[02:16] <apachelogger> 16 hours spent on doing crapz for university
[02:16] <apachelogger> what a dreadful waste of time
[02:21] <ScottK> Well kde4libs merged from Debian is built on i386 and powerpc, so there's plenty of sponsoring to do if you want to feel like you got something done today.
[02:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[02:21] <apachelogger> why u highlight so much
[02:21] <apachelogger> oh suppose that should have been y
[02:21] <apachelogger> well
[02:22] <apachelogger> if someone told me that being overlord means more highlights, I'd have reapplied sooner :P
[02:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is half past 3, perhaps after I had a coffee, some telly, a shower and maybe even breakfast ;)
[02:23] <ScottK> It's not tomorrow until you sleep.
[02:23] <ScottK> It's not too late to save today.
[02:23] <apachelogger> who said anything about sleeping :O
[02:23] <ScottK> OK.  Just checking.
[02:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: what disturbs me is that I actually haven't seen a sponsorship bug in my bugs folder all day
[02:24]  * ScottK is busy fixing Debian ATM.
[02:24] <ScottK> Well we decided not to bother.
[02:24] <ScottK> If you look on MoM it's in the MoM comments.
[02:25] <ScottK> All the changes are in bzr.
[02:25] <ScottK> The bug seemed rather like pointless paperwork.
[02:26] <apachelogger> I agree
[02:26] <apachelogger> though if the masters of DDD or what they call it these days knew....
[02:26] <apachelogger> one must have a branch for the merge, then merge request it to the supreme branch
[02:27] <apachelogger> so that some sponsor can merge the branch into the supreme branch and then upload
[02:27] <apachelogger> reading this, it feels almost as insane as functional programming
[02:27] <apachelogger> oh gosh
[02:27] <ScottK> Yes, well UDD is not quite there yet for general use, I must say.
[02:28] <apachelogger> there are mor scripts than I ever had in kubuntu-dev-tools :P
[02:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: anyhow, I guess my point is that there is a lack of pending-merge notification with just pushing it into the branch
[02:35] <ScottK> True.
[02:35] <ScottK> As a general rule, however, I think marking it in MoM and mentioning it here should be ~sufficient.
[02:37] <apachelogger> yep
[02:38] <apachelogger> we should document it somewhere, I fear people forget to add a comment on mom ^^
[02:38] <apachelogger> "5 easy steps to make a merege that makes apachelogger sponsor it"
[02:39] <ScottK> 1.  Send alcohol.
[02:40] <ScottK> 2  - 5.  Repeat step 1.
[02:40] <micahg> kubotu: beer apachelogger 
[02:40] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[02:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: order tea, earl grey, hot for micahg
[02:40]  * micahg thought that would work...
[02:40]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain micahg.
[02:41] <micahg> kubotu: please slide a beer down to apachelogger 
[02:41]  * micahg doesn't get this...
[02:41] <micahg> kubotu: good tea :)
[02:42] <apachelogger> micahg: it is order <thing> [for nick]
[02:42] <micahg> kubotu: order expresso for apachelogger 
[02:42]  * kubotu slides expresso down the bar to apachelogger
[02:43] <apachelogger> hm, sounds like my bed really won't get to see me tonight
[02:43] <apachelogger> good thing jussi is not around to send me to bed tomorrow :P
[02:43] <micahg> kubotu: order a nightcap for apachelogger 
[02:43]  * kubotu slides a nightcap down the bar to apachelogger
[02:43] <micahg> apachelogger: you can choose your drink of choice at this hour :)
[02:44]  * ScottK starts to write a security complaint about micahg abusing the bot and then stops when he realizes where it would go.
[02:44] <micahg> hehe
[02:44]  * micahg stops now
[02:46] <micahg> apachelogger: BTW, there are 6 bugs tagged kubuntu in the sponsorship queue
[02:46] <ScottK> I see spam linked in invitations have a 'confirm you know $PERSON' link, but no 'WTF is this?' link.
[02:48] <apachelogger> which reminds me that for some reason I am not a sponsor
[02:48] <apachelogger> I cannot process no sponsorship request :'(
[02:49]  * apachelogger takes his note book and writes down some stuff for kde sprint before going to bed
[02:49] <micahg> apachelogger: you can still process it, you just can't unsubscribe sponsors, to get membership, just ask a team admin
[02:49] <apachelogger> micahg: that surely requires me to switch to another channel, way too much hassle :P
[02:50] <micahg> apachelogger: nope, nhandler is an admin :)
[02:50] <apachelogger> sweet
[02:51] <ScottK> I already asked kees.
[02:51] <ScottK> Since he's the admin furthest west.
[02:51] <apachelogger> :D :D
[02:51] <micahg> well, themuso is further west and might actually be working :)
[02:51] <ScottK> But then you knew that already since I highlighted you there too.
[02:52] <ScottK> True.
[02:52] <ScottK> But I can never tell what time it is there.
[02:52] <ScottK> Besides, trying to mix Australia and Austria in the same context is far too confusing.
[02:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: for some reason notifications are broken for me, so I would not know
[02:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: No chatview?
[02:53]  * ScottK wonders how apachelogger survives without chatview enabled.
[02:53] <apachelogger> gawd now, I have the attention span of a 5 year old, I'd have to scroll up to read what I was talking about due to stupid chatview eating away real estate
[02:54] <ScottK> I think the true ADD experience is to use only the chatview.
[02:54] <ScottK> Sometimes you have to be able to read quickly though.
[02:55] <apachelogger> hm, sounds like fun
[03:02] <ScottK> micahg: Good call on TheMuso.
[03:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: You're in sponsors now.
[03:02] <apachelogger> I am important 
[03:02] <apachelogger> woohooo
[03:02] <apachelogger> :D
[03:02] <apachelogger> now I can go to bed
[03:03] <micahg> hehe, and we'll get the 3.0 kernel in oneiric soonish I guess: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTUwMg
[03:03] <ScottK> I guess Linux doesn't like big version numbers.
[03:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: No you need to sponsor some stuff first.
[03:04] <micahg> yeah, in the text he says "he real reason is just that I can no longer comfortably count as high as 40."
[03:04] <apachelogger> awww
[03:05] <apachelogger> with an iterative approach I can very much relate to that
[03:07] <apachelogger> hm, the sponsorhip bugs are all not actually kubuntu related
[03:07] <apachelogger> how boring
[03:08] <apachelogger> kubuntu is too well organized, we need to introduce some chaos
[03:08] <apachelogger> also, really, bed time
[03:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: order bed
[03:08]  * kubotu is placing a cot for apachelogger in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.
[03:08]  * apachelogger snoozes away
[03:09]  * ScottK notes a disturbing lack of stuff apachelogger uploaded in the build queue.
[04:52] <LaserJock> *\o/*
[04:52]  * ScottK waves back.
[04:52] <ScottK> Did something good happen?
[04:53] <LaserJock> ScottK: I got out my pom-poms
[04:54] <LaserJock> this thing is rockin', very pleased
[04:54] <ScottK> Too bad apachelogger went to sleep.
[04:54] <ScottK> He would enjoy those.
[04:54] <ScottK> Glad you're liking it.
[04:55] <LaserJock> yeah, just need to shave some RAM, but otherwise very usable, looks slick, low CPU usage
[04:56] <LaserJock> the good thing on the RAM from is I got back several hundred MB by switching back to Firefox from Chromium
[04:56] <LaserJock> *front
[04:56] <LaserJock> so that at least counteracts GNOME -> KDE
[05:01] <ScottK> Ubuntu's Firefox is patched to integrate well with the Default KDE style (Oxygen)
[05:03] <LaserJock> yeah, it looks real nice
[05:04] <LaserJock> I was surprised
[05:04] <LaserJock> I'm used to Firefox looking like crap in KDE
[05:06] <ScottK> I'll confess I've kind of lost track.  I've used Chromium almost exclusively since it hit the Ubuntu archive.
[05:06] <ScottK> I mostly use Firefox for my 'facebook browser'.
[05:07] <ScottK> I figure the odds of stuff leaking across unexpected facebook privacy barriers are lower if I only log into facebook with a browser I don't use for anything else.
[05:08] <ScottK> And then I don't check facebook as often as I used to.
[05:10] <LaserJock> well, I was using Chromium exclusively for a long time
[05:10] <LaserJock> but it just kept sucking up RAM
[05:11] <LaserJock> and I couldn't figure out what was going on
[05:11] <LaserJock> if I leave it for very long (especially on Gmail) I end up using say 400-500 MB of RAM
[05:11] <LaserJock> I do the same thing  in Firefox, leave it for days, open tabs, close tabs, etc. and I stay between 150 and 250 MB
[05:12] <LaserJock> so I switched, even though Chromium is faster and I like some of its features better
[05:19] <ScottK> I'll have to try using Firefox on the netbook then.
[05:19] <ScottK> RAM usage is definitely a problem there.
[05:23] <micahg> ScottK: you can accomplish the same separation by using different profiles
[05:24] <ScottK> That would require me to know what I'm doing.
[05:25] <ScottK> I use a separate user to visit financial web sites even though I know I could do that with separate profiles too.
[05:25] <micahg> ScottK: just start it with -P
[05:35] <yofel> hm. Can you run firefox with 2 different profiles at the same time? If I open firefox again it just opens a new window for the current profile
[05:35] <yofel> good morning btw.
[05:36] <micahg> yofel: yes, MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 firefox -P
[05:38] <yofel> thanks :)
[08:35] <yofel> does someone remember why we make plasma-wallpapers-addons depend on kdebase-workspace-wallpapers and kdewallpapers in ubuntu? I could somehow get Suggests or Recommends, but I see no reason why it should depend on them
[08:37] <yofel> the changelog doesn't have anything useful about it either
[08:41] <debfx> yofel: yeah, that doesn't make sense
[08:42] <debfx> especially if it's undocumented
[08:42] <debfx> apachelogger: didn't we have a button in the wallpaper chooser dialog to install additional packages?
[08:48] <yofel> hm, bzr annotate is useful ^^
[08:48] <yofel> JontheEchidna: do you remember why you added that? (back in 4.2.85)
[08:54] <debfx> hm no one has merged kdepimlibs yet :(
[08:55]  * debfx fixes a kde4libs overwrite error before someone notices it
[09:11] <padams> apachelogger: ping
[09:23]  * debfx hands JontheEchidna the bzr add command :P
[09:23] <debfx> kdebase-runtime doesn't have the debian patches in bzr
[09:29] <debfx> how do we handle patches from debian that we don't want to apply?
[09:30] <debfx> imho adding them commented to series is the best way to make sure someone doesn't accidentally add them later
[10:16] <debfx> apachelogger: kubuntu_02_fix_digets_encoding.diff from the qoauth package should be upstreamed, right?
[10:16] <debfx> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52630546/qoauth_1.0-2ubuntu1_1.0-2ubuntu2.diff.gz
[10:48] <debfx> JontheEchidna: 30-nepomuk-inotify-limit.conf wasn't installed anymore in kdebase-runtime
[10:48] <debfx> I've fixed that and uploaded
[12:17] <itali-chan> hola a todos
[12:47] <apachelogger> debfx: http://i.imgur.com/oWbpg.png
[12:47] <apachelogger> padams: pong
[12:48] <apachelogger> debfx: I blieve I sent the qoauth patches upstream
[12:48] <apachelogger> perhapsneeds repoking
[12:51] <apachelogger> Anthony Mercatante (tonio) has accepted the invitation to make Kubuntu
[12:51] <apachelogger> KdeSudo Development Team (kubuntu-kdesudo) a member of UBUNTU - AL
[12:51] <apachelogger> (linux-traipu).
[12:51]  * apachelogger sighs
[12:53] <ryanakca> Heh, has that team been brought up with any launchpad folks? It does seem to be a bit of an abuse of services (spamming everybody with "Please make your team a member of mine" requests)
[12:57] <apachelogger> ryanakca: IIRC ScottK said that the lp people say we need to take this to the community council
[12:58] <apachelogger> which is interesting as *I* as launchpad user, unrelated to my involvement with youbuntoo, feel annoyed by the spam
[13:00] <tsimpson> apachelogger: ditto
[13:07] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[13:07]  * ryanakca is surprised LP doesn't have an Acceptable Use Policy. But really, a troll signing up, putting the word "Ubuntu" on his LP page and annoying people really shouldn't involve the CC. If the guy was involved in *buntu, sure, but he hasn't contributed *anything*.
[13:08]  * ryanakca shrugs and gets back to work.
[13:08] <tsimpson> ryanakca: we don't know if they really are a troll, or just an annoying^Hover enthusiastic n00b ;)
[13:08] <ryanakca> tsimpson: Sure :)
[13:10] <debfx> apachelogger: ok, I suppose I already have installed the wallpapers
[13:10] <debfx> apachelogger: I don't see anything on the qoauth github site
[13:10] <afiestas> apachelogger: pong
[13:10] <apachelogger> afiestas: do you have time to preview a blog post real quick?
[13:11] <apachelogger> debfx: yeah, the button disappears when kde-wallpapers or whatever it is called is installed
[13:11] <debfx> makes sense
[13:11] <apachelogger> it is supreme apachelogger patching :P
[13:11] <apachelogger> might be worth carrying upstream one way or another
[13:11] <afiestas> apachelogger: yes
[13:11] <apachelogger> which leads back to the whole topic of getting a distro agnostic api that can be used for that plunder
[13:12] <apachelogger> afiestas: you should be getting a mail in a bit
[13:14] <debfx> apachelogger: you could use your supreme patching powers to make the samba package installer work with qapt
[13:15] <afiestas> apachelogger: nice
[13:16] <apachelogger> debfx: but then we diverg0r from upstream
[13:16] <apachelogger> also JontheEchidna is better suited to do that ^^
[13:25] <apachelogger> jussi: my board be pending, arr
[13:26] <apachelogger> a pending arrm board one might say ^^
[13:26] <apachelogger> afiestas: good to publish?
[13:26] <jussi> apachelogger: whens the ship date? 
[13:26] <apachelogger> on -- 
[13:27] <apachelogger> the international day of pending
[13:27] <jussi> :D
[13:27] <apachelogger> they apparently ate money from my account already though ^^
[13:29] <ScottK> apachelogger and ryanakca: The specific issue I had a couple of days ago was a different team, be see the results of my trying to get LP to deal with it: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/158592
[13:30] <afiestas> apachelogger: yes, go ahead
[13:30] <apachelogger> afiestas: thanks
[13:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: This reminds me you sent me a review request some days ago.  Still need reviewing?
[13:32] <apachelogger> well, it is published in a bit, so you can review it then ^^
[13:33] <ScottK> I find myself unaccountably awake on a holiday Monday with no plans (the plan was to be asleep), so I could do it if you wanted.
[13:33] <ScottK> OK.
[13:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/to-kde-with-love/
[13:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Nice.  I found I had mail about it too.
[13:47] <apachelogger> yah, I believe the review thing is quite the spam machine, IIRC you get mails whenever I'd edit the post after its pubishing
[13:47] <apachelogger> a bit of a monstarrrr
[13:50] <ScottK> Must be why I got the second one.
[13:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: syncbackup or easybackup are no option?
[13:51] <ScottK> Did he say about kbackup?
[13:52] <jussi> !info easybackup
[13:52] <jussi> !syncbackup
[13:52] <ScottK> Ah.  I see the mail now.
[13:52] <jussi> !info syncbackup
[13:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: ping?
[13:56] <apachelogger> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:56] <apachelogger> me eyes!1
[13:56] <apachelogger> me precious eyes!!!
[13:56] <apachelogger> kbackup---------
[13:56] <jussi> apachelogger: ?
[13:56] <jussi> :D
[13:56] <apachelogger> do not under any circumstances go to the kbackup site
[13:56] <apachelogger> your head might melt or something
[13:56] <apachelogger> also
[13:57] <apachelogger> this is epic
[13:57] <apachelogger> "CVS access"
[13:57] <apachelogger> ScottK, Quintasan: that just rendered kbackup a non-competitor
[13:57] <apachelogger> ah, backintime is more pleasing on the eyes, nice
[13:58] <apachelogger> the UI is not the best though
[13:59] <ScottK> Yes, I saw.
[13:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: kbackup has been around for quite awhile, so there is some cruft/inertia.
[14:00] <ScottK> Actually sourceforge isn't the correct site anymore.
[14:00] <apachelogger> hm, even better, leaving rotting sites around :S
[14:01]  * apachelogger notes that a random google run for backup software on linux turns up the most horrid GUIs ever
[14:01] <apachelogger> it is like every design sin ever commited,is surely implemented in a backup ui
[14:01] <apachelogger> brrr
[14:01]  * ScottK notes that there are people who declare all VCS later than CVS fundamentally broken as it's impossible to live without per file logs.
[14:02]  * ScottK further notes he is not one of those people.
[14:02]  * jussi notes ScottK noting
[14:02] <apachelogger> curious
[14:02] <apachelogger> that sounds rather oyvey(tm)
[14:03] <apachelogger> as if it mattered whether a log was per file, per dir, per commit or per rand()%fileAmount
[14:10] <ScottK> The standard practice is to have CVS write the log into the relevant file as a comment, so it kind of makes sense.
[14:10] <ScottK> What's less clear is why other, more modern, ways don't suffice.
[14:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'd argue that doing that only works if you are a lazy programmer and only change stuff once every 5 years
[14:15]  * ScottK would agree.
[14:18]  * ScottK considers founding the "Ubuntu Unfriendly Squad", but in the end decides it's not worth the trouble.
[14:27] <yofel> kubotu: order a bucket of icetea for me
[14:27]  * kubotu slides a bucket of icetea down the bar to me
[14:27] <yofel> kubotu: order a bucket of icetea for yofel
[14:27]  * kubotu slides a bucket of icetea down the bar to yofel
[14:27] <yofel> too freakin' hot -.-
[14:28] <ScottK> kubotu: order two buckets of ice for yofel
[14:28]  * kubotu slides two buckets of ice down the bar to yofel
[14:28] <yofel> better :)
[14:35] <debfx> for me too, please
[14:35] <debfx> it's way too hot here
[14:35] <ScottK> kubotu: order two buckets of ice and a cold shower for debfx
[14:35]  * kubotu slides two buckets of ice and a cold shower down the bar to debfx
[14:36] <debfx> thanks!
[14:50] <ScottK> micahg: Is there a reason we don't ship the SPI ca cert for Firefox/Chromium?
[14:52] <ScottK> FYI: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/pkg-kde-tools/0.14.0ubuntu1~natty1
[14:52] <ScottK> Shortly no more need to manually backport pkg-kde-tools.
[14:56] <ScottK> micahg: http://www.spi-inc.org/ca/
[14:57] <Quintasan> Therfore I suggest using BackInTime KDE as our backup application
[14:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: pong?
[14:59] <ScottK> Bug 507246 may have the best title ever:
[14:59] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[15:00] <ScottK> Quintasan: It does seem to have some bugs.
[15:00] <debfx> agateau: have you seen my ping from yesterday?
[15:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Still better than KBackup and developer is even doing something
[15:01] <agateau> debfx: no I haven't
[15:01]  * agateau scrols
[15:01]  * Quintasan had like 9 errors in memtest
[15:01] <agateau> scrolls
[15:01] <shadeslayer> agateau: oh i haz a bug for you in gwenview
[15:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: I agree that it's probably better since the lack of restore is a serious problem.
[15:01] <debfx> agateau: libdbusmenu-qt exports symbols from private header files
[15:01] <shadeslayer> agateau: but i don't have any debug symbols
[15:02] <debfx> agateau: are those really needed?
[15:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, I could not find it
[15:02] <Quintasan> It is maybe hidden somewhere
[15:02] <Quintasan> :D
[15:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: No.  It's missing.
[15:02] <ScottK> It's missing by design though.
[15:02] <agateau> debfx: I don't think so
[15:02]  * agateau looks
[15:02] <ScottK> It sort of assumes one knows how to untar and pick out the file one wants.
[15:03] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: When do I get KRunner for Muon?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> agateau: its something like : Go to a partition contaning a jpeg file > Try dragging the jpeg file > menu pops up > click anywhere else to close menu > gwenview crashes
[15:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: IRC makes a poor bug reporting medium.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah i'll report it once i have the debug symbols
[15:03] <agateau> shadeslayer: is it reliably reproducible?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> agateau: yes
[15:03] <shadeslayer> every time
[15:04] <agateau> debfx: might have to do with being able to use those classes from unit-tests
[15:04] <agateau> debfx: not the best thing though
[15:04] <agateau> shadeslayer: let me try to reproduce
[15:04] <shadeslayer> agateau: sure i'm installing debug symbols meanwhile
[15:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I can't replicate this.  Are you on 64bit?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes and i'm running trunk
[15:04] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:05] <ScottK> No trunk here.
[15:05] <shadeslayer> ( looks like a crash somewhere in Qt i might add )
[15:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: crashes here as well (with master)
[15:05] <debfx> agateau: ah right, they include private headers
[15:07] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://paste.kde.org/76375 
[15:07] <agateau> shadeslayer: yes, stupid mistake on my side
[15:08] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:08] <agateau> shadeslayer: about to commit the fix, thanks for reporting
[15:08] <shadeslayer> np :)
[15:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: what woudl the ubuntu unfriendly squad do?
[15:09] <apachelogger> devalidate HW?
[15:10] <agateau> shadeslayer: fix pushed
[15:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Apply appropriate negativity at people that are screwing up.
[15:12] <ScottK> See recent discussions here with shadeslayer as an illustrative example of what such a team might accomplish.
[15:12] <shadeslayer> agateau: \o/
[15:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, I do not want to read :(
[15:14] <apachelogger> but the idea sounds like something we should have
[15:14] <shadeslayer> wait what are you guys talking about?
[15:15] <apachelogger> you
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> yofel: the weather wallpaper plugin in that package uses wallpapers from both packages
[15:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what about me?
[15:16] <apachelogger> don't remember, chatview is in my way and I am too lazyto scroll
[15:16] <apachelogger> darn you chatview *wave fist*
[15:17] <apachelogger> I fear we have too much to do
[15:17] <ScottK> IIRC it was something about wayward minions needing encouragement to do useful and appropriate quality work.
[15:17] <apachelogger> also I fear we need different approaches to undoing the todos
[15:17] <ScottK> wiki edit, delete, save, done.
[15:18] <apachelogger> but then what do we do until release?
[15:18] <apachelogger> there is only so much .prn one can watch
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i am starting to do work again, but just need a *bit* more time (  just 10 more days! ) ..... but i am going to do stuff this time 
[15:18] <apachelogger> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/159498
[15:18] <apachelogger> api
[15:18] <apachelogger> wooohooo
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> !info plasma-runner-installer oneiric
[15:18] <apachelogger> flip me running
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> trololo
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: plasma-runner-installer in oneiric
[15:19] <jussi> oh, bah, I forgot
[15:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah blame jussi
[15:19] <apachelogger> jussi: now you need to blame Quintasan
[15:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you consquently blame the shadeslayer
[15:20] <apachelogger> and then I join and blame ScottK
[15:20] <apachelogger> a circle of blame
[15:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Great.
[15:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: who would blame me again :P
[15:20] <apachelogger> if only we'd got an ubuntu unfriendly squad
[15:20] <apachelogger> we could have a daily circle of blame
[15:20] <ulysses> blamelogger
[15:20] <jussi> ahh, just skip it, its shadeslayer's fault because I have no blink.
[15:21] <shadeslayer> it's pythons fault for not working
[15:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: circles are no fun.  It's much better to have a hierarchy where blame can be dumped down on minions from above.
[15:21] <apachelogger> yay
[15:22] <apachelogger> I has retracted membership of kubuntu-mobile on that spam team
[15:22] <apachelogger> yay
[15:22] <apachelogger> now if only tonio had not made kdesudo member of that team -.-\
[15:22]  * apachelogger sighs a bit and stuff
[15:23] <ScottK> Someone who lives in France should go hunt down Tonio_ and make him rejoin us.  With jr distracted we could use his help again.
[15:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: well yes, but the minions would be implementing a circle
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> What I want to know is how I became a Xubuntu Developer, Member, User and Tester
[15:23] <apachelogger> we need a circle, so that the team can relate to the ubuntu circle of friends
[15:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: As long as I'm above the circle, I'm fine with circles.
[15:23] <apachelogger> hence a circle of blame would be a circle of unfriendly
[15:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Happened when you got core-dev.  It's inescapable.
[15:23] <Tonio_> ScottK, hey :)
[15:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, you are overlord
[15:24] <apachelogger> oh
[15:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: !
[15:24] <ScottK> Ah.  It's a Tonio_.
[15:24] <Tonio_> hi guys
[15:24] <Tonio_> not than I don't want to rejoin, but I don't use kde anymore
[15:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: can you please make kubuntu-members or kubuntu-council admin of kdesudo-kubuntu
[15:24] <Tonio_> worse, I can't use it
[15:24] <ScottK> Tonio_: You can come back to KDE now.  Even laserjock declared it good.
[15:24] <apachelogger> are you on arm and KDE does nto work?
[15:24] <apachelogger> cause we have a fix for that :P
[15:24] <Tonio_> ScottK, I need to test it...
[15:25] <ScottK> In any case if you could do the team thing apachelogger asks, that would be really helpful.
[15:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw did you see my beautiful kubuntu-low-fat?
[15:25] <Tonio_> ScottK, but the absolute lack of "professionnalism" in kde developpment, breaking things release after release, isn't making me confident for the future, to be honnest :)
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: I recall the proposal.  I did not notice any implementation yet. Where can I find it?
[15:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: It seems to be getting better.
[15:26] <Tonio_> ScottK, anyway, I wanna test it again, and if it's ready to be used, I'm quite okay to switch back
[15:26] <ScottK> I think the kmail pain we're about to experience is the last major one for awhile.
[15:26] <Tonio_> ScottK, in witch way is jr distracted ?
[15:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is why I ask, I forgot where I put it :P
[15:27] <ScottK> Tonio_: He's on rotation to the bzr team for 6 months, so he's only a free time contributor to Kubuntu this cycle.
[15:27] <Tonio_> ScottK, kmail is basically the most important app for me
[15:27] <Tonio_> oh okay
[15:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: lp:kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[15:27] <Tonio_> so there is no more people "paid" to make kubuntu ?
[15:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: doesn't hook into the configs yet, so you need to fiddle with something somewhere
[15:27] <ScottK> Tonio_: steveire has been working very hard to make sure we'll all love kmail2.
[15:28] <ScottK> We'll find out shortly.
[15:28] <apachelogger> the reason it does not do that yet, is because overlord apachelogger decided that implementing a decascader first made more sense
[15:28] <ScottK> Tonio_: Not this cycle (paid contributors).
[15:28] <Tonio_> "paid contributors" ?
[15:28] <Tonio_> ah ok sorry
[15:28] <Tonio_> got it
[15:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sounds like something that requires me to think, which is unlikely at 10:28 AM on a holiday.
[15:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, next year we can start from scratch with KDE 5 ;)
[15:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: He'll be back.
[15:29] <Tonio_> ScottK, oh did you know my gf is pregnant, and I'm gonna get married ?
[15:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: I did not.  Congratulations.
[15:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: I've lost track of you.  Are you back in France?
[15:29] <Tonio_> yup
[15:29] <Tonio_> I never was gone in fact
[15:30] <Tonio_> my company is in canada, but I stay in france
[15:30] <ScottK> I thought you were in Canada for awhile?
[15:30] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:30] <ScottK> OK.
[15:30] <Tonio_> I pretty much stopped kubuntu simply because I can't consider working on a project I don't trust in the first place...
[15:30] <ScottK> So we can send agateau after you if you go missing.
[15:30] <ScottK> So you think you can trust Gnome Shell better?
[15:31] <Tonio_> I really hope kde will make it again, but honnestly, afaics the nightmare kde4 has been since it's first release completly blow up the user's database...
[15:31] <Tonio_> I don't know if I can trust gnome-shell :)
[15:31] <Tonio_> but I know gnome 2 is still there, and kde 3 isn't :)
[15:31] <ScottK> For the moment.
[15:31] <Tonio_> but yeah, gnome-shell could push people to try kde again
[15:31] <ScottK> I think KDE4 is almost there.
[15:32] <ScottK> Tonio_: It already has.  
[15:32] <Tonio_> especially since unity is far from beeing universally loved
[15:32] <ScottK> That and Unity both.
[15:32] <Tonio_> ScottK, wanna know what is my primary OS right now ?
[15:32] <Tonio_> windows 7.... and it's amazing
[15:32] <ScottK> BTW, thanks to afiestas_work and friends KDE and bluetooth is now in very good shape (I remember that was one of your pain points)
[15:33] <Tonio_> ScottK, know what ? I'm gonna test kde4 toonight
[15:33] <ScottK> Great.
[15:33] <Tonio_> ScottK, I had a lot of points, but mainly, my concern was that I felt kde didn't consider users need (aka wireless manager that works, bluetooth)
[15:33] <Tonio_> and ended up feeling to me like a hudge band of geeks having fun
[15:33] <ScottK> The wireless stuff is getting pretty good too.
[15:34] <steveire> kmail2 seems to have problems for some people, but most or many are using it without problems.
[15:34] <Tonio_> ScottK, yeah I know :) after..... 8 years I'm using kde, there is now something that works
[15:34] <Tonio_> no issue with devs, I love them, but as we discussed, project manager was really, really lacking, and I lost motivation
[15:34] <ScottK> With my android phone I can do tethered networking via USB and all I have to do is enable it in the phone.  The KDE end just works.
[15:34] <Tonio_> let's test this kde4 again
[15:35] <Tonio_> I said to my gf last weeks I was missing workingon free software
[15:35] <ScottK> In the next release I think I'll be able to do this via bluetooth.
[15:36] <apachelogger> Tonio_: uh, congratulations
[15:36] <Tonio_> apachelogger, thanks :)
[15:36] <ScottK> Tonio_: Did you fix the kdesudo-kubuntu ownership?
[15:36] <ScottK> That would be super helpful.
[15:37] <apachelogger> it would also be helpful if everyone on the kubuntu council were administrator for the kubuntu council ^^
[15:38] <ScottK> True.
[15:38] <ScottK> I did mail jr about the council election results.
[15:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan, shadeslayer, yofel: p-i-n-g
[15:38] <Tonio_> ScottK, so what exactly do you need me to do ?
[15:38] <Tonio_> kubuntu-council member of kubuntu-kdesudo ?
[15:39] <ScottK> Tonio_: Make kubuntu-council an administrator.
[15:39] <Tonio_> ScottK, need to find out how to do this first :)
[15:39] <Tonio_> I never was a fanof launchpad for this kind of stuff
[15:40] <ScottK> Acutally if you could just make apachelogger an admin we can sort the rest later.
[15:40] <ScottK> I think first we need the kubuntu-council admin to request to join the team.
[15:41] <ScottK> And that's jr and he's not around.
[15:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: no, you can also add someone to a team, in which case that needs to be ack'd
[15:41] <ScottK> Oh.
[15:41] <ScottK> Then you explain it.
[15:41] <apachelogger> so yeah, making me admin is the quick fix
[15:41] <apachelogger> otherwise we'd have to wait for jr ^^
[15:42] <apachelogger> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/+members
[15:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger, may I put you as an admin ?
[15:42] <afiestas_work> ScottK: :p
[15:42] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yeah, please
[15:42] <Tonio_> apachelogger, already found that out :)
[15:42] <afiestas_work> Tonio_: if you need anything more on the Bluetooth side, just ping 
[15:43] <Tonio_> afiestas_work, sure :)
[15:43] <apachelogger> Tonio_: thanks
[15:43] <Tonio_> afiestas_work, and despite the criticism, I saw your wonderfull work on that point ;)
[15:43] <Tonio_> just... I was already moving on :)
[15:44] <apachelogger> membership to spam group retracted
[15:44] <Tonio_> ScottK, what is the compositing status in kde4 ? last time I tested it was broken with intel ships for 9 month
[15:44] <afiestas_work> criticism?
[15:44] <Tonio_> afiestas_work, about kde development and problems and so on.... I just used to be rude a couple of minutes ago :)
[15:45] <Tm_T> Tonio_: compositing? you mean kwin effects?
[15:45] <Tonio_> Tm_T, yup
[15:45] <ScottK> Tonio_: Depends on what Intel.  I've got a Sandybridge based laptop and it just works.  On my older stuff (like i945) I have to adjust what effects are enabled, but once I do that it works great.
[15:45] <Tonio_> ScottK, interesting
[15:45] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what ScottK says ^ for most stuff it should just work
[15:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: calligra asks for packaging their snapshot builds
[15:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: plus we need calligra mobile anyway
[15:46] <apachelogger> need a minion zomg!
[15:46] <ScottK> Tonio_: I find natty/4.6 WAAAY better than maverick/4.5 for graphics.
[15:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Need to talk to ana in Debian and see if they'll do it.
[15:47] <ScottK> I think that both Kwin and the Intel drivers have improved.
[15:48] <Tonio_> ScottK, will test toonight and let you know
[15:48] <Tonio_> maybe it's time for me to come back
[15:48] <Tonio_> but it'll be hard, many thing have changed since my "departure"
[15:49] <Tonio_> even technically, packaging is different, I mostly didn't use debhelper 7.... you'l have to help me "resync" with the project guys
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: p-o-n-g
[15:53] <ScottK> Tonio_: We'll be glad to have you back.  Helping out with getting you back up to speed is no problem.
[15:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: calligra -> project neon?!?!?!?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well ... calligra has too many authors, so i'm leaving out the copyright stuff for now, but apart from that i'm working on that right now
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uhm, if debian has versioned build deps that are lower than ours, and we just bumped the build deps for lib chages, it makes sense to drop our changes right?
[15:57] <apachelogger> what?
[15:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:58] <shadeslayer> thanks
[15:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: No point in preserving build-dep bumps that were just to prevent archive skew.
[15:58] <apachelogger> ahhh
[15:58]  * apachelogger did not compute the question
[15:58] <ScottK> Apparently that one needed to go east around the world, not west.
[15:59] <apachelogger> lol
[15:59] <shadeslayer> hehe 
[16:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: So my advice is hunt down this Adrien.
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Do you need a bug for a failed amd64 desktop cd install today?
[16:06] <charlie-tca> or is it known already?
[16:09] <ScottK> It isn't, but CD failures this early in the cycle are quite common and rarely bug worthy.
[16:10] <charlie-tca> with alpha1 coming this week, seems like we should at least be able to install
[16:10] <ScottK> It's an goal, but one we often don't meet.
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Mostly this early, I just tell people it failed. That at least lets you know something went wrong and you can check the build logs
[16:11] <ScottK> It is a good point that reminds me I need to get added to the failure reports for the Kubuntu images.
[16:11] <ScottK> Thanks for the reminder.
[16:11] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:28] <shadeslayer> okay, who will look at my ktorrent merge? :D
[16:30]  * apachelogger points at CIA-51
[16:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: i do not see no merge request
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah hold on, i just have a diff right now, would you like a proper bug report or the easy way where i just give you the diff
[16:34] <apachelogger> if we do not have a branch then I want a proper bug report
[16:34] <shadeslayer> okay
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, we don't have a branch 
[16:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: a MoM IDE would be cool ;)
[16:35] <apachelogger> where you can grab merges and drop to a shell and do stuff and all the mumbo jumbo 6^
[16:35] <apachelogger> madness
[16:35] <apachelogger> should not be too difficult as MoM has json files though :D :D: :D
[16:36] <ScottK> Well grab-merge, vim, diff, and patch suffice for me.
[16:36] <ScottK> I'm not sure what else such an IDE would provide.
[16:36] <apachelogger> search for packages
[16:36] <apachelogger> well
[16:36] <apachelogger> basically a GUI for that work flow right there
[16:37] <shadeslayer> filing a bug and attaching necessary stuff ^^
[16:37] <apachelogger> for example
[16:38] <apachelogger> not particularly useful, but surely a nice thing to program for someone who's starting with programming though
[16:39] <apachelogger> also from an automation POV interesting for research, perhaps we'd be 354% more efficient with such an app
[16:39] <apachelogger> who knows ^^
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> looks like arm building will go smoothly this cycle
[16:45] <apachelogger> kubuntu on arrrrm
[16:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: pong
[16:46] <ulysses> kubuntu pirate edition?
[16:46]  * Quintasan went to hardware store to get his computer fixed
[16:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: we needs project neon to spit out some calligra
[16:46] <Quintasan> apachelogger: On 0 - 10 scale, how important is it?
[16:46] <debfx> ScottK: what's the reasoning behind keeping the versionless boost -dev packages in universe?
[16:46] <apachelogger> I am not sure shadeslayer gives it the priority it deserves
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you work on the krita plugins till i finish calligra-history?
[16:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: 7
[16:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how long can it wait?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it will be done tonight :)
[16:47] <apachelogger> not very long
[16:47] <apachelogger> I aksed for it like a week ago
[16:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm pretty much without computer this week
[16:47] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:47] <Quintasan> or at least for today
[16:47] <apachelogger> and today upstream approached me about getting calligra coverage in kubuntu
[16:47] <apachelogger> so we better get moving
[16:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: point upstream to me then
[16:48] <apachelogger> yofel: equally, I'd need a ninja to package the calligra snapshot, adrien from debian-kde does have packaging, but apparently not committed/push etc.
[16:48] <Quintasan> I can't work as much as I would like because >9000 assigments
[16:48] <Quintasan> in school
[16:48] <apachelogger> I know the feeling :D
[16:48]  * apachelogger was working 16hrs yesterday on functional programming :D
[16:48] <Quintasan> If I somehow pull through this and beggining of next week I should be done
[16:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: did you get your board?
[16:49] <apachelogger> no, I only ordered last week
[16:49] <Quintasan> heh
[16:49] <apachelogger> it be pending the website says
[16:49] <Quintasan> My package is in Warsaw right now
[16:49] <apachelogger> shipping date is internationl day of pending
[16:49] <Quintasan> I on bet "at least one week in customs" option
[16:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh they sent it to poland directly?
[16:50] <Quintasan> Dunno
[16:50] <apachelogger> austrian stuff usually gets routed through germany so customs get done there
[16:50] <apachelogger> usually takes no longer than half a day
[16:50] <Quintasan> I only looked at where it is now :P
[16:50] <apachelogger> you must not forget where things are coming from
[16:50] <apachelogger> otherwise you are loosing perspective on where they should be going
[16:51] <Quintasan> apachelogger: point calligra upstream to me if what they want are [daily,weekly,biweekly,monthly} builds :P
[16:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is one bare merge request :P
[16:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah one sec, i'm just scp'ing the diffs ^_^
[16:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: they want a snapshot build, but since we like to give more than requested we need weekly calligra :P
[16:52] <apachelogger> nothing more to say there
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> hmm, overwrite errors in kdebase-runtime, must have missed some
[16:52] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: #calligra talk to ingwa
[16:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: overlords are not supposed to admit failure :P
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ingwa carries a snapshot of calligra on a high speed usb stick to give to people :D
[16:53] <ScottK> debfx: Which one?  libboost-dev is in Main
[16:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: He is not there :<
[16:53] <Quintasan> more like
[16:53] <debfx> ScottK: e.g. libboost-graph-dev
[16:53] <Quintasan> he is not on IRC
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger guys, i'm covering calligra, it shall be done tonight
[16:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Make it quality
[16:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: now imagine he had kubuntu packages on thatusb stick
[16:54] <Quintasan> not fast
[16:54] <apachelogger> and kubuntu
[16:54] <apachelogger> as otherwise it made little sense
[16:54] <apachelogger> .....
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: for project-neon
[16:54] <ScottK> debfx: Some of them there's no user in Main.  The ones that need MPI are in Universe because we don't want to pull the full MPI stack into Main to build them.
[16:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: QUALITY
[16:54] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[16:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: QUALITY
[16:54] <shadeslayer> right
[16:54]  * shadeslayer checks his ktorrent patches one last time
[16:54]  * apachelogger should make kubotu highlight shadeslayer every hour or so saying QUALITY
[16:55] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:55] <Quintasan> +1
[16:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger++
[16:55] <ScottK> debfx: That's why we split boost1.46 into also having boost-mpi-source1.46.
[16:55] <Quintasan> ~karma apachelogger
[16:55] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 11
[16:55] <Quintasan> ~karma Quintasan
[16:55] <kubotu> karma for Quintasan: 2
[16:55] <Quintasan> :/
[16:55] <apachelogger> I am the lord president
[16:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan++
[16:55] <Quintasan> ~karma Quintasan
[16:55] <kubotu> karma for Quintasan: 3
[16:55] <Quintasan> \o/
[16:55] <shadeslayer> oh good lord no
[16:55]  * Quintasan goes to biology
[16:55] <apachelogger> http://images.wikia.com/tardis/images/e/ed/Doctor_Who_-_Time_Lords_in_The_End_of_Time.jpg
[16:55] <apachelogger> tada
[16:56] <Quintasan> Little do all of you know how much I loathe biology
[16:56] <apachelogger> just consider that most of the things in biology are nakkid
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can't be more than me hating Microwave and RADAR's
[16:56] <apachelogger> cells: nakkid, camels: nakkid, leafs: nakkid
[16:56] <apachelogger> only trees are sorta dressed
[16:56] <ScottK> debfx: We always depend on the versioned packages in KDE because I think it's a horrible situation to switch boost versions you are using by accident.
[16:57] <Quintasan> aforementioned stuff: NOT INTERESTING
[16:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell me about radars
[16:57] <debfx> ScottK: how so? have there been problems in the past?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i hate them
[16:57] <apachelogger> gotta fly insanely high with my spaceship all the time
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> !find xine.pm
[16:57] <apachelogger> just because of them silly things
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: burn it, burn it with fire
[16:58] <Quintasan> MOAR BLOG POSTS
[16:58] <apachelogger> post0r
[16:58]  * Quintasan goes back to biology for sure
[16:58] <Quintasan> later
[16:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you not promise a postz?
[16:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you not promize a postz like months ago?!?!?!?
[16:58] <ScottK> debfx: Yes.  It's been better recently but it used to be a large fraction of packages would FTBFS with newer boost.
[16:58] <ScottK> Also in KDE we need to move the whole stack at the same time.
[16:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, i'm telling you, wait till the 10th of next month
[16:59] <ScottK> Since different boost versions aren't binary compatible.
[16:59] <shadeslayer> if i don't have a post ready by 11th/12th then i'll buy you beer :P
[16:59] <apachelogger> one?
[16:59] <ScottK> Almost two weeks for a blog post?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 10
[16:59] <apachelogger> you realize that one is the prequesit for me sponsoring one merge request
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: almost two weeks for these flipping exams to get over
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: libxine-dev is a debuild -S depend of kdebase-runtime now :P
[16:59] <apachelogger> considering I uploaded 2 already
[16:59] <apachelogger> that makes 10 beers
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean 12 beers
[17:00] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lolwut?
[17:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: With bandwidth in India being what it is, it'll take weeks to get 10 beers to you.
[17:00] <apachelogger> why?
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> it uses some dh_xine magic now
[17:00] <apachelogger> good point
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nah, i'm buying a new connection too now ... 3.2 MBps it says
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> needing xine.pm from libxine-dev
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 790265 
[17:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, right, I think there is some crapz in runtime that uses xin0r
[17:00] <apachelogger> int he phonon kcm
[17:00] <apachelogger> or I might be wrong
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: plz report bukz
[17:01] <apachelogger> "y u use old soft warables?"
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> y u distribute old software sources?
[17:01] <apachelogger> that is not what we does
[17:01] <apachelogger> we only use em
[17:02] <apachelogger> dem bones dem bones dem dancing bones *sing*
[17:05]  * ScottK wants some of what apachelogger's on.
[17:07]  * JontheEchidna wonders how well the sqlite akonadi backend works
[17:10] <claydoh_> sqlite? i can haz??
[17:11] <DarkwingDuck> morning
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> morning, fellow overlord
[17:13] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:13] <DarkwingDuck> How is the world of devels?
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> developy
[17:14] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:15] <ScottK> charlie-tca: I'm subscribed for the build failure mails for all Kubuntu images now, so as long as I'm around, no need to ping.
[17:15] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Perhaps you could have a look at our specs and see what we need to finish them to be ready for KC review.
[17:16] <charlie-tca> Thanks, ScottK 
[17:16] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Aye
[17:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: I see you got a nice comment from asiego on your blog post.
[17:18] <ScottK> ie/ei
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> I suppose that means he is forgiven for his Kunity post :P
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you upload ktorrent ?
[17:33] <apachelogger> no, I am flipping packing
[17:33] <apachelogger> also no further uploads before I did not get my beer
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ah for randa ..
[17:34] <ulysses> always drinking…
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, for Graz
[17:35] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[17:35] <apachelogger> travel plans: Graz -> Randa -> Graz -> Vienna -> Upper Austria -> Graz
[17:35] <apachelogger> that is just the next 2 weeks
[17:35] <shadeslayer> wow
[17:36]  * shadeslayer goes ARM ftbfs hunting
[17:37] <apachelogger> arrrm
[17:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think Austria is small enough that movement within it barely counts as 'travel'.
[17:39] <shadeslayer> would it be possible to attach a shell to running screen session?
[17:39] <Quintasan> ScottK: statement above shall be judged as 10/10
[17:39] <Quintasan> ScottK: Your statement of course :P
[17:41] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: That's like driving from north to south through a major US city right? :P:P
[17:41] <ScottK> It's a little further than that.  Particularly east/west
[17:42] <DarkwingDuck> Unless that city is L.A.
[17:42]  * DarkwingDuck chuckles
[17:42]  * Quintasan braces for impact
[17:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: you never went from brisbane to perth clearly
[17:43] <apachelogger> that is one long journey
[17:43] <ScottK> Agreed.
[17:43] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: It's like driving around Kentucky, but smaller.
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh, Yeah. Still small.
[17:44] <Quintasan> lol
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> But, better then deleware
[17:44]  * Quintasan abandons the warship and starts doing maths
[17:44] <ScottK> Yes.  You can blink and miss Delaware.  
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> Yup. 
[17:45]  * apachelogger giggles
[17:45] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein
[17:45]  * Quintasan hands ScottK a trollface mask
[17:45] <ScottK> Except for the toll booth on I-95.  Even with Easy Pass you still have to slow down.
[17:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  Similar.
[17:46] <LaserJock> ScottK: man, it was very crazy for me when I was in New England that way. I was used to Rocky Mountain driving. I went to Rhode Island and it was gone in a flash
[17:46] <ScottK> I think Delaware is actually slightly larger.
[17:46] <apachelogger> why ever the empire of austria did not eat liechtenstein alive is truly confusing
[17:46] <apachelogger> perhaps it was too small
[17:46] <Quintasan> >empire
[17:46] <Quintasan> lol
[17:46] <ulysses> because they've eaten Hungary:P
[17:46]  * Quintasan hides behind the statue of Invisible Pink Unicorn
[17:46] <ScottK> Probably because they wanted a barrier from the Landsknechts
[17:47] <ScottK> Oops.  Wrong term.
[17:47] <ScottK> Those are the German imitators.
[17:47] <ulysses> Quintasan: if it is invisible how do you know it's pink?
[17:47] <Quintasan> ulysses: BELIEVE
[17:47] <apachelogger> well
[17:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is no laughing matter at all
[17:48] <apachelogger> like 1/4 of poland was eaten by austria
[17:48] <apachelogger> at one or two points anyway
[17:48] <Quintasan> At one point
[17:48] <apachelogger> are you sure
[17:48] <Quintasan> And who saved your asses from Turkish invasion?
[17:48] <apachelogger> oh, perhaps the empire did not care anymore to take part in the second partition
[17:49] <ulysses> ^^
[17:49] <apachelogger> The Second Partition: January 23, 1793 (in which Austria did not participate).
[17:49] <apachelogger> indeedly
[17:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not that hungarians :P
[17:49]  * DarkwingDuck polishes his US Forces is WW1/2 bailout badge. :P:P
[17:49] <apachelogger> s/that/the
[17:49] <DarkwingDuck> s/is/in
[17:49] <ulysses> apachelogger: haha, we were there too
[17:49] <ScottK> Well, at the time Poland had an interesting form of government that made it really easy to swallow bits of it.
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> lol, this reminds me of when jr, harald, michal and myself discussed european history and politics at that pub in Budapest
[17:50] <Quintasan> ScottK: It is more like there was no government
[17:50] <ScottK> IIRC any decision required unanimous agreement from all the nobility which was like impossible to get.
[17:50] <ScottK> So it amounted to the same thing.
[17:50] <apachelogger> ulysses: yeah, just like the prussians....
[17:50] <apachelogger> not quite so helpful :P
[17:51] <Quintasan> ScottK: Strange as it seems, it was working for over 80 years before that :O
[17:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Partitions_of_Poland.png
[17:51] <apachelogger> twice
[17:51] <apachelogger> that last partition was when the independent state of poland was completely absorbed by the empires of the time
[17:52] <apachelogger> they are like obsorbalovs from doctor who
[17:52] <apachelogger> orwhatever the thing was called
[17:52] <apachelogger> one of the most crappy episodes in all of time and space that was
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> absorbalofs?
[17:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: We angered Russia by accepting the Constitution :P
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> ha, I had almost forgotten about that episode
[17:53] <ulysses> which episode was that?
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> Love & Monsters
[17:54] <ulysses> ah
[17:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Random Fact: When Polish government was voting upon the Constitution, there were  less than 1/4 of the nobility present
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> the girl ends up as a tile of sidewalk with a face :(
[17:54] <ulysses> that was crappy
[17:54] <Quintasan> in other ways: We forced it lololol
[17:54] <ScottK> This reminds me (on a more serious note): When Poland joined NATO there was a woman who worked for me who was from Poland and I remember on the day it became official she was in tears.  I asked her what was the matter.  It turned out they were tears of joy.  She said "Now it can NEVER happen again" (it being the Russians)
[17:55] <ulysses> A Good Man goes into war, that will be interesting
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> yes, very much so
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> I think my favorite episode so far this season was The Doctor's Wife
[17:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: :D
[17:56] <Quintasan> commies--
[17:56] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: me too
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> The whole season has been really good, imo
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> oh, and, like magic: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kdenetwork/ubuntu/revision/145
[17:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: OTOH only Poland and France made it to Moscow when conquering Russia :P
[17:59]  * Quintasan can remember from history that Poland hijacked Russia's throne twice by dirty tricks
[18:00] <ScottK> Quintasan: But Russia is big enough that getting to Moscow is just getting started.
[18:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: Actually the Mongols got to Moscow starting from the far end.
[18:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: The rest of Russia is actually not worth the effort :P
[18:03] <Quintasan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
[18:03] <Quintasan> :P
[18:08]  * ScottK wonders what lucidfox thinks of all this.
[18:08] <mgraesslin> where can I find information on how to install Neon?
[18:08] <ScottK> Quintasan: shadeslayer: ^^^
[18:09] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: one sec
[18:09] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neon/ppa
[18:09] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon << More info here :)
[18:10] <mgraesslin> thanks
[18:11] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: #project-neon for complaints, questions, suggestions :)
[18:11] <lucidfox> ScottK, of what?
[18:11] <lucidfox> Technically, what you say is true :)
[18:12] <lucidfox> and IIRC, when the Mongols invaded, Moscow didn't even exist, but I may be wrong
[18:12] <lucidfox> if it did exist, it was an insignificant nowhere town
[18:13] <lucidfox> and Quintasan, Poland never *actually* hijacked Russia's throne
[18:13] <lucidfox> once they got close, garrisoned in the Kremlin, but Minin and Pozharsky's militia repelled them
[18:14] <lucidfox> and JontheEchidna, I absolutely hated The Doctor's Wife - for me it's a distinct moment when Doctor Who jumped the shark
[18:15] <lucidfox> and I only kind-of-liked the other episodes because I just lowered my expectations for Moffat's venture
[18:15] <Quintasan> lucidfox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Dmitriy_I
[18:15] <Quintasan> :D
[18:15] <lucidfox> Oh, him. Well, he wasn't technically Polish.
[18:15] <ulysses> The Doctor's Wife was good, but the next two weren't
[18:15] <lucidfox> See now, I liked the next two
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> heh
[18:16] <lucidfox> I tend to like the serious episodes
[18:16] <lucidfox> And sometimes the silly ones
[18:16] <Quintasan> lucidfox: I am not really sure about "conquering" Moscow, I heard our army made it there because most of the city was abandoned
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, the last two were creepy
[18:16] <Quintasan> lucidfox: There were like three of those False Dmitryis
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> very successful at being suspenseful
[18:16] <lucidfox> but The Doctor's Wife was neither serious nor silly, it was just... tasteless.
[18:16] <lucidfox> yes, Jon
[18:17] <lucidfox> I liked the twist in the end, too
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> I bet they had so much fun putting in that "to be continued", I almost yelled at my laptop
[18:17] <Quintasan> lol
[18:17] <Quintasan> +10 in trolling
[18:18] <lucidfox> trolling? o_O
[18:18] <Quintasan> referring to JontheEchidna's message
[18:18] <lucidfox> ah
[18:19] <lucidfox> Well, I actually kind of suspected that the Eyepatch Woman was the result of "our" Amy's senses interfering with some "alternate" Amy, I just didn't expect it to be *that*
[18:19] <lucidfox> They even made me care about Amy, and I normally don't. Blandest companion ever
[18:19] <ulysses> that flesh amy was a bit silly
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> So she must have kidnapped her somewhere around the start of the season, yes?
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> perhaps in the gap between "The Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon"
[18:20] <lucidfox> apparently the creators said it happened before the season
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> huh, I've not yet watched the confidential for this episode
[18:20] <ulysses> but why wear Rory the Roman suit again?
[18:22] <lucidfox> Cosplay? :p
[18:22] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Be sure to let us know if something is not right in Neon
[18:22] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: sure, but I will only test in a Virtual Machine
[18:22]  * mgraesslin wants to know if new kwin works with OpenGL now
[18:23] <lucidfox> Anyway, regarding False Dimitry I, the most popular theory is that he was a Russian monk who fled to Poland
[18:23] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: cool
[18:25] <Quintasan> lucidfox: Poland apparently "aided" him in taking the throne, though I read in my history textbook that people did not like him much and he ended in a horrible way
[18:26] <lucidfox> Well, he was an atypical tsar, and actually surprisingly progressive for his time
[18:26] <lucidfox> in a calmer time, he could have become the Peter I before there was a Peter I :(
[18:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: plasma-active == plasma-mobile?
[18:27] <Quintasan> lucidfox: What I hate is that Poland had a ton of other problems yet they chose to meddle with everyone around and we ended up in deep sh...problems
[18:28] <lucidfox> What do you mean?
[18:32] <Quintasan> lucidfox: well, at that time, apart from meddling with Russia we were fighting with Sweden over the throne as well
[18:32] <Quintasan> We were at war with Turkish Empire as well
[18:33] <ScottK> Quintasan: No.  plasma-mobile == phones, plasma-active == tablets and other small things.
[18:33] <ScottK> Related, but not the same.
[18:34] <ScottK> OK.  I think that's enough trouble stirred up.
[18:34] <ScottK> See you all a bit later.
[18:34] <Quintasan> \o
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> KDE sighting in Dr. Who Confidential: http://i.imgur.com/yiQYb.png
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> better shot: http://i.imgur.com/A7QZW.png
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> aww, Fedora :P
[19:01] <ulysses> they have a robotics suite
[19:02] <bambee> evening
[19:41] <yofel> hm, why are the .so links back in kdelibs5-plugins?
[19:57] <yofel> gah, overwrite hell
[20:00] <debfx> yofel: .so links? are you sure?
[20:04] <yofel> ah nvm, misunderstood the changelog. Only a few moved
[20:04] <yofel> more overwrite hell
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I didn't mean to take both kdegraphics and kdemultimedia at once, so I'm removing myself from multimedia on MoM
[20:31] <debfx> yofel_: have you noticed another file conflict except kdelibs5-data -> libplasma3?
[20:33] <yofel_> debfx: yep, fixed in bzr
[20:36] <debfx> ok
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> We have an idea when/if KDE 4.7 will be avalible with a Kubuntu tag/
[20:39] <yofel> forget b1, maybe we'll make it for b2
[20:40] <DarkwingDuck> Shooting for B2?
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> Its not released till July anyway
[20:41] <yofel> well, we first need to finish the merge anyway, and it seems like we don't have enough people working on it :S
[20:42] <LaserJock> is there a list for that?
[20:42] <DarkwingDuck> :(
[20:42] <DarkwingDuck> List for?
[20:42] <yofel> you can se on the merges.ubuntu.com link in the topic what is done and what not
[20:43] <yofel> (assuming you mean the merge)
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> Hmm http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/05/libplasma2.html
[20:43] <LaserJock> well, I just meant if there was a specific list for KDE
[20:44] <LaserJock> or do you just look for *kde*
[20:44] <yofel> we didn't bother to set one up, just look for kde*
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> in the past we've used something like this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging (like we currently use for packaging new releases)
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> that's a fairly complete list
[20:45] <LaserJock> ok
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell! Welcome back!
[20:49] <Riddell> hola
[20:49] <DarkwingDuck> How is the BZR world? :P:P
[20:52] <Riddell> fun. lots of thinking involved in this programming stuff.  and it's python so you can't just slack off with the excuse that it's compiling
[20:52] <yofel> any eta when we'll be able to use bzr co kubuntu:kdelibs ? :P
[20:53] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:53] <Riddell> I haven't looked into that yet yofel, except at a glance and it didn't look like a memory issue
[20:54] <yofel> ah, well memory is neon anyway, and you could blame either bzr or LP there
[20:54] <yofel> brb
[21:19]  * JontheEchidna grabs kdebase for a merge
[21:52] <jussi> !info kubuntu-desktop oneiric
[21:52] <jussi> JontheEchidna: there we arem fixored
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[21:53] <yofel> yay
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> !info plasma-runner-installer
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> !info plasma-runner-installer oneiric
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> duh
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan_: ^
[21:53] <jussi> :)
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> jussi: btw, your Muon bug got fixed in 1.1.3
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt/
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> packages available for natty and maverick
[21:56] <jussi> JontheEchidna: <3 thanks :D
[22:15] <apachelogger> why is it that every time I go somewhere I end up with a pile of highlights
[22:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: the empire of austria never did a russian campaign, I believe they were best friends actually
[22:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: plasma-active != plasma-mobile but based on it
[22:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: the target of plasma active is to eventually target everything that is not desktop, so IMHO it is more of a project than a product, but oh well....
[22:18] <yofel> the active/mobile question arose from wondering how to get active in neon.
[22:18] <yofel> Does that even have it's own git or where is that?
[22:19]  * yofel wonders if his headache comes from the kdeplasma-addons merge or from the heat
[22:19] <yofel> I tend to heat
[22:21] <apachelogger> yofel: talk to afiestas about that
[22:22] <apachelogger> he offered to even keep you up-to-date with changes necessary
[22:22] <apachelogger> as active is a fast moving target
[22:22] <apachelogger> the more interesting question, do we haz calligra yet? :P
[22:22] <yofel> shadeslayer created the packaging branch for calligra, didn't have time to look at it closer yet
[22:24] <apachelogger> kk
[22:57]  * micahg feels the need for PSA: when merging from Debian, please use -v to include the Debian changelogs since the last Ubuntu version, this will autoclose any LP bugs closed in Debian and show the changelog entries on the oneiric-changes ML
[22:58] <debfx> micahg: I find that is mostly an issue of lacking tool support
[22:59] <debfx> like an option that automatically determines the current version in the archive
[22:59] <micahg> debfx: that could be, barry pointed out there's something with the UDD tools that does that apparently
[23:00]  * micahg thought of proposing it as a default when generating sources
[23:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: join #phonon
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> Why do we have a kdeutils-dev package?
[23:01] <debfx> micahg: well not all uploads are targeted at the archive
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> there are no reverse-build-depends
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> and Debian does not carry this package
[23:02] <debfx> !info kdeutils-dev oneiric
[23:02] <micahg> debfx: true, but does it ever hurt?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> oh
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> we just have the old .install file kicking around :)
[23:04] <debfx> micahg: for example it makes the ppa page noisy
[23:04] <debfx> if you always include the changelog diff from archive to current ppa version
[23:05] <micahg> debfx: true
[23:06] <yofel> what is that -v for? dput?
[23:06] <debfx> yofel: yes
[23:06] <micahg> debfx: yofel, no it's for debuild
[23:07] <yofel> ah
[23:07] <debfx> ehh yes, of course
[23:19]  * JontheEchidna grabs kdepim-runtime for merging
[23:21] <debfx> JontheEchidna: could you upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/kamoso_2.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc for me
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> sure
[23:21] <debfx> it's not in the packageset yet
[23:28] <rbelem> apachelogger, i just transfered the ownership of kubuntu-mobile team to kubuntu-council :-)