[00:00] <Azelphur> penguin42: well I'm obviously on the extreme end of the cheap, http://bit.ly/j2onHH
[00:00] <Azelphur> being so close to a big farm
[00:00] <penguin42> oh cool, now we have the ICBM location
[00:01] <Azelphur> oshi- :p
[00:02] <hamitron> how much was a node using again?
[00:02] <penguin42> hamitron: about 22ow
[00:02] <Azelphur> 220ish
[00:02] <hamitron> k
[00:02] <Azelphur> penguin42: I've clocked up the GPU's and underclocked the memory too
[00:02] <Azelphur> so they are running at 960/320 instead of the stock 850/1200
[00:03] <hamitron> my main complaint with the 5870.... don't have a crossfire board to use them in
[00:03] <hamitron> :D
[00:03] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:03] <Azelphur> hamitron: my main pc is tri sli ready :)
[00:04] <Azelphur> for when nvidia wakes up and fixes the Linux drivers
[00:04] <hamitron> my pc prob cost only a little more than your motherboard
[00:04] <hamitron> ;)
[00:04] <Azelphur> then I'll up to 5 or 6 monitors and SLI
[00:04] <hamitron> <-- Mr Cheap
[00:04] <Azelphur> hamitron: haha, E-Dracon on my channel calls my motherboard the "OH MY GOD TOO MANY SLOTS" motherboard
[00:04] <shauno> I'm not sure I'd put my money behind nvidia not creating weak drivers ;)
[00:05] <Azelphur> shauno: hense why I've still got an 8800GT in the machine
[00:05] <Azelphur> instead of 3 GTX570's
[00:05] <hamitron> weak drivers?
[00:05] <Azelphur> shauno: when they fix up multi display and multi monitor SLI in Linux
[00:06] <Azelphur> I'd love to start tri screen gaming in wine :)
[00:06] <Azelphur> wine can handle it, I've done it before in a somewhat uglyhack way
[00:06] <hamitron> and you can sell me your spare screen? ;)
[00:06] <Azelphur> hamitron: spare? I'd have to buy an extra monitor to account for the loss of one of my IRC monitors :p
[00:06] <hamitron> or give if you make millions on bitcoin \o/
[00:06] <Azelphur> I'd go up to 5 or maybe 6 monitors
[00:06] <hamitron> haha
[00:07] <hamitron> you will need a circular desk, with a lift from the room downstairs to get inside
[00:07] <Azelphur> hamitron: that's my what to build when I get rich thing
[00:07] <shauno> naw, 2x3
[00:08] <hamitron> would it not be cheaper to have some sort of helmet with virtual reality?
[00:08] <hamitron> :/
[00:08] <Azelphur> hamitron: haha, maybe :P
[00:08] <shauno> it'd be cheaper just to buy decent-sized monitors in the first place :)
[00:08] <Azelphur> but the resolution would need to be good
[00:08] <hamitron> haha
[00:08] <Azelphur> shauno: it's resolution I crave tbh
[00:09] <Azelphur> those 2560x1600 displays...shiny :o
[00:09] <hamitron> he only wants a higher resolution, so my internet struggles to download his screenshits ;)
[00:09] <hamitron> screenshots*
[00:09] <Azelphur> hamitron: it's true, my screenshits are epic.
[00:09] <hamitron> :D
[00:10] <Azelphur> hamitron: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/2010-05-10-182013_7680x1200_scrot.png here you go :D
[00:10] <hamitron> does that have anything useful on it? ;/
[00:10] <Azelphur> nope lol
[00:11]  * hamitron sighs
[00:13] <shauno> that screenshot really makes it look like a game of willy-waving, tbh
[00:22] <shauno> this is really starting to bug me .. I can't find my x-plane disks anywhere
[00:22] <shauno> never understood why people are so attached to physical media.  it only ends up like this :/
[00:28] <hamitron> shauno: I have all mine boxed
[00:28] <hamitron> ;)
[00:28] <hamitron> then a cd wallet with copies
[00:28] <hamitron> DRM stops me having working copies of some :/
[00:30] <shauno> yeah, I've struggled making copies of these too
[00:30] <shauno> well, I only tried twice before I decided DL dvds were too expensive
[00:31] <hamitron> lucky for me, I don't have many new games
[00:33] <shauno> old games tend to be easier because they tend to be small & simple enough to just find a new copy online
[00:34] <shauno> so, I've found dvds labelled 2, 3, 5 & 6.  ugh.
[00:34] <hamitron> :)
[00:34] <hamitron> cdr are cheap too
[00:34] <hamitron> ;)
[00:34] <hamitron> "cdr, wtf are them?"
[00:34] <hamitron> :D
[00:35] <shauno> I don't tend to put them on cdr either.  if I found them, I can find them again
[00:35]  * hamitron is a sucker for the cereal box games
[00:36] <shauno> it's been a loooong time since I had anything properly boxed
[00:37] <shauno> I keep finding manuals of old games diving around my office.  that doesn't happen anymore.  you're lucky if you get a pdf on the cd :/  usually, just a link to publish.com/support/
[00:39] <shauno> well, found disk 4.  sadly I knew disk 1 wasn't going to be with them, because you need disk 1 to play it
[01:14] <ging> does anyone know how to renew a dynamic ipv6 ip?
[01:16] <shauno> do you know how it was assigned in the first place?
[01:18] <shauno> I mean, are you using dhcpv6, or radv, or ..?
[01:50] <ging> radvd
[01:50] <shauno> most chances you simply don't then.  the IP isn't really dynamic, it's generated
[01:52] <shauno> the local part (last 4 segments) of the address is your mac address, with some padding
[01:54] <shauno> hah ..
[01:54] <shauno> "Finally, you need 2 posts (replies to existing threads) in order to be allowed to start a new topic. This is a security feature to prevent automatic spamming."
[01:54] <shauno> some <expletive>ing support that is
[02:19] <shauno> hamitron: this'd make you cry.  a game that's 75Gb for a full install :p
[02:19] <hamitron> download only? ;)
[02:20] <shauno> hah, nah .. same one I was diving for dvds for
[02:20] <hamitron> what game?
[02:20] <hamitron> tbh, I ahve no problem, if I have disks
[02:20] <hamitron> apart from having to clear junk off my hdd each time
[02:20] <hamitron> ;)
[02:21] <hamitron> my internet would die for a month, if I had to download that :/
[02:21] <shauno> x-plane, a flight sim.  it's about 600Mb + scenery.  looooots and lots of scenery
[02:21] <shauno> (lots and lots of optional scenery, I should add)
[02:25] <hamitron> shauno: is it good?
[02:25] <hamitron> just looking
[02:25] <hamitron> :)
[02:25] <shauno> it's not half bad.  I think I still prefered msfs, but this runs on windows/osx/linux natively
[02:29] <hamitron> I bought Fly! years ago, but never had a comp to run it at the time
[02:47] <shauno> now there's a fun jump; linux 3.0-rc1 is out
[02:47] <shauno> well, not out, branched
[02:47] <shauno> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary
[02:52] <hamitron> what are the planned changes?
[02:54] <shauno> *shrugs* a bigger number?
[02:56] <shauno> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 apparently, but it's groaning atm
[02:57] <ging> where might i find info about hardware errors other than dmesg ?
[03:02] <hamitron> Alan Cox has said about removing some old drivers :-o
[03:02] <hamitron> not confirmed, just a rumour
[03:02] <hamitron> ;)
[03:03]  * hamitron looks at his ISA slots
[04:30] <shauno> irc is a bit boring at 4am.  the yanks are slacking!
[04:40] <Pendulum> shauno: it's because it's a holiday here and a holiday that people actually do stuff for and with morning parades so people get up relatively early
[04:41] <shauno> that's no excuse :/  I have to do things tomorrow too
[04:43] <Pendulum> maybe we're just boring people too :P
[04:44] <shauno> I accidentally ended up in a parade over there.  it was a whole lot less fun than watching
[04:44] <Pendulum> haha
[04:44] <Pendulum> what holiday?
[04:45] <shauno> labor day
[04:45] <shauno> the other big one :)
[04:45] <Pendulum> *snort*
[04:45] <Pendulum> no parade in my town on labour day :P
[04:45] <Pendulum> although I've done a fair bit of parade marching myself (all Memorial Day ones) and I do tend to agree that it's less fun. Especially when it's 25C and you're in a wool uniform
[04:46] <shauno> labor day's the one at the other end of summer, right?
[04:46] <Pendulum> yes
[04:46] <Pendulum> most people just have BBQs for that one
[04:46] <Pendulum> dunno if NYC has a parade because I always left the city for the weekend
[04:46] <shauno> I lived in a small town that was a honeytrap for rich tourists on boats from chicago
[04:47] <Pendulum> ah, okay
[04:47] <shauno> so they used any excuse they could to pull people into main street
[04:47] <Pendulum> right
[04:47] <Pendulum> like Disney, but you had to live there :P
[04:47] <ball> shauno: Are you on the lake then?
[04:47] <shauno> ball: not anymore, but yeah
[04:47] <ball> shauno: Where are you now then?
[04:47] <shauno> ireland :)
[04:48] <ball> I was talking to some customers today who had recently come back from Ireland
[04:48] <ball> I've only been there once but I liked it.
[04:48] <shauno> I've only been here once, but I haven't managed to leave yet :/
[04:49] <shauno> I used to live http://goo.gl/maps/l1yS
[04:49] <shauno> until my mother decided she wanted to move to alaska, and I decided it sounded like a good time to leave home
[04:50] <Pendulum> Alaska is supposedly quite nice in summer
[04:50] <Pendulum> but, yeah, not sure I'd want to live there
[04:50] <shauno> oh it looks amazing.  I really want to visit one day
[04:50] <shauno> but yeah.  winter?  michigan was bad enough for me
[04:50] <Pendulum> my parents went to Alaska last summer. Drove from Connecticut
[04:51] <Pendulum> their photos are stunning
[04:51] <Pendulum> but when I go I am so not driving cross-country
[04:51] <shauno> mom did that.  they got some nice photos in montana.  and the ferry.
[04:51] <shauno> other than that, there really is a whole lot of SFA in the middle
[04:53] <shauno> I really didn't like driving in the states because of that.  anything worth seeing is interspersed with 12+ hours (sometimes days) of staring at cruise control, trying not to fall asleep
[04:53] <Pendulum> heh
[04:53] <Pendulum> it's not so bad if you're on the east coast
[04:54] <ball> shauno: Illinois is cold enough.
[04:54] <shauno> I fell asleep the first time I drove to indiana :/  that was a pretty harsh lesson
[04:55] <shauno> (not a dramatic one, just the gut-wrenching moment when you hit a soft shoulder at 80mph)
[04:55]  * ball nods
[04:55] <shauno> crap way to wake up
[04:58] <ball> At least I don't have to shovel snow for a few months yet.
[04:58] <shauno> doesn't happen here :)  drive 5 hours, hit the edge and turn around :)
[05:03] <ball> btw.  What is "bike shedding"?
[05:04] <shauno> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding
[05:05] <shauno> never heard the term before either, but if you're seeing it where I think you are, the context looks about right
[05:05] <ball> That's funny.  I've been using BSD for years and never heard that until I started listening to the Ubuntu UK podcast.
[07:38] <brianb_> hi
[07:40] <brianb_> have a question re compiling  kernel: Question) if you wanted to compile a newer version kernel what version does the GCC have to be i.e. does it have to be the latest version?
[09:06] <popey> http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/30/asus-brings-out-extra-skinny-eee-pc-x101-running-meego-hands-on/
[09:06] <nigelb> Morning folks
[09:07] <popey> lo
[09:11] <dwatkins> mornin all
[09:12]  * ball waves
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:18] <awilkins> Bah, bank holiday and I have a lovely bank holiday cold.
[10:20] <dwatkins> bah, awilkins
[10:32] <daubers> Morning
[10:40] <daubers> nom nom nom homemade bread
[10:41] <awilkins> Sounds good. Might get the breadmaker out and do some foccacia
[10:42] <awilkins> With salt and rosemary sprinkles, natch
[10:47] <daubers> awilkins: I handmade this for a change :)
[10:56]  * daubers potters into town
[11:13] <kvarley> Can anybody recommend a usb headset? Looking for one which is likely to work with Ubuntu - I'm going for USB since I've never had any luck with the audio jack based ones before
[11:14] <awilkins> Someone here blogs about his Logitech USB 250 just working .. http://nozell.com/blog/2006/09/13/logitech-usb-headset-ubuntulinux/
[11:17] <awilkins> What I need is an adaptor for the RJ11 port on a Cisco VoIP phone...
[11:17] <awilkins> .. looks like the only way to get one is to buy a freaking crimper and make one yourself
[11:19] <awilkins> Hmm. Or go to your friendly neighbourhood geek lab for tools ..
[11:19] <kvarley> awilkins: I just tested an audio jack based mic and it worked so might get the sennheiser one I wanted =) thanks for the link
[11:19] <awilkins> kvarley, Excellent, glad your drivers are working straight
[11:20] <kvarley> awilkins: The never used to so just shows how Ubuntu is more awesome than ever :)
[11:22] <awilkins> kvarley, It just confirms to me that driver problems are the number one annoyance to the average person
[11:29] <oimon> which is the best choice for a simple and stable video editor?
[11:29] <oimon> openshot? pitivi?
[11:30] <awilkins> Only one I've used is Kino
[11:30] <ormiret> oimon: I use kdenlive most of the time
[11:30] <awilkins> Mostly because it drives DV cameras via the firewire port
[11:31] <oimon> i used kino to extract the dv files but it was quite crashy
[11:33] <oimon> hmmm just noticed that pitivi is already installed on my lucid box
[11:36] <oimon> only seems to export in theora format
[11:36] <gord> yup
[11:37] <oimon> sucks :(
[11:39] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:40] <awilkins> My pitivi seems to support Dirac and VP8 also
[11:41] <oimon> awilkins: i noticed dirac but i don't recognise that format
[11:41] <awilkins> And whatever ffmpeg container formats I have installed
[11:41] <oimon> trying openshot now
[11:41] <awilkins> Try changing the container, they have their own codecs
[11:42] <awilkins> Dirac is a wavelet codec developed by the BBC
[11:42] <awilkins> It's not especially popular, but it is patent free and open source
[11:42] <oimon> awilkins: doh i didn't notice the container changes things
[11:42] <awilkins> I saw a reasonably impressive encode of Big Buck Bunny in Dirac
[11:43] <awilkins> oimon, It wasn't immediately obvious, was it
[11:44] <oimon> nope, and i rarely edit video on ubuntu since i usually just take clips on my phone
[11:44] <oimon> thought i would save some 10 yr old video from the digital cassettes i have lying around
[11:44] <oimon> i wonder what formats will be useful in future
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> oimon: mpeg (2,4), jpeg, png are good guesses for long-term formats
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> Lots of inertia
[11:48] <oimon> ok thx
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: and if you want to be sure (and have disk space to burn) also a lossless format (png, flac, don't know one for video :)
[11:48] <awilkins> I'd probably go with MPEG4, most things support it now, even a lot of consumer DVD players
[11:48] <oimon> anyone notice a tearing/ horizontal lines effect after importing from dv cameras? seen it a lot on win and linux
[11:49] <awilkins> Interlace
[11:49] <awilkins> Like a comb?
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> oimon: that's interlaced
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> you'll have to deinterlace, or use interlaced formats all the way through (so your TV can properly deinterlace)
[11:52] <oimon> MartijnVdS: like this http://ubuntuone.com/p/wR0/
[11:52] <oimon> that's an extreme case
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: is that during horizontal movement?
[11:53] <awilkins> Definitely interlace
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> it looks like some deinterlacing is being done, but the wrong algorithm was chosen
[11:53] <oimon> yes
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> http://www.100fps.com/
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: read that page :)
[11:54] <gord> for the bitcoin fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcn8cNCk9hM
[11:55] <awilkins> Total Che Guevara wannabe beard....
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> gord: is that you in the video?>
[11:57] <gord> i am not bitcoin rich :P
[11:57] <gord> or have a turtles bandana
[11:57]  * awilkins has 0.02 bitcoins, he thinks
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: hah, me too
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: from the faucet?
[11:57] <awilkins> Yup, from the faucet
[12:03] <awilkins> Germany are shutting all their nuke plants by 2022. We're either all i) doomed or ii) saved
[12:04] <awilkins> i) Because demands to follow suit from other democratic nations will create an enormous demand for more fossil fuels in electricity
[12:05] <awilkins> ii) Because people will devote more effort to actually fixing the energy problem (hopefully with research into fusion)
[12:06] <oimon> ok after exporting from the video editor, it seems to have been deinterlaced and the effect is minimal
[12:06] <gord> iii) be fine because i don't live in germany
[12:07]  * jacobw thinks ii)
[12:07] <jacobw> and iii)
[12:16] <gord> the great thing about working in an online company is that you can log in during your bank holidays just to look at all the poor people who live in different countries having to work ;)
[13:17] <jacobw> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/05/30/0237259/Linus-Renames-2640-Kernel-To-Linux-30-Announces-Release-Candidate
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> Love the release email
[13:27] <nperry> !minecraft
[13:28] <nperry> :<
[13:29]  * jacobw is surprised we don't have a factoid for minecraft
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> Don't feed the addiciton
[13:39] <dutchie> nperry: #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[15:57] <czajkowski> Aloha
[16:07] <daubers> o/
[16:07]  * daubers wonders where he put the spray paint
[16:27] <daubers> smells like spray paint in that room now
[16:27] <daubers> smells like pink elephants
[16:30] <penguin42> do pink elephants smell different from grey ones?
[16:31] <penguin42> daubers: Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBnyM1l8B8o&playnext=1&list=PLA40981174343B8D3
[16:32] <daubers> penguin42: Maybe not quite like that...
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> daubers: When will you decide on library/geeknic date? :)
[17:09] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Ooooh... good point. Should do that this evening really
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (so I can book my ticket/hotel/etc. :))
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> daubers: sounds like a good time to decide :)
[17:12] <daubers> I'll give it to late this evening and then close it. Looks like Sat 23rd July will be best at the minute :)
[17:13] <dutchie> ooh, no
[17:13]  * dutchie will be in torquay :(
[17:13]  * dutchie quickly votes on doodle
[17:13] <daubers> Heh
[17:16] <dutchie> daubers: bump on the ML too?
[17:16] <daubers> dutchie: Good idea
[17:17] <daubers> Sent
[17:51] <brianb_> have a question re compiling  kernel: Question) if you wanted to compile a newer version kernel what version does the GCC have to be i.e. does it have to be the latest version?
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> brianb_: Follow this guide if you really want to compile your own kernels: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[17:54]  * DJones checks the cricket score and finds that England have beaten Sri Lanka after taking 8 wickets in an hour, didn't expect that, thought it was an easy draw after both sides batting
[17:55] <penguin42> brianb_: Normally no
[17:56] <penguin42> brianb_: Normally the kernel works with a reasonable range of gcc's, but every so often there is a gcc bug found where the kernel guys just give up on it
[18:26] <brianb_> thanks penguin42
[20:06] <ando> Has ubuntu updated network manager recentkly?
[20:07] <ando> I just turned on my PC after an update and now my network settings have all changed and as far as I can tell the network settings dialog is different
[20:08] <ando> And very buggy... and nmapplet is no longer installed :(
[20:39] <Azelphur> popey: was it you that had the nice power usage graphs for your house?
[20:46] <jacobw> hmm, nm-applet should be updated between releases should it?
[20:50] <shauno> doesn't look like it; network-manager-gnome is in natty, but not natty-updates
[20:50] <shauno> (and the last entry in the changelog is 23 march)
[20:51] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=network-manager-gnome
[20:52] <diplo> Evening all
[20:52] <popey> Azelphur: i do have a power graph, yes
[20:52] <Azelphur> popey: cool, what did you use to do it / how much does it cost?
[20:52] <shauno> so he shouldn't be getting a new one unless he's subscribed to oneiric.
[20:53] <popey> i have a currentcost
[20:53] <popey> and a usb cable
[20:53] <popey> http://www.currentcost.com/where-to-buy.html
[20:55] <Azelphur> popey: ty :)
[20:55] <diplo> Any one tried building Syncany successfully ?
[20:56] <czajkowski> evening lovelies
[20:56] <AlanBell> o/
[21:01] <jacobw> yeah, perhaps he's accidentally dist-upgraded
[21:02] <jacobw> 'all watched over by machines of loving grace' is on bbc2 now
[21:02] <jacobw> it should be anyway, i've not actually tuned in yet..
[21:04] <popey> i note he calls is nmapplet, it's nm-applet
[21:05] <jacobw> i looked that up before i said anything, i assumed it was a typo on his part.
[21:49] <ali1234> what software is there for making server graphs besides mrtg and cacti, both of which are horribly over engineered and way too difficult to set up?
[22:30] <Laney> rrdtool is often used to generate the graphs
[22:33] <ali1234> i'm writing my own rrdtool scripts now
[22:33] <ali1234> it seems much easier than using cacti
[23:46] <ali1234> well according to rrdtool my cpu is at "10 m" degrees C