9 is bound to?
[17:36] <tosh> ls
[17:36] <tosh> ciao
[17:36] <Phoebus> Greek demonstration: http://www.star.gr/ellada_kosmos/93174#sx - anyone have streams from other demos around Europe?
[17:38] <tosh> need help: n900 not connect, driver ok, ubuntu 11 natty. (no problem with previous realese)
[17:39] <rww> Phoebus: try #ubuntu-offtopic; #ubuntu is just for Ubuntu technical support
[17:40] <Phoebus> rww, there is no one in the first unless there's a typo.
[17:40] <rww> Phoebus: there are plenty of people in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:41] <s3r3n1t7> Phoebus, don't add the ; at the end, #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:41] <Phoebus> oh lol
[17:41] <s3r3n1t7> rww, the ; at the end is taken along in xchat if i click it, might i suggest adding a space?
[17:41] <Phoebus> Didn't know ; was even a legal character for channel names.
[17:43] <Iraqi> is there .NET framwork 2 or 3 for linux?
[17:43] <jongbergs> quit
[17:43] <jongbergs> bye
[17:43] <Iraqi> or can install .NET framwork 2 of windows in linux?
[17:44] <zxfw> :)
[17:45] <Iraqi> I want install Sketchup Google so need .NET Framwork 2
[17:45] <farmer_> Hi, how would I go about removing unity and installing GNOME 3?
[17:46] <StevenSS> I need pcre.h to compile something. Where and how do I get it?
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> farmer_: there's a ppa for gnome3
[17:48] <nit-wit> Iraqi, Sketchup Google has no linux installs, using a windows setup is your best chance I think . There is wine but personally  wouldn't even mess with that.
[17:48] <farmer_> MonkeyDust, thanks anyway, I googled it
[17:49] <Iraqi> nit-wit: by wine hq is need .NET Framwork 2 must installing then will install it so is there .NET framwork 2 for linux?
[17:50] <_Lucifer> not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but if one were to have the source code of a windows driver for a piece of hardware not supported in linux, how hard would it be to convert to a linux usable state?
[17:50] <Shnookie> Iraqi: Mono is the Linux version of . net framework
[17:50] <Iraqi> Shnookie: thanks
[17:50] <chaos_> Why peoples you are here when there is the 'Ubuntu Server - irc(.)ubuntu(.)com
[17:51] <s3r3n1t7> chaos_, it links here
[17:51] <chaos_> s3r3n1t7: yeah,now i see that
[17:52] <smw> _Lucifer, depends, if you know what you are doing, it would be semi-hard. If you don't, it would be impossible :-\
[17:53] <Enissay> Is there any way to make 1080p videos work correctly on a Pentium M 1400 MHZ 1GB ram?
[17:53] <s3r3n1t7> _Lucifer, you would have to rewrite all the system calls from the windows parts to their linux counter parts, write functions should they not exist. Hardly recommendable.
[17:54] <_Lucifer> smw: ah. I won't try then, I have no idea how to do it, I don't actually have the source code yet but the developer said he would provide it upon request, and the hardware probably isn't common enough for anyone who knows what they are doing to bother with
[17:54] <hypatia> Enissay: your only hope would be if it has a good vudeo card
[17:54] <smw> _Lucifer, what hardware is it?
[17:55] <Enissay> hydh, I dont think so, It Is an integrated intel stuff
[17:55] <L_infty> Is there a way to specify on which desktop you an application to start?
[17:55] <smw> _Lucifer, http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/foswiki/bin/view
[17:55] <Enissay> hypatia, I dont think so, It Is an integrated intel stuff
[17:55] <hypatia> Enissay: probably no luck then :(
[17:55] <Enissay> xD
[17:55] <_Lucifer> smw: it's the headset adapter for the original xbox controller. the controller itself works perfectly, but the headset doesn't
[17:55] <hypatia> laptop or desktop?
[17:55] <Enissay> laptop
[17:56] <RA_drc> _Lucifer: why don't you get the source code anyway, and post i t online?
[17:56] <VCoolio> L_infty: compiz place plugin can do that, if you use compiz, else have a look at devilspie
[17:56] <smw> _Lucifer, maybe someone at the open drivers project will take a look?
[17:56] <smw> _Lucifer, linux drivers project*
[17:56] <hypatia> yeah, not gonna happen Enissay - to do 1080p on that kinda proc, you need video card acceleration
[17:57] <Enissay> hypatia, what about 720p vids?
[17:57] <RA_drc> smw: where is this linux drivers project?
[17:58] <smw> RA_drc, http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/foswiki/bin/view
[17:58] <hypatia> Enissay: maybe, but i also douby it
[17:59] <hypatia> *doubt
[17:59] <Enissay> hypatia, yeah... thanks mate :)
[18:00] <Curly_Q> Hey guys is there an apt-get for bahamut 1.8.9 release?
[18:00] <hypatia> glad to help, Enissay
[18:00] <hypatia> Enissay: fwiw, you want mplayer's vdpau option when you're dealing with low power but accelerated video
[18:02] <RA_drc> smw: thanks
[18:03] <yunosh> hi, should /lib/security be a symlink to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security? (on 64bit of course)?
[18:03] <Enissay> hypatia, didnt get it?
[18:05] <StevenSS> How do I search for files from the commandline?
[18:06] <rumpel1> StevenSS, locate or find
[18:06] <hypatia> Enissay: if you're doing video on a machne with a crappy processor but a good video card, you can use mplayer's vdpau option to run the video decodinf on the video card :)
[18:06] <wurmt0ngue> there are alot of options to the command StevensSS but its the find command
[18:06] <Curly_Q> StevenSS use the grep command.
[18:06] <StevenSS> find or grep? Which is better?
[18:07] <Curly_Q> Use locate command too.
[18:07] <Pwer> StevenSS, try locate for a filesystem search.
[18:07] <wurmt0ngue> im not familiar with grep, locate and find ive seen
[18:07] <wurmt0ngue> but they have many options
[18:07] <Enissay> hypatia, ow, I see... but it's not my case... coz the whole laptop is crap lol
[18:07] <hypatia> Enissay: yeah, sorry it doesn't help with that :(
[18:08] <Enissay> hypatia, ow, u certainly did with these informations :)
[18:08] <QuikNik> Anybody here used a Moto Xoom tablet with Ubuntu or any distro for that matter?  I can't seem to see the volume mounting on the desktop at all and nothing shows up with fdisk
[18:08] <hypatia> Enissay: for reference, i use a very low-powered Atom machine for my TV PC, and it decodes 1080P perfectly with mplayer :)
[18:09] <Curly_Q> If you use the grep command you can use the |    pipe command with it.
[18:10] <melow01> I'm trying to Benchmark a drive using Ubuntu's Disk Utility but I get "write benchmarking requires the disk to be completely empty". I used /dev/urandom to write random data to the drive so I thought my partitions were gone?
[18:10] <Enissay> hypatia, cool :)
[18:11] <Curly_Q> Melow01 are you working on a data recovery project?
[18:12] <melow01> kinda
[18:12] <melow01> Curly_Q, kinda
[18:12] <heyguise> hey guys. Can any one link me to a tutorial about how to install a windows xp partion if I allready have an ubuntu partion installed? I've done clean multipartion installs but i really dont want to have to format my hard drive. Thanks.
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> hypatia: mplayer is the daddy :)
[18:12] <Curly_Q> What is the scoop?
[18:12] <hypatia> ActionParsnip: it is pretty sweet, indeed!
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> heyguise: the liveCD can resize the ext4 partition which you can then install windows to
[18:13] <hypatia> heyguise: if you install windows after linux, you'll have to reinstall grub- that's the only tricky part
[18:13] <Curly_Q> Heyquise Windows is a pig it wants the entire disk.
[18:13] <TomSlominski> hi. im trying to delete my swap partition, but Palimpsest is all like "refusing to delete a protected partition" so i was like "swapoff -a" but i still can't do it
[18:13] <hypatia> and it's not actually very tricky
[18:13] <melow01> Curly_Q, I was trying dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb on large drive (500GB) but it was taking too long, so I'm experimenting with a 128MB sdcard and that command worked
[18:13] <hypatia> melow01: you need to set the block size
[18:13] <heyguise> action parsnip. I was reading about that. I currently have ubuntu installed on this laptop. I read that installing windows after ubuntu can mess up the MBR.
[18:14] <hypatia> heyguise: it will, but it's trivial to fix
[18:14] <melow01> Curly_Q, I would like to benchmark my drives to see if they're good for future use
[18:14] <ActionParsnip> heyguise: yes but the livecD can also reinstate grub to the mbr, so its no worry
[18:14] <wildc4rd> evening all
[18:14] <heyguise> awesome
[18:14] <heyguise> thank you guys
[18:14] <melow01> hypatia, I also did this: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=512 skip=1
[18:14] <TomSlominski> i tried formatting that parition to ext4 but it still doesnt work. i restarted palimpsest, should i restart my computer?
[18:14] <heyguise> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows <--- correct?
[18:15] <hypatia> melow01: how long did you wait?  500gb will take many hours
[18:15] <hypatia> melow01: i'd estimate on the order of 5-10
[18:15] <hypatia> heyguise: yup!
[18:15] <heyguise> thanks
[18:16] <melow01> hypatia, ya I found out last night. I Ctrl-C this morning and it told me 115GB took 12 hours!  That's why I'm tinkering with a 128MB sdcard now.
[18:16] <Curly_Q> Melow01 there is a good software called:   SpinRite   check that out. You will be amazed at it.
[18:17] <melow01> hypatia, Curly_Q I'd like to test the integrity of my 500GB drive before I put it back into my ReadyNAS and load all my personal data onto it.
[18:17] <Blue_Helix> can someone help me with booting from USB ?
[18:18] <heyguise> Sorry about all the questions i just odnt wanna fuck this up. So I insert my ubuntu live cd, create a partion for my windows install. Remove the live cd, insert my windows cd and install it on the appropirate partion. Then reinsert the ubuntu live cd and reinstall GRub?
[18:19] <hypatia> heyguise: that is correct
[18:19] <ActionParsnip> Blue_Helix: set the usb to be first boot in bios
[18:19] <heyguise> thank ya
[18:19] <hypatia> melow01: i would just run the extended SMART test from disk utility
[18:19] <L_infty> .quit
[18:19] <Curly_Q> Melow01 the integrity of your hard disk today will not be the same as tomorrow. If it works don't try to fix it.
[18:20] <heyguise> i love how ubuntus support. Random dudes on the internet blow "John From Dallas" with a strange indian accents tech support out of the water.
[18:20] <melow01> hypatia, Curly_Q I suppose my question is... if I wrote random data to the drive using dd, why is there still partitions on the drive?
[18:20] <BobTheGreat> how do I install 2.6.38-3 on 11.04 without getting all the unstable packages while at the same time not diabling kernel updates?
[18:20] <hypatia> melow01: i have no idea :(
[18:20] <BajK> whgat is that "Install updates after installing" supposed to do anyway? EVERYTIME i install kubuntu I check this box and still I get like 150 updates when doing apt-get upgrade
[18:21] <melow01> hypatia, ok
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> BajK: i wondered that too, i just ignore it now
[18:21] <Curly_Q> Melow01 did you format the drive? and did you partition the drive first?
[18:22] <BobTheGreat> I meant 2.6.39-3! I need that to be newer than the other stuff.
[18:22] <nit-wit> BajK, the updates and upgrades bring the OS to the latest version.
[18:22] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[18:22] <BajK> nit-wit: huh?
[18:22] <BajK> bring what to where? :D
[18:22] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: there is a ppa for kernels, it is unofficial so ou use it at your own risk
[18:22] <SpaceBass> anyone using eccryptfs? I've tried creating a new user with --encrypt-home per the wiki, however, when that user logs in (via CLI) they cannot write to their ~/
[18:23] <BobTheGreat> ActionParsnip, thanks, I'll search for it.
[18:23] <hypatia> SpaceBass: if they log in via cli they have to mount their home
[18:23] <nit-wit> BajK,  you said " whgat is that "Install updates after installing" supposed to do anyway?" I said  the updates and upgrades bring the OS to the latest version.
[18:23] <BajK> so if you run 10.10 setup you will end up at 11.04?
[18:23] <IdleOne> no
[18:24] <SpaceBass> hypatia, when I try 'ecryptfs-mount-private' I get an error saying its not conjured properly
[18:24] <IdleOne> the updates will install any security/bug fixes
[18:24] <SpaceBass> hypatia, is there a way to auto mount at login?
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> BajK: it only gets the packages for 10.10 to the latest on the repos
[18:24] <nit-wit> BajK, only if you choose to upgrade to it=11.04
[18:24] <BajK> ActionParsnip: then it is broken :D
[18:24] <BajK> jus tinstalled 11.04 and I still got 150 updates at first start
[18:24] <hypatia> SpaceBass: not sure, sorry :(
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> BajK: it's not, there is a world of difference
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> BajK: ohh., sorry
[18:25] <IdleOne> BajK: there has been many updates to 11.04 since release
[18:25] <BajK> and?
[18:25] <BajK> doesnt change that it does not apply the updates
[18:25] <Rohn> Hi all
[18:25] <Curly_Q> Melow01 it all depends upon if you did a Low Level Format or not.
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> BajK: yes it is, but I ignore it,log a bug if you desire
[18:25] <xskydevilx> The proprietary drivers for my nVidia graphics cards aren't showing up. Only the experimental open source ones. How do I get the proprietary ones to show up?
[18:25] <BajK> ActionParsnip: you ignore it?
[18:26] <ActionParsnip> BajK: yes, getting fullupdates is part of my post install script
[18:26] <BajK> and why doesnt it do that? :D
[18:26] <nit-wit> BajK, if you use the alternative disc install you will be up to date upon installation.
[18:26] <melow01> Curly_Q, before I started working on the 128MB sdcard, it was inside a Canon camera with fat32 formatted onto it.  Then, I ran dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=512 skip=1. I was thinking that would be low-level format?
[18:27] <BajK> and again: *adds a list to the 50 reasons the Kubuntu installer su... is broken*
[18:27] <hypatia> melow01: running dd on something is not  low0level formatting
[18:27] <BajK> an item to the list
[18:27] <melow01> hypatia, ah, didn't know that. still learning bash...
[18:28] <hypatia> melow01: all dd does is copy data from if to of
[18:28] <melow01> hypatia, Curly_Q I was just reading on SpinRite's website that on newer drives its almost impossible to do a low-level format nowadays because of the way the drive was setup at the manufacturer.
[18:29] <hypatia> melow01: spinrite is garbage, don't believe anything Steve Gibson says.
[18:29] <melow01> hypatia, Curly_Q there also seems to be conflicting info out there about what "low level formatting" actually is.
[18:29] <hypatia> melow01: it's also not necessary on new drives
[18:29] <BobTheGreat> i don't understand how to "add ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa to sources". Isn't sources meant to be like "deb http://..."?
[18:30] <hypatia> BobTheGreat: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:....
[18:30] <hypatia> BobTheGreat: try that (but with the right ppa name)
[18:30] <melow01> hypatia, ok, but back to my original question: why can't I run a Read/Write Benchmark from Ubuntu's Disk Utility?
[18:30] <BobTheGreat> ok, and that will add the newer kernels to synaptic?
[18:30] <hypatia> melow01: "low level formatting" doesn't tell you much about the health of the drive
[18:30] <hypatia> melow01: i'm not sure about that one :/
[18:31] <melow01> hypatia, ok, thanks anyway
[18:31] <hypatia> BobTheGreat: after an apt-get update, yes
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: you can use add-apt-repository to add it easier
[18:31] <BobTheGreat> thanks!
[18:31] <hypatia> melow01: try "smart data" then self-test
[18:32] <hypatia> more useful than benchmarking if you mainly want to know the health of the drive
[18:32] <hypatia> oh actually, melow01
[18:32] <rewalsar> QUESTION: How to edit .conf file?
[18:32] <melow01> hypatia, where would I do a smart data self test?
[18:32] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: use the bold text and it will add
[18:32] <ActionParsnip> rewalsar: in a text editor
[18:32] <hypatia> melow01: if the drive is mounted, that's why read/write won't work
[18:32] <hypatia> melow01: also in disk utility
[18:33] <nit-wit> BajK, It is always so refreshing to see people who have little understanding of the Linux or Ubuntu setups compiling list of bugs, this will work against you .
[18:33] <rewalsar> ActionParsnip: its not opening in txt editor..
[18:33] <melow01> rewalsar, there are multiple text editors, the main one in Ubuntu is gedit, I believe
[18:33] <Usuario> HELP http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769954
[18:33] <Usuario> ICEauthority
[18:33] <BajK> nit-wit: ?
[18:33] <melow01> hypatia, the drive is not mounted
[18:33] <nit-wit> bakread your own posts 50 bugs or problems with the Kubun installer .;)
[18:33] <hypatia> melow01: hmm, no idea why benchmarking isn't working then :(
[18:34] <hypatia> anyway, i have to jet melow01 - good luck
[18:34] <melow01> hypatia, its 128MB of unallocated space
[18:34] <rewalsar> melow01: yes it is gedit but its saying could not open..
[18:34] <melow01> hypatia, ok, thanks
[18:34] <ActionParsnip> rewalsar: try:   gedit /path/to/filename.conf
[18:34] <melow01> rewalsar, maybe you need to be root
[18:34] <nit-wit> BajK, read your own posts 50 bugs or problems with the Kubuntu installer. ;)
[18:35] <mun__> does anyone know why my xdg-open opens all file formats in nautilus-elementary, rather than the associated application?
[18:35] <BajK> yes there are
[18:35] <BajK> this thing is ENTIRELY broken
[18:35] <ranjan> rewalsar, check the permission and path name correctly
[18:35] <rewalsar> melow01l: yes I guess so, needing root, but how to get root?
[18:35] <ranjan> rewalsar, use sudo before the command
[18:35] <BobTheGreat> update manager kicked in right after the apt-get update. nice that it wanted to install what I wanted in the first place:-)
[18:35] <cloned> wow
[18:36] <nit-wit> BobTheGreat, turn off the auto check Duh.
[18:36] <rewalsar> ranjan: I'm not using terminal
[18:36] <SpaceBass> anyone using eccryptfs? I've tried creating a new user with --encrypt-home per the wiki, however, when that user logs in (via CLI) they cannot write to their ~/   ?. encryptfs-mount-private returns an error: encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[18:37] <nit-wit> SpaceBass, is this a server?
[18:37] <ranjan> rewalsar, you should either use terminal to launch gedit with root previlege or strike alt+f2 and type gksu gedit, and then open the file required
[18:37] <SpaceBass> nit-wit, yes
[18:38] <inso> Does anyone know the keycodes for enter, backslash, capslock?
[18:38] <nit-wit> SpaceBass, you might try #ubuntu-server as well.;)
[18:38] <SpaceBass> nit-wit, thanks
[18:38] <nit-wit> SpaceBass,  no problem, like to see you up and running.
[18:39] <rewalsar> @ranjan: Thanks
[18:39] <Usuario> im root in a terminal, how do I log in as user?
[18:39] <rewalsar> Question: Is there any DDOS attack software for Ubuntu?
[18:39] <nit-wit> SpaceBass,  like the nic being a Bass player myself "space is the place"  Sun Rah.
[18:39] <Usuario> now im root@hihihi100-laptop, I want to change to hihihi100@hihihi100-laptop
[18:40] <ranjan> rewalsar, you are welcome :)
[18:40] <IdleOne> rewalsar: we don't help with that sort of illegal activity
[18:40] <SpaceBass> nit-wit, thank you! Been using this nick for 18 years and you are the FIRST to not assume its about a fish!
[18:40] <ranjan> Usuario, use su - <username>
[18:40] <rewalsar> IdleOne: nothing is illegal, depends the way you use it...
[18:41] <IdleOne> rewalsar: DDOS is illegal
[18:41] <nit-wit> SpaceBass, I'm a jazz musician, I think abstractly on a good day.;)
[18:41] <SpaceBass> nit-wit, still bumbling and aspiring here? need to get my finger board reattached to my upright ? my electrics hang on the wall these days more than they get played :/
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: not if you are hired as a security specialist, its a great way for companies to test their newly installed secrity solution
[18:42] <van7hu> hehe
[18:42] <rewalsar> IdleOne: DDOS attack on someone's else website with intention of harming is illegal.
[18:42] <IdleOne> ActionParsnip: security specialist don't ask beginner type questions like that
[18:42] <nit-wit> SpaceBass, better the fingerboard then the neck.
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: indeed, but it's one case
[18:42] <nit-wit> SpaceBass, ebony I assume.
[18:42] <IdleOne> let's get back to support
[18:42] <IdleOne> Ubuntu support :)
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: you got it ;)
[18:43] <Usuario> im in a terminal (recovery mode) how do I enter ubuntu as a regular user?
[18:43] <nit-wit> IdleOne, no problem. ;)
[18:43] <rewalsar> QUESTION: Software for DDOS attack in Ubuntu, I have met many in windows but didn't found any for Ubuntu?
[18:43] <Usuario> I want to see the GUI
[18:43] <Usuario> rewalsar, try LOIC, but it wont gide your IP
[18:43] <IdleOne> !illegal
[18:43] <van7hu> Usuario, write one?
[18:44] <SpaceBass> nit-wit, yes
[18:44] <Usuario> van7hu write one what?
[18:44] <rewalsar> Usuario: Thanks but can I find it in Repo?
[18:44] <nit-wit> IdleOne, whats the bot trigger for the bootscript?
[18:45] <Usuario> rewalsar NO
[18:45] <Usuario> compile
[18:45] <van7hu> Usuario, mis- sr
[18:45] <twentee> Does anybody know if its possible to bridge wlan and eth?  The little info i can find is unclear. Some say yes, some no
[18:45] <chrometiger> hi, im using 10.10  is there a way I can try Gnome Shell without breaking everything   and/or go back to regular gnome if i dont like it
[18:45] <IdleOne> nit-wit: not sure there is a trigger. ActionParsnip you got a link for that bootinfo script?
[18:45] <nit-wit> IdleOne, I have the link I have seen the bot spit it out.
[18:45] <IdleOne> nit-wit: hmm
[18:46] <bindi> !brain
[18:46] <Usuario> whats the command to reboot normally after changing the terminal in the recovery mode?
[18:46] <IdleOne> nit-wit: !bootinfo
[18:46] <bindi> yep
[18:46] <bindi> just found that
[18:46] <nit-wit> IdleOne, that makes to much sense thanks. ;)
[18:47] <Maimster> How's everyone?
[18:47] <bullgard4> The size of my OpenOffice.org Base database is 107.5 MB. So far OO.o Base > Tools > Options > OpenOffice.org > Memory > (Options - OpenOffice.org - Memory) > Graphics cache > Use for OpenOffice.org defaults to 20 MB. Is it wise to raise this value?
[18:48] <IdleOne> bullgard4: I don't see why you shouldn't
[18:48] <IdleOne> if you want to that is
[18:48] <Curly_Q> Usuario the command is    sudo reboot
[18:50] <Curly_Q> If you want to shut down you use the command:     sudo halt
[18:51] <bullgard4> IdleOne: I do not know how much of the RAM my Base database needs for graphics and how much on the other side for data, libraries and calculations.
[18:51] <IdleOne> bullgard4: I don't know either. I suggest asking in #oo.org perhaps
[18:52] <bullgard4> IdleOne: That channel is pretty idle.
[18:52] <IdleOne> bullgard4: maybe #libreoffice or try OO.o forums perhaps
[18:53] <ikonia> isn't it #openoffice.org ?
[18:53] <ikonia> as I told you earlier bullgard4
[18:54] <IdleOne> ah, perhaps it is that.
[18:55] <rewalsar> IdleOne: Just don't do that again. Who the F are you to decide whether its legal or illegal. If I had to attack, I can do that well in windows too. There are numbers of software for that in windows. Just change your thinking. and don't reply to this, I don't want to hear anything.
[18:55] <rewalsar> IdleOne NO
[18:55] <hypatia> rewalsar: you may want to read the IRC guidelines
[18:55] <hypatia> rewalsar: http://goo.gl/cEF1w
[18:56] <Corey> Beat me to it.
[18:56] <hypatia> thanks, ikonia
[18:57] <EvoGamer> hey, does anyone know why bzip2 is constantly failing with 'permission denied' (on Natty LiveDVD)?
[18:58] <EvoGamer> I'm trying to pipe the output of DD to it
[18:58] <ActionParsnip> EvoGamer: dd won't make a live usb for you
[18:58] <EvoGamer> ActionParsnip, I don't want it to
[18:58] <ActionParsnip> EvoGamer: why are you using dd?
[18:58] <tsimpson> EvoGamer: we'd need more context to give an answer
[18:58] <EvoGamer> ActionParsnip, I want to backup the C: drive
[18:59] <gmachine_24> I want to copy/clone the hard drive where I store my music. I have one drive that already is a back up that I use rsync to keep them synched. But I want another back up drive and I think cloning software will be faster to copy the entire drive which has about 110GB of data. Any suggestions?
[18:59] <ActionParsnip> EvoGamer: i see, so you are taking an image with dd?
[19:00] <Usuario> what do I have to type in password if I have no password? If i write nothing I cannot access
[19:00] <EvoGamer> ActionParsnip, yes
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> gmachine_24: if it is ext based filesystem, you can use partimage
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> Usuario: set a password, makes things work
[19:00] <gmachine_24> ActionParsnip: it is ext3
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> gmachine_24: partimage will work well
[19:00] <Usuario> actionparsnip, hi again, me from yesterday, can I set a passwor dfrom the command line in recovery mode?
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> EvoGamer: does the location you are outputting the file to have enough space and mounted writable?
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> Usuario: yes, use root recovery mode and set a password
[19:01] <gmachine_24> ActionParsnip: Ok. Which I can run from within Ubuntu, right? No need to have a separate boot CD or anything?
[19:01] <Usuario> actionparsnip, how??
[19:02] <nit-wit> Usuario, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> gmachine_24: if the partition can be unmounted then it can be used
[19:03] <EvoGamer> ActionParsnip, space, I'm not sure, but after compression it should have enough
[19:03] <EvoGamer> ActionParsnip, as for mounting, it's mounted rw
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> Usuario: hold shift at boot, select recovery mode, select root then you can run:  passwd foo    there (change foo for your username)
[19:03] <uni4dfx> are Upstart 1.1 builds available yet?
[19:03] <gmachine_24> ActionParsnip: Ok, yes, it can be. It's an entire drive - separate from the OS drive, etc. Ok, thanks.
[19:03] <threexk> hello.  How do you move the Window buttons to the right in 11.04?
[19:04] <nit-wit> threexk, gcof-editor
[19:04] <nit-wit> *gconf-editor
[19:05] <sudokill> does ubuntu tweak not work well in 11.04
[19:05] <sudokill> that can od it
[19:05] <ActionParsnip> !controls | threexk have youo NOT seen the thousand-some guides online!?
[19:05] <threexk> ubottu: I did, but there are so many different methods I was not sure which one was best--which actually work properly
[19:06] <threexk> ActionParsnip: I did, but there are so many different methods I was not sure which one was best--which actually work properly
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> threexk: they are all fine, they all achieve the same end
[19:07] <threexk> ActionParsnip: I read that some do not work when the window is maximized
[19:07] <threexk> I am looking in gconf-editor, but there are lots of settings here...
[19:07] <zicada> is there a channel for oneric ?
[19:07] <edbian> Johnnee_: You there?
[19:08] <sudokill> threexk, just google "11.04 windows buttons"
[19:08] <sudokill> window buttons
[19:08] <nit-wit> zicada, #ubuntu+1
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> threexk: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[19:09] <threexk> sudokill: that's what I initially did, but there were a diversity of methods, so I was not sure which were proper
[19:09] <sudokill> ok
[19:10] <sudokill> ubuntu tweak could od it on 10.10 so it should on 11.04
[19:10] <threexk> ActionParsnip: thanks, I am trying it.  Hopefully it works for 11.04.  Strange that there is not a simple built-in configuration setting for this.
[19:10] <sudokill> its a really good program
[19:10] <Usuario> how do I solve dexter is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
[19:10] <Usuario> ?
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> threexk: gconf is gconf dude, same deal
[19:10] <edbian> Usuario: visudo /etc/sudoers
[19:10] <edbian> Usuario: Add him
[19:11] <Usuario> edbian, do I execute that as dexter(user) or root?
[19:11] <steph7>  046d:0896 Logitech, Inc. OrbiCam not works in natty...any ideas?
[19:11] <sudokill> Usuario, root
[19:11] <sudokill> u have to
[19:11] <edbian> Usuario: You run it as a user that is allowed to sudo or root
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> Usuario: add your user to the admin group in root recovery mode with: usermod -a -G admin dexter
[19:12] <edbian> Usuario: Definitely not as Dexter.  If Dexter could add himself to the sudoer file you'd be in big trouble
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> Usuario: then dexter can use sudo, the users in the admin group can use sudo (and gksudo / kdesu)
[19:12] <edbian> Usuario: You could also add dexter to the admin groupb as ActionParsnip  suggests
[19:12] <edbian> Perhaps that is easier
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> it's closer to  the "ubuntu way" ;)
[19:13] <edbian> True
[19:13] <Usuario> edbian, im still with visudo /etc/sudoers, the terminal shows usage: visudo c q s ... please write the whole command
[19:13] <Usuario> edbian, im a noob
[19:13] <[[mandrix]]> damn mates.. whatś wrong with ubuntu11.04?
[19:13] <edbian> Usuario: Oh, apparently you need to give a flag.  IDK.  Add Dexter to the admin group.  It's better in multiple ways
[19:14] <Skaperen> mandrix: you tell us
[19:14] <Usuario> edbian, visudo /etc/ sudoers dexter ?
[19:14] <coconutz> in proftpd how can i limit ftp to show all directory and subdirectory but exclude one file from there?
[19:15] <llutz> Usuario: forget visudo,  "sudo adduser dexter admin"
[19:15] <phong_> hi guys, if i want to echo current path
[19:15] <phong_> how would i do that?
[19:15] <edbian> Usuario: No.  That is not correct.  I take it you want to ignore mine and ActionParsnip's advice and edit /etc/sudoers anyway?
[19:15] <phong_> or echo string
[19:15] <edbian> phong_: pwd
[19:15] <phong_> can i do 'echo mystring'
[19:15] <Usuario> edbian, not really, i was sticking to your instructions
[19:15] <edbian> phong_: echo $myString      if myString is a bash variable
[19:15] <phong_> edbian, what about i want to echo my own word
[19:15] <llutz> phong_: echo $PATH
[19:16] <phong_> echo "hello world" ?
[19:16] <edbian> phong_: echo #variableName
[19:16] <phong_> i dont use variable
[19:16] <edbian> phong_: sure, echo 'hello' works fine
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> Usuario: if you screw that file, you will cause all manner of issues, you can just add the user to the group and make life a LOT easier. Your choice
[19:16] <phong_> ok thanks
[19:16] <XuMuK> hi there
[19:16] <edbian> Usuario: I suggested twice to add Dexter to the admin group
[19:16] <phong_> single or double quote?
[19:16] <sudokill> Usuario, sudo nano /etc/sudoers      add this line: dexter ALL=(ALL) ALL           press ctrl+X then press Y to save
[19:16] <Usuario> edbian, the I didnt understand
[19:16] <XuMuK> all my links opens in ff and i'd like chrome...
[19:16] <edbian> Usuario: no hard feelings :)
[19:16] <XuMuK> how should i change it?
[19:17] <edbian> sudokill: Usuario ActionParsnip adding Dexter to the admin group is the prefered method
[19:17] <edbian> sudokill: And you should use visudo to avoid syntax errors
[19:17] <BobTheGreat> I just updated to kernel 2.6.39 in order to get my wifi working. Then wifi stopped working completely, and is still in this state when I returned to 2.6.38. WTF I thought the atleast the install/uninstall problem of installing and uninstalling stuff was solved. Why is this so messy. Do I have to reinstall everything now?
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: also visudo should be used, not nano
[19:18] <sudokill> same thing
[19:18] <edbian> BobTheGreat: What card do you have?
[19:18] <sudokill> visudo is safer
[19:18] <Usuario> please, not so fast, I can hardly follow you all: I have just typed usermod -a -G admin dexter, now what?
[19:18] <phong_> is ubuntu better then MAc os X?
[19:18] <sudokill> but nano is fine if ur not a complete idiot
[19:18] <edbian> sudokill: Yes. visudo is safer, that's why you should use it.
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: no, just boot to the official kernel and remove the kernel you added and remove the ppa
[19:18] <edbian> sudokill: It doesn't take a complete idiot to make a typo
[19:18] <BobTheGreat> rtl8191se
[19:18] <sudokill> ur changing one line
[19:18] <edbian> phong_: That's opinion but.  yes
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> phong_: better is an opinion, so never concrete
[19:18] <sudokill> all u have to do is read it
[19:19] <BobTheGreat> ActionParsnip, did that. problem worse then before.
[19:19] <nit-wit> phong_, that would be a personal preference don't you think?
[19:19] <phong_> yeah
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: why mess a file when there is a group to easily get access, the user currently cannot edit it as they aren't able to use sudo....
[19:19] <edbian> BobTheGreat: What card do you use?
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> phong_: it's as intelligent as asking if red is better than blue
[19:19] <sudokill> Action u could do it from another user
[19:20] <threexk> how do you restore gconf settings to their defaults?  I accidentally clicked some things
[19:20] <BobTheGreat> edbian, it is a realtek in an asus u31. rtl8191se
[19:20] <Usuario> sudokill, I accessed the sudoers file, where do I have to paste that line? bottom?
[19:20] <sudokill> yes anywhere
[19:20] <sudokill> on a new line
[19:20] <Usuario> sudokill Im writting it right below root
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: true, considering the clear level of ability, wouldn't adding a user to a group be more appropriate than having them manually edit VERY sensitive files?
[19:20] <BobTheGreat> uname -k now says: #42-Ubuntu <somedate>
[19:21] <Usuario> sudokill, file name to write same one?
[19:21] <sudokill> Usuario, tell me what u wrote before u save it
[19:21] <BobTheGreat> edbian, what do you mean by card?
[19:21] <threexk> nevermind, I figured out how to view a history
[19:22] <Usuario> sudokill, waht yopu told me to: dexter  ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[19:22] <sudokill> Usuario, yes just do ctrl+x then press y then press enter
[19:22] <edbian> BobTheGreat: The wifi card.  (your answer was sufficient).  I don't think i can help
[19:22] <BobTheGreat> ok
[19:22] <sudokill> Usuario, yea thats fine save it as same name
[19:22] <Usuario> ok, done, nopw what?
[19:22]  * ActionParsnip shrugs
[19:22] <edbian> Usuario: Now dexter can sudo
[19:22] <BobTheGreat> how do I atleast have the system return to the state it was in before installing the new kernel?
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: I told you already...
[19:24] <BobTheGreat> ActionParsnip, I guess I did that, but now wifi doesn't even list ap's.
[19:24] <Usuario> edbian sudokill  moving to sudo chmod 755 /home/dexter
[19:24] <BobTheGreat> how do I check the version of the kernel I am using?
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: uname -a
[19:25] <edbian> Usuario: k
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: you will need to reboot to the older kernel
[19:25] <BobTheGreat> it says 2.6.38-8-generic
[19:25] <Usuario> edbian, I dont recall if you have been helping me with my ICEauthority problem
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> BobTheGreat: that is the official natty kernel
[19:26] <edbian> Usuario: I was not but I suspect that the problem is that the file is not owned by dexter.  dexter probably did not need to become a sudoer
[19:26] <BobTheGreat> yes, but before I changed and reverted the change, wifi listed ap's. Now it doesn't.
[19:27] <inso> Anyone here who's got some experience with Code::Blocks? I can
[19:27] <Usuario> edbian, rebooting
[19:27] <inso> I can't find a setting
[19:27] <edbian> Usuario: ok
[19:29] <xskydevilx> When I try plugging in my Bluetooth stick the Bluetooth icon is grayed out and if I go to preferences and click on "Turn On Bluetooth" it doesn't do anything, after multiple attempts. Any ideas, guys?
[19:31] <Usuario> edbian sudokill more help needed, I still get the f*cking ICEauthority problem, but at least I can see my ubuntu GUI, now I am prompted to enter a password to unlock my login keyring, because the password I use to log in the computer no longer matches that of my login keyring
[19:32] <dwightschrute> Hello guys! In 10.04 I had the option to open the windows that were open at the time of the last shutdown/reboot but I can't find that option in 11.04!? How can I activate such a feature?
[19:32] <edbian> Usuario: who owns the ICEAuthority file?
[19:33] <BobTheGreat> Linux is such total shit. There always the tinkering, halfsolved problem. Even windows XP is lighyears ahead. Never had an unproblematic wifi connection under linux. I seems like the install/uninstall are not consistent, ever. The fresh install is nice, but once you start adjusting it to your needs it quickly turns to unreliable, ad-hoc, bullshit. Had to be said.
[19:33] <lolen> 123
[19:33] <EvoGamer> BobTheGreat, no it didn't have to be said
[19:33] <Usuario> edbian dexter I guess, I dont see that file, I have tried to unlock yhis password pop up with both passwords, but none works
[19:33] <llutz> Usuario: "ls -l ~/.ICEauthority"
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> linux rox
[19:34] <edbian> Usuario: I'm not sure how to fix the keyring thing.  First things first.  ls -l ~/.ICEauthority
[19:34] <BobTheGreat> :) it did. linux people need to fix their focus if there will ever be a year of linux desktop.
[19:34] <IdleOne> !language | BobTheGreat
[19:34] <edbian> llutz: darn!  Bet me to it...
[19:34] <EvoGamer> ActionParsnip, I solved my issue with help from the #gentoo guys
[19:34] <dougl> the red elvis
[19:35] <edbian> dwightschrute: using unity?
[19:35] <EvoGamer> ActionParsnip, for reference the solution was to pipe back to dd after running through bzip2
[19:35] <edbian> BobTheGreat: If you want help ask for it.  If you want to complain / debate go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:35] <dwightschrute> edbian: nope, using gnome2 classic
[19:35] <BlouBlou> BobTheGreat: you have any question? we don't want to read that nonsenses
[19:35] <edbian> dwightschrute: System -> Admin -> Session ?
[19:36] <ranjan> BobTheGreat, ask the hardware vendors to give the details of hardware instead of burrying it in their ass. You will see drivers better than the proprietary evolving
[19:36] <dwightschrute> edbian: there is no admin -> session in 11.04, but I remember that there was one in 10.04 and that's where I had enabled the option to reopen the windows
[19:37] <BobTheGreat> BlouBlou, yes actually I did. How do I restore kernel/wifi to "factory settings" in 11.04?
[19:37] <edbian> dwightschrute: Yeah i'm on an 11.04 machine right now...  Hang on lemme research
[19:37] <Steve^> Can anyone recommend a tool that tells you the best wifi channel?
[19:38] <BlouBlou> BobTheGreat: reinstalling it?
[19:38] <Usuario> edbian, crap, I can only see some parts of my machine, and it has very mimited functionality: none of my menus is accesible, but I was able to log in as dexter: I have tried to open a terminal from WITHIN ubunt GUI, but I cannot, I guess I have to reboot and use the recovery mode again
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> steve: wififofum
[19:38] <Usuario> limited*
[19:38] <steph7> built in camera 046d:0896 Logitech, Inc. OrbiCam not works in natty...any ideas?
[19:38] <BobTheGreat> BlouBlou, "it"?
[19:38] <toad`> what is that open source software for windows for burning ISO's
[19:38] <edbian> Usuario: sounds good. we need to see ls -l ~/.ICEauthority
[19:38] <IdleOne> !burn
[19:38] <Steve^> lotuspsychje, for windows mobile??
[19:38] <BlouBlou> BobTheGreat: what did you change in kernel? what's your exactly problem?
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> steve: yes
[19:39] <sudokill> his attitude
[19:39] <robrt`> toad`, CDBurnerXP?
[19:39] <edbian> dwightschrute: System -> Preferences -> Startup?  What's in there?
[19:39] <Steve^> lotuspsychje, how about a linux app, given that this is #ubuntu
[19:39] <robrt`> There's another one that I can't recall the name of..
[19:39] <sudokill> toad, imgburn and infrarecorder are the best 2
[19:40] <sudokill> imgburn has the most options
[19:40] <robrt`> Right, imgburn, that's the one :-)
[19:40] <BobTheGreat> BlouBlou, I got rid of the 2.6.39, but wifi still doesn't show list of ap's. Apparently it is no longer working. Also, I have not changed anything about wifi, just installed 2.6.39 and uninstalled it, and did a update-grub.
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> steve: kismet
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> brb
[19:41] <dwightschrute> ed1703: I don't have Prefs -> Startup, but I do have Prefs -> Startup applications which is just the programs/daemons started at boot
[19:41] <BlouBlou> BobTheGreat: then what's the problem?
[19:41] <dwightschrute> edbian: I don't have Prefs -> Startup, but I do have Prefs -> Startup applications which is just the programs/daemons started at boot
[19:41] <edbian> dwightschrute: Trying to recall the GUI here.  There are no tabs there?
[19:42] <dwightschrute> edbian: no, no tabs
[19:43] <BobTheGreat> BlouBlou, "wifi still doesn't show list of ap's. Apparently it is no longer working." Prior to the kernel change/rechange, wifi worked but not with wpa. Not it is totalled. For all I know alot of things got broken by changing the kernel back and forth.
[19:43] <edbian> dwightschrute: bad news:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742263
[19:43] <toad`> rob
[19:44] <toad`> sudaya,
[19:44] <toad`> sudokill,
[19:44] <toad`> you're right
[19:44] <sudokill> what
[19:44] <toad`> infrarecorder is it
[19:44] <BlouBlou> BobTheGreat: then install the maverick's kernel, it works fine for natty (I tried it and no problems)
[19:44] <sudokill> r u on win7?
[19:44] <toad`> currently
[19:44] <toad`> I need to securely delete
[19:44] <toad`> my two laptops
[19:44] <sudokill> it has a built in iso burner
[19:44] <toad`> I has rootkits
[19:44] <toad`> etc...
[19:44] <FloodBot1> toad`: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:44] <Usuario> edbian, have I missed some steps: Im in the recovery mode terminal as root, ls -l ~/.ICEauthority No such file or directory, I also cd ed to that directory, same command, same answer
[19:44] <sudokill> toad whats that to do with iso burn?
[19:45] <toad`> I need to burn dran to a cd
[19:45] <sudokill> burn whatever to cd
[19:45] <toad`> I'm wondering tho
[19:45] <sudokill> use the built in iso burner, infrarecorder or imgburn all do samre thing
[19:45] <toad`> I have two partitions dual boot
[19:45] <toad`> do I have to secure delete from within ubuntu
[19:45] <toad`> to take care of its partition? Or would dran take care of the entire thing?
[19:45] <sudokill> what do u dual obot ubuntu and win7?
[19:45] <edbian> Usuario: You're missing the .ICEauthority file entirey?
[19:46] <Usuario> edbian, afraid so
[19:46] <toad`> yea
[19:46] <toad`> 10.04
[19:46] <sudokill> i dont even know what dran is
[19:46] <sudokill> tbh
[19:46] <Usuario> edbian QWIA
[19:46] <toad`> Boot N Nuke
[19:46] <Usuario> edbian, WAIT
[19:46] <BobTheGreat> BlouBlou, don't you get it: My computer is, according to versions and packages, actsactly in the state it was, but now it is working less good. I would very much like to fix the problem introduced by changing kernels before I change to another one.
[19:46] <Usuario> edbian, im definetively a noob
[19:46] <edbian> Usuario: waiting...
[19:46] <Usuario> lol
[19:46] <toad`> sudokill,
[19:46] <sudokill> toad, u can boot into an ubuntu livecd and use gparted to delete the partition
[19:46] <toad`> dban
[19:46] <sudokill> or format it
[19:46] <toad`> sorry
[19:46] <toad`> dban.org
[19:47] <sudokill> idk whatever it is its not needed
[19:47] <BobTheGreat> nevermind, I google, read, waste my time on this BS.
[19:47] <Usuario> hihihi100 (of the group) hihihi100 owns .ICEauthority
[19:47] <Usuario> edbian hihihi100 (of the group) hihihi100 owns .ICEauthority
[19:47] <toad`> its needed for windows
[19:47] <toad`> its just quick tho
[19:47] <toad`> convienant
[19:47] <toad`> you just stick the cd in
[19:47] <FloodBot1> toad`: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:47] <sudokill> toad thats for secure delete from what i read, just format it from a livecd when the drives not mounted
[19:48] <sudokill> or download partedmagic and burn it to disk its useful to have
[19:48] <toad`> so dban
[19:48] <edbian> Usuario: are you logged in as dexter right now?  (is there a user named hihihi100)
[19:48] <toad`> but
[19:48] <sudokill> has all sort of tools
[19:48] <Usuario> edbian, sudokill, hihihi100 owns the ICEauthority file, should I change that to dexter of the group dexter?
[19:48] <toad`> I want to delete both partitions
[19:48] <toad`> would gparted take care of both
[19:48] <toad`> win/linux
[19:48] <FloodBot1> toad`: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:48] <Usuario> edbian, I am root
[19:48] <toad`> I want to nuke it all and just start over
[19:48] <sudokill> toad, delete them both from a live disc thats all u have to do
[19:48] <toad`> ok
[19:48] <Usuario> edbian root@hihihi100-laptop
[19:48] <toad`> lemme get my disc real quick
[19:48] <sudokill> toad, all it requires is literally deleting the 2 partitions
[19:49] <dwightschrute> edbian: your google fu is better than mine, anyway, that is a very bad news, thanks for taking your time to help!
[19:49] <sudokill> no need for a "nuke" program
[19:49] <Usuario> edbian, yes, there are 2 users, it seems, dexter and hihihi100 (odd)
[19:49] <edbian> Usuario: You're logged in as root then
[19:49] <Usuario> edbian, yes
[19:49] <edbian> dwightschrute: sure :)
[19:49] <toad`> sudokill,
[19:50] <toad`> can I use the LiveCD to formate a windows machine?
[19:50] <toad`> Ive never used linux to formate or erase anything
[19:50] <toad`> I need to do a secure delete tho
[19:50] <toad`> for my shit is compramised
[19:50] <edbian> Usuario: run this: chown dexter:dexter /home/dexter/.ICEauthority
[19:50] <sudokill> toad, download partedmagic (google it) burn it to disk, boot into parted magic, run gparted, delete the 2 partitions they will merge into one, then ur done
[19:50] <Usuario> edbian, given that im root, shouldnt I sudo?
[19:51] <sudokill> toad, i say partedmagic because its good to have a disk of it at hand
[19:51] <edbian> Usuario: Given that you're root you do not need to sudo (that is the whole point of sudo)
[19:51] <_SnipeR_PvP> âñåì ïðèâåò
[19:51] <`alz1> ïðèâåò! ÷å íîâåíüêîãî ? _SnipeR_PvP ;-)
[19:51] <shababhsiddique> is there anyonw who use banglalion in bangladesh?>
[19:51] <Usuario> edbian, im wont repeat that im a noob
[19:51] <shababhsiddique> is there anyonw who use banglalion in ubuntu
[19:51] <Usuario> i*
[19:51] <edbian> Usuario: :)
[19:52] <sudokill> Usuario, you never need to use sudo if ur logged in as root or used somehting like sudo -i
[19:52]  * shababhsiddique banglaion usb sux on ubuntu
[19:52] <_SnipeR_PvP> ëþäè à ïî÷åìó ÿ ñ ýòîãî ñåðâåðà çàõîäèòü ìîãó à ñ operanet íåìîãó????
[19:52] <sudokill> Usuario, when ur logged in as root you dont ever have to enter ur password for anything, u can run what u like no need for sudo
[19:52] <BKTech86> hi, I've made a startup usb disk with 11.04 32-bit iso but when I try to boot up it says "firmware error b43... something" and then i get a frozen screen with white/black blocks
[19:52] <babalu> does anyone know how to install skypemate on ubuntu 10.10?
[19:52] <Usuario> edbian sudokill done, and checked, dexter of the group dexter owns the ICEauthority file
[19:53] <sudokill> Usuario, hence the reason logging in as root is bad for normal use
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[19:53] <FloodBot1> _SnipeR_PvP: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
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[19:53] <Usuario> edbian, reboot?
[19:53] <_SnipeR_PvP> àààààààààààà
[19:53] <edbian> Usuario: log out and try to log in as dexter (reboot if you're in recovery mode)
[19:54] <sudokill> _SnipeR_PvP, b quiet
[19:54] <Usuario> edbian, rebooting
[19:54] <BKTech86> hi, I've made a startup usb disk with 11.04 32-bit iso but when I try to boot up it says "firmware error b43... something" and then i get a frozen screen with white/black blocks -- can anyone help please?
[19:55] <SirDilon> Funny little problem here, I'm installing java using the apt-get command in command line, and I got to the terms. Now, I cannot accept those. Kinda funny, but..
[19:55] <sudokill> SirDilon, what do u mean
[19:56] <Cheri703> SirDilon: try tab and enter, you probably can't click on the ok
[19:56] <sudokill> ah
[19:56] <JPP> BKTech86: Have you tried using a regular CD instead of your USB flash?
[19:56] <BKTech86> JPP: no
[19:56] <BKTech86> JPP: shouldn't a usb stick work ??
[19:56] <Lobo29> SirDilon, i believe you can use Synaptic package manager instead to load java
[19:57] <sudokill> BKTech86, try a cd anyway
[19:57] <sudokill> if it works then problem solved
[19:57] <JPP> BKTech86: It's the possibility of something being corrupted or the computer having issues with the USB stick. I've personally foud that CD's work a lot better for myself on multiple PC's.
[19:57] <Usuario> edbian, I still get the ICEauthority could not be updated popup, my machine has like 2% functionality logging in as dexter
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> SirDilon: http://www.multimediaboom.com/how-to-install-java-in-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-ppa/  I use that
[19:57] <sudokill> JPP I agree u cant go wrong with CD/DVD most of the time
[19:57] <edbian> Usuario: ls -l /home/dexter/.ICEauthority
[19:57] <SirDilon> Ok. Will try that now.
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> SirDilon: use TAB and ENTER to accept the terms
[19:58] <edbian> Usuario: Let's look that the read / write permissions are correct now
[19:58] <BKTech86> JPP: the only blanks i have are in pretty bad condition and i'm not able to get more atm
[19:58] <tjiggi_fo> BKTech86, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[19:58] <SirDilon> Tab and enter actually worked. Thanks!
[19:59] <ActionParsnip> SirDilon: np :D
[19:59] <Cheri703> SirDilon: a lot of people run into that :)
[19:59] <JPP> tjiggi_fo: surely a problem with WIFI firmware wouldn't stop a PC booting into an installer?
[19:59] <edbian> BKTech86: do you have a BCM43XX card?
[19:59] <sudokill> SirDilon, I remember hwen i first started i didnt know what do do for those lol
[19:59] <nightcrow> BKTech86: the cursed broadcom! :)
[19:59] <nightcrow> non-free :)
[19:59] <sudokill> cursed wifi
[19:59] <Usuario> edbian, I really appreciate your help, but I think I may have given you some mistaken information: I just logged in as dexter, but the "about me" icons top right it appeared as dexter(hihihi100)
[19:59] <tjiggi_fo> BKTech86, though I'm not sure why a wireless driver would affect your display
[20:00] <Lobo29> Question, Can I ask about server issue here or is that another channel ?
[20:00] <tjiggi_fo> JPP, agreed
[20:00] <nit-wit> Lobo29, not sure but there is also #ubuntu-server.;)
[20:00] <JPP> Lobo29: This covers ubuntu, so i guess you could ask here. But the guys at #ubuntu-server might know more about your problem.
[20:00] <ActionParsnip> Lobo29: sure
[20:01] <Usuario> edbian which shouldnt be of importance, I also tried to log in with the other username, that gave me 0% functionality
[20:02] <edbian> Usuario: There are two names that the system associates with each user.  One is the 'real' name.  that is someting like Robert.  Then there is the user name (usually something shorter) like bob   the username is the name the system uses most of the time. it must be all lower case.  The 'real' name is used occasionally and never for security.  dexter, (I think) is the 'real name'
[20:02] <Lobo29> Ok, I'll  give you a shot at it :P  Installed 11.04 and finished fine on a Dell 1650 server, but now i get Cannot display video mode, I need to edit Grub to fix, but how ?
[20:02] <sudokill> Usuario, type whoami
[20:03] <nit-wit> BKTech86, how did you load the usb qwhat app was used?
[20:03] <sudokill> itl be the same as the login nanem lol
[20:03] <nit-wit> *what
[20:03] <[[mandrix]]> damn ubuntu 11.04 64 arch
[20:03] <Usuario> sudokill, im root, but Im in the recovery mode terminal as root
[20:03] <sudokill> didnt u make the user "sexter"?
[20:03] <[[mandrix]]> can finish my installation
[20:03] <sudokill> dexter
[20:03] <sudokill> oops
[20:03] <[[mandrix]]> cant finish my installation
[20:03] <sudokill> lol
[20:03] <JPP> sudokill: lol.
[20:03] <edbian> hahahah sexter...
[20:04] <sudokill> :P
[20:04] <[[mandrix]]> yoh... guys,, any issues with 64bit on the latest release?
[20:04] <Usuario> sudokill, yes, I can also change to dexter in the recovery mode terminal
[20:04] <[[mandrix]]> using ext4
[20:04] <sudokill> Usuario, what I mean is, didn't you make the user account, called dexter?
[20:04] <JPP> [[mandrix]]: I think it installed to my VMware fine, but that doesn't exactly prove anything in the physical computing world...
[20:06] <Usuario> sudokill, I changed my username to dexter (that was my initial idea) 2 days ago, and moved all data from hihihi100 (old username) to dexter (new username) or so I thought, It seems in the process I f*ccked up
[20:06] <JPP> Lobo29: Since no-one has answered you for a while, maybe try #ubuntu-server :)
[20:06] <sudokill> Usuario, what the home directory?
[20:06] <Usuario> sudokill, home dir is dexter, hihihi100 no longer exists
[20:06] <Lobo29> Yes, TY JPP
[20:06] <Usuario> sudokill, all my files are present in the dexter dir (home/dexter) no data loss
[20:07] <JPP> Usuario: I take it you have tried "chown -R dexter:dexter /home/dexter" ?
[20:07] <BKTech86> i can't install 11.04 because of my wireless card:  The error is b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucod16_mime.fw" not foundturbo disabled
[20:07] <Usuario> jpp, yes
[20:07] <sudokill> Usuario, ok. meh idk what to say ive only ever used 1 user no experience in changing stuff
[20:07] <BKTech86> i dont understand why my wireless card has anything to do with installing ubuntu
[20:07] <JPP> Usuario: So what happens when you boot up? it doesn't work at all?
[20:07] <BKTech86> BKTech86: usually I just download the driver once I have ubuntu installed
[20:08] <sudokill> BKTech86, it shouldnt, it shoud only mean connecting to net or not
[20:08] <JPP> BKTech86: Remove the card anyway and try installing ubuntu?
[20:08] <BKTech86> sudokill: it's a laptop I can't open it up right now
[20:08] <BKTech86> the message also says:
[20:08] <Usuario> jpp, i cannot access any of the menus, dont see the backscreen, cannot use internet (but my machine recognizes the local wifi)
[20:09] <BKTech86> go to wireless.kernel.org or something
[20:09] <JPP> Usuario: so it logs on to desktop okay?
[20:09] <BKTech86> "download the correct firmware for this driver version"
[20:09] <munson> in 11.04 is there a fix for the Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[20:09] <sudokill> BKTech86, i dont even know how far u r in installer
[20:09] <sudokill> BKTech86, so it is the wireless then
[20:09] <JPP> sudokill: i think his machine hangs while booting the installer.
[20:09] <BKTech86> sudokill: you know when you boot up and u see the davinci symbol
[20:09] <sudokill> BKTech86, can u get into the livecd or not?
[20:09] <Usuario> jpp http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10877229#post10877229
[20:09] <BKTech86> sudokill: i hit enter, English, Install ubuntu, it says 11.04
[20:10] <edbian> BKTech86: You have two problems.  One is your wifi card the other is your not being able to boot / log in / whatever.  I sincerely doubt that the wifi card is causing the second issue.  Fix the second issue first.  Can you describe it again to me please?
[20:10] <sudokill> ok
[20:10] <munson> no audio off that card..its with the realtek chipset
[20:10] <BKTech86> edbian: i dont have a problem booting the live usb
[20:10] <Usuario> jpp, ignore dexter is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported, thats been solved
[20:10] <BKTech86> edbian: it just crashes while trying to install ubuntu
[20:10] <sudokill> BKTech86, boot into the livecd and do the wifi driver thing
[20:10] <sudokill> whatever its saying to do
[20:10] <sudokill> then try install
[20:11] <BKTech86> sudokill: when the error happens, I don't have a chance to do anything
[20:11] <saulo> Hello! I have this bug. Somebody has a fix to this? Like a manual login? I have another machine who have the .ubuntuone folder and was working before system upgrade, and this machine os working now. But I have a netbook and nee sync the files. If I can do this manually could be great!  The bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/gwibber-bugs@lists.launchpad.net/msg00962.html
[20:11] <sudokill> i dont know anything about wifi though
[20:11] <saulo> [Bug 745540] Method "CreateItem" with signature	"a{sv}(oayay)b"	on interface	"org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist
[20:11] <sudokill> BKTech86, i thought it only errored on the installer?
[20:11] <BKTech86> well how could i install a driver before i've even installed the OS it doesnt make snese
[20:11] <edbian> BKTech86: You haven't installed yet?  Are those errors from the live USB?
[20:11] <BKTech86> edbian: exactly
[20:11] <sudokill> u might be able to from livecd
[20:11] <edbian> BKTech86: You can install the driver to the live USB
[20:11] <sudokill> dno if u need reboot
[20:11] <sudokill> idk sounds dodgy tho
[20:12] <sudokill> why do so many people have problems with wifi
[20:12] <BKTech86> edbian: it sounds like i'll have to.  i'll try to check out that link from the picture i took
[20:12] <draconus01> Good afternoon
[20:12] <evildaemon> Audio won't work from recovery prompt, pulseauidio is running
[20:12] <sudokill> lol
[20:12] <edbian> BKTech86: Ubuntu live images crash if there is bad hardware or a bad image on the USB/CD.  Try re-creating the USB key
[20:12] <JPP> Usuario: have you tried CHmoding your home dir?
[20:12] <JPP> (as root)
[20:12] <edbian> sudokill: Because the firmware for the cards is proprietary and you have to manually install it yourself for legal reasons
[20:12] <evildaemon> Any other daemons required?
[20:12] <BKTech86> edbian: well its telling me the wifi card is the problem so i'm going to try that first
[20:13] <sudokill> edbian, i know but it just causes so many problems
[20:13] <draconus01> I set up a raid 10 using this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/install-ubuntu-with-software-raid-10
[20:13] <edbian> BKTech86: The wifi card will not work.  I'm very familiar with those errors.  That is not the reason it is not booting
[20:13] <edbian> sudokill: It is annoying
[20:13] <draconus01> And now I am getting an error 15 in grub on boot
[20:13] <sudokill> yea
[20:13] <evildaemon> ..............
[20:13] <sudokill> wifi is like the most talked about problem
[20:13] <Usuario> jpp, I decided to try the command you posted again (it may be my fault, but it could be possible that I tried that command, but failed to write it correctly, as of now, I have copied it, and my machine is waiting
[20:13] <sudokill> on linux
[20:13] <draconus01> help would be greatly appreciated. Using 11.04
[20:13] <Usuario> jpp, does that mean is it actually chwoning the whole dir?
[20:14] <JPP> -R means the directory and everything underneath, yes
[20:14] <evildaemon> It would seem that anytime I ask a question NOT related to wifi no one knows the answer
[20:14] <olskolirc> Is Ubuntu a linux system or something else?
[20:14] <sudokill> evildaemon, why do u need audio from recovery prompt?
[20:14] <sudokill> olskolirc, its a linux distro
[20:14] <edbian> It seems to be that anytime I ask about anything no one knows the answer
[20:14] <sudokill> of course
[20:15] <evildaemon> Just wanted to run without X, a whimsical thing.
[20:15] <olskolirc> those knuckle heads on the Ubuntu page on facebook is saying its not linux it's its own system
[20:15] <olskolirc> go smack them
[20:15] <sudokill> evil, why dont u install arch or some other distro
[20:15] <olskolirc> they are confusing newbies
[20:15] <sudokill> olskolirc, people will always tell u linux is the kernel
[20:16] <JPP> evildaemon: ubuntu server does not include X by default. And debian allows you to deselect GUI in the installer and run with just X.
[20:16] <olskolirc> it is isn't it sudokill
[20:16] <sudokill> olskolirc, but ubuntu is linux all "linux" distros are
[20:16] <olskolirc> one guy said its not linux its "gnu"
[20:16] <evildaemon> I know, I don't have a problem with X, I'm just curious why audio won't work in recovery prompt.
[20:16] <Usuario> jpp, how much time can it last?
[20:16] <sudokill> linux and gnu
[20:16] <sudokill> linux is the kernel bit
[20:16] <evildaemon> Well, they're half right sorta, lol.
[20:16] <JPP> normally if something is chowned it'll last until the system changes it.
[20:17] <draconus01> the raid array is active and syncing as it should be, just grub doesn't find /
[20:17] <JPP> make sure you run the chown command as root.
[20:17] <cutout> Hi, I installed miscrosoft fonts from software center but am unable to find the fonts in firefox or liber office
[20:17] <JPP> draconus01: GRUB doesn't really like software RAID.
[20:17] <draconus01> I am aware, but this tutorial makes me think it is possible
[20:17] <JPP> is the /boot partition on the RAID?
[20:17] <andrea> \o
[20:18] <draconus01> no
[20:18] <draconus01> it is outside the raid
[20:18] <draconus01> if you check that tutorial link
[20:18] <sudokill> cutout, im not sure have u logged out/in?
[20:18] <draconus01> I set it up like that verbatum, save for the fact that the boot partition is 100mb instead of the 50mb the tutorial stated.
[20:18] <draconus01> http://www.howtoforge.com/install-ubuntu-with-software-raid-10
[20:18] <cutout> sudokill: yes, should I restart
[20:19] <draconus01> mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows that the raid array is active and happy
[20:19] <sudokill> cutout, it wont hurt but ive got ms fonts installed and can select arial times new roman etc in FF
[20:19] <JPP> draconus01: what does GRUB say?
[20:19] <draconus01> error 15
[20:19] <sudokill> cutout, i always reboot if i have problem with anything just to rule it out
[20:19] <cutout> sudokill: but i cant
[20:19] <draconus01> which is cant find / dir
[20:19] <draconus01> if I recall
[20:20] <BKTech86> so how can I install the proprietary driver for my wifi card to my live usb so that I can install ubuntu?
[20:20] <JPP> is it possible to tell us what your boot line is? i think if you hit E on an option it shows it.
[20:20] <sudokill> BKTech86, boot into it as usual and install it
[20:20] <Saalko> Hi everyone. I have a proplem with the program "rarcrack" http://rarcrack.sourceforge.net/ I installed the programm, but everytime when I try to execute the programm. It says that the file didn't exist or I don't have the permission. I already set the permission per "chmod +x. So the file is executable.
[20:21] <evildaemon> BKTech86, use an ethernet cord to get the firmware.
[20:21] <BKTech86> sudokill: but it wont let me get fully into live boot
[20:21] <sudokill> saalko try crark
[20:21] <sudokill> BKTech86, i thought u got as far as the installer?
[20:21] <Usuario> I have executed a command in the terminal, and after pressing return, I only see the text of the previous commands and the cursos, tiling cursor, is that normal? I assume it means that the last command is still being executed, isnt it? Or am I wasting my time?
[20:21] <Juest> hi, does everything gets migrated when i upgrade to natty?
[20:21] <BKTech86> sudokill: no i got the main menu wher eyou have the options : check disk, install ubuntu, etc.  I select install ubuntu -> crash
[20:21] <sudokill> Usuario, normally means its busy
[20:22] <Usuario> sudokill ah, thats good news
[20:22] <evildaemon> Usuario, it may mean you didn't finish the command
[20:22] <BKTech86> sudokill: i need to install the driver directly onto the usb somehow
[20:22] <evildaemon> Or that it's busy
[20:22] <Juest> ummm
[20:22] <Usuario> good good
[20:22] <Juest> does everything gets migrated when i upgrade to natty?
[20:22] <Juest> ...
[20:22] <Usuario> im still chowning to dexter, which means I didnt chowned correctly before
[20:22] <evildaemon> AFAIK
[20:22] <sudokill> good luck upgrading it broke everything for me
[20:22] <Juest> lol
[20:23] <sudokill> broke nvidia and my network
[20:23] <Juest> really?
[20:23] <sudokill> to list 2
[20:23] <evildaemon> I agree with sudokill, lol
[20:23] <evildaemon> My next installs probably gonna be arch, fedora, or gentoo
[20:23] <sudokill> arch is a good choice :)
[20:23] <Juest> i have hicolor-icon-theme broken now, upgrading to natty fixes it?
[20:23] <draconus01> any idead?
[20:23] <draconus01> ideas?
[20:23] <sudokill> go arch and u wont use anythingelse
[20:23] <novodinia> What is the process of downloading a package with its source using apt-get source <package> and then compiling and installing the package? apt-get source --compile <package>? Where is the .deb file if this is the correct method?
[20:23] <evildaemon> I'm leaning towards fedora TBH.
[20:23] <Juest> ummmm
[20:23] <sudokill> Juest, no point upgrading to fix an icon set
[20:24] <BlouBlou> sudokill: both are known problems
[20:24] <sudokill> BlouBlou, ??
[20:24] <Juest> does every package gets upgraaded
[20:24] <Juest> ???
[20:24] <sudokill> BlouBlou, the nvidia and network thing?
[20:24] <BlouBlou> network has solved in a debian patch, it will be included in few days. Nvidia is in launchpad as high
[20:24] <BlouBlou> sudokill: yes ^
[20:24] <Usuario> its been 5 minutes already
[20:24] <sudokill> ah ok
[20:24] <BlouBlou> has been*
[20:24] <sudokill> Usuario, im not sure what ur even doing but it may be wrong
[20:24] <evildaemon> What was the command?
[20:25] <evildaemon> If it's something like dd, that could take an hour.....or two
[20:25] <Juest> BlouBlou: umm, does upgrading to natty migrates everything?
[20:25] <sudokill> Juest, yes it tells u what it wont
[20:25] <Usuario> sudokill, the last command I executed is chown -R dexter:dexter /home/dexter and IT JUST ENDED!!
[20:25] <sudokill> ok
[20:25] <BlouBlou> Juest: what do you mean by "migrate"?
[20:25] <Usuario> kpp, the last command I executed is chown -R dexter:dexter /home/dexter and IT JUST ENDED!!
[20:25] <evildaemon> That makes sense
[20:25] <Usuario> jpp, the last command I executed is chown -R dexter:dexter /home/dexter and IT JUST ENDED!!
[20:25] <evildaemon> stop spamming
[20:25] <sudokill> Juest when u upgrade it'll upgrade and let u know whats gona be removed or changed
[20:26] <Usuario> sorry
[20:26] <BlouBlou> evildaemon: s/spam/flood
[20:26] <Juest> !repeat | Usuario
[20:26] <Juest> !spam | Usuario
[20:26] <JPP> Usuario: "just ended"?
[20:26] <Juest> !troll | Usuario
[20:26] <Juest> -.-
[20:26] <Cheri703> I think he did it because he typed the person's name wrong, and wanted them to highlight
[20:26] <Cheri703> he's not trolling
[20:26] <BlouBlou> Juest: he isn't doing it, please stop
[20:26] <Cheri703> as far as I can tell...
[20:26] <draconus01> perhaps sda1 which is the boot partition is not pointing to sde1 which is the "array" and the / dir
[20:26] <Juest> ok
[20:26] <Usuario> yes, which I assume means that every file and folder inside /home/dexter is now chowned to dexter:dexter
[20:26] <draconus01> how do I get into sda1 and check that from the live cd?
[20:27] <Juest> BlouBlou: migration =all the configuration remains
[20:27] <BlouBlou> Juest: Yes
[20:27] <draconus01> I know I need to modify the boot.cfg file
[20:27] <draconus01> if that is in fact the case
[20:27] <Usuario> edbian, jpp, should I reboot now?
[20:27] <JPP> Usuario: Try it :)
[20:27] <sudokill> Usuario, reboot whenever u want
[20:27] <sudokill> takes what 20 secs
[20:28] <Juest> BlouBlou: well, everything remains? and packages gets updated? even users? ummm, does updating fixes hicolor-icon-theme?
[20:28] <Juest> i have it broken
[20:28] <pr0ton> hi
[20:28] <pr0ton> has anybody used ubuntu as a streaming server?
[20:28] <Usuario> will it finally work now?
[20:28] <pr0ton> i want to stream videos on my computer to my ipad and android
[20:28] <sudokill> Huest yes everything remains thats why its an upgrade not clean install
[20:28] <sudokill> Juest*
[20:28] <pr0ton> both are jailbroken/rooted, so i can install extra apps if needed
[20:28] <Juest> AH
[20:29] <Juest> thanks....
[20:29] <Juest> bye
[20:29] <BlouBlou> Juest: I don't know if it will fix it or not. and yes, all packages will be updated to a newer version of itselfs. Configurations shoudln't fail
[20:29] <Juest> going to natty
[20:29] <evildaemon> pr0ton, I haven't personally but I'm sure that you can.
[20:29] <sudokill> Juest, if anythings not compatible or needs to be removed the upgrader will elt u know
[20:29] <KaiDOg> I forgot I had this here. I'm guilty of idling! Noes!!!!11
[20:29] <rawsupport> hi! I try to access from ubuntu 11.04 a smb share on a windows 7 pro machine. I try smbclient -L //IP_of_my_win7_system I always get protocol negotiation failed : ERRnomem .... Any ideas?
[20:29] <pr0ton> evildaemon, sure you can, wanted to know which servers people use?
[20:29] <Juest> maverick meekrat --->> natty nattowal!!!!!! yayayaya here we go :Dç
[20:29] <Juest> cyaa
[20:29] <sudokill> good luck
[20:30] <sudokill> c u in a bit
[20:30] <Juest> :)
[20:30] <Juest> byes
[20:30] <sudokill> when u come back complaining
[20:30] <sudokill> :)
[20:30] <Juest> lol
[20:30] <Saalko2> Okay now two problems. ^^ the standard IRC Chat programm empaty isn't working. It works for ICQ, but it has big problems (on my netbook with IRC Servers.) Did anybody know a good alternative? (IRC+ICQ programm +Skype would be perfekt, but didn't think that any messanger works with Skype.) Secound the rarcrack programm (I know sudokill answered it already but yeah problems with IRC sry.
[20:30]  * Juest goes to update and will stay here :P
[20:30] <draconus01> no one?
[20:30]  * Juest is running ubuntu on a vm
[20:30] <sudokill> Juest if u can make a backup image first
[20:30] <Juest> yeah, i won't
[20:30] <BlouBlou> Saalko2: empathy isn't a IRC client
[20:31] <JPP> Saalko2: I use X-chat for IRC. But that's an IRC-only client.
[20:31] <sudokill> Saalko2, i use xchat and weechat
[20:31] <BlouBlou> Saalko2: try irssi (cli) or xchat (gui)
[20:31] <Juest> maybe a copy of the vdi
[20:31] <sudokill> Xchat is good
[20:31] <BlouBlou> irssi is better
[20:31] <KaiDOg> BitchX?
[20:31] <sudokill> ner ner
[20:31] <sudokill> shut up bitch
[20:31] <JPP> BlouBlou: Depends what you prefer.
[20:31] <IdleOne> !language | sudokill
[20:31] <evildaemon> irssi in shell
[20:31] <Usuario> edbian, jpp, Im in the log in screen, there are 2 users: Dexter(dexter) and Dexter(hihihi100) I may have got confused with the "real name" and (username), as I though those 2 (realname and username) would be the same
[20:31] <evildaemon> chatzilla in firefox
[20:31] <evildaemon> xchat for a client
[20:31] <BlouBlou> JPP: Of course :-)
[20:31] <JPP> Usuario: Try Dexter(dexter)
[20:31] <IdleOne> sudokill: that sort of attitude will not be tolerated at all.
[20:31] <Saalko2> I think both are only IRC clients right? But wanna have something witch works witch ICQ and IRC (Don't wanna open two programms)
[20:31] <BKTech86> I get this error trying to install 11.04, please help! http://img37.imageshack.us/i/img3855d.jpg/  -- next screen: http://img841.imageshack.us/i/img3857w.jpg/
[20:31] <Juest> sudokill: read upç
[20:32] <sudokill> upc?
[20:32] <JPP> I'm on a windows box, so an unofficial X-chat windows build is what I use
[20:32] <Juest> yeah xchat-wdc
[20:32] <Juest> or pidgin, is like empathy
[20:33] <Usuario> JPP, same f*cking problem, could not update ICEauthority file /home/dexter/.ICEauthority, the file I know it exists in that same directory and its owned by dexter:dexter
[20:33] <Saalko2> Than I'll try pidgin thx.
[20:33] <JPP> as root, CD to /home/dexter
[20:33] <evildaemon> *sigh* hackers.............
[20:33] <JPP> and paste the output of "ls -l .ICEauthority"
[20:33] <draconus01> ...
[20:33] <rawsupport> BKTech86 : That looks like a wlan driver problem
[20:33] <Usuario> JPP, edbian, sudokill, what about this second message? There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256)
[20:34] <JPP> Usuario: would it hurt to do a full reinstall?
[20:34] <BKTech86> rawsupport: ok but i haven't installed the OS yet so what can I do ??
[20:34] <JPP> it's looking pretty trashed
[20:34] <Usuario> jpp, yes
[20:34] <Usuario> too much
[20:34] <JPP> In the time we've spent talking about it, you could be in a fresh system.
[20:34] <Juest> lol
[20:34] <Saalko2> Okay 2. problem: rarcrack http://rarcrack.sourceforge.net/ I installed the programm and after I execute: "rarcrack /home/<UserName>/example.rar" he says that the file didn't exist or I didn't have the permissions. The file exists and I set the permission per chmod +x.
[20:35] <rawsupport> BKTech86: Is it a notebook? Can you turn off wlan? Somtimes you can add commands to the kernel when booting (in grub) but I don't know how to deactivate WLAN
[20:35] <JPP> Saalko2: try "./rarcrack"
[20:35] <JPP> if it's in the same directory
[20:35] <BKTech86> rawsupport: turn off lan in bios ?
[20:35] <JPP> not specifying "./" will make the shell look in your PATH variable, which does not include the local directory.
[20:35] <rawsupport> Saalko2 : why chmod +x why not chmod +r ?
[20:35] <BKTech86> rawsupport: yes its a laptop
[20:36] <JPP> rawsupport: so he can execute it.
[20:36] <illmortal> Can someone assist me with Virtual Machine topic? Do I need to have my own Windows disc in order to install Windows into a virtual machine? And is it better to run Windows applications (Adobe Master Collection Suite 5) onto the virtual machine, or will it be incredibly slow on performance? (pushing 3.6ghz with 6gb of ram)
[20:36] <rawsupport> BKTech86: you could try that. Turn it off in bios
[20:36] <BKTech86> rawsupport: ok ..
[20:36] <BKTech86> rawsupport: thanks here i go
[20:36] <EnsignRedshirt> What would be the best way to install Ubuntu on an older computer if the LiveCD doesn't get the X settings correct?  The computer is currently running 6.06, so I have a good xorg.conf.
[20:36] <JPP> illmortal: you need a windows disc. PC with that spec could be okay
[20:36] <illmortal> awesome, thank you JPP!
[20:36] <JPP> but it's always faster to use physical hardware
[20:36] <FORTHELULZ> Is there any way I can take files out of the ".wine" directory on my computer and put them on my Desktop?
[20:36] <JPP> just experiment i guess :)
[20:37] <Saalko2> @ JPP no doesn't works. And @ rawsupport don't know I everytime use +x I'll set the permission at +r and try again thx.
[20:37] <illmortal> ya JPP... but I fear that WINE might crash while in the middle of my work... cannot afford that at the very moment lol... client really needs a website by the end of Monday :P
[20:37] <JPP> illmortal: I take it it's dreamweaver then, which should be okay :)
[20:38] <Usuario> JPP, this is driving me nuts: I logged in as Dexter(dexter), but in the upper right switch off icon I see Lock screen, guest session, switch from dexter... and Dexter (hihihi100) WTF is going on?
[20:38] <illmortal> JPP, it's the whole Adobe package heh..
[20:38] <Saalko2> no +r didn't give me the rights (or enough rights)
[20:38] <JPP> Usuario: sounds like your logins and everything is messed.
[20:38] <draconus01> :(
[20:38] <JPP> Back up and reinstall would be the easiest option.
[20:38] <JPP> Because we cant see computers in person, troubleshooting takes way longer here
[20:38] <Usuario> jpp, too much valuable information would be lost
[20:38] <JPP> Usuario: back up to another HDD first?
[20:39] <JPP> The terminal works, back up to memory sticks
[20:39] <FORTHELULZ> Hello?
[20:39] <JPP> or to the network
[20:39] <CarlFK> illmortal: technically you don't need the physical media to install win into a VM.  you can use an .iso .  There are licensing issues which I have no clue about.  The only way to really know if the speed will be tolerable is to try.
[20:39] <JPP> FORTHELULZ: can't you just click and drag them?
[20:39] <Saalko2> Anyone knows another program to recover .rar passwords?
[20:39] <Usuario> crap, I dont wanna have to recompile FGFS and all the software I had to compile
[20:39] <illmortal> lol Saalko2, been there done that.. it's nearly impossible.
[20:40] <illmortal> pretty much need a, "cracker"
[20:40] <FORTHELULZ> JPP: No I can't
[20:40] <JPP> Saalko2: the idea of encryption is for it to be virtually unbreakable.
[20:40] <bastidrazor> FORTHELULZ: when in the file browser (nautilus) press ctrl+h to see hidden directories (.wine) .. then drag and drop
[20:40] <FORTHELULZ> can't
[20:40] <JPP> FORTHELULZ: why?
[20:40] <FORTHELULZ> let me get it
[20:40] <bastidrazor> FORTHELULZ: can't is not a reason. be just a little less vague.
[20:40] <Saalko2> Yeah. I hate it to write something years ago and encrypt it ^^ well than I should continue with try and errors ^^ thanks.
[20:41] <Saalko2> Anyone knows how I can deinstall rarcrack? I can't see it in the softwarecenter. I am using Ubuntu 11.04
[20:41] <FORTHELULZ> "Error creating directory: Read-only file system"
[20:41] <FORTHELULZ> thats why
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> Saalko2: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/04/howto-crack-rar-7z-and-zip-files-with.html
[20:42] <BKTech86> please help -- I Can't install 11.04 because of my b43 wifi card -- how can I install the driver directly to my liveusb so that it has what it needs to run the install ?
[20:42] <KaiDOg> How can I tell if my ISP is blocking torrent protocols?
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> !remaster | BKTech86
[20:42] <FORTHELULZ> Well, bastidrazor ?
[20:43] <illmortal> JPP... is there a specific virtual machine you'd recommend?
[20:43] <JPP> illmortal: I've used VMware server on windows before, there is a linux version available
[20:43] <JPP> but if VMWare player is available for linux, use that
[20:43] <JPP> (i'll look for a link)
[20:43] <JPP> its easier to configure
[20:44] <illmortal> ok cool... ill check to see if it's in the repositories
[20:44] <illmortal> ya I need something user friendly
[20:44] <JPP> probably won't be.
[20:44] <evildaemon> So if I have a /home partition, and just wipe the hidden folders, I can distro hop perpetually right?
[20:45] <JPP> illmortal: https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/p/activate.php?p=player&lp=1
[20:45] <JPP> you need to register a free account with VMWare
[20:45] <bastidrazor> FORTHELULZ: / has been encountered some sort of error and has been mounted read only. reboot and watch for errors during boot
[20:45] <JPP> but VMWare player is there, and there is linux binaries.
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> evildaemon: sure, just format the root partition then in the installation, setup the home partition (set to not format it)
[20:45] <evildaemon> Yeah.
[20:45] <JPP> it's a 100MB download.
[20:46] <illmortal> cool
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> Greetings and salutations!
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> The Rundown:
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> I've got an XBox running XBMC getting to the internet via a cable running to my 10.10 netbook which has a wireless connection out to the internet.  My iPhone has an XBMC remote app and is on the same WLAN as the netbook. Question is, how do I get the iPhone to see the XBox?
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> XBox:  10.42.43.83/24, GW 10.42.43.1
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> Netbook: eth0 10.42.43.1/24
[20:46] <illmortal> thanks JPP!
[20:46] <UkeofJersey>                        wlan0 192.168.8.102/24, GW 192.168.8.1
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> iPhone: 192.168.8.102/24 GW 192.168.8.1
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> I didn't configure any of the 10.42.43.0 stuff, Ubuntu did it automagically when I clicked "Shared to other computers" in network connections.
[20:46] <UkeofJersey> How do I get the netbook to forward stuff from the iphone to the xbox?
[20:46] <FloodBot1> UkeofJersey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:46] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: this doc is way too complicated fo rme
[20:46] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: i just want to install ubuntu
[20:46] <Usuario> jpp, edbian, the whole story so far http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10877766#post10877766
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: if you want to add files and such to the ISO then you will need to use it.
[20:48] <hexdump_> Heya Folks!
[20:48] <hexdump_> I'm still having a wireless issue...
[20:48] <JPP> hexdump_: Hi :)
[20:48] <hexdump_> hey JPP
[20:48] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: when I installed this wifi card in my laptop i was already on 10.04 lts and I just had to download the proprietary driver form the hardware drivers menu
[20:48] <luckyone> hello all - is there any command I can run that will take my system back to a 'default' 11.04 install without wiping all of my data?
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: otherwise you may be able to use the files in the live CD to set it up
[20:48] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: why now can't ubuntu even install without this driver ??
[20:48] <hexdump_> for some dang reason when I boot up both of my wireless adapters.  Goes for my internal PCI wireless and my external USB wireless show up disabled.
[20:48] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: I can't get into liveCD or 11.04 install
[20:48] <JPP> luckyone: depends what you want to do. most stuff is package based so you can remove the packages you don't want
[20:49] <JPP> but typically there is no way to do this, as far as I am aware.
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: if its broadcom then the firmware is propritary
[20:49] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: both crash with this error: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/img3855d.jpg/
[20:49] <BKTech86> BKTech86: it is
[20:49] <BKTech86> BKTech86: so how do i get around this?
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[20:49] <hexdump_> I have atheros and realtek.  When I type in sudo rmmod ath9k my wireless usb adapter is enabled, the wireless is enabled and working properly.  I would really like to get the internal PCI adapter operational so I could use my wireless usb adapter elsewhere.
[20:49] <luckyone> JPP: I am looking to say here are the only packages you should have installed. remove everything that isn't this, then set these to the default config
[20:50] <JPP> luckyone: Don't think there is something that does that :/
[20:50] <UkeofJersey> bah, silly floodbot....Here is my question:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/614686/
[20:50] <hexdump_> if anyone has any ideas, please privmsg or msg.  thanks! =)
[20:50] <luckyone> JPP: I attempted to 'try' gnome shell and now my desktop on my netbook is JACKED!
[20:51] <JPP> luckyone: jacked?
[20:51] <JPP> be a little more specific :0
[20:51] <luckyone> JPP: I want to at least restore the default themes/UI
[20:51] <JPP> *:)
[20:51] <draconus01> come on. grub help?
[20:51] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: no, not yet.  how do i do that?
[20:51] <JPP> So, go back to the unity theme?
[20:51] <doc-donkey> i need help !!!!
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | BKTech86
[20:52] <luckyone> JPP: I am back in Ubuntu 2D - it just doesn't look right, like it is running clearlooks
[20:52] <luckyone> JPP: the appearance app seems to be gone
[20:52] <JPP> odd. Not something I can answer, someone else might know so stick around :)
[20:53] <[eXception]> hi, doom3 has no sound after update to 10.04 :/
[20:53] <EnsignRedshirt> When I boot from the a CD with 11.04, I get the little rectangle = circled man with a purplish backround, but then a window pops up (coming from the display, I believe), that says "Not optimum mode.  Recommended mode: 1600 x 1200  60 Hz"
[20:53] <[eXception]> lspci -v has no soundcard listed
[20:53] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: yep the md5 is correct
[20:54] <doc-donkey> i just installed 11.05 on my desktop computer, as a 2nd OS along side with XP. i installed 11.05 on the same hdd XP is on, but now i dont have any menu to choose from when i boot, and i cant boot from my windows partition when my 2nd sata hdd is connected.
[20:54] <LUEshi> sup linux master race
[20:54] <phunyguy> quick question... got several bash commands piped together which work great, until I background it with &
[20:54] <phunyguy> then it exits immediately and does nothing
[20:54] <LUEshi> how do i list the users in a particular irc channel
[20:54] <phunyguy> am i missing something?
[20:55] <luckyone> anyone in here skilled at getting things back to 'normal' after playing around too much?
[20:55] <LUEshi> how do i list the users in a particular irc channel
[20:55] <jenvy> only if you know exactly what you did. lol
[20:55] <LUEshi> is it /names?
[20:55] <phunyguy> LUEshi: please don't spam over and over... lol
[20:55] <coz_> luckyone,  that is a broad question... what do you want back to normal?
[20:56] <luckyone> jenvy: I tried to play around with gnome-shell
[20:56] <luckyone> coz_: I want to get back to 11.04 default everything
[20:56] <coz_> luckman212_,  ok  first open ccsm
[20:56] <coz_> luckman212_,  sorry
[20:56] <luckyone> coz_: without having to reinstall and lose all of my data
[20:56] <coz_> luckyone,  open ccsm
[20:56] <Flannel> LUEshi: in many clients, yes.
[20:56] <LUEshi> so how do i list the users in a particular channel using irc commands
[20:56] <LUEshi> in xchat
[20:56] <luckyone> coz_: ccsm?
[20:57] <coz_> luckyone,    yes open a terminal  and type ccsm
[20:57] <BKTech86> I have a Broadcom wifi card in my laptop and so 11.04 won't install, crashes, I've checked the iso md5.  How can I install ubuntu!?!
[20:57] <Usuario> please help me with my ICXEauthority problem, I found some more info http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10877766#post10877766
[20:57] <coz_> luckyone,  I assume this is 11.04..., yes?
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: test your RAM
[20:57] <LUEshi> no help?
[20:57] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: what??
[20:57] <luckyone> coz_: yes, this is 11.04
[20:57] <tjiggi_fo> LUEshi, in xchat you go to View >> User List
[20:57] <Usuario> edbian, are you here?
[20:57] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: the wifi card is the problem is it not
[20:57] <jiohdi> luckyone, the live cd now has the option to fix without deleting
[20:57] <Usuario> sudokill, are you here?
[20:57] <coz_> luckyone,  ok  did ccsm open or did it instruct y ou to install it?
[20:57] <LUEshi> tjiggi_fo, ty
[20:57] <luckyone> coz_: I am on a netbook, no ccsm
[20:58] <Usuario> jpp, are you here?
[20:58] <coz_> luckyone,   ok what is screwed up specifically
[20:58] <luckyone> coz_: I mean no compiz
[20:58] <jiohdi> luckman212_, it has an option to fix from 11.04 to 11.04 and retain all personal files
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: but the desktop doesn't load, its good to check so you know what is good, so you can zero in on what is good
[20:58] <JPP> Usuario: yes, but I cannot help you with your issue
[20:58] <LUEshi> i mean, i want to list the users in a particular channel without joining it tjiggi_fo
[20:58] <JPP> the only thing I would do is reinstall.
[20:58] <Usuario> jpp, not even with the new info?
[20:58] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: i'm already running ubuntu, my ram is fine
[20:58] <JPP> Usuario: afraid not. sorry
[20:58] <jiohdi> luckyone, it has an option to fix from 11.04 to 11.04 and retain all personal files
[20:58] <tjiggi_fo> LUEshi, dunno
[20:58] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: I just want to install 11.04
[20:59] <LUEshi> tjiggi_fo, thanks
[20:59] <jiohdi> luckyone, the live cd that is
[20:59] <luckyone> jiohdi: I will give that a shot
[21:00] <jiohdi> jiohdi, been there, fixed that :)
[21:00] <UkeofJersey> Any help with ICS? Details here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614686/
[21:00] <Usuario> jpp, can you at least tell me if deleting the group hihihi100 wich has 2 unmarked dexter's would make any different? would it be dangerous?
[21:00] <JPP> Usuario: I don't know, try it and see? It's pretty trashed. So uninstall is the best option.
[21:01] <yusuf> hi
[21:01] <EnsignRedshirt> Huh.  Hit a button on the monitor ("Exit / Source"), and the display appeared, looking very nice. Go figure.
[21:03] <CkhiKuzad> Hello. I was wondering if, while using GRUB, I could map the Super (Windows) key to booting Windows, rather than hitting "Down, Down, Down, Down, Down, Right"
[21:03] <tjiggi_fo> LUEshi, see "Names" here: http://deoxy.org/chat/unreal.htm
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: tried thealternate iso?
[21:04] <kingsley> Why would a web browser be able to visit a web site, but not the web site's IP address?
[21:05] <kingsley> Pointing the web browser at the IP address returns "There is no webpage configured at the URL you are trying to reach".
[21:05] <CkhiKuzad> kingsley, are you putting http:// before it?
[21:05] <guntbert> kingsley: Is that an ubuntu problem?
[21:05] <kingsley> CkhiKuzad: You ask a reasonable question, and yes, I am.
[21:05] <CkhiKuzad> Try omitting it?
[21:06] <Usuario> whats the difference betwenn user ID 1000 and 1001?
[21:06] <guntbert> Usuario: just another number
[21:06] <CarlFK> kingsley: server gets the host name and can act on that.  lets you have many sites on the same IP
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> Usuario: different user, the name is just an abstraction
[21:06] <HHX> kingsley - sometimes we servers share the same IP. There may be 40 web sites using that 1 IP address
[21:06] <kingsley> Usuario: I expect they're different users. The user names may be in /etc/passwd.
[21:06] <{adrianBc}> hi
[21:07] <HHX> CarlFX - beat me too it
[21:07] <{adrianBc}> somebody want to help me?
[21:07] <Usuario> actionparsnip, can you help me with the new info I added? read my post, the bottom part http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10877766#post10877766
[21:07] <guntbert> !ask | {adrianBc}
[21:07] <krystian> witam
[21:07] <guntbert> !pl | krystian
[21:07] <CkhiKuzad> Anyway, does anyone know a solution to my problem? Mapping super to booting windows, rather than multiple arrow presses?
[21:08] <{adrianBc}> y need to make autostartscript for my driver in ipcop
[21:08] <doc-donkey> anyone can help me install the dual boot thingy my version of 11.04 seems to lack ?
[21:08] <{adrianBc}> and y dont know how
[21:08] <guntbert> {adrianBc}: on ubuntu?
[21:08] <kingsley> HHX: That's a good point. I remember reading web server documentation that said the incoming query's URL would be used to direct the visitor to the right web site at that IP address.
[21:09] <{adrianBc}> ipcop distribution
[21:09] <guntbert> {adrianBc}: this channel is for ubuntu support only
[21:09] <kingsley> HHX: My only concern is that the web site says "There is no webpage configured at the URL you are trying to reach", which suggests to me a different problem.
[21:10] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: what is the alternate ?
[21:10] <sparr> How can I make "Guest Session" an option when my screen is locked?
[21:10] <nit-wit> doc-donkey, what is a dual boot thingy?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: it installs ubuntu but in a text mode, it installs a desktop OS
[21:10] <BKTech86> what is text mode?
[21:10] <sparr> kingsley: it's not specifically the URL but the Host header that apache uses to decide what site to serve to your visitor for a specific IP
[21:10] <doc-donkey> nit-wit: its the damn place where you get to chose what the computer will boot from, either XP or ubuntu
[21:11] <rcmaehl> libreoffice is much WORSE than microsoft office
[21:11] <rcmaehl> why
[21:11] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: i wont get a GUI ?
[21:11] <CarlFK> kingsley: sounds like apache vhosts need a host name.   so exactly what you describe.
[21:11] <rcmaehl> Why doesn libreoffice CRASH EVERY ubuntu pc I use it on
[21:11] <sparr> McManiaC: why what?
[21:11] <HHX> kingsley - Quick question, are you using godaddy for web hosting (or similar). If so they use shared IP address. Their internal routing is done via DNS names so what you are seeing is whats [supposed] to happen
[21:11] <rcmaehl> why did the devs do that?
[21:11] <sparr> why doesn't it crash? because it's awesome
[21:11] <guntbert> !ot | rcmaehl
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: not during the installation, the resulting OS will be a desktop OS
[21:11] <nit-wit> doc-donkey, the grub menu correct?  Are you getting this "grub>"   when you power on?
[21:12] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: ok .. if the end result is the same i might as well try it
[21:12] <rcmaehl> where do I report bugs?
[21:12] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: but i dont see why if the installer is telling me this hardware is the problem
[21:12] <rcmaehl> for 11.04
[21:12] <sparr> rcmaehl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[21:12] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: it seems i should address the problem it's telling me about
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: its worth a shot
[21:12] <doc-donkey> nit-wit: no sir i dont get this menu, plus i cant boot when my old ide or my second sata hdd is plugged to the computer
[21:12] <kingsley> HHX: According to the error page displayed at that IP address, the host is SiteGround.
[21:12] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: well it takes a long time for me to download that iso here
[21:13] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: why can't i fix the wifi driver anyway?
[21:13] <guntbert> kingsley: I still don't see how that is an ubuntu support question
[21:13] <josmala> How can I get those unitu toolbars NOT appearing when doing wine on full screen, they block scrolling on full screen wine apps.
[21:13] <nit-wit> doc-donkey, so lets stay on a very simple descriptive track we can not read your mind. Describe what happens when you boot and the operating systems .
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> BKTech86: you could blacklist the driverusing bootoptions and install offline
[21:13] <illmortal> Hey JPP... how do you install this .bundle file?
[21:14] <BKTech86> ActionParsnip: how?
[21:14] <JPP> illmortal: I'm not sure...perhaps execute it?
[21:14] <JPP> i'll google for you.
[21:14] <basilmeck> hey u ther
[21:14] <illmortal> heh.. I was looking for instructions specifically for VMware-Player-3.1.4-385536.x86_64.bundle
[21:14] <UkeofJersey> Still looking for ICS help:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/614686/
[21:14] <luckyone> jiohdi: I am buring a usb stick right now
[21:14] <JPP> illmortal: yes, execute it. try "sh VMware-Player-3.1.4-385536.x86_64.bundle"
[21:14] <luckyone> jiohdi: have you used this before?
[21:15] <JPP> or "./VMware-Player-3.1.4-385536.x86_64.bundle" (in same directory of course! :))
[21:15] <illmortal> interesting. Ok.
[21:15] <luckyone> jiohdi: to go from junk 11.04 to clean 11.04?
[21:15] <doc-donkey> nit-wit: i started off with XP being on sata hdd number 1, wich was splitted in 3 partition, i had disconnected both my sata hdd number 2 and my ide hdd, wich are my backups, in case something goes wrong.
[21:15] <McManiaC> sparr: what?
[21:15] <HHX> kingley - Is this your personal server. I am actually facing the same problems with GoDaddy, so I am building a single isolated Apache server.
[21:15] <guntbert> illmortal: you will need sudo bash ./VMWare......
[21:15]  * rcmaehl headdesks
[21:15] <doc-donkey> nit-wit: when prompted where i wanted my ubuntu installed, i choose to split the partition XP was on in two
[21:15] <rcmaehl> WHY is libreoffice included in the panel if it's not installed by default?
[21:16] <sparr> McManiaC: what what?
[21:16] <nit-wit> doc-donkey, folow this bot prompt to post the boot script ! bootinfo
[21:16] <sparr> !bootinfo | doc-donkey
[21:16] <sparr> nit-wit: see syntax above
[21:16] <Polah> Could I change the filesystem of a hard drive from ext4 to NTFS without losing the data on it?
[21:16] <nit-wit> sparr, thank.;)
[21:16] <sparr> Polah: no
[21:16] <UkeofJersey> Polah no
[21:17] <MonkeyDust> Polah: if you copy the data to another locatio, first
[21:17] <sparr> Polah: make a backup, think hard about why you want to change to NTFS, don't change.
[21:17] <McManiaC> sparr: I guess you just highlighted the wrong one :P
[21:17] <sparr> McManiaC: yeah, my bad, sorry
[21:17] <MonkeyDust> Polah: if you copy the data to another location, first, and then back after you changed the fs
[21:17] <McManiaC> sparr: kk :)
[21:17] <Polah> Sparr: I know, I'd rather not but it's because the drive needs to be shared between Windows and Ubuntu. MonkeyDust: Yeah, I know I could copy it off and then copy it back afterwards, I just wanted to know if I could just reformat it and have it work
[21:18] <illmortal> Got it JPP, thanks again!
[21:18] <JPP> illmortal: You're welcome! :D
[21:18] <nit-wit> doc-donkey, it is still not clear that is why I suggedt the bootscript. If you installed to a HD and had the others unplugged, put that HD first to be read in the bios.
[21:19] <nit-wit> *suggested
[21:19] <UkeofJersey> No help about 10.10 forwarding stuff to its ICS client?  Details:         http://paste.ubuntu.com/614686/
[21:20] <doc-donkey> nit-wit: it is not clear i agree
[21:21] <tabbernuk> Is it possible to exclude an application fully from application menu, not just the menu of particular application but also the title of it? It's a problem for users of Screenlets... Any hints welcome! https://bugs.launchpad.net/screenlets/+bug/753652
[21:22] <nit-wit> doc-donkey, it's not easy always describing. ;) run the bootscript it will get us much closer to the answer.
[21:22] <nit-wit> ! bootinfo | doc-donkey
[21:24] <doc-donkey> im on that nit-wit, i need to change the computers location if i want it to be connected to the internet
[21:24] <nit-wit> doc-donkey, cool I'm taking a cig break.
[21:25] <Usuario> edbian, hi
[21:25] <sparr> How can I make "Guest Session" an option when my screen is locked? I want other people to be able to use my computer when I'm not around
[21:25] <Usuario> o say can you see..
[21:26] <olskolirc> how can I see the date in 'history' of when I installed a package
[21:26] <stravant> Is it possible to create a keyboard shortcut involving the "Windows" key in Unity?
[21:27] <MonkeyDust> stravant: in ccsm
[21:27] <celthunder> stravant: why wouldnt it be (i don't use unity just don't see why it wouldn't be possible)
[21:27] <MonkeyDust> !ccsm| stravant
[21:28] <stravant> I have some shortcuts involving the windows key set in "Keyboard Shortcuts", but it appears that Unity is  staling the events
[21:28] <stravant> Even though they aren't actually used by Unity
[21:28] <nit-wit> stravant, did you see the bot on compiz?
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> stravant: in ccsm, choose Desktop - Unity Plugin
[21:29] <Usuario> how do I get rid of There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256) ?
[21:29] <celthunder> stravant: did it steal them or did it just not recognize that you pushed the windows key (aka is it mapped to something other than mod4/multi_key)
[21:29] <edbian> Torrents don't seem to work on my Ubuntu 11.04 machine.  The port testing thing in preferences seems to just hang when I test a port (51413)
[21:30] <nit-wit> edbian, which torrent app are you running?
[21:30] <MonkeyDust> edbian: i've used deluge torrent client for iso's, no prob
[21:30] <edbian> nit-wit: transmission
[21:30] <stravant> I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but Unity uses the Mod4 key to being up the Unity launcher, so I assume it's "stealing" it form the normal keyboard shortcuts thing
[21:30] <loua1> any one know ltsp server and thin clients
[21:31] <nit-wit> edbian, I second the deluge I have found transmission to not work all that well for me.
[21:31] <edbian> ok thanks
[21:32] <guntbert> loua1: I guess that #ubuntu-server will be the better place for your question
[21:33] <loua1> ty guntbert
[21:33] <eb3ha4el> I'm using Netbook with Atom N280 processer (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41411) is it usual then computer gets very slow watching youtube?
[21:34] <Usuario> toussaint There is a problem with the configuration server. (/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256)
[21:35] <The_Explorer> Pardon me, could i trouble one of you for the name of a compression utility that has alot of options. Perhaps multi-thread, memory usage and etc.
[21:35] <nit-wit> eb3ha4el, install the firefox addon flash aid and run it.  How much ram does that unit hne?
[21:35] <nit-wit> *have
[21:36] <eb3ha4el> nit-wit: HEy~ well I don't think it's RAM problem, since Gnonme system monitor tells me I've got plenty (900MB max, and about 300MB is being used)
[21:36] <stravant> MonkeyDust: What exactly should I be doing in ccsm to be able to set shortcuts?
[21:36] <novodinia> What is the process of downloading a package with its source and then compiling and installing the package? apt-get source --compile <package>? Where is the .deb file if this is the correct method?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> eb3ha4el: or use minitube, it doesn't need flash and uses a lot less ram
[21:37] <eb3ha4el> ActionParsnip: is it a website?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> eb3ha4el: its an app
[21:37] <guntbert> novodinia: why do you want to do that?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> !info miitube
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> !info minitube
[21:37] <SyGeek> !info smuxi
[21:38] <nit-wit> eb3ha4el, the flash aid add on will get you the latest adobe and clean out unneeded stuff including  the installer.
[21:38] <the_eye_> I run 10.10 no compiz, how can I make keyboard change workspace shortcasts ?
[21:38] <eb3ha4el> nit-wit: I'll try it thanks
[21:39] <eb3ha4el> ActionParsnip: I'l try it as well thanks
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> np
[21:39] <Seveas> the_eye_, system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts
 thanks I try it
[21:40] <illmortal> hey JPP... lol.. does VM Ware player not allow you to install 64-bit OS?..
[21:41] <JPP> illmortal: it does for me. I have a windows 7 64-bit VM and several 64bit linux VM's
[21:41] <JPP> did yuo specify the VM as 64bit?
[21:41] <JPP> *you
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> JPP: does your cpu support 64bit guests, is the cpu feature enabled?
[21:41] <illmortal> Yep... I installed the 64-bit version of the VM ware player
[21:42] <JPP> ActionParsnip: Mine does, it's illmortal that is asking :P
[21:42] <guntbert> illmortal: with most virtualization systems your host CPU must support it for 64 bit guests to run
[21:42] <illmortal> <_< I dunno it's a 8400 core duo.
[21:42] <illmortal> I can only assume it support 64-bit all around
[21:42] <viddy> I have a device emulating a scsi-device which the kernel fails to send commands to, e.g udev settle, blkid and the likes will just end up in a hung process.. Is there any way to send a kernel-parameter which makes it totally ignore this device entirely?
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> illmortal: check your CPU spec, also make sure the feature isenabled
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> illmortal: why do you need 64bit guest?
[21:43] <illmortal> virtualization.. is the feature, I imagine?
[21:43] <illmortal> action.. because I only have a 64-bit version of XP and 7
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> illmortal: i see
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> illmortal: if the cpu doesn't support 64bit guest you will need to buy 32bit XP etc
[21:44] <lololokoke> негры
[21:44] <edbian> deluge works.  Thank you however helped me!
[21:45] <illmortal> crap.. it doesn't.. just googled.
[21:45] <illmortal> alright thanks again
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> not ll CPUs suport it, folks need to realize this
[21:45] <JPP> Indeed.
[21:46] <SyGeek> !info wtf
[21:46] <sysdoc> lol
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> oh well, xp32 bit is cheap enough
[21:48] <Jaime771> Linux!
[21:48] <edbian> Linux :)
[21:49] <gdtrigas> natty
[21:49] <Jaime771> edbian: this is about Linux, right?
[21:50] <gdtrigas> anyone knows C++
[21:50] <edbian> Jaime771: This channel is about Ubuntu Linux, yes.
[21:51] <gdtrigas> which channel is about C++
[21:51] <edbian> gdtrigas: #c++ of course
[21:57] <josmala> It seems to me that switch user app doesn't work on my computer.
[21:58] <eb3ha4el> nit-wit: I tried it, I'm not sure whether it got any faster... I was actually more wondering about if the speed i get from this processer is normal. More about general performance of it and youtube watching thing as example.
[21:59] <eb3ha4el> nit-wit: what Processor are you using nitwit?
[21:59] <eb3ha4el> nit-wit: is it kind of latest?
[21:59] <tanath> anyone know why i can't drag to reorder apps on panel in gnome after upgrading to 11.04?
[22:00] <yassine_hell> hi
[22:01] <eb3ha4el> Anyone using Netbook here?
[22:02] <tanath> (i mean bottom panel)
[22:07] <yassine_hell_> hey .. when i insert my cd i get a black screen  "with boot:" ... what should i write?
[22:08] <Guest66932> Anybody have an idea? I want to play a video on my xubuntu system and listen to the audio on my ipod. I've googled to the ends of the earth and believe im missing something.
[22:08] <Arachon> There is something seriously wrong with my system... I just did apt-get autoremove, and er... The entirty of GNOME seems to have disappeared
[22:11] <vampired_d> !list
[22:11] <Juest> Arachon: wel then avoid apt-get autoremove
[22:11] <Juest> and reinstall gnome
[22:11] <Arachon> Juest: See now, apt-get autoremove is not *supposed* to do that, is it?
[22:11] <kostkon> Arachon, try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:11] <Juest> yes
[22:12] <Juest> it just detects some software marked as *not used*
[22:12] <wn1zid> autoremove is usually for ridding installed leftover packagings
[22:12] <Juest> and adds them to remove
[22:12] <Juest> yeah
[22:12] <Arachon> I thought autoremove removes unused dependencies
[22:12] <wn1zid> it shouldn't do what it di
[22:12] <wn1zid> d
[22:12] <Arachon> Now I know Unity is the new stuff... But I think it's a but unfair to mark GNOME2 as "unused", no?
[22:12] <philip_> hello !
[22:13] <Juest> no
[22:13] <kostkon> Arachon, unity is based on gnome2
[22:13] <Juest> switch via login
[22:13] <kostkon> Arachon, and unity in 11.10 is based on gnome3
[22:13] <Juest> in login you have choic
[22:13] <Juest> ces
[22:13] <wn1zid> i don't know about 11.04, maybe its screwed up in it, i'm still 10.10 over here
[22:13] <Juest> 11.10?
[22:13] <Arachon> kostkon: Oh, my bad
[22:13] <Juest> 11.04 you mean
[22:14] <Juest> wn1zid: i am upgrading :) i am in 10.10 too
[22:14] <wn1zid> i'm staying
[22:14] <wn1zid> it works 2 good
[22:17] <Georgi535549> Hello
[22:20] <mattv111> does anyone know how to fix the slow internet issue in 11.04. Ath5k card
[22:20] <Juest> ummm, updating drivers?
[22:21] <Juest> or is your ISP?
[22:21] <Juest> mattv111....
[22:21] <mattv111> no it's not the isp. I've searched all over
[22:21] <coilbucker> You could upgrade your network card.
[22:21] <mattv111> a lot of people are having this problem, but I can't seem to find a solution
[22:21] <Juest> yep, upgrade drivers
[22:21] <Juest> or keep googleing
[22:22] <mattv111> ok ill try that
[22:23] <coilbucker> Is there anything wrong with grub 1.9.something, or is upgrading to grub2 necessary?
[22:26] <qin> coilbucker: 1.9 is grub2 ;)
[22:26] <coilbucker> Oh, sorry. New at this.
[22:27] <lech> Ubuntu 10.10  :)
[22:27] <qin> Yes, folks from grub make it as confusing as possible.
[22:27] <lethu> hello, what's the best way to install e17 from ubuntu ?
[22:27] <tanath> anyone know why i can't drag to reorder apps on bottom panel in gnome after upgrading to 11.04?
[22:28] <coilbucker> I'm on 11.04 and there is no bottom panel.
[22:28] <qin> lethu: There is ready PPA for elightement.
[22:29] <lethu> qin, where can I find it ?
[22:29] <Duvrazh> Can anyone help me with a raid issue? Using ubuntu server 11.04 w/ webmin
[22:29] <qin> lethu: https://launchpad.net/~e17-packaging/+archive/ppa
[22:30] <Logan_> !ask | Duvrazh
[22:30] <lethu> qin, thanks
[22:30] <Guest91574> hey, my sound and inbox indicator have been removed from indicator appalet, can anybody help me
[22:31] <VCoolio> lethu: that's from two years ago, don't use that
[22:31] <Juest> Guest91574: add it again with Add Panels
[22:31] <Duvrazh> Ubuntu Server 11.04 w/ Webmin, having issues mounting a raid I've created in the LinuxRaid module using MDADM. I can't get the raid to mount anywhere "says already mounted as /dev/md0" but I can't open it's *current* mount point to test if it worked.
[22:31] <qin> Guest91574: Alt-F2 and "gnome-panel --replace". without the quotes. Does it help?
[22:31] <qin> Guest91574: If it is not Unity
[22:32] <lethu> VCoolio, oh ok, what shall I use ?
[22:32] <VCoolio> lethu: better compile the stuff, there a good script for it http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/easy_e17/easy_e17.sh
[22:32] <lethu> VCoolio, thanks, much appreciated
[22:32] <rww> !webmin | Duvrazh
[22:33] <Duvrazh> rww: alternatives?
[22:33] <rww> Duvrazh: no idea, sorry
[22:33] <VCoolio> lethu: check if you have the dependencies http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=download&l=en on the left
[22:33] <lethu> VCoolio, ok will do
[22:34] <Guest91574> qin, it didn't work
[22:34] <qin> Guest91574: Ate you Natty?
[22:34] <qin> *Are
[22:34] <Guest91574> ya
[22:34] <qin> Guest91574: Unity?
[22:35] <Guest91574> unity means?
[22:35] <Juest> yes
[22:35] <qin> Guest91574: Do you have "fancy" bar on the left?
[22:36] <FoolishOwl> I had exim4 on my old computer, which I'd upgraded through each release since 8.04. I don't remember installing it. I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on a new computer, and there's no MTA. Was an MTA installed by default in earlier releases?
[22:36] <Juest> what's MTA?
[22:36] <Guest91574> no
[22:36] <meowsus> Alright. So i installed XAMPP at /opt/lampp/ and i'm trying to set up an alias so I don't need to run "sudo /opt/lampp/lampp start" every time i try to start up the application. I created ~/.bash_aliases and added "alias xampp='/opt/lampp/lampp'" to it. When i try to run "xampp start" it says the application needs to be run as root, so then i try "sudo xampp start" it says that the xampp command isn't found. Any ideas as to why the
[22:36] <meowsus> SU wouldn't be able to find the alias i set up?
[22:37] <Arachon> I have installed network-manager-gnome, but I can't for the life of me find the network manager applet
[22:37] <tanath> coilbucker, 'cause you're in unity, not gnome
[22:37] <meowsus> Alright. So i installed XAMPP at /opt/lampp/ and i'm trying to set up an alias so I don't need to run "sudo /opt/lampp/lampp start" every time i try to start up the application. I created ~/.bash_aliases and added "alias xampp='/opt/lampp/lampp'" to it.
[22:37] <meowsus> When i try to run "xampp start" it says the application needs to be run as root, so then i try "sudo xampp start" it says that the xampp command isn't found. Any ideas as to why the SU wouldn't be able to find the alias i set up?
[22:38] <Guest91574> qin, any solution?
[22:38] <rww> !xampp | meowsus
[22:38] <tanath> anyone know why i can't drag to reorder apps on bottom panel in gnome after upgrading to 11.04?
[22:39] <meowsus> Hey rww, XAMPP is installed fine, just because i used XAMPP as an example doesn't mean that this is not a question about bash aliases
[22:40] <FoolishOwl> meowsus, it's a gotcha with sudo.
[22:40] <meowsus> FoolishOwl, ?
[22:40] <lorac> does someone know a good domain/webspace provider, which uses linux?
[22:40] <Duvrazh> Since webmin is not supported, does anyone have a good tutorial/article on creating a raid-5 with 4 spare 2TB hd's in my ubuntu server box?
[22:40] <rww> meowsus: ah, on rereading I see. In short, sudo requires an actual command as an argument, not an alias. In long, sudo is not bash, so it doesn't know what bash aliases are. It's looking for an actual executable file to execute.
[22:40] <meowsus> I figured that sudo might not know what i defined in my .bash_aliases file
[22:40] <EastDallas> Does anyone have any idea why empathy won't wrap when I type this message?  It just keeps expanding the size of the window?!?!?
[22:41] <rww> meowsus: one option is to change your alias to alias xampp='sudo /opt/lampp/lampp', perhaps?
[22:41] <FoolishOwl> meowsus, put 'sudo' at the beginning of the command within the alias definition.
[22:41] <BirdinaTux> I have a machine with ubuntu 8.04 and I want to upgrade to 10.04 to include kernel support for my new network card.  I currently have no internet on that machine.  When i try to run gksh "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" it doesn't work. How should I upgrade this system to 10.04
[22:41] <FoolishOwl> What rww said.
[22:41] <tanath> EastDallas, i don't, but you might like xchat better for irc anyway...
[22:41] <Arachon> Anyone? Network manager applet seems to be missing
[22:41] <meowsus> rww, FoolishOwl, that's what i was thinking. But i've done this before so that i could run "sudo xampp start" before on two machines. I'm on a new machine right now.
[22:42] <EastDallas> No, I've been using GNU/Linux for years, and don't like xchat.
[22:42] <tanath> Arachon, are you in unity? no more applets in unity
[22:42] <Arachon> tanath: Nope, GNOME 2
[22:42] <Duvrazh> Since webmin is not supported, does anyone have a good tutorial/article on creating a raid-5 with 4 spare 2TB hd's in my ubuntu server box?
[22:42] <meowsus> You know what i probably did? I probably created a sym link and put it in my /usr/local/bin directory
[22:42] <FoolishOwl> Arachon, I'll check something on my machine. Hang on.
[22:42] <meowsus> Thanks guys!
[22:42] <Arachon> tanath: I did install it from scratch though
[22:42] <rcmaehl> I plugged my joystick into my usb port. Why isn't it working?
[22:42] <tanath> Arachon, erm, why? it's in repos?
[22:42] <tanath> Arachon, i have mine from upgrade...
[22:42] <EastDallas> I like to get in and out of channels, and don't want to have another application running.
[22:43] <Arachon> tanath: No I mean GNOME 2... Like, from a miminal install
[22:43] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, check to see if you have a js0 in /dev/input
[22:43] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: yes js0 (idk what it is) and js1 (which is my usb joystick)
[22:43] <EastDallas> It was wrapping fine earlier today.  This started after a reboot.
[22:43] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, js0 = 1st joystick, js1 = 2nd joystick - do you have two plugged in?
[22:44] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: nope
[22:44] <rcmaehl> zykes-: unless it's detecting my wireless microsoft mouse as a joystick
[22:44] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: unless it's detecting my wireless microsoft mouse as a joystick
[22:44] <BirdinaTux> oh and when i boot from the 10.04 cd it gives me the option to write over the 8.04 or install next to it, but not upgrade it
[22:44] <meowsus> Tottttally what i did, rww, FoolishOwl, thanks so much!
[22:44] <tanath> Arachon, mine shows up due to indicator applet...
[22:45] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, you can "cat /dev/input/js0" and press buttons/move stick and see if you get ascii feedback, try js1 if js0 fails
[22:45] <Duvrazh> Can anyone offer assistance with creating raid-5 arrays from command line?
[22:45] <Arachon> tanath: I have indicator-applet installed, it shows the mail icon and the sound icon
[22:46] <tanath> Arachon, tehre are multiple indicator applets. try 'indicator applet complete' perhaps
[22:46] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: nope no change in js0
[22:46] <FoolishOwl> Arachon, do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[22:46] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, ctrl+c to quit and try js1
[22:46] <tanath> EastDallas, what don't you like about xchat?
[22:46] <hiexpo> why not just restore desktop
[22:47] <MykehDoom> Hello can someone hlep me?
[22:47] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: yes change in js1 when I move the joystick or press a button on it
[22:47] <pr0ton> anybody used ushare here?
[22:47] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, if you unplugged/replugged in the USB quickly sometime it will cause js0 to be a ghost
[22:47] <MykehDoom> help*
[22:47] <tanath> EastDallas, or is there something you like better about empathy?
[22:47] <sidewalk> anyone around who can help me out with some routing issues over openvpn?
[22:47] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: so how do I get my joystick to work?
[22:47] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, then the kernel sees your joystick - just be sure your game/whatever points to /dev/input/jsX - the default might just be /dev/jsX.  Good luck.
[22:48] <Arachon> FoolishOwl: Yeah, eth0 lo the norma
[22:48] <Arachon> *normal
[22:48] <MykehDoom> I'm trying to get my Belkin Wireless USB F7D1101 to work in Unbuntu 10.04.
[22:48] <Arachon> cept my wlan interfac actually
[22:48] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: how do I get it to work on the desktop?
[22:48] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, you mean like a mouse?
[22:48] <rcmaehl> yeah
[22:49] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, see if Ubuntu has a package xserver-xorg-input-joystick, and install it if it does.
[22:49] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: then reboot?
[22:50] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, ? perhaps just restart GDM "sudo service gdm restart" (will log you out!)
[22:50] <Duvrazh> Does anyone have experience in creating raid arrays from command line?
[22:50] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: ok
[22:50] <MykehDoom> I'm trying to get my Belkin Wireless USB F7D1101 to work in Unbuntu 10.04.
[22:51] <inso> Is gnome 3 stable for 11.04?
[22:51] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, you might want to reboot, it will probably set you joystick back to js0 (or should)
[22:51] <rww> inso: no
[22:51] <inso> bah
[22:52] <hexatron> it was pretty stable for me, but less responsive than unity. it also messes unity up somehow.
[22:52] <ZykoticK9> inso, if you want Gnome3 check out the new Fedora
[22:52] <tanath> EastDallas: switched to empathy and text is not wrapping for me either
[22:52] <inso> I tried fedora, sadly I'm new to linux and it was overwhelming. To say the least.
[22:52] <lsv> Duvrazh: this page might help ( you might need to register ) http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7939/?hq_e=el&hq_m=1218053&hq_l=12&hq_v=5befa782e4
[22:53] <tanath> EastDallas: expands the window
[22:53] <Juest> ZykoticK9; inso; fedora?, get ubuntu natty instead, it haves gnome3
[22:53] <MykehDoom> I'm trying to get my Belkin Wireless USB F7D1101 to work in Unbuntu 10.04. Someone help???
[22:53] <rww> Juest: no it doesn't. There's a PPA for GNOME 3, but it isn't stable (or supported).
[22:53] <hiexpo> i don't know about joy sticks but i know usb modems once pluggedin theyare assigned a value and always keep it
[22:54] <tonsofpcs> huh?
[22:54] <ZykoticK9> hiexpo, my experiences show joystick jump around a lot :|
[22:54] <hexatron> MykehDoom: check out this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478394
[22:55] <hiexpo> ZykoticK9, that could piss a guy off especially if you got to edit the config every time
[22:56] <ZykoticK9> hiexpo, it can certainly cause issues - luckily in my case, I have two identical joysticks - so not usually an issue.
[22:56] <FoolishOwl> Arachon, I'm not sure what else to suggest. Sorry.
[22:56] <MykehDoom> hexatron does this link work for you? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/firmware-nonfree/realtek/RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin
[22:56] <tanath_> EastDallas, if you've responded to me i haven't seen it. #ubuntu window froze in empathy
[22:57] <MykehDoom> that's the drivers, but the link wont work for me.
[22:57] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: yhx
[22:57] <Arachon> FoolishOwl: Okay :/ Thanks anyway
[22:57] <hexatron> nope
[22:57] <rcmaehl> thx*
[22:57] <MykehDoom> ugh.. =/
[22:57] <MykehDoom> wtf do I do?
[22:57] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, working?
[22:57] <tanath_> EastDallas, but yeah, same behaviour here. which gets really annoying when the window is maximized
[22:58] <rcmaehl> ZykoticK9: yep
[22:58] <ZykoticK9> rcmaehl, nice :)
[22:59] <BirdinaTux> I have a machine with ubuntu 8.04 and I want to upgrade to 10.04 to include kernel support for my new network card.  I currently have no internet on that machine.  When i try to run gksh "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" it doesn't work. How should I upgrade this system to 10.04
[22:59] <tanath_> EastDallas, have you filed or are you filing a bug report?
[22:59] <EastDallas> tanath_ Sorry, went to go get some dinner.
[23:00] <Barami> Hello. Who can help me about gnome3 with ppa?
[23:00] <tanath_> EastDallas, ah
[23:00] <ZykoticK9> BirdinaTux, are you using the 10.04 alternative cd?  I don't think you can upgrade from a LiveCD.
[23:00] <Barami> I have problem after installing the gnome3.
[23:00] <MykehDoom> Hey hexatron
[23:00] <tanath_> EastDallas, that's what /away is for :P
[23:00] <BirdinaTux> ZykoticK9,  no I was not. That is probably the whole problem. Thanks.
[23:01] <Barami> After installing gnome3, acpi doesn't work.
[23:01] <Barami> Even after login to gnome classic mode, acpi doesn't work.
[23:02] <BirdinaTux> ZykoticK9, I don't see a link for the alternative cd on the ubuntu website. Any Idea what it's under?
[23:02] <LAcan> I'm trying to delete a directory but ubuntu keeps telling me its not empty, despite the fact that there are no files in it. From the CLI i do an "ls -aR" and it lists sub directories, but also "Input/output error". Any fix?
[23:02] <EastDallas> tanath_: yeah, froze on me to when the window was maximized.  reporting bug.
[23:02] <ZykoticK9> BirdinaTux, http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ under Alternative
[23:03] <ZykoticK9> BirdinaTux, sorry Alternate
[23:03] <lsv> LAcan: sudo rm -fr dirname
[23:03] <tanath_> EastDallas, k, link me and i can say affects me too
[23:03] <Juest> LAcan: have you tired rm <path>/* and then rmdir <path>?
[23:03] <EastDallas> tanath: k
[23:03] <Juest> with sudo
[23:03] <FoolishOwl> Anyway, did Ubuntu go from installing an MTA by default to not installing an MTA by default at some point?
[23:03] <ZykoticK9> BirdinaTux, I think the feature you want is "upgrading from older installations without network access; "
[23:03] <BirdinaTux> ZykoticK9, this is exactly what I need. Thanks so much for your time.
[23:04] <LAcan> lsv, doesnt work "Directory not empty"
[23:04] <ZykoticK9> BirdinaTux, good luck.
[23:04] <thealphanerd> hey I know this question has probably been asked a million times... but I'm having a hard time finding good documentation... anyone know how to boot ubuntu from a usb on osx on a macbook pro??? the issue is efi if that helps
[23:05] <Loshki> LAcan: you're not supposed to get "Input/output error" from disk operations in normal use. Is there anything valuable on that disk? If so, back it up before you do anything else...
[23:05] <qin> LAcan: and dot files in? mv to different name and remove.
[23:05] <LAcan> Loshki, qin nothing valuable, im trying to erase everything on it...
[23:05] <LAcan> qin, no hidden (.) files either...
[23:06] <Juest> qin, how
[23:06] <Juest> to rename files?
[23:06] <qin> Juest: em?
[23:06] <hiexpo> mv
[23:06] <qin> Juest: mv oldnamee newname
[23:06] <th0r> Juest: you don't rename them, you move (mv) them to the new filename
[23:06] <multipass> does anyone know where foobnix saves the config data? i wanna reset it... cant find it though (uninstalling/reinstalling dosn twork)
[23:07] <VCoolio> multipass: .config/foobnix ?
[23:07] <Juest> or
[23:07] <qin> Juest: But there is feature: man rename
[23:07] <Juest> oh, move= mv
[23:07] <tanath_> multipass, might need to do a complete removal, then install
[23:07] <lsv> LAcan: type this ' cd && mv path-to-folder path-to-folder-new && sudo rm -rf path-to-folder '
[23:07] <Juest> is part of busybox?
[23:08] <Juest> because i have android
[23:08] <tanath_> multipass, else check in home folder. .config and such
[23:08] <Juest> qin,
[23:08] <kikki> Is monodeveloper the same as visual basics c#?
[23:08] <tanath_> multipass, aka a purge
[23:08] <lsv> LAcan: what i mean is, make sure you're not in the directory you're deleting, rename folder, then remove the folder
[23:09] <Loshki> LAcan: Good that there's nothing important on it. Next, I would unmount the disk and see if it fscks cleanly....
[23:09] <qin> Juest: Juest Dunno
[23:09] <ZykoticK9> tanath, FYI even "purge" won't touch config files in a home directory
[23:09] <Juest> i got it, rename is also a command
[23:09] <Juest> qin, try this
[23:09] <multipass> VCoolio: yeah there it is, thanks
[23:09] <LAcan> Loshki, not terribly familiar with fscks ...?
[23:09] <tanath> ZykoticK9: that's why i mentioned there too
[23:09] <LAcan> lsv, i wasnt in it
[23:09] <Juest> type busybox on a term
[23:09] <kikki> I cannot open the design (windows and buttons) of my code in MonoDeveloper but under visual basics c#? Anyone knows how to open the design of the code in MonoDeveloper for Ubuntu?
[23:10] <Israfel> For some reason I can't execute this program: "-rwxrwxrwx  1 jeff jeff   363197 2011-05-26 20:53 adb*" I get "No command 'adb' found". I'm in the directory it's located in.
[23:10] <fisteri> Anybody know why Ubuntu 11.04 doesnt want to be installed? Downloaded .iso from web and burned it to a disc. When I boot from disc it goes 10 seconds nicely. Then I get message "uncompression errror, system halted" :(
[23:10] <tanath_> Israfel, using ./command instead of 'command'?
[23:11] <sudokill> fisteri, check the disk is burned proper
[23:11] <Arachon> fisteri: Perhaps the image is corrupted somehow?
[23:11] <tanath_> Israfel, current working directory is not in $PATH and not searched when looking for a command to be run. you need to specify that it's in current dir with ./something
[23:11] <sudokill> fisteri, sounds 99% like a bad copy
[23:11] <hiexpo> that command was all fubar
[23:11] <lsv> LAcan: try to rename the folder and then delete?
[23:11] <Israfel> tanath, That worked. Why does it need that extra path control?
[23:11] <fisteri> hmm...
[23:12] <Israfel> tanath, thanks
[23:12] <tanath_> Israfel, looking in working dir is a security risk
[23:12] <fisteri> So all I can really do is download image again and hope for better results?
[23:12] <Arachon> fisteri: You might want to check the md5sum on the image
[23:12] <ZykoticK9> tanath, +1 cwd "should not be" in $PATH ;)
[23:12] <sudokill> fisteri, yes, either that or bad ram
[23:12] <Arachon> to see if it's corrupted or not
[23:12] <LAcan> lsv, no go, renaming it didint work either
[23:12] <Arachon> fisteri: Or you can just burn it again and hope it works
[23:12] <fisteri> few months ago 10.10 went in :o
[23:13] <LAcan> i think im just gonna format the damn disk lol
[23:13] <NFischer> Hi all! im looking for an open VOIP-Solution fur Ubuntu.. do you have any suggestions for me?
[23:13] <tanath_> ZykoticK9, yay. where can i redeem my points? :P
[23:13] <lsv> LAcan: where is this folder?
[23:13] <fisteri> no big deal to download it again its less than 1gb
[23:13] <ZykoticK9> tanath_, ;)
[23:13] <EastDallas> NFischer: Astrisk
[23:13] <EastDallas> asterisk
[23:13] <LAcan> lsv, its a seperate logical partition, formatted as ntfs and mounted to my home directory
[23:14] <razbojnik> for fisteri - maybe already mentioned, but is your ISO for 32-bit or 64-bit?
[23:14] <tanath_> ZykoticK9, i accept bitcoin :P
[23:14] <[deXter]> Hi all, I installed the 64 bit flash plugin - how can I make sure that Firefox is using it and not the 32bit plugin? about:plugins doesn't tell if its 64 or 32 bit..
[23:14] <fisteri> razbojnik: its 64bit, why?
[23:15] <sudokill> it should say ndiswrapper if 32
[23:15] <tanath_> [deXter], doesn't it specify the path? you can run 'file /path' to see where the link points
[23:15] <anidear> Hi! I get "permission denied" when try to copy files from an external hard drive (ext4 format). anyone know how to solve this?
[23:15] <[deXter]> tanath_: Nah it doesn't specifiy the path otherwise I'd have used the file command..
[23:15] <lsv> LAcan: another user mention you should try to unmount the partition.  Check what Loshki said
[23:15] <sudokill> sudo cp
[23:15] <razbojnik> I tried to install 32-bit on my new laptop befor4e I finally realized it was a 64-bit system. Just asking from experience! ;)
[23:15] <tanath_> [deXter], er, so you have 32-bit and 64-bit installed?
[23:16] <KatronixSerf> Hi all, in gnome2, what program chooses the screen saver for you?
[23:16] <LAcan> lsv, Loshki but if i unmount how do I delete/access it?
[23:16] <sudokill> its in the system settings
[23:16] <Juest> anidear: you have read perms in that partition?
[23:16] <[deXter]> tanath_: Yeah, the 32 bit one was installed by ubuntu when I clicked on it in the software center; I had to install the 64 bit separately.
[23:16] <yulcher> pardon a n00b, what is the .thumbnails folder in /home/? Is it just a cache that can be safely deleted?
[23:16] <LAcan> lsv, Loshki ok, this is messed but i just managed to delete it now... all gone.. success i guess and ty for the help!
[23:17] <sudokill> afaik the 64 bit flash isnt maintained and is security risk
[23:17] <robrt`> KatronixSerf, if you're looking to assign a key to running it, have a look at System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts :-)
[23:17] <lsv> LAcan: How?
[23:17] <tanath_> [deXter], could you not then uninstall the 32-bit one?
[23:17] <lsv> LAcan: I want to learn :)
[23:17] <hiexpo> yulcher, do not delete that folder
[23:17] <KatronixSerf> robrt`, actually I'm looking to tell it which one I want it to use
[23:17] <tanath_> [deXter], might be simpler
[23:17] <LAcan> lsv, in nautilus, move to trash.. the easiest way :)
[23:17] <yulcher> can I empty it? or not touch it?
[23:17] <[deXter]> tanath_: Hmm, I haven't tried that, yeah.
[23:17] <lsv> LAcan: lol nice
[23:18] <tanath_> [deXter], but sudokill says something you might want to note
[23:18] <sudokill> yulcher, u can empty it
[23:18] <robrt`> KatronixSerf, System > Preferences > Screensavers?
[23:18] <hiexpo> yulcher, yes you can empty it
[23:18] <robrt`> Or do you mean you want to set it dynamically?
[23:18] <NFischer> EastDallas, Thanks but Asterisk seems pretty complicated.. im looking moore like an open Teamspeak-equivalent
[23:18] <zen> how to stop blank screen who appear periodically after not touching mouse or keyboard on laptop
[23:18] <KatronixSerf> robrt`, that tells me I'm using gnomescreensaver and not xscreensaver, then asks if I want to switch
[23:18] <LAcan> lsv, it was a mozilla cache directory backed up from my winbox... could have been windows locking it for a set period.. i fuess?
[23:18] <Juest> yulcher: yes, is nautilus thumbails,
[23:18] <LAcan> guess
[23:18] <[deXter]> tanath_, sudokill thanks but I use flashblock and only click on the flash video when I have to (youtube), so I'm not worried too much about, thanks.
[23:18] <yulcher> ty sudokill and hiexpo, it's just taking up a gig for 30,000 thumbnails, wnted to gain back the space
[23:19] <jible> is anyone here good at making gtk themes?
[23:19] <hiexpo> yulcher, install bleachbit butbe careful on the settings
[23:19] <sudokill> [deXter], up to you, i dont even use flash
[23:19] <coz_> jible,  gtk themes are painful at best to create
[23:19] <CarlFK> zen: prolly under system, prefs, power management
[23:19] <[deXter]> sudokill: then you don't watch youtube?
[23:19] <robrt`> KatronixSerf, haven't come across that before, sorry. Suppose it wouldn't hurt to switch to the default. Did you Google the full message?
[23:19] <jible> coz_, i'm trying to mod one, you any good with that?
[23:20] <lorac> does stato.com use linux as the hosting system when u choose power hosting?? please, need help!
[23:20] <sudokill> [deXter] html5 works on some vids
[23:20] <coz_> jible,   the easiest method is to download an theme and begin editing it including the gtkrc file
[23:20] <tanath_> [deXter], not as secure as chrome's click-to-play, but if you prefer firefox you'll have to make due
[23:20] <sudokill> [deXter] you can use some progs like minitube
[23:20] <coz_> jible,   I used to do it until it became painful :)
[23:20] <robrt`> lorac, ask their sales / customer support team. We won't know.
[23:20] <yulcher> hiexpo, I have bleachbit...which option would clear out the thumbnails folder?
[23:20] <sudokill> [deXter] ur better off using 32 bit flash 64 wil probably be well out of date
[23:20] <lsv> LAcan: Don't know, just glad you solved it ;D
[23:20] <jible> coz_, this is a gtk2 theme, i want to take one part of a theme and use it in another theme
[23:20] <zen> CarlFK , tried already, not working
[23:20] <[deXter]> sudokill: I'm on a low end machien (netbook) so I'd rather use the 64 bit.. will take all the performance I can get.
[23:20] <fisteri> had to switch for laptop, desktop comp is rebootin by itself :D
[23:20] <KatronixSerf> robrt`, no haven't yet, but I do know at my work we actually have two different screen saver under Preferences, one which shows the same message the other doesn't
[23:21] <tanath_> [deXter], sudokill there's also jdownloader to download youtube vids and such, which is another way to avoid flash
[23:21] <hiexpo> yulcher, i check them all except any that give you warnings
[23:21] <Juest> jible: get gnome color chooser
[23:21] <sudokill> [deXter] ok up to you
[23:21] <Juest> and go to engines tab
[23:21] <coz_> jible,  ah ok , that sounds even more complex,, you have to make sure the gtkrc file is pointing to the correct  png images or jpg  whichever it uses
[23:21] <zen> any hidden option for power management?
[23:21] <tanath_> EastDallas, still working on that bug report?
[23:21] <coz_> jible,   but there is so little written about th is and not  way to start from scratch easitly
[23:21] <[deXter]> sudokill: But thanks for the html5 suggestion; will see if youtube works just as well using it..
[23:21] <hiexpo> yulcher, keeps my system clean
[23:22] <Gotisch> is there a way to have the overlay-scrollbars on the left side of the orange bar, i.e. inside the window instead of outside it?
[23:22] <fisteri> btw, why 32bit ubuntu is recommended?
[23:22] <sudokill> [deXter] not all youtube vids work, and u have to go to the html5 section to enable it
[23:22] <cygnus> I upgraded from ubuntu 10 to ubuntu 11.4 now when it boots it says ubuntu has 5 red circles then is frozen, how can I debug this?
[23:22] <sudokill> html5 will go full one day
[23:22] <robrt`> fisteri, bigger availability of applications. Not everyone has ported over yet.
[23:22] <robrt`> A bit like IPv6. Chicken<>Egg..
[23:22] <coz_> Gotisch,  the overlay scrollbar will au tomatically go inside the window when the window is on the side of the monitor or perhaps another window is close by
[23:22] <yulcher> I'm using Disk Usage Analyzer and it's only accounting for ~45gigs, yet my system says I'm using ~95gigs...any ideas?
[23:23] <fisteri> okay, guess I made the right choice then
[23:23] <Gotisch> coz_: they wont if your gnome panel is next to it on the right
[23:23] <sudokill> fisteri, its only recommended because 32 bit works on all cpus so it's not to confuse noobs
[23:23] <Gotisch> so i ask if there is a way to force them to be
[23:23] <tanath_> yulcher, run 'df -h' in terminal and see what it says
[23:23] <robrt`> fisteri, unless you have over 4GB of ram and tend to use mem-hungry applications, yes.
[23:23] <coz_> Gotisch,  o h?  mm let me test here i assume you are on classic gnome ...yes?
[23:23] <nit-wit> cygnus, did you have to load a graphic driver in Maverick?
[23:23] <Gotisch> yes
[23:24] <zen> fisteri, how old is your MOBO?
[23:24] <edbian> I have this http://www.buy.com/prod/memorex-mini-dvd-player-mvd-2016-mvd2016-blk/q/loc/111/212500314.html DVD player and a .avi file (DVD rip from a friend)  Can I burn the .avi to a DVD-RW and play it in this player using brasero  ??
[23:24] <fisteri> Not sure yet what I am going to use :P
[23:24] <Gotisch> panel on right side of the screen, maximized window and overlay will go below the panel
[23:24] <sudokill> fisteri, 99% of apps work on 64 bit
[23:24] <coz_> Gotisch,  yep I see that.. mm you may want to report this as a bug
[23:24] <sudokill> fisteri, if u have 4gb of ram use 64
[23:24] <fisteri> damn it...
[23:24] <sudokill> its faster and slightly more secure
[23:24] <cygnus> nit-wit: I don't know, I used the gui upgrade option
[23:24] <fisteri> I have....
[23:24] <Gotisch> mh so no way to force them to be on the inside?
[23:24] <tanath_> yulcher, it might only be looking in your home folder or something
[23:24] <coz_> Gotisch,   also go to #ayatana channel,, let them know and maybe they have a solution
[23:25] <fisteri> 50% already on 32bit
[23:25] <hexatron> edbian i think you can use brasero but i have never used it
[23:25] <fisteri> this is day number 2 installing ubuntu back on desktop pc
[23:25] <yulcher> tanath_ df -h just tells me that my dev/sda1 has 86 gigs used...yet when I run disk usage analyzer on the same disk, it shows me a 25gig director, a 20, then nothing above 300MB
[23:25] <nit-wit> cygnus, boot the recovery kernel, you wil reach a gui choose the fasilsafe line.
[23:25] <Gotisch> its already reported i see
[23:25] <Gotisch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-scrollbar/+bug/767823
[23:25] <robrt`> fisteri, hold on there. memory allocation is different under Linux
[23:25] <fisteri> Getting little bit frustrated
[23:25] <nit-wit> cygnus, failsafe x
[23:25] <sudokill> fisteri whats the matter
[23:25] <kubu2> sudokill: if you have 64-bit cpu then use 64-bit
[23:25] <robrt`> fisteri, whereas Windows will only allocate what it needs immediately, Linux will use what's available to speed things up
[23:25] <cygnus> nit-wit: is there something I have to press ? because it just boots without showing  any option where I can choose
[23:25] <tanath_> edbian, have a look at devede.
[23:26] <robrt`> that's in a nutshell. Read up on Linux memory management if you want to know more :-)
[23:26] <sudokill> kubu, not always depends on ur ram 64 bit uses more
[23:26] <fisteri> always some tard error when I try install it :(
[23:26] <tanath_> yulcher, lots of little things can add up
[23:26] <sudokill> if u have 64 bit cpu with 512 ram use 32
[23:26] <nit-wit> cygnus, power on and hold the shift down to get the grub menu. I presume this is not a wubi install.
[23:26] <kubu2> sudokill: I only have 1-gig and 64-bit is a lot quicker
[23:26] <jible> Juest, i don't get what i do from there
[23:26] <adi_> RMM3 and Ubuntu server does not work together does anybody has an idea?
[23:26] <cygnus> nit-wit: it's in virtual box
[23:26] <sudokill> placebo lol
[23:27] <coilbucker> I've been trying to set up evolution with my hotmail account. It sends fine, but it's not downloading messages when I hit send/recieve.
[23:27] <tanath_> yulcher, you can tell it where to look and point it at whole system and narrow down where usage is. but it won't have access to everything
[23:27] <Gotisch> thanks for info coz_
[23:27] <nit-wit> cygnus, the shift for the grub menu should work as soon as you hit start hold the shift down.
[23:27] <fisteri> ill maybe have to buy new pc. cuz now the windows 7 is giving error on everything
[23:27] <robrt`> coilbucker, correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not a Hotmail user - but as far as I know it doesn't support POP/IMAP unless you buy the 'Hotmail Plus' addon
[23:28] <robrt`> Switch to Gmail if you want all the goodies for free. :-)
[23:28] <yulcher> oh shit, you were right the first time tanath; Disk Usage Analyzer was just running over /home/ and my torrent downloads are outside of /home/
[23:28] <yulcher> I apologise :)
[23:28] <sudokill> fisteri what was ur original problem? the uncompress error? or was that someone else?
[23:28] <cygnus> nit-wit: ok thanks it's trying to boot recovery now
[23:28] <coilbucker> Recently, I thought they opened it up for free.
[23:28] <fisteri> sudokill:  no, it was me
[23:28] <tanath_> coilbucker, ew @ evolution and hotmail :P
[23:28] <sudokill> bad ram
[23:28] <sudokill> fisteri im 99% sure its bad ram or an unstable overclock
[23:28] <fisteri> same ram that already treated 10.10 ubuntu nicely
[23:28] <kubu2> sudokill: if you have 512 ram use i-bit
[23:29] <kubu2> 1-bit
[23:29] <fisteri> getting hotter....
[23:29] <robrt`> coilbucker, apparently they offer POP3 nowadays
[23:29] <fisteri> after previous ubuntu install I did some overclocking.
[23:29] <robrt`> .. christ, POP3 .. how dare they..
[23:29] <cygnus> nit-wit: so I should choose reconfigure graphics?
[23:29] <fisteri> Didnt go well it once said: temp overload :)
[23:30] <sudokill> if there was such a thing lol
[23:30] <sudokill> fisteri what u mean
[23:30] <sudokill> what said temp overload? thats not a system error lol
[23:30] <fisteri> Should by new parts rather than overclock I think
[23:30] <coilbucker> The stmp sending works fine, but the pop doesn't seem to work. It doesn't throw up any errors, but no messages show up in my inbox.
[23:30] <sudokill> reset to stock clocks then see if u get errors
[23:30] <robrt`> fisteri, and run memtest overnight
[23:30] <fisteri> bios window said it
[23:30] <robrt`> It's included in your boot menu by default anyway, may as well give it a shot just in case
[23:30] <sudokill> fisteri u prob upped ur voltage randomly like a noob lol
[23:30] <nit-wit> cygnus, 4th or 5th line scroll down to failsafe x or safeboot something like rhat, we want a safe graphic boot.
[23:30] <nit-wit> *that
[23:30] <fisteri> bad ram can cause "auto reboot" ?
[23:31] <lsv> bye world
[23:31] <sudokill> psu maybe
[23:31] <tanath> fisteri: bad ram can cause lots of things
[23:31] <cygnus> nit-wit: yep it's booted
[23:31] <sudokill> fisteri it could be anything
[23:31] <sudokill> reset clocks to stock first!
[23:31] <sudokill> then u can rule that 1 out
[23:31] <robrt`> exactly, it depends on what piece of your ram is fried
[23:31] <fisteri> did that already
[23:31] <sudokill> random reboots? or resets?
[23:31] <sudokill> resets = normally bad psu
[23:31] <Arachon> Anyone could have an idea of where network-manager-applet can have gone?
[23:31] <nit-wit> cygnus, I would update the Natty and run the guest additons agin hopefully this will load whatever graphics works in that vbox.
[23:31] <Arachon> Or nm-applet or wherever it may be called?
[23:32] <Arachon> *whatever
[23:32] <sudokill> but could be mobo, or other things
[23:32] <cygnus> nit-wit: ok thanks
[23:32] <fisteri> randon reboots
[23:32] <tanath> Arachon: did you try the 'indicator applet complete'?
[23:32] <kozup> My dad upgraded to natty and not the computer won't boot and drops to grub. I booted using a liveCD to see if I could reconfigure it, but it looks like there's an LVM? I have no idea what that is there for considering nothing (that i know of) is RAIDed. Anyone have any debugging tips?
[23:32] <sudokill> fisteri so it actually shuts down and reboots properly, by itself?
[23:32] <nit-wit> cygnus, when you ugrade a distro you need to look in the software sources asd to what repos need to be turned back on and adjusted to that distro.
[23:33] <Arachon> tanath: Yes, it gives me sound, mail, session, chat and shutdow
[23:33] <robrt`> kozup, mount the drive and have a peek at /var/log/dmesg
[23:33] <fisteri> yep, picture just disappears and the startup beep comes along
[23:33] <fisteri> and voila its starting all over again
[23:33] <cygnus> nit-wit: what is asd?
[23:33] <robrt`> (note: the dmesg of the original hard drive, not of the live disk .. so probably /mnt/yourdrive/var/log/dmesg)
[23:33] <adi_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1487618.html Any idea aoub tis error?
[23:33] <sudokill> fisteri, so it doesnt shutdown properly just "resets"
[23:33] <fisteri> okay =)
[23:33] <nit-wit> cygnus, typo as was the intention.
[23:34] <sudokill> could be anything still, temp too high, psu, mobo
[23:34] <cygnus> nit-wit: so you mean like google upgrade and see what problems people have?
[23:34] <kozup> robrt`: I can't figure out how to mount it in Disk Utility. It's listed tiwce: once under the PATA host adapter and once under "Multi-disk devices" (which is weird cause it's a single drive). There's no mount disk option on either of them
[23:34] <nit-wit> cygnus, do you know what the software sources is.
[23:34] <tanath> Arachon: you said you have gnome-netstatus-applet installed, yes?
[23:34] <cygnus> nit-wit: no
[23:35] <fisteri> can u install ubuntu on mac? If i get laptop I was thinking macbook pro any pros and cons?
[23:35] <sudokill> yes u can
[23:35] <robrt`> fisteri, sure. I did it, works fine.
[23:35] <tanath> Arachon: wait, nvm. i have it but i don't have that installed
[23:35] <sudokill> fisteri but why pay money for a macbook and use ubuntu?
[23:35] <robrt`> You'll be able to use Bootcamp to set up the partition
[23:35] <sudokill> u can get better spec for less
[23:35] <fisteri> I want mac anyway
[23:35] <robrt`> sudokill, MacBook Pro's are awesome. That's why.
[23:35] <sudokill> to put ubuntu on it?
[23:35] <Centallith> fisteri: Macbooks use outdated hardware for a higher price. Just get a Dell.
[23:36] <robrt`> There's not a better laptop out there. Period.
[23:36] <hexatron> >macbook
[23:36] <tripelb> LIbreOffice sucks. I cant browse for a folder to put something in. I have to type the path. FAIL
[23:36] <sudokill> if u buy a mac u might as well use osx
[23:36] <edbian> tanath: This looks like it will work perfectly.  Thank you!
[23:36] <tanath> Arachon: network-manager-gnome
[23:36] <Logan_> !mac | fisteri
[23:36] <sudokill> unless u got given one
[23:36] <fisteri> sudokill yes along side with mac os if its possible
[23:36] <Arachon> tanath: Yes, that's installed
[23:36] <tanath> edbian: it's great :)
[23:36] <yassine_hell_> grub error 15... help?
[23:36] <cygnus> nit-wit: are you talking about virtual box?
[23:36] <Omega> tripelb: Are you looking for help or are you looking to rant?
[23:37] <fisteri> and i use iphone, so mac would be better mate for it than windows pc
[23:37] <tanath> edbian: for burning, the best app is k3b. has lots of KDE dependencies, but it's worth it
[23:37] <sudokill> fisteri go for it
[23:37] <sudokill> macs r nice
[23:37] <nit-wit> cygnus open synaptic and click on settings-repositories, that is where hyou want to make sure thath stuff is clicked in. The second tab other, jas the stuff you have added, if it was a 3rd party it was turned of in the upgrade edit them to natty and click them on.
[23:37] <Centallith> tripelb: Try using Insert rather than.... Whatever you have been doing. I can find it through that. No file paths for me.
[23:37] <edbian> tanath: I've used K3b is great. But does devede not burn for me?  Just create the file?
[23:37] <tanath> Arachon: network-manager-gnome is installed? try reinstalling it? try logging out and back in?
[23:37] <sudokill> shame they were proven to be less secure than windows 7
[23:37] <hexatron> lol
[23:37] <fisteri> whats is secure these days?
[23:38] <tanath> edbian: it does everything from video to ready-to-burn iso. then you burn it with a burning app
[23:38] <nit-wit> cygnus hyou=you  thath=that   jas=is  sorry
[23:38] <sudokill> linux?
[23:38] <sudokill> bsd
[23:38] <taglass> fisteri: a compter enacased in cnocrete
[23:38] <sudokill> u can make most os secure
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: depends on config
[23:38] <sudokill> of course
[23:38] <robrt`> sudokill, um, OS X is BSD-based (NeXT, actually)
[23:38] <sudokill> not bsd
[23:38] <fisteri> staying wireless? meaning (zero contact with comps) :D
[23:38] <sudokill> tho
[23:38] <Arachon> tanath: Tried rebooting, relogging etc, but I'll try reinstall the package
[23:38] <edbian> tanath: I will create an iso.  I am looking to waste the least amount of DVDs here and get a DVD playing in the player as quickly and easily as possible.
[23:38] <edbian> tanath:
[23:38] <Centallith> Linux is pretty much the only secure OS out there nowadays. As OS X goes more and more mainstream viruses are being created at a much higher level for them.
[23:39] <edbian> tanath: Am I on the right track?  Should a make an ISO with devede and burn it with brasero (I don't need k3b to just burn an iso)
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: detatch any OS from any network and it's the most secure in the world
[23:39] <tanath> edbian: then you want devede + k3b
[23:39] <Omega> robrt`: That's only the kernel.
[23:39] <sudokill> ActionParsnip, thats such a common answer lol
[23:39] <robrt`> Omega, sssh. ;-)
[23:39] <edbian> tanath: What does k3b offer that brasero doesn't?
[23:39] <tanath> edbian: brasero is sufficient for most things yes
[23:39] <sudokill> u have to trade useability for security but u can still make it proper secure
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: its true though
[23:39] <Centallith> Run Infrarecorder through Wine. Beats them all.
[23:40] <fisteri> I really cant choose os by its security goodies
[23:40] <edbian> tanath: Do I have to worry about these title's and such?  Can I create just 1 title with the movie file in it and not worry about the rest?
[23:40] <bencc1> when trying to switch user "su debarchiver" I'm giving the correct password but it gives me "su: Authentication failure"
[23:40] <bencc1> why?
[23:40] <sudokill> grsec patch is probably the best ive used
[23:40] <cygnus> nit-wit: thanks
[23:40] <fisteri> cuz I think every os is good on some section
[23:40] <sudokill> fisteri most people dont care
[23:40] <robrt`> Fact of the matter is; use what you think will work best for you. Whether that's a Dell with Ubuntu, a MBP with Ubuntu, or an MBP with Ubuntu/OS X in dualboot. :-)
[23:40] <nit-wit> cygnus, no prob.
[23:40] <Logan_> !ot
[23:40] <sudokill> msot people still use xp
[23:40] <fisteri> sudokill:  i think im one of them
[23:40] <tanath> edbian: yup. might want to set the title name too
[23:40] <sage1> anyone know where i should go for help debugging an X video corruption problem after my laptop resumes?
[23:40] <The_Explorer> Does anyone know an "all-in-one" file manager? So i can skip folders and look at possible redundant music and etc.
[23:40] <fisteri> cuz banks are too hard to hack in my country
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> sage1: dmesg may ive clues, try ssh-ing in with another system
[23:41] <robrt`> fisteri, we can continue this in #ubuntu-offtopic actually :-)
[23:41] <g0t> Exploere try ranger
[23:41] <edbian> tanath: Instead of title1.  Thanks
[23:41] <fisteri> u cant even login without some 6 digit shit
[23:41] <edbian> tanath: I'm trusting you!!!
[23:41] <Logan_> !x | sage1
[23:41] <sudokill> fisteri
[23:41] <tanath> edbian: yeah, that's the default. double-click to rename, IIRC
[23:41] <Logan_> !language | fisteri
[23:41] <sage1> ActionParsnip: works well enough to use, just have to make it redraw the screen periodically.  nothing suspicous in dmesg
[23:41] <tanath> edbian: lol. you shouldn't be disappointed
[23:42] <fisteri> sry....
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> sage1: are there any bugs reported?
[23:42] <fisteri> after money things i wont care anything
[23:42] <edbian> tanath: Thanks again.  This is exactly what I was looking for :)
[23:42] <sage1> ActionParsnip: in the existing bugs the video isn't working at all.  still searching
[23:42] <Omega> fisteri: But who needs to hack a bank if they can hack you? (if you use an unsecure OS)
[23:42] <davec23> Hi, anyone tried getting mame to work with Ubuntu?
[23:43] <coolty> lol
[23:43] <Omega> fisteri: And your personal data is very important too!
[23:43] <fisteri> cant see why
[23:43] <sudokill> lol
[23:43] <sudokill> fisteri dont care
[23:43] <fisteri> :D
[23:43] <sudokill> go for it
[23:43] <fisteri> "personal data"
[23:43] <tanath> edbian: np. apparently brasero doesn't warrant a mention on wikipedia though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disc_authoring_software
[23:43] <sudokill> plug ur ethernet cable straight into ur modem, use a pre sp1 xp with no firewall
[23:44] <tanath> edbian: main thing is, i find k3b to be more reliable
[23:44] <Omega> fisteri: Yes, like pictures that you might find importantant, or passwords for your bank account.
[23:44] <fisteri> what could be so important information?
[23:44] <sudokill> fisteri tbh it depends
[23:44] <sudokill> i dont store any on mine
[23:44] <fisteri> Omega u have to let go from the bank thing.
[23:44] <edbian> tanath: a-ha!  Thanks :)
[23:44] <sudokill> if someone hacked me theyd be disappointed
[23:44] <fisteri> with password u cant do nothing
[23:45] <sudokill> apart from crack it
[23:45] <Omega> fisteri: You brought up banking my friend.
[23:45] <sudokill> anyway...
[23:45] <tanath> fisteri: yay, double-negative
[23:45] <mouse> I'm having problems with the startup disk creator.  The bootable usbs is makes don't work right.  Has anyone noticed this?
[23:45] <fisteri> okay ill guess i was wrong =)
[23:45] <Omega> fisteri: Why can't they do anything? Can't a intruder just wait until you enter all your credentials and then lock you out?
[23:46] <Omega> (I'm just concerned for you)
[23:46] <sudokill> why
[23:46] <sudokill> im not lol
[23:46] <Logan_> !ot | Omega
[23:46] <fisteri> =)
[23:46] <edbian> ugh, k3b depends on the universe
[23:46] <tanath> edbian: compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasero_(software)#Features vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K3b#Features
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> edbian: well, qt
[23:47] <edbian> tanath: Oh I know k3b has more features. No doubt about that.  But brasero is lighter
[23:47] <Omega> Logan_: He asked why having a secure OS is important.
[23:47] <edbian> ActionParsnip: yeah
[23:47] <sudokill> brasero is nice
[23:47] <Logan_> Omega: yes, but it's off topic
[23:47] <Omega> Logan_: Don't you think that's worthy of answering?
[23:47] <edbian> sudokill: Ever have any issues burning iso with it?
[23:47] <sudokill> no
[23:47] <sudokill> brasero is great
[23:47] <sudokill> nice and simple
[23:47] <tanath> brasero makes me wonder if i try to burn an iso if it'll burn the iso as an image or a data disc with .iso file :P
[23:48] <tanath> it's _too_ simplistic
[23:48] <edbian> tanath: Haha, I never get confused about that.
[23:48] <sudokill> tanath it has a data section
[23:48] <sudokill> tanath if u wana burn iso u choose the "burn iso" option
[23:48] <tanath> my point is, it's too simplistic.
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> gnomebaker rocks
[23:48] <sudokill> no its not
[23:48] <edbian> tanath: Thank you for all the advice.
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> or xfburn
[23:48] <edbian> sudokill: tanath 'too simplistic' is opinion
[23:48] <tanath> gnomebaker was alright, but i haven't used it in forever. don't need anything other than k3b
[23:49] <tanath> edbian: np
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> tanath: depends ifyou can accommodate the Qt dep bloat
[23:49] <tanath> ActionParsnip: indeed. but if you can, i think it's worth it
[23:49] <tanath> other apps aren't as reliable in my experience
[23:50] <antihero> I removed orca via the software centre but now it seems to launch some python process that eats my CPU
[23:50] <tanath> especially on a lower end system
[23:50] <sudokill> tanath, what complexity do you require to burn an iso to disk?
[23:50] <Omega> Logan_: He was asking about installing Ubuntu on a mac, and then asked why he should do it, pretty on-topic if you ask me.
[23:50] <Guest82965> Hey I have a question - I have a boot failure on my laptop and I come to a screen where all I can do is do recovery mode from different kernels, but in recovery mode even / fails to mount
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> tanath: I guess, i don't burn many CDs
[23:50] <tanath> sudokill: in that case it's just a lot more clear about what you're doing / what it'll do
[23:50] <kozup> anyone have any idea how to boot from this drive? http://i.imgur.com/Scd3O.png There's of a screenshot of what Drive Utility looks like froma live cd. I can't mount it it seems like.
[23:50] <kozup> robrt`: here's a screenshot http://i.imgur.com/Scd3O.png
[23:51] <mouse> I'm having problems with the startup disk creator.  The bootable usbs is makes don't work right.  Has anyone noticed this?
[23:51] <tanath> ActionParsnip: it's very good with buffers and such and excellent burner support i've found
[23:51] <tripelb> Omega, off-topic take it to #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to do that.
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> tanath: ive always used gnomebaker, brasero seems to sit around for an age doing very little
[23:51] <Gleb1> hello please say me where are russian version of this room
[23:51] <tanath> lol
[23:51] <sudokill> ubuntu-kalashnikov
[23:52] <rww> Gleb1: #ubuntu-ru
[23:52] <Guest82965> ive had problems with the start up disk creator too. i did the virtual machine
[23:52] <Gleb1> thaks
[23:52] <tanath> ActionParsnip: i used to use it a bit when it was newish, but whenever i need to burn something i fire up k3b and am happ
[23:52] <sage1> ActionParsnip: should i open a bug? or talk to ts first?
[23:52] <tripelb> Centallith, I've tried it twice. I've had an unsuccessful experience with LibreOffice both times. The only reason I tried it this second time is that abiword does not accept images. Tis is a total dealbreaker for ubuntu in the real world. This for the first time will drive me back to Windows
[23:53] <ZykoticK9> ActionParsnip, that brasero "sittin' doin' nothing" has something to do with MD5 sum generating, it's possible to disable it somehow - results in a much nicer brasero experience ;)
[23:53] <sudokill> just untick the md5 plugin
[23:53] <tripelb> lurker says to sudokill, thanks
[23:54] <sudokill> :)
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> ZykoticK9: i see, I don't burn many CDs now. i have a file server ;)
[23:54] <tanath> k3b lets you ignore the md5sum thing and simply proceed
[23:54] <Guest82965> when recovery mode fails to mount / , what can I do?
[23:54] <sudokill> tanath so does brasero
[23:54] <tanath> ActionParsnip: ;)
[23:54] <sudokill> they all aultimately do the same thing pretty much depends what ui u like
[23:54] <sudokill> i prefer simple things, i prefer gnome to kde
[23:55] <sudokill> other prefer kde
[23:55] <tanath> sudokill: sometimes. sometimes it's not a matter of preference
[23:55] <sudokill> talking about burning an iso to disk
[23:55] <sudokill> lol
[23:55] <tanath> sudokill: even then
[23:55] <sudokill> ...
[23:55] <sudokill> anyway#
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: i prefer lxde, less fluff
[23:55] <tanath> sudokill: k3b is more reliable for instance, in my experience
[23:56] <sudokill> good
[23:56] <tanath> why is empathy showing offline contacts even though that's unticked?
[23:56] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip: lxde, is that lubuntu?
[23:56] <sudokill> ActionParsnip, lxde reminds me of win95 lol
[23:56] <lucus> please help somebody. Running on Natty 64 bit, when I want to safely remove a usb hard disk there is a kernel panic... Where can I start to look? On Maverick this never happened
[23:56] <sudokill> might as well use xmonad or some other wm
[23:56] <teage> what is the command to install i386 on 64 bit? I can't remember.
[23:57] <tanath> yikes.
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: no,its lxde. lubuntu just uses lxde by default
[23:57] <sudokill> hence the l
[23:57] <ultrixx> teage: what do you mean?
[23:57] <Guest82965> recovery mode fails to mount / . what do I do?
[23:57] <sudokill> teage just install ubuntu there is no command
[23:57] <teage> 32 bit package to install on 64 bit machine ultrixx
[23:57] <sudokill> just download the iso u want
[23:57] <tanath> anyone know why i can't reorder apps on bottom gnome panel after upgrading to 11.04?
[23:58] <sudokill> and burn to disk, with brasero lol
[23:58] <renoteck> Hello, the x server don?t starts on this video card: Intel 82845G
[23:58] <teage> sudokill it says wrong archit and I have installed them before with force install or something I cant remember the exact command
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> renoteck: which release?
[23:59] <sudokill> teage, have u got a 32 btit cpu?
[23:59] <sudokill> i take it
[23:59] <Evanescence> package dependencies *unmet* http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10876660#post10876660 ; ask for help
[23:59] <teage> sudokill nope
[23:59] <renoteck> Kubuntu 10.4
[23:59] <sudokill> teage what iso r u using?
[23:59] <renoteck> it?s old
[23:59] <lucus> please help somebody. Running on Natty 64 bit, when I want to safely remove a usb hard disk there is a kernel panic... Where can I start to look? On Maverick this never happened
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> renoteck: its still as supported as the newest