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ScottKkees: apachelogger is complaining he's not in ubuntu-sponsors, but too lasy to switch channels at 3:50 AM in .at.  Since you're a team admin, would you please add him.02:50
TheMusoWhaaa? Linux 3.0-rc1?02:59
ScottKTheMuso: Would you please add apachelogger to ubuntu-sponsors.03:00
TheMusoScottK: Sure.03:01
ScottKThanks.03:01
TheMusoDone.03:01
ScottKThanks.03:02
ScottKkees: Unping.03:02
TheMusonp03:03
RAOFTheMuso: Yeah.  The release numbers are “getting too high”, so it's time for 3.0 :)03:13
TheMusoFair enough.03:13
TheMusoI just wonder whether 3.0 is bringing anything *significant*.03:14
micahgTheMuso: no, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTUwMg03:15
ajmitchlooks like it's nothing nig, just a nice shiny version number03:15
ajmitchs/nig/big/03:15
TheMusoRight.03:15
TerminX_it would be nice to see crap like support for MFM and RLL hard drives go away in 3.003:18
TheMusoThats a good read.03:19
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TheMusoc04:45
pittiGood morning05:28
pittislangasek: fixed now (seems Debian dropped the python:Provides)05:29
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pittikees, jdstrand: releasing lucid kernel to -updates/-security: linux linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 linux-meta linux-ports-meta06:19
pittiargh06:41
micahgpitti: you do realize they're off today, right?06:46
pittithey usually read backscroll, though06:46
micahgpitti: no, I mean Monday :)06:46
pittiright06:46
micahgk06:46
micahgwasn't sure if a USN had to go out at the same time06:46
pitti(I didn't know that they are off, but now I do)06:46
micahgUS holiday today06:47
pittiah, I see06:47
pittiit's nice if the USN gets out timely, but *shrug*, too late now :/06:47
micahgmdeslaur: ^^06:48
pitti@pilot in07:02
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pittijames_w: hm, the package importer spits out branch diffs for feisty, edgy, gutsy, etc. like mad :/07:41
* pitti plays whack-a-mole to set them to rejected07:41
pittilike https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/gutsy/cyrus-sasl2/gutsy-201105300151/+merge/6282807:41
pitti(empty diff)07:41
didrocksgood morning07:44
dholbachgood morning07:52
pittijames_w: seems I can barely keep up with the closing :/07:57
gesergood morning07:59
micahgpitti: re bug 766559, shouldn't it just be changed from an depends to enhances?08:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 766559 in icedtea-web (Ubuntu) "Forcing installation of firefox" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76655908:00
pittiI'm not sure whether software-center looks at "enhances", but I'm not fussed about suggests vs. enhances08:01
* micahg thought enhances makes it show up as a "plugin"08:02
sorenmicahg: That's the intent, but I think support for it in the various package managers is somewhat lacking.08:03
micahgah, I'll chat with someone tomorrow about that :)08:05
RAOFI think software-centre actually looks at that, but I'm not sure.08:06
dholbachbroder, thanks for the backport08:11
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broderdholbach: np08:34
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SweetsharkHi guys!09:24
Sweetsharkpitti: do you agree that https://bugs.launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+bug/709778 would deserve a SRU? OTOH I guess we will be releasing LO 3.3.3 in some form to natty, right? I that case we can keep it in the ppa until then.09:27
ubottuUbuntu bug 709778 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "Libreoffice base form design doesn't show toolbars, can't show them" [Critical,Confirmed]09:28
Sweetshark(that bug makes base completely unusable)09:28
pittihey Sweetshark09:28
pittiSweetshark: yes, that's SRU worthy indeed09:29
* Sweetshark is a bit scared that not only Ubuntu, but at least also Debian and OpenSUSE did ship this and nobody seemed to have cared about it.09:30
Sweetsharkpitti: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/3.3#3.3.3_release upstream release 3.3.3 is around the corner too though. Shall we wait for it?09:32
SweetsharkI dont know it debian even packages a 3.3.309:34
Sweetsharks/it/if/09:34
pittiSweetshark: I'd say it depends on how realistic it is to get 3.3.3 into -updates fast; I remember previous microrelease updates which caused regressions and which never made it past -proposed09:37
Sweetsharkpitti: does all the microrelease code change have to be reviewed?09:41
pittinot every line, but we do review the changelog for sanity at least09:41
Sweetsharkpitti: alas09:43
Sweetsharkpitti: a) there is no changelog b) there are 20 repo logs to look into c) it could well be that all changes are by me.09:44
infinitySweetshark: If (c) is true, that makes is easy to audit, via draconian interrogation techniques.09:47
geseror write a changelog09:48
Sweetsharkinfinity: I am happy to report that that is not the case.09:51
Sweetsharkthere are 35 commits in total over all repos09:53
Sweetsharkpitti: given that, SRU is the way to go IMHO. And 3.3.3 release to ppa.09:56
pittiSweetshark: ah, that sounds fine; I was afraid it was more like 3000 :)09:58
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Sweetsharkpitti: no, after 3.3.2 there are not many patches anymore, as people are more interested in breaking the next release10:17
debfxcjwatson: could you please update the kubuntu packageset so it picks up kamoso? it's seeded on the dvd10:33
jibelmvo, Hi10:34
jibelmvo, there's definitely a problem with apt and MergeList in Natty, there are 2 new reports today10:35
jibelmvo, and bug 346386 is accumulating duplicates.10:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 346386 in apt (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34638610:35
jibelsee also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=62764210:35
ubottuDebian bug 627642 in apt "apt installed bad Packages files and is unable to replace them on update" [Normal,Open]10:35
juliankjibel: Invalid package files do simply not work, and we can't really check them after download, as that violates abstraction layering and is just to slow.10:37
juliankMost of those bugs are wrongly configured networks sending 200 OK messages with wrong content10:37
jibeljuliank, I don't think leaving the user with an unresolvable situation does work either.10:38
pittihow come that apt accepts them anyway? They should certainly not match the md5sum from the releasea file?10:38
jibeljuliank, and this situation regressed in natty.10:38
juliankpitti: that's a good question.10:42
juliankjibel: It does not regress, the number of public hotspots using such schemes increases10:43
juliankpitti: If it does not verify those files, we actually have a serious security bug10:47
Sweetsharkpitti: I had a look at the commit, they all look rather sane. so back to the plan to get 3.3.3 to -updates, right?10:47
pittijuliank: *nod* -- but I suspect it also downloads a bad Release file then?10:47
pittiSweetshark: sounds good to me10:47
juliankpitti: Release files are downloaded of course, but verified using gpg, so there is no problem from a security perspective. And they are always re-downloaded completely AFAIK, so the other problem is not that critical either10:48
mvothanks jibel10:56
mvojibel: i will work on reproducing this today10:57
juliankmvo: The Release file must be missing for this to happen, as otherwise it should check the signatures10:57
mvojuliank: yeah, I suspect that is the case, I need to look at the various reports to figure out what is happening exactly10:58
juliankmvo: I'm writing a test server for it.10:58
mvojuliank: and how to reproduce it, it may well be that its just more visible now10:58
mvojuliank: I have a fault-injecting-proxy for this if you want to try it10:58
juliankmvo: I just sent 200 OK messages from a nodejs server containing HTML, as in the Debian bug10:59
mvojuliank: ok, that should be fine as well, lp:~mvo/+junk/fault-injecting-proxy  fyi10:59
mvobut your approach should be fine too11:00
mvojuliank: I need to go for lunch now, I will check afterwards11:00
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jibeljuliank, for info, the actual content of the faulty files are, in most of the cases, a router/proxy error page when a remote file doesn't exist (the device probably returns a code 200 instead of a propagating the 404) or a hotspot landing page. You're approach to reproduce should be fine.11:04
jibeljuliank, thanks for helping on this.11:04
juliankjibel: I reproduced it already.11:04
dokostgraber: why is bug #781516 assigned to you?11:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 781516 in rpcbind (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[MIR] libtirpc, rpcbind" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78151611:18
juliankjibel: mvo: Posted a patch at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/72655592/lp-346386.diff11:43
juliankThis makes it reject indexes (Packages,Sources,Translation) without a 'Package' field in the first section, and Release files without hashes11:44
juliankThat's not the final patch, though11:45
TheMusocjwatson: Do you have a bzr branch of your live-build migration work somewhere, or are you still analysing live build-livecd-rootfs?11:50
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bdrung_tumbleweed: around?12:22
juliankjibel: mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/346386/+attachment/2147672/+files/lp-346386v2.diff should now reject all invalid files (Packages, Sources, Translation, i18n/Index, InRelease, Release, Release.gpg)12:23
ubottuUbuntu bug 346386 in apt (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [High,In progress]12:23
tumbleweedbdrung_: yeah, back at my desk for the first time in a month :)12:23
juliankI'll be back in about 10 to 20 minutes12:24
juliankand finalize and commit this thing then12:25
bdrung_tumbleweed: why do you use try assert instead of a simple if construct?12:25
tumbleweedbdrung_: partly because it was there, partly so it'll still throw an exception when there's no error output12:26
mvothanks juliank!12:26
bdrung_tumbleweed: but you just catch the AssertionError12:27
tumbleweedno it's raised again if there's no error output12:27
juliankmvo: It could actually break some repositories shipping an unsigned Release file not containing hashes. Is that actually supported?12:37
bdrung_tumbleweed: please fix the build failure12:38
cjwatsonTheMuso: I have a private git branch, but I've pushed all the changes in it as Debian bug reports12:41
hrwcan someone from TB grant me PPU which I got week ago?13:04
tumbleweedbdrung_: sorry, will do. I couldn't test because my local mirror is borked13:07
bdrung_tumbleweed: a local build is sufficient13:08
tumbleweedbdrung_: I didn't have a local environment with an up to date devscripts installed.13:09
pitti@pilot out13:10
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cdbspitti: I'm a second late, but could you kindly sponsor a merge that's blocking gnome-shell from building? Thanks13:10
pittihrw: yes, can you please send me a pointer to the confirmation email?13:10
hrwpitti: sure13:10
pitticdbs: sure, which one?13:10
cdbspitti: bug #78974813:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 789748 in libxfixes (Ubuntu) "Please merge libxfixes 1:5.0-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78974813:10
hrwpitti: but should I get any for it? when I got 'ubuntu contributor' status I got email that I got added to LP group. After last week DMB meeting I did not get any emails regarding PPU stuff.13:12
pittihrw: there should be a voting about your application on the dmb list13:13
hrwpitti: so far the only place where I see that I got them is log from last DMB meeting13:13
pittimaybe they didn't prepare/send out the minutes yet13:13
hrwpitti: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/23/%23ubuntu-meeting.html - end of log13:13
geserhrw: usually the chair of the meeting sends a mail to the TB requesting it (as only TB can add PPU to LP)13:13
hrwso will have to catch persia first probably13:14
pittihrw: ah, can do now if it's blocking you13:14
hrwpitti: few things less on todo list - upload of whole cross toolchain for oneiric with gcc 4.6 as default instead of natty's versions13:15
pittihrw: done13:17
geserhrw: alternatively you could ask pitti to sponsor your uploads :) (although a little bit late for his piloting today)13:17
mvojuliank: I think its ok to break for that case, I doubt its supported anymore13:17
pittigeser: nah -- sponsor a man, and he's got enough uploads for a day; edit_acl for a man, and he's got enough uploads for a lifetime!13:17
hrwgeser: I know. I went this way for >100 versions of cross toolchain packages13:17
juliankmvo: I removed it for now, as I created such repositories from time to time IIRC13:17
pittihrw: happy uploading!13:18
hrwpitti: danke13:18
juliankmvo: revno 2126 and revno 2127 of debian-sid13:18
cdbshrw: Rock with Linaro! (/me's a linaro fan)13:18
tumbleweedbdrung_: looks like a bug in pylint13:18
pitticdbs: done13:22
cdbspitti: Thanks a lot, that was fast!13:22
pittiwell, it builds fast, and my computer reboots fast, too :)13:22
pitti(for testing)13:22
cdbspitti: Boots fast? My oneiric's boot time is now at par with windows :(13:25
pittiwell, for this computer it's still slow (some 20 s)13:25
cdbsDue to the plethora of changes that trickled in13:25
pittiI had 7 s in maverick13:25
cdbspitti: Its over a minute for me13:25
mvojuliank: thanks, I will merge into the ubuntu branch and if its all looking well in oneiric backport as a SRU13:26
gesermine oneiric boots slow too (slower than natty), sometimes it even doesn't find the md-device for my /home13:27
* cdbs faces the same issue as geser 13:28
gesernot to mention the issues with auto-login (the 1st login tells me on one screen that something has gone wrong and I've to log out while I seem to be able to use Gnome on the other one; but the 2nd (manual) login works)13:30
geserand logouts are also taking long (don't know what happening in the background that a logout takes so long)13:30
azeemanybody know what creates /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and what's the default value for session.gc_probability in lucid?13:34
cdbsazeem: libapache2-mod-php5 creates that13:35
cdbsazeem: in oneiric, its 1, I dunno about lucid.13:35
azeemthanks13:36
stgraberdoko: because slangasek wanted me to write the MIR. I should have removed that once it was written.14:02
dholbachcan somebody else please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/ubuntu-packaging-guide/debian-dir-overview/+merge/62803 too?14:23
* dholbach just gave it a review14:23
ScottKIf only all this effort was going into improving existing documentation instead of making Ubuntu docs that duplicate existing Debian work, it would be more interesting to review.14:25
dholbachScottK, I think part of it was taken from the old packaging guide14:26
ScottKI think it's a mistake to have a completely separate set of Ubuntu documentation for things that are largely common to Debian.14:26
ScottKIt's a real missed opportunity for collaboration.14:27
dholbachright14:27
hrwSuccessfully uploaded packages.14:27
hrwnow waiting for build results ;D14:27
dholbachon the other hand is it a bit tough to draw the line - there are parts (infrastructure, processes, some packaging bits) that are different14:27
dholbach... if you want to give somebody who reads the guide a feeling for some kind of semi-complete document14:28
hrwdholbach: make one doc for debian/ubuntu with some extra ubuntu sections?14:28
dholbachit's not a completely separate set of Ubuntu documentation - as you can see in the article that Andrew wrote, there's quite a few links to debian documentation14:30
dholbachnobody wants to replace that :)14:30
ScottKcjwatson: kphotoalbum may be some kind of record.  12 minutes from sync request filed to fix released with no prodding anyone to get it done.14:30
hrw[ubuntu/oneiric] armel-cross-toolchain-base 1.64 (Accepted)14:31
hrwyay!14:31
cjwatsonScottK: lucky :-)14:31
ScottKhrw: First upload?14:32
pittihrw: congrats!14:32
ogra_oh my ! hrw can upload to the archive now ?14:33
* ogra_ ducks and covers :)14:33
ogra_hrw, congrats :)14:33
ScottKhrw: Congratulations.14:33
hrwthx guys14:34
* hrw -> lunch14:34
highvoltagehrw: whohoo!14:34
hrwogra_: PPU for cross compilers for now14:35
hrwogra_: too many people told me 'motu is dead, apply for universe contributor' so motu has to wait a bit14:35
ScottKRumors of MOTU's death are greatly exaggerated.14:36
geserThe dead (MOTU) are still alive14:38
SatorisZombies of the Universe.14:47
qchnDoes anyone know where the difference in the initramfs between Debian and Ubuntu is?14:52
qchnI need to hook something there in Ubuntu which works under Debian.14:53
LaneyI want to know who all of these 'too many people' are14:59
dpmhi doko, I'm looking at the translations imports queue in LP, and there are a couple of .pot templates coming from gcc which I'm not sure what to do with. They are the same template but come from different paths. My guess is that I should approve one (the one from src/) and block the other one (the one from src-spu/), could you please confim? They're these:15:08
dpmsrc/libcpp/po/cpplib.pot15:08
dpmsrc-spu/libcpp/po/cpplib.pot15:08
dokodpm: ignore the src-spu one (only built on powerpc)15:09
dpmdoko, ok, cool, thanks15:09
stgrabercjwatson: Hi! I'm currently looking at dhcpv6 support in d-i. I did my initial test with the mini iso and noticed that it doesn't contain the isc-dhcp-client udeb but instead uses busybox's udhcpc.15:37
stgrabercjwatson: as udhcpc doesn't support dhcpv6, I was wondering how difficult it'd be to use isc-dhcp-client in the mini.iso image instead?15:37
stgraber(apparently we use the isc-dhcp-client udev for our other images, downloading one of them now to verify that it's indeed the case and that the -6 option works)15:38
didrocksdoko: I was promoting the at-spi2 to main, I was puzzled why it was already done15:43
didrockssame for atk15:43
dokowell, that's why I added a comment. didn't know that you were archive admin15:44
didrocksdoko: ok, I was puzzled for a minute as I didn't get the bugmail meanwhile, you'll know for next time then :-)15:45
slangasekpitti: thanks for the python-gnome fix :)15:45
ftadoko, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613946/ (from the chromium devs)15:50
dokofta: thanks. could you attach it to the bug report?15:53
ftasure15:54
ftadoko, against binutils?15:54
ftadoko, btw, i filed 2 already last week, and i Cced you15:54
dokofta: works in oneiric. please could you check with the binutils from the ubuntu-toolchain-r ppa?15:57
ftadoko, they need it in the LTS...15:57
dokonot sure I want to do that ...15:59
ftadoko, too bad :( they are forced to recommend all devs to build their own binutils from trunk, for lucid :(15:59
dokofta: 2.21 did need fixes in a lot of packages. can't just update from 2.20 to 2.2116:01
dokowill upload 2.21 to ubuntu-toolchain-r/test16:01
dokowhich bug report did you update?16:04
ftai didn't do it yet16:05
ftadoko, i'm wondering if it's worth it now that you said it won't happen16:05
ftamy problem is with the ubuntu chromium builds for which ld-fbd is now so slow builders timeout, and ld-gold is either not usable or unreliable.16:07
dokothis is bug #67389316:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 673893 in binutils (Ubuntu) "10.04: binutils-gold is out of date" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67389316:08
dokofta: write your own standard output while you see progress on the output file16:08
dokofta: uploaded to ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test (this one already has 2.21)16:29
roel-I'm working with preseeding the ubuntu installation here, and it works fine so far16:42
roel-but:16:42
roel-I would like the installation to prompt for two things: the ip address and the hostname of the new ubuntu installation16:42
roel-but the installer defaults to hostname 'ubuntu' without asking for it16:43
roel-can I force it to ask for a hostname?16:43
roel-where can I find the code for this so I can analyze it?16:43
ftadoko, thanks16:51
cjwatsonstgraber: there's already a netcfg branch for that, and I have a work item to integrate it; it uses wide-dhcpv6-client-udeb16:56
stgrabercjwatson: any reason it uses wide-dhcpv6-client-udev instead of isc-dhcp-client-udev (that handles both v4 and v6 and is already on our CDs)?16:57
cjwatsonstgraber: I don't know off the top of my head, it would be worth going back to the debian-boot@ discussion if you're curious17:01
cjwatsonwe might well be able to use isc-dhcp for it, sure17:01
cyphermoxhi, would someone be so kind as to ACK network-manager from NEW?17:02
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vmlinuzafter I upgraded my Lucid to the latest kernel today, my compiz is freezing from time to time... is there any way to run compiz in debug mode and troubleshoot that? maybe file a bug17:18
micahgdoko: BTW, it seems the s/xulrunner/firefox/ change was dropped again for icedtea-web (currently in depwait)17:56
micahgdoko: re chromium and lucid, can we upload a new binutils with new source/binaries that could be used on demand?18:10
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dokomicahg: sorry, will fix it later this week19:04
micahgdoko: k, thanks19:04
stgrabercjwatson: Just finished doing some tests with isc-dhcp-client-udeb (as I had a WI for that in the ipv6 spec). Seems like we ship it by default but it's not installed by default. Installing it manually gives a working dhcp client for ipv4 and ipv6 (obviously netcfg only knows about the -4 mode)19:09
stgraber(updated the spec with the test results)19:10
stgraberI also tried to find that IPv6 branch of d-i but it looks like the instructions in the ML post aren't working anymore :(19:10
cjwatsonstgraber: right, changing netcfg to depend on isc-dhcp-client-udeb would be sufficient to cause it to be pulled into CD images, mini.iso images, etc.19:28
cjwatsonwe actually only switched to udhcpc recently, AIUI ;-)19:29
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heminHi guys, I want to contribute in development ubuntu operating system.. where should I start from?20:45
iulianhemin: http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/files/study-guide/index.shtml20:47
iulianOups.20:47
iulianI meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing.20:47
heminiulian, thanks!20:49
tumbleweedhemin: and you are welcome to ask lots of questions :) #ubuntu-motu is a good place for that20:50
heminok.. sure i will join #ubuntu-motu20:50
tumbleweedhemin: there's also a new guide in progress: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/packaging-guide/html/20:51
heminok20:52
micahghi ahasenack21:14
ahasenackhi micahg21:14
ahasenackso in natty we have smart-1.3-1.3build1, what version/release should I use for an SRU?21:15
micahgso, for something like 1.3-1.3build1, the version would be 1.3-1.3ubuntu0.1 if it's the only release with that version, if it's a no change rebuild SRU, then 1.3-1.3build221:15
ahasenackmicahg: it will have a code patch21:15
micahgso, 1.3-1.3ubuntu0.1 for natty and 1.3-1.3ubuntu1 for oneiric21:16
ahasenackmicahg: no distro name in it?21:16
micahgahasenack: no, since they will have different versions, the only time to use a distro name in an SRU if for a full version backport21:16
ahasenackmicahg: the released natty and oneiric builds have the exact same version/release21:17
micahgand even then, it's a matter of preference to use the codename or the number21:17
ahasenack1.3-1.3build121:17
tumbleweedahasenack: but you fix it in the devel release before SRUing21:17
ahasenackwell, oneiric wasn't relesaed, ok21:17
micahgahasenack: right, but the oneiric one will follow the standard dev conventions which will make the suffix ubuntu1 and natty will follow SRU conventions with an ubuntu0.1 suffix21:17
ahasenacktumbleweed: yeah, I have to upload it to oneiric too, ok21:17
ahasenackok, and maverick? It has "1.3-1"21:18
ahasenackso, 1.3-1ubuntu0.1?21:18
micahgahasenack: correct!21:18
ahasenackand lucid, which has 1.2-5, will get 1.2-5ubuntu0.1?21:18
micahgahasenack: yep21:18
ahasenackok, I better save these logs21:18
ahasenackmicahg: tumbleweed: thanks21:19
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cr3how can I prepare a package and all its dependencies on a usb key so that it can be installed offline, knowing the target release for example?21:49
sorencr3: apt-offline21:50
cr3soren: thanks dude, checking it out21:50
sorencr3: Sure thing.21:52
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hallynhm, quilt upgrade not working with trees created under previous quilt?22:32
hallynoh, no.  that's not it.  i guess my crash yesterday cost me some file integrity.22:35
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