| Ian_Corne | oh :p | 00:06 |
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| BUGabundo2 | tottaly staleld | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo2 | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo2 | trying to re-run it | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo2 | *if* quit works | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo2 | which it doesnt either | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo2 | rebooting | 00:11 |
| CarlFK | why is acpiphp only included in VM kernel packages? (from what I gather reading Bug #364916 and linked bugs | 00:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 364916 in linux (Ubuntu Jaunty) "When running Ubuntu as an Eucalyptus VM instance, module acpiphp is not available to be loaded, complicating the use EBS volume" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364916 | 00:47 |
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| cwillu | how do you dpkg-buildpackage a debug version (of compiz, in this case)? | 04:13 |
| cwillu | export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip noopt"? | 04:14 |
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| thegoodcushion | what's the current state of play regarding GNOME in 11.10? Will it still be present? | 12:03 |
| thegoodcushion | Currently I am using 11.04 with Classic desktop | 12:03 |
| vega- | last i heard was "no gnome in 11.10" .. | 12:04 |
| vega- | or read, from somewhere | 12:04 |
| cwillu_at_work | thegoodcushion, I believe mint is planning on staying with classic, although whether they have the manpower to actually support it is another matter | 12:05 |
| cwillu_at_work | it might be time to migrate to kde :( | 12:05 |
| cwillu_at_work | or perhaps xfce | 12:05 |
| thegoodcushion | nah | 12:07 |
| thegoodcushion | migrate to debian, more likely | 12:07 |
| ior3k | gnome 3 is already in oneiric, afaik | 12:07 |
| ior3k | and you can use it in "classic" mode by using the "failsafe" mode, iirc | 12:08 |
| thegoodcushion | so is it GNOME 3 or Unity? | 12:08 |
| cwillu_at_work | if only any of these fancy new desktop environments had a decent workflow for those of us with giant and/or multiple monitors | 12:08 |
| ior3k | I think you can opt for either one | 12:08 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: tried xmonad, or any of the tiling wms? | 12:33 |
| cwillu_at_work | ior3k, yeah, not remotely useful for me :p | 12:33 |
| cwillu_at_work | I make heavy use of overlapping windows | 12:34 |
| cwillu_at_work | and they make that too hard to do | 12:34 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: care to explain why? | 12:34 |
| ior3k | not that it's my business | 12:34 |
| cwillu_at_work | ? | 12:34 |
| cwillu_at_work | I just did? :p | 12:34 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: why do you make heavy use of overlapping windows | 12:34 |
| ior3k | ? | 12:35 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: xmonad has several layouts that allow for overlapping windows (I mention xmonad because that's what I use, I suppose other tiling WMs have that too) | 12:36 |
| cwillu_at_work | lots of windows are streaming updates of some sort; it's kinda like a reverse roll-up, where you can see and interact with almost all of them at the same time, and instantly get the full backlog with a click | 12:36 |
| cwillu_at_work | xmonad got on my bad side when it rearranged (obviously) 40 windows, and then didn't put them back where it found them when I exited | 12:36 |
| ior3k | hehe | 12:37 |
| cwillu_at_work | resizing 40 windows back to a reasonable size isn't fun | 12:37 |
| cwillu_at_work | and I've _never_ had a desire to have a single tiny little square, let alone 40 of them | 12:37 |
| cwillu_at_work | (that's what the expose thingie is for :p) | 12:37 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: you could have just chosen another layout, and it would have resized the windows to a more manageable state (using M-Enter) | 12:38 |
| cwillu_at_work | it's sad, because in principle I like the concept, but the conceit of "stop using your mouse" is just sillyness | 12:38 |
| cwillu_at_work | ior3k, coulda shoulda woulda | 12:38 |
| cwillu_at_work | the out of the box experience was crap | 12:38 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: well, not trying to push xmonad at you, my point is that sometimes we need to fight that initial impulse to put things away right away | 12:39 |
| cwillu_at_work | ior3k, I'm well aware of that, but it doesn't bring anything I want | 12:39 |
| cwillu_at_work | it may be _as good_ as my current approach, if I try it for a week or two :p | 12:39 |
| cwillu_at_work | and that's simply not worth my time | 12:39 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: oh well, good luck finding something that better fits you then :) | 12:40 |
| cwillu_at_work | (note that my current approach requires a patched gnome-panel in order to not go buggy when you put up a couple nice wide side panels for the window list | 12:40 |
| cwillu_at_work | ior3k, that's what bugs me about the whole unity/gnome-shell/stop-using-gnome-panel-it's-so-90's thing | 12:40 |
| cwillu_at_work | because it works fine for this, and there's no compelling alternatives to switch to, certainly not the new bling :) | 12:41 |
| cwillu_at_work | (don't get me wrong, unity is great on my netbook) | 12:41 |
| cwillu_at_work | (even on my bigger laptop before it got stolen) | 12:41 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: I'd definitely say there *seems* to be a problem with your approach, but I can't say for sure until I'd know more | 12:41 |
| ior3k | too many windows :) | 12:42 |
| ior3k | seems confusing | 12:42 |
| cwillu_at_work | ior3k, I'm going to be blunt: it's arrogant of you to presume you know something is wrong with y workflow :p | 12:42 |
| cwillu_at_work | s/y/my/ | 12:42 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: sure, that's why I said *seems* | 12:42 |
| cwillu_at_work | no, that's the arrogant part :) | 12:42 |
| cwillu_at_work | you see somebody doing something unfamiliar, and can't imagine how they can live through it | 12:43 |
| cwillu_at_work | I quite understand that xmonad works well for those who use it | 12:43 |
| ior3k | well, I apologize, then, it was not my intention | 12:43 |
| ior3k | I guess I like to find ways to simplify things, and assume those ways exist | 12:43 |
| ior3k | which of course may not always be the case | 12:44 |
| cwillu_at_work | fair enough | 12:44 |
| cwillu_at_work | I'm not claiming this is optimal | 12:44 |
| cwillu_at_work | I'm merely claiming that it's a local maxima | 12:44 |
| cwillu_at_work | and the peaks I can see on the horizon don't seem to be any higher :p | 12:44 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: well, if you ever change your mind and want to know if xmonad can help you there, feel free to ping me | 12:45 |
| ior3k | not that I get anything from it except the thrill of maybe helping someone solve a problem :) | 12:45 |
| cwillu_at_work | ior3k, my copious free time will eventually be spent writing an actually sane (for my purposes) window manager :p | 12:45 |
| ior3k | if indeed it can be solved | 12:45 |
| ior3k | cwillu_at_work: best of luck with that | 12:46 |
| * cwillu_at_work looks for an incompetent compiler writer to stab | 12:55 | |
| cwillu_at_work | they implemented \ escaping in strings, but then they _include_ the backslash in the final string, in addition to whatever you quoted | 12:56 |
| cwillu_at_work | (so \n gives you a backslash, followed by a newline) | 12:56 |
| axscode | http://pastebin.com/d9VcZzeh <-- guys any help.. | 13:50 |
| penguin42 | sorry, haven't seen that one | 13:54 |
| axscode | just upgraded | 13:55 |
| axscode | from 11.04 to 11.10 though there's a problem | 13:55 |
| axscode | i rebooted and still partial upgrade, when click partial upgrade it shows that error | 13:55 |
| russjr08 | Hey guys, what's the best way to install Ubuntu 11.10? Daily Build, Change Sources.list in Natty, or update-manager -d? | 17:13 |
| penguin42 | update-maanger -d broke badly for me in a 2d setup | 17:13 |
| CarlFK | gcc -lrt async-test.c - compiles fine under natty, errors in oneiric: http://dpaste.com/548292/ | 17:14 |
| penguin42 | CarlFK: Try moving the -lt to the end | 17:15 |
| CarlFK | penguin42: that works. thanks. | 17:16 |
| penguin42 | CarlFK: Are you sure that works in Natty? I thought that change happened between Maverick and Natty | 17:16 |
| CarlFK | yep: Codename:natty | 17:17 |
| penguin42 | hmm ok | 17:17 |
| charlie-tca | russjr08: support for Oneiric is in #ubuntu+1, this early, update manager never works. | 17:18 |
| russjr08 | charlie-tca, I thought I was in #ubuntu+1 | 17:18 |
| charlie-tca | oops | 17:18 |
| charlie-tca | my fault | 17:18 |
| russjr08 | lol | 17:18 |
| russjr08 | I thought I was going crazy | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | You usually have to change sources.lk | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | let me try again, then | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | you usually have to change sources.list and comment out all non-official repositories, including ppa's | 17:19 |
| russjr08 | So then I should change sources.list and then do a sudo apt-get upgrade? | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | then you do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and keep praying | 17:20 |
| russjr08 | Ok, thanks! | 17:20 |
| charlie-tca | apt-get upgrade won't do it | 17:20 |
| penguin42 | charlie-tca: do-release-upgrade -d did try and upgrade it and do everything - I think it's the end result that's broken not the process | 17:20 |
| charlie-tca | russjr08: ^ ^ | 17:20 |
| charlie-tca | It might be broken today, too | 17:20 |
| russjr08 | hmm.... | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | live cd is broken for installing, maybe the upgrade is too | 17:21 |
| russjr08 | Maybe today is not the day for trying it then | 17:21 |
| penguin42 | welcome to pre-alpha | 17:24 |
| Ian_Corne | I used update-manager -d | 17:28 |
| Ian_Corne | guess i was lucky? :) | 17:28 |
| Ian_Corne | whatever you do, don't sit in classical | 17:29 |
| Ian_Corne | i'd advise updating in a tty | 17:29 |
| htorque | any idea how i can remove old keys from dconf? i have a lot from 'org.gnome' also in 'apps'. | 18:24 |
| afv | hello, is there a way to kill an invisible window? | 18:34 |
| afv | xwininfo: Window id: 0x10018e4 (has no name) | 18:34 |
| htorque | afv: just restart unity (alt+f2 → unity) | 18:44 |
| htorque | probably xkill works too | 18:44 |
| afv | thanks, it worked | 18:45 |
| afv | no, xkill won't do it | 18:45 |
| afv | better than having to restart x, heh | 18:45 |
| htorque | definitely :) | 18:45 |
| ubuntucu_ahmet | hello! | 19:01 |
| ubuntucu_ahmet | with ubuntu 11.10 will add this feature : Utilities for building localized CD’s " what is this ? something like remastersys ? | 19:01 |
| trism | ubuntucu_ahmet: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools , it seems to be for providing tools to help build localized versions of ubuntu (with more than just additional language packs, but custom bookmarks/input methods/wallpapers etc) | 19:05 |
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| knight_ | i have a question i cant seem to get my laptop from identifying that my screen is number 1 | 20:10 |
| knight_ | i have tried the catalyst control center but it always identifies it when i try to olay a game using wine | 20:12 |
| knight_ | *play | 20:12 |
| knight_ | is anyone here? | 20:12 |
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| lucas-arg | is ubuntu "leaving" gtk and goin for qt UI? | 20:39 |
| micahg | lucas-arg: there are 2 versions of unity, one built on GTK and one built on QT | 20:41 |
| micahg | 3D is GTK, 2D is QT | 20:41 |
| lucas-arg | i know... but im wondering about future of unity... it doesnt make much sence developing it in qt and gtk | 20:42 |
| charlie-tca | I thought the plan was to have both qt and gtk in Ubuntu now | 20:52 |
| htorque | fwiw: unity does not gtk (internally) - it uses the opengl toolkit nux | 20:55 |
| htorque | +use | 20:55 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: yep, both will be on the CD | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | unity might not use gtk, but gnome does | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | and unity is just a shell to get to gnome | 20:57 |
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| BUGabundo | my Asus Transformer finally arrived!!! :D | 21:40 |
| Ian_Corne | oooo | 21:43 |
| Ian_Corne | < jalous | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 21:43 |
| Ian_Corne | i'll be working soon, so i'll be able to afford such gadgets :D | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | man, 11.10 is boring | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | no themes | 21:43 |
| Ian_Corne | the padphone also looks nice | 21:43 |
| Ian_Corne | yeah | 21:43 |
| Ian_Corne | no noting | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | can't even set the clock in 24h mode | 21:43 |
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