[00:36] is there a untiy room? [00:37] Depends on what you want - #ayatana is one room where the design & Unity guys hang out. [00:39] Whats more, they are unlikely to be there at this time, since they are based in Europe. [00:39] The majority are anyway. [00:40] I want to add launchers dock/launchbar for apps that do not appear there as an icon. ie: "gnome-do", "fceu mynesproject.unif", etc. maybe a config file? [00:41] aunchers to the dock/launchbar, rather [00:41] Anything with a .desktop file can be added there. [00:42] I *believe* you can drag from nautilus? [00:43] oh, fancy. if the drag don't work i'll just type me up one from scratch and double click to get me an icon in the bar? [00:44] If it's got a window it should appear on the launcher. [00:47] there in lies the problem for some apps and some specific files (app+command-line loading), they don't have 1. an icon, or 2. a specific icon [00:51] drag don't work [00:56] nope, custom .desktop don't work neither === Sarvatt_ is now known as Sarvatt === braiam is now known as cap_nemo === cap_nemo is now known as braiam === braiam is now known as cap_nemo === cap_nemo is now known as braiam [05:29] Good morning [05:34] nite pitti :) [05:34] Good morning pitti. [05:56] hey TheMuso, how are you? [05:57] pitti: Not too bad thanks, kinda annoyed at the weather making it dark enough to need a light on, so my monitor doesn't hurt my eyes. Its not even 3PM for goodness sake. :) [05:57] Weather == very very wet here atm. [05:59] Fun! [06:00] RAOF: Oh yeah. [06:08] Hm. Does llvm really not do any bugfix releases? [06:20] I don't suppose anyone particularly wants to finish this llvm mir for me? :) [06:21] and spoil your fun? nah! [06:22] Pros: very few bugs. [06:22] Cons: *Suspiciously* few bugs, no bugfix releases. [06:23] Oh, and arm is, of course, going to be a problem child, but they probably don't care about mesa anyway. [06:35] heh [07:44] good morning [07:52] bonjour didrocks, ca va? [07:52] TheMuso: so wrt. bug 632468, is that even worth fixing, or want me to remove the package from oneiric instead? [07:52] Launchpad bug 632468 in padevchooser "Maverick : padevchooser, pavucontrol icon doesn't show" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632468 [07:52] TheMuso: the bug is fixed in sid, so we could also merge (or sync if we aren't interested in our delta any more) [07:53] pitti: Probably worth removing from oneiric, no longer maintained upstream. [07:53] TheMuso: ok, will do that then; thanks! [07:53] pitti: hrm ok I'll take a look tomorrow, hold that thought [07:53] replaced by pavucontrol? [07:53] Yeah it is [07:53] SO I guess we could remove it... [07:53] last upload was in hardy, doesn't look very maintained to me [07:53] and it's apparently using the systray, so won't work anymore anyway in unity [07:54] ok, removing/blacklisting then [07:54] Yup sounds good. [08:01] didrocks: I had to reject unity-place-applications due to the typo in the changelog's bug number [08:02] pitti: guten morgen. Yeah, quite tired because of the ubuntu party, but I'm fine :) [08:02] pitti: oh? ok, looking at it [08:02] how was it? [08:03] pitti: busy ;) gave 3 presentations on unity and what's new in ubuntu 11.04, 2 classrooms on how to discover unity + small interviews/helping in the install room [08:07] pitti: u-p-a reuploaded, sorry for the typo [08:07] how was your week-end? [08:07] didrocks: merci [08:07] didrocks: pretty nice as well; got some more gardening and house-cleaning done, and we did some long walks to explore our nice environment here [08:08] pitti: how are the surroundings? [08:09] it's a three-minute walk until you are in the green, and 10 minutes to the forest/river shore [08:09] at these high temperatures that was quite nice to stick your feet into the river :) [08:10] and there's another huge forest some 5 km eastwards here, we did a small bike trip there [08:16] nice :) [08:58] morning [09:01] hey rodrigo_! [09:02] bonjour didrocks [09:08] seb128: bonjour [09:08] hi pitti, seb128 [09:08] hey didrocks pitti rodrigo_ [09:08] hey rodrigo, good morning! [09:08] did you guys have a good w.e? [09:09] hey seb128! [09:09] quite busy one, but was nice, yeah ;) you? [09:09] not me, had a horrible toothache and couldn't sleep much :( [09:09] you? [09:10] didrocks, quite relaxing one ;-) [09:10] didrocks, how was the french ubuntuparty? [09:11] seb128: lot of people, I have a little voice today after 3 conferences and 2 classrooms in the 2 days (and little sleep) [09:11] didrocks, :) [09:11] but was quite nice, a little bit "trolling", but people understand when we explain the decision and why [09:11] didrocks, with some luck with the u.s and u.k on holidays you will have no dx call today ;-) [09:12] so that's clearly what was missing :) [09:12] seb128: yeah \o/ [09:22] hi desktop people, good morning! I'm managing translation templates in Launchpad, and I've noticed there are now templates in oneiric for the 'glade' and 'glade-3' source packages. Are these two source packages going to stay in oneiric? [09:22] hey dpm, how are you? [09:22] seb128, very well, not sure if fully awake yet, though ;) and you? [09:22] same here ;-) [09:23] but I'm working on it with coffee :p [09:23] dpm, I think "glade" is the new name [09:23] glade-3 is deprecated [09:24] yeah, it seems so, glade is for 3.10 and glade-3 for 3.8 IIRC. I'm thinking if it makes sense to have both templates in LP, though. glade-3 being deprecated means that it might be demoted to universe or something in oneiric? [09:25] dpm, no, it's stripped, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glade-3/3.8.0-0ubuntu2 [09:26] dpm, the source is just kept for the old library until application are transitioned [09:26] hey dpm [09:26] seb128, ok, so I'll leave both templates enabled for oneiric for now, thanks! [09:26] buenas rodrigo_ :) [09:27] dpm, yw [09:52] mvo: hey! small question on update-manager: update-manager -d fails because of extras.ubuntu.com not being available for oneiric [09:56] didrocks, bug 778666 [09:56] Launchpad bug 778666 in Ubuntu Oneiric "Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/778666 [09:56] jibel: salut, et merci! :-) [09:56] didrocks, salut :) [09:56] stgraber did something last week, but that didn't create the extra repository for oneiric [09:57] jibel: ok, let's dist-upgrade then [09:58] didrocks, you cant this morning [09:58] jibel: oh? [09:58] didrocks, well, you can but here python-glade2 python-gtk2 are hold back [09:59] jibel: ok, let's try to upgrade what it can upgrade, I'll dist-upgrade later on then [10:04] held back still? I fixed gnome-python yesterday, it should work now [10:05] didrocks: oh, right. I thought that was fixed by now, I check it out [10:05] didrocks: thanks! [10:05] mvo: yw :-) [10:05] and the live CD built again as well (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110530/) [10:05] hey mvo [10:06] mvo: sorry, I screwed up the aptdaemon SRU: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/781874/comments/10 [10:06] Launchpad bug 781874 in aptdaemon ": __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)" [High,Fix committed] [10:22] pitti, when I install one of these packages it removes python-gtksourceview2, which in turn removes packages from universe that I need. [10:23] jibel: I confirm for python-gtksourceview2 (I'll fix), but python-glade2 works here; can you re-confirm? [10:25] pitti, yes its installable if I accept to remove python-gtksourceview2. but I don't :-) [10:25] jibel: ok, so it's only gtksourceview which is broken [10:26] pitti, right [10:36] dpm, I just read a message I got from LP about brasero Serbian translations: [10:37] We were unable to import the file because of errors in its format: [10:37] Line 11: Invalid content: u', 2011.' [10:37] dpm, that's from the upstream translations, I guess? [10:54] seb128: g-panel> wohoo! [10:56] pitti, ;-) [10:57] it's an upstream experience though since we don't use it for our default or fallback desktop we probably don't need as much ubuntu tweaking that we had [10:57] there is also no indicator support until indicator-applet is ported to gtk3 [10:57] seb128: now that the new gnome-panel is here, there is my recommend on gnome-session-fallback I guess? [10:58] didrocks, hum, no [10:58] seb128: hum? it was on the vcs IIRC [10:59] didrocks, right but that was a 3 way merges in some ways, merged the gnome3 ppa work first and then rebased on debian [10:59] it seems the ppa was one revision behind and that commit reverting this entry [10:59] seb128: ok, so a leftover, no worry, I'm fixing it :) and upload gnome-session as well dropping the recommends then [10:59] then, no gnome-panel and dep anymore on the CD! [11:00] didrocks, thanks, maybe just wait a bit to see if gnome-panel builds first [11:00] or if I forgot a build-depends or something [11:00] seb128: right :-) [11:00] bah, dep-wait [11:01] on libwnck-3-dev [11:01] shall I promote quickly or are you on it? [11:02] pitti, if you want to do it you're welcome [11:02] doing [11:02] thanks [11:02] sorry for the hurry, but now it catches the publisher in 30 seconds :) [11:02] I'm doing some upload and my ssh is very laggy [11:02] pitti, ;-) [11:03] go pitti go [11:03] (yes, done in time) [11:03] \o/ === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:04] we are almost done with the GNOME3 updates [11:05] jibel: I got pygtksourceview fixed in Debian svn now, FYI [11:05] there is basically gnome-games gnome-system-monitor gnome-themes remaining [11:05] niiice! [11:06] gdm as well... [11:06] the other ones as point revision updates [11:06] empathy as well [11:06] for gdm, should we just wait until the lightdm MIR gets approved, switch to it, and revert most of our gdm changes then? [11:07] like gdmsetup [11:07] hum [11:07] if we added those that's mostly to get it not working [11:07] or rather, see what's easy to merge against the current Debian pkg [11:07] in opposite to gnome-panel where we had behaviour tweaking, gdm changes are mostly functional [11:07] pitti, nice! thanks [11:07] so I think we should keep those [11:08] but it seems we can drop gdmsetup anyway, as it's now in the user accounts dialog? [11:08] right [11:08] the other patches are small and easy to port [11:08] pitti, I will have a look today and clean from the vcs the patches [11:08] right, debian also fixes some of the same issues [11:08] seb128: Debian cleaned up a lot of them as well [11:08] they have a gdmsetup patch as well I think [11:09] bah, alioth websvn is still not back [11:09] seb128: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/ [11:09] the svn.d.o aliases are still missing indeed :( [11:10] thanks [11:10] I was trying on http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gdm3/ [11:10] ok, they dropped their gdmsetup [11:11] the user account dialog now has an autologin switch, I think [11:11] pitti, I will start on cleaning that a bit this afternoon and see where we stand, I will probably let you all the locale, keyboard patches though [11:11] seb128: yes, that's fine [11:11] not sure how those will play with the new gdm since they dropped the keyboard and locale selector from their login screen [11:11] probably obsolete [11:11] (which is a pity) [11:12] I always found the keyboard selector quite nice in gdm [11:12] but lightdm has one [11:12] rodrigo_, what do you work on? still gnome-games? [11:13] there is a stack of easy point updates on version for those who want [11:13] seb128, yes, and some evo-couchdb debugging, but yes, right now finishing gnome-games [11:14] seb128, do you want me to work on those? [11:14] ok no hurry I was just curious [11:14] rodrigo_, not especially I was just pointing it in case some is interested [11:14] ah ok [11:14] some->somebody [11:47] hello seb128, fredp and didrocks [11:47] lut kinouchou [11:47] salut kinouchou! [11:57] didrocks, ok, gnome-panel built on i386, you can reapply your recommend and upload [11:57] seb128: excellent, thanks! [11:57] yw, sorry for dropping that revision in the merge [11:57] no worry :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:28] hmm, btw, I see debian's gnome-games has never had the separation in subpackages (aisleroit, etc) we have, so do we want to keep that? [12:28] I was working on just using what debian is doing, but I wonder if it's the correct thing [12:29] rodrigo_, you should use the gnome3-team version as a start [12:30] yes we want to keep the split, we don't install all games on the CD and having a bundle confuses users [12:30] like we used to have users asking how to uninstall some games [12:30] ok [13:06] rodrigo_, sorry for the delay, re: brasero, yes, that's an error in the Serbian .po file imported from upstream [13:20] dpm, ok, so anything I could do, or just wait for it to be fixed upstream? [13:23] dpm, anyway, going for lunch now, bbl [13:24] rodrigo_, you can file a bug on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=l10n. The l10n is for that, and the upstream teams should take a look at it [13:32] seb128: g-panel binNEWed FYI [13:32] pitti, thanks [13:34] hello folks [13:34] hey pedro_, how are you? [13:35] pedro_, hello ;-) [13:35] hey pitti, doing good, thanks. what about you? [13:36] bonjour seb128 :-) [13:38] pedro_: I'm great, thanks! [13:51] mvo: u around :-) ? [13:53] alex3f: yeah, had a bit of a busy morning, but I saw your branch and your mail [13:53] alex3f: anything you would like to talk about now or should I just reply to the mail? [13:54] no, nothing's burning [13:54] take your time [13:55] ok, trying a reboot after the oneiric upgrade [13:59] alex3f: the branch looks good, I will merge it in a wee bit (doing some tiny adjustments) and then answer the questions (they are very good and highlight some more weak points in the code that needs fixing) [14:00] mvo: sent a new email with another question [14:00] ok [14:00] hope I'm not abusing your time [14:00] no, thats fine, I want software-center to improve :) [14:01] me too :) [14:05] jibel: it's fine on LP's side ... [14:06] alex3f: could you please mail me a example appstream xml so that I can try to reproduce the problem locally? [14:06] of course [14:08] good morning! [14:12] we don't have anymore the patch for gtk exporting its menu? [14:15] alex3f: thanks, branch is merged now, I just changed on tiny detail [14:15] didrocks, we have it but we don't have appmenu-gtk built for gtk3 [14:16] mvo: I'm not sure about the debian_source, app_stream_sources approach... in general i'm trying to make changes so that current workflow remains untouched [14:16] it seemed like a good compromise at the time [14:16] thanks for the merge :-) [14:19] seb128: oh ok, and I don't find the gsettings key for the show_desktop in nautilus, am I blind? [14:19] didrocks, didn't you say you need glasses? ;-) [14:19] didrocks, org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons [14:20] seb128: yeah, but the appointment to the doctor is at the end of July :/ [14:20] seb128: ok, thanks! :-) seems that my grep to desktop was on nautilus… [14:22] seb128: oh, we have a g-applets diff of using pysupport? [14:23] pitti, using python rather which is off in debian, but yeah it's done using pysupport for now [14:24] it should probably be ported to dh_python2 but I just wanted to merge what we had now in this one rather than having to figure how to port to dh_python2 [14:26] seb128: ah, I thought Debian was using pycentral or so [14:26] thanks [14:26] yw [14:26] if you want to fix it to use dh_python2 feel free though ;-) [14:26] good afternoon everyone [14:27] hey chrisccoulson [14:27] hi seb128, how are you? [14:27] is today an uk holiday again? ;-) [14:27] I'm fine thanks [14:27] how are you? [14:27] seb128, it is today. i got the correct day this time :) [14:30] chrisccoulson, what are you doing there then? ;-) [14:31] didrocks: hm, at least on the current CDs unity-2d seems to start; I can only see the indicators, though, the rest is garbled and crashes :/ [14:32] pitti: let me have a try now that I upgraded on oneiric [14:32] pitti: it's the same snapshot that in the natty ppa, which I have built and was working on natty [14:32] didrocks: probably not your fault, just wanted to say that there's some progress [14:32] it actually figured out which session to start, etc. [14:33] ... I think; let me check [14:33] pitti: one sec, rebooting to this session to test :) [14:35] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html hardly seems realistic; let me move some bits to a2 [14:35] pitti: evevrything is loaded and works there (no display garbled) [14:35] didrocks: nice! [14:35] didrocks: in kvm I just get a crash, but apport confirms it's unity-2d at least :) [14:35] heh, it's a way to know it :-) [14:36] Sweetshark: which alpha-1 WIs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-libreoffice-packaging do you actually want to keep for a1? (given that it's supposed to happen on Thursday) [14:36] pitti: ok, maybe will worth having a look just post alpha1 so that the dev team can debug in kvm directly [14:36] Sweetshark: at least 3.4.0 for oneiric is definitively -> a2 now, given the build time [14:38] Sweetshark: I did some minor adjustments (the rest for a1 is work that isn't in Ubuntu); feel free to move further stuff to a2, though [14:39] didrocks, btw seems the at-spi2 sources got updates addressing your mir issues if you have time for a new review [14:39] with the new gnome-panel we are getting close from dropping some of the olds libraries on the CD ;-) [14:40] seb128: yeah, I noticed, but thanks :-) (not the third one AFAIK), I'll process them [14:40] seb128: on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 we have two a1 WIs for nautilus/desktop icons [14:40] great! [14:40] seb128: on my system nautilus now starts by default, rendering the desktop, and doesn't open a window by default any more (as last week); is that the intended state now? [14:40] (from my POV it's certainly good enough at least for a1, if not for oneiric) [14:40] that's what I just got after the dist-upgrade [14:41] just no icon by default right now, as expected [14:41] pitti, the second on is DONE, I've fixed that [14:41] pitti, it's intended out of sorting the default value of the key [14:41] well, TBH, the wallpaper key was not the right key as discussed the other day [14:41] I'm not quite sure whether it was me who modified it [14:41] so, no refresh of the background [14:42] until I changed the wallpaper in the capplet [14:42] right, I will fix the background, I was just pondering what to do with nautilus and the desktop which delayed that upload [14:43] the issue is that we can't really make the gsettings nautilus key specific to unity [14:43] seb128: I would say, for the unity sessions, still show the desktop, not for the others [14:44] or we need to teach gnome-session about Unity and use a ShowOnlyIn=Unity [14:44] seb128: ah, seems a guest session doesn't start nautilus, so that's just my settings [14:44] pitti, the autostart check the show-desktop-icons gsettings key [14:44] it start it only if the key is on [14:44] weird, nautilus was started there… I didn't change anything after the dist-upgrade [14:44] seb128: Oy, had you spotted https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71888305/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.libdmapsharing_2.9.7-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? [14:44] build log filters detected implicit conversion in the gcc warnings [14:45] $ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons [14:45] true [14:45] lool, yes, updating to 2.9.12 which is current is on my todolist for today [14:45] ah, that'd be it [14:45] seb128: cool, thanks [14:46] lool, does it block you for anything? [14:46] seb128: I pinged TheMuso about at-spi2, FYI [14:46] just for upgrading to across the brasero-media lib transition (a rhythmbox recommends gets broken) [14:47] pitti, what about it? [14:47] seb128: "do it" [14:47] [themuso] Adjust package dependencies and seeds to use at-spi2: TODO [14:47] (or move to a2) [14:47] pitti, it's in mir ping-pong, didrocks had comments, they got fixed in an upload today they need a new review [14:47] ah [14:47] I asked whether it's blocked and if it should be done for a1 or moved [14:47] I think there is just one component without answer [14:48] pitti, we were just discussing it there before you pinged about wis ;-) [14:48] but for the two with answers, it will be done today, seems the answer are ok, just need to check the new version uploaded [14:48] seb128: ah, sorry [14:48] no need to be sorry ;-) [14:48] didrocks, seems like on track to be fixed this week then [14:49] right :) [14:49] didrocks, seems he fixed the third one as well [14:49] well he uploaded the 3 sources and adressed your comments for each [14:49] but maybe he didn't comment on the bug for the third one [14:49] seb128: ok, just didn't get it in my mail, dunno why [14:49] yeah, probably [14:52] didrocks, in fact he replied on the bug as well just they are just waiting for you ;-) [14:52] seb128: nice, seems something bad happened in my filter :) [14:52] the answer was ok when I looked this morning, just need to check the package modification :) [14:52] will do shortly [14:53] pitti: updated libreoffice-packaging some more, as some items are upstream release bound (cant be done before 3.4.X) .. [14:54] Sweetshark: thanks [14:59] alex3f: I think your approach of step-by-step improval is good and valid, like adding these flags to update-software-center [15:02] thank you, I will continue this way [15:27] alex3f: this http://paste.ubuntu.com/614947/ works now for me and shows firefox from appstream.xml [15:28] hmm, fresh flags [15:28] it was apt-xapian-index fault? [15:47] gnome-color-manager by default in main? [15:49] + Argyl apparently, but no MIR for it [16:12] mvo: what do you think about extending the PackagInfo class to have a __contains__ method? [16:13] it will make transition from apt.Cache to get_package_info much more easier [16:25] alex3f: yeah, that is fine with me [16:25] hey kiwinote! [16:26] * alex3f salutes kiwinote [16:26] hey mvo and alex3f! [16:26] I'm doing something wrong, about bazaar [16:27] I use pull and push, last time when I pushed on my lp branch, it erased history, replacing it with history from trunk [16:27] and my last commit [16:27] it's my fault [16:31] uhhh :( [16:32] yeah, must be more careful next time. [16:33] gtg, see you later [16:36] time for Taekwondo (I found a new club, let's see how it is); see you tomorrow! [16:38] pitti: enjoy :) [16:41] ok [16:41] pitti, just fyu I just commited a gdm3 in the vcs which builds with some patches commented, I've cleaned quite some patches, refreshed some others and commented those for keyboard or that need porting work [16:42] while I was at it I've lowered a bit the delta with debian by copying over the copyright and some other files and part of their control [16:42] the current version should be buildable but needs work, you are welcome to pick it up to clean the keyboard patches when you want [16:42] pitti, have fun, see you tomorrow [16:54] hmm, gnome-sudoku needs python-gobject [16:54] not sure if we should disable it in gnome-games for now? [16:55] seb128: gdm3 > \o/ [16:56] seb128, btw, can I upload gnome-menus, now that we have gnome-panel 3? [16:58] rodrigo_, yes [16:58] rodrigo_, but maybe turn off the list of blocked softwares [16:58] not sure we want to block kde the way debian is doing [16:59] the patch they have with list a stack of softwares to not list [16:59] rodrigo_, but otherwise yes feel free to upload [16:59] rodrigo_, the python games are disabled in the ppa iirc, do the same in oneiric, they are being ported to vala iirc [16:59] seb128, you mean turn off the Breaks:? [16:59] seb128, ah, ok [17:00] seb128, in fact, whatever I do, sudoku is not built, so yeah, disabling it [17:00] ok [17:00] rodrigo_, no, not the break the patch from debian which lists items to filter out [17:00] seb128, ah, ok [17:06] rodrigo_: any idea how can, in GNOME 2, make application display in fullscreen (i.e. cover all other windows, and panels) in a way that makes onboard display above it? [17:07] running gtk_window_fullscreen() makes window cover onboard, the F10 shortcut suggested in http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/stable/ats-5.html.en doesn't work in application I've tried. [17:08] kklimonda^, I think it's onboard that needs to set the window to be on top [17:08] kklimonda^, or you can use the window menu to set it to be always on top [17:09] rodrigo_: it does set itself as an "always on top" window. [17:09] rodrigo_: the link I've pasted suggests that fullscreen windows display over all the others [17:10] I just tried in gnome3 and the window set to be always on top stays on top when I maximize other windows [17:10] so I guess it's a bug in metacity? [17:10] rodrigo_: maximize != fullscreen [17:10] ah, sorry :) [17:10] yeah, I guess then it's "by design", not sure [17:10] my other option would be to hide gnome panels unless some magic key (or combination is pressed) - the point is to not display any other part of the interface [17:11] yes, indeed when you open one in fullscreen, the window set to be always on top is hidden [17:12] funny thing is, notif-osd manages to stay on the top so it's probably possible to do that. [17:13] hmm [17:15] it's possible to do that through a X property IIRC [17:15] I think onboard should set it [17:22] hmm, can't find anything obvious.. I'll look for it later, thanks. [17:23] ah, it most likely sets GTK_WINDOW_TYPE_HINT_NOTIFICATION [17:34] baaaahh... just read the source of evo3 /wrt the new ugly/giant red EAlertSink, it's too deeply integrated and there's no easy way to remove it :(( [17:38] seb128, is there a gthumb update planed? i can't upgrade brasero without removing it [17:39] not from me [17:39] let me rephrase :) is there a gnome3 gthumb? [17:40] not that I know about but I've no clue about gthumb it's an universe software I don't use [17:40] ok :( [17:41] seems like the git version is going this way [17:41] somebody who cares could try to make a git snapshot or something [17:42]