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| TheMuso | c | 03:09 |
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| soaringsky | can someone please review my package packtools in revu? | 05:23 |
| soaringsky | can someone please review my package packtools in revu? | 06:55 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:52 |
| iulian | Morning dholbach. | 08:19 |
| * iulian yawns. | 08:19 | |
| dholbach | hi iulian | 08:20 |
| * dholbach yawns too | 08:20 | |
| * Laney stretches | 09:07 | |
| Laney | dholbach: hey! how are you? | 09:37 |
| dholbach | Laney, excellent - thanks - how about you? | 09:38 |
| Laney | I came across the packaging tutorial of lucas the other day http://people.debian.org/~laney/packaging-tutorial/ | 09:38 |
| Laney | I wonder if we could rob the (concept of) exercises | 09:38 |
| Laney | yeah good, enjoying a bank holiday :-) | 09:38 |
| dholbach | nice | 09:38 |
| dholbach | yeah, sounds good to me - can you file a bug about it? | 09:38 |
| Laney | i shall try | 09:39 |
| lucas | it would be better if you contributed to it, rather than robbing from it;) | 09:39 |
| hrw | morning | 09:40 |
| hrw | can someone tell me what for revu-uploaders group exists? | 09:41 |
| hrw | it is listed as 'no longer necessary' but each 'ubuntu contributor' becames member of it. | 09:41 |
| Laney | lucas: heh, it's not exactly the same | 09:41 |
| Laney | presentation vs. html guide | 09:41 |
| Laney | it's in the same ball park though (learning material), so ... | 09:41 |
| geser | hrw: just ignore it, it was used in the past before REVU could import gpg keys from LP for fresh uploaders | 09:43 |
| Laney | can we delete it? | 09:44 |
| geser | sure but better get an ACK from a REVU admin | 09:45 |
| Laney | well they'll need to do it anyways | 09:45 |
| Laney | as the team owner | 09:45 |
| Laney | RainCT ajmitch siretart: ^^^ (should ~revu-uploaders be deleted?) | 09:46 |
| hrw | geser: I am ignoring it but it took me 1h to find out why I got emails from launchpad abouting rejecting adding group XY to group ZD. | 09:50 |
| hrw | geser: when I was never added directly either to XY or ZD one. | 09:51 |
| AnAnt | Hello | 09:52 |
| AnAnt | Laney: congrats ! | 09:52 |
| hrw | btw - can someone tell me did I got my PPU permissions or should I just check with dput? | 09:57 |
| Laney | use the edit_acl.py line I gave you before | 09:58 |
| hrw | Laney: it gives me python backtrace only | 09:58 |
| Laney | doesn't look like it was applied | 09:58 |
| Laney | you can poke someone on the TB to do it | 09:59 |
| hrw | TB? | 09:59 |
| Laney | tech board | 09:59 |
| hrw | ok | 09:59 |
| hrw | thx | 10:00 |
| sladen | hrw: PPA? | 10:05 |
| geser | sladen: PPU = Per-Package Upload rights != PPA | 10:06 |
| nigelb | Laney: hi | 10:23 |
| nigelb | The other day when I was fixing the FTBFS, I used the packaging guide. | 10:23 |
| nigelb | I was inside the UDD thing, and I couldn't see the other options | 10:23 |
| nigelb | The confusing bit was getting to see the main item before and after the item I was in. | 10:24 |
| nigelb | I'd rather have the entire TOC on the left sidebar | 10:24 |
| Laney | that would quickly get huge | 10:26 |
| Laney | unless it collapsed the other sections or something | 10:26 |
| Laney | anyway I think we use whatever sphinx gives us for this — maybe you could see if it's possible to change it? | 10:27 |
| nigelb | yeah, I'm looking to see if I can have collapsed list of the TOC | 10:27 |
| nigelb | Its not immediately apparent that the "Table of Contents" is clickable. This is despite the fact that I use sphinx a lot. | 10:28 |
| nigelb | Also, I'm thinking of having an activity to get all the FTBFS that are due to the as-need change, list them somewhere and blog about how they need fixing and folks interested can pop in here and ask for help. | 10:28 |
| nigelb | This involves going through all the build logs, so I'd take some time to build that list :) | 10:29 |
| Laney | sounds good | 10:29 |
| Laney | you might be able to grep them a bit | 10:29 |
| nigelb | ah, that might help. My idea was to open all the build logs from the ftbfs page and look at their reason for failure | 10:31 |
| Laney | I imagine downloading them can be scripted :-) | 10:35 |
| nigelb | I believe, yes. I'll take a look when I get home. If I'm stuck I guess I can ask for help :) | 10:37 |
| geser | nigelb: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/oneiric.csv might help you a little bit with this task, it contains one line for each package and failure type | 11:27 |
| geser | as the linking error will affect all architectures looking into one logfile per package should be enough | 11:28 |
| nigelb | geser: woah, yes! I could just filter out all the build failures that fails on archs and then pick up the i386 logs and compile the list :D | 11:29 |
| siretart | Laney: I think RainCT should answer this. I think so, but I haven't looked at REVU implementation for quite some time now | 11:29 |
| nigelb | *on all archs | 11:29 |
| geser | nigelb: that file was meant as a source for "harvest" but I don't know if it ever was used | 11:33 |
| nigelb | geser: ah! | 11:34 |
| nigelb | geser: I was looking forward to a night of reading BeautifulSoup, this makes it simpler :) | 11:35 |
| RainCT | Laney, siretart: Yeah, ~revu-uploaders isn't used for anything. I'm fine with removing it. | 15:11 |
| Laney | RainCT: cool, (one of) you will have to do it then ;-) | 15:15 |
| RainCT | Laney: done | 15:27 |
| Laney | nice | 15:27 |
| Laney | cheers | 15:27 |
| * Laney enjoys cruft busting | 15:27 | |
| iulian | Of course you do. :) | 15:30 |
| * Laney fluffles iulian | 15:30 | |
| * Laney looks at haskell-pkg-graph.pdf | 15:31 | |
| * DktrKranz looks at it too | 15:31 | |
| Laney | so close! | 15:31 |
| DktrKranz | \o/ | 15:31 |
| micahg | Laney: bdrung_ : instead of dropping syncpackage, can we rename it to fakesync? it's very useful for that still | 17:47 |
| Laney | when sync-in-soyuz comes it can just DTRT automatically | 17:49 |
| micahg | Laney: even for fakesync? cool | 17:49 |
| Laney | doesn't it already detect that? | 17:49 |
| micahg | bdrung_: I test built eclipse 3.6 on amd64 yesterday, can I sync it over from experimental | 17:50 |
| micahg | Laney: synchelper doesn't allow it ATM, so they have to be done manually still, idk about sync-in-souyz | 17:50 |
| Laney | I thought syncpackage did detect it, hmm | 17:51 |
| micahg | Laney: no, it does, that's why I suggested the rename :) | 17:51 |
| Laney | ah | 17:52 |
| Laney | basically I think that it's not worth removing/renaming only to resurrect in the near future when sync-in-soyuz lands | 17:52 |
| micahg | k, I didn't know that "feature" will be there as well | 17:54 |
| Laney | makes sense to provide the same interface | 17:55 |
| ScottK | If you've seen the LP blog post that mentioned 'derived distributions', that's the thing that will have the magic sync button. | 17:56 |
| Laney | yep, all signs indicate it is close | 17:58 |
| cjwatson | Laney: I don't think sync-in-soyuz will replace fakesync | 17:59 |
| cjwatson | but it's true, having syncpackage do the API thing for sync-in-soyuz rather than having to go through the website would be a useful thing to do | 18:00 |
| Laney | cjwatson: no I wasn't saying that — just that the 'syncpackage' tool will be able to detect what to do | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | agreed | 18:00 |
| Laney | one interface for (fake)syncing | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | since the LP UI for it will (from what I've seen) be oriented around synchronising one distribution with another, more than around individual source packages | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | I'd rather recommend that developers use the API for it, and then we can provide tools that advise on Ubuntu policy | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | the LP UI will be more generic | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | (so I think I'm agreeing with you, just verbosely) | 18:01 |
| Laney | I wasn't thinking about the Launchpad UI at all (as I have no idea what that will be beyond what you've said) | 18:03 |
| Laney | but it sounds like only a small part of this work is about 'syncing' as we know it | 18:04 |
| Laney | ...lost my thread on this haskell update | 18:05 |
| * Laney scrabbles around a bit | 18:05 | |
| cjwatson | I don't think it's secret or anything, but I don't have a screenshot | 18:08 |
| cjwatson | you might be able to find it on staging.launchpad.net | 18:08 |
| cjwatson | sorry, I mean dogfood | 18:09 |
| cjwatson | https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+localpackagediffs | 18:09 |
| cjwatson | usual disclaimers on use of dogfood.lp.net apply though, and I seriously doubt changes there go anywhere near the production database :) | 18:10 |
| cjwatson | I gave bigjools lots of feedback at UDS; I don't know how much of it has been implemented | 18:10 |
| evaluate | micahg, ping? | 19:22 |
| micahg | evaluate: pong, I haven't forgotten about you :) | 19:23 |
| evaluate | ok, wasn't sure if you've seen my previous message. | 19:23 |
| micahg | evaluate: which one? | 19:23 |
| evaluate | I was wondering because I've noticed that 1.4.0 has been merge to oneiric, but the patch hasn't been applied to natty, or does that just need a bit more time? | 19:24 |
| micahg | evaluate: no, that's just waiting for me to upload which I'll do this week | 19:24 |
| evaluate | ohh, ok. That was all, thank you! :-) | 19:24 |
| micahg | evaluate: you're welcome, should be uploaded by wed at the latest | 19:26 |
| evaluate | No hurry here, like I said I was just wondering and thought you may have forgotten about the natty SRU after upgrading oneiric. | 19:27 |
| c_korn | can I simulate dpkg -i somehow? | 20:17 |
| evaluate | Define simulate... | 20:18 |
| jtaylor | c_korn: if you want to keep your system clean use a chroot | 20:19 |
| c_korn | no, like apt-get -s install. I only want to see whether installation would fail or not | 20:19 |
| paultag | c_korn: --dry-run | 20:19 |
| paultag | or --simulate | 20:19 |
| paultag | c_korn: check the man page, type "/simulate" | 20:19 |
| c_korn | I already use a chroot but thanks for the tip | 20:19 |
| paultag | c_korn: it's the first hit | 20:19 |
| c_korn | oh, my bad. thanks. | 20:20 |
| paultag | c_korn: no problem. good luck | 20:20 |
| evaluate | paultag, hi :-) | 20:21 |
| * paultag waves to evaluate | 20:21 | |
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| highvoltage | that sounds so meta | 21:14 |
| ajmitch | highvoltage: hm? | 21:14 |
| paultag | highvoltage: hehehehe | 21:14 |
| highvoltage | (paultage waving to evaluate) | 21:14 |
| paultag | highvoltage: How's things? | 21:15 |
| highvoltage | paultag: good and you? | 21:16 |
| paultag | highvoltage: not too shabby. Just moving home and stuff. Finally "settled", but my development machine is still offline :( | 21:16 |
| paultag | so just hacking on the netbook while I figure out what to make a table out of | 21:17 |
| paultag | I'm wicked in-and-out | 21:17 |
| highvoltage | where did you move to? | 21:18 |
| paultag | highvoltage: back home, from Ohio. I have one photo up on my fb if you want to check out the view | 21:19 |
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| Laney | bdrung_: can uupdate use (or get its own version of) DEBCHANGE_DISTRIBUTOR? | 22:47 |
| Laney | it's a bit annoying to get 0ubuntu1 | 22:47 |
| * Laney hassles the new devscripts comaintainer :-) | 22:48 | |
| bdrung_ | Laney: i think we should standardize it somehow. maybe DEB_VENDOR which can be overridden by --vendor=X or --debian or --ubuntu (same for dch) | 22:50 |
| Laney | that would be better indeed | 22:51 |
| bdrung_ | Laney: the next item on my devscripts todo list is to merge the debchange changes in a sane way and make it usable for both targets | 22:51 |
| bdrung_ | Laney: the problem with debchange is that all short parameter are already taken (-d, -u) | 22:52 |
| Laney | --distributor works fine for me now, not so fussed about a short name; I'd rather have a way to turn off all of the ubuntu specifics | 22:57 |
| stgraber | bdrung_: I'm sure there's plenty of utf-8 chars that haven't been used yet ;) | 22:57 |
| Laney | yes! | 22:57 |
| Laney | dch -☹ | 22:57 |
| stgraber | -★ ? :) | 22:59 |
| bdrung_ | stgraber: ansi is preferred. | 22:59 |
| bdrung_ | how about -\n or -- | 22:59 |
| stgraber | \0 ? | 23:00 |
| bdrung_ | -\0 for Debian and -\1 for Ubuntu :D | 23:00 |
| stgraber | yeah1 | 23:00 |
| stgraber | ! | 23:00 |
| paultag | dch -♥ | 23:01 |
| bdrung_ | paultag: impossible. some will say that this maps to --debian, but other to --ubuntu ;) | 23:01 |
| stgraber | that's for --force right ? :) | 23:01 |
| paultag | bdrung_: :) | 23:02 |
| Laney | that's for --nmu | 23:02 |
| paultag | Oh jeez. `dch -→' | 23:02 |
| stgraber | doh, why is it always Debian who gets the fancy utf-8 options? (we'll have to introduce the concept of maintainers and NMU to Ubuntu then ...) :) | 23:03 |
| paultag | I'm pretty sure ♥, → are both ASCII :) | 23:03 |
| cjwatson | dch -– (look closely ...) | 23:03 |
| paultag | cjwatson: that's a goodun :) | 23:03 |
| paultag | thank the FSM for monospace fonts :) | 23:03 |
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