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ipv6hermithey guys, I lost all my windows title bar and window controls04:42
number9So after a hard restart I am unable to login from the splash screen or gdm. I can login from a vterm, or in a recovery session. I made a new user and can login under that name. I tried changing my splash to text and then running sudo service gdm start, and again could login for newuser but not myuser04:43
ipv6hermitI'm using 11.0404:43
number9ipv6hermit: How did you manage that? I would like to know so I could make that happen for me.04:45
ipv6hermitI can't find information on this for xubuntu04:46
ipv6hermitonly for ubuntu04:46
ipv6hermitit has to do with the window manager but I don't know too much about xfce04:47
Rodenskyusing zubuntu 10.0404:54
Rodenskysuddenly skype sttoped working04:54
Rodenskyit shuts down seconds after i try to open it04:54
KM0201Rodensky: cuz microsoft bought it04:54
KM0201Rodensky: what have you done recently?04:55
KM0201anything04:55
Rodenskynothing actually04:55
Rodenskyi havn't installed or uninstalled anything04:55
KM0201do you possibly have a zombie'd skype running?04:55
Rodenskynope04:55
KM0201ok04:55
Rodenskyand i also tried rebooting first to make sure04:55
KM0201well, start it in terminal, and see what error you get04:55
Rodenskyok a sec04:56
Rodensky$ skype04:56
RodenskyAborted04:56
Rodenskythats it04:56
KM0201hmm, sounds like a microsoft error message04:56
KM0201lol04:56
Rodenskynothing else shows :\04:56
KM0201i dunno04:57
KM0201maybe reinstall?04:57
Rodenskyalso didn't work04:57
KM0201maybe you pulled in an upgrade on it, and didn't realize it.04:57
Rodenskyi installed xubuntu 10.04 as a fresh install after formatting04:57
KM0201what version do you have instaled.. ?   skype --ver04:58
Rodenskyand skype worked untill a few days ago04:58
RodenskySkype 2.2.0.2504:58
KM0201same version i have...04:58
KM0201how did you install it?  a repo, or the .deb from skype.com,04:58
KM0201or some other way04:58
Rodenskyrepo04:59
Rodenskyi guess it's time to finely replace it with an open source software :)05:00
KM0201Rodensky: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2963273.html05:01
KM0201saw a forum post where that's worked for several w/ your problem05:01
KM0201http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750321&page=205:02
KM0201post #11 on..05:02
Rodenskyhey05:02
Rodenskyit did someting!05:02
Rodenskywait! :)05:02
Rodenskyyey05:02
Rodenskyit worked!05:02
KM0201my google-foo prevails again05:02
Rodenskyusualy i google my problems05:03
Rodenskythis time i didn't know whay to look for05:03
KM0201lol05:03
Rodenskywhat did you write in google?05:03
KM0201skype ubuntu 10.04 aborted05:03
KM02013rd link marked "solved"05:03
Rodenskybtw after reading that link i realized that the bug was published in the main stream media in my country, but no one described what the bug was05:04
grumpywolfewell I now know why my mic does not work with google gphone it is on the 0,2 of the alsa subsystme and the google plugin will not config for that05:06
RodenskyKM0201, THANKS!! :)05:07
KM0201Rodensky: don't thank me, thank google.. the geniuses are now doing the toran rah05:07
Rodenskygoogle worth nothing if you don't know how to use it. i had the same access to google as you did, only you knew what to look for and you did it for me and it solved my problem, so i thank you very much :)05:09
KM0201np05:10
ipv6hermithey guys, I'm locked out of xfce05:13
CrustyBarnacleAnyone having trouble starting an xfce session?05:13
ipv6hermitI never had issues like these on xubuntu 9.1005:14
ipv6hermitI'm disliking 11.04 a lot now05:14
Rodenskyi was once locked and it took me a few hours to try shift+alt to replace the language :P05:14
CrustyBarnacleipv6hermit: I've seen a couple others having this issue. XFCE works for me on Ubuntu 11.04.05:15
CrustyBarnacleipv6hermit: Did you try the suggested: "apt-get --reinstall install xubuntu-desktop"05:15
ipv6hermitnow I will try it now05:15
ipv6hermits/now/no/g05:16
ipv6hermitI was prob rebooting when that was suggested to me05:16
ipv6hermitthanks guys05:16
Rodenskyhave a nice say people!05:17
ipv6hermithello everyone,  I have an issue with xubuntu 11.04, I cannot initiate a xfce session.  is there a xfce log file I can look at to see what's going on?  I don't know much about xfce06:46
Sysidid it work before, did you change something before it stopped working or it just stopped working?06:49
ipv6hermitit sort of just stopped working06:50
Sysiyou could try login to virtual console (ctrl alt F6) and rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority (ctrl alt F7 or F8 to go back to gui)06:51
ipv6hermitSysi: I don't have that file06:53
Sysisomething like that? try writing .IC and pressing tab06:53
ipv6hermitSysi: I have it, I just delted it06:54
ipv6hermitI'm using a terminal now with IRSSI06:54
ipv6hermitwith screen06:55
ipv6hermitSysi: I'm able to log into xfce now, but the original issue persists, all the windows I open do not have a title bar or a close and minimize button07:01
ipv6hermitthis was the issue at first, then I tried the xfce-session friends07:02
shockrateshola09:52
shockratescan someone upload the last version of kmess at ubuntu? (this one has network connection loss bug)09:52
knomeyou might want to ask #kubuntu-devel, but i'm not sure if they will do that either. but you can always ask09:53
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metbsdhow is xubuntu?14:04
metbsdim downloading its live desktop now, will install later14:05
plantoschka11.4 is great14:06
metbsdjust hope to socialize a bit here, so i can get better help when i install later14:06
metbsdhow better is 11.4 to 10414:06
plantoschkaxfce 4.8 is great, the new greybird xubuntu theme is great14:08
linsuxcan i install xubuntu theme in fedora?14:11
plantoschkahttp://shimmerproject.org/projects/greybird/14:14
knomelinsux, greybird is gtk+xfwm, so as long as you use xfce in fedora (and have a new enough murrine), everything should work okay14:22
charlie-tcaXubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 5 hours (19:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings15:20
SyGeekXubuntu 11.04's GUI now feels as bloated as Ubuntu's GUI16:06
SyGeekI finally had to install Xfce and other stuff from scratch on ubuntu server16:06
charlie-tcaisn't choice great!16:06
charlie-tcaum, you do know server is not really made for gui's, right?16:06
SyGeekyes..16:07
SyGeekBut that's the only choice i had while at the same time being a part of Ubuntu16:08
knomewhat's wrong with the 11.04 gui?16:08
SyGeekIt is bloated and has eliminates the efficiency of use in my crapware..16:09
SyGeekThe GUI runs like a turtle16:09
knomebloated in which way?16:09
drcAnd if I remember the old fable, the turtle won the race.16:09
SyGeekBloated in GUI sense, eliminating the efficiency of speed (in old hardwares).16:09
SyGeekno offense guys, just sharing a opinion16:10
SyGeek*an16:11
knomeSyGeek, well, bloat might not be the right word, as in xfce there is not "useless" stuff, but the accessibility is better and there are some new core features16:11
drcSyGeek: Reading between the lines (Web sites, reviews, blogs), it looks (to me) like Xubuntu (at least) is taking the middle ground between the "bloated" GNOME/KDE and the newer really lightweight DE's (Lubuntu, puppy, etc). For me, that is a Good Thing (tm).16:13
drcAnd one thing I like atout Xubuntu/XFCE is that when I uninstall a default app (say Thunderbird), I don't have to worry about it being tied into the core DE (say, Elvolution)16:15
SyGeekI know, the new features are really worth using but now that Xubuntu has become practically slow to a point that I can call it unusable (on my hardware). It no longer satisfies my hardware. I tried limiting it's GUI but countless tries and no success lead me to leaving it16:15
drcHaving older hardware really does make a big difference.16:17
SyGeekThe only reason I went for Xubuntu in the first place was because of it's ease of use and fast UI16:17
drcSyGeek: Maybe a minimal install + xfce (not xubuntu-desktop)?16:18
knomeSyGeek, what is your hardware then?16:18
SyGeekdrc: Ubuntu server + xfce served the exact same purpose now16:21
SyGeekknome: http://pastebin.com/EgeFiErg16:21
Sysiwith that ram lxde could be more enjoyable16:32
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mbn_18Hi, where can I add language to xubuntu live image.18:14
charlie-tcaAdd a language that is not there yet?18:15
charlie-tcathat would be a bug. You can file it using ubuntu-bug ubiquity18:15
mbn_18I want to write in a diffrent language aditional to english.18:16
charlie-tcaWhen you start the live cd, you should get a whole list of languages that you can pick from18:16
Sysilive images only have complete support for english, but there should be at least some support for other languages, and all keyboard layout18:16
mbn_18Where do I add a keyboard layout?18:17
charlie-tcaBefore you even start, there should be a language menu18:17
charlie-tcaduring the installation, you are asked for keyboard layout18:17
Sysievery layout available should be there by default, what one are you looking for?18:17
charlie-tcaum, maybe start with the download, and run the live cd?18:18
mbn_18Will it change the interface language? I prefer  it will stay english18:18
mbn_18Sysi, hebrew18:19
charlie-tcaThe very first screen asks you to select your language, you can pick english there. Then during the installation, you again will pick a language to have the finished installation run in18:19
mbn_18I want the interface to be in English and to be able to write in both languages18:19
charlie-tcahebrew is already on the cd18:19
mbn_18I run the OS from the flash. I cant install it.18:21
mbn_18Whatever I do I dont see the language switcher18:21
charlie-tcaTry doing an installation with the alternate image then. It usually has more options18:22
Sysiyou can change layout from settings -> keyboard and get quick swap with xkb panel plugin that is know to be somewhat buggy18:23
mbn_18under setting I have -> Keyboard input method18:27
Sysinot that one18:27
Sysithere should be just generic keyboard settings with layout-tab18:28
charlie-tcaWhat version of Xubuntu?18:28
mbn_1811.0418:28
charlie-tcamenu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard18:28
mbn_18Also have input method switcher18:29
zylinderHiyq18:40
zylinderHiya*18:40
Soupermanito!hi zylinder18:41
Soupermanito!hi | zylinder18:42
ubottuzylinder: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!18:42
mbn_18SYSI NOW TIS STUCK ON HEBREW ( SORRY ONLY CAPS WORK ), SHOULD I USE IBUS OR OTHER SWITCHER?18:42
robertHello, i'm new to xubuntu...I cannot connect to internet. In gnome I usually used network manager applet, but in x it isn't working.18:59
robertTried xfapplet, but without a result19:01
Soupermanitommm19:03
charlie-tcaWhat do you mean, it's not working? It is exactly the same network manager as Ubuntu19:03
Soupermanitorobert, try nm-connection-editor19:04
robertnm-applet it is, it appear for few seconds after log in and dissapear19:04
robertlike bluetooth apllet too19:05
robert@Soupermanito, it's the conn editor, I cant connect with it.19:06
Soupermanitorobert, does your modem autoconnects to the internet? or you have to connect manually, adding your password and such on the machine?19:07
robertit's mobile broadband by bluetooth, I have to click 'connect' and type password to unlock pass database. With a cable it autoconnects.19:09
Soupermanitooh ok19:09
robertMaybe change settings to autoconn somehow?19:10
Soupermanito:( have never seen a bluethoot network thing robert19:10
robertBy cable it's simple, but how to do it with bt ?19:10
Soupermanitotry runing nm-connection-editor19:11
Soupermanitocan you lsusb and give us the dump on a pastebin?19:11
Soupermanito!pastebin19:11
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robertok, i'll try19:11
roberthttp://pastebin.com/BwBT3dfG here19:13
Soupermanitorobert: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81455119:16
robertHm, I'll try, but this connection works (I'm using it right now but on gnome), when I switch to xfce I dont know how to activate it - network manager applet dissapear I sayed it above19:20
Soupermanitoyes robert but writing nm-connection-editor will launch it anyway19:21
robertWait...I can set autoconn it that file maybe19:22
Soupermanitono idea19:22
robertOk, i'll try and then I'll return19:22
Soupermanitogood luck19:23
charlie-tcaXubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 25 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings19:34
zylindercould anyone explain to me (beginner :)) what exactly the busybox is and what it does?20:16
zylinderbecause I had to install xubuntu 4 or 5 times now20:17
zylinderbecause I would send me straight to the busybox after a few (sometimes 1, other times around 20) restarts20:18
zylinderit*20:18
zylinderunfortunately I can't really say what is causing it20:18
charlie-tca!busybox20:19
charlie-tca!info busybox20:19
ubottubusybox (source: busybox): Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.17.1-10ubuntu1 (natty), package size 283 kB, installed size 492 kB20:19
charlie-tcabasically means the startup failed for some reason20:21
zylindermh20:23
zylinderthanks, but that doesn't really help me :)20:23
charlie-tcaI know. We are in a meeting right now. Can you wait a few minutes?20:23
zylinderas it is more or less random, could it be that my harddrive has some kind of defect?20:23
zylindersure20:23
DarkErastill trying to figure out how to rip cd's in Xubuntu 11.04.20:28
charlie-tcaI use cdripper20:28
DarkEraI will have a look at it. Thanks charlie-tca20:31
charlie-tcaseems like the easiest thing for me20:32
jarnosjust curious, why gmusicbrowser replaced exaile?20:35
charlie-tcabetter support from upstream20:36
Sysilighter too20:37
jarnosSysi, do you mean binary size? At least adding folders to library is heavier operation than by exaile.20:47
Sysii think it uses less ram, but i haven't really used either of those20:47
rob2Hi, it's me again. The nm-applet still doesn't want to appear, even when it appear (couple of times delete & add notification area) it doesn't show available connections. I am stuck to gnome :(20:57
zylindercharlie-tca: hi again, any chance your meeting is over by now?21:03
zylinder:)21:03
charlie-tcagetting there21:03
zylindergroovy21:04
DarkEraO.k. i'm convinced, on the netbook Xubuntu is running great. I'm thinking about to switch to it too on the laptop. But.... what to take, 32 or 64Bit? It has a Core 2 Duo T5550 1.83Ghz processor and 3GB of RAM21:18
zylinderI'd opt for 32 bit, but I'm a beginner :)21:19
Sysiyou wont really gain anything from 64b with that21:19
charlie-tca32bit should be fine21:20
charlie-tcazylinder: it won't hit busybox everytime?21:20
charlie-tcaThat makes it much more difficult. What file system did you use to partition it?21:20
DarkEraThank you all :)21:21
DarkErai'm off to burn a cd21:21
charlie-tcazylinder: is it ext4?21:22
* charlie-tca thinks that should be the default file system now21:22
zylindercharlie-tca, no it doesnt21:23
zylindercharlie-tca, at some point (seems random) it'll boot GRUB21:24
zylinderand then, regardless of what I choose, it will load the busybox21:24
zylinderevery time21:24
charlie-tcaI would suggest booting to recovery menu, and running fsck from there.21:25
zylinderonly reinstalling help (ed me so far)21:25
zylinderbut even in recovery mode it loads the busybox21:25
charlie-tcaIf it boots to the grub, look at what the default highlighted?21:25
charlie-tcabusybox is normal for recovery load, sometimes.21:25
zylinderthe highlighted one is xubuntu (linux x.xxx etc)21:25
zylindermh21:25
zylinderso busybox knows fsck?21:26
charlie-tcaSince it is not loading all the stuff, it will go there21:26
charlie-tcano, there should be a recovery menu you can use21:26
zylindermh when does that come up thouhg? normally?21:26
charlie-tcanormally21:26
zylinderdo I have to edit the boot parameters or something to get there?21:27
zylinderhm21:27
charlie-tcaIf it doesn't, you will need to boot to a live cd desktop and run fsck from there21:27
zylindermeh, unfortunately I have very limited resources, as I just moved21:27
charlie-tcayou shouldn't need any parameters. It should be a grub menu entry, and boot right to a menu21:27
charlie-tcacheck the hard drive cable, if you are okay opening the case. Maybe it came loose?21:28
zylinderit's a notebook and I checked the connection21:28
zylindereverything seems fine to me21:28
charlie-tcayeah, that's a different creature than a box21:28
zylinderis there a way to check the drive via fsck while Xubuntu is up and running?21:29
charlie-tcastill, can run the live desktop either from cd or usb21:29
charlie-tcano, because it can't check a mounted partition21:29
zylinderokay, so I have to get my hands on a live cd somehow.21:30
charlie-tcayup21:30
zylinderwhat would fsck tell me though?21:30
charlie-tcaif there is anything wrong with the drive21:30
charlie-tcaIt could have bad sectors or a file messed up on it21:30
* charlie-tca doesn't sound very technical21:31
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zylinderokay21:31
zylinderhow random is "stuff" written on a hard drive?21:32
zylinderI mean, if a system rashes randomly it is likely that it is the RAM (hence the name), correct?21:32
zylindercrashes*21:32
charlie-tcamostly, in Linux, it isn't. It is pretty much in sequence21:33
charlie-tcaram is memory21:33
zylinderyes, I know, but the memory is used randomly isn't it?21:33
charlie-tcahard drive is different, it is the thing where data is stored21:33
charlie-tcayes, but memory erases every time you restart21:34
zylinderthat's what I mean21:34
charlie-tcaThere is also a memory checker in grub and on the cd21:34
charlie-tcayou could run the memory check, but it takes a few hours to run21:34
zylinderso a bad sector on the hard drive could be identified by, its getting technical again, loading studd on the disk, right?21:34
charlie-tcait will tell you if it finds something21:34
zylinderstuff*21:34
charlie-tcaa bad sector would be a spot on the hard drive that is unreliable.21:35
charlie-tcaIf it gets used, you would have intermittent file system errors, which is dropping to busybox.21:35
zylinderbut, in theory, if there is an unreliable sector on my hard drive, shouldn't the system be fine as long as the important files are saved on a "good" sector?21:35
charlie-tcaIf ram goes bad (memory), usually you will have trouble during bios checks or while actually using the system.21:35
charlie-tcaThere is no way to know which file got on the bad spot. If it went bad after you installed, or is very intermittent, then a critical file could be on that spot, and fsck will tell you that.21:36
zylinderokay, okay, fsck it is :)21:37
zylinderjust trying to get around that somehow21:37
charlie-tcaThe memory issue usually shows up after the desktop comes up, when you are trying to do something and it freezes everything.21:37
zylinderas it would mean formatting my backup usb stick and everything :(21:37
charlie-tcagot a cd drive?21:37
zylinderyop21:37
charlie-tcaburn a cd-r instead21:38
zylinderokay, I have to get my hands on one of those first :)21:38
charlie-tcaBut try that recovery menu first. Maybe if you pick it, it will let you go to the menu21:38
zylinderIf I remember correctly and understand the boot sequence correctly, I should be able to bring up GRUB during every boot, right?21:39
zylindermaybe the recovery ption will work fine as long as my system is stable21:39
charlie-tcaright. press any key right after the strange symbols appear in 11.04, or hold right shift at that point for older releases21:40
zylinderstrange symbols?21:40
zylinder:)21:40
charlie-tcayeah, right after the bios checks21:40
zylinderDo you have an illegal hacked version or something :p21:40
charlie-tcaI don't what they really are. A couple of rectangles, maybe?21:40
zylinderoh that's what you mean21:41
zylinderso any key will do...interesting21:41
charlie-tcaI have the menu turned on full time. since I have more than one release on my drives21:41
charlie-tcabut you have to be quick, if you wait more than a second or two, it won't stop21:41
zylinderokay, I will try that right away, thank you. are there any parameters I should use or smth?21:42
zylinderand how long does it take (round about (80gb drive))21:42
charlie-tcano parameters if it is in the menu, should take about 5 minutes21:54
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zylindercharlie-tca, thank you, take care22:03
charlie-tcaYou are welcome22:05
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elektronischdoes xorg, or whatever the X server is these days, support a function similar to windows 7 snap windows?23:27
ochosielektronisch: that kind of functionality is in the window-manager23:28
ochosiin xubuntu's case it's xfwm423:28
ochosiat the moment it doesn't support that feature, but it's planned and half-implemented in git, so it might land in the next version23:28
elektronischah, yeah i forgot.  its been years since i've used linux :/  i'll keep my eyes out for the upcoming feature23:29
ochosiyou can also use compiz with xubuntu, compiz has that feature afaik23:30
wolfy_sudo apt-get install compiz23:32
wolfy_?23:32

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