| === Soupermanito is now known as Souperior | ||
| === Souperior is now known as Aristoteles_mode | ||
| === Aristoteles_mode is now known as Souperficial | ||
| === Souperficial is now known as Ahab | ||
| === Ahab is now known as Souperior | ||
| micahg | mr_pouit: so, I got most of the plugins sync'd, the remaining ones either need a merge or FTBFS, would you consider using dpkg-vendor and having xubuntu specific stuff in Debian? | 02:54 |
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| mr_pouit | micahg: I saw that, thanks for all the syncs! :) | 11:07 |
| mr_pouit | for dpkg-vendor, I don't know, I'll have to see with Corsac | 11:07 |
| mr_pouit | I'm not sure all deltas are worth that though | 11:07 |
| mr_pouit | especially for very ubuntu specific changes (e.g. when the design team decide to cripple gtk) | 11:09 |
| mr_pouit | and other "long-term" changes (e.g. different binary packages for tumbler) might evolve as upstream makes improvement (e.g. for tumbler, a gstreamer thumbnailer has been added in git, so the packaging split will not be needed anymore) | 11:16 |
| mr_pouit | I guess, let's make a list of the ones that still have some ubuntu delta ;-) | 11:17 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 15:18 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 5 hours (19:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 15:20 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: can you let my mail through on xubuntu-devel? I used the wrong email addy :\ | 15:35 |
| charlie-tca | I have to have cody-somerville do it. I am only admin on xubuntu-users | 15:36 |
| charlie-tca | cody-somerville: help please! | 15:36 |
| pleia2 | oh ok | 15:36 |
| pleia2 | sent it yesterday, follow-up to drupal theme question | 15:37 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, good. I was hoping you would have an answer to that one | 15:37 |
| charlie-tca | Kernel is in now going to 3.0.0 | 15:54 |
| drc | Has Linus been talkinig to Patrick? | 15:59 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know, but he made the decision to jump to 3.0 instead of -40 | 16:00 |
| drc | Yeah, I read that. | 16:00 |
| pleia2 | wouldn't 2.8 have made more sense? | 16:00 |
| pleia2 | nevermind, sense need not apply | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know. Apparently it has not been enough time for 2.8 yet | 16:01 |
| charlie-tca | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2011-05-30-006-41-NW-LF-KN | 16:01 |
| drc | Woah, I haven't heard the term "bikesheding" in ages :) | 16:02 |
| pleia2 | lucky you :) | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | stick around, it does get used in Ubuntu every so often | 16:03 |
| drc | Nah, Think I'll move to LMDE ;) | 16:03 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: no meeting for me again this week, I'm in canada visiting my sister | 16:04 |
| * pleia2 will be out exploring edmonton! | 16:04 | |
| knome | nice | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | no updates though, still need to set up a wordpress test bed | 16:04 |
| knome | have fun | 16:04 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 16:04 |
| pleia2 | knome: thanks :) | 16:04 |
| charlie-tca | enjoy yourself | 16:04 |
| knome | pleia2, i could do that | 16:04 |
| knome | just doesn't make this non-sucky | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | knome: yeah, I figured one of us would, I am reinstalling one of my servers next weekend so it would be no problem for me to toss it in and give you admin | 16:05 |
| pleia2 | I was waiting to calm down from being annoyed at the suckiness ;) | 16:05 |
| charlie-tca | +1 on the knome statement. It has been very frustrating | 16:05 |
| knome | pleia2, takes me about 5mins to set up a wordpress installation :) | 16:06 |
| * pleia2 nods | 16:06 | |
| pleia2 | well, whichever one of us can, preferably in a place where we can both have ssh and wordpress admin | 16:06 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 16:07 |
| knome | that would be okay for me as well, but if you have your own server, that's maybe better | 16:07 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I have one that I specifically maintain for ubuntu stuff (even though it runs debian, sshh) | 16:08 |
| knome | :) | 16:08 |
| * pleia2 back to canadaing | 16:15 | |
| drc | beer, eh | 16:15 |
| charlie-tca | :-) | 16:15 |
| knome | beer, where? | 16:18 |
| Soupermanito | bear?! | 16:18 |
| knome | polar bears are here in the streets of helsinki | 16:19 |
| Soupermanito | :P you know what a polar bear is? | 16:19 |
| knome | i do. | 16:19 |
| drc | Bah...another day, another bØrked install :( | 16:19 |
| knome | :P | 16:19 |
| Soupermanito | its a bear who's mother is real and his father imaginary! | 16:20 |
| knome | Soupermanito, psst, i'm his father | 16:20 |
| Soupermanito | XD | 16:20 |
| charlie-tca | drc: nothing is installing today: Ubuntu desktop images broken, Kubuntu desktop images broken, Xubuntu alternate and desktop images broken | 16:21 |
| Soupermanito | D: | 16:21 |
| drc | At least it's consistent. | 16:21 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu and Kubuntu alternate images work | 16:22 |
| drc | bah...off to visit sister (in hospital, not Edmonton, unfortunately) | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | !es | 16:45 |
| ubottu | En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. | 16:45 |
| charlie-tca | knome: can we add #xubuntu-es to that factoid? You are better at it than I am. | 16:45 |
| charlie-tca | drc: how is your sister? | 18:25 |
| drc | ill, but not currently life threatening | 18:26 |
| charlie-tca | very good | 18:26 |
| drc | She's getting old (nevermind that she's a year younger than I am) | 18:26 |
| charlie-tca | I resemble old, too | 18:26 |
| * charlie-tca been told he resembles elderly at times, too | 18:27 | |
| * drc positively states that although he is a curmudgeon, not he is *not* old. GOML! | 18:28 | |
| drc | charlie-tca: Is there somewhere I can check to see if the daily images are known to fail (like today) before I DL and try to install? I don't mind the fail, but it's just a waste of time is it's a *known thing*. | 18:35 |
| charlie-tca | This normally should tell you - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/oneiric/ | 18:36 |
| charlie-tca | but you can also ask here. I normally run them as soon as I can sync them. | 18:36 |
| drc | But that could be after tea time :) | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | I also look at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ daily and daily-live to see if new images were even created. | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | Looking at daily-live shows we have not even created ov | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | oneiric images yet | 18:38 |
| drc | yup, just alternate | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | daily is the alternate image and daily-live is the desktop | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | so, daily-live will fail until we get an image | 18:39 |
| drc | That log file is a large file, anything I'm looking for in particular (as in: I can search for)? | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | normally search for ERROR | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | or error, in the logs, but I don't think the alternate image is failing there | 18:41 |
| charlie-tca | at least, I don't see the error in there | 18:42 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 25 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:33 |
| * charlie-tca looks around for those attending the meeting | 19:59 | |
| * micahg pokes his head up | 19:59 | |
| * drc arrives early so he can get a seat down front. | 19:59 | |
| drc | closer to the refreshments! | 20:00 |
| * charlie-tca thinks at least the front row isn't empty now | 20:00 | |
| charlie-tca | Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Meeting! | 20:00 |
| * micahg could use some refreshments | 20:01 | |
| charlie-tca | We have a few things to discuss today, the full agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 20:01 |
| mr_pouit | o hai | 20:01 |
| * charlie-tca gives micahg a soda | 20:01 | |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit made it, too! | 20:01 |
| * micahg thanks charlie-tca for the soda | 20:01 | |
| * holstein lurks as well | 20:01 | |
| charlie-tca | Here is the agenda, for | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | those who can't get the web page to work today | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Old business - all | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | email the ML with proposed meeting days and times, Mon, Tues only for days | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing - carried forward | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Team updates - Team Leads | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Packaging & Development | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Bug Triage & Testing | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Website & Marketing | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Artwork | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Documentation | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Announcements - Project Lead | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | TeamReports need to be updated | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Governance structure - all | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Any Other Business - all/anyone | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | First Item: email the ML with proposed meeting days and times, Mon, Tues only for days | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | that isn't right. | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | We can not hold meetings on Tuesday or Wednesday | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | I suppose the easiest solution to it would be to hold every other meeting on Sunday? | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | All opposed? | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | comments as to best time? | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | by the silence, do we assume any time is fine for everybody? | 20:04 |
| micahg | I'm pretty open on Sunday | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, proposed: Hold the meetings on Mondays at 19:-00 and Sunday at 22:00 alternating weeks? | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: will that be too late for you? | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | I am hoping for maximum participation if we get times that anyone interested can attend | 20:06 |
| mr_pouit | no, it'll be okay | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | Any objections? | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | motion passed by majority silence; Next weeks meeting will be Sunday at 22:00 UTC | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | next item - knome is to set up a tele-conference of some type to discuss marketing - carried forward | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | knome: Have you had a chance to think on this? | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | Marketing plays a key role in almost every aspect of a distribution, so this is an important item for us. | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | We need to get more people than me and knome involved in marketing, please? | 20:08 |
| drc | Define "marketing" | 20:09 |
| drc | please") | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | This includes news releases, blogs, release parties, | 20:09 |
| holstein | is there a marketing team? or wiki page? | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | anything we can do to promote Xubuntu, including maybe open week, developer week, etc. | 20:10 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing | 20:10 |
| * holstein bookmarking | 20:11 | |
| charlie-tca | Team updates - Team Leads | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | Packaging & Development | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: updates? | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | hm, silence is not GOLDEN today | 20:12 |
| mr_pouit | a few syncs/merges by me, for the main work: almost all panel plugins synced thanks to micahg ;-) | 20:12 |
| mr_pouit | sorry, laggy wifi | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | I hate those lags | 20:13 |
| charlie-tca | Anything we can do about xfce4-notifyd : Conflicts: notification-daemon so we can get the alpha1 images to work? | 20:13 |
| mr_pouit | something is pulling notification-daemon, but I didn't really investigate what | 20:14 |
| micahg | I think we're pulling in the GNOME stack again | 20:14 |
| mr_pouit | probably a new dep since natty, because it was fine at that time | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 20:14 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, very likely | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | we have alpha1 this thursday, so if we can fix this, we get an image. At least go for the alternate image this time | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | desktop images look bad for everybody today | 20:15 |
| micahg | can we switch to lightdm or is that too crazy to change? | 20:15 |
| micahg | that should get rid of some of the deps | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu already has, haven't they? | 20:15 |
| micahg | no, blocked on MIR, that doesn't affect us | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: what do we need to do to switch from gdm to lightdm? | 20:16 |
| mr_pouit | that it works ;p | 20:16 |
| micahg | it does, the sample greeter is good enough to log in with | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | Can t test it until we have a working image | 20:17 |
| mr_pouit | (I've heard bad things from a pkg-xfce debian maintainer who has tested it, not sure it was the latest release ;-) | 20:17 |
| micahg | well, I have had 0.3.5 logging into xubuntu on oneiric w/out issue | 20:17 |
| mr_pouit | okay, then I guess it's fine | 20:17 |
| micahg | can't speak to working on an image though | 20:18 |
| mr_pouit | no pam/ck/pk issue? | 20:18 |
| micahg | wfm, shows a user list, but so does gdm by default | 20:18 |
| mr_pouit | eh, lag again >.< | 20:18 |
| micahg | I haven't stress tested it yet | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | It is not forcing you to start gnome-keyring or anything? | 20:19 |
| micahg | once I login, it uses gnome-keyring | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | If mr_pouit is okay with it, I am willing to fight with it too. It will help us get the bugs out of it. | 20:20 |
| micahg | oh, can we kick parole out of recommends? | 20:21 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, we should definitely switch to lightdm, but before alpha1, that's seems a bit difficult | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | where do I find the seeds for Xubuntu? I need to know that too | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: How about we switch right after alpha1 then, since we need to make an image work real soon like. | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | hm, my lag just went up to 1 second | 20:23 |
| micahg | that's fine with me, I just don't remember what was pulling in unity | 20:23 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: it's the default "media" player after all (gmusicbrowser is only for music collections) | 20:23 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: orly? I thought gmusicbrowser was supposed to do it all | 20:24 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds, somewhere in code (xubuntu.oneiric) | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, mr_pouit | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: no, gmusicbrowser can not play a cd | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | or a movier, either | 20:24 |
| micahg | ah, ok, I missed that then | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | Isn't parole a movie player? | 20:25 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: re seeds: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.oneiric | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | so, parole will need to stay | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | exaile was replaced by gmusicbrowser, right? | 20:26 |
| charlie-tca | Moving along in spite of our lags, next topic is Bug Triage & Testing | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | I have SouperManito and beardygnome signed up to test starting Tuesday. and I don't show either one here today :-( | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | bugs might be getting ahead of us again, but mr_pouit is doing good trying to stay on top of the most serious ones. | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | Questions for anything covered so far? | 20:29 |
| holstein | is there a testing wiki? | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | yes, there is | 20:30 |
| holstein | i plan on running a test install ASAP | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | I been trying each day to get the alternate images to install. | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | The good??? news is Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktop images also fail today :-( | 20:31 |
| holstein | :/ | 20:32 |
| holstein | its early | 20:32 |
| charlie-tca | yes, it is, but with that alpha1 on June 2, it should be working today | 20:32 |
| charlie-tca | That brings us to Artwork | 20:33 |
| ochosi | right | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | Xfce now has a design team starting, which could really be a *big* benefit to us | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead, ochosi | 20:33 |
| ochosi | sry, people i'm late | 20:34 |
| ochosi | hope i didn't miss too much important stuff | 20:34 |
| charlie-tca | looks right on time, to me. | 20:34 |
| ochosi | so yeah, i started a design initiative in xfce | 20:34 |
| ochosi | together with JPohlmann | 20:34 |
| ochosi | it's mostly about optimizing the UI | 20:35 |
| ochosi | in general anyone can participate, but we haven't announced it yet on the xubuntu mailinglists | 20:35 |
| ochosi | i think the xfce-guys are enough for a start | 20:35 |
| ochosi | and then we'll see how it goes | 20:35 |
| ochosi | other than that i've been experimenting with small improvements to greybird | 20:35 |
| ochosi | but nothing spectacular yet | 20:36 |
| ochosi | there is a compact xfwm4 theme now | 20:36 |
| ochosi | it's not complete yet, but usable | 20:36 |
| ochosi | it's only 18px high, for those who want to save on vertical pixels | 20:36 |
| ochosi | about the xfce design stuff | 20:36 |
| ochosi | you're welcome to participate | 20:36 |
| ochosi | wiki page is here: https://wiki.xfce.org/design/start | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | I think any optimizations upstream are going to benefit us, and might even mean less work at our level. | 20:37 |
| ochosi | and feel free to contact me or jannis in #xfce-dev | 20:37 |
| ochosi | yes, the kind of changes we're planning (and doing) should really happen upstream | 20:37 |
| charlie-tca | Any changes for greybird that we should be aware of? | 20:38 |
| ochosi | not really | 20:38 |
| ochosi | at least not at the moment | 20:39 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions about artwork or upstream design? | 20:39 |
| charlie-tca | Comments about anything discussed so far? | 20:42 |
| charlie-tca | Announcements | 20:42 |
| charlie-tca | TeamReports need to be updated - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports | 20:42 |
| charlie-tca | This is the end of May, please feel free to add whatever you are doing for Xubuntu to this report. | 20:43 |
| charlie-tca | Alpha1 will be oversized, please don't report bugs about that | 20:43 |
| charlie-tca | The next linux kernel will be called linux 3.0.0 instead of 2.6.40 | 20:44 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: actually, just 3.0 :) | 20:44 |
| mr_pouit | huhu | 20:45 |
| charlie-tca | We do have a support channel for spanish support, that is not included in the !es factoid | 20:45 |
| charlie-tca | It is #xubuntu-es, and feel free to direct those requiring support to it. | 20:45 |
| charlie-tca | Dapper Drake is EOL on June 1. Doesn't really affect us, but will affect those running a server with it. | 20:46 |
| micahg | \o/ | 20:46 |
| charlie-tca | We are seeing an increase in users in #xubuntu. Let's try to | 20:46 |
| charlie-tca | give them the best support we can. I know we are doing that already, and it really is great to see! | 20:47 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: what are the chances we get the thunar startup-lag-fix in natty? | 20:47 |
| mr_pouit | there's no fix currently | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | Governance structure | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | At this time, until we have more participation, I do not see us trying to set up a governing council. I think I said that a couple of months ago, but want to make sure it is known., | 20:49 |
| charlie-tca | I will be adding to the Stradegy Document how to select a new Project Lead by vote, though. | 20:49 |
| charlie-tca | hm, there's that marketing thing again. increase participation in Xubuntu | 20:50 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: i thought there's one in git? | 20:50 |
| charlie-tca | Thunar 1.2.2 was supposed to have the fix, I think | 20:51 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: i meant that: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit/?id=5ce61f48171c9b95e8b89e0d2c53a7bfbeb9ac93 | 20:52 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: it's still not ideal, check xfce bug 7373, that was reopened | 20:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 7373 in slocate (Debian) "CAN-2003-0848: heap overflow in slocate" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7373 | 20:52 |
| mr_pouit | ubottu: no, not that one | 20:52 |
| ubottu | mr_pouit: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 20:52 |
| ochosi | oh, ok, i didn't notice it was re-opened | 20:52 |
| charlie-tca | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7373 | 20:53 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7373 in general "g_file_new_for_uri ("network://") seems to slow down Thunar's startup" [Normal,Reopened] | 20:53 |
| charlie-tca | Any Other Business - Anyone | 20:55 |
| charlie-tca | Any one have anything to bring up? This is like an open mic time | 20:55 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you all for attending this meeting. Next meeting will be Sunday June 5 at 22:00 UTC. | 20:57 |
| charlie-tca | LEe | 20:57 |
| micahg | for open mic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc | 20:58 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, before I forget, apps for Oneiric? | 20:58 |
| charlie-tca | Do we need further discussion on what is going into it? | 20:58 |
| charlie-tca | I want applications decided as early as possible | 20:58 |
| ochosi | micahg: this is not office-save :) | 20:58 |
| charlie-tca | someone want to go ahead and email the ML to get the applications picked? | 20:59 |
| charlie-tca | or are we all happy with what we have in natty and won't change anything except gdm to lightdm? | 21:00 |
| micahg | +1 I think | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | Great! | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | Glad we got a h | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | happy bunch of people here. | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | let's test this week! | 21:01 |
| Unit193 | Would we be able to add pastebinit? | 21:01 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: BTW, you can drop the browser plugin from parole as a recommends, Debian dropped and and so did we when I sync'd it | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: as a default in a menu? | 21:01 |
| drc | holstein: You still around? | 21:01 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: It's a cli app that's nice for support | 21:02 |
| holstein | drc: o/ | 21:02 |
| holstein | whats up? | 21:02 |
| drc | \o/ | 21:02 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: actually, that poses a problem since we don't have a media plugin for the browser anymore :( | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit, micahg : can we add pastebinit as a default installed application without a menu item? | 21:02 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: sure, I think :) | 21:02 |
| drc | You were talking about running a install test...was this a daily or periodic install test? | 21:03 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: although, we might have a space problem, thunderbird and firefox will bulk up this cycle (chrisccoulson is looking on how to slim them down), lightdm should give us some space though | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | We have a person in #xubuntu needs help with his installed 11.04 sticking at busybox | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | We aren't hurting yet for space, are we? | 21:04 |
| drc | holstein: You were talking about running a install test...was this a daily or periodic install test? | 21:04 |
| mr_pouit | yeah,we could add pastebinit if it's useful | 21:04 |
| holstein | drc: i have selfish motivations | 21:05 |
| charlie-tca | it is useful, when troubleshooting | 21:05 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio is moving to XFCE | 21:05 |
| holstein | and thats why i want to have xubuntu up and running ASAP | 21:06 |
| holstein | im looking forward to US being able to leech from you guys for a bit ;) | 21:06 |
| drc | holstein: Yeah, I read that somewhere. | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | yes, we should welcome UbuntuStudio over to Xubuntu this cycle! | 21:06 |
| holstein | and i hope soon we can be of the size team that can contribute back :) | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | and any help we can give them will be greatly appreciated, too. | 21:07 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: don't speak about that, I still don't know why the upstream dev decided to drop it :[ | 21:07 |
| holstein | yeah, we are really excited about the switch | 21:07 |
| charlie-tca | And this is a good reminder that what we do does affect more than just Xubuntu. | 21:07 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: ok, well if it used mozilla specific interfaces, that would be a good reason, if it was pure NPAPI, no idea | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | xfce bug 7373 | 21:10 |
| ubottu | xfce bug 7373 in general "g_file_new_for_uri ("network://") seems to slow down Thunar's startup" [Normal,Reopened] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7373 | 21:10 |
| micahg | \o/ | 21:10 |
| drc | Don't forget about the BusyBox user in #xubuntu (I have no idea how to help him, or I would) | 21:10 |
| charlie-tca | That's right. mr_pouit has about a two to three minute lag, so I wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything from him before ending | 21:11 |
| Unit193 | It drops to busybox if it can't boot anything else | 21:12 |
| charlie-tca | He is dropping to busybox every few boots | 21:13 |
| charlie-tca | If someone could help him out, it would be great | 21:13 |
| charlie-tca | I know enough to suggest an fsck | 21:13 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, I will get these minutes written up asap, and we will see everybody again on Sunday | 21:14 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for coming | 21:14 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: thanks for putting with us with that lag of yours. | 21:15 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, sorry /o\ | 21:20 |
| charlie-tca | np, | 21:21 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 21:21 |
| charlie-tca | As long as we know to wait long enough, it works :-) | 21:21 |
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| ochosi | charlie-tca: still around? | 23:27 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 23:28 |
| ochosi | i'm considering darkening the panel background a bit in greybird, what do you think about that? | 23:28 |
| ochosi | (menus would stay the same color) | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | I think it will be harder to use | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | I will have to go back to clearlooks then | 23:29 |
| ochosi | in what respect? | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | The contrast becomes lower, I think is the words | 23:30 |
| ochosi | mm, not sure i get what you mean | 23:30 |
| charlie-tca | but I am not sure. I could not use bluebird for more than an hour or so, | 23:30 |
| charlie-tca | it was too dark | 23:30 |
| ochosi | ok | 23:30 |
| ochosi | would you mind trying what i'm proposing? | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | sure, always willing to try | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | and sometimes willing to say it is good, for most users, too. | 23:31 |
| ochosi | k, i'll hack together a new panel.rc and post it for you in a sec | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | I only seen one or two compaints on greybird so far, but then again, they never complained about bluebird either until greybird came out. | 23:33 |
| ochosi | what complaints did you see? | 23:33 |
| charlie-tca | too dark, hard to read the information on it | 23:33 |
| charlie-tca | which made no sense to me | 23:33 |
| charlie-tca | and when asked to clarify, they go away | 23:34 |
| ochosi | hmm | 23:34 |
| ochosi | ok, that's not really the kind of criticism i'm looking for :) | 23:34 |
| charlie-tca | I know. But if they refuse to respond when questioned about it, I don't really count it as meaningful. | 23:34 |
| ochosi | mhm | 23:35 |
| ochosi | this is the panel.rc | 23:35 |
| ochosi | http://pastebin.com/pmigKJQg | 23:35 |
| ochosi | you know what you have to do to use it, right? | 23:35 |
| charlie-tca | no? | 23:35 |
| ochosi | k | 23:35 |
| charlie-tca | explain again, please | 23:35 |
| ochosi | copy it to /usr/share/greybird/gtk-2.0/apps | 23:36 |
| ochosi | and then run "xfce4-panel --restart" | 23:36 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 23:36 |
| ochosi | that should do the trick | 23:36 |
| ochosi | awwh, fail | 23:36 |
| ochosi | copy it to "/usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-2.0/apps | 23:36 |
| charlie-tca | that sounds right | 23:37 |
| ochosi | it most likely needs some more tweaking on the prelight and selected colors | 23:38 |
| ochosi | i mainly focussed on the panel-bg color for now | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | looks too dark to me | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | weather clouds blank out, timer is invisible again, | 23:42 |
| ochosi | so the font gets hard to read or what's the problem? | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | users will complain that the text is too bright | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | no, some of the icons wash out | 23:42 |
| ochosi | would you mind posting a screenshot? | 23:43 |
| charlie-tca | for me, the text is bright, but easily readable | 23:43 |
| ochosi | i can darken the text as well, that's no problem | 23:43 |
| charlie-tca | I will screenshot the panel | 23:43 |
| ochosi | k, thanks | 23:43 |
| ochosi | then it's easier for me to get what you mean :) | 23:44 |
| charlie-tca | http://imagebin.org/155982 | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | but the images are brighter than on my screen | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | dim the left icon (magnifying glass) and weather and timer bar a lot | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | They aren't really brightly visible | 23:47 |
| ochosi | the magnifying glass is appfinder | 23:47 |
| ochosi | i think the standard logo for the menu would be ok (it's a lot brighter) | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | right, but it is almost faded out in reality | 23:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, i understand | 23:48 |
| ochosi | the weather icon is problematic, i agree | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | It doesn't work if only some things are visible, though | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | users can put anything on the panel | 23:48 |
| ochosi | hmm, yeah, but they can always put something on the panel that has the same color as the panel | 23:48 |
| ochosi | and that *never* works | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | and the stupid timer Is that black bar between the mixer and the weather | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | true | 23:49 |
| ochosi | yeah, i didn't increase the contrast for the timer | 23:49 |
| ochosi | the timer is fixable | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 23:49 |
| ochosi | appfinder is also fixable | 23:49 |
| ochosi | the main problem would be the weather plugin i guess | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | like I say, users will probably like it, if the text is dimmed a bit | 23:49 |
| ochosi | so the text is too bright now? | 23:50 |
| charlie-tca | and the selection is darkened | 23:50 |
| ochosi | mhm, yeah, the selection needs more contrast, i agree | 23:50 |
| charlie-tca | text is too bright for most people, I think | 23:50 |
| ochosi | k | 23:50 |
| charlie-tca | I can't say for sure, I could use it this way, myself. | 23:50 |
| charlie-tca | It just seems bright to me | 23:51 |
| ochosi | hmm, i just checked, it's not really white | 23:51 |
| charlie-tca | let me shoot the bottom panels and see what it does | 23:51 |
| ochosi | i actually thought it would be FFFFFF, but it's F5F5F5 | 23:51 |
| charlie-tca | my clock is FFFFE0 | 23:52 |
| ochosi | mm, slightly yellowish | 23:53 |
| charlie-tca | http://imagebin.org/155986 | 23:54 |
| charlie-tca | yes, I find the slight yellow tint easier than white on my eyes | 23:54 |
| ochosi | i can add a slight blue tint if you like | 23:54 |
| charlie-tca | My xchat and terminal is the same | 23:54 |
| ochosi | i mean to the rest of the panel text | 23:54 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 23:55 |
| charlie-tca | It is normally so slight, no one can see the color change | 23:56 |
| drc | ochosi: you want another panel screenshot? | 23:56 |
| ochosi | drc: sure, go ahead, but i'm just about to pastebin a newer version ;) | 23:57 |
| drc | I'll wait | 23:57 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca, drc: ok, here goes a revised version: http://pastebin.com/nBb01Jkw | 23:58 |
| * drc was evesdropping :) | 23:58 | |
| charlie-tca | putting it in | 23:58 |
| ochosi | drc: i'm always happy to get more feedback, so feel free to eavesdrop anytime ;) | 23:59 |
| drc | The panel text *is* better | 23:59 |
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