[00:00] <uberdub> Linux uberdub-HP-Mini-311-1000 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[00:00] <guest09876> k
[00:01] <guest09876> we ruled out that one
[00:01] <guest09876> im looking at the known bugs
[00:01] <guest09876> see if anything matches
[00:02] <guest09876> uberdub, from reading recent forums i see people still using distro releases from four years agoors
[00:04] <uberdub> yeah
[00:04] <uberdub> everything pertaining to my card is pretty old in the forums, hence why Im here
[00:05] <uberdub> none of them are specific to my errors either
[00:05] <guest09876> linux doesnt even know what my card is lol
[00:05] <uberdub> what does lspci say?
[00:06] <guest09876> lshw says its one thing ORRR another lol
[00:06] <uberdub> have you looked at lspci?
[00:06] <uberdub> should say whats connected
[00:06] <guest09876> says the same thing
[00:06] <guest09876> nope
[00:06] <uberdub> says what?
[00:06] <guest09876> its not connected
[00:07] <uberdub> doesnt see it at all?
[00:07] <guest09876> it does but it doesnt know what it is
[00:07] <guest09876> and dell doesnt have what card it is on the specs pade
[00:07] <guest09876> page*
[00:08] <uberdub> hmm
[00:08] <uberdub> yeah you need to know that in order to use it
[00:08] <guest09876> i know
[00:08] <uberdub> man, Im about to just put winblows on my laptop
[00:08] <guest09876> im going to but a 12 dollars linksys card probably
[00:09] <guest09876> i always had real good luck with linksys
[00:09] <uberdub> linksys is just a brand though
[00:09] <uberdub> they dont make chips afaik
[00:10] <guest09876> all what i know when it says linksys it works lol
[00:10] <uberdub> I guess asking for a linux OS that just works is asking too much
[00:10] <uberdub> Im tired of my hardware being limited
[00:10] <guest09876> you can always use windows lol
[00:10] <uberdub> due to crap drivers, or the nonexistence of drivers
[00:11] <uberdub> I hate windows
[00:11] <uberdub> but I might
[00:11] <guest09876> lol
[00:11] <guest09876> good luck
[00:12] <guest09876> every computer i had windows on always got some type of virus on it
[00:12] <guest09876> never with linux
[00:12] <uberdub> I dont have issues with viruses
[00:12] <guest09876> well malware etc
[00:13] <uberdub> it can be high maintenance in that regard, but at least things actually work
[00:13] <uberdub> you wont get malware, and viruses with proper administration
[00:14] <guest09876> im pretty sure thast incorrect
[00:14] <guest09876> thats*
[00:14] <uberdub> its a lot easier to scan, and delete those things than write your own config scripts from scratch just to use the basic functions of your hardware
[00:14] <guest09876> but im going to agree to disagree cause im not looking for a deabte lol
[00:14] <guest09876> debate*
[00:15] <uberdub> sure new instances of malware, and viruses cant be detected, but thats rare
[00:15] <uberdub> dont download porn
[00:16] <BajK> lol
[00:16] <uberdub> you have to let software on your computer
[00:16] <uberdub> it doesnt magically install itself
[00:17] <moshy> iv found that the synaptic package installer is very handy
[00:17] <moshy> who is the smart ubuntu user here?
[00:18] <guest09876> moshy, not me
[00:19] <moshy> any way i have 2 hard drives that i need to repair the fat on and i have no clue where to start since im new to ubuntu
[00:20] <moshy> the recovery software include with the drives dose not work as it needs an active windows interface to recover and thy are my windows drives
[00:20] <moshy> any sugestions?
[00:34] <BajK_> man, why is the mouse always so slow :D *changing mouse acceleratioon to 15x and pointer threshold to 2px/ :D
[00:47] <amichair> does anyone know how to use sfdisk?
[00:54] <l1950ff> un saludo
[00:59] <EldonG> Hey...I have a strange problem on my Kubuntu laptop...Diablo 2 won't play or install...it can't find the CD, even when it's in the drive or an ISO is mounted.
[01:00] <EldonG> anybody?
[01:04] <EldonG> hihi?
[01:15] <guest09876> EldonG , Hello and i have no idea
[01:16] <guest09876> are you using wine?
[01:20] <EldonG> Yeah, using wine...I don't get it.
[01:24] <EldonG> Heck...I installed Oblivion. the other day...but it crashes.
[01:27] <EldonG> any gamers in here?
[01:41] <uberdub> cant help with wine
[01:41] <uberdub> sorry
[01:41] <uberdub> I dont use it
[01:41] <uberdub> if its not native, Im not interested
[01:41] <uberdub> got a ps3 for all the latest gaming
[01:53] <sayeghr> Hey guys
[01:53] <sayeghr> Ive got a weird problem. I cant seem to copy files to the USB. it seems to just copy like a symlink or some shit.
[01:54] <sayeghr> Anyone around?
[01:55] <mr-rich> sayeghr: patience ...
[01:55] <sayeghr> Just wanting to make sure people are around, sorry.
[02:11] <BlackF1r3> is anyone here?
[02:11] <BlackF1r3> i got a q
[02:12] <BlackF1r3> what is the diff between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:12] <sayeghr> kubuntu uses KDE for its desktop environment whereas ubuntu uses gnome3/unity.
[02:12] <sayeghr> Thats about it.
[02:12] <BlackF1r3> ah ok and which is nicer looking?
[02:13] <sayeghr> I liked gnome 2
[02:13] <sayeghr> but with the new version, gnome 3 and unity
[02:13] <sayeghr> I think its a piece of shit
[02:13] <FloodBotK1> sayeghr: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:13] <sayeghr> So... I use kubuntu (for kde, which in my opinon looks better and runs better)
[02:14] <BlackF1r3> oh ok thank you man and have u tried other linux distros?
[02:15] <sayeghr> Archlinux
[02:15] <sayeghr> I like it a lot. Its a bit difficult to get going out of hte gate, but if you are somewhat experienced, I highly recommend it.
[02:15] <sayeghr> Otherwise, kubuntu or ubuntu is a good start.
[02:15] <BlackF1r3> interesting whats that like ? i have used ubuntu and puppy linux
[02:16] <sayeghr> archlinux all the packages get compiled on the fly
[02:16] <BlackF1r3> switching over to Kubuntu right now
[02:16] <sayeghr> instead of prepackaged binaries
[02:16] <sayeghr> ya, kubuntu is a good choice
[02:16] <sayeghr> archlinux is the latest and greatest
[02:16] <FloodBotK1> sayeghr: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:16] <sayeghr> so, sometimes it breaks
[02:16] <sayeghr> kubuntus been solid so far for me.
[02:16] <BlackF1r3> ah i see so i would have to know a lot for that to work out?
[02:18] <sayeghr> kubuntu no, its easy.
[02:18] <sayeghr> you've got it
[02:18] <sayeghr> arch is mroe complicated, yes.
[02:18] <BlackF1r3> thats what i meant
[02:20] <BlackF1r3> hows linux mint?
[02:21] <sayeghr> dunno, Ive only really used archlinux, ubuntu, fedora, and redhat.
[02:23] <BlackF1r3> kk thanks dude u have been great help
[02:23] <sayeghr> Awesome, take it easy bro.
[02:24] <sayeghr> Hey guys, Ive got a weird problem. I cant seem to copy files to the USB. it seems to just copy like a symlink or some shit.
[02:24] <IdleOne> sayeghr: please keep the language clean
[02:24] <taglass> "archlinux all the packages get compiled on the fly" umm what?  That's only the case for stuff out of AUR.
[02:27] <BlackF1r3> whats LXDE ?
[02:27] <taglass> http://lxde.org/
[02:28] <BlackF1r3> thanks
[02:29] <sayeghr> not sure
[02:30] <BlackF1r3> can u install multiple graphical enviornments on one system?
[02:30] <taglass> Yes
[02:31] <taglass> The login screen will have a dropdown box that lets you select which one you want to use for that session.
[02:31] <BlackF1r3> ok when i come back will someone teach me?
[02:33] <taglass> BlackF1r3: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lxde
[02:34] <BlackF1r3> kk
[02:34] <taglass> That should install lxde
[02:44] <moshy> im using xfce  and need to recover the file alocation tabel on 2 windows hard drives however i cant seem to find a drive interface any place , is that some kind of package i need to install?
[03:15] <frogonwheels> moshy: Hm.. I've had to do stuff similar to that before.  It was a while ago, and Linux has surely moved on a long way - for me it was the pointers to the FAT (in the first 512bytes of the partition) that I'd managed to clear.
[03:17] <frogonwheels> moshy:  I ended up using  dd and  compiling a little utility  that used linux header files that described the fat - and poking in values myself, after wading through the disk to find the position of the FATs
[03:17] <frogonwheels> moshy: (and then dd'ing it back).
[03:18] <frogonwheels> moshy: I'm talking 8+ years ago now that I really think of it!
[03:19] <frogonwheels> moshy:  ?>? http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk ??
[04:22] <EldonG> hey...I asked before...but...does anybody play Diablo 2 that might help me?
[04:28] <c2tarun> EldonG: obviously you are not going to ask any questions, iike how to play. :) just ask the problem
[04:28] <EldonG> Ok...Kubuntu sees the disk, but D2 doesn't.  Very strange.
[04:29] <c2tarun> what do you mean by sees the disk?
[04:37] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all.
[04:40] <Linkmaster> he LINKSWORD2
[04:40] <Linkmaster> *hey
[04:41] <LINKSWORD2> What's up?
[04:42] <Linkmaster> nothing much, you join the -offtopic?
[04:44] <LINKSWORD2> Oy, let's try this again. Linkmaster, can you give me the info / command to join offtopic?
[04:44] <Linkmaster> What client are you using?
[04:45] <LINKSWORD2> That was strange.
[04:45] <LINKSWORD2> Anyway, I'm using Quassel IRC on Kubuntu 11.
[04:45] <c2tarun> Linkmaster: do you think clients are relevant? commands are processed be the node
[04:46] <c2tarun> *be=by
[04:46] <LINKSWORD2> lol @ c2tarun
[04:46] <Linkmaster> c2tarun: no, but if he was using a client familiar to me, I was just going to tell him that way instead
[04:46] <LINKSWORD2> Well, Linkmaster, are you familiar with Quassel IRC?
[04:46] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: press the 'join' at the top, click on the channel section and type #kubuntu-offtopic and there you go
[04:46] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: its my favorite :D
[04:47] <c2tarun> or just click on #kubuntu-offtopic <--- here
[04:47] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks, c2tarun
[04:49] <LINKSWORD2> ... Crash-fest/
[04:49] <LINKSWORD2> ?*
[04:50] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a keyboard command to switch between open channels?
[04:51] <Linkmaster> not sure, but c2tarun thanks for teaching me something new
[04:52] <c2tarun> LINKSWORD2: for Quassel I dont know, but there are keyboard shortcuts in konversation.
[04:53] <c2tarun> LINKSWORD2: in quassel its Alt+DOWN/UP
[04:53] <LINKSWORD2> OK, thanks.
[04:54] <c2tarun> anytime you want a shortcut just take a look at settings>configure shortcuts. If there is any you can use it, or configure it accordingly :)
[04:55] <tx0105> does anybody know what the major differences...if any...there are between Mint 10 KDE and Kubuntu 11.04? I'm trying to decide on a KDE flavor
[04:56] <c2tarun> tx0105: well differences in mint and kubuntu are diff then diff in KDE versions, you can tell us the version of KDE you are using.
[04:56] <c2tarun> kubuntu 11.04 supplied with kde 4.6.2
[04:59] <tx0105> so kubuntu has the newer version of KDE?
[04:59] <Linkmaster> tx0105: yep, 4.6.3
[04:59] <Linkmaster> and if you really know what your doing[through neon I believe] you can run the beta of 4.7
[05:00] <c2tarun> for more info you can ping guys in #project-neon
[05:02] <mr-rich> Ok, ugraded to Natty and kpackagekit (tray icon) is STILL missbehaving ... :(
[05:02] <c2tarun> mr-rich: what are they doing ;) they tray icons?
[05:03] <LINKSWORD2> They's BOUNCING! :D
[05:03] <c2tarun> really?? O_O
[05:03] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[05:03] <mr-rich> c2tarun: well, the update icon eats up all the fds that dbus has and sends dbus thrashing the cpu ...
[05:03] <darthanubis> does VLC cause freeze of kwin and 100% X ussage for anyone besides me?
[05:04]  * c2tarun that sounded geek :(
[05:04] <c2tarun> darthanubis: nope
[05:04] <mr-rich> darthanubis: kill kpackagekit icon and it will stip
[05:04] <mr-rich> stop
[05:04] <darthanubis> using a nvidia 8400gs card?
[05:05] <LINKSWORD2> OGAWD!!! Not that again...
[05:05] <darthanubis> kpackagekit icon is not running to be killed
[05:05] <mr-rich> darthanubis: run top in CLI and see what's eating the CPU ...
[05:05] <darthanubis> X
[05:05] <LINKSWORD2> :P I dunno, what's eating you?
[05:05] <mr-rich> darthanubis: not dbus?
[05:05] <c2tarun> darthanubis: or you can press ctrl+esc and see whats killing (both are equally good :))
[05:06] <LINKSWORD2> ... I'm sorry, my brain is in smartass mode tonight.
[05:06] <darthanubis> X prevents any key cmds for working
[05:07] <c2tarun> darthanubis: try ctrl+esc
[05:07] <mr-rich> darthanubis: are  you using free free drivers or vendor drivers?
[05:07] <darthanubis> nvidias
[05:07] <darthanubis> from th erepos
[05:07] <darthanubis> repos
[05:08] <mr-rich> darthanubis: so you ran the "get extra drivers" pgm?
[05:08] <darthanubis> yes
[05:08] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I've checked the digital clock settings, and I can't find any way to enlarge the font. Kubuntu 11.04 Natty.
[05:09] <c2tarun> LINKSWORD2: system settings> application appearance
[05:10] <LINKSWORD2> OK, I'll check that.
[05:11] <mr-rich> c2tarun: debus will behave for like 3-5 days, then I'll find the cpu pegged on high ...
[05:12] <mr-rich> c2tarun: I'll check the # of fds open and sure enough, it 1024 ...
[05:12] <LINKSWORD2> Thanks again, c2tarun
[05:12] <mr-rich> c2tarun: I kill the update icon (kpackagekit) and it dropes to ~100 or so ...
[05:13] <c2tarun> mr-rich: is you system fully updated?
[05:13] <mr-rich> fully ...
[05:13] <mr-rich> the only program I don't update is tvtime ...
[05:14] <LINKSWORD2> WTF is that? lol
[05:14] <mr-rich> The latest version of tvtime will crash on startup because of my usb camera ...
[05:14] <c2tarun> mr-rich: then I fear I cant help you. I am not able to think of anything that might causing that problem, hang around for a while, someone will surely reply :)
[05:14] <mr-rich> tvtime is a tv viewing program ...
[05:15] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[05:15] <mr-rich> c2tarun: the temp work around is to kill kpackagekit every couple of days ...
[05:15] <mr-rich> it respawns in a few minutes anyway ...
[05:16] <c2tarun> mr-rich: in that way you will not be able to get the benefits of autmatic update I guess
[05:16] <mr-rich> c2tarun: the icon respawns ...
[05:16] <mr-rich> always comes back ...
[05:17] <mr-rich> takes a few days to eat up all the fds and then hammers the CPU ...
[05:18] <mr-rich> beats rebooting every week ... :)
[05:18] <LINKSWORD2> ;p;
[05:18] <LINKSWORD2> lol*
[05:19] <LINKSWORD2> Well, all.... I'm signing off for the night.
[05:19] <LINKSWORD2> See ya'll later.
[05:21] <akis> hi. what do i have to do to remove from wallet the the access to network connections?
[05:45] <DarthFrog> Open the Wallet Manager and delete the wallet.  But if you do that, you'll have to enter your password each time.
[05:50] <akis> or if i disabled wallet manager?
[06:36] <c2tarun> well why do you have to do any such thing to access network connection? Can't you just access it directly?
[06:45] <frogonwheels> c2tarun: you have a password for wifi?
[06:45] <c2tarun> frogonwheels: ya
[06:46] <frogonwheels> c2tarun: well that's why you need access to the wallet.
[06:46] <frogonwheels> (for right or wrong)
[06:47] <c2tarun> frogonwheels: actually  I was referring to question of akis, he asked to remove the wallet, we can enter the password and acces network con. and if he dont have wallet password then I guess he cannot remove it as well.
[06:48] <frogonwheels> oh yeah sorry, so you were:)  akis ^^^^
[06:49] <c2tarun> frogonwheels: I dont think he is still here :(
[06:50] <frogonwheels> c2tarun: nope. not. :) oh wel
[07:32] <simion314> is kubuntu site down? ubuntu.com works but not kubuntu.org
[07:35] <Unit193> simion314: Unable to Connect?
[07:36] <simion314> Unit193: yes
[08:27] <romeus> hello :)
[08:31] <romeus> I recently installed kubuntu having been a ubuntu user for a while. I'm trying to configure KDE with the shortcuts I'm used to. I noticed that the Global Keyboard Shortcuts utility doesn't allow mouse and keyboard combinations e.g. control+shift+click to close a window, control+alt+click drag to free rotate cube. Is there any way to do this?
[08:33] <romeus> (I'd like to stick to Kwin, and not switch to compiz)
[09:05] <cousin_mario> hello
[09:06] <cousin_mario> is there a standard way to have kde/qt apps start minimised?
[09:12] <fayaz_> cousin_mario: my first guess is playing around with qdbus...
[09:13] <fayaz_> but i couldn't find anything useful there...
[09:13] <fayaz_> cousin_mario: try poking around in there. you might get lucky
[09:16] <orzel> hello. A friend of mine is trying to update from maverick to natty using the GUI. The computer is blocked on "Installing update : 93%" and has not done anything more for hours. I only have a ssh access to it. I dont dare rebooting
[09:16] <orzel> pstree shows there are processes such as : natty───dpkg───linux-image-2.6───sh───update-initramf───mkinitramfs───mkinitramfs─┬─awk
[09:16] <orzel> and modprobe (under mkinitramfs)
[09:16] <orzel> top shows nothing special
[09:17] <orzel>  /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log isn't touche since 1.5 hours ago
[09:18] <orzel> i've only done (successful) cli-only update using do-release-upgrade, so i'm a little bit stuck on this one
[09:20] <orzel> it seems the mkinitramfs is blocked. There is an empty file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic.new
[09:52] <shockrates> can someone upload the last version of kmess at ubuntu? (this one has network connection loss bug)
[09:52] <cousin_mario> fayaz: I'm not sure what that is...
[10:09] <shockrates> hey i get this
[10:10] <shockrates> sudo apt-get update
[10:10] <shockrates> E: Type 'src' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kmess-packages-kmess-stable-natty.list
[10:10] <shockrates> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[10:10] <shockrates> how do i fix it?\
[10:10] <FloodBotK1> shockrates: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:16] <fayaz> cousin_mario: qdbus? its a mechanism kde uses for ipc stuff...
[10:22] <cousin_mario> fayaz: Ok, I'm not very familiar with it.
[10:23] <cousin_mario> fayaz: I'm just trying to have a particular app start minimised.
[10:24] <fayaz> cousin_mario: qdbus command can be handy... just try it... the arguments are tabcompleted...
[10:28] <cousin_mario> fayaz: hmm, interesting
[10:30] <cousin_mario> fayaz: only it allows me to do everything but operate on the window gadgets
[11:16] <Gary-Stead> Hi !
[11:16] <Gary-Stead> I have a problem with Kubuntu : http://zupimages.net/up/0/1452279773.jpeg <= Screenshot
[11:16] <Gary-Stead> I don't know if you understand French :/
[11:19] <valorie> Gary-Stead: I see you get an error message, but do you still get sound?
[11:20] <Gary-Stead> valorie: In KDE no
[11:20] <Gary-Stead> valorie: Wait i try from other application
[11:20] <Gary-Stead> Ha >< I have a sound
[11:20] <Gary-Stead> But he is listen 1 time on 2
[11:20] <valorie> you might try #pulseaudio for more specific help
[11:21] <valorie> sorry, I'm off to bed
[11:21] <Gary-Stead> :/ Ok
[11:21] <mongrelp> test
[11:41] <Wulong> Are there anything like gnome-do for KDE? there was katapult in the old days.
[11:52] <namekcin> hello, how can i create split archive using 7z? maybe with Ark?
[11:52] <cousin_mario> bbl
[12:03] <BenceF> hi! is 11.04 a LTS release?
[12:04] <simion314> BenceF: no
[12:04] <BenceF> simion314: whats the release cycle for LTS releases in kubuntu?
[12:05] <simion314> 10.04 is LTS and 12.04 will be a LTS
[12:05] <BenceF> so its every two years then
[12:05] <simion314> BenceF: there are 2 years between 2 LTS
[12:05] <simion314> BenceF: yes
[12:05] <BenceF> ok
[12:07] <BenceF> thanks
[12:07] <BenceF> is there a way to upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04 directly?
[12:11] <Chronix> o.o
[12:11] <Chronix> anyone alive
[12:11] <Chronix> #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:11] <Chronix> ops
[12:12] <jacobw> cogito ergo sum
[12:12] <Chronix> lol
[12:13] <Chronix> how you you say that in english
[12:13] <Chronix> "i think so i am"?
[12:13] <BenceF> therefor
[12:19] <jacobw> yeah :)
[12:19] <jacobw> rene decartes ftw
[12:27] <Chronix> so is there anyone who programs in c++ here? what compiler do you use?
[12:28] <jacobw> g++
[12:29] <christophe> kubuntu
[12:33] <jacobw> heh
[12:33] <jacobw> Chronix:, are you learning C++ ?
[12:33] <Chronix> i kinda know the basics already but i have been programming on windows
[12:34] <Chronix> and i just switched to kubuntu yesterday
[12:34] <Chronix> and its my first time i use linux more than a day
[12:34] <Chronix> :P
[12:34] <Chronix> i dont plan on going back to windows anytime soon
[12:34] <Chronix> i was using visual studio i thought of using codeblocks as it looks similar and isnt bad
[12:37] <jacobw> kdevelop is the c/c++ ide included with KDE SC
[12:37] <jacobw> it does many other languages too
[12:38] <Chronix> i dont wanna think about other languages right now.. i mainly plan to develop games and i wish to try and get them cross platform
[12:39] <jacobw> compilers and IDEs are different
[12:40] <jacobw> visual studio is not a compiler, neither is kdevelop
[12:40] <Chronix> well i know its an ide
[12:40] <Chronix> i was just taking it general
[12:40] <Chronix> ly
[12:40] <Chronix> speaking
[12:40] <FloodBotK1> Chronix: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:41] <Chronix> i think ill probably use codeblocks as i like it.. but i wonder if its worth it
[12:41] <Chronix> i mean, if its good
[12:49] <ShorTie> i upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04, now all i get is a black screen .. :(~
[12:50] <jacobw> ShorTie: does pressing ctrl+alt+f2 take you to a terminal login?
[12:51] <ShorTie> ya, can get to netroot in recovery
[12:57] <jacobw> Chronix: i use vim to write code and compile it with g++
[12:57] <jacobw> Chronix: i think learning the language is the most important thing, the program you use to write the code is mostly irrelevent
[12:57] <ShorTie> is there a boot log somewhere i can look at?
[12:58] <Chronix> i have followed almost every video from antiRTFM on youtube
[12:58] <Chronix> i think ill just make an advanced text rpg and probably once i finish it ill move on to SDL
[13:03] <jacobw> i haven't heard of antirtfm before
[13:04] <Chronix> http://www.youtube.com/antiRTFM
[13:05] <Chronix> he covers most things about basics
[13:10] <jacobw> i think i prefer books to videos
[13:11] <Chronix> what books do you suggest
[13:12] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[13:12] <Tm_T> just a kind reminder ^
[13:12] <Chronix> im already on that channel
[13:13] <jacobw> i've never learnt C++ so i ca't really comment on C++, but i found 'The C Programming Language' great for learning C
[13:13] <c2tarun_> anyone here using tata photon+ on kubuntu?
[13:17] <jacobw> Chronix: #c++ will have a lot to say about learning c++
[13:17] <Chronix> thank you jacobw :P
[13:37] <mellin> Morning. My wireless connection automatically disconnects when the screen locks, or I close my laptop lid. How do I change this behaviour?
[14:06] <soee> is there any chance that we see KDE 4.7b in Kubuntu repos soon ?
[14:16] <takoski> Hi
[14:17] <takoski> whats channel Ubuntu italy?
[14:21] <OerHeks> !it | takoski
[14:22] <takoski> Hi i have a problem for Xdcc send
[14:22] <takoski> i use ubuntu 11.04 and konversation
[14:23] <takoski> program tell me Sorry, this command is unsupported
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:28] <takoski> ?
[14:28] <takoski> Hi i have a problem for Xdcc send
[14:28] <takoski> program tell me Sorry, this command is unsupported
[14:28] <FloodBotK1> takoski: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:46] <aliengod> oin #ubuntu.hu
[14:54] <dsaintz> hello
[15:04] <cousin_mario> hello
[15:04] <cousin_mario> what's the recommended multimedia plugin to use with firefox?
[15:08] <dan_l> cousin_mario:  for what type of mulimedia?
[15:09] <cousin_mario> dan_l: wmv, avi, mpg...
[15:09] <dan_l> cousin_mario:  that stuff isn't working out of the box for you?
[15:09] <cousin_mario> dan_l: not really
[15:10] <cousin_mario> dan_l: what plugin are you using, in case it does for you?
[15:10] <dan_l> vlc multimedia plugin
[15:10] <dan_l> but that might be because I have VLC installed
[15:15] <cousin_mario> dan_l: that was my choice as well, but it doesn't appear to be working:/
[15:15] <dan_l> send me a link to what isn't working?
[15:15] <cousin_mario> oh, wait, I had another plugin installed as well
[15:16] <cousin_mario> trying again
[15:19] <cousin_mario> dan_l: found a link that won't work, but it's not exactly SFW
[15:19] <dan_l> I'm not exactly at work.
[15:19] <dan_l> you can pm it over
[15:20] <cousin_mario> dan_l: err, is there anything I can do to debug it in place?:)
[15:21] <dan_l> There are occasional problems with websites that are off the interwebz beaten path.   Perhaps go here and identify where exactly the problem is:  http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~argyle/browser_plugin_test.html
[15:22] <dan_l> but come on man, it's 9:30 am.  Pr0n already?  :)
[15:22] <cousin_mario> it's 16:22 for me:)
[15:24] <cousin_mario> dan_l: the mpg test page is not opening:/
[15:25] <cousin_mario> any chance it's geoip limited?
[15:25] <dan_l> http://www.archive.org/details/test-mpeg
[15:25] <dan_l> try that?
[15:26] <mr-rich> dan_l: do you live in East Canada?
[15:27] <dan_l> mr-rich, are you calling me french?
[15:27] <dan_l> No.  I'm from Chicago.
[15:27] <mr-rich> aha ...
[15:27] <cousin_mario> dan_l: that crashes as well
[15:27] <dan_l> It's a small town near a big lake.  Why do you ask?
[15:27] <mr-rich> wrong direction ...
[15:27] <dan_l> cousin_mario, so it loads the page and crashes out on you?
[15:28] <cousin_mario> dan_l: it crashes when I click the link
[15:28] <mr-rich> it's 10:30 here ...
[15:28] <cousin_mario> the .mpg file, that is
[15:28] <dan_l> the browser crashes on you?
[15:28] <cousin_mario> yes
[15:28] <dan_l> ffx4 on natty?
[15:29] <cousin_mario> rightio
[15:29] <DarkriftX> whats the best way to see which nvidia driver im using?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> DarkriftX, in the kmenu > apps> settings
[15:31] <DarkriftX> nvidia settings shows me "270.41.06" but the drivers have numbers lke 96, 173 and 185
[15:32] <dan_l> cousin_mario:  does vlc otherwise work for you?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> DarkriftX, those are drivers for older Kubuntu Versions
[15:32] <cousin_mario> dan_l: yes, it can play the same files if downloaded separately
[15:33] <BluesKaj> if you are using 11.04 then the 270 driver is the correct one , DarkriftX
[15:33] <DarkriftX> ok
[15:33] <DarkriftX> thanks
[15:33] <dan_l> cousin_mario:  x64?
[15:33] <cousin_mario> dan_l: yes
[15:34] <cousin_mario> dan_l: /usr/lib/firefox-4.0.1/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libvlcplugin.so: undefined symbol: NPP_Initialize <- this is what comes out in the console on crash
[15:36] <dan_l> have a look at this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/722690
[15:36] <dan_l> there doesn't appear to be a suggested solution
[15:37] <dan_l> but, I would think you could uninstall vlc and see what else happens
[15:37] <dan_l> I'm not sure why this isn't happening to me.
[15:37] <dan_l> Maybe because I have medibuntu?
[15:37] <dan_l> brb
[15:37] <cousin_mario> I have medibuntu as well
[15:40]  * cousin_mario can't help the feeling of having stepped into a powder keg since installing natty.
[15:42] <DarkriftX> its always like that at first
[15:43] <DarkriftX> thats why i normally wait 1-4 weeks. lets everyone in here figure all the hard stuff out so i can beg for help :P
[15:44] <cousin_mario> DarkriftX: if only 4 weeks sufficed:P
[15:44] <DarkriftX> meh, it helps a lot, trust me
[16:16] <cousin_mario> I think I've tried every possible media player and none seems to be working as well as totem.
[16:59] <dmtarmey> does anyone know of a good alternative to cheese as it dosnt seem to work on my machine very well
[17:09] <wn1zid> camorama
[17:16] <dmtarmey> cheers wn1zid how do i install it pls
[17:19] <wn1zid> I've never used it, but i know its a pain to install, maybe some one here knows
[17:29] <DarthFrog> wn1zid: What's wrong with "sudo apt-get install camorama"?
[17:30] <wn1zid> well, from googling, there seem to be some issues on installing it in kubuntu, like i said, I've never used it in kubuntu so i don't know.
[17:54] <ilias> what is the best program to see tv in kubuntu?
[17:56] <fosstux> Hi! I have massive problems setting up my Logitech Bluetooth mouse M555B on 11.04. I cannot connect my laptop with this mouse - What am I doing wrong????
[17:58] <DarthFrog> ilias: I use MythTV.
[17:59] <ilias> is installable with sudo apt-get install command?
[18:01] <DarthFrog> ilias: Yes.  But I suggest you go to http://www.mythtv..org first to find out if it's what you want.
[18:02] <DarthFrog> !mythtv | ilias
[18:03] <DarthFrog> It's very well supported.  And extremely capable.  But not simple. :-)
[18:04] <ilias> is it running in 10.04 as well?
[18:05] <DarthFrog> Yes.  There's also an Ubuntu version based on it:  Mythbuntu.
[18:06] <ilias> ok thanks. for scanners what software do you suggest?
[18:07] <DarthFrog> Image scanners?  XSane.
[18:08] <ilias> is it installable trough terminal?
[18:08] <DarthFrog> Though there is a native KDE scanning program.  Can't remember what it's called, haven't looked at it in a long time but I remember thinking that XSane was head and shoulders above it.  I think it's name might be Kooka or something like that.
[18:09] <DarthFrog> try "apt-cache search <package name or search term>" to find out what's available to install.
[18:14] <ilias> i am using in my desktop suse 11.2 and there are pre-installed 2 programs, i dont remember know their names and i am using only the 1 of them. xsane looks better. i am asking all these besause i am running in my notebook 10.04 and is very light and fast although my notebook is 5 years old (1,5 ghz+750 mb ram) so i i am considering to installe 10.04 to my desktop too (2,2 dula core + 1gb ram). in my desktop they are connected a usb tv card and an old hp
[18:14] <ilias> scanmachine plus a usb samsung printer. all these devices are running very well under 11.2. Are you sure 10.04 would revognze them and install the apropriate drivers?
[18:15] <DarthFrog> Am I sure?  Of course not.  I've never even seen your hardware. :-)
[18:16] <DarthFrog> ilias: Remember: Answers are $1, correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free. :-)
[18:16] <DarthFrog> You're getting it free, here. :-)
[18:16] <ilias> yea ok. sure is not the appropriate word. have you the opinion or the hope that 10.04 can do it?
[18:17] <DarthFrog> I would expect so.  If your hardware is supported in Linux, I would expect that Ubuntu will be able to use it.
[18:17] <ilias> i know very well all these. i am old enough in linux users' community.
[18:18] <DarthFrog> 10.04 is only 1 year old, after all.
[18:18] <DarthFrog> Plug your USB scanner in and see what happens.  It probably won't blow up and catch fire. :-)
[18:19] <ilias> ok. that is an advantage. because both my tv card and my scanner they have been recognized from older versions of use (10+).
[18:19] <wn1zid> lol
[18:20] <wn1zid> spending the few extra bucks for more ram sure makes things easier on your system.
[18:20] <ilias> as kinfocenter is not pre-installed in 10.04 how can i check running live cd if the system can "see" my usb tv card?
[18:21] <DarthFrog> wn1zid: And on your patience.  While patience may be a virtue, the necessity for patience is a PITA.
[18:21] <DarthFrog> ilias:  Use the "lsusb" command.  Try "lsusb -v | less".
[18:22] <ilias> this command will show every usb device plugged on my system?
[18:23] <DarthFrog> If it isn't listed in the output, your system doesn't know about it.
[18:25] <DarthFrog> W00t!  The next kernel will be 3.0. :-)
[18:25] <ilias> very helpful indeed. thanks. what do you think is better to choise 10.04 or 11.04?
[18:25] <cousin_mario> ilias: avoid 11.04 like the plague
[18:25] <ilias> i am running already as i have mentioned above 10.04
[18:25] <wn1zid> if they keep unity, ill go debian.
[18:26] <cousin_mario> wn1zid: it's not like gnome 3 is much better...
[18:26] <wn1zid> it will get better, they always fix the bugs
[18:26] <cousin_mario> it's not about bugs
[18:26] <wn1zid> but unity, forget it
[18:26] <ilias> @cousin...plague!!!
[18:26] <DarthFrog> ilias: I can't give you a firm answer to that.  I run 10.04 on one machine because that's the last version that I can get the Loki version of Alpha Centauri to work properly.  My main machine is 11.04 and works fine.  10.04 is best for folks who just want to use their machine and not tinker with it.
[18:26] <ilias> 10.04 is ok.
[18:27] <DarthFrog> Loki's Alpha Centauri runs fine in 11.04, but I can't get sound to work. :-(   It's my favourite game.
[18:27]  * DarthFrog is old school.
[18:28] <ilias> 10.04 is very fast and stable. and with chrome on it is extremely fast for internet's browsing. i recommend it with any doubt.
[18:28] <DarthFrog> It's also a LTS version.
[18:29] <ilias> i can say that my older notebook with 10.04 and chrome is faster than my newer desktop with dual core running suse 11.2 and ff.
[18:30] <ilias> i am running 10.04 lts actually. is this better than palin 10.04?
[18:30] <ilias> i am running 10.04 lts actually. is this better than plain 10.04?
[18:30] <cousin_mario> 10.04 *is* a LTS version
[18:31] <DarthFrog> ilias: `They're one and the same.
[18:31] <ilias> ok. ic.
[18:31] <cousin_mario> ilias: stick with it, natty is beta quality at best
[18:33] <ilias> well i try it tommorow on my desktop and i ihave probls i join this forum, to help me. i hope it will see my tv card and my scanner too. i think is very simple to do it.
[18:46] <jacobw> i can't seek to a position in the audio file in amarok?
[18:46] <cousin_mario> bbl
[18:46] <jacobw> the file is an mp3, is this a known problem with the gstreamer codecs?
[18:48] <wn1zid> it wont play any mp3's ??
[18:49] <jacobw> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237298
[18:49] <jacobw> that is the issue i'm having, it turns out that i answered my own question quite well :D
[18:49] <wn1zid> ya
[18:57] <Karen> hi all can anyone help me with my ubuntu error?
[18:58] <Karen> hey anyone here?
[18:59] <Karen> anyone  live here? or all bots?
[18:59] <DarthFrog> !ask
[18:59] <Torch> All bots
[19:00] <Karen> ok thank u
[19:00] <Karen> hi
[19:00] <Karen> i have a problem like this
[19:01] <Karen> i have 2 operating systems Windows 7 and ubuntu but now it bring me a problem , its all in black and one line GRUB RESCUE  i have many files in my windows desktop can u said me how can i but to my windows and take all from there?
[19:02] <DarthFrog> Umm, your English is somewhat hard to understand.  What's black and what does "but to my windows" mean?
[19:02] <Karen> can u help me with that DarthFrog?
[19:03] <DarthFrog> "but" = boot?
[19:03] <Karen> DarthFrog yes sorry for that i am not good in english
[19:03] <DarthFrog> What is your native language?
[19:03] <Karen> i can speak russian or armenian
[19:04] <DarthFrog> You could try #ubuntu-ru and ask in Russian.
[19:04] <DarthFrog> !ru
[19:04] <Karen> thank u now i will try
[19:04] <DarthFrog> Good luck.
[19:04] <Karen> thank u
[19:14] <jarle> is there some generic x-init files, in ~/ that I can put my startup scripts in that will work no matter which desktop I choose to run?
[19:16] <jarle> I think .xinitrc is only run if using startx, not when using kdm?
[19:40] <Monika> After upgrading my husband's netbook to Kubuntu 11.04, KDE does not start by itself anymore. Instead when selecting KDE Plasma Desktop only a console starts in the top left corner, without window decoration. When I type startkde into it, KDE starts normally. The /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop file looks alright. What can I do to fix this?
[19:41] <melkor> Is there an easy way to clear recent documents?
[19:41] <Monika> In the K menu? Right-click.
[19:42] <Monika> There you have the options "Clear recent programs" and "Clear recent documents"
[19:42] <melkor> okay Ill try it.
[19:44] <melkor> I don't see any option to clear documents when I right click on the K menu.
[19:48] <melkor> Its really odd that there isn't a convenient way to clear recent documents.
[19:49] <Monika> melkor in the K menu on the tab with the recent items
[19:49] <Monika> right-click there
[19:49] <Monika> do not right-click on the K
[19:50] <melkor> okay, I actually have to do it on the documents.  I was doing it on the Recent tab and I did not get the option to clear.
[19:51] <Monika> ah, yeah
[19:51] <Monika> that's a bit confusing
[20:29] <GRWCHo> hey ... dose anyone have an ETA on KDE 4.7 beta on kubuntu.
[20:32] <Monika> What's an ETA?
[20:32] <GRWCHo> Estimated Time of Arrivel :)
[20:33] <GRWCHo> when will it be available ... in the beta PPA ?
[20:33] <GRWCHo> anyone ?
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> GRWCHo: It's been talked about. I don't have a good ETA though.
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> hey LINKSWORD2
[20:34] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings.
[20:35] <GRWCHo> DarkwingDuck:  will it be released in the due release date ie. 25.07.2011 ?
[20:38] <DarkwingDuck> GRWCHo: I think that will come up in our next meeting... We are going to be going over specs then.
[20:39] <DarkwingDuck> GRWCHo: and I should have a better answer after that.
[20:40] <DarkwingDuck> GRWCHo: I would expect to see it around Beta2 for the Oneiric 11.10 cycle
[20:41] <kubuntunoob> hi all
[20:42] <DarkwingDuck> GRWCHo: For a Oneiric 11.10 timeline you can refer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[20:42] <GRWCHo> DarkwingDuck: 10x
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> GRWCHo: ??
[20:43] <ckDev> Hi guys. Just got my new Lenovo Thinkpad W520 and i fail to install 11.04, and 10.4.2 LTS, anyone had the same probs
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> ckDev: What fails? It's works 100% on my ThinkPad W700
[20:45] <ckDev> with 11.04 I get to the blue install screen, where I select the language and the start the live cd. It just keeps hanging at that stage after presssing enter
[20:46] <ckDev> with 10.04 I have not (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[20:46] <ckDev> I have now: initramfs.....
[20:47] <GRWCHo> DarkwingDuck: i said thanks :(10=ten+X)
[20:47] <ckDev> DarkwingDuck: are you on 11.04?
[20:47] <DarkwingDuck> I caught that right after I hit the ?? LOL
[20:47] <DarkwingDuck> ckDev: have you tried the alt installer/
[20:47] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> i'm not sure why it's hanging but, I have not used a liveCD in a very very long time.
[20:48] <ckDev> DarkingDuck: nope, thats actually a good idea.
[20:48] <ShorTie> did you check the cd
[20:49] <ckDev> ShorTie: Yes, did, tried using USB sticks and CDs, several times. Downloading the alternate cd now, probably best bet.
[20:50] <DarkwingDuck> ckDev: I would assume so... Also, do you use hardware RAID?
[20:50] <ckDev> DarkwinDuck: no Raid. So you installed 11.04?
[20:51] <DarkwingDuck> ckDev: Yup, no issues.
[20:52] <DarkwingDuck> Well, aside from the annoying nVidia stuff
[20:53] <ckDev> downloading now, will see how it goes
[20:59] <Guest47834> .
[20:59] <Guest47834> hum
[21:02] <sourav7mishra> I just messed with the panel at the bottom of my desktop..I am no longer getting the list of applications opened in a desktop..and all the visible/invisible icons have come to the right.. how can I fix this..
[21:03] <DarkwingDuck> sourav7mishra: 1) Remove the panel 2) Right click desktop and unlock widgets 3) right click desktop Add Panel > Default Panel
[21:03] <DarkwingDuck> This will restore the default panel
[21:10] <sourav7mishra> @DarkwingDuck, when I right click @ the desktop, I get the 'Lock Widgets' option..!
[21:12] <sourav7mishra> DarkwingDuck: when I right click @ the desktop, I get the 'Lock Widgets' option..!
[21:13] <montfras> soura7mishra: that means they are already unlocked, proceed with the next step
[21:14] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a way to be notified if Caps Lock, Num Lock, etc. is on?
[21:15] <DarkwingDuck> Most keyboards/laptops have a light...
[21:16] <DarkwingDuck> But, for those that don't I'm sure it wouldn't be a large python script to detect it.
[21:16] <LINKSWORD2> Well, my keyboard does not. I need an alert or something.
[21:17] <DarkwingDuck> I know know of anything off the top of my head though.
[21:17] <LINKSWORD2> BRB
[21:19] <sithlord48> can anyone help me create a .desktop file that is a link to sh "path of .desktop"/install/script.sh . it seams that sh loses the path of the .desktop file
[21:20] <tsimpson> you can't get the location of the .desktop file from within it
[21:21] <montfras> LINKSWORD2: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KeyLeds+Plasmoid?content=136203
[21:21] <tsimpson> montfras: he left
[21:21] <sithlord48> im trying to create a portable installer  the script runs but for ease i want to lanch it via a .desktop file do u know of a way to do this ?
[21:21] <montfras> great :p
[21:22] <tsimpson> sithlord48: don't bother with the .desktop file? ;)
[21:23] <tsimpson> besides, scripts usually want a terminal to run in, which .desktop files don't provide
[21:23] <sithlord48> this script is all kdialog stuff
[21:23] <montfras> sithlord48: right click in a folder should give you the option to make a shortcut to a program
[21:24] <tsimpson> montfras: his issue is that the location to "the program" isn't known
[21:24] <sithlord48> the main issues is the folder needs to be portable as its an installer for a program
[21:24] <montfras> if it is in the same package you can use a symbolic path
[21:25] <tsimpson> sithlord48: just have the script executable, I haven't seen a DE where you can't just double-click a .sh and have it run
[21:25] <montfras> and include a README with instructions incase it's not possible
[21:26] <montfras> automatic installation is considered rude in some ocasions
[21:27] <sithlord48> tsimpson:  my only consern is that the file will lose the =X
[21:27] <tsimpson> not if you put it in a .tar
[21:28] <sithlord48> will be .tar.gz
[21:28] <tsimpson> then permissions are stored along with the files
[21:28] <c2tarun> I am facing a weird problem, I bought a mobile broadband data card today, when I am plugging it I am getting connection option, I am able to connect it and use it, but on disconnecting I can see two n-m icons in tray icons and none of my applications work on disconnecting.
[21:28] <sithlord48> well then i guess i don't need the .desktop at all
[21:29] <c2tarun> + when I reboot my kernel freez on kubuntu splash screen and then I have to manually reboot and then it starts, why is it happening?
[21:33] <akshay2000> Hello.
[21:34] <Monika> After upgrading my husband's netbook to Kubuntu 11.04 / KDE 4.6.2, KDE/Plasma does not start by itself anymore. Instead when selecting "KDE Plasma Desktop" as the session type only a console starts in the top left corner, without window decoration. When I type startkde into it, KDE starts normally. The /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop file looks alright. Any ideas how to fix this?
[21:38] <sithlord48> tsimpson: ah i think i found my issue. im testing on my computer and transporting to another one via usb stick when i copy the folder (as a folder) to the stick it loses isExecutiable (no +x from /media allowed?)
[21:39] <tsimpson> yeah, usually everything mounted in /media has +x removed
[21:45] <SMOSA> hola
[22:11] <jumanji> hello :D
[22:14] <Nardel> hello world
[22:15] <frodo> most are sleeping
[22:45] <andreb> hi all
[22:45] <andreb> has anyone done bind in chroot ? on buntu 10.04 ?
[22:49] <giantpune> hi boys.  i have gotten used to the gnome DE and have recently made the switch to KDE.  there are a couple things im trying to figure out and im hoping somebody can help me
[22:51] <giantpune> first, i cant figure out how to use KDE to open a program and pass something via argv.  for example, in gnome, windows,and OSX, you can drag a file onto some program and it will open that program and pass the filename as argv[ 1 ].  does KDE not support this?
[22:52] <LINKSWORD2> Well, that was fun.
[22:53] <LINKSWORD2> I installed Avant Window Navigator and got a message that my computer did not have the hardware required to run Unity with AWN.
[22:53] <LINKSWORD2> After removing AWN and restarting, my computer is still showing the Ubuntu classic layout & interface. How can I fix this?
[22:55] <giantpune> and second, when you drag a file into the terminal in gnome, it copies the filename and puts a space after the name. in kubuntu, i can drag a file into the terminal, but i dont see how to have it automatically put the space after the filename.  does anybody know of a way to do this?
[23:04] <Mausschubser> hello, strigi doesn't run on my system even when the tick is put
[23:04] <Mausschubser> but nepomuk does
[23:05] <Mausschubser> I can't find an answer on ubuntuusers.de
[23:14] <Mausschubser> there is to be a test
[23:14] <Mausschubser> to check strig and stuff
[23:15] <Mausschubser> strigi
[23:16] <Mausschubser> apachelogger: hallo
[23:17] <Mausschubser> good night
[23:38] <Newbiathon> how do i connect to irc using quassel with ssl encryption?
[23:39] <Newbiathon> anyone have the time to explain?
[23:40] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: i ll have some time in few minuts
[23:42] <Newbiathon> k thank u Ddpbf
[23:43] <Ddpbf> just to install quassel
[23:43] <Ddpbf> :>
[23:43] <Ddpbf> why you dont use konversation?
[23:46] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: are you here?
[23:46] <Ddpbf> go to file -> networks->configure network
[23:47] <Ddpbf> and check in ssl
[23:48] <Newbiathon_> hey
[23:48] <Newbiathon_> sorry im new to kubuntu and don't know where my quassel client minimized to
[23:48] <Newbiathon_> lol
[23:48] <Newbiathon_> my name fits eh?
[23:49] <Ddpbf> it minimizied in systemtray
[23:49] <Ddpbf> there is two of you
[23:49] <Ddpbf> :)
[23:50] <Newbiathon> oh ok found it
[23:51] <Newbiathon> ill ditch one
[23:52] <Newbiathon> is quassel a good irc client?
[23:52] <rww> yes
[23:52] <Ddpbf> yes
[23:52] <Newbiathon> or should i get xchat or something?
[23:52] <Newbiathon> ok
[23:52] <Ddpbf> it is complicated
[23:52] <Ddpbf> but good
[23:52] <Newbiathon> so to do the ssl connection for security
[23:52] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: better use konvesation
[23:52] <Ddpbf> it is also kde programm
[23:52] <Ddpbf> it si more friendly
[23:53] <Newbiathon> i know all the old school irc commands
[23:53] <Newbiathon> setting alias and all
[23:53] <Newbiathon> just not familiar with kubuntu yet
[23:53] <Newbiathon> so ssl is like using a proxy kind of?
[23:54] <Newbiathon> connecting through another pc"?
[23:54] <Ddpbf> secret security layer
[23:54] <Newbiathon> not sure what secure socket layer actually does
[23:55] <Ddpbf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Sockets_Layer
[23:55] <DeltaEpsilon> are there going to be kde 4.7 beta packages in the repo?
[23:58] <Ddpbf> Newbiathon: did you tied to connect
[23:58] <Ddpbf> with ssl?