[01:33] <radjahzik> in cant use the fonction alt tab
[01:34] <holstein> radjahzik: control+atl+tab?
[01:34] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[01:35] <radjahzik> to use alt tab or ctrol alt tab with compiz
[01:35] <radjahzik> on
[01:36] <holstein> sure
[01:36] <holstein> but, what are you trying to do?
[01:36] <radjahzik> why this question ?
[01:36] <holstein> radjahzik: because i dont know what you are trying to do
[01:36] <radjahzik> to select windows open
[01:37] <holstein> i mean, if you trying to hit the alt+tab keys
[01:37] <holstein> just hit em
[01:37] <radjahzik> mad ealt tab
[01:37] <holstein> if you want them to do something
[01:37] <holstein> then tell me what you want them to do
[01:37] <holstein> and i can help with that :)
[01:37] <radjahzik> ^^
[01:38] <holstein> radjahzik: alt+tab works with or without compiz
[01:38] <radjahzik> but it work just without compiz to me
[01:39] <radjahzik> i have uninstall compiz and install
[01:39] <holstein> radjahzik: maybe you dont have compiz running
[01:39] <radjahzik> i have compiz fusion icon to pass metacity to compiz
[01:40] <holstein> that doesnt mean its running
[01:40] <holstein> and that doesnt mean your graphics card supports 3d in linux
[01:40] <radjahzik> yes
[01:40] <radjahzik> but no
[01:41] <holstein> i would start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[01:43] <holstein> radjahzik: one easy check is, hit the superkey+e
[01:43] <holstein> if you see a fancy graphic, then compiz is running
[01:43] <radjahzik> e
[01:43] <radjahzik> eeeee
[01:43] <radjahzik> nothing
[01:44] <holstein> right
[01:44] <holstein> so, compiz is not running
[01:44] <radjahzik> ???
[01:44] <holstein> compiz/
[01:44] <radjahzik> ??, i have the cube
[01:44] <radjahzik> ??? $
[01:44] <holstein> radjahzik: yeah?
[01:44] <holstein> well, you probably messed with the shortcuts then
[01:44] <radjahzik> why super key +e
[01:44] <holstein> the default shortcut keys
[01:45] <holstein> super+e should be expo
[01:45] <holstein> by default
[01:45] <radjahzik> yes
[01:45] <holstein> radjahzik: i mean, mess with them all you want
[01:45] <holstein> its just, when you wonder why alt+tab doesnt work
[01:45] <holstein> thats why*
[01:45] <radjahzik> you are realy cool
[01:45] <holstein> lol
[01:45] <holstein> radjahzik: you are :)
[01:45] <radjahzik> why you help me
[01:46] <radjahzik> its your job ?
[01:46] <holstein> why do i help you?
[01:46] <holstein> radjahzik: nah
[01:46] <holstein> nobody here gets paid to support ubuntustudio
[01:46] <radjahzik> so realy cool
[01:46] <holstein> its my way of giving back to the community that im passionate about
[01:47] <radjahzik> the solution : dont use compiz
[01:47] <radjahzik> :)
[01:47] <holstein> radjahzik: thats one way ;)
[01:47] <radjahzik> but the help come better for the other after
[01:47] <radjahzik> :
[01:48] <radjahzik> i can deselect him
[01:48] <radjahzik> and ...
[01:48] <radjahzik> i have more problem with samba and share files
[01:48] <radjahzik> i use samba in a clic
[01:49] <radjahzik> i clic right on a files and script rw
[01:49] <holstein> cool
[01:49] <radjahzik> that gone share to the other linux
[01:49] <holstein> samba can be challenging
[01:49] <holstein> good for you
[01:50] <radjahzik> but when a restart the other linux dont see me , im obliged to share again after a rebooting ???
[01:50] <radjahzik> is it normal ?
[01:51] <holstein> you shouldnt have to do that
[01:51] <holstein> radjahzik: you might want to find a loco channel
[01:51] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[01:51] <holstein> you are more than welcome to hang out here and ask questions
[01:52] <holstein> but, for samba and compiz
[01:52] <holstein> you can probably get more help from one of the less specific avenues
[01:52] <holstein> *i gave up on samba
[01:53] <holstein> i decided to make my windows boxes talk to linux, instead of the other way around
[01:53] <holstein> then, i ditched the windows boxes
[01:53] <holstein> :)
[01:54] <radjahzik> why go to loco
[01:54] <radjahzik> just to find help in french ?
[01:54] <holstein> radjahzik: that too
[01:54] <holstein> i thought you might get more help with samba
[01:54] <holstein> or #ubuntu-beginners
[01:55] <radjahzik> the guy o ubuntu.fr speak but no help realy
[01:55] <holstein> this is really ubuntustudio specific, so we dont deal much with samba
[01:55] <radjahzik> ?? !!!!
[01:55] <holstein> radjahzik: not that im trying to get rid of you :)
[01:55] <holstein> im just trying to get you help
[01:56] <radjahzik> for jackd its realy cool
[01:56] <radjahzik> all is ok
[01:56] <holstein> radjahzik: thats great
[01:56] <holstein> radjahzik: i think there are some GUI samba tools
[01:56] <radjahzik> i have test with Qtractor and hydrogen*
[01:57] <radjahzik> samba is install
[01:57] <holstein> i would probably check out http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Natty#Samba_File_Sharing
[02:01] <radjahzik> i have to much problem with this ubuntustudio 11
[02:01] <radjahzik> i think change it
[02:01] <holstein> i use 10.04 with KXstudio ppa's added
[02:02] <radjahzik> i have x64  cpuu
[02:02] <holstein> yup, 64bit
[02:02] <holstein> *my studio machine
[02:02] <radjahzik> i have kxstudio11
[02:02] <holstein> i have a 64bit test laptop too
[02:02] <holstein> i have 10.10 and 11.04 installs
[02:03] <radjahzik> i have test on 32b all
[02:03] <holstein> and i'll have ubuntustudio 11.10 soon
[02:03] <radjahzik> but for my 64
[02:03] <holstein> radjahzik: not much reason to worry about runnint 64bit now
[02:03] <holstein> flash and all that works fine (like i care about flash on my studio box)
[02:03] <radjahzik> i have install a 32b
[02:04] <radjahzik> a x32 on a x64computer
[02:04] <holstein> sure
[02:04] <radjahzik> i have 4Go ram
[02:04] <holstein> yup, i had 3gb, but i recently upgraded
[02:04] <radjahzik> and you have install a x32 on a x64 hardware too ?
[02:05] <holstein> i went for the 64bit install
[02:05] <holstein> i have several 32bit 10.04 installs as well though
[02:06] <radjahzik> where you fin KXstudio ppa's
[02:07] <radjahzik> you have not install a ubuntu studio ?
[02:07] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories
[02:07] <radjahzik> just install ubuntu10.04
[02:07] <holstein> i have a 10.04 install with falks PPA's added from kxstudio
[02:08] <radjahzik> wich ppa's there are a lote of verion
[02:08] <radjahzik> its lucid
[02:08] <holstein> radjahzik: yup, read them carefully
[02:09] <holstein> radjahzik: 10.04 = lucid
[02:09] <radjahzik> kernel 2638
[02:09] <holstein> however, those PPA's support 10.04 10.10 11.04 and 11.10
[02:09] <holstein> i have only used them in 10.04 though
[02:10] <radjahzik> linux-realtime-33 	2.6.33-29.1+all1~lucid1
[02:10] <holstein> my testing installs of 10.10 and 11.04 are just ubuntustudio
[02:10] <holstein> radjahzik: yup, thats one of the -realtime kernels
[02:10] <holstein> again, not trivial
[02:10] <radjahzik> linux-meta-realtime 	2.6.33.29.1+all1~lucid1
[02:11] <holstein> right, thats the -realtime kernel
[02:11] <holstein> i still need it for my firewire device
[02:11] <holstein> for me, i have a USB device that actually performs better with a -generic kernel
[02:11] <radjahzik> alsa-firmware 	1.0.20-0medibuntu4.2+rebuild1~lucid1
[02:11] <holstein> really just depends
[02:12] <radjahzik> linux-lowlatency 	2.6.38-8.42+all1~lucid1
[02:13] <radjahzik> but if i take a ubuntusutdio 10.04 is not lts
[02:14] <holstein> 10.04 is the LTS
[02:14] <holstein> lucid = 10.04 = the latest ubuntu LTS version
[02:14] <holstein> 12.04 should be the next
[02:15] <radjahzik> why dont install kxstudio
[02:15] <holstein> radjahzik: try it
[02:15] <holstein> i dont like KDE
[02:15] <radjahzik> i have try soon
[02:16] <holstein> and, with kxstudio, jack starts at login, and pulse is routed through jack
[02:16] <holstein> i dont need or want that
[02:16] <holstein> but, falk is great, and KXstudio is awesome
[02:16] <holstein> radjahzik: its a live CD, the kxstudio.iso
[02:16] <radjahzik> live dvd 32bits
[02:17] <radjahzik> 10.04.3
[02:17] <radjahzik> i was don't like it too
[02:17] <radjahzik> test not realy good
[02:18] <holstein> well, KDE is just not for me
[02:18] <radjahzik> me too
[02:18] <radjahzik> i like mint 9
[02:18] <radjahzik> stable
[02:18] <radjahzik> lts
[02:18] <holstein> thats the 10.04 one right?
[02:19] <holstein> yeah, thats right
[02:19] <radjahzik> one right ?
[02:19] <holstein> thats based on ubuntu 10.04's LTS
[02:19] <holstein> http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_isadora.php
[02:20] <radjahzik> yes + mint menu very nice
[02:20] <holstein> eh
[02:20] <holstein> i think its a bit much
[02:20] <holstein> but, it looks great
[02:20] <radjahzik> bit much
[02:21] <radjahzik> translate me i think its a bit much
[02:21] <holstein> *the mint menu
[02:21] <holstein> i think its a bit too heavy looking
[02:21] <holstein> too much
[02:21] <radjahzik> ok
[02:21] <holstein> again, it looks great though
[02:22] <radjahzik> if i want add jackd and else on it
[02:23] <holstein> radjahzik: mint uses the ubuntu repositories
[02:23] <holstein> so, you just add what you want
[02:23] <holstein> and it should be fine
[02:23] <radjahzik> i add thje ppa's kxstudio
[02:23] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio
[02:23] <holstein> for example*
[02:23] <holstein> radjahzik: i havent tried falks PPA's with mint
[02:23] <holstein> something might break
[02:23] <holstein> but, as long as you know how to purge PPA's, try it
[02:24] <radjahzik> waoo the adventure for all
[02:24] <radjahzik>                 
[02:24] <holstein>    
[02:25] <radjahzik> take care holstein
[02:25] <holstein> radjahzik: sure :)
[02:25] <radjahzik> i go back tomorrow
[02:25] <holstein> you too
[02:25] <holstein> i'll be here
[02:25] <radjahzik> after 1 week install lunix ubunru studio kxstudio, mint, etc
[02:26] <holstein> thats the way to do it
[02:26] <radjahzik> i was pass 1 week
[02:26] <holstein> we call it 'distro-hopping'
[02:26] <radjahzik> yes
[02:26] <holstein> check out a bunch of them, and see what you like
[02:27] <radjahzik> i have just a ntfs to coserve
[02:27] <radjahzik> conserve
[02:27] <radjahzik> use carefull the install to do not erase my little history
[02:27] <radjahzik> lol
[02:28] <radjahzik> i prefer lucid version gnome and the rest ...
[02:28] <radjahzik> bye
[02:28] <holstein> radjahzik: o/
[02:28] <radjahzik> o/
[02:28] <radjahzik> ???
[02:28] <radjahzik> a+
[02:29] <holstein> o/ is me waving bye :)
[02:29] <radjahzik> in french a+   is at soon
[05:22] <ubstud> hi, I've tried installing UbuntuStudio versions 8~11 in a VirtualBox but VBox guest additions do not compile in UbuntuStudio, is there a solution?
[05:23] <ubstud> Plain Vanilla Ubuntu 8-10 works fine though, guest additions install properly
[07:17] <jerry_l> hi room.
[19:31] <arn> bonjour, je viens d'installer unbuntu 10.04 je souhaite ajouter un package studio
[19:31] <arn> que me conseillez vous?
[19:32] <holstein> arn: hello
[19:32] <arn> holstein :
[19:32] <arn> hello
[19:32] <holstein> you speak english?
[19:32] <arn> you know me
[19:32] <holstein> OH
[19:32] <holstein> ok :)
[19:32] <arn> your help was fine
[19:33] <holstein> welcome back
[19:33] <arn> i have find my solution to ntfs share
[19:33] <arn> simply use the pakage ntfs-config
[19:33] <holstein> cool, that was easy
[19:33] <arn> so yesteday you talk to me about your add of kx studio
[19:34] <holstein> right
[19:34] <arn> yes samba and ntfs-config
[19:34] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories
[19:34] <arn> can you give me your source ? please
[19:34] <arn> yes realy fine
[19:34] <holstein> those are the PPA's
[19:34] <holstein> its really up to you which ones you want to add
[19:35] <holstein> for example, the JACK1 ppa
[19:35] <holstein> that forces JACK1 instead of JACK2
[19:35] <holstein> so, you probably *dont* want that one
[19:36] <arn> ok what link i click to start
[19:36] <holstein> actually, i would say, only add them if you need them
[19:36] <holstein> arn: ??
[19:36] <holstein> you would add the PPA's
[19:36] <holstein> i do it in the terminal
[19:36] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kxstudio-team/ppa
[19:36] <holstein> ^ for example
[19:36] <arn> yes it's better
[19:36] <holstein> same thing with the kernel one if you want the kernels
[19:37] <arn> cool i type this one and finish ?
[19:37] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kxstudio-team/kernel
[19:37] <holstein> arn: this command will add the PPA
[19:37] <holstein> arn: again, i would only add them *if* you need tem
[19:37] <holstein> them*
[19:37] <holstein> dont think of them as 'better'
[19:37] <holstein> think of them as newer
[19:38] <holstein> also, falk adds some extra packages that we dont have
[19:38] <arn> i need all package to be sure its gone with jack and the rest
[19:38] <holstein> arn: thats what im saying
[19:38] <holstein> you done *need* these
[19:38] <holstein> you should only get them if you *want* them
[19:39] <arn>  Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv A809F6C307B583133B3891B287538FEDDF8063EB gpg: requête de la clé DF8063EB du serveur hkp keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: clé DF8063EB: clé publique « Launchpad PPA for KXStudio Team
[19:39] <arn> is it normal ?
[19:39] <holstein> normal?
[19:40] <holstein> thats what the command did
[19:40] <arn> the result of sudo yes
[19:40] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository *
[19:40] <holstein> arn: so now
[19:40] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:41] <holstein> then, if you want to update to falks versions of the pacakges
[19:41] <holstein> *which will take some time
[19:41] <holstein> run
[19:41] <holstein> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:42] <arn> end
[19:42] <holstein> arn: personally, i would wait
[19:43] <holstein> i would wait til you are comfortable and familiar with what PPA's are, and what they do
[19:43] <holstein> and how to purge them, if needed
[19:43] <holstein> falks PPA's are quite stable though*
[19:44] <arn> how can i understand that and use it ?
[19:44] <holstein> arn: use what?
[19:44] <holstein> the PPA?
[19:44] <arn> i see nothing
[19:44] <holstein> you added it
[19:44] <holstein> arn: ?
[19:44] <holstein> you wont see anything
[19:44] <holstein> for example
[19:44] <holstein> JACK is at a certain version
[19:44] <arn> its change the library package ?
[19:44] <holstein> when you add falks PPA
[19:44] <holstein> *if* he has a newer verion of JACK
[19:45] <holstein> when you run
[19:45] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:45] <holstein> that updates the this of availalbe packages
[19:45] <holstein> and then
[19:45] <arn> kool
[19:45] <holstein> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:45] <holstein> that will upgrade your verion of JACK to his
[19:45] <holstein> *as well as other pacakges that falk has packed that are newer
[19:45] <holstein> arn: theres nothing to see
[19:46] <arn> i have nothing install so i can install a pack of sound , iwill sure after that will the newest version , right ?
[19:46] <holstein> arn: pack of sound?
[19:47] <holstein> arn: not the newest version
[19:47] <holstein> the newest available version
[19:47] <holstein> from your PPA
[19:48] <holstein> *from your sources
[19:48] <arn> pack of soft (jackd, audur, so i search to install all
[19:48] <holstein> arn: theres a metapackage
[19:48] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio
[19:48] <arn> if i search ubuntustudio au
[19:48] <arn> yes
[19:48] <holstein> arn: just open synaptic
[19:48] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[19:48] <holstein> and you'll see them
[19:48] <holstein> *you *dont* need them all
[19:48] <holstein> or any of them for that matter
[19:48] <holstein> you can just install what you want
[19:48] <holstein> i usually get the 2 audio ones
[19:48] <arn> ok : so the update ppa has afect the version
[19:49] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[19:49] <holstein> arn: the PPA effects your sources in general
[19:49] <holstein> ALL of your sources
[19:49] <holstein> IF falk has a newer version
[19:49] <holstein> then, you'll get falks version
[19:49] <arn> and to have realtime kernel
[19:49] <holstein> if not, then you'll keep the other one
[19:49] <holstein> arn: do you need the -realtime kernel?
[19:50] <arn> its in tu ubuntu package ?
[19:50] <holstein> *i urger you to try the -generic
[19:50] <holstein> then
[19:50] <holstein> try the -lowlatency
[19:50] <holstein> then, if you still need it
[19:50] <holstein> try the -realtime
[19:50] <arn> with jackd its possible to use no realtime ?
[19:50] <holstein> arn: ubuntu does not have a -realtime or -lowlatency kernel in the default repos
[19:51] <holstein> arn: JACK will run just fine with the -generic kernel
[19:51] <holstein> arn: thats why i say 'try it first'
[19:51] <arn> ok i have never try it , so i must be try
[19:51] <holstein> arn: debian doesnt even support a -realtime kernel anymore
[19:52] <holstein> FOR EXAMPLE http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel
[19:52] <holstein> arn: the same is true of ubuntu
[19:52] <holstein> we will not have/need a -realtime kernel much longer
[19:52] <holstein> BUT, if you do find that you need it
[19:53] <holstein> you can add falks PPA with the command i linked above
[19:53] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kxstudio-team/kernel
[19:53] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:53] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-realtime
[19:54] <holstein> then, you'll need to edit your grub setup in order to boot it
[19:54] <holstein> !grub
[19:54] <holstein> then, in a terminal, run
[19:54] <holstein> uname -a
[19:54] <holstein> and that will tell you what kernel you are running
[19:54] <holstein> arn: OR, as i suggested, just take your time, and add things as you need them
[19:54] <holstein> add a package or 2
[19:54] <holstein> and learn how to use them
[19:54] <holstein> add falks ppa to update
[19:55] <holstein> then, add the -realtime kernel later if needed
[19:55] <holstein> otherwise, *all* of these steps are quite time consuming
[19:56] <arn> yes i have made a file .txt "holdstein  realtime "" :)
[19:56] <holstein> arn: :)
[19:56] <arn> on my doc
[19:56] <holstein> yeah, save them for later
[19:56] <holstein> take it one step at a time
[19:56] <holstein> otherwise, it can be quite overwhelming
[19:56] <arn> its made
[19:57] <arn> so in the first time i must be learn how install quickly, im not finish :)
[19:58] <arn> if that  coll i made some backup
[19:58] <arn> i have install like your "conseil" ubuntu 10.04 lts
[19:58] <arn> and im realy fine
[19:59] <holstein> yeah, i find it more stable
[19:59] <arn> i have test a turkish kde x64 but nodriver ?
[19:59] <holstein> graphics driver?
[19:59] <arn> Pardus distro " just print driver
[20:00] <holstein> yeah, who knows
[20:00] <holstein> hardware is so cheap now
[20:00] <holstein> just buy a printer next time you need ink
[20:00] <arn> no driver for the old print in x64 ,  but all was to much menu ""kde" but very nice install
[20:00] <holstein> in the US, thats about the same price :/
[20:00] <holstein> ink or a new printer
[20:01] <arn> yes that why i conserve my old ip1600  with add ink
[20:01] <arn> same in france
[20:01] <arn> one ink = pirnt
[20:02] <arn> cut talk
[20:02] <arn> :)
[20:04] <arn> i'm not alone on this chat sorry bye
[20:04] <holstein> arn: a+
[20:04] <arn> o/
[20:26] <arno__> holstein : ?
[20:27] <holstein> arno__: o/
[20:27] <holstein> whats up?
[20:27] <arno__> i m just test jackd i have start : 1024 /2 or 3 and all was right but it stop and i must reboot
[20:28] <holstein> yeah, you'll need to trouble shoot
[20:28] <holstein> make sure you are in the audio group
[20:28] <holstein> try
[20:28] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[20:28] <holstein> to troubleshoot permissions*
[20:28] <arno__> so i decided to start agian and yet with the same setup it  start and close it self
[20:28] <holstein> sudo adduser YOU audio
[20:29] <arno__> all 2 seconde
[20:29] <holstein> arno__: right
[20:29] <holstein> you just have to trouble shoot it
[20:29] <holstein> try the internal sound card with JACK running as root *temporarily
[20:30] <arno__> so yet another after type gksudo qjackctl   no message buffer overruns JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. apparent rate = 44100 creating alsa driver ... hw:0,0|hw:2|1024|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit control device hw:0 the playback device "hw:0,0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again cannot load driver module alsa 21:29:30.079 JACK a été arrêté avec succès. 2
[20:31] <holstein> right, so you know its not permissions then
[20:31] <holstein> sudo killall jackd
[20:31] <arno__> on the start i havent this message i was running normaly
[20:31] <holstein> right
[20:31] <holstein> sudo killall jackd
[20:31] <holstein> then, try starting it as root again
[20:32] <arno__> same message
[20:32] <holstein> OK
[20:32] <holstein> so, you'll need to double check the device settings
[20:32] <arno__> i can modify the info list
[20:35] <arno__> sudo gedit /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[20:35] <holstein> arno__: right
[20:35] <holstein> thats why i suggest running as root
[20:35] <arno__> @audio - rtprio 95 @audio - memlock unlimite
[20:35] <holstein> you wont need to mess with that stuff running as root
[20:35] <holstein> AND, also
[20:35] <holstein> most of that has been depricated
[20:36] <holstein> however, if you will run, *temporarily* for testing purposes, in a terminal
[20:36] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[20:36] <holstein> then, when JACK starts like that
[20:36] <holstein> you know you have JACK talking to the hardware
[20:36] <holstein> thats when you can move to starting JACK as a normal user
[20:36] <holstein> and trouble shoot permissions errors
[20:37] <arno__> no more sound but it start
[20:37] <holstein> arno__: there shouldnt be sound
[20:37] <holstein> it should just start
[20:37] <holstein> JACK wont make any sounds til you route something
[20:37] <holstein> and play it
[20:37] <holstein> BUT
[20:37] <holstein> you dont need to do that right now
[20:38] <holstein> just get JACK running as root
[20:38] <holstein> let it run for a second
[20:38] <holstein> stop it
[20:38] <holstein> close qjackctl
[20:38] <holstein> and reopen it as a normal user
[20:38] <holstein> and *dont* mess with the config
[20:38] <holstein> arno__: when installing those meta packages
[20:38] <holstein> you should have been asked about running JACK with realtime priority
[20:39] <holstein> you answered yes to that right?
[20:39] <arno__> its cut it self alone
[20:39] <holstein> it stopped on its own?
[20:39] <arno__> yes on realtime or not same result
[20:40] <arno__> gksudo qjackctl
[20:40] <holstein> arno__: make sure you are up to date
[20:40] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[20:40] <holstein> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:41] <arno__> right
[20:41] <arno__> ok
[20:41] <arno__> i restart after
[20:41] <arno__> gksudo qjacktl  ?
[20:42] <holstein> no
[20:42] <arno__> ok
[20:42] <holstein> thats just running JACK as root
[20:42] <arno__> as root ?
[20:42] <arno__> on the panel ?
[20:42] <holstein> the root user?
[20:42] <holstein> as a test
[20:42] <holstein> *temporarily
[20:43] <holstein> that allows you to bypass the permissions issues common to making JACK *not* start
[20:44] <arno__> same result
[20:44] <holstein> arno__: are your packages up to day?
[20:44] <arno__> im must start su  jackd
[20:44] <holstein> date*
[20:44] <holstein> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:44] <arno__> yes
[20:44] <holstein> OK
[20:44] <holstein> what device are you using?
[20:45] <holstein> the internal sound card?
[20:45] <arno__> when you type after i do
[20:45] <arno__> usb
[20:45] <holstein> right
[20:45] <holstein> arno__: select the internal sound card for now
[20:45] <holstein> *temporarly
[20:45] <holstein> as a test
[20:45] <holstein> just to make sure JACK is working
[20:45] <holstein> *please
[20:46] <arno__> its gone
[20:46] <arno__> no stop with internal
[20:46] <arno__> ok
[20:47] <holstein> arno__: OK
[20:48] <arno__> so conflict usb device ?
[20:48] <holstein> so, its something to do with your USB device then
[20:48] <holstein> *again, a reason *not* to down grade to 10.04
[20:48] <arno__> nothing to do
[20:48] <holstein> but, we'll move on
[20:48] <holstein> arno__: this is linux
[20:48] <holstein> theres alwasy something to do ;)
[20:48] <holstein> arno__: with the USB device plugged in
[20:48] <holstein> run lsusb
[20:49] <holstein> you want to see the device there
[20:49] <holstein> AND
[20:49] <holstein> you want to run
[20:49] <holstein> aplay -l
[20:49] <holstein> and
[20:49] <holstein> arecord -l
[20:49] <holstein> that is also where you want to see it
[20:49] <arno__> on the link of maudio there is a message
[20:49] <holstein> arno__: ??
[20:49] <arno__> **** Liste des PLAYBACK périphériques **** carte  0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], périphérique 0 : ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog]   Sous-périphériques: 1/1   Sous-périphérique: #0: subdevice #0 carte  2: USB [Producer USB], périphérique 0 : USB Audio [USB Audio]   Sous-périphériques: 1/1   Sous-périphérique: #0: subdevice #0 carte  3: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], périphérique 3 : ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]   Sous-périph
[20:50] <arno__> **** Liste des CAPTURE périphériques **** carte  0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], périphérique 0 : ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog]   Sous-périphériques: 1/1   Sous-périphérique: #0: subdevice #0 carte  1: VX5000 [Microsoft LifeCam VX-5000], périphérique 0 : USB Audio [USB Audio]   Sous-périphériques: 1/1   Sous-périphérique: #0: subdevice #0 carte  2: USB [Producer USB], périphérique 0 : USB Audio [USB Audio]   Sou
[20:52] <holstein> arno__: looks like ALSA is seeing it
[20:52] <holstein> SO, just double check, like i suggested
[20:52] <holstein> in JACK
[20:52] <holstein> under 'setup'
[20:52] <holstein> there are 2 drop down menus
[20:52] <holstein> near the word 'interface'
[20:53] <holstein> most people just see the one drop down menu
[20:53] <holstein> there are actually 2 arrows
[20:53] <holstein> one pointing right
[20:53] <holstein> and the other point down
[20:53] <holstein> look for your USB interface both places
[20:54] <holstein> assuming that is still failing, then i would suggest trying a different kernel
[20:54] <holstein> the -lowlatency for example
[20:54] <arno__> lok can you read this to me ?
[20:54] <arno__> http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=cf6f53946a5d2cfa3792487b2af97e61
[20:55] <arno__> after clic on this link opensource im lose
[20:56] <holstein> that is suggesting you get drivers from http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
[20:56] <arno__> yes but after im lose
[20:56] <holstein> however, alsa is seeing the device, so i would try some other things first
[20:56] <holstein> arno__: yeah, i havent used these
[20:56] <holstein> i would try some other things first
[20:56] <arno__> yes
[20:57] <arno__> kernel
[20:57] <holstein> arno__: the device worked in 11.04 right?
[20:57] <arno__> ihtks
[20:57] <arno__> yes
[20:57] <holstein> there are 2 major differences
[20:57] <holstein> kernel and the ALSA version
[20:57] <holstein> arno__: however, im not convinced that its not working
[20:58] <holstein> i feel like you just need to find the proper config in JACK setup
[20:58] <holstein> under interfaces
[20:58] <holstein> arno__: dont trust those labels
[20:58] <arno__> yes i have test and its bad
[20:58] <holstein> and, when the machine reboots, ALSA can randomly change the order
[20:58] <holstein> hw:1 or whatever
[20:58] <holstein> thats what was happening to you before i think
[20:59] <holstein> when you were running 11.04
[20:59] <holstein> and you would restart and the USB device would work sometimes
[20:59] <holstein> and sometimes not
[20:59] <arno__> the same messgae
[20:59] <holstein> arno__: with all the options?
[20:59] <arno__> no just realtime tes
[20:59] <arno__> e
[20:59] <holstein> have you literally tried all possible combonations under 'interfaces
[21:00] <holstein> arno__: this has *nothing* to do with realtime
[21:00] <arno__> i have try no block memory
[21:00] <holstein> arno__: yeah, *dont* mess with those settings please
[21:00] <holstein> that will *not* help
[21:01] <holstein> arno__: get those back to default
[21:01] <arno__> *ok*
[21:01] <holstein> and leave them alone
[21:01] <holstein> JACK works fine with the internal sound device
[21:01] <holstein> SO, JACK, and the JACK config are *not* the problem
[21:01] <arno__> ok the device problem
[21:01] <holstein> the problem is, either the device is not getting the support it needs frm the kernel
[21:02] <holstein> OR, you are not selecting in properly in 'interface'
[21:02] <arno__> i see all input
[21:02] <arno__> and all output
[21:02] <holstein> arno__: JUST interface
[21:03] <holstein> thats all you want to mess with right now
[21:03] <holstein> IF its not working
[21:03] <holstein> then, you can try either or both of these options
[21:03] <holstein> try a newer/different kernel
[21:03] <holstein> the -lowlatency one for example
[21:03] <holstein> or -realtime
[21:03] <holstein> OR, you want look and update ALSA
[21:03] <arno__> ojk lets start your like
[21:04] <arno__> so i never updata amlsa
[21:04] <holstein> you can try http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi to
[21:04] <holstein> o
[21:04] <holstein> OR, you can run 11.04
[21:04] <holstein> which seems to support your hardware well
[21:04] <holstein> which is why i suggested *not* going back, just in case
[21:04] <holstein> but, you can sort it out :)
[21:06] <arno__> on opensound i take the linux 2.6 x86 ?
[21:06] <arno__> rpm den or tar what is easy ?
[21:07] <holstein> arno__: that depends
[21:07] <holstein> x86 is the 32bit
[21:07] <holstein> amd64 is 64bit
[21:07] <arno__> yes mys sys 32
[21:08] <holstein> .deb is for debian/ubuntu
[21:08] <arno__> unbuntu 10.04
[21:08] <holstein> so, for a 32bit ubuntu install, you would want an x86.deb for the 2.6 kernel
[21:08] <arno__> yes go
[21:08] <holstein> arno__: all ubuntu's are .deb based and either 32 or 64bit
[21:10] <arno__> dpkg –I   the name
[21:10] <arno__> its _i or -l
[21:10] <arno__> -l
[21:11] <holstein> arno__: just click on it
[21:12] <arno__> yes
[21:12] <arno__> it runnin
[21:12] <arno__> its oss
[21:12] <arno__> no more alsa normaly that make dummy
[21:12] <holstein> yeah, i dont know anything about it
[21:12] <arno__> if i remember
[21:13] <holstein> but, you should just be getting a module
[21:13] <arno__> i must restart
[21:13] <arno__> ao/ after
[21:19] <arno__> holstein :$
[21:20] <arno__> nomore sound
[21:20] <arno__> this update has shut all setup input
[21:21] <arno__> i must unisntall this one
[21:42] <arno__> holstein : i have reste open source oss
[21:42] <arno__> and start new kernel
[21:42] <holstein> arno__: hey
[21:42] <arno__> realtime
[21:42] <holstein> i thought i missed you
[21:42] <arno__> and it real cool
[21:42] <holstein> arno__: good :)
[21:42] <arno__> reoot 2
[21:42] <arno__> in real als not real the same qualité
[21:43] <arno__> in 128 48000
[21:43] <arno__> 128 /2  48000
[21:43] <arno__> +realtime
[21:43] <arno__> great
[21:43] <holstein> yup
[21:43] <arno__> yup
[21:43] <holstein> -realtime should be more capable
[21:43] <holstein> can be*
[21:43] <arno__> m-audio usb producer
[21:44] <holstein> 128 /2 is really quite good
[21:44] <arno__> is compatible with the kernel realtime
[21:44] <arno__> yep
[21:44] <holstein> arno__: OH, hey thats eve better
[21:44] <holstein> you added device support :)
[21:44] <arno__> 5.33 ms
[21:44] <holstein> i knew you'd get it sorted out
[21:45] <holstein> i think anything near 10ms is acceptable for realtime work
[21:45] <arno__> yep
[21:45] <arno__> i must test the accurency of the systeme now
[21:46] <arno__> and after test write a tutoriel to help other to use very well the install of usb maudio
[21:46] <arno__> but now test
[21:46] <holstein> arno__: thats awesome
[21:46] <holstein> thanks for doing that
[21:46] <holstein> documentation is *always* appreciated
[21:47] <arno__> you know the link to write about this
[21:47] <arno__> wiki ? ubuntu
[21:47] <arno__> ?
[21:47] <holstein> arno__: yeah, some wiki page
[21:48] <arno__> yes its global
[21:48]  * holstein looking
[21:48] <arno__> in a week after my job for 24h of le mans
[21:48] <arno__> CARs evenemnt
[21:48] <holstein> i say, anywhere you want
[21:48] <holstein> and link from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToJACKConfiguration
[21:49] <arno__> its rec on holstein files
[21:50] <arno__> i have take the defauft max latency of micro usb
[21:51] <arno__> start ardour
[21:56] <arno__> great just setup the master low ;;;; enjouy of a normal , ingeniorius tools
[21:56] <arno__> yepppp
[21:56] <arno__> bye
[21:56] <arno__> a+
[21:56] <holstein> o/