[00:06] oh :p [00:06] tottaly staleld [00:06] fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu [00:06] trying to re-run it [00:06] *if* quit works [00:11] which it doesnt either [00:11] rebooting [00:47] why is acpiphp only included in VM kernel packages? (from what I gather reading Bug #364916 and linked bugs [00:47] Launchpad bug 364916 in linux (Ubuntu Jaunty) "When running Ubuntu as an Eucalyptus VM instance, module acpiphp is not available to be loaded, complicating the use EBS volume" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364916 === braiam is now known as cap_nemo === cap_nemo is now known as braiam === braiam is now known as cap_nemo === cap_nemo is now known as braiam === TerminX_ is now known as TerminX [04:13] how do you dpkg-buildpackage a debug version (of compiz, in this case)? [04:14] export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip noopt"? === Guest7136 is now known as vega- [12:03] what's the current state of play regarding GNOME in 11.10? Will it still be present? [12:03] Currently I am using 11.04 with Classic desktop [12:04] last i heard was "no gnome in 11.10" .. [12:04] or read, from somewhere [12:05] thegoodcushion, I believe mint is planning on staying with classic, although whether they have the manpower to actually support it is another matter [12:05] it might be time to migrate to kde :( [12:05] or perhaps xfce [12:07] nah [12:07] migrate to debian, more likely [12:07] gnome 3 is already in oneiric, afaik [12:08] and you can use it in "classic" mode by using the "failsafe" mode, iirc [12:08] so is it GNOME 3 or Unity? [12:08] if only any of these fancy new desktop environments had a decent workflow for those of us with giant and/or multiple monitors [12:08] I think you can opt for either one [12:33] cwillu_at_work: tried xmonad, or any of the tiling wms? [12:33] ior3k, yeah, not remotely useful for me :p [12:34] I make heavy use of overlapping windows [12:34] and they make that too hard to do [12:34] cwillu_at_work: care to explain why? [12:34] not that it's my business [12:34] ? [12:34] I just did? :p [12:34] cwillu_at_work: why do you make heavy use of overlapping windows [12:35] ? [12:36] cwillu_at_work: xmonad has several layouts that allow for overlapping windows (I mention xmonad because that's what I use, I suppose other tiling WMs have that too) [12:36] lots of windows are streaming updates of some sort; it's kinda like a reverse roll-up, where you can see and interact with almost all of them at the same time, and instantly get the full backlog with a click [12:36] xmonad got on my bad side when it rearranged (obviously) 40 windows, and then didn't put them back where it found them when I exited [12:37] hehe [12:37] resizing 40 windows back to a reasonable size isn't fun [12:37] and I've _never_ had a desire to have a single tiny little square, let alone 40 of them [12:37] (that's what the expose thingie is for :p) [12:38] cwillu_at_work: you could have just chosen another layout, and it would have resized the windows to a more manageable state (using M-Enter) [12:38] it's sad, because in principle I like the concept, but the conceit of "stop using your mouse" is just sillyness [12:38] ior3k, coulda shoulda woulda [12:38] the out of the box experience was crap [12:39] cwillu_at_work: well, not trying to push xmonad at you, my point is that sometimes we need to fight that initial impulse to put things away right away [12:39] ior3k, I'm well aware of that, but it doesn't bring anything I want [12:39] it may be _as good_ as my current approach, if I try it for a week or two :p [12:39] and that's simply not worth my time [12:40] cwillu_at_work: oh well, good luck finding something that better fits you then :) [12:40] (note that my current approach requires a patched gnome-panel in order to not go buggy when you put up a couple nice wide side panels for the window list [12:40] ior3k, that's what bugs me about the whole unity/gnome-shell/stop-using-gnome-panel-it's-so-90's thing [12:41] because it works fine for this, and there's no compelling alternatives to switch to, certainly not the new bling :) [12:41] (don't get me wrong, unity is great on my netbook) [12:41] (even on my bigger laptop before it got stolen) [12:41] cwillu_at_work: I'd definitely say there *seems* to be a problem with your approach, but I can't say for sure until I'd know more [12:42] too many windows :) [12:42] seems confusing [12:42] ior3k, I'm going to be blunt: it's arrogant of you to presume you know something is wrong with y workflow :p [12:42] s/y/my/ [12:42] cwillu_at_work: sure, that's why I said *seems* [12:42] no, that's the arrogant part :) [12:43] you see somebody doing something unfamiliar, and can't imagine how they can live through it [12:43] I quite understand that xmonad works well for those who use it [12:43] well, I apologize, then, it was not my intention [12:43] I guess I like to find ways to simplify things, and assume those ways exist [12:44] which of course may not always be the case [12:44] fair enough [12:44] I'm not claiming this is optimal [12:44] I'm merely claiming that it's a local maxima [12:44] and the peaks I can see on the horizon don't seem to be any higher :p [12:45] cwillu_at_work: well, if you ever change your mind and want to know if xmonad can help you there, feel free to ping me [12:45] not that I get anything from it except the thrill of maybe helping someone solve a problem :) [12:45] ior3k, my copious free time will eventually be spent writing an actually sane (for my purposes) window manager :p [12:45] if indeed it can be solved [12:46] cwillu_at_work: best of luck with that [12:55] * cwillu_at_work looks for an incompetent compiler writer to stab [12:56] they implemented \ escaping in strings, but then they _include_ the backslash in the final string, in addition to whatever you quoted [12:56] (so \n gives you a backslash, followed by a newline) [13:50] http://pastebin.com/d9VcZzeh <-- guys any help.. [13:54] sorry, haven't seen that one [13:55] just upgraded [13:55] from 11.04 to 11.10 though there's a problem [13:55] i rebooted and still partial upgrade, when click partial upgrade it shows that error [17:13] Hey guys, what's the best way to install Ubuntu 11.10? Daily Build, Change Sources.list in Natty, or update-manager -d? [17:13] update-maanger -d broke badly for me in a 2d setup [17:14] gcc -lrt async-test.c - compiles fine under natty, errors in oneiric: http://dpaste.com/548292/ [17:15] CarlFK: Try moving the -lt to the end [17:16] penguin42: that works. thanks. [17:16] CarlFK: Are you sure that works in Natty? I thought that change happened between Maverick and Natty [17:17] yep: Codename: natty [17:17] hmm ok [17:18] russjr08: support for Oneiric is in #ubuntu+1, this early, update manager never works. [17:18] charlie-tca, I thought I was in #ubuntu+1 [17:18] oops [17:18] my fault [17:18] lol [17:19] I thought I was going crazy [17:19] You usually have to change sources.lk [17:19] let me try again, then [17:19] you usually have to change sources.list and comment out all non-official repositories, including ppa's [17:19] So then I should change sources.list and then do a sudo apt-get upgrade? [17:20] then you do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and keep praying [17:20] Ok, thanks! [17:20] apt-get upgrade won't do it [17:20] charlie-tca: do-release-upgrade -d did try and upgrade it and do everything - I think it's the end result that's broken not the process [17:20] russjr08: ^ ^ [17:20] It might be broken today, too [17:21] hmm.... [17:21] live cd is broken for installing, maybe the upgrade is too [17:21] Maybe today is not the day for trying it then [17:24] welcome to pre-alpha [17:28] I used update-manager -d [17:28] guess i was lucky? :) [17:29] whatever you do, don't sit in classical [17:29] i'd advise updating in a tty [18:24] any idea how i can remove old keys from dconf? i have a lot from 'org.gnome' also in 'apps'. [18:34] hello, is there a way to kill an invisible window? [18:34] xwininfo: Window id: 0x10018e4 (has no name) [18:44] afv: just restart unity (alt+f2 → unity) [18:44] probably xkill works too [18:45] thanks, it worked [18:45] no, xkill won't do it [18:45] better than having to restart x, heh [18:45] definitely :) [19:01] hello! [19:01] with ubuntu 11.10 will add this feature : Utilities for building localized CD’s " what is this ? something like remastersys ? [19:05] ubuntucu_ahmet: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/Specs/Oneiric/LocalizedCDImageTools , it seems to be for providing tools to help build localized versions of ubuntu (with more than just additional language packs, but custom bookmarks/input methods/wallpapers etc) === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [20:10] i have a question i cant seem to get my laptop from identifying that my screen is number 1 [20:12] i have tried the catalyst control center but it always identifies it when i try to olay a game using wine [20:12] *play [20:12] is anyone here? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:39] is ubuntu "leaving" gtk and goin for qt UI? [20:41] lucas-arg: there are 2 versions of unity, one built on GTK and one built on QT [20:41] 3D is GTK, 2D is QT [20:42] i know... but im wondering about future of unity... it doesnt make much sence developing it in qt and gtk [20:52] I thought the plan was to have both qt and gtk in Ubuntu now [20:55] fwiw: unity does not gtk (internally) - it uses the opengl toolkit nux [20:55] +use [20:56] charlie-tca: yep, both will be on the CD [20:56] unity might not use gtk, but gnome does [20:57] and unity is just a shell to get to gnome === niekie_ is now known as niekie === Adri2000 is now known as Guest65110 === Trewas666 is now known as Trewas === geser_ is now known as geser [21:40] my Asus Transformer finally arrived!!! :D [21:43] oooo [21:43] < jalous [21:43] eheh [21:43] i'll be working soon, so i'll be able to afford such gadgets :D [21:43] man, 11.10 is boring [21:43] no themes [21:43] the padphone also looks nice [21:43] yeah [21:43] no noting [21:43] can't even set the clock in 24h mode === maxb_ is now known as maxb